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Florida State News & Notes 08.20.10

With all the excitement of the James Wilder announcement, it's easy to forget that Fall camp is going on both in Tallahassee and around the ACC.  

The Noles went to see a movie last night.  Coach Fisher rented out the entire theater.  But first, FSU practiced in the heat as they prepare for Saturday's scrimmage, but not in full pads.  That's customary before a scrimmage.  Christian Ponder and E.J. Manuel were held out yesterday as a planned precautionary measure to rest their arms.  Clint Trickett earned and took all the first-team snaps as Will Secord was out sick.  Coach Fisher was pretty pleased in the last two days with both sides of the ball playing well (as opposed to one side making a play because the other side made a mental error).  The scrimmage can't get here fast enough as both sides have been really getting at each other.  It will be interesting to see which players play in the scrimmage, how much the young guys get in the mix, and who will be held out for precautionary measures.  I predict the defense will again do quite well as FSU will hold out two offensive line starters.  I do not, however, expect 3 or 4 turnovers returned for scores.

"We're just trying to get them to understand and get comfortable in those situations," said Fisher, who served up a heavy dose of clock management, end of half and end of game situations. "They're going to make mistakes for a while, but they're not making many. I like their attitude and they're competing well against each other.

"They're getting real chippy with each other now. I had to stop it and tell everybody to quiet it down and play ball again. I'd rather say `Whoa' than `Giddy-up,' I promise you."

"Coach Fisher really wanted to put us in situations that we are going to be in for real," said Smith. "We're trying to get people to think under pressure and know what to do under pressure. It's been a more competitive two-a-days. We've been getting after each other more. We shake the offense and the offense puts something on us every now and then, so it's more competitive."

And it showed.

"Things are real competitive out there," said redshirt junior Terrance Parks. "We are going head-to-head, with good athletes on both sides of the ball. We are all going 100 miles per hour, trying to compete, so of course some tempers can flare up."

Fisher wasn't overly bothered by the occasional flare-up.

"They're getting competitive," Fisher said. "When one guy gets a play on (another), they start chirping, then the other one chirps. ... That's what good teams do. They take pride and they don't want to lose. That's the mentality you have to have. You have to be able to do it and still have discipline and be able to process what's going on mentally. There's nothing wrong with that. Now if it gets you out of your mind, you've got to stop it.

"You've got to do it with discipline and intelligence."

For more, you can turn to Seminoles.com

Here's more evidence that Xavier Rhodes has seized the boundary corner spot and is now playing more safety for Nickel Packages:

With projected starting safety Nick Moody sidelined, Ochuko Jenije has been getting the lion's share of repetitions with the first team defense. "Jenije is in there doing a great job," Fisher said. "Jajuan Harley is finding some roles in there. ... We're getting a lot of chances to look at a lot of guys and you've got to. We've got to have that depth."...Fisher said he expects to have offensive line starters Andrew Datko and David Spurlock back next week...

Moody might miss some time with that injury, so Jenijie, Harley, Demps, or Bright need to be ready to go early on.  As I have said all year, the important thing is to be healthy for the conference season because FSU isn't in contention for anything nationally.  This is a great report by Andrew Carter.

Everett Dawkins revealed that in this year's strength program:

"this year they are on us about working out.  We did lift last year, but they weren't on us about going in there and lifting weights and not just chilling.  Now you have to go in there and actually have to do stuff."

FSU Strength & Conditioning:  now making sure players do stuff and not just chill.  Bowden needed another year?

Inside, notes on the Noles and FSU's opponents!

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Bill at Scalpem has his season prediction out.  I pretty much agree here.  Somewhat shocked he used percentages!

This is an excellent look at Wake Forest by TomRob (who I think also comments here) at Chanrtant.com 

The Clemson experts at ShakinTheSouthland have their season prediction out.  I think the conclusion they reach (8-4, 5-3 in conference) is quite solid.  I have some issues with their predictions in individual games (@ BC being only 5% less likely than Wake Forest and equal to a home game against NCST).  8-3 (5-3) seems right for Clemson.  

BCI takes a look at what the MWC moves could mean for the ACC.

Florida has lost two 4* recruits from its last class.  Could either transfer to Maryland?  This likely means UF's haul is no longer in the "best of all time" discussion.

The 12 ACC writers of the network got together to give our pre-season predictions.  FSU is projected to finish second behind BC in the Atlantic.  Va Tech is picked to win the Coastal.  Ponder is projected as the ACC POTY.  The ACC DPOY is a tossup between a few players.  My picks were FSU, Miami, Ponder, and Allen Bailey

Arrington Jenkins, a very talented linebacker with all kinds of grades issues named FSU his "by far leader", with Oregon, Alabama, and Auburn following.  He'll commit during the US Army All-American Game.  FSU wants the kid whether he qualifies or not:

"Yeah I was at the FSU camp. I think I did great. I went there last summer too so I have been there before. I loved everything about the visit. From the campus to the school to the coaches. I talked to coach Fisher, the linebacker coach, pretty much the whole staff. Coach Fisher was asking me what I like about the school and stuff like that. I spent a lot of time with him."

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Jenkins?

Man, I am real suprised to see that we want him that bad, From everything I have read he will be a for sure no go. JC at best.

Good stuff as always!

by Jturner01 on Aug 20, 2010 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah i dont get it either

from what i’ve gathered he’ll be lucky to graduate hike skool

by TheSituatioNOLE on Aug 20, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

But after "Hike School,"

He says he wants to go to a “really good business school.”
East Mississipi CC may just be the place.

"There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese." -- Coach Finstock

by BigSpear on Aug 20, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, *Skool. Almost misspelled it. :)

"There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese." -- Coach Finstock

by BigSpear on Aug 20, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

hahahaha!

Great movie.

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'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley

by Nattylite on Aug 20, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it's JC then FSU would likely place him.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

It seems like a good strategy to me

They don’t waste a scholarship this year. Place him and see if he gets his stuff together. It seems like the Smiley/McCloud combo are going to pay dividends.

by PSLNOLE on Aug 20, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

I was wondering what was the thinking behind the staff recruiting a grades risk like Arrington. We’ve obviously emerged as the leader for his services and from all accounts he can really play

by westcoastnolefan on Aug 20, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right

I consider it to be like “taking a flyer” on a kid

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by ricobert1 on Aug 20, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Bowden

I’m sick of him popping up in my daily reads for whatever public speaking event he’s at. Seriously, I’m tired of it. Go away. You knocked over your lego castle, go home.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend but few understand." - Wes Westrum, Mets Manager

by NoleCC on Aug 20, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

The end of last season showed all of their true colors as far as I’m concerned. Ann piped up with all of that garbage about FSU needing them.

Obviously not.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend but few understand." - Wes Westrum, Mets Manager

by NoleCC on Aug 20, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of...

My wife made me watch a new show the other night called, “Glades”. It is being filmed all over South FLA from Tampa Bay area to Miami. Figured I see some of my old haunts. Guess who had a cameo appearance? Yep you guessed it…ol’ Bobby.

by Noledskool on Aug 20, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly

I thought Bowden did a better acting job than most of the actual actors in that show. Pitiful.

by NoleFrenzy on Aug 20, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I didn’t see the whole episode, but I saw the clip with BB. I thought he did a pretty good job, all things considered (better than he did in the 80s on that Burt Reynolds show).

by Invictus13 on Aug 20, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Evening Shade"

nm

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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 21, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what it was!

Burt’s poor “son” (on the show) was just too small to make it at a big time program like FSU…

by Invictus13 on Aug 21, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember the Bobby episode

came to recruit a prospect with a low 40"s time, and turned out to be a girl. A very cute girl.

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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 21, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think so. And like the commercial for “Jimbo Fisher’s Noles” that f’ing features BB for half of it (hello, idiot marketing department, it’s over. Stop pissing off those of us that were ready to move on and stop pissing off everyone that wishes Bobby was still around… it’s lose / lose), I’m sure it will be promoted constantly.

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by NoleCC on Aug 20, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's up TRM!

Been a while :)

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by Nattylite on Aug 20, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

'Sup bra!

Yeah, I never get to post as much as I’d like. But I’m always lurking. Hm, read that again but not as creepy.

by TRMNole on Aug 20, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the chippyness (that is a word now)

There was NO reason for the defense to get into it with anyone last year during preseason. The great thing about it is, when they play other teams that same mindset will be there. Ultra competitive and instead of it going toward each other, opponents will have to deal with it. I love how competition on both sides of the ball makes a better program.

I read some of the Maryland blog yesterday. Outside of them possibly getting (maybe already got one?) the UF players they look to be in for a rough year.

For those that haven’t seen it, check out the Alabama preseason camp that was on ESPN (It reruns quite a few times). There is no doubt in my mind Fisher runs his practice like his mentor. Outside of practice Saban is genuinely uhhh, creepy.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Aug 20, 2010 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Saban's remote controlled office door

Cracked me up.

Btw, someone mentioned Julio Jones cruising in a blue Escalade on the show? I only caught the second part to last nights episode.

by CSI Nole on Aug 20, 2010 9:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I did notice a tricked out ride

at one point but didn’t see who was in it. I’m recording it at a later date to make sure I got everything.

one of the players: “I hope later in life I get to have a remote control door.”

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 20, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Love the door

Talk about a control freak. Guess it works though…

My favorite part of that whole thing was the motivational guy from IMG that is on staff. When he was talking to the players about how everything comes down to decisions they make today will affect where they are tomorrow. I was ready to suit up and play!

by BossNole on Aug 20, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

that door was awesome…..just from the standpoint of having complete control. I am “The Saban”…..master of my domain.

by 30yearnole on Aug 20, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes....

D. Hightower had an Avalanche, I believe, and McElroy a new Range Rover.

by vegasnole on Aug 20, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

They actually do

It’s something Fisher is working on doing. Setting up really nice internships for players that have to do with their major. Something we were negatively recruited with for the last few years.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah gotcha

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oops, I meant $3k / week. Hell even I made more than $3k a month as an intern.

It is nice to know that Fisher is working on real internships though. That should go over well with many moms and dads and help to eliminate that negative recruiting point.

by NoleLaw on Aug 20, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think you'd find a single college kid that would pass up $3K/month.

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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
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by tricknole on Aug 20, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very true

I only make 1200 a month in college

by FSUFEARTHISSSPEAR on Aug 20, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only?

That’s not bad. I probably only made like $4K my final year in school working a part time job (not including “tips”).

MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."

by tricknole on Aug 20, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

G.I. Bill?

I only ask because thats how much I will me making when I start using it in Jan.

by FSUKook on Aug 20, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope I work at a lawfirm

When I said only, I meant compared to 3k a month.

by FSUFEARTHISSSPEAR on Aug 20, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aren't there NCAA restrictions on jobs for scholarship athletes?

Not sure what they are. It’s good that Fisher is working on the summer job problem, not that I knew it existed.

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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."

by tricknole on Aug 20, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

They can have internships during the summer I believe

This is stuff LSU had as early as 2000. FSU doesn’t have it a full decade later.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

All the LSU players from New Orleans that I knew came back to town in style. They still do. Some players have so much stuff they just give it away. Dudes went from having nothing, to giving stuff away. It’s crazy. Can’t believe FSU was behind in this area TOO. My goodness…

by 504Nole on Aug 20, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool

Think he has a trap door to drop unwanted visitors into a shark tank?

"Lock up your daughter, lock up your wife, lock up your back door, and run for your life" - Bon Scott

by SeminoleMike on Aug 20, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

with laser beams strapped to them, no doubt.

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 20, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

FIRE THE LASER!

Christian Ponder: Your favorite quarterback's favorite quarterback.

by Jamil Dawson on Aug 20, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

With

Sharpened sticks duct taped to them.

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 20, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are they ill-tempered?

Bring back Korey Mangum — a true Nole!

by SoCalNole on Aug 20, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hightower

My old college roomate has a daughter who attends UA and she got a ride home from Hightower in a Land Rover or Range Rover and she told her Dad that Saban bought it for him.

by nole34 on Aug 20, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I caught the tail end of that show last night.

Thought it was awesome. All the players live together in a dorm. No way. Who woulda thunk. And they had a “nanny” come by at a certain time to each room looking for the players making sure everything was “lights out”. (Not saying completely restricting the athletes is best, but during certain things like camp I like the oversight, and just the general of control that it gives about the program.)

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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."

by tricknole on Aug 20, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

absolutely

that was great. Really need to get all our guys in the same place. Build whatever it takes. I got 5 on it (5 dollars).

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 20, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

More evidence that there is intensity in practice that hasn't been there the last few years.

It is unbelievable that a D-I college program let their players simply “hang-out” in the weight room. That sounds like my work outs…

by FSUjab on Aug 20, 2010 9:47 AM EDT reply actions  

The comments about the weight lifting...

About how no one basically checked on them and they just chilled… that sounds like a rag tag high school program. We did that stuff in High School because all of our coaches were basically volunteers and couldnt be there.

The more and more I find out about it, the state of the program under Bowden just kills me. Ugh.

by TimScribble on Aug 20, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

If that makes you mad

I’m just curious about how you feel towards the defense not even having a playbook last year?

Yes, that happened.

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by Nattylite on Aug 20, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I read that.

My dad is an old FSU fan and Bobby B diehard. He drives me crazy with wanting him to stay another year, etc. He wont even listen to me when I tell him about the playbook and such. “It’s about loyalty”…etc.

What a sad state FSU had become.

by TimScribble on Aug 20, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Be glad your dad is an FSU fan, or even a football fan. . .

We don’t all have that luxury. And my mom and my stepmother went to UF, so quit yer b**chin.

"There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese." -- Coach Finstock

by BigSpear on Aug 20, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bud

where do you find the time? Great work as usual. You know I like to take you to task for some of your assertions so here’s another. Luck and injuries go hand in hand. Good teams find a way to work around injuries but more often than not teams that at least have a chance to play for it all are lucky that they don’t have the type of injuries that expose a weakness or flaw that others exploit. While true the FSU isn’t currently in the discussion for anything nationally, that could change in the blink of an eye. How many of those current top teams are going to tumble? How many surprise teams are going to show up on the radar? We don’t know the answer to that because luck, injuries and several other variables that can’t be factored into a graph, chart or program aren’t accounted for. That’s the thing we love/hate about sports. How many times a year do we collectively say no way that team should have won that game.

by 30yearnole on Aug 20, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

You are absolutely right

When Oklahoma beat us for the NC in 2000, they did not lose any starter for any game the entire season.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Overall- OU

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Soon to change

FSU already has better depth at QB & OL, and better depth “potential” at DB. Give Team Jimbo 2 more classes and this roster will be SICK

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Aug 20, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It'll be sick in just 1 moreyear

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good news! Jimbo was talking about controlling luck although he didn't say it in those terms.
Luck and injuries go hand in hand. Good teams find a way to work around injuries but more often than not teams that at least have a chance to play for it all are lucky that they don’t have the type of injuries that expose a weakness or flaw that others exploit.

Good coaches and teams work to control their own luck. How? By adding depth. If you have depth, then you don’t have a weakness or flaw exposed by injuries. All of this cross-training stuff not only teaches the players where their teammates will be and and gives the coaches to evaluate players at different spots, it adds depth to minimize losses due to injuries.

There is some luck involved in the way the odd-shaped ball bounces and with the possibility of having an elite player (like Bradham) injured, but for the most part a lot of the “luck” can be controlled through depth and consistency. Hats off to the coaches.

I suppose the cross-training also gives us some options to disguise our looks. Say for example, Stoops has Jenije, G5, Frank, and Rhodes in the defensive backfield at the same time. He could send a corner blitz and still have corners in coverage or he could just let Rhodes and Jenije play safety for the down and drop everyone back. I don’t know if he or Hudson have coached that way — putting in unexpected lineups for downs and what not or if they have had kids talented enough to do that. Just a thought. I’m rambling and need to get back to work.

by NoleLaw on Aug 20, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The cross training is smart

However, if you’re loaded with talent, you can allow your players to specialize and not cross train. For a team that lack’s quality depth, it makes a ton of sense.

I do expect to see some exotic nickel looks to save our front-7 depth.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya know the whole - Bob Stoops knows Mark Stoops who knows Bob Stoops who knows Mark Stoops, etc., etc. debate??

One thing people don’t mention is what ideas and looks Hudson might be contributing to Mark Stoops’s D. Out of the shoot, we’d expect Bob Stoops to have an advantage because of Mark Stoops having limited time to implement a full array of exotic packages. But I wonder if Hudson is making some contributions of his own and how much input he has into Mark Stoops’s planning.

Some of our DEs are roughly the same size or maybe only slightly bigger than several of our LBs. So I am thinking there will be options of mixing those guys up a bit as well. Something like lining Mister Alexander or Christian Jones up as a DE and dropping them into coverage or showing a 3-4 look with Werner, J-Mac or McCloud, and White up front and Bradham, Williams, Luc, Jones, Alexander (pic 4) at LB and then sending 4 or 5.

Anyone know if Moody has practiced at LB at all?

by NoleLaw on Aug 20, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet he will make some influence from Hudson

There will be a lot of zone blitzing because our DEs can cover people fairly well. But the question remains: how much can he implement in that period of time? No doubt there will be use of edge guys as you describe.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

any chance

Mister Alexander puts his hand on the ground at all?

by B-rod24 on Aug 20, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, in some passing situations.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you know if Moddy has been spending any time at all at LB?

I just think we’re pretty thin there. If a couple of them get injured, we’ll be paper thin.

by NoleLaw on Aug 20, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't believe he has

If he has, I’ve not been told of it.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moody's injury is very unfortunate

A groin injury is the type of lingering, nagging injury we can’t afford to have at the Safety spot. Luckily he won’t have to play much man to man, that’s where groin injuries really hurt your performance because they limit your ability to change directions quickly.

by FSUPhi1584 on Aug 20, 2010 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

So if Rhodes becomes a clear-cut starter by the end of the season

will they move him to safety next year in order to start Joyner and Reid at the corner spots?

Team Gold!

by garnetandgold on Aug 20, 2010 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I personally hope not

You need a big corner starting. Like someone said in the 2012 depth chart thread, Rhodes has more “long term” potential than any other corner on the team. These coaches seem to be cross training like crazy

by westcoastnolefan on Aug 20, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

No I think you'll see Joyner battle Greg Reid

And FSU will be playing a lot of 5 DBs against all the teams that will be throwing to try and catch up.

Rhodes is a 1st/2nd/3rd round draft choice type. He’s big and is really improving (played WR in HS). He won’t be moving.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good

I think Rhodes is going to be a great corner. I just assume they will do what they need to get the most talent on the field at once. I guess playing nickel D will do that too.

Team Gold!

by garnetandgold on Aug 20, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

With the spread offenses in today's college football

You need at a minimum 3 good corners, so no need to move Rhodes.

by Quentin C on Aug 21, 2010 11:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Someone ought to do a list of running Fisher metaphors for the players.

He’s used fish before—something about not throwing them back, keeping them in the live well.

Horses now. Creative quotes.

"There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese." -- Coach Finstock

by BigSpear on Aug 20, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

TWSS

Christian Ponder: Your favorite quarterback's favorite quarterback.

by Jamil Dawson on Aug 20, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing we're not hearing about any of Jimbo's camps:

“It was just ok.”

I think I’ll credit Bob Lacevita and JImbo and Co.’s ability to connect with kids.

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Aug 20, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

We may not be in "contention for anything nationally"

but I guarantee that if we win all of our games, we win the NC- I can always dream can’t I?

by FSU PHD on Aug 20, 2010 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

You're the Doc. You tell me.

Christian Ponder: Your favorite quarterback's favorite quarterback.

by Jamil Dawson on Aug 20, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fine, I'll tell you ;)

I’m sure we won’t will all of our games. We’ll probably lose to Oklahoma and Florida (although the Florida game will finally be competitive). We’ll also probably lose at least one conference game (Miami and/or Clemson).

Nevertheless, I also think that if our defense makes a miracle turnaround, if Ponder stays healthy and plays like he’s capable of, and if we catch a few breaks, we could (but the probability is slim) run the table and be playing for our third national championship.

Being an expert on the human thought process (snort), I’m sure that you agree!

By the way, how do you know that PHD isn’t just my initials?

by FSU PHD on Aug 20, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or at worse wind up #2. ;-)

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Aug 20, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

/worst

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Aug 20, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take #2!

If you tell me right now that we can play – but lose- in the NC game, I’ll take it!!!

by FSU PHD on Aug 20, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

A weight room where you have to actually lift weights instead of "chillin"

….oh, the humanity….

"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"

by BigSpearDiplomacy on Aug 20, 2010 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

back to Jenkins

he says he’s gonna announce at the Army game. didn’t know he got an invite to play in the Army All-American game. Bud, what kind of ranking does this kid have, and what type of player are we likely getting?

by gasou_nole on Aug 20, 2010 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the shout out Bud!

I greatly appreciate you providing a link to my write-up on Wake and giving it a positive review. I enjoy doing the previews (I’ve done them for several years), but I don’t think it is anything of the caliber of what you guys have going on here. I’m always impressed with the stuff you guys do here. Greatly enjoy the community.

And, yes, I do occasionally post here, but tend to lurk more than anything :)

by TomRob on Aug 20, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Really enjoyed it

It’s hard to remember the 3500 or so members we have. I was thinking “is it tomrob” or “tomloy” or ’tomjob".

Have you seen this? http://www.journalnow.net/index.php/mytakeonwake/index/ Excellent wake info. They are quite concerned about the interior DL. I think we run on them with ease. Again.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hadn't seen that article

but I agree that their interior line is going to be a weakness. I think their run defense overall will be. Their potential starting OLBs are like 210ish I believe. Their front seven is going to be pretty small overall. As long as we don’t let them grind it out on us, this game really should be a blowout victory for FSU. Wake will always be a tough out under Grobe, but we should wear them down eventually.

by TomRob on Aug 20, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a big series of articles. He's my #2 wake source right now.

The size of their defense reminds me of how small BYU was last year after they lost their nose guard in the second series.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bud - Leroys/Hilton Contest

Did u enter any of these handicapping contests for nfl/ncaa?

by Cee on Aug 20, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I do not. You?

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

My bud lives in vegas so he’s my proxy. Just paypal’d him the $$$ yesterday. If u wanna work something out and be partners . I’d be up for that.

Although for college i was gonna play FSU games mostly lol

by Cee on Aug 20, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where have you people been?

Every year players have qoutes like the one about the weight lifting, or blah blah about team unity, coaches having players more focused, but suddenly this year some of you take these all serious as proof Bowden should have been forced out? Then I guess meyers, saban and others should too because these are typical preseason qoutes.

by nolestuff on Aug 20, 2010 2:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Not proof; just further evidence

I take the whole 2000-2009 performances as further evidence that Bowden lost control.

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by ricobert1 on Aug 20, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fervently agreed

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Aug 20, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fried honey chicken back-to-back nights before a game

Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.

by Caveman Mafia on Aug 20, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You obviously didn't read the quotes

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeeeah boy

"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"

by BigSpearDiplomacy on Aug 20, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well said

and fair

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by ricobert1 on Aug 20, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is only speculation nobody would have come along and turned it into a dynasty

Don James may well have, I believe it was him who sought the job among others. A big three school in Florida is a dynasty waiting to happen. Somebody would have done the job.

Now it is time to return FSU back into a dynasty. Sorry I can’t get too milky eyed over BB and his wife giving up coaching the way they carried on the last few years.

Bring back Peter Tom Willis
Ann say hello to the grand kids

by DocHoliday2 on Aug 20, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go back

You can find quotes from last year, year before, etc that make it sound like positive changes are taking place and players are buying in yada, yada. It is standard protocol, but now you want to use the meaningless filler thrown out to prove a point without a game even being played?

by nolestuff on Aug 21, 2010 12:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Game...blouses

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by ricobert1 on Aug 21, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

thank you both....

My momma once told me, if you have nothing nice to say.....then you must be talking to a Gaytor or scUM. Go Noles!

by Dcubbienole on Aug 21, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't remember this quote EVERY YEAR. Do you, Nolestuff?

“….Coach Fisher, he’s put a big point on us to actually learn how to play football instead of going out on the field and counting on our athleticism.”

E. Dawkins

by The K-Man on Aug 20, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone mentioned GI bill

My father was a disabled veteran. I didn’t know at the time I could receive a hefty check while attending FSU. I used student loans which I paid back. It was only later I found out about the GI bill. Don’t let it happen to you if you are eligible.

Bring back Peter Tom Willis
Ann say hello to the grand kids

by DocHoliday2 on Aug 20, 2010 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the advice.

But no disabled Veteran’s in my family. I am getting out after 8 years and 13 deployments to go to the school I have wanted to go to since my freshman year of high school. Thank your Father for me for his service to our country.

by FSUKook on Aug 20, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank YOU for your severice.

So you will be going to FSU? I could have done the military to help pay for school. Then the sobering truth that I’m a coward hit me and I just took out loans.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Aug 20, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

It is laughable and really moronic, yes, moronic to just assume a dynasty was awaiting fsu. Look at not only ther few wins in the several years before Bb but what their best seasons were. I dare you to ask any college football historian and they would not only laugh at the notion, but also think many fsu fans are spoiled and lousy for acting like one more year was dooming the program…which was still having winning seasons.

by nolestuff on Aug 21, 2010 12:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

yeah, because, after all

we were just one dad-gum play or player away from a new dynasty

by GOW11 on Aug 21, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Again

game…blouses

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by ricobert1 on Aug 21, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Great Stuff.

I was going to type all that out but I’m way too lazy and opted for a silly picture. Great Job.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Aug 21, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks

Sometimes waking up too early pays off (now should I TRY to do that more often… eh, I dunno).

by Invictus13 on Aug 21, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just one question

Were you able to keep a straight face while you were typing that out?

by Carryingaspearorrunningfromit on Aug 21, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd for screenname

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by ricobert1 on Aug 21, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes...its quite the...mouthfull.

Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman

by CornNole on Aug 21, 2010 3:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sticking your thumb up his CornNole...?

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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."

by tricknole on Aug 23, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd for that keen (and acutely unfortunate) observation.

It indeed appears that, whenever a post beneath CornNole gets “Rec’d,” he gets a Rec’dal exam.

by arrdub on Aug 23, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

7-6 something to be proud of?

6-6 teams making a bowl game is laughable…..though the game vs WVU was something i will remember for the rest of my life, not really sure the team deserved to be there. Bobby did.

My momma once told me, if you have nothing nice to say.....then you must be talking to a Gaytor or scUM. Go Noles!

by Dcubbienole on Aug 21, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

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