It’s hard not to make some comparisons though because Florida State has never put out a Heisman campaign before and they’ve obviously had Heisman Trophy winners. Do you think you guys with so many starters back on offense can put up some numbers comparable to those years with Charlie Ward and Chris Weinke?
CP: Oh definitely. Look at what we did last year. We put up amazing numbers. We were at the top in the ACC and close to the top in the country and we’ve got everyone coming back but one guy. We’re set to play pretty well. The expectations are high for ourselves and if we don’t perform as well or better than last year it will be a disappointment.
What are you working on? What can you get better at?
CP: There’s always fundamental things to work on, you can always watch more film. The thing with coach Fisher, I know a lot of the playbook, but he’s always adding stuff. It’s an ever changing playbook. There’s always things you can work on. You’re never going to get to where you want to be, and nobody is perfect, but you’ve got to strive to be there. I improved a lot between my sophomore and junior year, and if I want to see that improvement again, I’ve got to work harder than I ever did before.
It's also important to note that Ponder doesn't have anywhere near the talent around him that Ward and Weinke did (that happens when neither Miami not Florida have recently been on probation), and the schedule he currently plays is significantly more difficult than the slate Weinke's '99 team faced (though Ward's was very tough and I do not want to take away from what the '93 team faced).
Good interview and worth a look.
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With our plethora of RB's
How many dual RB sets should we expect to see this year? 25%?
WAR PAINT OF TN
Not sure. Good question
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Fisher talked about using two running backs at the same time to go with more of a speed look and said that FSU can do that now that the offensive line can pass block. They call it the pony package.
And that was heading into Fall practice 2009 article from MattD.
I think it depends on a couple of things. First, we are 3 WR base set team out of the shotgun. The question becomes who would rather have out there on the field — TE to the flanker (single WR side) side, or an additional back to mirror the flanker-aligned RB? The former gives you a strong blocking side to the OLine, while the latter encourages defenses to line up symmetrically in response.
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I don't think we will have a base much longer
Just because Jimbo really seems to want quality TEs. It would be a waste of talent not to see more 2 TE sets soon. And I would expect to see some of those sets motion a TE into the backfield. With the type of talent FSU can recruit CJF can almost do anything he can dream up.
by osceolafan2.0 on Jul 9, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You'd rather have a 2nd TE (Reliford/Little -- Sessions/Tye)
than a 3rd WR given our current depth there?
Or do you mean like 3-4 years down the road?
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
I think he just means in certain situations.
There is no formation that Fisher likely won’t try, and because of such, we may not have a true “base” formation due to the multiplicity.
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Way off topic but didn't feel like it is fanshot worthy
Ponder is getting some good hype and Tennessee has this going for them:
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2010/7/9/1560835/the-curious-index-7-barfight-2010
http://www.rockytoptalk.com/2010/7/9/1560660/seven-to-ten-volunteer-football
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Wow a cop beating
wonder how hard TN will come down
part two of the interview
this was just posted by HD a few minutes ago: http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/12345/qa-with-fsus-ponder-part-ii
Good to hear that he will be sliding more this season
I love EJ as a backup but I would love it even more to have Ponder play a full season while healthy.
Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole
I'm also glad to hear he plans on sliding more, but it is easier said than done.
With the adrenaline flowing, and in the heat of the battle, sometimes you can’t help yourself but to try to gain that extra yardage.
Just like EJ in the Gator Bowl, we were damn lucky he was not hurt when he turned his back to score the TD and took a good shot to the head. Usually when you play too cautiously is when you get hurt, but their is no reason to try to make a tackle when a shove out bounds works just as well.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I certainly held my breath
on that play. It looked much worse than it was I guess. I’m sure FSU fans the world wide took a collective sigh of relief when he shook that hit off.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
as a long time bucs and noles fan (noles part doesnt have much to do with this)
I always enjoyed watching jeff garcia run around and not be afraid to take a hit. Granted I always held my breath when he took the big shot and wished he would slide at times, but I think there is a fine line Ponder should learn. That being there are times when to get the tough yards and when to tuck it and slide. If he is going for a first down, touchdown, or to extend a drive I will have no problem with him taking a hit. It is football after all and thats why girls dont play the game
Actually
thats why girls dont play the game
It seems this statement is no longer accurate…
ha yea
i know im from tampa. we have the breeze and believe me there is some talent on the team. that statement was a more of a quote from the movie the replacements
Didn't
Didn’t Jimbo have a saying like, “First down, Touchdown, Get down!” for his running QBs? If it’s not a vital first down or a touchdown, you better get down. I remember hearing something like that when the great Drew Weatherford met the greater Brandon Flowers at VT a few years ago.
Makes sense
You’re right
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He's not as bad as Rix
But he does think he’s more Tebow than Dorsey.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Rix's legs were vital
especially since no one was shepparding his ability to read defense. He NEEDED to run, he was not given the tools to simply drop back and throw at a sophisticated defense.
Ponder needs to stop though, he lowers the shoulder on another beast on an INT return and I’ll vomit.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
UF doesn't go on probation. Their players head straight to jail.
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Ouch. I love you Bud, and I know you were only 8-years-old at the time, but...
…I’d love to see CP7 do what Charlie did against the gauntlet he played against in ‘93. If three of Ponder’s opponents end up in the coaches’ final Top 4 (FSU was #1), with none of those games played in Tallahassee, and with three others ranked in the Top 25 as well, then we can talk. And don’t give me ’90’s ACC this, where was the parity that nonsense – that’s 6 of 13 opponents that didn’t suck and doesn’t even include Virginia and N.C. State, two good bowl teams with winning records. So…
I guess what I’m getting at is, why, so often, does TN have to make its point by tearing down our own legacy, and in this case, so inaccurately, when there are plenty of ways to state our case that a) make sense, and b) reflect a little more highly on our rich football tradition that some around here still try to deny, partially in an effort to make our current situation look a little bit better than it is? We’ll get there, guys. And we’re all aware of the challenges that exist. And by the way, I know at least (every) TN editor knows that the recruiting sitch we put ourselves in during Ponder’s time had a little less to do with our principal rivals not being on probation and a lot more to do with the fools running the show around here in the 2000’s. See current recruiting trends in Tallahassee. We weren’t handed success on a silver platter in ’87, and no one is slamming poor little FSU into a corner now that we have to build ourselves back up a little bit. Our position is still the envy of as much as 90% of the college football world, as unrealized as our potential has been for the past ten years.
If I seem harsh, it’s because this practice remains ridiculous and is a black eye on a terrific FSU site.
by TRMNole on Jul 9, 2010 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Should have said Weinke with the competition statement, you're right.
Ward did play very good competition in ’93. I will edit that.
I do disagree, however, if you don’t think FSU’s rivals being sanctioned had something to do with the greatness. You’re taking the resources that were normally divided by three and now splitting them between two teams.
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I edited it and apologized to the '93 team
1993 was a difficult schedule for sure. Really interesting mix of horrible, good, and elite.
Duke, Wake, and Maryland were terrible. Kansas and GT were below average, at best. That UVA team and the NC State teams were average. Though Miami and Clemson were on their way down, they were still legit. Fla was on the way up and was a legit top-10 team, and Notre Dame was obviously elite.
You cannot include Nebraska in the discussion if you’re talking Heisman, because it’s awarded before the bowl.
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TRM, I could not agree more...
Bud, I cannot make you understand how much I appreciate you and the others that have developed and maintain this site. The amount of knowledge you pass to all of us is immeasurable. 99% of the time I am on board with what you have to say, most times not realizing so until after you say it. Also, MattD, thanks for the Stats 101!
However, I feel your repetitive reference to the main reason FSU came to power being that the two other supers powers of the state were on probation is totally inaccurate and based in taking credit away from what Bobby accomplished due to the joke he became in his last decade of coaching.
Both probations had short-term effects on each program. UF, while certainly down, was a bowl team by the late ’80’s (after finishing ranked 5 out of the first 6 years of the decade), and was finishing highly ranked beginning in 1990, then continuing through multiple SEC championships and one national championship in the 90’s. UM was at their best and by far THE best program in the country during the late 80’s/early 90’s. Not sure how that formula could have resulted in a launch pad to FSU’s success.
UM’s probation was not until post 1994, and by then, as previously referenced, UF was bad ass. UM, just like UF, was affected short-term. By 1999, UM was challenging us at home during our wire-to-wire year. We all know what happened from 2000 on.
All three programs won NC’s in the 90’s.
Our success should not be diminished by stances like this, because they just are not accurate. The Program deserves just as much credit for its unparalled success as it deserves blame for its inexplicable demise over the last 10 years. It seems that this is a situation where the blame is easily laid, but the credit is not so easily given.
I have wanted to say something about this for some time, but as someone who rarely posts but reads MULTIPLE times a day, I notice that if someone disagrees with a TN stance they get torn to pieces – and most times not by Bud but by someone who feels that Bud would need their protection in a debate when it is completely obvious that Bud does not need help debating anyone.
by HROB3 on Jul 9, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Oh yes it is
Frankly I am surprised he said it, but its true, we had our best runs following the probation of our rivals. It doesn’t mean we wouldn’t have gotten a lot of those guys and been good, but the few extra guys we got really helped put things away. You are kidding yourself if you say that isn’t true.
Just protecting Bud by the way . . .
JK, I have been a victim of Bud protectors too
Definitely know that it had an impact.
My stance was that it was not to the level that Bud mentioning it so many times lead’s one to believe, not that it had no impact at all. You’re right, I would be kidding myself if I thought it had no impact. Bud Protector!!! J/K
I don't want to imply that it was the driving factor
But I do believe all three teams in-state cannot be elite at the same time for a sustained stretch. The few extra elite players that Teams A & B get when team C is down really help A & B to be elite.
Also, someone brought it up that those programs were sanctioned FOR cheating, which helped them to be really good when they were really good. That’s why I abandoned the “Bobby was X-X against UF & Miami when they were not on probation” argument. Not fair to count losses against Bobby when those schools were cheating, yet not give the man wins when they were punished for said cheating.
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 9, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I rec'd TRM, I rec'd HROB3, and I rec'd Bud, not because I don't have my own opinion, but because the 3 of you made some great points I agree with.
I also agree that sometimes members will jump on other members who’s opinions differ from Bud’s and the general consensus, and unless that person is totally oblivious (which has happened on occasions), I think it is counter-productive, unnecessary, and sometimes overkill. As was said, I don’t think Bud needs help defending his POV, and I know he will listen to a differing POV because I have had some differing opinions with him even though I am part of his staff. In some cases, I have even had the honor of having him acknowledge that my point was valid, in some cases his argument was superior and I changed my views, and on some occasions we agreed to disagree. But I do know Bud will listen to opposing POV’s as long as they can be defended intelligently.
I guess my point with this keyboard heave is that everyone should feel free to express an educated opposing POV on any story, fanpost, and comment. And if that differing opinion doesn’t agree with Bud’s or the majority of members general consensus and train of thought, there is no need for a mob mentality attack or piling on, like some of what we have witnessed in the past.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I agree that we should not diminish our dynasty too much
But I do think that Bud’s point has merit. UF went on probation in the mid-80s (during some very good seasons from 83-85), when UM was having a good run (including the 83 NC). We were a solid 8-win team at the time.
A couple years later, though, during which we benefited from uf’s probation and likely (i.e., almost certainly) got a few players we otherwise would not have gotten (and they had time to mature a little), we exploded in 87 and finished in the top 5 a couple years running. By that time, we’d built our own momentum, and maintained it better than we had our 77-80 success. Would we have become elite anyway? Maybe. But I think the process was certainly helped along by uf’s probation.
However, big kudos to the coaches and players for continuing that top 5 run for 14 incredible years. Even Pete Carroll at USC (with a little extra help) couldn’t match it. Arguably, the addition of M. Andrews and others to the staff around that time helped propel us as well. So, I think Bud has some good points on this topic, but I also like the way you don’t want anyone to tarnish the dynasty – multiple factors were involved, and our guys did some great stuff in keeping us on top.
We would have been better when those programs weren't on probation had they not been cheating, exactly
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There wasn't a website in 1993,
probably because the few people who people browsed the ‘web’ back then browsed a text based web with things like “lynx”…
But, I seem to remember some sort of Charlie Ward for heisman campaign. Am I dreaming this? I remember “Charlie Ward for Heisman” T-shirts… I don’t think the school paid for it though— and I know Bowden has said that he didn’t want to do any promoting for it. I think it may have been done by a private organization of some sort.
I remember Warwick Dunn for Heiseman shirts I had one.
Not sure if they were made by the Uni tho.
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Your not dreaming
I proudly wore one of these shirts every game-day in 93. It read “You have to be 17 to win the Heisman” I purchased mine from the Semonole Club of Miami at one of our game watching parties at Marino’s in the Grove. Damn good times, except for the ND game.
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