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FSU Football 8.16.10 Morning Practice Report

Wow, I didn't see this coming. Redshirt junior cornerback Dionte Allen has voluntarily left the football team and been granted his release to transfer. Fortunately, just like in the cases of Carr, Forston and Pressley, the loss of Allen comes at a position in which FSU has sufficient talent, so this loss should not be devastating.  With Ochuko Jenije, and Xavier Rhodes battling for the boundary corner position, and Greg Reid so far looking like he has locked down the field side, Mike Harris might have to step up while Lemarcus Joyner bides his time waiting in the wings. So I'm thinking the loss of Allen, while surprising, does not have me too concerned at this time.  However, I do think we have gotten pretty lucky and dodged some bullets with the losses we have had so far, with the possible exception of Moses McCray.

This, on Allen, from Bud's Spring Position Preview

Dionte Allen is quite the unknown.  Rated the 40th best overall player in the country in 2007, Allen definitely has ability.  But injuries have hampered the 5'11" 183 lb Michigan native.  He redshirted in 2007 while battling injuries, battled injuries again in 2008, and played sparingly last season.  Foot and ankle injuries are a tricky thing and there's a big question as to how much those injuries have robbed of his ability.  He also had surgery on his hand or thumb (can't remember).  Allen is likely playing for his scholarship this year as FSU could take up to 6 defensive back recruits and there won't be much room for many bench-warming seniors in 2011.  I don't want to say that Allen can or can't play, because he just hasn't played very much.  Let's see what he does.  New schemes have a way of re-energizing players and highlighting previously unseen skills.

Seminoles Bounce Back For First Of Two Monday Practices

A fresh-legged Florida State football team hit the practice field Monday morning for the first of two workouts on the day and drew praise from coach Jimbo Fisher for its mental approach and effort.

"We came out and worked," Fisher said after the 2-hour, 15-minute session. "We had a day off so some of them got their legs back. ... For the most part the offense made some plays, the defense made some plays; we got better on some things."

Two practices removed from Friday's defensive-dominated scrimmage, the Seminoles made enough plays on both sides of the football to encourage Fisher, who has liked the way both sides of the ball have answered challenges. It is just one tool he uses when evaluating his players.

"If they get beat on one play, how did they play the next play?" Fisher said. "I'd like to see a little more than that.

"We're making a lot of strides, but we're nowhere close to where we need to be. The guys are working, they're taking to coach and fixing things. They're not making the same mistakes every day."

Sophomore tailback Chris Thompson was glad to earn a practice reprieve Sunday, both physically and mentally.

"It felt real good," Thompson said. "We were able to get our bodies back. Just having that one day off gave us some time to get into our playbook and study more and to get our bodies back into shape."

Quarterback Christian Ponder was sharp Monday morning, especially in the mid-range passing game, where he consistently delivered the ball with velocity and accuracy. At the same time, the secondary held its own, especially in competitive situations, sticking with receivers and consistently denying the deep ball.

"I really like our secondary," said Fisher. "Our secondary is making a lot of progress. They're really doing some great things. Up front we're really learning to play a lot more with technique. Our backers are running to the ball. There's a lot more consistency on defense."

One of those secondary players, senior Ochuko Jenije, has been splitting time between cornerback and safety.

"I have played corner for the past four years so it has been a learning process," said Jenije. "I am looking forward to learning and just getting the job done and just try to get a spot. ...

"(The coaches) want to win. They want the best 11 on the field. They are moving things around and working things around and seeing what they can do to get the best 11 on the field."

Defensive coordinator Mark Stoops' unit has made tremendous strides, which Fisher has taken into account when assessing the offensive play.

"You've got to remember, you've got a hungry defense that's got a chip on their shoulders and they're ready to play," Fisher said.

That, however, doesn't keep Fisher and the coaching staff from pushing for more.

"I was a Michael Jordan fan for this one reason: If he was beating you by 20, he'd want to beat you by 40," Fisher said. "If he was up by 40, he'd want to beat you by 60. ... It's a mentality. Don't say, `I know, we can turn it on.' No. It's every day.

"They've got to understand the energy level and focus they've got to come out play with every day."

Jenije said the team's practice attitude has a lot to do with the improvement.

"We are just trying to have as much fun as possible," said Jenije. "We have been having a pretty good fall camp but we are not there yet. We have a long way to go. We have still got three weeks before Samford. We still have a long way to go but as of right now we are doing pretty good."

Monday's morning session was a good example.

"They didn't hold anything back," said Fisher, noting that isn't always easy to do when you're scheduled for two practices in a day. "They were flying around, doing things and they've got another one this afternoon. ... I like that part of them coming out today and hitting the field."

Noteworthy:

Center Ryan McMahon and offensive guard David Spurlock returned to practice Monday. Offensive tackle Andrew Datko is expected back in action the next couple days...The Seminoles will practice Monday evening then return to the field Tuesday at 3 p.m...Friday is the annual Kickoff Luncheon, sponsored by the Alumni Association, at the Donald L. Tucker Center with doors opening at 11:30 a.m. and the program beginning at 12 noon. Tickets are $20 and available online at alumni.fsu.edu or by calling 850-644-2761.

Courtesy of FSU SID

To watch the videos, even the premium ones, go here. The 1st video is Women's soccer.  Click on 2nd video to watch the practice report.  Click #3 for full Christian Ponder interview (4:20).  Click #4 for full Jimbo Fisher interview (4:29). Click #5 to watch full Chris Thompson interview (5:22).

View the 31 picture photo gallery of the Monday morning practice.

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Wow

I thought Allen played decently last season (comparatively) until he busted his thumb/hand. Oh well. In with the new, and yes, one more scholarship freed.

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Aug 16, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Allen was t-14th in tackles in 2009

3rd behind Jenije and Robinson

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Aug 16, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

lmao

that movie was awesome

by Cee on Aug 16, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

that movie WAS awesome

but I think there’s something going on with the sight, because everyone seems to be double-tapping today.

by NolenRyan on Aug 16, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm voting coach fisher as zombie kill of the week

he killed a player by working him to hard see Dionte Allen

A)if its to soon to joke sorry
2) if its a bad joke sorry
D)the most important thing it made me laugh and its monday and work sucks

by Mr.Wolf on Aug 16, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not nearly as epic as my blackberry malfunction

when I sent 50 of the same email over and over again… (inside joke)

by fsu44 on Aug 16, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Dionte Allen was in line to make plays...

he was so highly rated….. another Dominic Robinson? Yohance Buchanan?

"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"

by BigSpearDiplomacy on Aug 16, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Good sign

Attrition is our friend.

by Fsued on Aug 16, 2010 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

ARP?

Wasn’t our ARP score at a dangerous level? I think we were within a few points of going under the threshold and facing penalties. With the loss of Fortson, Allen, and Carr, I wonder how that will effect that score.

by all_day on Aug 16, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carr is still on the team, albeit suspended, until his legal case is finalized, at which point he will probably be released.

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Aug 16, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously we've got some corners coming on strong

Allen didn’t think he could get enough PT with Joyner leapfrogging him in the lineup (just my own take on it).

by FSU PHD on Aug 16, 2010 3:48 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

me too.

As I posted elswhere, i wonder what our 2-deep at CB looks like.

more mayonnaise... lotsa' mayonnaise!

by PeachTreeNole on Aug 16, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

He wants to go where he will get significant PT and we want an upgrade at the position. It’s a total win-win situation.

Bring back Korey Mangum — a true Nole!

by SoCalNole on Aug 16, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not the most knowledgeable person here re: on our depth chart, but I would think

 
BCB= Xavier Rhodes and Ochuko Jenije are battling for the spot, and
FCB=Greg Reid, Mike Harris, Lemarcus Joyner.

Others that might contribute=Avis Commack and AJ Alexander.

Other CB’s on the roster=Darren Edwards, Eli Tatem

Other DB’s=Chad Abram, Terrence Brooks

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Aug 16, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some (Bud?) are suspecting Joyner is already pushing to be our nickel CB.

I think that makes sense; it’s protected on the interior of the D, so you don’t risk the deep ball as you would with the outside guys (in cover 3), but have his speed/athleticism roving the field on the interior.

While I would like to think Frank’s depth chart is accurate on the field and boundary spots, I wonder if there is any reason to think Harris will be more advanced in his understanding than Joyner in the role of FCB? Harris been at camp for a shorter period, so unless he’s been schooled in a Stoops-style D in CC, then it’s not likely.

Further on this point, I think I would guess Joyner is a faster learner than most; he seemed to be a high character kid and true student-athlete, based on write-ups during his recruitment. Shouldn’t we expect him to pick things up faster than a CC transfer?

by arrdub on Aug 17, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes Harris was in a zone heavy scheme and I've said all along will get early pt and push as the season unfolds.

I like his length and frame at BCB once he adds weight, but I think Frank is dead on that his understanding currently puts him ahead of Joyner.

I think we assume harris is very far behind the other CB’s but hes really right in the mix athletically.

I think he stays put until Joyner is getting more PT and thenmoves over.

"Don't bite your friends" - DJ Lancerock

by truecolors on Aug 17, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good insight.

What about the nickel? Will it necessarily be one of the 2nd team guys at the field/boundary positions, or would it be possible for another guy like Joner to be inserted/specialize in that role, while playing 3rd fiddle on the outsides? I think last year we saw that with Reid — he wasn’t the first off the bench on the outsides but seemed to be the 1st in at nickel. But that was Andrews… how will Stoops run things? Could we see something like:

FCB – Reid, Harris, Joyner
BCB – Rhodes, Jenije
NCB – Joyner, Harris

by arrdub on Aug 17, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like your line up, but have no idea. I would thnthink getting Joyner on the feild would be a priority.

It will be interesting to see.

Another thing to consider is that Joyner(unlike reid) is not known as a take-away guy either coming out of HS. Still he has all the physciall tools to play the nickle and clock somebody coming of the middle.

"Don't bite your friends" - DJ Lancerock

by truecolors on Aug 17, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being from Michigan, I'm really disappointed that Dionte never amounted to anything.

But, this is probably the best thing for the team. He was a constant injury risk and I don’t think he was going to see significant playing time anyway.

by seminoleballer on Aug 16, 2010 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Right, unless he wants to sit out a year.

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Aug 16, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seeing as how he is from Detroit, I’m guessing he might offer his services to Wayne State. He would see plenty of PT up there.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

by Dogrel on Aug 17, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHA!

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by Kelvin Hunt on Aug 16, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

They must have just made them premium, because I watched them. Money hungry bastardos.

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Aug 16, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I get for going 2 hours without refreshing.

I HATE subscription sites!

Bring back Korey Mangum — a true Nole!

by SoCalNole on Aug 16, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I figured out how to beat their system.

Click here and go thru the rotation to see all the video’s even the premium ones.
http://www.seminoles.com/allaccess/

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Aug 16, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

can't say im pleased about him leaving -

if nothing else he was a reliable contributor w/ a lot of game experience, and in a new system i had hopes he’d look a lot better than last year..

but…

by 000111 on Aug 16, 2010 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe it's a good sign he's leaving

At least in the fact that maybe the young kids were showing enough to take some of his reps and make him look elsewhere. Complete speculation on my part but I did wanna see him get more PT last year

by westcoastnolefan on Aug 16, 2010 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

joyner looks so tiny in those pads

he didnt get any exposure to weak coaching, hopefully he’ll progress well and maybe be ready to start on D next year?

noles, marlins, phins

by NorthernHaze on Aug 16, 2010 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Must have seen the writing on the walls

Wish him the best of luck.

Next year’s recruiting class is getting bigger and bigger.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Aug 16, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

So if a kid leaves voluntarily it still brings down a team’s ARP? That doesn’t seem right. Why should the team be punished for that? Did we take a hit when John Prior went home?

by Jbmfsu on Aug 16, 2010 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I love the positive spin people put on everything

Lets be real, it may be because of playing time, but Allen may also have left due to family reasons, grades, who knows. I am sure he still would have gotten playing time had he stayed. It is not like he can go to another big time school now and start.

by nolestuff on Aug 16, 2010 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

The positive spin is that he wasn't expected to be a big contributor (sure, probably a few snaps each game)

And now this opens up a scholarship for the 2011 class, which is essential in terms of rebuilding this program.

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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
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by tricknole on Aug 17, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

joyner

really does look pretty small in those photos, I was beginning to think I was the only one who noticed that. I know what an excellent player he is and everything but I’m beginning to wonder if his size may hinder him at all at the next level…

by FS4Nole on Aug 16, 2010 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd worry a lot more

If we were playing strictly man to man. He’s like Reid in his athleticism can make up for his height. If we ever play a WR who can use height as an advantage we’ll just double him or switch Joyner to the slot guy and run Rhodes or Harris at him.

by B-rod24 on Aug 17, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shorter than T-Buck but he's definitely not "small."

I would guess he outweighs Reid already. And from all accounts, he is extremely physical - and we have plenty of photographic evidence of the infamously long arms - so it shouldn’t be too much of a concern. Even if he’s 5’8, I have confidence that he’ll play as well as any 5’11 corner we’ve had in a long time. Doesn’t mean he won’t get beat by a jump ball a couple times in his career, but I think he’ll punish opposing QBs for testing him more often than not.

by arrdub on Aug 17, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed whatever God put in his muscle fiber makes him pound for pound freakishly strong.

He already hits like a saftey. With added weight I’d venture his speed and explosion make him one of the better open feild wood-layers on the team.

His arms are very long. so the height is not a concern.

And per the photo he can still add a lot of good weight and still be fast.

In the under armour game he defended a jump pass perfectly and was within an inch of the ball on a 6’6 reciever. That’s as good as an other corner will do with a perfectly thrown Jump ball to a guy that big… that’s all you can ask.

"Don't bite your friends" - DJ Lancerock

by truecolors on Aug 17, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Son, we'd like you to take all your official visits before you commit to us." -Jimbo Fisher

“But Coach, I’ve been in the program for years!” -Dionte Allen
“Same point. Look elsewhere.” -Jimbo Fisher

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by basaltrock on Aug 17, 2010 1:10 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

a bit off subject but..

im going to the boston college game this year, its my first game in tally, been a die hard fan for 20+ years and have never been able to afford to go or just never came down, whatever the reason i am so excited about oct 16th, i am sitting in sec 39, and was reading a post on here that said someone was asked to sit down in 39 at the game, is 39 a bad section for me to be sitting being that its my first game and will be going absolutly crazy? just wondering because i dont know if ill be able to control myself. i live i alabama and so ready to come down to tallahassee and watch cp7 lite up bc, and get a little payback!!!!go noles

if you dont got a spear.... DUCK!

by seminolekevin on Aug 18, 2010 2:30 AM EDT reply actions  

If it is your first game

just get there early and sit with students. They don’t sit down. Ever.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Aug 18, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, unless it's scorching hot.

And get there early to watch the team warm up and the band before the game. Worth watching if you’ve never seen it before. Also there’s been tons of flyovers lately.

MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
---------------------------------------------------------
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."

by tricknole on Aug 18, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

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