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Florida State Practice Report 08.12.10

FSU cancelled the afternoon sessions of two-a-days due to rain.  That gives coach Fisher a chance to discuss the need for the indoor practice facility.  

From Andrew Carter

Sensational Fullback Lonnie Pryor talked a lot about Eddie Gran and how he is teaching the running backs. Pryor said Gran has done a great job helping the backs to understand the blocking schemes ahead of them. Sounds like the running backs and the offensive line are acting as one much more than they did before. It was a bit eye-opening to hear Pryor talk about such basic stuff as it if were new.

You'll remember that Dexter Carter was unqualified to be FSU's running backs coach and there were many on staff frustrated with his act.  Much of the improvement at Florida State this year will not involve the jump from competence to mastery, but from incompetence to competence.  That's true on the defensive side and with the running back coaching.

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From Florida State football coach Jimbo Fisher's perspective, they are a necessary evil; a time when he can best evaluate how players will perform - mentally and physically - under the most adverse conditions.

"The first five days really don't count," Fisher said, following the first of two Thursday practice sessions. "Now they're banged, they're bruised, they're hurt and we're going to find out who can play football. Everybody can play when they're fresh and healthy. ...

"We're going to find out who can endure, who can be counted upon; teammates are going to find out about the guy beside him and what he's about. So far, so good. We're getting there."

The Seminoles completed their ninth practice in eight days Thursday morning under typical August-in-Tallahassee conditions - hot and humid. Fisher said this is about the time in camp where his serious evaluation of players begins.

Any guys with excess bulk are now losing a bit of it.  

Sophomore running back Lonnie Pryor has been through camp once before, so in theory, he knows what to expect.

"This is the part where everyone's getting hurt, so we've all got to fight through it," said Pyror. "We're halfway there and he (Fisher) wants to see who is going to make it all the way through."

In actuality, there have been very few injuries to this point, but that doesn't mean the aches and pains haven't seized control of the mind and body. In some respects, camp is twice as difficult for Pryor, who has to learn the plays for the tailback and fullback positions. That's no easy chore when you can draw a direct parallel between the soaring temps and difficulty in the area of information retention.

"Honestly I can't remember the first (preseason camp)," said Pryor, who arrived at FSU last summer as a wide-eyed freshman. "I'm probably not getting yelled at as much as last year, so that's a good thing."

Pryor credits improved conditioning - he has added nearly 20 pounds of muscle over the past year - for helping him through the tough times.

Pryor is an excellent player because he does everything well, but isn't a specialist.  That can make it tough to get him the ball, but I'm sure he'll approach 100 touches this season.  

Sophomore free safety Jajuan Harley tells a similar story. Ill-prepared for the rigors of camp when he arrived last season, Harley never fully recovered after over-heating early on. It's a different story this time around, now that he has been educated on the importance of nutrition and hydration by the FSU staff.

"It feels very good," Harley said, noting the difference from a year ago. "It's just a blessing because my health was not up to par last year, but I've changed the way I eat, think and drink."

Harley said his daily routine includes pounding two gallons of Powerade prior to practice, while making sure to take enough water whenever possible on the field.

"Last year I played but I got worn out from the sun," he said. "I could run at full-speed but after that I was done. Now that I have energy I can just keep on going."

Like Pryor, Harley has added nearly 20 pounds to his frame by "just eating the right foods and approaching life better."

This seems like fluff on Harley.  I am still in wait-and-see mode with him.  Harley has always been one of the best athletes on the team but he's more athlete than football player at this point.  

Still, the Dog Days don't discriminate between the younger or older players.

"It's tough on everybody," said Fisher. "On the new guys it is because you don't have that wealth of knowledge behind you of what to expect every day, [or] the knowledge of what you're doing, as much as older guy. But that's camp. Camp is supposed to be tough."

Junior wide receiver Taiwan Easterling has reached out to FSU's young corps of wideouts in an effort to help them through the tough times. Easterling firmly believes the mental challenge of performing under duress is more difficult than the physical.

"You've just got to tell yourself you can get through it," Easterling said. "As an older guy who has been through it a couple times, we're trying to let the younger guys know we're all going to get through it. We're all tired so we're pushing each other."

In his own quiet manner, Easterling has embraced the opportunity to mentor FSU's younger wideouts.

"It's something I enjoy," he said. "I'm not very talkative, but in my segment I talk to the younger guys ... and let them know we're going to push through it; that we've got to be consistent each and every day and we're going to bring something to the table for the offense. When we get an opportunity, we've got to make the best of it."

The Jeff Cameron show also mentioned Easterling said this was the best Florida State defense he has seen in his time at FSU.

Collectively, the Seminoles will receive their first scrimmage test Friday afternoon inside Doak Campbell Stadium. Fisher will be looking to see which players have best-adapted to the conditions - physically and mentally; young and old.

"You're looking for the consistency from the upper-classmen and you want to test those young guys," Fisher said. "We're going to put some guys in some situations to see how they react to them and challenge them. ... We're still on a fact-finding mission."

Spend four and half minutes watching and listening to Coach Greg Hudson's interview here.

View the 28 picture photo gallery of today's practice right here.

 

 

 

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great stuff - very encouraging - thanks for posting...

each of these solid reports out of practice helps erase the difficulties of the fortson/carr/mcray/pressley situations

by 000111 on Aug 12, 2010 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Good call on the fluff

What’s amazing is that even the weight gains reported are now fluff. It’s the preseason; trust no one.

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Aug 12, 2010 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

New slogan?

TN: No Fluff.

more mayonnaise... lotsa' mayonnaise!

by PeachTreeNole on Aug 12, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Aug 12, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cross-training

I heard that Shawn Powell has mastered Jimbo’s entire O play book and can fill in as QB if Trickett goes down…. kidding.

Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....

by TLHWG on Aug 12, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love it
“We’re still on a fact-finding mission.”

So you can run and tell that, homeboy.

by Tubby Sweetbundle on Aug 12, 2010 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Rooting for Harley

I’m rooting for the light to go off with the kid. Lot of physical talent there and hopefully he can direct it into being a quality Safety. If he can’t do it I don’t expect him to be around long with the kind of Safeties we are pulling on the trail.

by osceolafan2.0 on Aug 12, 2010 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriously, though, it's rediculous

Michael Pollan throws out the stat that the average American eats ~240 lbs. of sugar a year.

I just lost 20 lbs. And I now WEIGH 240!

by the way, lost the weight by cutting out sugars and simple carbs from my diet.

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Aug 12, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better question:

Are the grammer police going to book you for saying,“is the grammar police?”

But maybe I’m off on my assessment of plurality in your terms.

by arrdub on Aug 13, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats a great point - and i think youre mostly right

it seems like in the more straight forward reading ‘police’ should be plural

but i was using ‘grammar police’ as a quoted example, in which case i should have placed it in quotes -

so yeah..you win…

by 000111 on Aug 13, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think your use of "the" in the phrase condemns you.

However, I agree with the notion that spelling is typically separate from grammar. Maybe the kids these days take it as all-inclusive…?

As for win/lose, you will note above that I clearly LOSE on account of 50% spelling rate with respect to “grammar.”

by arrdub on Aug 13, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

good stuff

and the irony is that i prefer to bifurcate the two b/c im heinous at spelling, but i used to think i was at least decent at grammar..

and at the end of the day, its all about communication, and we all understood what you meant by ‘grammer’…

by 000111 on Aug 13, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bifurcate to your heart's content...

…though bifurcating sounds like something you would do in private.

(Almost failed to include the apostrophe in “heart’s.” Whew. And then almost included the period outside the quotes for “heart’s.” Double-whew. Guess I need to quit while I’m ahead.)

by arrdub on Aug 13, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sugar is the enemy

I have lost close to 60 lbs. already by cutting out sugars and starchy carbs.

I eat:
 a lot of high-fiber leafy greens
100% stone ground whole wheat bread my wife and I bake ourselves
Healthy, lean meats like turkey and fish
Good fats from avocados and legumes

And I started exercising, which is a must.

Not only have I lost a ton of weight, but I FEEL great. My digestive health is better than it’s been in a long time.

by ScalpEM_TX on Aug 13, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good word

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by ricobert1 on Aug 13, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure if the stuff they drink is powerade from the bottles or a special mix

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 12, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bottled Gatorade is mainly high fructose corn syrup

Powdered Mix Gatorade is a Sucrose and Dextrose blend.

As far as best options go:

Dextrose > Sucrose (similar to table sugar) > Fructose > High Fructose Corn Syrup

Intranevous fluid is a dextrose solution. If they used HFCS your organs would shut down.

by The K-Man on Aug 12, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and the worst is Crystalline Fructose

Which is in your ironically named “Vitamin Water”

NBC: The More You Know……

by The K-Man on Aug 12, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting.

What else has that, fruit punch?

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 12, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not even sure.

I did forget to sandwich glucose between dextrose and sucrose, though.

by The K-Man on Aug 12, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Coke got sued for marketing Vitamin Water as misleadingly healthy.

Coca-Cola’s legal team is defending the company by saying that "no consumer could reasonably be misled into thinking Vitamin Water was a healthy beverage."

by NOLEinTX on Aug 12, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw that too

Yeah, Coke, because whenever I see the words “vitamin” and “water”, I think, “Man, that must be really bad for me!”

by ScalpEM_TX on Aug 13, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Intravenous Fluid isn't dextrose

A majority of IV fluids are either NS (normal saline, which is 9% table salt in a deionized h2o solution) or lactated ringers (a mixture of na+, cl-, k+, ca2+, and lactate).

There is a solution called d5w (or d5 half w), but it’s usually only used if your having metabolic issues.

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by CornNole on Aug 12, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i'm in over my head with the medical talk.

I was recalling a study I read where they swapped out the dextrose for fructose and things went awry.
The dextrose solution is for diabetic patients normally, or something.

Dr. Nick Rivera Fake Medical License Fail.

by The K-Man on Aug 12, 2010 7:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He is.

Some kinda wanna be doctor or some shit.

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---------------------------------------------------------
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."

by tricknole on Aug 13, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

So what would you recommend instead?

I never drink Gatorade and Powerades mostly because of the calories but what drink or dietary substance would you recommend to supplement the loss of potassium from intense workouts?

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Aug 12, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about Coconut water

Don’t laugh until you do the research fellas.

by CurtOFD78 on Aug 12, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

coconut water is probably the most legit

but all these electrolyte recovery drinks aren’t even needed at all unless you’re doing ironman type shit.

don’t want to hear it about these guys needing empty calories to maintain their weight either. better they a eat a jar of peanut butter every night and keep their insulin sensitivity in tact.

by rocknrollnole on Aug 12, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

what are the differences between the last 2?

I’ve always known them as the same thing… milk obv is squeezed from older coconuts when the water turns into meat…. but I’ve always drank straight from a coconut and called it coconut water.

by StM on Aug 12, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what is coconut water if it's not water straight from a coconut?

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by tricknole on Aug 14, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I work out at a premier MMA academy (we’ve produced 2 world champions now) and all of the fighters and coaches swear by low-fat chocolate milk after a workout.

by mhauer on Aug 13, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

No studies

just stories. However Protein, like why protein immediately following a workout is proven to drastically increase muscle recovery if taken shortly after a workout. Ask Drusso.

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 13, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

*whey protein

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Aug 13, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

wait - are you saying there are no studies supporting things like choc milk and coco water?

or do you mean there are no studies supporting the myths about ingesting whey proteins immediately after a workout?

by 000111 on Aug 13, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

why protein...why!?

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by ricobert1 on Aug 13, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I have been so full of fail

posting last couple days.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Aug 13, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

ANOTHER shout out....sweet!!

Low-fat chocolate milk is basically an extremely basic protein/simple carb mix that, taken immediately after lifting weights, staves off catabolism and encourages a positive nitrogen balance at the most critical part of the day.

I encourage younger athletes (H.S. & before) to drink 16oz of LFCM right after lifting. More advanced athletes should have moved on to actual protein shakes…they need more then the 16 grams of protein that a bottle of chocolate milk offers.

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Aug 13, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

but chocolate milk is just so mmm mmm delicious.

by mhauer on Aug 13, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

way more going on with milk

than just the face value protein/carb count. whole milk especially is crazy anabolic in a multitude of ways. “gomad” for young athletes is legit.

by rocknrollnole on Aug 13, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Careful though....

Coconut milk makes you poo… that’s a fact. Never eat too many coconuts if stranded on a desert island…. you can die of dehydration from the diarrhea. Not sure is coconut water is the same as coconut milk but that’s besides the point…. well…. it is part of the point, but now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

by HanzoSteel on Aug 12, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pickle Juice

Does not taste good, but no cramps

by CP7 on Aug 13, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

also good after a night of drinking

no hangover :)

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by stevegrizzle on Aug 13, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

my dentist just told me that Gatorade (any drink with the logical form X-aid)

is really high in acid—as high as soda, ergo bad for teeth, heartburn, acid reflux, etc.

Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....

by TLHWG on Aug 12, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

K-Man: I am the VP of the biggest executive helicopter leasing company on the western seaboard. I haven’t had a carb since 2004. Check these out.
[Points to ab muscles]
K-Man: See these? See these boys? This is what I live with, every day. I lather this up with Kiehls in the shower. You want to touch this shit?
Dale Doback: No.
K-Man: You want to touch these bad boys? Sorry, not gonna happen.

by fsu44 on Aug 13, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe Powerade Zero?

I don’t think it has the corn syrup but uses an artificial sweetener(Splenda?) for the sugary taste instead, I suppose 2 gallons of that would be better than the real stuff.

by karmanole on Aug 12, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would think

that they most likely mix it with water, or some other combination of extra vitamins or something along those lines. I know I always water my sports drinks down because i feel they are too sweet already..

by mmf07 on Aug 12, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's like a pound of weed and 3 8-balls.

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Aug 12, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Naw, just another weekend in Tally in the 80's.

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Aug 12, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know how you drink 2 bottles of anything before practice.

I realize you lose a lot of fluid, but you can also overhydrate and induce vomiting… but then again I’m not a doctor.

by FSUjab on Aug 12, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know about *TWO* gallons pre-practice....

…But I know I would make it my goal to drink about a gallon of Gatorade in between practices during fall camp @ FAMU. Tallahassee in August is f*cking BRUTAL….

Anecdotally—we never missed any practices for rain………what’s up with these pussies at the white college across the tracks???
:-D

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Aug 12, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harley must be exaggerating

he doesn’t need 2 ounces of that shit let alone 2 gallons.

by rocknrollnole on Aug 12, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is anyone a bit suspicious of the veins our guys have?

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 12, 2010 5:35 PM EDT reply actions  

are you joking?

I have veins that show after working out hard, and I’ve never touched anything illegal.

by NolenRyan on Aug 12, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 12, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those things would look like water hoses.

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by SoCalNole on Aug 12, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec for at least not using the dead John Holmes as your point of reference

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Aug 12, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really

With the shape these kids are in, it doesn’t.

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by CornNole on Aug 12, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thankfully...

…as long as these guys are around, we don’t have to worry about that.

by TRMNole on Aug 13, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

This sh*t plays hell on your system...

Group of friends had a Jersey Shore Season 2 premier party. People were downing these things left and right. Only two of us remember the whole night…

by Caveman Mafia on Aug 12, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alcohol /energy hybrids are one of the best/worst ideas ever.

Highly addictive and contain two substances that dehydrate. Great money maker, horrible for people who like to get drunk AND tweeked.

......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!

by Scalpemall on Aug 13, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I swear

I remember that it is not good to mix stimulants and depressants.

by nolestuff on Aug 13, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vodka and Redbull

just seems like such a great idea though

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by BS37FSU on Aug 13, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I tried that on summer vacation.

It might have been the nastiest stuff I have ever had my entire life. And I like alcohol.

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 13, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I tried it last Friday, and I agree

Pure D nasty….. Watermelon Flavored Old English 800…..

FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!

by goatnole76 on Aug 13, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHA.

that is about right. Imagine OE being sour and fruity and like biting into a sugar wheel. GROSS.

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 13, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone catch what Mel Kiper said?

A buddy texted me and said he was surprisingly high on us.

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by CornNole on Aug 12, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Said 7-1 acc I think with potential top 5?

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 12, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you get the feeling,

That all of the sudden ESPIN is saying nice things about the conference as a whole? I do not watch ESPIN until football season, but it sure seems that way. I wonder if it has anything to do with a certain new contract that we have with them?

by Jturner01 on Aug 13, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

still not on the zebrie train yet;)

but I wil admit, he looks monsterous in the pics, like seriously nothing I ever envisioned him at, from a physical stand point I’m impressed, still wanna see on feild results;)

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by jfree on Aug 12, 2010 11:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

fair enough

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by ricobert1 on Aug 13, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

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