My thoughts on Nigel Carr
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Jul 26, 2010 8:25 PM EDT
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There seems to be a 50/50 split here and let me say I see both sides. Let's first all agree that we did is incredibly stupid, immature, and selfish. It shows an extreme lack of self respect and human decency. Now with all that being said, the one's on here that want to throw the book at the kid I believe you are wrong. It is your opinion and I support your God given right to have one.
Now let's look at the facts. Many kids at other schools all over the nation have very similar arrests and rarely are they thrown off their respective teams for their "1st" OFFENSE.
It will probably be lessened to a misdemeanor since it is his first offense. Now I absolutely agree he should be punished and then put on a short leash. A suspension of 1 to 3 games seems appropriate once all the facts come out and considering it's his first offense. Dunlap got a damn DUI and could have theoretically killed someone and he was gone for only one game.
You don't just throw these kids to trash heap because they will be even more of a problem in society and to the tax payer (US). At this stage in his life he certainly can be rehabilitated and moved back onto the yellow brick road. If it was any of us we would want a 2nd chance. What if it was your son or brother or friend??? You would certainly hope he admits his faults, learns his lesson and be given the chance to prove himself worthy. I say click your heels three times and back to Kansas we go for a fresh start.
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You don’t just throw these kids to trash heap because they will be even more of a problem in society and to the tax payer (US).
What you are saying is, that he is so worthless, such a POS, that we have to be stuck with him ON the team and OUT of jail. Otherwise, he’ll just spend the rest of his life on government handouts. He’s essentially holding us hostage.
What if it was your son or brother or friend???
That committed the crime? Did you somehow turn Nigel into a victim?
1. If my brother had done this, I would hope he gets the full wrath of justice.
2. If my sister had been burglarized by Nigel (and that’s really what we should be asking ourselves), I’d be doing everything I could to support the DA’s Office.
And it’s not like the courts don’t give second chances. You do become eligible for Parole at some point. Screw that up, and you’ll be back in jail.
If my sister had been burglarized by Nigel
I’ve done worse to bigger guys
by Caveman Mafia on Jul 26, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He is in no way a victim
but if this i his first offense and it’s get pleaded to a misdemeanor then I say suspend for games but don;t get him off. If he was involved in some other crimes that he is found guilty in as well then even myself will ahve to reconsider booting him. What I’m saying is knee jerk reactions are usually not smart and that is why CJF is taking a nd wait and see approach. No doubt he will be suspended. taht’s not even a question. For how long is another? The next few weeks will definitely tell the story here. Plus, aren’t you at all interested to hear what Nigel has to say to his teammates and the public? I donlt know about you but I can usually tell the difference between a BS apology and someone that is genuine.
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Jul 26, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is kicking him off the team knee jerk, but suspending for a few games isn't?
You assume that the more severe of the punishment is decided with no process, with no insight, no consideration. Yet, a decision to suspend for a couple days is not knee jerk.
I could argue successfully that your knee jerk reaction is to minimize the loss of playing time for Nigel without considering the crimes committed.
I think he should be suspended for most of the season
A DUI is heinous, but generally its the result of a lack of common sense, being an idiot or immature. People are generally being selfish and the result of that selfishness is often another crime like vehicular manslaughter or destruction of property.
Carr did something that is beyond the scope of normal youthful hijinks. He needs to be punished more severely than what “not going to class” or “possession of pot” calls for.
Disagree, I think that's backwards.
DUI is an indication of a much bigger problem, one that can very easily be endemic and a lifelong struggle. Personally I think anyone caught for DUI should spend at least a couple weeks in straight-up jail, and immediately be entered into a substance abuse program, whether they’re alcoholics or not.
Most times, barring kleptomania, theft isn’t an addiction. I think going through the legal process with a lawyer, court appearances, stern punishment from the team in preseason and a suspension of 1-3 games will cure Mr. Carr of his light fingers for the foreseeable future.
Much less definitive. DUI, you KNOW they’ve abused an intoxicating substance. People steal for a lot of reasons, not just to get money for drugs.
I just think a DUI is far more serious than a first-time theft offense.
I cant agree...
there are so many people that could legitimately get DUI’s that don’t lead to a much bigger problem. I for one will throw myself out there and say that I absolutely could have killed myself or someone else when I was younger, scared the hell out of me, and I am much smarter now. In general most 18 to 22 year olds do a lot of things that they could get into a bunch of trouble for, whether its with drinking or other things. I think Carr should be on an extremely short leash, suspended minimum of three games and one more offense misdemeanor or not, and he’s gone period.
I'm with you Raised
A DUI is a lapse in judgement. Hell, I’ve done it. I can’t pretend that I haven’t gotten behind of the wheel of a car after one too many.
I have never, however, considered breaking into a car to swipe a credit card.
Intent, my friends.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
Not I
(not passing judgement)
I have broken nearly every traffic law there is repeatedly (a cursory peek at my driving record confirms this—which my G/F did before I came to her house the 1st time), but I have never driven drunk or even buzzed. Never more then 3-4 drinks in over and hour with a 230-lb (or more) body. Even then I wasn’t comfortable with it.
INTENT, however, plays here. Breaking into multiple vehicles is disturbing and I’m not sure that is something that can be rehabilitated by the staff……but I am willing to support their efforts to attempt to do so.
Oderint Dum Metuant
Got to chime in here
July 22 Carr was issued a summons to appear for possession of MJ after pleading not to be taken to jail. Cops gave him a break. Apparently that wasn’t enough of a wake call. He pushed the envelope and 50% of the people on this site want to look the other way and pretend none of this happened. No big deal they say. Other teams just let it ride. Hey we don’t want to ruin his life. Hello! Carr put himself in that position. He should be thankful for the free ride he got thus far, turn his attention to rebuilding his life from the bottom up and FSU should move forward with the guys who PLAY BY THE RULES! It’s not rocket science. Part of the problem is the fact that people accept this kind of behavior and kids hear that message loud & clear. Screw up….No big deal. I’m a star athlete and someone will make it go away for me.
by 30yearnole on Jul 26, 2010 11:43 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Just to clarify
Most of the votes were cast before we found out that Carr could be the perpetrator in a string of car burglaries. It seem thhis is not even close to his first offense, just the first where he has been CAUGHT. The police are now backtracking and have already put him down for AT LEAST one more.
I’m sure several will think different after all the information comes out.
by freshcollegeboy on Jul 27, 2010 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Hmmm....
I was not aware of the July 22 incident. This is strike 2. Carr has a character problem. Time to get rid of him.
Third confirmed strike in 4 days...
A) Marijuana Possesion
2) Burglary on Saturday
D) Burglary on Sunday
by Caveman Mafia on Jul 27, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do people assume that if he is thrown off the team he will be out on the streets and turn to a life of crime.
There is always the option of sending him to the FSU north rehab center located in beautiful Florence, Alabama.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Jul 27, 2010 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I had to rec that Frank.
Florence is FSU’s penal colony.
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
By the way...
If the headline is over at the right for anyone else, check it out and read some other reactions… changed my mind. I think he should be done.
We will win games with talent and chamionships with CHARACTER! JF
Dump his butt and set the standard Jimbo!
wac
I love that slogan and hope we adhere to it.
It’s time for Jimbo to show some character and put into practice what he has been preaching. I am a huge Jimbo fan and have been since the first time I heard him speak in the Summer of 2007. I remember feeling inspired and enthused leaving the university center that night, thinking if he was our head coach everything would be different. Even if Carr is not dismissed from the team I will continue support Coach Fisher and his decisions. But IMO Carr should be gone! (I have already benched him in my ’11 dynasty)
by NationWideNole on Jul 28, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
In my mind, CJF has suspended him indefinitely (as per FSU policy) until all the facts bear out......at which time ALL options are on the table
I am OK with anything from a 3+ game suspension (1 or 2 games is NOT enough) all the way to all season, loss of scholarship, or kicked off the team.
I trust in CJF and the Unity Council until given reason not to.
Oderint Dum Metuant
How about suspending him for six game?
Let him sit out half the season, continue to work with the team, go to counseling, make sure he is being “mentored” by a player or two who are good “character” kids and leaders on the team, and stay in the classroom. It isn’t that he can’t change, but he is going to need help. His worldview is, “if you can take it and get away with it, it is o.k.” It is probably he learned that from his environment growing up. If he is kicked off the team it is possible he may never recover, and will end up spending the majority of his life in prison. Being at FSU is probably the best thing for him.
Jimbo has to send a message…he has to let everyone know this is inappropriate and it will not be tolerated, but he also needs to send the message that he cares and doesn’t want to kick his kicks to the curb when they need him the most. Tough love is just that…tough. It will be difficult for Nigel to miss half of the games, but he would still be part of the team. He would have the opportunity to prove to himself and his teammates that he is willing to change and be a good leader for his family.
Agreed chiefnole!
Let him sit out for six games and monitor his actions. One more infraction during and after that time means you’re gone.
ala "Garret Blount"
I don’t think this is a bad way to go at all.
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Jul 27, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Very nice sentiments here
but in reality we either kick him off teh team or he misses1-3 games. 6 games will never happens IMO
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by stevegrizzle on Jul 29, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I try to think, what would we be saying if this was another Gator arrest.
I think people are turning into apologists because they realize this could be damaging to what we care about, the success of FSU football.
If this were a Gator, we would all be screaming one of two things; that we know UF is going to sweep it under the rug, and that he should be kicked off the team.
I am well aware that we need to turn a blind eye to certain things if we want to be a true contender. I am also aware that its easy to have a zero tolerance policy, ignoring the realities of living in a world of gray.
That said, I would hope that each of you that is excusing this behavior will not be the ones to bash UF for all their criminal behavior, because that is incredibly hypocritical. It is also going to be annoying to read from you, since we all know that UF is going to have another player arrested.
My personal thoughts, this is a pathological thing; kick him off the team.
Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole
Football program or rehab center?
When did FSU or any football program turn into a rehab center for disadvantaged youth? No one is taking this guy’s opportunity away, he is losing it himself. No one made him steal or do drugs, he chose to do these things. There are criminal opportunities in front of all of us every day of our lives. The difference is that 99.9% of people in society make the decision NOT TO BREAK THE LAW.
How about we give his scholarship to a kid that obeys the law and wants to be a better person. Someone that appreciates his education and the opportunities provided to him becasue of his talent.
by BossNole on Jul 27, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Suspend him for a year
He is a part of the Seminole family, represented by the same seal that will be on my diploma. Its embarrassing, but you can not just throw family to the curb. Keep him around for a year, and see what kind of growth he can achieve under Jimbo’s new support staff. No reason to give up on a 20-something yr old who made a big mistake that he will regret forever. Let Jimbo and his staff have time to work with this kid, helping him grow and mature. Help him become a grown ass man and not a black eye for the Seminoles in Florence.
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by DS_fear_the_spear on Jul 27, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. A year suspension is fitting.
under a zero tolerance policy
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
I agree on your general statement but kinda chuckle at your 99.9%.
I bet under 30% of society has never knowingly broke the law.
I'll bet it's almost no one if you include every single law
out there, including speeding.
When I was this kid’s age, I may have partaken of a few illegal substances, perhaps even on numerous occasions. I may also have indulged in drinking legal subatnces but before I was legally allowed to do so. Most of us have similar little peccadillos in our past.
I’m not comparing what Nigel did, but posting to refute the statement that 99.9% of people have never broken the law. No way no how.
May have (c;
I almost said this in another thread, but back in the day, DUI wasn’t considered such a major crime (I’m not saying that it shouldn’t be, but it wasn’t), and pot was basically legal on FSU’s campus and in Doak until the Reagans came along with “Just Say No” and “The Drug Czar”. I think I even knew a girl who worked in the FSU bookstore who gave me a pretty good discount for a couple of quarters (yep, we were on a quarter system back then). I didn’t ask for a discount, so I guess I felt that she was the one who was stealing, but maybe that was just rationalization on my part.
Anyway, these days I take DUI seriously, just like everyone else, although I still have some sympathy in my heart for youthful discretion and the effect of hormones. But I could care less if a player smokes weed, or drops acid for that matter, except to the extent it affects his/her play or academic performance. And for obvious reasons, I agreed with the sentiment of Warrick’s “It’s not like I killed the president remark” (almost Barkleyesque if you ask me).
For me, there’s a big difference any of those things and breaking into someone’s house or car and stealing from them. And there’s a big difference between that and physically assaulting someone. So Carr has gotten himself pretty deeply entrenched on my s**t list, but probably not past the point of no return.
Percentages may vary:)
I just want to impress upon people that Nigel’s actions were not inadvertent and did not accidentally build up to breaking into cars. Granted, most people do break the law in some sort or another, but not with malicious intent such as this.
I gracefully retract my percentage claim of 99.9%… Carry on.
This attitude is not really consistent with winning.
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 29, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I have to ask for a little bit of clarification here, Bud.
DISCLAIMER: Everything posted by DutchFSU operates under the premise that Christian Ponder remains healthy during the entire 2010 football season. As well as the entire Seminole offensive line, most of the cheerleaders, and quite a few of those seated in the student section. Maybe even a hot dog vendor.
What these poll results tell me
is that there are a whole lot of folks who don’t understand the concept of rebranding an organization with a tarnished image.
Bring back Peter Tom- a true Nole!
for the record
i voted option 3 but really wish there was a suspend 1/2 of the season option.
Sorry about that
I thought 3 games or the whole season was appropriate but proba should ahve had half a season in there
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Jul 27, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I voted #2
But I’m more on the 4-6 games train. I think a full season causes him to look elsewhere and I believe in my heart that Jimbo learned from Bobby the art of realizing the potential of human beings and he truely wants them to learn from mistakes and learn to become accountable for their actions. Half a season ala LaGarrett Blount forces him to come out and work as a team player to earn his spot back through being accountable and trustworthy in the eyes of his peers.
Team GOLD
In the end...
charges will be downgraded. Jimbo/unity council should suspend him for no less than 6 games and put on an extremely short leash.
Gripper
poll results...........for the last couple of years
still have me in a state of ( shock and awe)! And i don’t mean just sports. lol
Anyway, coming in late like this on the poll( after the revelations about the other “instances”) for the sake of the honor of the university, IF HE IS GUILTY!!!, he needs to be gone. period. I know, I know I’m an old fart and everything has “changed” since my day, but folks common decency, morality and values don’t “change” with time, more people just choose to ignore them.
p.s. 2 notes…………whatever is mandated, the gates are LOVING this and two………….where is it carved in stone that all these felony charges will be reduced.
p.s.s. I drove drunk in my youth, my wife and 3 kids did too. none, however are alkies or thieves now.
Any Gators or other college football fans who are gloating over this are either hypocrites or downright fools. The same goes for FSU fans who were piling on the Gators for their arrests. Pretty much every college football program has these problems.
by 38Noles on Jul 27, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
...But that does not make it any more "okay."
Not saying that you said that, either. I’m just putting it out there.
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I didn't vote
I am going to wait to hear the final outcome. IF he is guily and charged fully….kick off the team. IF he is guilty with lesser charges suspend for at least half the season.
I voted #2
But then I read the comment about three strikes in four days! I appreciated it back when BB (and recently JF) said that he looks at these guys as his own sons. That said, if Carr can be “rehabilitated” (i.e., shown the error of his ways, and make steps to improve his behavior and underlying character), I wouldn’t mind him staying with the team (though it’s looking like a 6+ game suspension may be more appropriate than 1-3).
If, however, there is no indication that he feels bad about the deeds, and he would be likely to repeat them, then I say boot him. Bad choices are one thing (and these were down right awful, stupid, criminal choices), but an unchanging bad character warrants dismissal, a swift kick in the arse, and a “Good riddance!” I trust that Jimbo and the unity council know Carr and the details better than I do, and that they’ll make the right decision (help him if possible, get rid of him if not).
Heifer dust.
He isn’t Bobby’s son. Bobby missed the point that his biggest loyalty was TO THE UNIVERSITY.
Bring back Peter Tom- a true Nole!
by PeachTreeNole on Jul 27, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
He wasn't paid to run a Boys' Ranch,
but to protect his employer’s reputation. And he did a poor job of that.
Bring back Peter Tom- a true Nole!
by PeachTreeNole on Jul 27, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the folks voting #2 are remembering some of the stuff we all did in our youth.
Each of us would want forgiveness as a student.
None of that applies. Carr wasn’t “just a student.” He was a special, very public representative of the entire school. He knew he would hurt the school.
Moreover, these were repated criminal actions. If any of us had come before the discinary council for this, we would have been expelled.
Bring back Peter Tom- a true Nole!
by PeachTreeNole on Jul 27, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
think this is the same player CJF
referred to on his booster tour as the knucklehead who embraced the new staff/process…the same player CJF was so proud of and said that this unnamed player had turned his attitude around for the better??.. … hope CJF can use this example for changing the culture of this team (players actually learning/listening to the HC now). Not that this will be the last arrest for the Noles, but hopefully the arrests/convictions come at a slower rate.
If what has been reported is true
he should never step on the field again. I am all for second chances in a lot of situations. I would hate to be judged off the dumb shit I did in college. I felt for a kid like Rod Owens that had never been a problem and got behind the wheel one night after a few too many. I’ve been there and so have most of you. I feel for the kid that takes a bong rip at a party and ends up with a random piss test on Monday. I’ve been in a situation where a group of 18-22 males have too much testosterone and get into with a another group of 18-22 year olds. That happens. That shouldn’t impact the rest of someones life.
I’ve never broken into a vehicle, stolen, and used someone elses credit card. There seems to be a decent amount of evidence that he’s done this more than once. If I had to make a bet, he’s done this much more than twice. That isn’t a mistake, that’s a really bad guy. Unless this is mistaken identity, he’s either too much of a turd or too stupid to buy into what we want to do here. Let him have his second chance at North Alabama.
Yeah Rod Owens was a good kid
And I think we all ahve been guilty of driving “buzzed” (same as drunk if you ask me) at some point so I see the arguement there and pretty agree they aren’t in the same category. But with a DUI there is greater likelihood you could ahve killed somebody, obviosuly inadvertently. Now with possible other cahrges coming against him I may have ot change my mind and this was my fanpost! Whoops! When it first came out it was thought by me and many that this was his 1st period, but that appearsd ot maybe not be the case.
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Jul 27, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I havent read everything that happened but IMO
DONE SON. I dont care what the world thinks ether or how good of a LB he is. The way I see it is look at the O-line. (WWTD) What would Trickett do if this was one of his boys. They might stay on the team but I bet he would never see another snap at FSU. Maybe its me but I dont see how people that have a gift can throw crap away like this. Also this might suck but its not like we dont have more to back him up. Guess Luc is going to get more playing time this year after all.
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Its not like he pulled out an AK
What he did was stupid. He should be suspended multiple games and up to the season if everything discussed is true. This was a property crime not a personal assault or more serious offense. His issues should be delt with severly and he should be made an example of to show, starter or not, the rules apply to everyone. Others have done much worse and not been kicked out of school for a first (convicted) offense.
I never would have guessed
That I would be envious of how well the Canes are staying out of the police blotter. Their last arrest was October 2007, and that one was really stupid “drunk, punched a car then ran from police” And here we are in a little more than a month’s time we have TWO felony theft arrests. Randy sucks as a coach but he is performing very well in this aspect of the job.
by NationWideNole on Jul 28, 2010 11:28 AM EDT reply actions
Good citizen. Safety first
Maybe he was trying to liberate the items from the hot car. Perhaps he was worried about the safety of the credit cards in that stifling heat… they could have melted! The owner of that credit card should thank him for such a selfless act.
He's got to feel the consequences. There is an abundance of second chances in our society if people are willing to take the long road to achieve them.
I think that the problem is that too many children are hearing how special they are and don’t realize that they need to add something of value to society to get value from it. And vise versa if they screw up. Sooner they learn that only their family (if that) actually have an ounce of unconditional love for them, and no one else does, the better. Then they are probably more apt to contributing to society and their own freaking well being. “in the pain there is healing”. The best gift you can give someone is teaching them how to be self reliant and give back. IMH (and young) O.
Grace I call Your name, Oh won’t Your smile fall over me, I’m cracked and dry on hands and knees, Oh sweet grace rain down on me I need You grace
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by FSUvaFan on Jul 31, 2010 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The best gift you can give someone is teaching them how to be self reliant and give back
Very well said
by Caveman Mafia on Aug 2, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's how Jimbo should decide Carr's case:
if Jimbo thinks that the loss of Carr won’t have any significant impact on the team, then keep him off the field; otherwise, get him back on the field ASAP. This of course assumes that Nigel is sorry for his actions and wants the chance to prove that he deserves to be on the team.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
The irony of comparing your statement to your signature is astounding.
Accountability of WHOM is back in Tallahassee? Just the coaching staff? Are players not also accountable for their actions?
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Yes I believe that is what his sig is saying
Accountability to winning. Dont be so naive, if you want to have a top program you cant rule with an iron fist.
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My desire to have men represent my university makes me naive?
I would counter with the idea that men are capable of not commiting crimes. Its true. I’m a man and I’ve gone my whole life without a single felony arrest. Men don’t break the law, and men do play football. Look at Miami. They’re a top 25 team this year and they can (and just might) beat us. No arrests for three years. THREE YEARS. At least none we’ve heard of, anyway. And it must be true, because Bianchi says so. (Warning: Clicking this link will give Bianchi a “hit” on OS.com. If thats your thing, then I guess its okay.) I did a google search just to double check. I found articles about Marve getting arrested in 2007. A misdomenor arrest. Not much else out there. (Please correct me if I am mistaken, though.)
So if Miami is good enough to do it, why can’t we? How on Earth is it unrealistic to believe so? Or, more importantly, how is it NAIVE to think so?
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I see your point
My sig really referred to coaches—Bowden lost, kept losing and wasn’t held accountable b/c he was Bobby. That said, I said that Carr deserves to play only if he acknowledges how he let down himself and everyone else in the program and has a sincere desire to atone.
Expanding: the Carr case is the first real test of Jimbo’s new culture of support. He hired many (40-60ish) new support staff for the players, some of whom are (or ought to be) assigned to (small groups of) players. Also, which player is Carr’s roommate? That kid is also a support mechanism for Carr—IMO Carr needs to room with a STA kid… or Ray Drew, if we get him. Yes, Carr’s actions were obviously a personal failure. But the support system that Jimbo has created and his teammates also failed.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
"Others have done much worse and not been kicked out of school for a first offense"
I beg to differ. Seems the Oregon Ducks did just that…with their star quarterback!
“Jeremiah Masoli has accepted an invitation from Mississippi coach Houston Nutt to visit the school this weekend…However, Masoli still must resolve the legal issues that led him to being kicked off the Ducks this offseason. He pled guilty to burglary and received one year of probation. He recently admitted guilt for possession of marijuana.”
My philosophy is very, very simple.
“Crime” is not exactly a concept that escapes many of us. Generally speaking, most of us grow up in America knowing what is legal and what is not. Lawyers here can debate about some of the finer points of law, the fact that ignorance of the law is no excuse, and so forth. But for the most part, we all know whats up.
That said, I personally believe there is a very fine line here, but one that can be very easily crossed. As a criminologist, I know the premise I mentioned above that “ignorance of the law is no excuse.” And legally speaking, this remains true. As far as football is concerned, though? I think its a valid excuse. If a football player is found guilty of felony tax evasion or violating international law… Okay, I’m not even going to take that idea further because its just silly. But you get my point. If such was the case, I get it. The guy had no idea, most likely, what he was doing or what was going on.
But lets get serious here. Everyone knows that breaking into a car and stealing credit card information is wrong. Everyone knows that using the credit card information of someone else, with or without stealing said information, is wrong. And yes, everyone knows that smoking a bit of the Mary Jane is illegal, regardless of if you think its wrong or not.
A mistake is “Oops, I just dropped this vase.” It is NOT “Oops, I just broke into this car.” A mistake is “Oops, I just accidentally knocked that guy over.” It is NOT “Oops, this joint just fell into my mouth.” It is “Oops, I just purchased too many (insert random things here),” not “Oops, I just purchased (insert item) with someone else’s credit card.”
Mr. Carr knew what he was doing, and he knew that what he did was wrong when he did it. He should pay a penalty, legally or otherwise. And I, for one, don’t want felons on my team. I care about winning, but I care about respect for my fellow man more. And if someone else is going to disrespect the property of others, he does not deserve my respect. Not one bit.
DISCLAIMER: Everything posted by DutchFSU operates under the premise that Christian Ponder remains healthy during the entire 2010 football season. As well as the entire Seminole offensive line, most of the cheerleaders, and quite a few of those seated in the student section. Maybe even a hot dog vendor.
Never easy...
to see us lose a talented player, but we are on probation and we can’t be messing around with felons…
Buddy
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