All Aboard the Seminole Hype Train
If somehow you haven’t noticed yet, there is something a brewin’ down in Tallahassee. And if you haven’t noticed yet, just know that apparently everyone else has – so here’s your notice. If there’s one thing people love, it’s attention… right? Who doesn’t love some good recognition or acknowledgement every now and then to let you know you’re doing things right? But that is not what’s going on here. It is fair to say that there is a full on cargo train of hype heading straight through the Florida State campus right now, and the passengers are full of national and local media, along with Seminole faithful. But is this a good thing for the newly transitioned program? See my discussion after the jump.
If you haven’t been following closely, several preseason polls/rankings and season previews have already been released, with nearly all of them having Florida State ranked. Now it’s fair to say that the Seminoles deserve to and/or have the potential to justify being ranked. But many of the polls also have the Noles ranked in the top-20 and some even in the top-15 in the nation. For a few examples, take the following polls:
SportingNews – FSU 14
CBS Sports – FSU 16
ESPN Mark Schlabach – FSU 16
To take the hype example even further, as reported in a recent Fanpost, Tim Brando (regardless of whether he did so because Jimbo was going to be a guest on his show) picked Florida State to play Alabama in the National Championship game. If you think you read that wrong, you didn’t and you’re not alone.
So it is fair to say that based on the pre-season rankings/previews and media opinions that a program which just went 7-6 last season (and three of the last four seasons), had a massive coaching overhaul (we all know it’s for the better but regardless) and hasn’t won an ACC championship since 2005 (a season in which the Noles went 8-5) is being hyped like it’s no one’s business. But is this a good or bad thing for FSU? Well, there are a couple of good arguments that I’ve heard for both sides.
First is the argument that all of this hype is a good thing. This massive amount of attention is a clear indication that the program is headed in the right direction and the fact that the media realizes that is a wonderful thing. The media is the vehicle by which many people form their opinions and get their knowledge and the fact that it has recognized the Noles as "back" or at least close is nothing but good news. This is visibly noticeable by the fact that Florida State was seventh in the nation in Spring Game attendance. Also, take into account booster numbers; according to Chantrant.com, "Last year on January 25th we had about 1,100 of our 13,000-plus members renewed. And as of January 25th this year we had 2,100. That's an 80 percent increase." In recruiting, this positive publicity can only lead to positive benefits , since recruits that may not have considered FSU now might do so since seeing the good things going on; and recruits that were considering FSU in the first place want to be part of what’s going on - tipping their commitment in FSU's favor. Also, another part to this argument is the fact that given the same season, if we start out ranked (vs. unranked), we end the season more highly ranked and therefore are more likely get a better bowl bid (more $$, prestige and puts us closer to being "back"). Also, add in the fact that the hype will only help Ponder’s Heisman campaign and that is just icing on the cake.
The other argument is that all of this hype is nothing but a bad thing. Given that realistic expectations (and Vegas odds) have us winning eight games, a lot of people with high hope for this season from the buildup will be disappointed. This is rather unfair for people to be disappointed at an eight-win season given all of the change this program has gone through, especially defensively where we were ranked 96th in the country in scoring defense and 110th in yards per game against last year and are transitioning into new coaches and zone schemes. Realistic expectations will be ballooned into expectations of an immediate ACC Championship and double-digit wins with all of this hype. Also, traditionally, the Noles have not played well while ranked in recent memory (although hopefully under the new staff this will change), as they are 6-10 in such games since the beginning of the 2006 season. So, this whole big "letdown" resulting from a realistic eight-win season (which wouldn’t be a bad thing by any stretch) could in fact create the opposite effects of those suggested by the previous argument (booster contribution, recruiting, etc.) in the future. So long term, this hype could potentially be negative.
So you have your two sides here and I’m sure there are more arguments to be made for both. So now that the hype train is headed through Tallahassee, are you on board?
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I voted for #2.
Hype is good if it’s hype of the appropriate level IMO.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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as did I
Hype is good if it’s hype of the appropriate level IMO.
I had the same reasoning.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
I figured this would be an interesting poll
It’s pretty interesting to see what everyone thinks of the all this attention from the media. I know some honestly love it, but I think a lot of people feel like it’s a bit premature. Some people hate it altogether apparently. Very interesting. I’d like to get to 100 results so we could have some even percentages and a good sample size.
If you're playing for the NC
Otherwise, just win your conference and go to the bowl game. We’re not a team that will be in position for an at-large BCS bid.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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I think that depends on what our competition does.
IF Miami somehow makes it to our game unbeaten, we have the potential to play 3 teams that will be ranked in the top 5 when we meet them. We somehow upset any of those 3, count a loss to either UNC, Clemson, or BC, and we could be a highly ranked 3 loss team, like LSU or VT last year at the end of regular season.
Clarification: I do realize that a three loss FSU is not getting an at large bid. Just saying that where we are ranked prior to playing those potentially top 5 teams will largely affect where we’re ranked after we lose/win.
no doubt it affects your ranking
but our only shot of getting a BCS bowl is to win the ACC pretty much, or to go 11-2
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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The Hype is good
The danger is if the players start believing it. The coaches have to keep the players grounded and focused solely on the next game.
very good poll
I don’t want to be a cool-aide drinker, but the hype that is starting to form is making me thirsty
Tallynole07
"Bring back the End Zone spirit spear!"
I posted this on Ongoing Discussion Thread..
may be more appropriate here.
Kenny White – Las Vegas Sports Consultants Just texted him and Bruce Marshall from the same firm on local sports radio here:
"How do you think FSU will come out as dogs at Oklahoma, at Miami, vs. Florida this season?"
Response:
"Mark Stoops’ Arizona defenses always punched above their weight. The season is predicated on how soon they absorb the new defense and upgrade the pash rush. Will rely on young but talented d-backs. For the game at Oklahoma 12 is too high a number. The game at Miami will again go down to the wire, take the underdog Noles. Versus Florida they are plus 7 at home in Ponder and Rodney Hudson’s final games. FSU will be clicking on all cylinders by then, not only on offense, but defense as well. The hiring of Stoops is a HUGE boost, as talented as Florida is look for the Noles to end the 6 year skid."
Don’t mean to get anyone overly excited, but the Chief Operating Officer of the largest oddsmaking firm in the nation is drinking the Kool-Aid.
For future reference — He also said Miami will be in the running for MNChamionship next year…..

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