2011 Recruiting Discussion Thread #4 [closed]
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- RB Devonta Freeman commits to Florida State. 06.24.10.
FAQ:
1. Are the five-star Texas RB considering FSU?
Somewhat, but FSU seems to be outside looking in. We know FSU is in their top four both, but we don't buy the hype. Malcom Brown will most likely go to Texas, and Aaron Green will likely join his cousin at Nebraska. New article suggests that both still have FSU in their top four. Credit Coach Eliot for his Texas connections getting FSU's foot in the door. If they decide to officially visit, we will add them to the board.
2. What happened to De'Joshua Johnson?
Was not able to qualify for Florida State. Appears he needed much more work academically than what was represented...
3. Will FSU take 2 WRs now instead of just Rashad Greene?
This is tricky. FSU is loaded at wide receiver and doesn't need to take another. FSU could have as many as 13 wide receivers in 2011. That's more than optimal and is not a good use of finite resources (85scholarships). However, this answer likely depends on the future of Jarmon Fortson (could go pro early), Taiwan Easterling (baseball, but when?), and Cam Wade (don't see many non-contributing 5th-year seniors on the roster). The coaches will be in the best position to determine this, and we are not going to second guess their move here.
4. What's up w/ Tony Steward?
Steward camped at Clemson over the weekend. Clemson is in desperate need of linebackers because its current crop lacks both quality and numbers. Plus, Steward's idol is Ernie Sims, who was coached by Clemson LB coach Kevin Steele. Steward named Clemson his leader following the camp. Despite this, we are confident in FSU's position with him. Steward is very respectful and has said good things about everyone. Clemson will be an underdog in 5-7 games this season and it would be hard to see them land the top LB prospect in the nation from out of state while finishing with 5 or 6 losses. While we are mindful that Clemson can promise him an immediate starting job playing for Ernie Sims' former coach while FSU cannot (FSU is loaded with linebacker talent), we think FSU is in good position at the present time and that FSU's position will only improve from here. It will really depend on whether the kid prefers immediate playing time or the better program.
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DE recruiting seems to be on the upswing!
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i know all of a sudden we look good for lynch, newberry, and hopefully rasco???
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I've seen we're in Lynch's top 4(?) but what's the news on Newberry?
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Not only Lynch and Newberry
It has been said that we’re back in good with Drew too. At least that
is what has been said on ThaRinger.
I think the Drew stuff is more optimism than anything solid.
Apart from the fact that he made the Jimbo Fisher camp a little bit ago and brought his family. Add in the inherent advantages we’ve had from the beginning (location, his growing up a fan, Smiley being on the team), and the mess with UGA’s AD, and you got people feeling good.
C'mon Drew!
More UGA arrests…im lovin it. (crossing fingers our noles dont mess up this summer)
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5369358
yeah, Ray...
you don’t wanna be around such a shady program, do you? A nice upstanding guy like yourself?
hahaha.
What's the news on Newberry though?
Reported by whom?
What’s been reported on Drew that we’re back in good other than him showing up at the JFC?
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That's what his facebook said a little while back
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 8, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Whats the lure at LSU that they always tend to be in the top list of players?
Firstly, I think Les Miles is an average coach (falls in the category of coaches who do less with more)! They can always have the 1st shot @ Lousiana kids but suprised to see them getting their share of stars from other states.
SEC?
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Insane amount of pressure from loacl/state community.
Comparable with Alabama IMO.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 8, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 8, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you ever been to LSU's campus?
It’s incredible. I mean, it doesn’t get much more old school southern than that. The women are hot, the football players are Gods, and IMO there isn’t a more rabid fanbase on the planet.
There is LOTS to love about LSU. If they didn’t have captain dipshit as their HC, they’d be in the thick of title hunts left and right.
I heart Cardullo...in the same way I heart the World Cup, Fat Girls, and Okra.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jul 8, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I Rec the Spet
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by The Ryno and I Know on Jul 9, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
All that is true
But it still didn’t keep them from being a national title contender for a very, very long time. Miles isn’t Saban, but he’s still getting them basically the second best level of performance in recent history.
not sure i understand?
did you mean that LSU wasn’t a title contender for a long time, even with their “advantages”?
and I’m sure every young black guy wants to go to a scool that is “old south”.
by jasonole59 on Jul 9, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Their history isn't as important as their future.
That program is poised to be one of the top 10 programs of the next 25 years, imo.
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Would you have said the same thing about us 10 years ago?
I think most would have. Funny how things change.
Yes, I would have.
And there would still be what over half of those 25 years left to make a strong claim at being a top 10 program of the past 25.
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but he’s still getting them basically the second best level of performance in recent history.
Don’t you mean “Keeping” them there? It shouldn’t be hard for LSU to get good players, but they’ve got a recent NC to their cred now.
IMO it’s easier to maintain than to build. Miles won’t last long if he keeps it up, though. The fans patience is running thin.
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by Randall W. Spetman on Jul 9, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like it
I sure hope he can gain 60 pounds of good weight in two or three years.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
He can't sign until signing day...
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I did not see anywhere in there where it said sounds like UCF
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All I know
is he says FSU is not his goal and he wants to be close to home for his daughter. How close is close depends on the person, but it doesn’t seem like it’s clearly FSU out front.
I personally don’t mind him going elsewhere. Don’t think this makes or breaks anything or a huge loss if we miss out on him.
But no, it doesn’t say UCF is where he’ll land (from what I skimmed).
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I think he has to say things to keep options open
UCF’s academic standards are much lower than FSU’s because they are in the Big East. Say he can’t get in to FSU… he needs to leave the door open for UCF.
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C-USA, but I get the point.
UCF’s admissions standards are actually very close to those of FSU. Closer to ours than USF is to UCF’s.
Does this guy upgrade the defense?
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Yes he adds immediate depth at WDE where we have one really good pass rusher...in-the-maiking.
And my understanding is also that he can’t say its all one school or another due to legalities.
Giddy-up!
So you think only one of Jenkins and Stevens is really good.
What makes you think Stanley is definitely better than anything we have? Is he better than moving Bradham to DE on rushing downs and using some combination of Luc, Williams, Carr and Smith at LB?
I’m just not sold on this guy definitely making a difference.
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I agree with this, but I hold both Jenkins and Stevens in high regard.
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We need three deep and I think Jenkins definately turns the corner and Steves MIGHT turn the corner.
If you you’re talking strictly another pass rusher then I think Stanley is better than Stevens at this point, but that’s just my take.
Giddy-up!
Sorry, they want to move to the BE
CUSA is even worse (see East Carolina)
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Still think UCF probably has higher admissions standards than USF.
Or at least equal.
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Question
What school do y’all think will benefit the most from USC’s probation? I was reading some stuff, and I believe the Cal Bears have somethin’ cookin’ over there. I noticed that they are taking some ballers from all over the USA.
They signed two 5 star players Keenan Allen from NC and a Linebacker. Their average star ranking per recruit is 7th. Plus, they have some NFL talent on the roster, and some decent players in the NFL.
I think that they will benefit greatly from the USC probation.
Cal, yes
Oregon, and definitely UCLA with Neuheisel and Chow. Sark at Wash probably should benefit as well.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Jul 8, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Parity?
So at least 4 teams will start picking up USC’s recruits. It looks like the PAC 10 will be more like the ACC of late. Lots of decent teams, but no clear-cut dominate power.
by RiverCityNole on Jul 8, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
OREGON
I heart Cardullo...in the same way I heart the World Cup, Fat Girls, and Okra.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jul 8, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Harris Qualification Issues?
I have read from TOS that Mike Harris may be having trouble qualifying also, does anyone have any information on this? I thought we were going to get the whole class in per JF.
We addressed this 2 weeks ago and were the ones to break it actually
Use the search feature here because I don’t want to create a firestorm where there shouldn’t be one. Harris has issues with his JUCO. He was supposed to be in 2 weeks ago and if he waits much longer he can’t come in for this Summer session. Everyone expects him in.
Whole class is definitely not getting in, see ths FAQ
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He's been cleared as of today, right?
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by Randall W. Spetman on Jul 8, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He's been admitted and is now on the team and practicing
The admissions dept often admits transfers before receipt of actual transcripts if they get something else satisfactory like an unofficial or a diploma.
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That's what I heard happened...
good news either way
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by Randall W. Spetman on Jul 8, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Not worried about him at this point. His school runs late.
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Lol that same site claimed he would be in two Friday's ago after we said he would be delayed a while
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Is there film on Lynch?
I thought there was some on here but I can’t seem to find it.
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You're asking the wrong guy.
I have no idea.
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An ND site reported it, but who the hell knows
That’s all I know.
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by Randall W. Spetman on Jul 8, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll likely have that call we talked about next week
Peter has been super busy
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No problem. Funnily enough, the delay has worked out well for me. My new cell-phone, the one I ordered three weeks ago, has gone through a crazy turn of events that has delayed it from arriving. It should be here in the next 3-5 days, but they’ve been telling me that for three weeks. I will email you the number once it arrives.
Art Modell gives me a hard one
So is there any film on him?
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Great class shaping up - Confidence is high.
Regardless of how it closes out – considering we only have 7 seniors in our two deep offensive and defensive rotations…… That is sick.
The thing I keep thinking about is that no matter how this class ends
The fact that we have been big players for so many of these guys, and landed a few, with three 7-6 seasons in the last four, is very encouraging. It’s really remarkable when you think about it, and the fact that most of these kids can barely remember us being very good.
How many teams that haven’t sniffed a conference championship (in a mediocre conference), let alone been a top 10 team or challenged for a national championship, are competing like this in recruiting?
Man, what our recruiting will be like if we can log a couple 10-win seasons, wow.
Any thoughts as to who WR #2 could be, should FSU pull the trigger on taking two?
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I am thinking if the coaches think any of the current WRs (Dent/Haggins) are better suited to play DBs than we mite go in for a 2nd WR late in the year. We mite see a no-name guy who the coaches really like!
Andre Davis was the one to take the lid off the possibility, so he would be a name to watch
WR is a position where kids ALWAYS pop on to the radar during the season. FSU should have some good options.
Anyone know what’s up with Hakeem Flowers these days? Kid seems to have disappeared.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 8, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
just what i think but mr. 4.24 might come
TACOI Sumler might come if two WR leave the team. dont be surprised if he comes
by Kennett Luxama on Jul 9, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't complain
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 9, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Hope not. He's a shrimp.
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He's 180 now. What is Sumler?
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Eh, so was DJJ and FSU took him
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 10, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Andre Davis makes since to me.
I think I saw something about Hakeem Flowers on one of the USCw sites.
I felt like Marcus Sims against GTech when I hit post.
But what can you doo(yeah right). Help us out Bud?
I'd rather have been Sims in that situation than the rest of us.
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Now that I moved from SC to TX, I don't have as good a feel for a lot of those NC/SC kids
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 8, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
Maybe pops can hook up with BronBron and put out an LP
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 9, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
From the comfort of my sofa
I am predicting the kid is a bust. He seems a bit shakey and is going somewhere without the bests of support systems. I also expect Whipple to be gone in 3 years or so, adding to the instability of the program.
by osceolafan2.0 on Jul 9, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
their program is pretty stable, and I think he has a good support system in place
Sorry, but I cant be anything but bummed about Seantrel
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Seantrel's support system or UM football's
I mean I don’t expect the Canes to maximize the talent of all their players bc of their support system lagging behind what other schools have. I didn’t mean Seantrel’s home life
by osceolafan2.0 on Jul 9, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think much of their oline coach
but I haven’t followed their OL recruiting to know if recent problems are results of talent or coaching. But UM has older facilities and I think their “non-coaching” staff (the guys who are coaches but can’t be called that due to NCAA regs) is smaller than a lot of schools. And the instability I brought up a few posts ago was in regard to how they seem to lose at least once coach every year for the last 4 or so years. I think coaching changes are one thing when you are on top of the mountain but another when you are still climbing. Off the top of my head they have changed OC, DC and Dline coach/recruiting coordinator in the last 2 or 3 years.
by osceolafan2.0 on Jul 9, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Aaron Green and James wilder
there Is a 89% chance that wilder will come to FSU. and 63% chance that Green comes
ten players might leave
3db and some d line man will leave. both WR might leave for the pros if they do well
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why are they still on the espn board
why are Jadeveon Clowney ,Isaiah Crowell,Wayne Lyons,Robenson Therezie,Demetrius Hart, and Eric Dixon. still on the board
ask espn?
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 9, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Take it up with ESPN...
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25 Scholarships
Can someone please tell me when does the ncaa start to limit the number of scholarships? I thought it was 25 with this limeman miami will have 30.I know 1 is on a bogus tract scholarship.
Miami will definitely not have 30 because some of the kids are not going to qualify
You can’t bring in more than 25 in one class. If the kids are back-counted to a previous class in which you have room left over, that’s fine as well and they don’t count to the 25.
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Rest assured, you cannot cheat this rule. Everyone complies
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But also rest assured that if Seantrel wants in, they will kick someone else to curb to make room.
So there is no implication of this rule keeping him out of UM.
the ppl at the 7th floor blog think shannon is an amazing recruiter
“So, to recap, that’s two five-star athletes Randy nabbed AFTER signing day. The man sleeps with one eye open, and not just because his entire family is dead and he’s haunted by a terrible childhood.” 7th floor blog
They’re fans…if they don’t want to recognize that each player fell into their laps because of circumstance, then let them enjoy their ignorance.
Art Modell gives me a hard one
Wow, that 2nd sentence is just...
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Over the line.
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by Randall W. Spetman on Jul 11, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Marquise Williams committed to UNC
giving them two QBs for 2011. UNC was FSU’s main competition for Brissett. I don’t know if the coaches want two QBs in this cycle but this is good news for FSU if they do.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 10, 2010 11:44 PM EDT reply actions
Could securing Brissett land us O'Leary for sure.....?
Though I’m sure our staff wouldn’t take Brissett just to get O’Leary. It should be interesting though.
yeah, he said he wants to play both at the collegiate level for at least one year
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If he redshirts football, I see no issue with him playing a year of basketball
After that though, I couldn’t see Jimbo allowing that from a QB. It’d establish him as Coker’s backup for sure.
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No, I don't think it would make O'Leary a sure bet
but it couldn’t hurt
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 11, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
bobby hart
I think he is about to commit cause on Karlos williams facebook he wrote: Fsu fam all day !
I Dont know but he might do it soon.
by Kennett Luxama on Jul 11, 2010 10:02 AM EDT reply actions
I beleive tht i heard he was goin to do it at Jimbos camp
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Well known he loves FSU,
but remember he is only 15 years old. Definitely could be a little while, however, as he enjoys the process.
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 11, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You should read the exchange he and Ricardo Williams had on FB a while back
if you’re basing your expertise solely on social networking sites
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 11, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Can I get the gist of it?
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Sure (someone posted the transcript on another site, I'll copy it here):
June 22 at 8:41 pm Ricardo Williams: MAN IT WATEVER THAT STATE LOOKIN GOOD RIGHT NOW
June 22 at 8:41pm Bobby Hart: COMMIT !
June 22 at 9:02pm Ricardo Williams: ME IN THE BOYS WHO WAS UP THERE WIT YOU WE GONE DO IT AT THE SAME TIME
June 22 at 9:03pm Bobby Hart: when ?
June 22 at 9:03pm Ricardo Williams: WHEN WE GO BACK UP THERE
June 22 at 9:05pm Bobby Hart: in july ?
June 22 at 9:05pm Ricardo Williams: YEA FOR THE LINEMAN CAMP
June 22 at 9:08pm Bobby Hart: thats whats upp ! welcome aboard !
June 22 at 9:10pm Ricardo Williams: YOU UP THERE IN JULY
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 11, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha. love it.
not entirely sold on williams, but I can’t wait till Hart finally “pops.”
…just as an aside, I really don’t like calling it “popping.” Seems odd. Possibly perverted too.
Ah, I thought you meant Williams and Williams.
Even nicer than it was Hart instead of Karlos.
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-Dwyer TE Nick O’Leary has proven to be one of the top talents in the state of Florida, and his recruitment is going to be studied ever so closely in the months to come. O’Leary was sporting a Florida State hat Saturday and for now it seems like the Seminoles are in good position for the talented tight end. He did not claim a leader, but mentioned FSU first in his list of schools that included Miami, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, and others.
This is far from over for anyone.
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But...but he's wearing an FSU hat!
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by Randall W. Spetman on Jul 11, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
But will he put that hat on during NSD?
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Or perhaps during an all-star game in Early January.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Of all the early indicators of a favorite, wearing a school's gear seems to be the weakest.
But I’m just basing that off a few examples. Seems guys switch the gear they wear all the time.
Ya, I know some guys who hang with him down there
they’re all FSU guys, but recruits all pretty much understand this is a business decision now. So I don’t put much weight behind fandom (see: Drew, Ray, Steward, Tony, Harvin, Percy, etc.)
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Tony whom?
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Hey just a quick idea
Maybe we could do a prospect draft on here for anyone one who wanted to?? Maybe just players from FL and GA or maybe the whole southeast? Just an idea
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It's pretty fun.
You can then set up a poll to have a vote for the best team.
by nolesblogger on Jul 11, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya tht is what i was thinking it would probably be easier to just do FL and GA players but we can do whatever
I was thinking of setting up a post and then just letting everyone drop bye and make there pick.
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I think that would be fun
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 11, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Not necessarily true
They’re in for a potentially ugly season
Agrred. I've been saying the same for weeks.
I still believe you try like hell to get him back and pursue other targets as well.
Geez Cortez is a joke we need to go all in for Waisome and now go harder after Pyror
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Cortez is a better athlete but Waisome is a better pure cover corner
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Waisome is a waste of time
Rather go after Grooms or stand pat at DB for now
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 11, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
So he is committed to Clemson but his child in Forida is still on his list of favorites?
These young men are little more than children and should not be chastised by us for acting like children. However, this young man needs to butch up if he has become a father. IMO, the staff should look carefully at the character issues here, not because he has become a father, but because of the way he has chosen to handle the information.
Cortez is a waste of time IMO.
I’d rather spend the time going after someone who wants to play at FSU then another kid that changes his mind 100 times. We truly do need to pound Clemson this year though.
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He may not be a waste of time for our coaches
But he’s certainly a waste of time for us to speculate on anymore!
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
All you poor, spurned recruitniks.
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…at least as far as sports goes.
by Nole2005 on Jul 11, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love recruiting.
I’m just not one to pick apart a teenager over their college decision(s). Nice metastasis comment.
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by tricknole on Jul 11, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree with you Trick
People are too tough on kids like this, and in my opinion, Elam for that matter.
They forget that not only are these teenagers, many of whom with very few positive adult role models growing up, who are basically “battling” with the super-recruiters out there, for our school and every other top school. These guys can’t always be prepared to deal with the likes of Coley, Ogeron, Urban Meyer, etc. Most handle it pretty well, obviously a few struggle with it.
Don’t you think FSU and Clemson have been asking for his committment? I would think they are.
I imagine he’s having a really hard time with the decision, and can’t imagine having to live with it another six months. I bet he keeps thinking that basically by comitting, it can be “over”, and it keeps turning out that it doesn’t end the contact from coaches and his general indecision.
I’m not saying it’s the most mature way to handle the situation, but I can’t kill the guy. Tell you what, I’ll hammer the guy like the rest of you IF you can show me that FSU stopped pursuing him after his original committment to Clemson, and that Clemson stopped contacting him after he committed to us. I think that’s highly unlikely. So I think the recruiters are just getting the best of the kid.
I'm not one to get mad at a 17 year old kid.
But Matt Elam PISSED me off. Not the flip flop, but the G&G picture, and the “made me sick” comments. I can’t wait to see EJ light his ass up.
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by Randall W. Spetman on Jul 15, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Not me. Called this a mile away
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 11, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
We've lost kids to Dabo before
And we’ll lose more. It happens.
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by Randall W. Spetman on Jul 12, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I just mean the ones who are kind of badmouthing the kid.
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Oh I see
agreed. Not necessary… you think Davis was a 2* player
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 11, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, people can get ridiculous
Although i have to admit that I CONSTANTLY forget these are 16 year olds we’re talking about. They sure as hell don’t look like the guys I went to high school with.
The guys I went to high school with didn't play FBS type ball.
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Theus
I see he has an offer from us. Is it unusual for a long snapper to get a scholarship? Will he take a spot away from a possible other OL commit (Matulis?)
His brother is an insanely good 2012 prospect
Ponder lacks arm strength? Think again.
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No inside info but I hope we are asking him to be a preferred walk on if all we want is him to longsnap.
That’d be an egregious waste of a scholarship if we don’t think he could, at the very minimum, be a quality backup.
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It's a legit scholarship.
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So he'll be capable of actually contributing to the OL if need be?
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He'll be a longsnapper.
No school is taking this kid without his brother.
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So if he comes and next year his brother doesn't
No renewal for him?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
But will he actually be "at least" a quality backup at an OL spot?
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Perhaps as an upperclassman.
You have like 82 spots you have to fill to have quality depth at every spot and year-to-year balance. The final3 typically go to a special teamer or a walk on.
I expect FSU to end that, ala Saban. Perhaps a walk-on gets a schollie once every few years. 85 schollies are a limited resource. FSU will probably use them all. It can definitely afford to do so.
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 14, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Believe it or not, LS are actually starting to get schaolarships more often than you think.
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and they should
long snappers play a crucial role in special teams, and a bad snap by one means missed points or a 40 yard difference in field position.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jul 16, 2010 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you know any players/schools off hand?
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Auburn
Trick, this doesn’t matter because they are likely to follow Brent Benedict to UGA anyhow
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Yes
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Bigger connection with 2009 kid brent benedict
and SEC
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 16, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not a big deal to me.
I was just wondering what programs did it. I wasn’t aware it was done. I guess it’s like offering a scholarship to a punter/kicker.
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Yeah, like everything else they have camps for LS and such, and they are a lot more specialized.
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UGA it is
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 16, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
DA, I don't know if this is something you already know, or if it's even important to us.
Wilder shows skills, delays commitment
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Maybe I should but I am not giving up on Wilder till he signs some where
I am hoping Gran can do some work and convince him FSU is the best for him
If hope UF lets him play RB
Don’t want to try to block that guy
Ponder lacks arm strength? Think again.
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"There has to be trust because once you sign that letter, the program can do with you what they want," Wilder said. "Right now I'm going to sit back and see how the schools I'm looking at use big backs in their running game."
Hopefully Wilder witnesses Debrale Smiley truckin’ some fools this year, Greg Jones style.
by Gulfport Nole on Jul 12, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Please someone, anyone, explain to me..
Why Clemson is so popular with recruits. Especially lately. What’s the take on their facilities, coaching talent, support staff etc?? I’m not sure if it just me but I have a very hard time accepting the fact FSU is loosing recruits to school whose fans hold up signs reading “yaba dabo doo”.
Not that FSU can’t match this, but I’m sure it doesn’t hurt them.
by Gulfport Nole on Jul 12, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
their selling Playing Time
Jacksonville Seminole Club @ jaxnoles.com
1st Coast Gridiron @ 1stcoastgridiron.com
Is that the best three Clemson can offer????
Weak sauce.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 13, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I spent 4 years at FSU
my tastes are more refined than those swampdonkeys.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 13, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
sometimes riding a donkey through a swamp
is as fun as a horse through a field.
Whatever that means.
by Nole2005 on Jul 14, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I argued with myself over Auburn last cycle.
Sadly, just sometimes you have to accept it. Loyal fanbase adoring you, getting away from the state of Florida, seeing snow but not hating it like an Cleveland or Chicago. Kevin Steele can appeal to some. Marlin Lane is a great friend, and is probably selling Cortez on them being buddy buddy through college. Playing time. And most of all, who won the ACC Atlantic last year? Who’s got a system that hasn’t been tested? We all love to think we’d easily choose FSU if we were being recruited, but I’d actually consider other schools. FSU is a gamble football wise. A ton of talent has been wasted (albeit from previous regimes, but negative culture infects schools). If we’re mad about losing Cortez to Clemson, imagine the Gators feeling about losing Reid to FSU. Their 5 star (although decommitting during the UA week) goes to their inferior rival? It isn’t always easy to understand recruits.
54 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
Bull.
No one will convince me that Auburn’s recruiting isn’t the result of their boosters getting sick of losing to Alabama. There’s no way that Gene “Iowa State” Chizik and his staff turned a team in the bottom third of SEC recruiting into a top 4 national powerhouse that’s on the hot list of all the top recruits nationally. BS. I don’t buy it even a little bit.
by Dark Stranger on Jul 12, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree, Dark.
Trooper Taylor. Get to know him.
Plus, you don’t think OUR boosters are getting sick of losing to UF? We’re in very similar situations and we both pulled top ten classes. Just shows what injecting some new life into a storied program can do.
Though I absolutely won’t deny money is flying everywhere. But it’s not like that’s an Auburn thing.
Trooper Taylor is popular amongst street agents and “hood” kids. That’s it.
He’s one of the most overrated recruiters around. He sucks as a coach too. He just knows the streets.
Art Modell gives me a hard one
He just knows the streets.
This makes me believe that he’s probably more intelligent than most give him credit for.
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by Randall W. Spetman on Jul 15, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Bull? Are you implying I'm making it up?
These schools have things to sell players on.
Seriously, Ohio State probably would’ve been a better choice for Lamarcus Joyner. Yet FSU ended up with Joyner. Joyner gambled big time that Jimbo Fisher and co. were going to bring in a great coach like Mark Stoops. Nonetheless, Ohio State puts corners and safeties into the league.
The best thing you can do is just listen to what players are saying. Listen to what the insiders are saying, and accept defeat. FSU’s not Florida, Alabama, or Texas at this point. FSU’s on the same level as Clemson and Auburn. Have to prove on the field that FSU’s better before FSU stops losing recruits to teams like that.
54 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
I hear Auburn's a really cool campus too with a nice atmosphere.
Never been there personally though.
It's very old school south, country.
Some kids like that.
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by Randall W. Spetman on Jul 15, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
It's a nice beautiful campus
People seem friendly and really love football there. There are worse places.
The campus is nice, but it doesn't hold a candle to some of the other southern campuses I've seen
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 15, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Not implying that you're making it up.
I’ve just read recently about how Auburn is really turning it around in recruiting lately and I just don’t buy it. Not that it’s legitimate, anyway. There is something VERY fishy going on there.
@Nole2005, you’re right, we both pulled top 10 classes. The big difference is that we pulled kids that were big leans, legacies, etc., most of which were all in state. Auburn overnight became a regular top 3 on the who’s who of national recruits with the likes of USC, Ohio State, and UF. And most of those kids were skill position guys.
You don’t go from being a nobody lately to national recruiting powerhouse without either a great coach coming from the pros or a successful college program. Not Gene Chizik from Iowa State with a mediocre record. Just my opinion, but the Auburn boosters are making this happen behind the scenes.
I know that money flies all over, and perhaps I’m ignorant, but I don’t think FSU does much of it. I know we seem to lose out early on kids that are pretty clearly up for auction (Darrell Scott comes to mind, as well as Kenneth Page). So, either we don’t bid or we’re very cheap. Lol.
by Dark Stranger on Jul 13, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Or can't afford them...
Cue the pics of Corey Lemonier with his new Corvette.
54 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
How so?
http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2010/2/7/1299754/corey-lemonier-loves-guns-and
53 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
As I said, I'm sure it happens all over, but...
I don’t think it’s a concerted effort or even the same ballpark as far as scale goes at FSU. I think those pictures show clearly why that kid, who was considering us strongly all of the sudden went with Auburn late in the process…
by Dark Stranger on Jul 14, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Trust me, recruiting in the SEC is different than anywhere else. The money involved and the desire to win push SEC recruiting into embarrassing territories. I wish I could share some of the stories I’ve heard without being sued for libel.
As for how Clemson recruits so well? They’re an SEC school in the ACC. Let the implications behind that statement sink in for a bit.
Art Modell gives me a hard one
Truth is an absolute defense... I think
Feel free
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
So is anyone else in the mix for Ray Drew besides FSU/UGA? Bama sneaking in there?
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Bama maybe, but t'll come down to the UGA/FSU.
STILL not worried about Drew yet. There’s a lot to recommend FSU to him, but let’s keep our fingers crossed that Richt is gone just in case.
ESPN article about college football rumors
seems very favorable with regard to the Noles and Drew. Posted today.
by Dark Stranger on Jul 14, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
My bad on the link
forgot that’s an “insider feature.” Basically he said he loves the Noles and listed us first in a top 3 of teams pursuing him the hardest.
by Dark Stranger on Jul 14, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
DB Tyler Hunter thinking twice about his commitment to FSU
Stating depth at his position being the main reason.
Lots of kids think twice about their commitments
Not worried about Hunter at all until we get something more solid. Which I don’t expect.
FSU is going to have 3 or 4 guys at his position leave before he ever arrives.
I am sure he’ll understand once they explain it.
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I've about had it with recruitng.....
Can’t wait until fall practice starts. I’m sick of the ROLLERCOASTER ride.
Hunter is concerned about the depth chart now? Heck, he knew what the depth chart looked like before he actually committed, plus Cortez is gone now. Go figure?
At the end of the day I hope all of these kids do what’s best themselves. I’m just saying though!
Really like the kids we have, but can't help but be a little concerned.
Guys like Stample, Freeman, etc. were under the radar prospects that the staff clearly did the work to uncover and bring on board early, and I can appreciate that value.
However, we seem to be taking some serious hits on the highest profile guys of late — we’re talking Drew, Steward — top 10/15 recruits that we were the presumed leader for, who now appear to be drifting away. Smacks too much of the Percy Harvin, Marvin Austin circumstances of the past. The season’s performance is critical, and that oh-so-difficult schedule really puts us in quite the pickle in the face of what will be an onslaught of “the FSU of Old is Dead” by our adversaries with Bobby out of the picture. We’ll be an easy target for more defections if we take the bumps and bruises that many expect.
Further, I understand the rationale behind recruits choosing based on depth charts and concerns of that nature, but in the end, recruiters either overcome circumstances and convince kids that they are the future, or they don’t (see Zook, Ron). Don’t get me wrong — I think what Jimbo and crew did last season was nothing short of phenomenal. However, in their first FULL year of recruiting under Fisher’s sole guidance, the staff is facing a really big test. So far, they’ve done some amazing (“Zook-like”) work with so little to demonstrably validate the direction of the program, but they need fuel to keep the fire going.
Which brings me to an important component of the formula for fixing much of this…. smack Clemson in the mouth and take back OUR division. We need some measurable success to hang our hats on in the face of the lingering ACC power vacuum that SOMEONE has to fill.
I really thought Clemson was tumbling into decay when they named Dabo HC, but I genuinely beleive Kevin Steele saved them. His defense and recruiting prowess seems to be keeping that team afloat (if only UT had managed to pull him away — alas.) In light of this, I’d argue our contest against the kitties this fall is the single most important game of the season. A function of Tommy riding Daddy’s coat-tails was the Clemson team of late being arguably constructed of players that would have been part of an ongoing FSU dynasty — Spilller foremost, but guys like Jacobi Ford, DeAndre McDaniel, Brandon Thompson, etc. all had reasons to be here, and would have been if we hadn’t faltered. That power drain has to be stopped and have the door slammed on their FL recruiting inroads. We need to resume taking guys out of THEIR backyard, as in days of old (Greg Jones, the Bouleware’s Bros., etc.), instead of vice versa. These truly elite FL talent defections are hurting us — if a Florida HS kid doesn’t like UF, he should come to FSU.
While a victory over UF would inarguably be the feather in the hat that would out-dazzle all others, in terms a winnable game that could be key in determining future dynamics in our conference and program trajectory, Nov. 13th is where it’s at. I’m hoping for something along the lines of 34-13, just for good measure.
Quickly,
Breaking this down would make a good post.
Essentially, you’re not thinking like a kid. These kids don’t have real memories of Peter Warrick. That’s how old they are.
When they were 13 we went 7-6
When they were 14 we went 7-6
When they were 15 we again did not win our own division
When they were 16 we had the worst season in 35 years.
Clemson has specifically targeted 2011 for several years. lemson has been planning this 2011 recruiting season and 2010 football season for a LONG time.
This was to be the year Willie Korn and DaQuan Bowers are All-Americans before Jumping to the NFL.
Clemson was working these 2011 kids when they were freshmen and sophomores, while everyone else was working on older kids.
Then a few things happened. Tommy Bowden fired. Dabo was the recruiting coordinator, organizing the 2011 Florida raid.
Clemson had a full staff recruiting, while we did not. They always had a FULL staff recruiting. FSU did not. Still, Clemson grabs the 2011 kids it put in work for, but after that, CU will pull back some from Florida, both by choice and by force (FSU)
They’ve built the relationships with these kids for 3 years now. With a full staff. We’ve been operating with what, 4 coaches for the last 3 years? Much like our player development and new scheme, we are playing catch up. And we will get there.
Like I said, look individually.
FSU did not recruit Bellamy. He never even mentioned FSU. Mom grew up with a Clemson coach. I am happy he is at Clemson and not UF because Clemson won’t develop and utilize him like UF would.
Steward- reasons for this are clear. He will start for them from day one and play from an amazing LB coach. We cannot offer that and we’d be lying if we tried.
Watkins- No interest in FSU. Miami-UF-Clemson battle all the way, until Miami said he didn’t have grades. FSU got its WR this time already. I would much rather he be at Clemson than UF or Miami.
Amazingly, FSU out-recruited Clemson the last 2 years. Clemson won the battle the 3 years before that. Everyone expected Clemson to do very well in Florida this year because they have targeted Florida 2011 for 2-3 years now.
But I expect Clemson to seriously pull back in 2012, at least in Florida. Both because they did not target 2012 like they did 2011, and because FSU will keep rising.
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 14, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also
Clemson has taken a few kids so far with whom their fans are outright angry.
http://www.shakinthesouthland.com/2010/7/14/1569771/clemson-accepts-commitment-from-lb
Not only that, but it looks like they might not get Rome and Shell, two Clemson 5*/4* legacies.
FSU is more committed to winning now than FSU is, but Clemson was more committed to winning throughout the decade and were a much better program. I am not worried that they will be the better program going forward.
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Will enjoy watching Clemson's season this year
Still think we end up with Steward, and I just want Watkins away from UF. Wow that kid is good, just watched his stuff
Low and behold I think Clemson may pull Sammy
Going up there for a four day visit. Per tharinger
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 16, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow!
Shocking if they lose out on Rome. Who do you think mite get him?
UGA
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UGA mite end up with a good class, mite buy rich couple more years??
by DesiNole on Jul 14, 2010 11:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice breakdown
Once again thanks for the great info!
That's where it is.
Others just commented to Bud’s breakdown first.
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That's a heck of a response with a lot insight, Bud.
Appreciate it. I didn’t know staffs targeted a particular class like that — “FL in 2011” — but that might explain a lot.
The reason I emphasized the need for a win over Clemson because our clout will indeed depend on performance — consistent with what a kid with no memory of the dynasty years would expect. I still think our name carries almost a subconscious clout with some kids, but it has to be validated with performance to carry significant weight. Certainly we have more clout than Clemson — who is not only out of state, but has little to no history behind their name and hasn’t performed much better even in recent years.
Anyway, hope we can further the deterioration of their grand plan for storming our state with a big fat “W” planted on their faces this fall.
Any chance we get Isaiah Crowell?
I absolutely love his film and think the kid will be a stud RB in college. What would you put our chances at… 10%?
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when you refer to players as SEC players, does that imply he is a "$EC player" or just that hes a guy that prefers playing in that conference.
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Conference
Some guys just won’t play in the ACC. Just a feeling I have.
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 14, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Shurburtt reporting he got an email from Wilder stating he committed to UF
sorry to anyone who was clinging to hope about it.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 14, 2010 7:19 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah he's backpedalling faster than Deion Sanders now
which is impressive for Shurby
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 14, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol fake facebook and fake e-mail.
Whoever did this is good.
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Just wanted to say, "thanks" again to the staff and contributors of Tomahawk Nation
The “other site” is locking threads about Harris and others, saying it’s premium information, when it has been discussed in many other forums, and for quite some time. So, thanks to everyone here.
Niles Stample
Was watching his highlight video on ESPN recruiting webpage, the kid can outright run and tackle, they dont have any videos of him playing in the trenches but love the motor on him, looks like a sure tackler and he is darn quick! Think he was returning a ball in the 1st video!
great athlete for his size
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Quotes attributed to Wilder Jr (but you never know these days)
“Some (coaches) have been trying to push me to linebacker but I just tell them to not recruit me if they want me for linebacker. I have a passion for running back and that’s what I’m going to play. You can control the game. If you actually have the football in your hands you can actually control the game. It’s all what you do with the ball so I like to have control over the game”
From the recent Nike 7ON championship event. Strange things happen in recruiting, like a big DT from Fla going to play ball in New Mexico, so I am holding out a sliver of hope.
that big DT to New Mexico wasn't that strange, most knew about it before the announcement
I’m fairly certain I learned on here about that situation.
The big DT to New Mexico will be accompanied by his father, who was given a position there as well
Funny how things work out.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 15, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah i remember the word getting out
I thought the reaction of the ESPN guys when he put on the hat was funny though. Poor kid couldn’t even think of a good reason to explain the choice.
by osceolafan2.0 on Jul 15, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Who said this:
“I will be attending the University of Lousiana State University.”
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 16, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Steward vs Wilder jr
If wilder jr played linebacker full time witch player do you think would be better?
I may take Wilder there
like SOM said though, really tough call
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 16, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Regardless, I'll take a crew of C. Jones + Jeff Luc + Steward at LB...
over anything the gates can put on the field in 2012-
Charlie Ward is in Tally. I hope he takes a visit to his home in Thomasville, GA
Ray Drew reminds me of Ward. Both have outstanding talent and are great people/men of god. I think Ward could help make Drew a Nole lean again and stress that Drew needs and could still be involved in his church if he went to FSU.
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
Ward and Drew talking could potentially be an NCAA violation
The only ways it wouldn’t be a violation is if the meeting was random and not planned or if Drew attends a camp where Ward is an instructor. I believe Drew could also seek out communication with Ward to some extent, but it can’t be encouraged or facilitated by FSU.
by nolesblogger on Jul 16, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
And I'm almost certain it's fine if it occurs on FSU's campus.
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yea 9-10
AMFK nole do u want to take part in the recruiting draft i am having?
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Some Newberry news
Newberry says FSU, Florida, and Miami are recruiting him the hardest. He will be at FSU, ND, and UF for FNL next week. Expect to see him at OT
F'sho.
I like his film (not a scout) better at OT than DL.
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Are you guys going to start those weekly recruiting updates or is that a thing of the past?
by floridastateofmind on Jul 17, 2010 4:23 PM EDT reply actions
Kind of thought they got replaced in these threads and the podcasts/ roundtables
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Nope. If he gets his release from USC or the NCAA we'll let you know
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http://twitter.com/THARINGER/status/18710070522
Steward not visiting Bama this weekend. Fam emergency
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LStampini
Word from @Hopkins_Justin is that #FSU has offered STA DB Marcus Roberson
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ThaRinger says UF leads.
We stand much of a chance?
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I think we're a bit late on Roberson
Been trying to get info on FSU’s standing with him for awhile now
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 17, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
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