2011 Recruiting Discussion Thread #6
by DA-2 on Jul 24, 2010 8:38 PM EDT
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Welcome to the recruiting discussion thread. Please refer to the Recruiting Board for information on prospects. We are asking readers comment here instead of the recruiting board so that the recruiting board will load quicker. Feel free to talk recruiting news, rumor, information, etc. Amateurs and experts are all welcome. No question is too simple. Have a projected class? That's fine as well.
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Notes:
- DB Cortez Davis decommits.
- OL Bobby Hart commits to Florida State. 07.16.10.
- 2012 DB PJ Williams commits to Florida State. 07.24.10.
FAQ:
1. Are the five-star Texas RB considering FSU?
Somewhat, but FSU seems to be outside looking in. We know FSU is in their top four both, but we don't buy the hype. Malcom Brown will most likely go to Texas, and Aaron Green will likely join his cousin at Nebraska. New article suggests that both still have FSU in their top four. Credit Coach Eliot for his Texas connections getting FSU's foot in the door. If they decide to officially visit, we will add them to the board.
2. Will FSU take 2 WRs now instead of just Rashad Greene?
This is tricky. FSU is loaded at wide receiver and doesn't need to take another. FSU could have as many as 13 wide receivers in 2011. That's more than optimal and is not a good use of finite resources (85scholarships). However, this answer likely depends on the future of Jarmon Fortson (could go pro early), Taiwan Easterling (baseball, but when?), and Cam Wade (don't see many non-contributing 5th-year seniors on the roster). The coaches will be in the best position to determine this, and we are not going to second guess their move here.
3. What's up w/ Tony Steward?
Steward camped at Clemson over the weekend. Clemson is in desperate need of linebackers because its current crop lacks both quality and numbers. Plus, Steward's idol is Ernie Sims, who was coached by Clemson LB coach Kevin Steele. Steward named Clemson his leader following the camp. Despite this, we are confident in FSU's position with him. Steward is very respectful and has said good things about everyone. Clemson will be an underdog in 5-7 games this season and it would be hard to see them land the top LB prospect in the nation from out of state while finishing with 5 or 6 losses. While we are mindful that Clemson can promise him an immediate starting job playing for Ernie Sims' former coach while FSU cannot (FSU is loaded with linebacker talent), we think FSU is in good position at the present time and that FSU's position will only improve from here. It will really depend on whether the kid prefers immediate playing time or the better program.
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Here is NT&T's Mock Class he posted in the previous Recruiting Thread
NT&T’s Mock Class as of July 24th
This class is really shaping up to be interesting. There are a lot of high-talent players out there, but FSU doesn’t lead clearly for any of them now that Hart is committed. Bolded who I think we close with:
QB Jake Coker
RB Eric Beverly
RB Devonta Freeman
WR Rashad Greene
WR Andre Davis
TE Nick O’Leary
OL Trey Pettis
OL Sterling Lovelady
OL Bobby Hart
OL Damien Williams
DE Giorgio Newberry
DE Ray Drew (yep)
DE Anthony Rabasa
DT Nile Lawrence
DT Derrick Mitchell
LB Terrence Smith
LB Tony Steward
DB Tyler Hunter
DB Lamarcus Brutus
DB Keelin Smith
DB Karlos Williams
DB Kevin Grooms
I am not feeling good about Terry Bell based on what one of the TN guys has recently mentioned, so I’m leaving him off for now. REALLY want him in the class but not feeling optimistic enough to put him on right now.
Optimism may be getting the best of me here, but I’ll put O’Leary, Drew and Steward on there for now. Gonna be a dogfight til the end for all three, but a strong season by FSU could seal it.
Davis is a flyer. Not sure who FSU would take as a second WR, could be someone off the radar right now.
I hope we flip Matulis back but SC is clearly on top for now. That may change as the season progresses but SC’s allure of early PT is going to be tough to beat. If FSU gives Damien Williams the green light to commit, he’ll do it immediately. Could also just as easily be an OL we haven’t heard of yet.
Feel good about Grooms and Newberry. Rabasa shouldn’t be a hard battle to win either.
This is a class prediction of 22, being safe here. If things clearly change with the numbers, I’ll add guys like Brissett and maybe another OL.
Previously discussed, typo was supposed to be OL Darrell Williams not Damien.
I figure this would be as good a place to start as any for the new thread.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
If Andre Davis is in this class I will throw a fit
Kid is not FSU caliber. Why do we need a second WR?
Highly highly doubt Grooms.
I’d add Ruben Carter from Miami Central instead of Darrell Williams.
Lynch instead of Rabasa (really tough call there though). I’d put Terry Bell in too.
Scratching my head on Davis also.
Why do you doubt Grooms and why are you still putting Bell in despite whatever the other recruiting guys are hearing?
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You need to put Bell on your list
don’t remove someone just b/c some TN guy said something.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
If anyone here on this board knows Lynch...
Remind him that if people like to drink before they turn 21, which I don’t recommend because it’s illegal, but if they do, they shouldn’t go to ND because you will get ARRESTED for it. In Tally, they make you pound that stuff and go home.
Plus, there isn’t a girl within 50 miles of the campus in South Bend that would be any better than a 5 in Tally.
Lynch needs no convincing.
His mom…
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 24, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully Lynch's mom pushes him to stay close to home
…I doubt that though. I’m pretty sure that she wants her son to go to Notre Dame.
She is a regular on one of the ND message boards.
Talking about how excited she is to get up to ND in late July/early August.
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
that is ridiculous
If he commits to us I might just go over there and rub that in her face… I hate it when parents decide where their kid is going before he even decides.
by freshcollegeboy on Jul 25, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea if she's making him or not.
But she clearly is all ND at the present.
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I know this is a preposterous thought, but perhaps that works in our favor sometimes.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
Can we land 3 of Drew, Rasco, Newberry and Lynch?
Does a 10 win season (ACC CG + Bowl) make that possible?
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
I think we get Newberry and Drew
not sure who else but would be happy with those 2
I think we land either Lynch or Newberry not both. Unless one of them agrees to switch to OT
But like FSU1510 said, if we get Newberry and Drew we really can’t complain much. Although a lot of things would still have to fall our way to land Drew (Though more of those things are happening). I’d personally like to get more info on our chances with Rasco
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 25, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would we only get both Lynch and Newberry if one was as an OT?
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
And would that mean we only want to sign one SDE?
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
I don't think it's a matter of that
It more so an issue of these kids having options. They certainly can play SDE at a school other than FSU. We signed Werner and Cummings last cycle. So if both Newberry and Lynch came aboard that would mean we’d have four freshmen or sophomore SDE’s by 2011 all around the 275-280 lbs range. I think Cummings might be the only one who could/would slide inside on occasion at the 3-tech. But I’d have to believe Lynch or Newberry might see those numbers and look elswhere. JMHO though
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 25, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think FSU wants either to switch (Though UF was evidentally pitching OT to Newberry)
A lot of people feel like both have greater upside as an OT. Lynch is projected to get a big as 290 pounds. It might be a moot point considering more and more people think Newberry is a nole and that we’ll finish 2nd to ND for Lynch
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 25, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither Lynch or Newberry would need to switch if both committed
Rasco is a long long shot right now. We are far behind LSU and Texas.
A lot of people don't think Texas is really in the running anymore.
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Gridiron Kings MVPs
Offense: Nick O’Leary
Defense: Karlos Williams
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
I really like Newberrry as a prospect, but...
Does it make anyone else nervous that he seems to have small knee and ankle joints (at least it appears so from the pictures I have seen of him)? I worry about that for a defensive end. I don’t think there is any way possible he could play OL with lower legs that spindly, either.
I prefer Lynch to Newberry at SDE
but I’d be happy with either. Newberry now will be very different from Newberry after just a brief time in Vic’s S&C program.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
That pic just confirms we have no chance at all......
by Noletorious on Jul 25, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure if you're being serious
but it’s James Wilder, Jr.
(at least I think it is)
Almost feel like another flip flopping Gate took a very similar picture
but on a serious note, is this kind of thing typical?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Yes. This has been one of Florida’s emotional pulls from day one of Meyer’s tenure. Get a pic and make it the kid’s background on his phone, and now you’ve got his future envisioned before him at all hours of the day.
Art Modell gives me a hard one
Why is this kind of thing allowed
But prospects names cannot be displayed on the scoreboard or said over the loudspeaker in the stadium?
by Nole Holds Barred on Jul 27, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
On his visit
there are other pics where he doesnt have as big of smile, I like to take this as a positive and not bring up matt elam
No mention of Arrington Jenkins?
The kid intrigues me. Would love to know more.
What are we recruiting him as?
He could be a LB or DE if I read correctly
A couple notes from some Jimbo Fisher camp participants I know.
Jimbo Fisher is the coolest college head coach that the players have met (they have visited LSU, UGA, Ole Miss, Miss St., Southern Miss, ULL, ULM, & LaTech). He was very personable. One of the recruits’ brother participated in the Nick Saban camp at LSU when we were in high school. He spoke with Jimbo a little, and said they seem nothing alike personality-wise. He said Jimbo was in the building greeting, talking, and joking around with all the participants when they arrived; whereas, Saban was only interacting with the big name guys at the LSU camp.
Lots of class of 2012 players there. Coaches were really high on a senior RB from Georgia. They also seemed to like 2 or 3 WRs a lot too (not sure what year the WRs were, but think they all were 2012). A couple nice safeties too.
The pace of the drills were insane. Freshmen better come in in shape or you’ll get left in the dust.
James Wilder Jr. was there but didn’t participate. He seemed to enjoy his visit.
I wanted to get more detailed info, but these guys aren’t exactly “talkers,” and I didn’t want to push too much. I’m sure most of this is already known at this point. Sorry I couldn’t get the info sooner. Schedule is absurd.
It's official. I've got a man crush on Jimbo.
Seriously though, could we have landed a better guy for the job?
I refuse to let myself get caught up in the storm... but check this out
Big County Preps seems to be indicating that JWJ (Wilder) is going to commit to FSU. We’ll see if (A) it happens, and (B) it sticks.
I still think he’s a goater, but this makes it interesting…
They were saying last week that they expected him to break the announcement through them.
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
It's the SoFlaFootball of the Tampa Bay area.
I think it’s relatively reliable.
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
I think I might have to take a break from the internet until all of this is decided,
I cannot handle this excitement
"FEAR is just the Opening ACT!!!" Coach Coley
Oh and I totally understand why people are not buying into the rumors and that Wilder will end up at UF, but I have no clue why people are comparing this to Elam
"FEAR is just the Opening ACT!!!" Coach Coley
I don't understand that either.
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
I think the reactions from our fanbase are Matt Elam Part two
nothing to do with the two kids personalities.
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jul 27, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
JWJ
So with Wilder being the 3rd RB in our class (If he commits), do you think Freeman would RS since we already have crazy depth at the position? Because if he indeeds commits I dont see him Red Shirting
Beverly.
He’s hurt so it makes the most sense for him to RS.
Beverly
I’ve heard that he’s supposed to grey shirt
"Supposed to"?
I’ve heard speculation but no definitive answer. If we have room to take him in 2011, we will not ask him to greyshirt.
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
I think I started that
And it was intended as a question rather than assumption.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st downs against the run. And pass. And 2nd down. And 3rd down. Ok, dammit, whenever our D is on the field.
JWJ
As much as I would love to hear about him “commit” to us, we must not get ahead of ourselves as nothing is set in stone until the actual nsd, so as far as all of these commits I try not to look that much into it, since nothing is actually set in stone. If a player “commits” to a school and still takes visits I dont really see that as a full “commit” even though as previously stated in a past post that its almost like a vacation, I still dont trust anything until NSD
I wouldn't expect Wilder to flip no matter who he picks.
And especially if he picks UF.
by nolesblogger on Jul 26, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
When there is a post about new recruiting news can we say what our source is?
Obviously the very few real insiders who must remain anonymous should remain that way. But I think that all the fluff in comments predicated by the phrases “I’ve been hearing things” and “some say” detract from this board. TN is the only FSU sports website I read, but lately it seems to be weighted down (even more) in posts by self-proclaimed recruiting experts who gain knowledge by reading posts by other other self-proclaimed recruiting experts on other forums. All these people are doing is relaying bad information that started from a gut feeling or mere homerism. We love to rag on other forums and the Bleacher Report, etc, but other sites are gaining their fodder to rag on us with our baseless posts.
In saying all that, I don’t want recruiting discussion to stop. I just want it to contain more substantiative posts and not just hundreds of gut feeling-type posts that build a circus around certain players recruitment, ala James Wilder’s. Even if a source is Warchant’s free board, then sobeit. If you feel bad about saying that’s your source then maybe you shouldn’t post the comment, but if you deem it worthy of a repost here then just state the source with it.
This is much like MattD’s idea of limiting speaking in absolutes.
Sorry for the dissertation. Thoughts?
by NOLEinTX on Jul 26, 2010 6:08 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
Too much speculation out there…I want some facts….lol
95% of recruiting information is speculation.
I still agree, but it comes with the territory.
by nolesblogger on Jul 26, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
95% of recruiting information on this board coming from people NOT in the know..
Comes from tharinger. So that’s a way for you to close the loop, personally.
Info is just as likely to flow to tharinger from here. It’s a good gathering place for recruitniks to share notes.
Anyway, you think guys like Bud get 95% of their info from there? No chance.
Please read subject line again.
Referencing “information…coming from people NOT in the know” coming from tharinger’s boards.
There is no such thing as facts
when it comes to recruiting, until a player has signed an LOI, got through Clearing House and is playing is a game for that university.
Recruits and their family are rarely on the same page, and often still can “appease the crowd” by wearing gear, say one school is great and not mention a personal favorite, get mis-quoted constantly from even “reputable” news. And some times change their minds on a whim.
Everything you hear or read about in forums, news paper, Rivals, Scout, ESPN, is to be taken with a grain of salt.
Asking for sources for every rumor is not going to get you anywhere.
Half this stuff comes from homer coaches who met with the athlete, chat rooms that are never posted, or phone calls and lunch meets (often airplane trips) with important boosters.
That is one of the reasons that recruiting is so fun/aggravating.
There is absolutely, positively no certainties until they (the students) are enrolled and on the field.
We all know that what goes on in a teenager's head is very unpredictable at times,
and that trying to state, in absolutes, where a recruit is leaning is tough to do correctly much of the time. But what is wrong with stating that a rumor is from a specific source? We only fuel the recruiting chaos by allowing everyone else to do it and TN becomes just another unreliable source of information. Why not keep this site a little different by trying to keep information a bit more trustworthy?
I was drawn to TN for the sake of insightful articles and posters who were far more intelligent than me and seemed to know what the heck was going on. TN has risen to the top of the FSU athletics websites, but that has also been its detriment with how things have inevitably changed over time. I don’t mean to be the old man in the yard with a rake grumbling about the out-of-towners changing everything, but for everyone’s sake I’d like to keep it reputable.
There is nothing wrong with it
it just seems like an exercise in frustration.
I believe you may be correct in that if we did that, then half the rumors would all trace back to the same vague post by Mr Anonymous and the other half is a “a friend”.
But the problem (or fun part) about recruiting is this is the one aspect an ‘expert’ is in the dark as much as everyone else. And it turns out that the few people who might know whats really going on with Recruit X are the Mr Anonymouses. There is nothing reputable in recruiting.
Don’t think Im telling you your wrong on anything you said. I’m just saying it will never be that way because it only takes one person posting a “Recruit Y is all over School Z” and it starts all over again.
I'd like to think of it as a team effort at times myself
No one really KNOWS what these kids are gonna do. But sharing information with a community of REASONABLE people will eventually lead to most of us being able to “read the tea leaves” so to speak and have a reasonable idea of how things will play out. Now there are some drawbacks in that of course, but it is only natural.
I as much as anyone can be guilty of perhaps speaking a bit too agressively in these threads in regards to recruiting issues. I don’t apologize for it though based upon the fact that for the last six or seven years I’ve seen how the industry of recruiting has evolved and become it’s own entity. And due to that,CFB recruiting has become one of my true sports passions. TN has taught me a whole lot about the process and has allowed me to indulge in that passion a lot more. So as long as the purported “Sources” and this guy who is the “distant cousin of the grandmothers best friends nephews teammate of five star recruit x”. Things will remain fine. I do notice how TN has a way of weeding out certain kinds of posters though
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 26, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree to a certain extent.
After you’ve subscribed to one of those sites for a while, you get used to who gives good info and who doesn’t. It’s not all taken with a grain of salt.
Like I said earlier, some of the info is usually dead on, but not till late in the process. No way to verify the flip-flopping along the way.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
I'm no recruiting expert
But I post stuff because
A) I live in the Palm Beach Area.
2) Friends with Nick O’Leary
D) Also know the other Dwyer players
So pretty much I just know a school or so here.
Chris Volstad Nuff Said
He is pretty big in person
Fishes
Hunts
Parties
Freakishly athletic (was considering playing Baseball last year instead of Lacrosse)
Could be dating a better looking girl.
Last year when Meyer had his “I’m retiring” episode pretty much crossed them off then.
Chris Volstad Nuff Said
I can’t verify those things are true, of course, but I’ll hold your posts about that area of recruiting in higher regard than, for instance, RUNFROMMYSPEAR69’s post about Jadaveon Clowney’s newfound interest in FSU because he heard a couple of (vague) things.
by NOLEinTX on Jul 26, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Clowley will be a Gamecock
Talking with another SCe commit yesterday (Deon Green) said Clowley is on board the Spurrier train, told me Newberry will be a Nole. He also said that he was buddies with Bobby Hart and said that the only lineman who could stop his rush was Hart. He competed against him at Under Armor camp in Texas and said the kid is the best he played against. Said Bobby Hart stood him up and he couldn’t get around him.
Clowney is definitely a gamecock.
No point even discussing Clowney. It’s over for us (and for Bama or anyone else with Clowney dillusions).
I'm confused
Green said Hart was the only one who could stop Clowney’s rush or the only one who could stop his own (Green’s) rush?
by nolesblogger on Jul 27, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Deon Green
Said of all the camps he went to the only one who could stop his own bull rush was Bobby Hart.
Can somone please explain why Wilder will be a gator?
Everyone says he will be a gator and dont get your hopes up but Y? Give me proof or something and not just “he’ll be a gator”
Because Wilder told UF's staff he'd be a gator
Silent commit and has evidentally been for months. UF commits are encouraged to stay silent until they take all their visits. Look at what happened with Reid and Dorsey for example of what happens otherwise. Meyer has a fit
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 27, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
They want silent commits as to save face?
by Caveman Mafia on Jul 27, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure about reasons
but as others have mentioned in previous recruiting threads (I believe) coaches (incl. at FSU) ask some players to not go public with a commit and then just space out the public declarations to create momentum.
As for the saving face speculation, it is possible, seeing as how they lost a silent commit from this class already in RB Mike Bellamy (to Clemson).
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
I don't really take it as a face saving measure (But thats just me)
Meyer just doesn’t like publicy commited players to take visits. He wants them to take all their visits before committing publically (If they plan on taking visits. He usually gives birth to a child if a commited player takes visits (See: Reid,Greg; Dorsey, Demar), though Pagan took a visit after committing. But Pagan’s an OOS kid who could just as well say ‘screw y’all’ and go to somewhere like Clemson if UM gives him shit about it. So Meyer can’t follow the Texas model per se, but thats probably the reason kids like Wilder, Benjamin, Waisome, and others have not publically declared for UF. All of them have or plan to take visits. Remember: The lizards have about 8 or 9 silents presently
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 27, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
how do we know a number?
if they are silent?
Discussed it weeks ago with a Gator mod who's info I personally trust
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 27, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
For what it's worth
That same individual still believes Wilder Jr. is headed to UF but has more doubts now than ever before
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 28, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
How high could our 2011 class be ranked??
by TheMarchingChief on Jul 27, 2010 2:29 PM EDT reply actions
I'm positing a hypothetical situation here...
in which we land most/all our top targets in the ESPN150…(Drew, Steward, O’Leary, Wilder, Waisome, Newberry)
That’s 6 ESPN150 in addition the the 6 we already have = 12/20 ESPN 4 or 5 stars
We are already ranked 6th at this point and I believe players like Karlos Williams and Bobby Hart will continue to get better evals (possibly 5-stars).
Just saying….would all this even be enough to take over the #1 spot???
by TheMarchingChief on Jul 27, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Even in that dream scenario...
We’d be top 5, but Texas is just nasty with their class. couple others too.
See that's what I'm not too sure of...
Texas (9 of 22 are ESPN150) and the rest of the top 5 look stacked RIGHT NOW……
But looking at percentage of ESPN150 out of total commits (lets say max = 25), the top 5 looks like this:
1. Florida (6/10 = 60%) 31 more ESPN150 considering for 15 more spots= = 21 total
2. FSU (6/14 = 43%) 23 more ESPN150 considering for 11 more spots = 16 total
3. Texas (9/22 = 41%) 5 more ESPN150 considering for 3 more spots = 11 total
4. Georgia (5/13 = 38%) 19 more ESPN150 considering for 12 more spots = 12 total
5. LSU (4/11 = 36%) 19 more ESPN150 considering for 14 more spots = 11 total
It seems to me that Texas’ early recruiting limits their future growth and probably loses them the #1 spot as classes fill up.
As you can see…in terms of the ESPN150, we are ROUGHLY ON PACE to top everyone except for the Gators, who once again will almost certainly blow everyone out of the water.
The wild cards here are the uncommitted 5-star players (top 10). They add star power to a class and boost the overall ranking regardless of class size. And as of right now, FSU and UF are only schools seriously in the running for 3 of the top 10 (Drew, Wilder, and Steward).
by TheMarchingChief on Jul 27, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The mistake is in the method.
Going off the ESPN 150, and then using their worthless “Considering” feature. They still have us in it for Clowney and Jernigan, which is absurd.
Don’t forget a lot of schools are still early on in their assembling their classes. Texas isn’t one of them, but you can bet good money Texas will finish ahead of us.
Oh no I fully realize the "considering" tag is bogus...
I just used it to show that Texas’ class is extremely full, and even if they got EVERYONE who is “considering” them (which no school does), they’d only pull in 12 ESPN150.
Contrast that with a UF or FSU who have nearly as many quality players already, yet still half the class to fill…
In short, the numbers mean nothing except to prove a point about Texas’ perceived strength (Top 5 no doubt, but will not finish #1)
by TheMarchingChief on Jul 27, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Scout has us at #13 right now.
In a dream scenario we land 5 more of those espn 150s. But Terry Bell isn’t a 150 and he’s one of my favorite targets right now.
Texas, Alabama, UF are all going to finish with higher ranked classes. Probably some others too, but I honestly don’t know everybody else’s classes.
top class easily last year.
and top dl haul that I have ever seen. It makes me cry at night to think about.
Karlos Williams commitment question
HERE is an interview with Karlos a few days ago at the Gridiron Kings. He says he plans on taking visits to other schools. 1. Is he just playing the recruiting game here? 2. How likely is it that he de-commits?
Thanks
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
Karlos is the most solid commit we have
he recruits everyone he can for us
Let the kid eat some free steak...
He’s not going anywhere.
by Dark Stranger on Jul 27, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that what the youngin's call taggin' ho's these days?
I want me some steak.
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by tricknole on Jul 27, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Great post,
that provides absolutely nothing to the content of this discussion.
I had my wife read these 4 posts and she laughed her ass off too. I will now be having a steak discussion with her on a daily basis.
Vince took an LSU visit
no big deal.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 27, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Anthony Chickillo
Why havent i heard his name on here? He is a 4 star on most sites and even a 5 star on one. Do we have a shot?
by nolesandniners on Jul 27, 2010 11:25 PM EDT reply actions
Miami lock is what I keep hearing
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 27, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Ruben Carter
Wat about this kid been hearing he is gonna be real good with the right coaching
by nolesandniners on Jul 28, 2010 12:07 AM EDT reply actions
Do people think he is a Cane because
of the movie with Denzel Washington about Rubin “Hurricane” Carter?
by Nole Holds Barred on Jul 28, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
He was at the Jimbo Fisher Football Camp this past week.
Probably will end up at O-line and I don’t think he’s a Cane lock.
"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi
Well we offered him as an OL.
He worked out for Trickett and not at DL while at the camp (according to the brief write up on WC I saw about him/his offer).
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I tried to find film on Youtube but all I saw was the boxer.
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That's a different Ruben Carter
There also was a Ruben Carter who played DL for the Canes back in the 70s
Reuben Carter
Luke Stampini at South Florida Football reports that Reuben wants to be a Nole! Are they using Hoe stesses upthere or what? Wilder. Steward, Carter????
How will this season impact recruiting?
I have to assume if we get off to a strong start and can maintain it, our recruiting will skyrocket. We’ve got some of the best recruiters in the country on our staff now. You have to assume a lot of kids denied FSU over our lack of success during the past few seasons. The hype alone that we might have turned things around brought us Joyner and Luc. Imagine what will happen when the proof shows up.
I think people will disagree
the effect that our season will have on recruiting. In general, however, I would say that a good season can’t hurt our 2011 recruiting class. That said, every prospect is unique. For some prospects, e.g., FSU was their childhood favorite and it’s always been their dream to play for FSU; or they’re an FSU legacy; etc. If these kids get an offer, they’re committing. For others kids, FSU may not have been their childhood favorite but after they visit FSU they decide to commit. Others may have no initial preference and decide only after visting FSU and other schools and considering the 2010 season. Every kid is different.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
Obviously it won't happen within one season.
But look at UF. Look at Alabama. Success on the field breeds success off the field (and vice versa).
Our staff our relationship guys
JMHO. I see our staff as more relationship guys then hard sellers. it takes longer to build relationships but once you have them it easier to hold on to those commits. Fisher said during his chicken dinner tour that if he can get a kid on campus three times he really likes his chances to get a commitment. Everything you read about Fisher and the staff it’s about relationships. We could be under estimated how good these guys could do this year.
FSU football is the new case study for the outliners phenomon
Front Page of WC
has an article about Mario Edwards son as a 2012 recruit out of Texas. I feel really old.
Aren't you like 65?
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Oh man...me too.
I loved me some super Mario Edwards.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
This blog is predicting Wilder to FSU
Anyone know how credible they are??
by FtLauderdaleNole on Jul 28, 2010 11:58 AM EDT reply actions
At this point apparently no one really knows anything
Per Tharinger Wilder isn’t even speaking to his coach and no one has been able to get ahold of him. So yeah, something is up unless this is one BIG leg yanking
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 28, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
This is all himming and hawing.
It’s hard not to get all wrapped up in this, but imo Tuffgong’s prediction above is just as accurate as this bleach report prediction.
My source is far better.
I flipped a coin. It landed on it’s edge, which means he’s obviously headed to UCF
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
You know, Ive actually done that.
I know, I am extremely cool.
Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole
I am sure Posada and Ely will get UF offers in order to try and get Wilder
right now I think he will actually come to FSU but I am waiting to get excited till HE says it
H-Back
There was a lot of discussion about this last year, especially concerning the recruitment of Debrale. Bud wrote a great article (linked below) and my question is who currently on the recruiting board fits this role in Jimbo’s offense? O’Leary maybe?
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/8/7/979927/what-is-an-h-back-how-will-florida
Steward is on campus and is enjoying his visit right now
from Justin Hopkins twitter
"FEAR is just the Opening ACT!!!" Coach Coley
If you were hoping we would
wait to see how Lane plays and then turn up the heat all hope of that appears lost. Kid will be sitting out the majority of the upcoming football season.
Precautionary or is his knee still that bad?
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That I am not sure about
His dad is making him sit out so it may be the kind of thing he could play through but probably shouldn’t play through. According to Shaking the Southland’s article his dad wanted him to sit the entire year. As a parent his dad gets a thumbs up from me for putting his kid’s long term health above one year of ball
by osceolafan2.0 on Jul 28, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That would give him close to the two years everyone says you need after ACL surgery
Good call dad!
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 28, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't get the memo after my first knee surgery....
really wish everyone had told me that
by Caveman Mafia on Jul 28, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally agree when he's already got a scholarship to a good football/academic school.
If he were still hoping on an offer that becomes a much tougher decision.
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Good info
I’d been asking around a bit to see if how he was progressing. I’d asked here two months ago in a thread had anyone even seen Lane cut yet and Bud flatly said “no”. I didn’t know if it was full tear, a partial, or an isolated tear like Robert Griffin’s from Baylor.
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 28, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Local businesses showing support for FSU recruiting
Team Gold - Winner of the 1st TN FSU Spring Football Fantasy Draft
by basaltrock on Jul 28, 2010 6:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That on N Monroe by the "mall"?
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by basbalstr101 on Jul 29, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Rashad Greene is playing on ESPNU
Champion Gridiron Kings 7 on 7 in Orlando. He’s had a couple of nice catches so far.
I love Karlos more every time I see him play
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 28, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Williams looked huge on the field
No way he was playing at his listed weight of 210. I really wouldn’t be suprised to see him at LB.
Karlos was a monster!!!!
When he was running down the sideline I was like damnnnnn!!! Kid was ginormous!
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Jul 28, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He's more like 220...
and looked as fast as War Admiral on that 99 yard pick 6.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
Yeah, he was monstrous
If he can cover like a safety and hit like a LB, we might have something special. His speed was unreal for someone that size.
What's the deal
with ESPN not listing FSU as one of O’Leary’s choices?
UF, UM, Tennessee
plus I think UGA and another I can’t remember.
They mentioned this and had the list on screen while they were interviewing him as Offensive MVP. Was on ESPNU in the 8-9 slot.
Doesn't change the fact that FSU is one of his leaders
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 29, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I said the same thing......
But later saw that FSU was listed during the show..
FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
Glen Stanley
How realistic is USF for him? I would assume FSU wants him at DE, but he played LB at USC…not sure where they’d need him at USF, but they definitely know how to build NFL-ready ends in Tampa. I’d hate to lose him to the Bulls after all this.
We need a dominant pass rusher. Badly.
pfft
Jason Pierre-Paul played one year there. I think he was plenty developed before he got there.
And George Selvie regressed from being considered a 1st round draft pick and AA to a 7th round pick.
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Jul 29, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Injuries got to Selvie
From what I have read USF is a fall back for Stanley, but considering his situation it isn’t a bad fall back.
by osceolafan2.0 on Jul 29, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The only thing USF can do with DE's is accept those that can't get into FSU.
There is objectively no comparison between what USF and FSU offer.
USF is a good place for guys who can't qualify at a Big 3 Florida school
It’s probably why they always have the best skill guys in the Big East.
WVU?
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Shurbs is saying Terry Bell favors Auburn and FSU right now
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 29, 2010 8:33 PM EDT reply actions
Not to sound selfish but
I am really hoping for a big commit that starts a chain reaction for another top targets like a Wilder or Steward
Not going to happen
Most of the top targets for FSU are announcing after their football seasons are over. This class also doesn’t have enough spaces left to go on a string of commits this early IMO. They’ll continue to come in one (maybe two) at a time.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 29, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
second
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 29, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Thirded
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Really?
I am surprised at this.
Obviously he takes that position to a whole different level… but I don’t think you can afford to stray from the QB/LT/DT/DE quadrangle for a question like this. As NFL salaries suggest — the value at those positions is paramount — i.e., an “8” at those positions could be more important than a “10” at others.
Aaron Hernandez went a long ways towards convincing me the power of a dominant TE in college (next to Tebow and Harvin, he gave us the most trouble), but I did not think O’Leary had the same level of (chemically-induced) explosiveness.
I won’t complain if we get him, though, by any means. Would be very exciting to see what Jimbo could engineer to feature a premier talent at HB/TE.
Rules don't let you pick the DE
We already have our QB and big OL target and O’leary is more of a game changer than any DT we have left on the board. Easy choice once Drew, Steward and Wilder were removed.
by osceolafan2.0 on Jul 29, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It took me a while to figure out what rules you were talking about.
But now I see that I am illiterate, and failed to read the parenthetical.
If Drew, Wilder, and Steward aren’t options… then I’m on board with O’Leary.. or Bell, if he’s as good a DT as everyone says he is.
I was listening to the Solid Verbal the other week and they had Chris Brown on from SmartFootball.com. The question was asked, “What is the most important player outside of the QB for the spread system”. His answer was the TE. At first I wasn’t convinced but Brown noted TE’s now are much more athletic and can not only be used as in-line blockers, but also ball carriers and go to receivers. He sighted Hernandez and Gresham as solid examples. I also think these are the players that make the spread more viable in the pros. I’m very interested to see what Jimbo does with an all-around TE like those mentioned above as we run more of a pro spread.
The point being that while the positions mentioned are still likely more important the TE is gaining on them.
by evenflow58 on Aug 1, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cannot agree with this. Love that kid (No homo), but we NEED a DE more than TE.
by Dark Stranger on Jul 29, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
says besides Drew
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 29, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough, but I'm illiterate.
Also, since we don’t know what Drew will do, I’d still have to say Lynch over O’Leary only because our need at DE is so strong.
I do think O’Leary would revolutionize the position of TE/Hback for us. He’s a franchise player.
by Dark Stranger on Jul 30, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, gotcha. I am also illiterate
Thought you were arguing for Drew.
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beverly
Kind of off topic but does fsu play any role in beverly’s treatment? Suggesting a surgeon, monitoring his rehab, etc
Not sure. Excellent question.
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I am sure we could recommend a surgeon, but I doubt we can do much more than that for a player that has not signed a letter of intent.
It is an interesting question though. It would be nice to learn that the NCAA allows something more to be done on his behalf.
100% sure we cannot pay for anything.
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I hope the NCAA would allow the schools to play a role in this as it could play a vital role in the athletes future. I know from personal experience and treating many patients recovering from these injuries that every little thing counts. Theres a big difference in recovering to a point of living an active lifestyle and being a high level collegiate athlete
No doubt. But imagine the pandora's box it would open.
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Waisome, Wilder Jr., Drew & Steward will all be Noles?
I hope!!!
Waisome – Idk which way he is leaning atm. Any new news?
Wilder Jr. – At one time I thought Gate lock but I am liking our chances now.
Drew – Coin flip between UGA, Bama & FSU
Steward – I feel we have the best shot at him
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My best guess
Waisome- Definitely a Gator.
Wilder- Still think on NSD he is a Gator but I am hopeful
Drew- Tough to read. UGA is clearly the team to beat right now, but we have some time to catch up.
Steward- Think he is a Nole in the end.
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by basbalstr101 on Jul 30, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
waisome? No not even a chance. I've never heard anything about FSU and waisome
Wilder, 5% chance. I am very slow to buy the hype
Drew—45% chance. UGA—55%
Steward—60%.
Wilder looks pretty happy as Nole here...
He was also seen doing the chop with his family while in Tally during the Gate FNL.
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so? That isn't exactly a rare thing in recruiting
You wear the jersey for a photo. Standard Operating Procedure. Don’t read into it.
I think we have a better chance at Wilder then many believe because of second trip?
Does anyone know how many times Wilder has been campus. Per my recollection, he’s been on campus at least twice but his second trip was significantly longer then his first trip. Guys don’t hangout at campus multiple times unless they have significant interest in going to school there, IMHO. If he wanted to meet some ladies and he wanted to be a Gator while not go to Gainesville.
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He's reportedly been to UF a lot more.
If we’re guessing outcome based on that metric, UF wins.
There were reasons why he was the supposed lock. Who knows if it has changed, but “lock” reputations don’t come about for no reason.
My guess
Waisome- FU, FSU battle to the end
Wilder- Nole
Drew- 45% UGA 55%
Steward- Nole
SCALP'EM
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In the end I think Waisome will be a Gate, However,
At the beginning he was a gator lock (coming from his brother), but the coaches definitely turned up the heat and forced FSU into his consideration. Amazing job with keeping contact and building a relationship. Being the first year, Jimbo is having to come from behind, but with his recruiting strategy we will be starting on the same level in upcoming years. Its hard for the average fan to see the success of Jimbo and crew, because most are focused on results, but the ability to have FSU named alongside Bama and UF is an accomplishment after 5+ years of underproducing.
"FEAR is just the Opening ACT!!!" Coach Coley
doubtful
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 30, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Waisome interview... FSU mentioned
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/news/story?id=5407154
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Doubtful.
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 30, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Mock Class
QB- Jacob Coker
QB- Jacoby Brisset
RB- JWJ
RB- Devonta Freeman
RB- Beverly
WR- Rashad Greene
TE- Nick O’ Leary
OT- Bobby Hart
OG- Sterling Lovelady
OG- Trey Pettis
OT- Ruben Carter
DE- Ray Drew
DT- NLS
DT-Derrick Mitchell
DT- Terry Bell
DE- Giorgio Newberry
LB- Tony Steward
LB- Terrance Smith
DB- Los
DB- Tyler Hunter
DB- Brutus
DB- Keelin Smith
SCALP'EM
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Ponder for Heisman'10
RIP John Wooden
Take off Brisset and add an offensive lineman and a linebacker, probably.
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 30, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
A lot of people are still hopeful for Brisset
But the basketball thing bothers me from a developmental standpoint. But if we’d take three linebackers, wouldn’t we have tried to snag Shazier?
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 30, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
We didn't know Nigel Carr was going to go on a crime spree
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 30, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Definitely optimistic, but not out of the realm of possibility
I’d say this is a best case scenario group
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 30, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Translation: FSU told Williams to look elsewhere
Coaches must feel pretty good about other guys.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 30, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
You sure?
Just not an abundance of WDE options if Drew doesn’t come to FSU
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 30, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 30, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats good then
I don’t hate RW like most (We can’t thumb our noses at quality pass rushers) but I want Rasco BAD.
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 30, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Not an insider but actually spoke with someone well connected
They claimed that if any team could pull Rasco from LSU it would be FSU. The Auburn rumblings about Rasco are purportedly more so of a smokescreen
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 30, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I could've have prefaced that statement much better
But Rasco became a possibility after the first Fisher camp
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 30, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
A month ago Williams was ready to pull the trigger at this month's camp
Something definitely changed on FSU’s side
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 30, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
More like
“If you want in you have to wait, and we’re not taking your two buddies right now either.”
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 30, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I do think he overestimated his worth to FSU's staff
Two weeks ago I thought we’d take Akins. Now I don’t
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 30, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
lol @ that conversation.
I’ll bet that’s exactly how it went too. Awkward I’m sure.
Drew isn't a lock to go anywhere
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 30, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
or a Dawg fan, or a Tide fan...
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 30, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
from the nole perspective because we were told at one point
that he was a dawg lock. As long as he isn’t a lock, i’m fine with that. That’s all I ask at this point.
The Dawgs are easily the most overrated program in FBS. And I like UGA.
But seriously. Anyone thinking UGA needs to come down to Tallahassee.
NCAA visiting Clemson per Justin Hopkins twitter
Wonder if that will provide any red flags for recruits?
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 30, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions
Buddy says it is just to ask about UNC players
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 30, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
But would it surprise you if there something going on at Clemson?
FSU football is the new case study for the outliners phenomon
Yes
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 30, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Since most of this stuff isn’t institutional I wouldn’t be surprised to hear about any school.
by osceolafan2.0 on Jul 30, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Seven NCAA secondary violations from January to July, nearly half of them involving food.
But that is probably not the reason for the visit.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
IPTAY....
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by Dark Stranger on Jul 31, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How much weight does
The Sporting News recruiting section hold? Read the article in the latest issue and their Top 100 list was much diff than other sites regarding a lot of recruits…
If we aren't recruiting Julio Mora, we should be right now.
Greatest running back recruit of all time.
Cam Erving is on campus and with the team!
Not sure about Jacobs
Rabasa to Notre Dame for now
If FSU misses out on some kids (or UM does) and comes after him full force, should be interesting to see if he sticks.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 30, 2010 5:37 PM EDT reply actions
As an ex-Columbus guy there is a lot of pressure from the brothers to go to ND
When I was there in the late 80’s, UM got our best player but there were so many guys at UM that played at Columbus and it was also so close that it was a done deal. Even then the brothers would try to push guys to at least visit ND. It’s really tough to say no without seeming ungrateful.
FSU football is the new case study for the outliners phenomon
They play different sides (SDE and WDE)
won’t effect Lynch
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 31, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Lynch went with Notre Dame as well.
"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi
Aaron Lynch and Anthony Rabasa both land at Notre Dame
Update the board. Kind of sad we missed on both of them.
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It's the last day of July, no one has signed a LOI yet
If FSU misses on some other kids, the heat on Rabasa and Lynch would be turned up.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 31, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That sort of implies
Lynch was a fall back plan. I fully saw Rabasa as such, but not Lynch. I saw him as one they were actively going after, and would accept if he wanted to come, on the spot.
I understand it is way early in the process and many things will change between now and NSD. Just wanted some more clarity from you on Lynch.
Now I get to listen to my ND friend all weekend about how they pulled not 1 but 2 Florida kids away…I tried to explain this to him Wednesday that Lynch was a long shot for FSU since his mom was actively working the ND message boards. Just didn’t want to hear it.
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I'm not implying that Lynch was a backup plan by any means, he was a top target
I’m saying that if FSU misses on other kids, you can bet the coaches stay on Lynch and turn the screws even tighter. He’s someone who gives you hope to flip, because he legitimately loved his FSU visit. The biggest task there would be to convince his mother that FSU is the right fit.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 31, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's a really important thing to consider in modern recruiting
Even when a kid gives a verbal, more often than not his recruitment is not over.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 31, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand
I just wanted to know exactly where you were coming from since your opinion is generally spot on with mine. Hopefully we manage to sway some other top targets or persuade Lynch back to us.
Thank you.
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Good news ThruandThru
especially about Lynch. Would love to see us still have a shot at him.
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I wonder if that is why herban liar prefers recruits to take their official visits before committing.
Uh oh, smells like last year's DE situation in the making.
Gonna be a battle to get even one of these guys. Who are the second tier prospects targeted…just in case?
probably drew, rasco,
i don’t know if they’re still recruiting Ricardo Williams anymore
by fsufrenzy911 on Jul 31, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
and nnewberry as well
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The staff must feel really good
about their chances with our remaining targets (Drew, Newberry, Rasco). I’ve thought all along we’d only get two DE’s and that we’d either get Newberry or Lynch (not both). I’d be fine with any combo of Newberry and any of the WDE targets (Folks hate RW but need to realize how devoid of pass rushing we truly are). I personally hope we find a way to land Rasco since Drew still seems like a longshot ATM. NSD being a long ways off though
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 31, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions
We signed a top 10 class after three 7-6 seasons in four years, with only half the staff recruiting, and a large staff turnover.
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It's still July. And besides, I never anticipated us taking more than two DE's anyway
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 31, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Drew, Newberry, Rasco.
I think Lynch, Rabasa and Williams are still in play.
Big DE targets like Cummings and Werner? We missed on Lemonier. Barnes flipped to Clemson. I don’t think anyone else was a legitimate possibility.
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what about ego
He loved us untill his mother wanted him to leave home.Was he a dend or dt?
I agree with xnolex, feels like last year regarding DE.
Huge position of need, depth thin, and it’s been tough to recruit. It’s early but still worried.
Seemingly top 2 with Drew, Newberry, Rasco, Lynch, Rabasa and Williams.
Still 6 months until signing day.
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I don't remember him being incredibly high on us throughout the process.
Imo, it was more wishful thinking on some FSU fans’ parts on landing Ferguson than anything else. I think he could play either depending on how he puts on weight in college.
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As you said: Ego wasn't even thinking about FSU during his recruitment process
Cummings (His childhood buddy evidentally) supposedly had to convince him to visit FSU and agreed to accompany Ego just to get him to show up. Ferguson got an in-home afterwards and was sold on FSU. However his parents weren’t. LSU served as a “compromise” choice
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 31, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He admitted that he wanted to go to FSU, but his parents did not.
There’s an interview with quotes from him somewhere out there.
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Yeah, FSU is definitely going after him. Jimbo supposedly told him he'd start as a FR at WR here
Benjamin > Story
Still doubt he comes here
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 31, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I really want Benjamin
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Benjamin mentioned around two weeks back he was still looking at FSU
I didn’t believe it for a second. Playing chess: If we could somewho steal Benjamin from UF that would increase the likelyhood that Watkins goes there (UF), which we don’t want at all (Sammy terrifies me). So we are in the position of having to hope Clemson can snatch Watkins away from Miami. Which they might be primed to do exactly that. All in all, we are playing catchup for KB and I don’t expect him to be a nole either. It would help if Hester (KB’s coach) pushed FSU, but it doesn’t seem like he does.
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 31, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I highly doubt Jimbo would tell Benjamin that he'd be guaranteed a starting WR spot as a FR
I could see him saying that he’d have the opportunity to win the spot in training camp, and how seniority means little to him. At FSU these days, the best player, regardless of year, starts at each position.
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I took what NTaT said was
Fisher telling Benjamin he is good enough to start as a freshman.
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From Luke Stampini:
Last weekend Benjamin and his Glades Central teammates participated in the FSU 7on7 that they ended up winning. Benjamin reports FSU WR coach Lawrence Dawsey followed around GC and watched most of their games Saturday. After head coach Jimbo Fisher watched a few GC games as well, he pulled Benjamin aside for the two to talk. During the conversation, Jimbo told Benjamin he could start as a freshman at FSU. Florida’s Urban Meyer made the same comments after Benjamin worked out at UF’s camp in June.
Benjamin still has the Gators in the lead, but FSU closing with the efforts of Dawsey.
Take it fwiw, doubt as you will
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 31, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Just wanted to point out that Jimbo said
Jimbo told Benjamin he could start as a freshman at FSU
Didn’t say would. I know that people had misinterpreted this elsewhere (including Luke’s site).
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Hester is helping too
Article couple months ago in the Palm Beach Post talks about how Hester is advising KB to stay away from teams with spread offenses and that his best choices are Alabama, UM and FSU from a use standpoint. That hasn’t seemed to help push UF from the front but maybe when he sees that Meyer’s pro style offense quickly fades back to the dual quarterback spread offense, it might get through to him. I remember Tebow’s sophomore year when Leak was gone and he was going to be a drop back passer and they ended up losing to Michigan in the Outback Bowl. Next year, back to the spread.
by TampaLawNole on Jul 31, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt Benjamin would start
The kid just started playing organized football his Sophomore year. The coaches even say he didn’t always give his max effort.
Chris Volstad Nuff Said
Well, Jimbo obviously disagrees with you
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 31, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
DA-2/Recruiting team - couple of suggestions for FAQ
A) I’m suggesting coming up with a wording that you guys are happy with to talk about how Stanley coming in won’t affect the 2011 signing class (not much talk in here yet, but I’m sure there will be again as there has been in the past).
2) I’m also suggesting writing something up about Wilder as I’m sure the topic will be revisited many, many, many, many, many (I think you get the idea) times between now and signing day.
D) Perhaps something about the DE position in general as well.
I’m not suggesting limiting the conversation about those topics, but just to give people a general sense in what you (the recruiting team) are hearing/feeling about the situation(s).
Obviously recruiting is a very fluid situation and what is happening today may be completely different from what happens a week from now (etc).
Thanks for reading (post ended up a lot longer than I thought it would be when I started to write it. :)
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I don’t know what the rest of the guys are doing, but I’m studying for a final on Thursday. I will work on some of those things when I get some free time.
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Anyone like to give % on some targets we have left, I am really bored at work
I would say:
Wilder- 80%
Drew 60% 66&
O’Leary -70%
Bell
and some others you can add yourself
Based on absolutely nothing....
Wilder – 30%
Drew – 45%
O’Leary – 55%
Bell – 35%
by Caveman Mafia on Jul 31, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
My say
Wilder- 75%
Drew- 45%
O’Leary-60%
Bell- 65%
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by stevegrizzle on Jul 31, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Woo those are some optimistic percentages, goodness
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 31, 2010 10:26 PM EDT reply actions
Right now:
Wilder: 40% UF, 35% FSU, 15% UGA, 10% everyone else (and before I get harped at for Wilder supposedly being down to UGA and FSU, has anyone heard/read Wilder HIMSELF say that? I haven’t, I’ve just heard rumors, which are the only things out there right now. Anyone claiming to have direct knowledge of Wilder’s recruitment is BSing)
Drew: 33% FSU, 33% UGA, 33% Alabama, 1% everyone else (everything depends on how the season plays out IMO, each school has a lot going for it right now)
O’Leary: 40% FSU, 40% Miami, 20% Alabama (really feel that this comes down to FSU and Miami after the 2010 season is over)
Bell: 50% FSU, 30% Auburn, 20% Ole Miss (Ole Miss concerns me due to outside factors that I won’t go into)
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by NoleThruandThru on Aug 1, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
The more optimistic people get
The more and more I think we’re gonna get egg on our faces in the case of Wilder. I still ultimately think he’s trying to drum up suspense for his eventual announcement. The staff is trying I’m sure, but this smells IMO. Won’t put a percentage on Bell and I’ve long thought Drew was gone. O’Leary wll obviously wait things out to see how all three teams utilize the TE during the season. I believe we’ll finish second to Miami and ahead of Bama for the kid. We’ve never really used the TE effectively on a consistent basis and Bama is supposedly gonna feature T-Rich more this season along with Ingram. The TE will be an afterthought.
by westcoastnolefan on Aug 1, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree we've never used a TE effectively on a consistent basis...
But I think this new staff is working on getting the TE involved a lot more. Last year we had some TD plays that worked well with Caz and Beau. Hopefully the position becomes more of a weapon this year and draws O’leary to us.
Wilder 20%
It’s hype, and he’s doing a good job getting everyone excited about nothing.
I remember he actually did that twice.
He committed to FSU, then said he’d make his final announcement on some radio show, where he said FSU was about to take off. Then right before (or on??) NSD, he said, WAIT, UGA might still be in it…then chose FSU. Lol.
If I remember correctly, there was some rumor that he was waivering, but he said he wasn't
Lowndes HS has done the radio announcing for all players a day or two before NSD and then a group signing at the school on NSD for the last couple years. I don’t think the concern for losing Smith was ever that high after the initial announcement.
I never thought I'd actually put wilder that high at 20%
I guess in spite of myself I am falling for the hype too.
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2010/8/1/1599655/2011-recruiting-discussion-thread-7
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