Why James Wilder Jr. Means Much More To Florida State Than Just A Top Recruit
by Bud Elliott on Aug 18, 2010 10:49 PM EDT
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As we profiled, James Wilder Junior's commitment means that Florida State is getting one of the best players in the country.
But it is even bigger than that. Aside from Jimmy Clausen, Wilder is arguably the most famous recruit ever. His highlights aren't just watched by recruiting nerds but by people in other countries. Wilder's college choice didn't just make the front page of Yahoo! Sports; it ran as the top story on Yahoo!'s main site (see photo at left). He is universally respected by the other stud players in the country. But for all his notoriety as a player, Wilder has even greater value for what he represents: a recapitalization of credibility for a 'Noles program that is without a winning record in its own conference over the last four years. Wilder represents instant respect for the future of the program. This is a player that nobody thought FSU could land just five months ago. Yet FSU pulled a kid who never saw Warrick Dunn in Garnet and Gold and who probably doesn't remember FSU's last national title. Wilder's commitment served notice to Florida that FSU intends to compete at the highest level. It's notice to the ACC that FSU is again getting players that no other ACC team can hope to land. It's simply a major announcement.
Some Florida writers will dismiss this as a lucky break due to a collection of circumstances. Perhaps, but when a break comes along a team must cash it in. When the opposing pitcher hangs a curveball, you have to hit that pitch over the fence. You just don't know when your next opportunity might come. Florida knows this all too well. Urban Meyer took over a loaded Florida program at a time in which FSU had a coach who couldn't lead and when Miami was just about to begin a rebuilding process. Gator fans can say that FSU grabbed Christian Jones and Christian Green last cycle because of a legacy connection. They can say FSU only snagged Wilder because he didn't believe UF would use him as a running back. Those all might be true. And they are certainly breaks. But that doesn't matter. What matters is FSU cashed in those breaks. UF just brought in what many are calling the best recruiting class ever. To claim that wasn't a result of momentum built and championships won when FSU was asleep at the wheel is preposterous. The 'Noles aren't getting an overabundance of breaks, but they have cashed in the hanging curves of late. Rivals will still win some battles, but UF will no longer be able to treat FSU like a handicapped kid on the playground that is Sunshine-State Recruiting.
Plus, calling Wilder a break is a stretch. Eddie Gran and Lawrence Dawsey worked night and day to land this kid. They simply out-recruited UF for arguably the biggest prize in the state and maybe the country. And the kid grew up a Gator fan. While other schools were going to allow Wilder to play running back, Dawsey and Gran specifically sought Wilder to play running back. Is there any doubt that Wilder sensed the genuineness in Florida State's pitch?
Beyond bringing a new dimension to Florida State's offense, Wilder should also help with some other recruits. Last year LaMarcus Joyner helped recruit for FSU once he committed. And recruits took notice of Jeff Luc's highlights. Combine the dynamic personality of Joyner with the freakish highlights of Luc and you have James Wilder's recruiting package he'll offer to recruits. Every prospect in the country will take note that Wilder chose FSU. Florida State isn't yet "back." But if other elite recruits jump on the bandwagon, it will happen sooner than many think. Look no further than defensive end Giorgio Newberry, who spoke to Reggie Eller shortly after the announcement.
FSU currently has 15 commitments. A stunning 7 are in the ESPNU 150. It's not inconceivable that FSU could finish with 12 players in the ESPNU 150. Florida State should finish with a tremendous class. The only limit on how high it can finish is the number of linemen FSU projects to take, as linemen are typically not highly rated. But Wilder, the biggest commitment Florida State has had in my adult life, should help to make sure that each recruit FSU takes is as talented as possible.
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Perhaps, but t when a break comes along a team must cash it in. Florida knows this all too well. Urban Meyer took
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Great read Bud.
We can only hope that JWJ sticks to his word and stays a Nole until NSD. This could and should be a springboard for our class this year.
by fsunole23 on Aug 18, 2010 11:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
After that production I don't see how he decommits without destroying his public image.
As for other prospects, I agree with Bud that this will have a huge impact for at least 3 years, maybe even more.
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by SoCalNole on Aug 19, 2010 11:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice article Bud!
I think Wilders committ means so much more than anything else – Ernie Sims was the best committ I have seen to FSU but he was a legacy but pulling someone who was going to UF and other reasons you mentioned makes this special and hopefully a milestone in the journey that Fisher & co. have embarked upon!
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One huge question...
Did Yahoo really run the Wilder commitment on their front page (not their sports section, the front page…!)?
That seems absurd. Is this really true?
That is simply unreal. (in a good way for us)
Why would Yahoo run a story on their front page of a football recruit committing to a school?
Unfreakingbelieveable
I wouldn’t say Wilder was the most famous recruit since Clausen (that honor probably goes to Terrell Pryor or perhaps Ronal Powell) but he is now…
Wilder is without a doubt more "famous" than Powell.
You may be right on Pryor simply because he delayed his announcement so much, but I don’t recall it being front page news nationally like this. Heck, I was watching the 6 o’clock news in the hospital tonight in Fort Myers (well, Cape Coral) and Wilder picking FSU was one of their stories. The anchor even made mention about how this was a big haul for Fisher and the FSU program. And while I could see Tampa news reporting it, nearly 2 hours south of there reporting it…in prime time?
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 18, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice offer.
No idea if I’ll be able to make it.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 19, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Screencap.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 18, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
BOOM goes the dynamite
Flood gates? I think so. I wrote one like this earlier, absolutely love Eddie Gran and Lawrence Dawsey.
I met a Gator fan tonight at a dinner
He couldn’t say anything back to my crowing about JWJ. This has been a great day to be a Seminole fan. After the lost decade it is so great to be excited again!!
Don't you know that any Southern Girl worth her salt is a football fan?
All the kids who play the 7-on-7 stuff
O’Leary, Steward, perhaps a few more.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 18, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Good to be back - I started my own practice and have been (and still am) very busy.
by NoleLaw on Aug 18, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
congrats man!
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by NoleThruandThru on Aug 18, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome!
Congrats
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 18, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Congrats NoleLaw and welcome back!
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I may know one or two who need a job haha
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by Jamil Dawson on Aug 19, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I Soooooooooooooooooooo
Hope you’re right and that he does
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Aug 19, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Should we just swing by his high school sometime?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
He's a Cane legacy
So I have my doubts
by westcoastnolefan on Aug 19, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Heard a rumor that his father hates the coaching staff
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
James Wilder could be FSU's Tim Tebow.
As much as Tim Tebow’s play on the field warranted attention, it was his personality off the field that made him legendary. It is largely because of Tebow that kids today grow up Gator fans. Although Wilder would have a lot to live up Tebow’s college football stats, he can start his campaign for FSU’s Tim Tebow by helping the Seminoles pull in a tremendous class in 2011 like Tebow did the Gators class of 2006.
17 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
It fits well because they both have public speaking issues
Tebow with his run on sentences and JWJ says “um” every other word.
I kid, I kid . . . but no seriously.
by truenole87 on Aug 18, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you know many 17 year olds who don't say "um" all the time in front of national coverage?
:)
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by NoleThruandThru on Aug 18, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Haha I'm just teasing the kid
I’m sure he’ll become a lot more comfortable with it as time goes on
I do it too, I'm bad about saying "you know"
and I enjoy public speaking
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by NoleThruandThru on Aug 19, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Same here
My wife always kills me about “you know”
One of Derrick Brooks' most common phrases was always ...
“like I say” ….. he is a MUCH better public speaker now
by Cigar City Nole on Aug 19, 2010 9:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
or "you know it"
ala BB (just calling it as I see it – no bashing)
or...
“Knowha I’m sayin”
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." - Samuel Johnson
Who is this guy?
Watching that video was one of the hardest things I’ve ever had to do. I cringed the whole time… ew.
I got that, believe me I'm watching all of the other ones now...
I love it, but i think i may hate it more
And I really hated....
how Waisome said he “took things other than football into consideration when choosing his school – like graduation rates and stuff.”
made us look bad.
Well FSU's have been awful.
It will get turned around, no doubt.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 19, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Into the Mouth of Madness
Diagramming a Les Miles Sentence
Works best when listening to the clip while attempting to follow the diagram.
Tim Tebow 2010.
Bring the hate.
Feed the beast.
by GoGators15 on Aug 19, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Yes I rec'd
a gator, but for those of you that skipped this, it is totally worth it. So funny.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 19, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
That is hilarious
Miles should have called for a time out….
by diablonole on Aug 19, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
could Les Miles possibly?
Sounds like he is getting ready for a run at politics? Congressman Miles?
hahaha
our program’s leader used to work for this guy?
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by NorthernHaze on Aug 19, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
This is unbelievable
I wonder what his pregame speeches are like.
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by NorthernHaze on Aug 19, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
No z?
Is the z key a TN exclusive, not shared by other sbnation sites? I feel sorry for them.
You have to be a member of each SB Nation site
for that to work. Otherwise you will just see their comments, you can’t see what comments are new or scroll through with the z. So if you want to do that, join them, if you dare.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 19, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Ponder does that too (umm and ahh), it is irritating to me, and I am going to call him out after he wins the Heisman.
Instead of focusing on another masters, he should take a public speaking course. My finance’ has offered to help him, and I said OK.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Let’s hold up on anointing Wilder as Dunn’s rightful successor. He has potential, but so did Booker.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Aug 18, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions
Bud didn't say that at all
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by NoleThruandThru on Aug 18, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone is anointing him as Dunn's successor, but his impact on the recruiting trail is undeniable.
Not to mention, he is a physical freak and could potentially but great at whatever position he plays. I’m excited to see him run people over from our backfield.
by RunninNole5 on Aug 18, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Booker had over 3,000 yards from scrimmage and nearly 3,500 all purpose yards.
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not listed on any nfl roster
could probably get a call though.
If he helps land Newberry and is the difference maker for Steward choosing us over Clemson...
I’ll annoint him as the Grand Poobah of all things related to Florida State Football!
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How or why did Wilder become so famous?
It’s not like he is the first kid with skills that had a dad in the NFL. I don’t imagine the country had a ton of Bucs fans when the Bucs were wearing creamsicle orange and had Doug Williams as their quarterback. As I understand it, he primarily plays RB at Plant, but the scouts for whatever reason seem to want to move him to LB. So what gives? Please tell me more.
The youtube runs.
And the pictures of his physique. If you do a google image search, you’ll see what I mean.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 18, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Imagine what he’ll be like once Coach Vic has him for a year.
by RoyalOaksNole on Aug 19, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Reminds me of
the Bo Jackson Nike commercials “Bo Knows”
Dem some P90X abs right durr
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by CornNole on Aug 19, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How come no one
ever post these kind of pics for our OL recruits:)
by CubFanRaysaddict on Aug 19, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I found a great one of Bobby Hart
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 19, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This his dad being an NFL'er also helped?
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He plays defense in Plant's big games
And is really special doing so. I think he’ll be quite good at either spot.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 18, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The character of JWJ.
Besides his measurables is what is going to help bolster the status of this class…imo
quick question
I know its extremely early, and I am definitely basking in the moment, BUT, how likely is it to stick? Do you all think we can get him to recruit for us? I want to avoid a repeat of the Elam situation. If he is recruiting for us, he is an active part of the process, he will feel invested, etc.
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I feel better about him sticking after talking to some folks.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 18, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Well thats good considering you have some reliable sources.
Any chance we can get you to elaborate a bit?
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I also think it depends on the season we have on the field
9-3 or even 8-4 and we are extremely competitive in the losses…..I see him signing. Another 6-6 or 7-5 season with a few blowouts (ie UF and OU) and I think he may reconsider his options. This is a knock at his character but frankly just someone examining all their options and taking the best route.
He says he is recruiting for us starting now, I hope it's true.
I know recruits say a lot of things but I feel like this is a kid who will stick and help us build a even more dominant class. That coupled with our coaches on the recruiting trail could create the perfect storm.
by RunninNole5 on Aug 18, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I will make a guarantee to you
You will hear an INSANE amount of rumors until he faxes his LOI into FSU or someone else’s office. People thought it was crazy the past few weeks? Wait til December and January.
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by NoleThruandThru on Aug 18, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He does not live with his parents.
JWJ does not live with his parents. He lives with a white family. He spoke of them in his speech at Plant. “Mama Rogers” (sort of a Blind Side situation) as he called her is the daughter of one of the biggest bull gators of all time. Even in that environment he picked FSU. He will stick. I assure you.
what?
Don’t tell me the rest of you havnt adopted recruiting prospects yet. Get with the program already. My 6 year old is interviewing Houston Nutt as we speak.
Also, I believe Plant has a game on ESPN Friday night
If it isn’t on ESPN its on ESPNU
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Rec'd
Nationally televised game. All Nole fans fire up the flat screen and enjoy some great high school football with a future Nole.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 19, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where will the game be played?
May be worth a road trip..I’m in central Fla
Man I hope this is a momentum builder as anticipated.
More eyes will be on our program now as more top recruits will become intrigued. We just have to take care of our side of the deal: Win. We don’t need a national championship or anything like that this year, but I still think recruits need to see some on field results to give them the final push over the top.
Last year LaMarcus Joyner helped recruit for FSU once he committed.
Small sidenote: I think Luc was the one recruiting for FSU after he commited. He talked about it in almost every interview. I remember Joyner saying several times that the coaches wanted him to recruit for the school, but he said he would not because that’s not his job.
Hmm. I thought Joyner was doing it behind the scenes.
Difficult to keep this stuff straight.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 18, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Read
Away from the fact that his announcement gave a lift to an already hyped soon to be season, this kid is genuine. I can honestly say I’m happy to have followed the FSU of old, but even more proud to follow the future of FSU. Its kids like Wilder, Jones, Green, etc that will lead us not only with talent but character.
by NyNole13 on Aug 18, 2010 11:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Here's a good Highlight reel done by the school I guess (PlantPanthers author)
by harper.rb on Aug 18, 2010 11:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Fabulous footage!
Gotta love that he lowers his shoulders to take on defenders and that he keeps churning his legs when they try tackling him high. I haven’t really seen any highlight reels like this where one guy seems to be moving piles of people all by himself.
Reminds me of this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF3mTHlcJnE&feature=related
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 19, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good call Bud..
but this is the first person that popped into my head after seeing JWJ’s highlight video’s
wow
i hate to admit i’ve never really seen campbell highlights — amazing
by Chris Gadsden on Aug 19, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
1:14-1:41 was just sick nasty.
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My favorite
The one that his jersey gets torn away. I think there is a Bo Jackson highlight when his jersey gets torn away.
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Campbell was the ultimate in power and balance.
At U Texas I remember that nobody had seen anybody quite like him and they couldn’t stop him.
I thought of Campbell because he would drag piles of guys by himself and had the mindset to lay the wood on the defenders.
That’s what JWJ’s highlight reel is — dragging and moving piles for extra yards and punishing defenders with collisions. They understand that a collision involves two opposing players hitting each other and they only question at the end is which one delivered the punishment and which one received it. They accept that tackles and collisions are a part of the game and don’t try to run away from that reality. They are open-minded enough to realize that the O players train and wear pads and a helmet just like D players and that there is no hard and fast rule that says the D player must always be the one who initiates contact and delivers the punishment.
First thing I thought when I saw Wilder's highlight film was Campbell
Really sad to have heard Campbell is pretty much mush now in his older years. What an amazing player
As an older dude, I like this one!
I thought the Eddie George comps were good, but I like the Tyler Rose comparison better!
I want to see us get the ball to him in the flats, mano y mano. Think he has that in his game, in addition to, isolation.
maybe some OJ simpson
or bronko nagurski
by B-rod24 on Aug 19, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nagurski was also a linebacker and running back
long ago when they played both ways. No, I’m not that old, but I remember reading an old newspaper story that told of his recruitment process. Supposedly, a college scout was driving through some farming country and he saw a young man pushing a plow without a horse dragging it. The scout asked the young man where the local high school was. The young man pointed the way to the school, with the plow. And that was how Bronko Nagurski received a college football scholarship. Let us hope that some some day they will tell the same type of stories about this young man.
WOW!
JWJ looks like Eddie George version 2.0. I think he is the next Greg Jones. Those highlights were incredible!!!!!! He’s 220 right now and I think he’ll play around 230 to 240 personally without losing any quickness or speed. This guy is going to be a beast!!! Man it’s great to be a NOLE!
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Aug 19, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
George always falls forward, very impressive
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by NorthernHaze on Aug 19, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I've always said he reminds me of Eddie George + James Wilder Senior
Not a bruiser like AD Peterson, but more of a power running back like his Dad
Hate to be a negative nancy
but every time I hear Eddie George’s name, I can’t help but think of how short his NFL career was. Another thing to consider. Do taller running backs have an increased tendency to fumble? The reason I ask is because Eddie George, Eric Dickerson, and AD all have fumbling problems. Maybe it’s because the ball is positioned at the same level as defenders helmets as they come in for a tackle.
Good questions
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 19, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Id much rather have a RB with a low center of gravity.
Has Jones-Drew’s fantasy football show started yet?
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by NorthernHaze on Aug 19, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
It also appears that
most great running backs have short legs compared to the rest of their body. This probably improves a player’s change in direction and acceleration, while sacrificing top end speed.
maybe my favorite football play of all time, because I hate shawn merriman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTbCtjX_y0w
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by NorthernHaze on Aug 19, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Eddie George had awful turf toe issues.
When I lived in Nashville, I was doing side work with a company who contracted with the Titans, and I got to meet him and the Titans head trainer. He said there were some days that EG could barely walk because of it, and there was nothing they could do.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
How short Eddie George's career was? Fumbling problems?
I’m very confused by your comments….if you look up his numbers, he played 9 years in the NFL, and was pounded into the line repeatedly by Houston/Tennessee for the first 8 of those years, undoubtedly shortening his career a year or two. In his 8 years starting for the Oilers/Titans, he averaged 342 carries a year.
As for fumbling problems, I grew up in Columbus, OH as an OSU fan(still am, just root for FSU as well, being a grad student here). He had a few issues with fumbles against Illinois(fumbling at the 4 going in and at the 1 going in). But, he had only 6 more fumbles his last three years of college, and in his NFL career, he averaged 3 fumbles a year(on 342 carries a season).
I don’t know about Dickerson or AD, but Eddie George was not a huge “fumbling problem”, so I would worry about that.
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
Thanks Mike
Good to know it is not a problem with them all.
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Not a problem...
I got to meet Eddie George a couple of times(his 4 years in Columbus matched my 2nd-6th grade years), and I had such different memories of him and his career that I had to do some research to make sure I wasn’t glossing them over because I liked the guy so much.
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
with good coaching
and a commitment from players to adapt to a different way of carrying the ball, fumbling problems can be taken care of.
I always use the example of tiki barber. During Tiki’s pre-tom coughlin days he averaged 9 fumbles a season as a starter. Coughlin was hired in 2004 and immediately fixed the way Tiki carried the ball. Despite having more carries during his three years under coughlin, he only fumbled the ball 9 times over that time span (and only 4 times during the last two seasons).
In reference to fumbling problems....
think he meant Chris Wells. LOL!
First off
In terms of productivity, Eddie George had a five year career. The years following that his highest ypc was 3.4 or lower. Its obvious his career was much shorter, in terms of production, because of his turf toe and ankle issues.
Second, I think you forgot to include receiving fumbles. In total he had 38 fumbles. One year he had 8 fumbles, 7 another year. He also blew the playoff game to the Steelers one year due to a fumble, in addition to his blowing the Illinois game.
On a more positive note, I have to say that his last three seasons, it appears that he corrected whatever he was doing that caused him to fumble.
Also, hate to remind myself of this, but Marcus Sims is another tall back who had a costly fumble.
Eric Dickerson and AP are fumbling machines. AP much less so. DIckerson often had double digit fumbles in a season.
Another interesting fact: James Wilder Sr. had 44 fumbles in his NFL career, including 10 in each of two seasons.
Actually the Titans won that one in OT
and Eddie fumbled twice in that game. BTW the stats above don’t include playoffs.
I'll add, can't believe no one's mentioned him yet.
He is the ORIGINAL big back. Same size, same number, even.
I thought of it but people would accuse me of being unrealistic to compare a HS kid to the greatest? player in history.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 19, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
As long as we're throwing other 10,000 yard NFL'ers into the equation,
I think the ceiling on comparisons is flexible ;)
I like this comparison
lets hope your a prophet : )
by Chris Gadsden on Aug 19, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
this is the first person
i thought of as well — even more after watching the clips
by Chris Gadsden on Aug 19, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Still makes me nervous after the whole Elam thing...
though I know Elam and Meyer had some kind of connection, so hopefully not the case here.
Elam's brother played for Meyer at ND and meyer had been tight with the family for years.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 18, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you watch the Elam "commitment" interviews?
He was not a happy guy. JWJ’s presser today was a different story. He’s already talking about how “we” are bringing in a bunch of other studs in this class to make “us” proud (I think from the Rivals interview?).
That's the one. He's like a girl trying to convince herself she's over some dude.
…but she clearly wasn’t.
I’ll take JWJ over Elam, anyway.
As for me and my own spurned-girl feelings, I’ll take JWJ over Elam any day.
Love this part:
I’ll take JWJ over Elam any day
10 bucks says JWJ one day trucks Matt Elam the way Greg Jones did Sean Taylor……
…And then Elam leaves with an injury, because all those steroids weaken your tendons.
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by DRusso97 on Aug 19, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
omg omg omg omg omg
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
by Johnathan Blackburn on Aug 19, 2010 12:05 AM EDT reply actions
Never reference a Miley Cyrus song
No fat chicks
by Volstud on Aug 19, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
BS
Always reference a Miley Cyrus song.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Aug 19, 2010 8:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
BUMP
And a Jay Z song was on and A Jay Z song was onnnnn
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Aug 19, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Now we see who the parents of tweener girls are
including me…
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
Any chance he plays both ways?
If G5 and LJ can play CB with a touch of offense, could JWJ play RB with a touch of pass rushing OLB?
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So tough to do at a position of collision (not contact)
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 19, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe in Jody Allen's system
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by NorthernHaze on Aug 19, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It says "Game on, we're coming back."
We’re — what, the #6 class as of the most recent rankings? Gotta figure this gives us a good boost.
Great writing Bud.
Nice statement and really helps put it in perspective for people of roughly our age. There’re lots of people who’ve accused you, either tacitly or outright, of being a debbie downer. If this doesn’t shut em up, what will?
Now TN is officially Optomistic Opie
but seriously, I am just excited that this is huge, and we can be realistically optomistic about the 2011 class being top 5
by DeaconO on Aug 19, 2010 8:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 19, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow! What a pickup!
Well, he definitely looks bigger and stronger than everyone else. I was wondering how much faster Coach Viloria can make him. He looks like about a 4.5-4.6 guy right now.
ESPN lists a camp 40 time of 4.77.
If he’s a legit 4.60 guy a year or two in at FSU, that’s plenty fast enough for someone that might be 6’2" 240.
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"Correct, Sir Trick."
He can be 5.5 for all I care...speed doesn't matter when you can drag a DT 10 yards
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by CornNole on Aug 19, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
We basically say the same thing, and I say it first, but yours turns green.
Lame.
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by tricknole on Aug 19, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
out of pity
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
by ricobert1 on Aug 19, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Call that a pity Rec?
got a lot of those in college….
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 19, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I feel like his blitz pickups are going to be ridiculous
Instead of a 200-210 lbs RB picking up a 240 blitzing LB, a 240-250 James Wilder will be waiting to deliver punishment.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
YES YES YES!!!!
What a bruiser he will be with another 20 pounds on him ala greg Jones! O>>>>>>>M>>>>>>>>>>G!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Aug 19, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
James Wilder will likely see the field at HB with Lonnie Pryor
Thomas and Thompson will likely lock down the RB positions, but as a freshman, I think JWJ will back up Pryor to start. Later on, might be a feature back in some situations or even line up at TE in some formations.
After Thomas graduates, JWJ will likely split time with Chris Thompson before being the starter for years to come.
My football savvy girlfriend playing the role of Debbie Downer
She says this will hurt us in our win totals this year. All the other ACC teams will be saying “we better lay it to them this year because there will be hell to pay for some time to come!” They’ll be gunning for us.
I told her to shut up and get me a beer…
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
by GonzoNole on Aug 19, 2010 9:18 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Teams have been saying that about is for the last 5 years
I ain’t skeered
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
FSU has carried a big, fat target since 2001.
Teams keep hoping beating us carries some weight. Look at USF last season. Even though we played terrible football, you could see the elation that they were beating THE Florida State Seminoles at FREAKIN DOAK! Still matters. And hopefully we can turn things around before it matters less. The decline has already begun.
That was a special kind of stupid.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 19, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone should do an article about going to FSU during the Lost Decade.
I started in 2003 and graduated in 2007. And, understand, I came up as an FSU fan (like probably most students who attended when I did) with Charlie Ward, Warrick Dunn, Pooh Bear Williams.
Basically, the purpose of the article would be, when were the worst four years to attend FSU as a football fan, and why?
So many horrible memories. Alas.
My freshman year was 01
we had just come from playing in the NC, lost but still… and we lost to UNC my freshman year. We lost to Miami. AND I had to deal with FOUR years of Chris Rix. And Jeff Bowden was the OC the WHOLE FING TIME.
It’s crazy that even with all of that, my freshman year in Sally hall was awesome.
I remember reading about that UNC loss in the paper and being unable to speak.
Wasn’t it like 44-9? It broke my brain.
that was the first game after 911
hard to swallow
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4 years of Chris Rix > 4 years of any alternative we had at the time
I really wish we could dispel the myth that what occurred was his fault and not the fault of coaches who failed him.
Yes, he had personal issues and he made some boneheaded decisions but he never improved because he was never given the instruction necessary to make him into what he could have been. I went to FSU from 2004-2007, I got to experience Wyatt “I’m God” Sexton and Drew Weatherford for the majority of my time there and let me tell you, I’d GLADLY trade that experience with someone who got to go to FSU during a 10 win season and experience two BCS bowls (despite everyone thinking our quarterback was garbage).
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
the coaching was not his fault.
Him being a complete ass and total tool, that couldn’t make it to his exam and Q did everything he could except throw the ball to himself…. yeah that was Rix’s fault. Can’t argue with you on weatherfrod
Ya missing an exam in inexcusable
But that was during his Sophomore year, shouldn’t doom his entire career.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
His dad was missing in Cali when he missed that exam iirc
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i remember a kid who laid his body on the line
While the rest of the offense stood around. Count the seconds he had to throw and compare to ponder.
by Ponder This on Aug 19, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ponder graduated in 2.5 years and is an academic all-american.
Never an incident off the field… besides positive ones.
I’m not a Rix basher or anything but there’s more than statistics to distinguish between the two.
I watched that game and literally almost threw up
And not just from the alcohol. I couldn’t remember the last time we had been beaten so severely. Not since Miami beat us 31-0 back in 1998.
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
That was the score.
Most bittersweet game of my time as an FSU fan, as I was watching it at Arnold Palmer Hospital while my niece was being born. I remember having to tell myself not to be furious because something great was happening. Still, on each one of her birthdays, I feel a small pang of hurt from that game.
Bring back Jeff Bowden...as a pińata.
by TheNole9Yards on Aug 19, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
That was my first year also
I was able to get a redshirt though and stayed one extra fall (2005) and finally was able to watch us beat ScUM after 6 consecutive losses
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That was such a great game
Was/Am in Tally and got to see that game. Pure awesomeness.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Aug 19, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember being out right by Vila Delano
on the street for hours after that win celebrating. Time to do that to UF this year, hopefully.
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The party will
last a week if we beat UF this year.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 19, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I was also a freshman in 01
and in salley hall
FSU Football: United We Stand
by stevegrizzle on Aug 19, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh waaahh waaahh
We went 7-6 3 out of 4 years I was here. Never beat Florida. Never beat Miami at home. Lost 3 to Clemson. Lost to USF, almost lost to Troy and Jacksonville State. I’d trade with you ANY time. I did get to see Bobby’s last game, which was cool. But other than that, nothin’ good.
by NoleFrenzy on Aug 19, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
same here...
06-10. But before this I had never been a college football fan much less to a game. Now I have a team to follow the rest of my life away from Tally! And one that can only improve :)
Yeah man
Us Melbourne folk didn’t have good luck at FSU. Worst 4 year stretch.
Florida State Seminoles
by basbalstr101 on Aug 20, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
And got shut out by Wake Forest freshman year at home
in the 50 degree rain.
Florida State Seminoles
by basbalstr101 on Aug 20, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Right there with you, man
We played Miami five times over four years and never beat those guys once. I think we also lost a homecoming game to Phil Rivers and NC State, if memory serves…
But at least we beat on UF pretty well during those years.
My brother was there
from 96 to 99…
I got there in 2001. It was bad for me compared to his time there (as he was there obviously at the peak of the dynasty) but looking back on it it is way better than say being there 2006-2009 or so. Even though FSU had brought in Fisher those years, being a student and going to games with the amount of games lost in Doak, would not have been cool. I at least got to see FSU beat the Gators in Doak.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Aug 19, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
yea we got to see Rix to PK Sam at the Swamp too
Back in my day it was Miami that we couldn’t beat, even when Greg would rack up 100+ rushing on them we still couldn’t beat them. What was up with our D never being able to cover their TE or screens to McGahee?
2010 The beginning of the next great decade for FSU football
HAHA
It wasn’t just him, it was every tight end they had in the 2000’s. Hasn’t changed, UNTIL THIS YEAR. HAHA. I hope.
That is awesome you were in the Swamp for that win. It is one of my favorite football moments not at Doak. Was in a crappy college apartment watching it with a bunch of friends. Right before the pass to PK I yelled, “Come on Rix, prove that you aren’t complete crap to the world RIGHT NOW!” We went effing ballistic.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Aug 19, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember going out in Gainesville after that game
There were no Gator fans anywhere it was all FSU fans partying in G-Ville. At least in Tally when we loose we still know how to go out and drink away our sorrows.
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You know it!
I went to see LSU play Florida in the Swamp one year with some gator friends. LSU won and it was an awesome game. The entire town SHUT DOWN. Even they, who had partied in Tally, recognized the lameness of it.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Aug 19, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude, that game was insane.
I was in the visitor section and you better believe I chanted “it sucks to be a Florida Gator” after that game while walking out. I have never seen a town die as fast as Gainesville did that night.
I've always said (when appropriate, at least)
“Ain’t it great to BEAT the florida gators! Ain’t it great to BEAT the florida gators!” It’s just to easy to change their “be” to “beat.”
I had it pretty bad
Started in 04 and got my masters this past spring. Never got to see us beat UF a student. The only competitive game was in 04 I think.
06
When Micheal Ray Garvin stepped out of bounds on a kick-return when he didn’t need to and Dallas Baker schooled Tony Carter. I think we lost that by 7-10 points.
Team GOLD
21-14 I think.
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1987-1991
Not exactly the point of this thread, but I thought I’d share. Came for the beginning of the dynasty. Some of the best wins and worst losses (heartbreaking). Wouldn’t trade it for the world.
My senior year, I rushed back after the UF game so I could stand outside my fraternity house with a broom. I celebrated the clean sweep of those clowns during my tenure. I remember waving it at the Gaytor fans as they walked to their cars. Obnoxious but fun.
I was there 91 - 93
I have NO idea what you are talking about :)
by Cigar City Nole on Aug 19, 2010 10:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Be careful
there are a special kind of stupid NOLE FANS that started a facebook group about rushing the field if we beat UF this year. I will literally cry if we embarrass ourselves like that. Some of our fans are idiots just like everyone else’ unfortunately.
So you think never rush the field ever?
I mean after 6 years of losing to our biggest rival it seems like it would be cathartic if we rushed after beating them. What’s embarrassing is the behavior of our basketball fans every time FSU beats Duke.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
We are not some low level school that has no shot at beating our rival ever
We are a program that was once elite and are trying to be elite again, rushing the field is simply embarrassing and if you don’t think ESPN would talk about THAT as much as they talk about the victory, you’re kidding yourself. It would literally be like us being the kid brother that beats his older brother at H.O.R.S.E or videogames ONE TIME and goes bananas all over the house. Its a rivalry, they aren’t our bully. We can celebrate in the streets of Tallahassee for a week for all I care, but no, its not okay to rush the field.
by truenole87 on Aug 19, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
HAHA.
I agree but one caveat. If UF is undefeated and I really don’t care how many wins FSU has, I might just do it. I don’t think rushing the field in itself is stupid but only when right situation calls for it (don’t take down the goal posts of course, that’s so 1990’s.) Rushing the field when you knock out the starting QB for a team that is struggling to be .500 in conference and the game is decided well before the final second? DUMB. Beating a team that is top 3 and undefeated on a 6 game win streak? I’m in!
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 19, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Only way FSU should rush against UF
is if it clinches an undefeated regular season
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
FSU should never rush the field ever
People rush the field way too damn much and if you are a team that has won a National Championship within the last 30 years you should be banned from rushing a field ever again. Not to mention it just reinforces the idea that beating UF is something that is completely unrealistic and unexpected, not something that should happen regularly.
Amen.
Rushing the field is beneath us, lost decade or not.
by Nole2005 on Aug 19, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well eff
it, i’ll do it myself. HAHA. Wont ever happen again I don’t think anyways. They bring all the cops N Florida has to offer to keep it from happening for big games.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 19, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
The big fat target slimmed down considerably ever since Wake Forrest beat us at home
30-0.
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
REC. I hope she made you a sam-which also.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
haha! And iron my jorts
Wait! I’m a Nole!
But that does get me to thinking…I wonder if there has been a significant jump in the number of arrest in Alachua County for domestic violence committed by people wearing jorts after the Wilder announcement?
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
by GonzoNole on Aug 19, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
When you say "Shut up and get me a beer"
Is it always in that order, or are there times when you would prefer the beer first?
Always in that order
You dont want her talking on the way to the fridge….
by FSUKook on Aug 19, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
yes......"you don't want her talking on the way to the fridge!"
i printed that and put it on the fridge at work -
the ratio of women to men in the office is 11-1.
hahahahahah!
Rec'd for "get me a beer"
You should see some of the things I say to my girl, publicly on Facebook……
: )o
Oderint Dum Metuant
Yes, a girlfriend with a sense of humor is must!
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
Congrats on a great pick up
But I am a little puzzled as to why you think FSU’s recruiting has been so off in the recent past. In the past 7 years, FSU has had top 10 recruiting classes 6 times according to Rivals.com rankings. Granted in 2007, the ‘Noles had a tough recruting year – by FSU standards at least (21st), which probably helps explain some of last year’s woes. But FSU has still been signing its share of the nation’s top players year after year. Greg Reid already showed that the Noles can still pull top players recruiting against UF and UGA.
don't be fooled by the stars
some of the guys get high player ratings and push the recruiting rank up, but they are hollow ratings because the kids either do not qualify academically or they have criminal problems and wind up at UNA. The rankings measure the standings on NSD, and many of the kids we’ve taken never see the field. Those are the scraps that we’ve been able to get.
There are likely to be some risky ones in every class, but Jimbo & Co. aren’t just looking for athletes, they are looking for man-players = guys with mental as well as physical skills and guys who have manned-up character wise.
Hey skigator
nice to see you away from that hole called Alligator Army. First off congrats on getting Waisome last night. He is a solid db pick up. Secondly I’m sure Bud or someone has links on Tomahawk Nation regarding our recruiting classes, but Andrew Carte recently went over the 2007 class. It is well know some of our former coaches were terrible recruiters and set our program back for years. Just read this article to see what happened to the 2007 class.
"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi
Look at our enrolled rankings
and that will give you a clearer picture. We have quite a few projected starters and anticipated contributors from our 2009 class. But imagine how much better that class would look today if kids like CJ Mizell, Willie Downs, and Aubrey Phillips had made it to Tally and performed up to their potential. Obviously Phillips made it but basically ate himself out of CFB. And yeah, we’re the one who got his signature
by westcoastnolefan on Aug 19, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Is there a site that has enrolled rankings?
It sure would be interesting to check out – for both our teams.
The fact all of FSU's DL is underclassmen should indicate that recruiting has sucked in certain areas over recent years
We only lost 1 player early to the draft too
Wants to live in a world where Batting Average goes the way of the Dodo!
by RaysnNoles on Aug 19, 2010 4:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll tell ya what struck me about this kid.
He thanked God (which is pretty standard these days) then the team moms, ducked for the first “gotcha” hat grab, then thanked his TUTOR.
I might be stretching a bit here, but that tells me a lot about the guy. He may or may not be an academic wonder, but he knows the value of and appreciates academics. And the moms! Translation? Character, character, and more character. I didn’t even have to watch the rest of the 10 minute video to know that I like the guy. And to know that there would be, most likely, about two more “gotcha” hat grabs before the real one.
And I like his not-so-subtle wit, too. The red and black garb for the Georgia announcement was fun.
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to see if I was dreaming last night. FSU getting Wilder is huge and recruits like him, Luc, and Joyner solidify in my mind that we are going in the right direction. I still am in the camp of “tempered enthusiasm” however. I know a lot has been made of kids not knowing FSU’s rich history, but I believe it’s not that bad out there in kid’s minds especially now that Bowden is gone. The kids may not remember FSU greatness, but their parents do. One of my sons likes Iowa because they wear the same colors as his favorite pro team the Steelers(we think he is a little slow up top) and my other son likes FSU because that what his dad likes(he is our favorite son). They both might waver back and forth on who they cheer for, but I constantly bang in their head how great FSU once was and why Daddy has had to take up drinking again the past few years. The history of what FSU once was is still there and talked about by everyone like myths. I’m not the only one either listen to any analyst when they discuss FSU or the famous players who have walked our hallways. Maybe just maybe one day we can once again climb to the top of college football and began to write a new chapter with all these great recruits. Getting Wilder is definitely a big step towards that goal and I’m keeping my fingers crossed. By the way both my boys can’t run 4.4 or shed blockers that well, but we still have 10 years to train.
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by 1newplayer on Aug 19, 2010 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
My 2-yr old son can say and recognize "Chief Osceola" and do the chop.
And he has been able to do that for about a year. Whenever we are driving and he sees the indian head on another car, instantly our car fills with screams.
My 4-yr old daughter has been fully capable for some time.
by NoleLaw on Aug 19, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My 3 three year old has been "Greg Reid" when he has a football in his hands for about a year now.
He asks to watch his high school highlights at least weekly also. Its ridiculous how quickly they pick this stuff up.
My 2 year old son..
Could do the chop and the Warchant before he could say “Daddy”! He’s training to start both whenever one of our gator friends come over.
by Noledskool on Aug 19, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hilarious.
One of my sons likes Iowa because they wear the same colors as his favorite pro team the Steelers(we think he is a little slow up top) and my other son likes FSU because that what his dad likes(he is our favorite son).
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I LOVE Iowa
Nicest people on earth. Iowa City is awesome, and watching football games Kinning stadium and Big 10 basketball at Carver Hawkeye was alot of fun.
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You think Iowa City is fun then you obviously haven't been to Decorah
Thats where all the excitement in the state is
I agree going to a game in IA City is a good time
Iowa is a nice place to spend thats for sure
if you like to relax and get away from things for awhile
I HATE that stadium
Might have something to do with running stairs there one summer while attending the Dan Gable Conditioning Camp
by Cigar City Nole on Aug 19, 2010 10:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was a Merton Hanks fan, so I don't mind Iowa.
Brother went to school there and says it was boring as hell though.
Ya if your going to spend a lot of time there
you will be bored as hell
nice place to visit but can suck living here
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QB – EJ Manuel
WR – Christian Green
WR – Rodney Smith
TE – Nick O’Leary
RB – Chris Thompson
HB – James Wilder II
LT – Rhonne Sanderson
LG – Bobby Hart
C – Bryan Stork
RG – Henry Orelus
RT – Dan Foose
DE – Brandon Jenkins
DT – Jacobbi McDaniel
DT – Demonte McCallister
DE – Giorgio Newberry
SLB – Christian Jones
MLB – Jeff Luc
WLB – Tony Steward
CB – Greg Reid
CB – Lamarcus Joyner
SS – Nick Moody
FS- Karlos Willams
Believe it. WARRIOR STATE IS BACK!!!!
by CCDFSU07 on Aug 19, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Any particular reason you don't think Werner or Hicks would start over a true sophomore at DE?
When Werner will likely be 290 by then? Not trying to start some bitter argument on this glorious day, but I think even Newberry knows he’s coming here to rotate with other players off the bench until his Junior year.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Definitely see Werner getting major PT
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 19, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Telvin Smith gets no love on this board sometimes.
I think he’s gonna be a badass.
The Funk Phenomenon.
by willdabeast on Aug 19, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Telvin will be good
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 19, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
He could use some nutrition/weight room work
I saw him at fanday and he was probably our skinniest LB.
He’s a funny guy though. Interacted with the fans very well. He was filming all the fans that came by on his phone the entire time.
Team Gold!
Definitely need to
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Did my post get spiked?
Anyhow I think Telvin is gonna get some major run in there as well I’m not completely sold he’s not starting by 2012.
The Funk Phenomenon.
by willdabeast on Aug 19, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No don't think so
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 19, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
UGA is definitely the most plausible fit for Drew....
but NOT the best!
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
How is it more plausible than FSU?
He grew up a Nole. He is from Thomasville,GA where we recruit very well & legends like Charlie Ward are from. Amp is from his school. He can still be active in his church. We are back. A ton more reasons. + Jimbo is recruiting him. He is going to be a Nole.
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
well but
sometimes it’s just good to get away… college is a great opportunity for that. Would love to have Drew in our class but the lure of something new is hard to combat.
He pastors his church
I don’t see that continuing at UGA but I think we have told him we would make arrangements for it to work at FSU and he has said it is a high priority
by freshcollegeboy on Aug 19, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I need to see classes on that lineup:
Agree with others that we need some more experience in that lineup. Don’t like two true sophomores on OL, in particular. How about:
QB – EJ Manuel (RS Sr)
WR – Christian Green (Jr)
WR – Rodney Smith (Sr)
TE – Nick O’Leary (So)
RB – Chris Thompson (Sr)
HB – James Wilder II (So)
LT – Rhonne Sanderson (RS Sr)
LG – Bobby Hart (So)Blake Snider (Sr)
C – Bryan Stork (RS Jr)
RG – Henry Orelus (RS Jr)
RT – Dan Foose (So)Garrett Faircloth (RS Jr)
DE – Brandon Jenkins (Sr)
DT – Jacobbi McDaniel (Sr)
DT – Demonte McCallister (RS Jr)
DE – Giorgio Newberry (So)Bjoern Werner (Jr)
SLB – Christian Jones (Jr)
MLB – Jeff Luc (Jr)
WLB – Tony Steward (So)
CB – Greg Reid (Sr)
CB – Lamarcus Joyner (Jr)
SS – Nick Moody (Sr)
FS- Karlos Willams (So)
I have to say I am still underwhelmed by the “star quality” of our OL. I know Trickett is the man but I just wish he could get top notch raw materials to work with. Hopefully winning will convince more kids to endure his program.
We'll be redshirting OL from now on IMO
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 19, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Will Tye will be a baller TE and will eventually get the nod
….based on nothing at all. Hahaha, I just think from what i remember of his days before FSU, he can make a killer TE if molded right
I saw that too
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 19, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont know about yall.
But I’m going to go to Bradenton on the 27th to see this kid play. Question on HSFB etiquette. Wearing FSU gear to the game advised? maybe buy a Panthers hat to go along with the FSU jersey? I don’t think it could hurt him seeing FSU fans showing support for the Panthers especially on road games?
And theres going to be a $10 BBQ tailgate :) Should be a good time and a great game !
Yeah,
Wear the FSU gear. Don’t be weird if you see him, just give him the chop. Doesn’t hurt letting kids know they have college fans waiting for them. Again, just don’t be weird.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 19, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL god no....
Just going to the game with the FSU gear on to support the Panthers and JWJ
HAHA.
Good plan.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Aug 19, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You should write "WE LOVE YOU JAMES!" on your naked chest
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
by GonzoNole on Aug 19, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL Gonzo
That worked for yoyu one time I take it?
It was the gold wig and the garnet thong that worked best
Plus lots of sparklies.
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
hahaha
I dont think theres enough alcohol, and if there was I would have to be brough in a wheelchair.
Yeah and you have to stay sober because we want a full report on the game!
Oh, and probably because it wouldn’t be a good idea to be drunk at a HS game. Legally speaking.
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
Very nice!
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
How ever excited ...
We have a legitimate reason, for the first time in a LONG time to be legitimately excited about an up coming season because of recruiting. When is the last time we had a recruiting ranking this high with position coaching to match the incoming talent?
Me and my buddies are already formulating plans to tailgate before his Sep 10 game against Hillsborough
Full on FSU gear.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Don't be weird or creepy but still take a lot of photo's of their cheerleaders and e-mail them to me.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Aug 19, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
As long as you don't give him gifts, you can wear and say whatever you ant.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 19, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Need to pin a note somewhere on front page:
“How to Positively Affect FSU Recruiting without Drawing NCAA’s ire.”
1st and 2nd rules should be, “don’t post on HS kid’s Facebook walls.”
You organizing a gettogether?
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 19, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Sweet!!
Long time reader, first time posting on TN.
Another indication of how “news-worthy” this is, I live and work in Colorado and my manager just asked me about the “big time recruit that FSU got”.
haha
I saw that last night. Unbelievable how many kids he’s got. I wouldn’t remember them all either. At least he knew most of their birthdays, definitely not their names though.
2010 The beginning of the next great decade for FSU football
They are all from different Women
Except 2 or 3 of them with his current wife
2010 The beginning of the next great decade for FSU football
The way it's shot makes it look like he has the legs of a midget.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Who wants a Ton of
JWJ highlights all in one place. ALL OF YOU!
AC put it all together on one page right HERE.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 19, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I want to see more of this!
When he is in Garnet and Gold !
BADABOOM ! 3 for 1 Special !
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
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by FrankDNole on Aug 19, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Is he married??
look at the ring on his left hand
by AntonioBromartie on Aug 19, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
its definitely on his ring finger.
His pointer finger has a state championship ring on it
by freshcollegeboy on Aug 19, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
"I promise to make it to the pros baby."
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Aug 19, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's been with the same girl since 7th grade.
Again, character.
by Rob_E on Aug 19, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Could it be one of the mic cords?
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
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love that the picture is from gatorcountry.com
by paperjames on Aug 19, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I remember a few months ago we were talking about how this class could lack big names since it was about line depth.
Now we are looking at bringing in the three of the top five players in Florida.
by marlins44 on Aug 19, 2010 12:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Congrats!
First time posting, wanted to say I believe the University has made great decisions with the coaching staff and the efforts are paying off. I’ve been reading this site for a year or so now since my wife is a ‘Nole to give her updates. Took my wife to the Champ Sports Bowl a couple years ago to watch FSU and we had a great time. I wish I could thank CJF personally for taking ECU’s def. coordinator away, we just can’t seem to beat those guys lol.
Anyways, congrats. I believe this is just the beginning for FSU. Good luck and we’ll be watching!
Welcome and thanks for joining. Please see my welcome message posted a few post up.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
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Interesting Handle
UCFBoilerNole…..UCF, Perdue and Florida State?
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Yes, that's correct.
I grew up in Indiana a Purdue fan because my father’s an alum. Basketball is the major sport there, though. I’m currently a student at UCF, and I’m married to a ‘Nole. It’s been a great ride. =)
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by UCFBoilerNole on Aug 20, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Forgive me for misspelling Purdue
Doh. First welcome to the Nole Nation! You have hit on the best site out there for good, fair information about FSU. There’s none better.
So as a Boilermaker fan, you must be digging watching Mr. Brees kicking some tail in New Orleans. He’s a class act. Watching him with his son after winning the Super Bowl brought a tear to my eye.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTfNoH1Hngw
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It's no big deal on the spelling thing
I was at the Capitol One bowl against UGA several years ago and they had signs that said “Per-who?” I really did enjoy watching Brees win the super bowl. That vid brought a tear to my eye as well. Hoping the new coach up there has them at least whuppin up on Notre Dame on the 4th if nothing else.
Thanks for the welcome. TN is an awesome site. Bud does an excellent job.
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by UCFBoilerNole on Aug 20, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
You spelled Perdue right.
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
LOL
Well…it is an agricultural school….
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by UCFBoilerNole on Aug 20, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
And engineering?
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Yes, Sir
A little Purdue trivia, the man who donated the land for the school, John Purdue, originally demanded that they name the school after him. (He’s also buried on campus.) Otherwise, it would have been the Indiana A&M University, probably nicknamed the Aggies like all the rest of the A&M’s out there…
My father got his BSEE from there.
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by UCFBoilerNole on Aug 20, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody think ...
a good James Wilder Jr. analog might be Sammie Smith?
Need some clips
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Can I get you anything else? ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9792-FrwxA
Going to Nolefans to check out his size, etc.
Clip at 1:24 looks most Wilder-like
Sammie was most likely faster and not as big, but probably closest thing we’ve had at FSU.
AHHH, guess what name just popped into my head — MARK LYLES! He was a FB, but very Wilder like.
Sammie was insanely fast for his size. I think he won the 100-meter state title in HS.
Also part of the NCAA championship 4×100 squad with Deion.
Who’s got that link of historic Seminole media guide info? It’s all in there.
But still
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxHxdqjUdjs
to run over 3 gouys at once….
You the man Fsued
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That guy is a stud
I can see some similarities. Wilder is nowhere near that fast, but both are pretty powerful. Wilder will probably still get bigger too.
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Sammie Smith was the MAAAN.
He’s one of those “forgotten” greats, but damn was that guy good. Big, strong, fast. I loved him as a kid
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
Sammie Smith
I was at the All American Bowl Game in Birmingham when Sammie ran wild against Indiana. I believe he was a freshman.
by MJC88 on Aug 19, 2010 4:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sammie as a freshman
Was 6-1 210 — before you scoff at that, remember, this was 25 years ago. Senior guard Jamie Dukes only weight 272 and — you’ll love this — a fellow named Odell Haggins was also a freshman. Haggins was listed as LB weighing the exact same as Sammie — 210 lbs. Soph. LB Paul McGowan only weighed 217.
By his Jr. Year, Sammie was up to 220 — probably 230-235 in current-year weight.
Lyles was a beast — he came in as a freshman at 6-4, 222. He ended up playing at 232 as an upperclassman. Lyles was truly THE most underrated Seminole in the school’s history, imo.
The Odell thing is crazy Fsued
Did you see that Wake tried moving a NG to linebacker, then had to move him back to NG at 255 lbs? He’s a bit bigger now but still.
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Even crazier
As a SENIOR, Ron Simmons — imo, the greatest Seminole player ever and one of the greatest noseguards in college football history — weighed 230 pounds.
I know someone who called Wilder "Fisher's Simmons".
As a recruit
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Wow -- that is HIGH praise
Simmons helped change the program in many ways — re-opened South Georgia to recruiting, dominated his position ….total stud.
If Wilder has even half the impact on the program, it’s a humungous get.
Every major recruit took notice yesterday.
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hey the draft is saturday nite at 6
SCALP'EM
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RIP John Wooden
Sammie was 25 years ago?
Thanks, used. Tremendous job in making me feel like an old man.
In all seriousness, I cannot believe it was that long ago…
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
He had his civil rights restored not too long ago.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Awful situation, broke my heart.
His daughter died and was run out of the league for fumbling (can’t remember the order, but in quick succession). Clearly lost it. I was glad to hear of him recently having pulled things back together.
The thing that still pisses me off was the mostly f*cking Turds (and some scUM's) Dolphin "fans" who started the "Sammie Sucks" chants and managed to get many other douche bags to join in after he fumbled diving into the end zone and costing us the game.
I know the group that started it because I sat near those sh*theads for many years until they fizzled out like the fickle fans they were. They slowly started not renewing about 10 years ago, and thankfully none of them no longer go to the games. They would go nuts and yell and cheer for Jarvis Williams (RIP) and Lorenzo Hampton just because they were Gaturds (and neither of those were all that great either) and boo Sammie just because he was a Nole, even before the 2 big fumbles.
Our little section which had quite a few Noles, got into it with them a few times (almost became physical one time) and asking those a$$holes how they could boo a player on their own team, because no matter what school he went to, he was now a Fin. Before long we started chanting back “Fickle, Fickle” whenever they started booing anyone and when they left the games early just to beat the traffic. It would embarrass them and piss them off, and we were hoping that they would start a fight one day. (I would have loved to kick their asses, especially after the Sammie Sucks disgrace)
The “Sammie Sucks” day was one of the most embarrassing moments in Dolphin history, and even though many reports say the whole stadium was chanting it, it was more like only 25%, but that is still a lot of a$$holes, with the rest of the stadium watching in shock at the total lack of class these scumbags were exhibiting.
Here are a couple of links about Sammie and that particular situation, if you care to read.
Ring of Dishonor-Sammie Smith
Sorry for the hijack, but this still grinds my gears, even almost 20 years later.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
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by FrankDNole on Aug 20, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Preach it, brother. Awful circumstances.
I figure you’re not going to like to hear this as a Dolphins fan, but I’ll throw Marino into the mix as part of the Triad of Horror that Sammie faced. Just worst case scenario circumstances for him. (I mean, besides the 220 lb 4.4 frame God gave him and the $ millions he got paid for it.) But still, it was so very sad to see a hero of mine go down like that.
I've come close to losing it whenever I hear someone boo a college player on the team they're rooting for
Some freshman shrimp had the gall to boo FSU heading into the locker room at the half a few years ago. I’ve tutored a lot of our guys in the past, so something inside me just snapped when someone started to bad mouth them like that.
Having said this, I’ll probably be most likely to be killed in a parking lot at a sporting event. And I don’t even really drink!
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Not drinking is your first
mistake in not being able to properly defend yourself at a sporting event. HAHA. I think I did boo during the Rix years but I can say I wasn’t booing the players. I was booing the coaches. Looking back on it, probably hard for the players to tell the difference.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Aug 20, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think an occasional boo is a lot more acceptable than completely trashing a kid on a message board like many do to Mangum.
I can’t think of a specific time, but I’m sure I’ve booed at a game before. I don’t think so much at a player, but maybe something like kneeing the ball before half instead of trying for at least a field goal. Or maybe if we just flat out sucked like in the Wake Forest reverse shutout game. Not both hands around my mouth booing til I pass out type boo, but more of the brief, defeated, I can’t believe I got my hopes up just to get let down by this shit AGAIN type boo.
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Ill be honest, I have never, and will never cheer for Crowder
He wasnt just a gate, he was a complete tool. I also have to admit that I feel redeemed every time he sucks it up on the field.
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Sammie
I have a signed Dolphin picture of Sammie. Bought it at a sports store for 2 bucks right after he left the fins. It says "To Alfie, best of luck, Sammie.
Whenever someone reads I just tell them he used to call me Alfie (my name’s Jim). I crack myself up.
Nice haha
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Brandon Willis
Sorry, I know this is not the right thread but thought you would find this interesting… Brandon Willis, North Carolina Freshman DT, Announces Sudden Transfer http://bleacherreport.com/articles/439257-2010-unc-football-freshman-dt-brandon-willis-announces-sudden-transfer
His mother died and he wants to be close to his dad.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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At this point, yes
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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According to Ira Schoeffel from Democrat
Coach Fisher’s phone has been blowing up since Wilder’s committment from other recruits.
by FtLauderdaleNole on Aug 19, 2010 5:08 PM EDT reply actions
That's good news.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Jim Brown , Earle Campbell , Eddie George , Fred Taylor
He is a running back of the classic mold. Tall, has strong strides, and just picks up yards. Nothing flashy, but when your gate can get you 2-3 yards… all you have to do is take a step and a half past the line and 99% of the time your achieving your team’s goals in the running game.
I think people get nervous with tall backs because their steps look so slow…but its not all that important if they know how to run in their style.
by Trus1te on Aug 19, 2010 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It's ok. Sesame Street trained us all well
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
JWJ committing reminds me a lot of
Alabama when they got Julio Jones and how it shaped their class and how they grew from that point on.
Another note: Can you imagine JWJ and Luc lining up in an Oklahoma drill anytime soon? Their might be a crater where Tallahassee once was.
Less than 1% of players make it to the NFL, but less than that gets a chance to be a NOLE!!! - Coach Craig
by P'ColaNole on Aug 19, 2010 8:00 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
One big difference:
Julio was a NSD decision. JWJ has another 7 months to recruit for FSU.
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by NoleThruandThru on Aug 19, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He looked good to me. Similar to FSU, faster than he is shifty and finished well.
"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran
Meant to put the "Give the guy credit" post as reply to your question
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
Give the guy credit. He won't quit on his dream.
“Originally signed as an undrafted rookie free agent by the Detroit Lions on May 8, 2009. Released by the Lions in July of ’09 and was signed by Minnesota on August 5. Was released by the Vikings following training camp and was signed to Houston’s practice squad on Sept. 24. Was signed to the Atlanta practice squad on October 21, 2009.”
Last night against New England – Late third quarter I believe:
8 Carries for 44 Yards. 5.5 Avg with an 11 yard run
2 Receptions, one for ten yards and one for three (Who knew he could catch?)
Apparently he’s making enough noise in the Atlanta training camp to most likely get the nod for the roster. Here’s some interesting stats from his Pro Day.
Antone Smith Pro Day
40 Yrd Dash: 4.33
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 31
Vertical Jump: 32
Broad Jump: 10’02"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.32
3-Cone Drill: 6.90
He ran a 4.33?!?! And the old staff couldn’t make this guy at LEAST an all ACC back?!?! To paraphrase Allen Ginsberg, “I have seen the best talent of my generation destroyed by foolishness.” Imagine what Coach Gran could have done with him. Or Booker.
I really hope he makes it. He and all the Noles who didn’t get on a roster and should have. The more I think about it, the more it bothers me. All I can say is that my hat goes off to all the guys who came to Florida State during the Lost Decade with high hopes, only to be squandered by the old regime. You didn’t complain and kept on trying, you suffered through the humiliating, often inexplicable losses, questionable calls, bad hires, dissention in the locker room and still played hard. You may not have been here for the change but at least you know that you will be able to return to your alma mater with your head held high. Because we’re in good hands now.
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
by GonzoNole on Aug 20, 2010 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Lorenzo Booker
could have been great with proper coaching. Still, after the Emerald Bowl, he stated that he wouldn’t have been at any other place than FSU. I will always respect him for his loyalty.
Wasn't our backfield at one point -
Book, Greg Jones and Leon ….. ?
Yes. Booker even voluntarily redshirted.
Came in the class with Washington.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Those 3 and Maddox were on the team in 2002.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
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