Pre-Season Blogpoll
by Bud Elliott on Aug 19, 2010 8:21 PM EDT
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PrintIt's here again. The BlogPoll enters its 5th year and is now hosted by our network! As someone who ranks teams based on on-field play, I typically refrain from doing any pre-season poll or early-season poll. This year, however, I did agree to do a pre-season poll while still refraining from polling in the first three weeks of the season (there just isn't enough on-field play at that point). The poll below represents my thoughts of the best teams going into the season. This is not a reflection of how I think teams will finish in the polls.
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| Rank | Team | Delta |
|---|---|---|
| Tier 1 | Alabama Crimson Tide | -- |
| Ohio St. Buckeyes | -- | |
| Florida Gators | -- | |
| Oklahoma Sooners | -- | |
| USC Trojans | -- | |
| Tier 2 | Texas Longhorns | -- |
| Miami Hurricanes | -- | |
| Iowa Hawkeyes | -- | |
| Oregon Ducks | -- | |
| Georgia Bulldogs | -- | |
| Boise St. Broncos | -- | |
| Virginia Tech Hokies | -- | |
| Tier 3 | Auburn Tigers | -- |
| Florida St. Seminoles | -- | |
| Nebraska Cornhuskers | -- | |
| Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets | -- | |
| LSU Tigers | -- | |
| Clemson Tigers | -- | |
| North Carolina Tar Heels | -- | |
| Pittsburgh Panthers | -- | |
| Tier 4 | Arkansas Razorbacks | -- |
| South Carolina Gamecocks | -- | |
| Wisconsin Badgers | -- | |
| Boston College Eagles | -- | |
| Penn St. Nittany Lions | -- |
SB Nation BlogPoll College Football Top 25 Rankings "
Inside, you'll find my thoughts on the tiers
Tier 1: The teams in tier 1 all have elite level talent and very few questions, compared to the rest of the lot. Bama did lose a lot of defensive players, but they return a very good offense and are probably the most talented team in the country. I'd still expect an elite defense. I included USC here, because the Trojans are still loaded and the sanctions won't play this year. All of these teams have a real shot to be national-championship good.
Tier 2 (Texas Longhorns, Miami Hurricanes, Iowa Hawkeyes, Oregon Ducks, Georgia Bulldogs, Boise St. Broncos, Virginia Tech Hokies): These teams all have either elite talent accompanied by some questions, or have good talent but lack experience.
Tier 3 (Auburn Tigers, Florida St. Seminoles, Nebraska Cornhuskers, Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets, LSU Tigers, Clemson Tigers, North Carolina Tar Heels, Pittsburgh Panthers): The teams in tier 3 are, in my mind, a small notch below the teams in tier 2. They either have less talent or have much bigger questions.
Tier 4 (Arkansas Razorbacks, South Carolina Gamecocks, Wisconsin Badgers, Boston College Eagles, Penn St. Nittany Lions). The teams in Tier 4 are a step down in talent from Tier 3. This tier really should include about 7-10 more teams, but I could only rank 25. I'd be quick to add Utah, West Virginia, TCU, Oregon State, and perhaps Arizona if given the chance to rank more teams.
Thoughts? I really don't like doing this one, but this is the last chance I'll have to do it until week 4.
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Gees bud, i think this is the most analysis/commentary i have ever seen you contribute to your preseason ballot. How will people get angry at you now?
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by Winfield Featherston on Aug 19, 2010 8:24 PM EDT reply actions
True nuf
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I think you are really underrating TCU
They return everyone aside from Hughes and Washington, and those replacements are definitely capable. Dalton is a 4th year starter at QB and they have some real weapons at RB and WR. I would put TCU in Tier 3, just outside of Tier 2.
Also, I can’t wait to watch Dion Lewis play this year. I’m not a Pitt fan but Lewis is one hell of a RB.
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by NoleThruandThru on Aug 19, 2010 8:28 PM EDT reply actions
Absolutely.
I left them completely off and did not mean to do so. Should be tier 2 or 3.
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miami vs fsu?
How does Miami get a higher tier than FSU when theyve played neck in neck the past few years. Miami has the same team and now FSU has improved in all aspects of the game, including recruiting.
by cerebralfish on Aug 20, 2010 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Miami has more talented starters and first backups
They are much more experienced and are not implementing a new defense. And Miami was considerably better last season.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm still struggling with this comparison, myself.
I assume that is a point in time assessment (beginning of year), rather than how you expect both teams to be playing by end of year?
What would you expect Miami/FSU to end up rankings-wise by offense/defense? To illustrate, how would you fill in these #s:
FSU O = #1-10
FSU D = #30-60
UM O = #15-30
UM D = #10-20
i'd say
FSU’s O top 5ish
FSU’s D top 40ish
Miami’s O top 15ish
Miami’s D top 15ish
The gap between Miami’s D and FSU’s D will be larger than the gap between FSU’s O and Miami’s O
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I think their O will continue to be limited by OL play.
They can’t seem to get that fixed.
Agree that, overall, they seem to have the edge… but i think it’s within a reasonable shooting distance. Given the pressure involved with a rivalry game, I think mistakes come at a higher clip, too — part of the unpredictability of these game. With the focus on preventing “mistakes” being QB, I think that is where we make up some of the difference and make this game more of a toss-up.
Miami being the better team =/= FSU having zero shot
I agree. FSU has the better QB by far.
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Understood.
I think there is also a difference between being the better team, and being the better team in a specific context/matchup.
Aside from the increased pressure (where I think Ponder shines vs. Jacory), Miami’s strengths are DL, WR, and RB… however, its lack in OL play seriously degrades the advantages of its offensive units IF A DEFENSE CAN EXPLOIT THEIR OL. If our DL can play substantialy better than last year and leverage this issue — which I think is very likely — and given that our new zone approach may necessitate that routes will need more time to develop, I think we can really force J12 into some mistakes.
On the other side of the ball, their DL unit also doesn’t concern me particularly because, (a) they have been poorly coached for years, with only 1 offseason to rectify, and (b) I think our OL is just going to be that good (especially in light of increased size/strength).
If you look at the Dlines who exploited Miami's line
Clemson and UNC and Oklahoma, our dline isn’t on that level and isn’t particularly close IMO. We have to be substantially better just to reach average. I do not see us exploiting their oline like the teams that did last year.
Miami’s DLine, while poorly coached last few years, is still quite beastly imo.
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Aren't they replaced 3/5 starters on OL?
But I think it would make sense to validate my intuition about their performance…. I’ll try to check out their performances vs. assorted opponents and see what it looks like.
I think it is 2/5
I don’t expect them to be worse, though equal might be accurate.
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Wisconsin
Bud-
The Miami OL got absolutely curb-stomped by the Wisconsin DL. Is the Wisconsin DL as talented as OU, CU or UNC? I’m not sure, but they sure made the Miami OL look like garbage.
VT also absolutely abused them and you left them off of your list.
VT was quite talented last year
No, Wisky is not that talented. I don’t expect Miami to be missing starters or be lacking in motivation for our game though like they were Wisky.
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Wisconsin
should be in tier 3 IMO. I would say they are better than Pitt and maybe Clemson. TCU over SC in tier 4 is also a possibility or PSU (didn’t they lose a lot of their players to the draft and graduation?)
at the lowest
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by NoleThruandThru on Aug 19, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
PSU should not be ranked
I think they’ll be the 5th or 6th best team in the B10, and definitely not good enough to be ranked. Their OL is a mess, and they’re debating starting a walk-on or true frosh at QB because their heir QB was doing so poorly. They’d probably miss a bowl without Royster.
by Mr. Tito Carlos on Aug 19, 2010 8:41 PM EDT reply actions
Whoa really? When did the walk-on news come about?
Wow
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Soph Newsome was supposed to take over for Clark
But apparently he was horrendous in the Spring, to the point that they talked about changing his position. Their only other options were a walk on (McGloin) and an EE. The walk-on was apparently the leader out of spring by default, and most of what I have read or heard focuses on they hope a freshman that just got to campus a few weeks ago can beat them all out by the end of the year.
That article talks about how the QB race is open. I’m fairly certain McGloin has looked better, and even if its true that they’re even, its incredibly alarming that the guy you were grooming to be the next QB of the team for two years can’t beat out a walk-on.
by Mr. Tito Carlos on Aug 19, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2010/08/05/quarterbacks_race_remains_unde.aspx
thats the link.
by Mr. Tito Carlos on Aug 19, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow. Just wow that could be ugly at Bama
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absolutely. I'm really looking forward to seeing what that line is.
And I’m jumping all over anything under 14.
by Mr. Tito Carlos on Aug 19, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Most think Joe Pa is too conservative to start the younger QB
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
As I said on Twitter
I like the Tier system and I don’t think we should run this thing until Week 4 or 5 anyway. The only reason the BlogPoll runs before that is because every other poll does I guess.
I think I’ve grossly underestimated Georgia in my mind, fwiw.
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Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to debut it October 1?
It would make more noise. “Hey, look at these crazy internet guys”.
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Yeah I’d be all for that. I mean CBS didn’t do anything with it. I’m sure SB Nation will promote it more. But the first 4 polls for it are always crazy and end up being about “HEY LOOK HOW SHOCKING I AM SO THAT I MAKE ONE OF THE AWARDS CATEGORIES.”
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I'm still a little sceptical about Miami
I just haven’t seen enough consistancy yet.
Of course, they always play great against us.
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USC Tier 1?
They lost 4 games last year. What’s different this year?
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How many teams have lost 4+ games and won the NC the next year this decade?
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Answer?
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Crazy talk.
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That's an amazing stat - BTW
What are the 5 teams?
(If you don’t mind – I’m lazy)
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
How many haven't?
Figure if you can answer a question with a question so can I :D
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
Really, what do you think will be different this year?
So QB instead of Fr?
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Absolutely. QBs make a huge jump between 1st year fr starter and 2nd year soph
Remember how much that team lost from 2008? They were decimated by graduation, attrition, etc. Still completely loaded.
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I will be very interested to see how Barkley performs this year.
Kid is GOOD
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Plus they have Monte Kiffen
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by stevegrizzle on Aug 20, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
UF did for its 2008
UF lost 3 before winning its middle-decade one
LSU lost 5 before winning its championship under Saban
Oklahoma lost a bunch before winning over us
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And Ohio State was 7-5 when it won its NC
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IMO the only thing USC has in its favor is that they're the best recruiting team in the last 5 years
They lost a lot of starters on both sides of the ball, they have a new staff, and they’ve already lost players because of the sanctions.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
So you mean they are tremendously loaded with talent
The new coaches are running very similar stuff to the old.
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Kind of
there is still a transition period that will take place with the new staff and they’re the best recruiting program but they’re lost a lot—more than your typical team in 1 year.
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I'm sorry
I have to say USC is tier 2. Just think you are a lil off on that one Bud. JMO
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Aug 19, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeaaaaaaaaah
Good call, good sir. Completely forgot.
Man. What a drag to be a USC fan, huh?
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No, they think they'll win a national title the same year they get off probation.
Seriously. They’re tards and I hope every Pac 10 schools hits that shit while they’re down (the next 6 years, starting in 2011).
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i think
texas and usc could possibly be swapped… both could even be considered kinda tier 2 teams in my opinion
Love the tier system.
Needs to be standard, but that would make life too easy and somehow take money out of pockets.
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Forgive my ignorance, nut why is Miami Tier 2 and FSU Tier 3?
Coaching? UM has more upperclassmen on D?
Even with the changes, I give the coaching advantage to FSU now. And I think we are every bit as talented as Miami although we may lack some depth in the D front 7.
Better talent in the 2-deep and not a new scheme
Our freshmen are much better than theirs, IMO
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I think Miami will be better than FSU this year.
Once our younger guys get up to snuff, and the team gets comfy with the coaching, it’ll be a no-brainer, but I think some of our fans underestimate Miami just because we went toe to toe with them last year, and we’re assumed to be “much better”.
Besides, even if we beat Miami this year, doesn’t mean we’re the overall better team. We were just better that particular day.
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Agreed. Have Miami lose Bailey, Harris, Hankerson
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Bud I am with you and Corn...
I cannot figure out why we have so many in our fanbase, posters here included, that grossly under estimate Miami this year. I realize the things that are being done/have been done there that have the program moving in a downward trend, but those effects are not being felt THIS year. Their D will be incredible, and their O will improve from what was a already good offense last year. Their skill players are off the charts. What are these people looking at? Combine that with us having to travel down there, and I am every bit as worried about that game as I am about the UF game THIS year. OU is the only game I am more worried about on our schedule. Yes, UF is a tremendously better program than UM, but THIS year I see no reason to think UF is more likely to beat us than UM.
I don't get it either
FSU is rebuilding. Miami is in its 4th year. They don’t have new coordinators.
I think it has to do with FSU playing them close last year. But that’s the wrong way to look at it. You have to look at both team’s entire body of work, which Miami’s was much better.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
And as you mentioned, they aren’t implementing new schemes, coaches, etc.
HOWEVER, I am more optimistic about playing Miami this year than I would be in a year where it was the Labor Day game. I think my EWP was 40% or so, and I stand by that.
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I think it has a lot to do with people looking ONLY at QB
Some see Ponder v Harris and think, Yahtzee
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I don't see any big problems with preseason or early season polls.
AS LONG AS the pollster is willing to make big jumps for teams in the first month of the season. Say I rank FSU preseason #23. They beat Samford by a comfortable margin. I’ll probably leave FSU there. Then they go to OU and beat OU. I could easily see me jumping FSU to #9 or so after that (depending on how the other September 11th big games go). But then if FSU loses to BYU the next week I’d have no problem dropping them back to #19 or so.
The only problem with early polls is people’s unwillingness to jump teams in the polls without one of them losing, even if the lower ranked team has played a more difficult schedule to date.
Also, will you do your poll based on who’s the “best team” or based on the “best record”? If that makes sense.
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by tricknole on Aug 19, 2010 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Precisely.
The only problem with early polls is people’s unwillingness to jump teams in the polls without one of them losing, even if the lower ranked team has played a more difficult schedule to date.
The coach’s poll is probably the worst at this; which is exactly why all the contenders schedule cupcakes everywhere. Something in this system needs to change. You’ve seen what tough schedules get us, and it could very well hurt us this year.
About UGA....
Living just west of Athens, I think I have a pretty good feel for the Dawgs. I don’t really see them as a tier 2 team this year, I’d probably go with tier 3. Although they return an experienced offensive line, the QB position is a definite question as well as the WRs who will compliment A.J. Green. The backfield is pretty solid with Ealey and King. The defense, though was terrible last year and like FSU is transitioning with new coaches and scheme. However, UGA’s transition will be more difficult than FSU’s, as they are moving from a 4-3 to a 3-4 scheme. They do have talented players, but I just could not put them in tier 2 if you are not considering the schedule (they miss Bama and LSU in the west and play out-of conference against ULL, Colorado, and Idaho State).
Defense wasn't terrible. Was a top45 defense last season.
They fired him because Richt couldn’t take the heat IMO.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough
Maybe it just seemed worse because of all the uproar around here.
Gotta watch the SoCarolina game
Look at the scores they gave up that were off UGA turnovers in their own zone
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 19, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about UGA, they never perform up to standards
remember that one year when they were ranked real high and supposed to have one of the best D’s in the country. I believe Florida hung over 40 on them that year, and they were average at best in their other games.
I can’t see them in tier 2, although they are in the SEC. I just think there’s a huge drop in coaching after UF and Bama ( i was going to say skill, but then I thought that wouldn’t be fitting). If UGA and LSU had better coaches they would be up there.
100% agree
First I hate UGA so I admit I am completely bias. But in my mind FSU and UGA are extremely similar with us having the major advantage of Ponder. Don’t see them being ahead of us at all. Equal, maybe but I don’t even think that. Again though, I hate UGA.
by nolejam9 on Aug 19, 2010 10:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think UGA does very much this year.
They’ll be very one dimensional. The breaking in of Aaron Murray will not be pretty IMO
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I disagree with Oregon...
no Masioli at QB, pretty bad off-season with suspensions and arrests…drop them down to the next tier. I think TCU and/or Auburn would be capable replacements
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Aug 20, 2010 6:58 AM EDT reply actions
I dont know
I think you are right for the most part.
ter 1
Bama, UF, Texas, Organ, Nebraska
Bama is Bama and Sabin is Sabin, Same for UF, Texas is a tough team. Organ is going to win the Pac 10 and Nebraska is back they were not a lucky team last year.
ter 2
OSU, OU, PSU, UGA,
m sorry but OSU I still think is over rated just like we were the last 8 years.
OU is going to look like the 2008 team I think and fall off at the end
PSU is prob the best team in the big 10 I think
UGA is good but to much beef in the SEC to fight with
Ter 3 (Its tricky
Miami, Vtec, FSU, UGA, TCU
All the ACC teams could fall in here but I think these are the 3 best. Miami and Vtec are going to face us in the ACCCG
Vtec might have a good Def but can the score points and Miami is prity balanced.
TCU might surprise some people but Im not sold yet
ter 4
USC, Utah, Boisy St, Iowa, GT
USC has way to much drama and I think Land is a joke. Best thing is his dad. And they lost a talent.
Utah will be a shock because they have good coaches but not the size.
Iowa if they want can be good but they are not good enough to beat other schools above
GT I dont know how they will be. I think the option will still work but the ACC should be better agents it. Its all about time with that
Point is the the ACC, SEC, and big 12 have to many teams in here and they are not all going to last because they have to play sooner or later
ACC: FSU
Big E: Cinn
Big 10: PSU
Big 12: Nebraska
Pac-10: Organ
SEC: Bama
top teams in there conf.
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Those 3 conferences are definitely stacked.
I have 13 from the ACC/SEC. Pretty nuts.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I Disagree just a little !!!!!!!!!
I think that Nebraska belongs on that tier 2, and Georgia belongs on tier 3. Or you could leave Georgia on tier 3 and definitely move North Carolina down to tier 4, beacuase if Greg Little doesnt play for them this year their offense is really gonna be horrible. Wisconsin doesnt deserve to be on tier 4 if your gonna have Miami on tier 2, I know you not going off of last season but Wisconsin really dominated UM in that bowl game, and Wisconsin returns a majority of that team from last season. I feel that they are gonna be a top 15 team this season. Eventhough UNC has one of the best defenses in the country I dont think they are gonna be a top 25 team at the end of the season, I feel Yates is not a very good QB, and Renner looked good in the spring but you cant judge off a spring game where the QB knows he’s not gonna get hit. We’ll see if he still stands in the pocket and makes those same throws when he starts getting rocked cuz that off-line aint the best either. I think their offense is just that weak………
This isn't about where they will finish in the final polls.
Why should Nebraska be above Georgia?
I get the Wisconsin argument, but you cannot judge this stuff on one game. Miami was the better team last year despite the loss.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It was how Miami got beat by Wisconsin
They manhandled them to the likes of “hide your women and children because this is gonna get that ugly”.
1 game.
Whole season > 1 game.
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USF sure crushed our OL last year
Think they were a better team? I don’t
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Im not looking at this a a preseasopn poll
Wis is going to be good but OSU and PSU are going to own that Conf. Un less you can beat them it doesnt matter. At least in the Big 12 you have 3 teams that can fight it out like the SEC. That is the thing with the ACC and the SEC the teams are closer to each other. Also I just think Nebraska is going to be the best team in the big 12. I think OU is going to be like there 2008
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