Florida State News & Notes 08.20.10
With all the excitement of the James Wilder announcement, it's easy to forget that Fall camp is going on both in Tallahassee and around the ACC.
The Noles went to see a movie last night. Coach Fisher rented out the entire theater. But first, FSU practiced in the heat as they prepare for Saturday's scrimmage, but not in full pads. That's customary before a scrimmage. Christian Ponder and E.J. Manuel were held out yesterday as a planned precautionary measure to rest their arms. Clint Trickett earned and took all the first-team snaps as Will Secord was out sick. Coach Fisher was pretty pleased in the last two days with both sides of the ball playing well (as opposed to one side making a play because the other side made a mental error). The scrimmage can't get here fast enough as both sides have been really getting at each other. It will be interesting to see which players play in the scrimmage, how much the young guys get in the mix, and who will be held out for precautionary measures. I predict the defense will again do quite well as FSU will hold out two offensive line starters. I do not, however, expect 3 or 4 turnovers returned for scores.
"We're just trying to get them to understand and get comfortable in those situations," said Fisher, who served up a heavy dose of clock management, end of half and end of game situations. "They're going to make mistakes for a while, but they're not making many. I like their attitude and they're competing well against each other.
"They're getting real chippy with each other now. I had to stop it and tell everybody to quiet it down and play ball again. I'd rather say `Whoa' than `Giddy-up,' I promise you."
"Coach Fisher really wanted to put us in situations that we are going to be in for real," said Smith. "We're trying to get people to think under pressure and know what to do under pressure. It's been a more competitive two-a-days. We've been getting after each other more. We shake the offense and the offense puts something on us every now and then, so it's more competitive."
And it showed.
"Things are real competitive out there," said redshirt junior Terrance Parks. "We are going head-to-head, with good athletes on both sides of the ball. We are all going 100 miles per hour, trying to compete, so of course some tempers can flare up."
Fisher wasn't overly bothered by the occasional flare-up.
"They're getting competitive," Fisher said. "When one guy gets a play on (another), they start chirping, then the other one chirps. ... That's what good teams do. They take pride and they don't want to lose. That's the mentality you have to have. You have to be able to do it and still have discipline and be able to process what's going on mentally. There's nothing wrong with that. Now if it gets you out of your mind, you've got to stop it.
"You've got to do it with discipline and intelligence."
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Here's more evidence that Xavier Rhodes has seized the boundary corner spot and is now playing more safety for Nickel Packages:
With projected starting safety Nick Moody sidelined, Ochuko Jenije has been getting the lion's share of repetitions with the first team defense. "Jenije is in there doing a great job," Fisher said. "Jajuan Harley is finding some roles in there. ... We're getting a lot of chances to look at a lot of guys and you've got to. We've got to have that depth."...Fisher said he expects to have offensive line starters Andrew Datko and David Spurlock back next week...
Moody might miss some time with that injury, so Jenijie, Harley, Demps, or Bright need to be ready to go early on. As I have said all year, the important thing is to be healthy for the conference season because FSU isn't in contention for anything nationally. This is a great report by Andrew Carter.
Everett Dawkins revealed that in this year's strength program:
"this year they are on us about working out. We did lift last year, but they weren't on us about going in there and lifting weights and not just chilling. Now you have to go in there and actually have to do stuff."
FSU Strength & Conditioning: now making sure players do stuff and not just chill. Bowden needed another year?
Inside, notes on the Noles and FSU's opponents!
Bill at Scalpem has his season prediction out. I pretty much agree here. Somewhat shocked he used percentages!
This is an excellent look at Wake Forest by TomRob (who I think also comments here) at Chanrtant.com
The Clemson experts at ShakinTheSouthland have their season prediction out. I think the conclusion they reach (8-4, 5-3 in conference) is quite solid. I have some issues with their predictions in individual games (@ BC being only 5% less likely than Wake Forest and equal to a home game against NCST). 8-3 (5-3) seems right for Clemson.
BCI takes a look at what the MWC moves could mean for the ACC.
Florida has lost two 4* recruits from its last class. Could either transfer to Maryland? This likely means UF's haul is no longer in the "best of all time" discussion.
The 12 ACC writers of the network got together to give our pre-season predictions. FSU is projected to finish second behind BC in the Atlantic. Va Tech is picked to win the Coastal. Ponder is projected as the ACC POTY. The ACC DPOY is a tossup between a few players. My picks were FSU, Miami, Ponder, and Allen Bailey.
Arrington Jenkins, a very talented linebacker with all kinds of grades issues named FSU his "by far leader", with Oregon, Alabama, and Auburn following. He'll commit during the US Army All-American Game. FSU wants the kid whether he qualifies or not:
"Yeah I was at the FSU camp. I think I did great. I went there last summer too so I have been there before. I loved everything about the visit. From the campus to the school to the coaches. I talked to coach Fisher, the linebacker coach, pretty much the whole staff. Coach Fisher was asking me what I like about the school and stuff like that. I spent a lot of time with him."
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Jenkins?
Man, I am real suprised to see that we want him that bad, From everything I have read he will be a for sure no go. JC at best.
Good stuff as always!
yeah i dont get it either
from what i’ve gathered he’ll be lucky to graduate hike skool
by TheSituatioNOLE on Aug 20, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
But after "Hike School,"
He says he wants to go to a “really good business school.”
East Mississipi CC may just be the place.
"There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese." -- Coach Finstock
Sorry, *Skool. Almost misspelled it. :)
"There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese." -- Coach Finstock
"I can't wait til I get to go to Hike School"
“Don’t you say that…Don’t you ever say that. Stay here…for as long as you can…for the love of God…”
by NolenRyan on Aug 20, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I was waiting for that
Nice work NolenRyan
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Aug 20, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
If it's JC then FSU would likely place him.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
It seems like a good strategy to me
They don’t waste a scholarship this year. Place him and see if he gets his stuff together. It seems like the Smiley/McCloud combo are going to pay dividends.
by PSLNOLE on Aug 20, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
I was wondering what was the thinking behind the staff recruiting a grades risk like Arrington. We’ve obviously emerged as the leader for his services and from all accounts he can really play
by westcoastnolefan on Aug 20, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
"FSU Strength & Conditioning: now making sure players do stuff and not just chill. Bowden needed another year?"
That’s award-winning stuff.
by TRMNole on Aug 20, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Speaking of Bowden
I’m sick of him popping up in my daily reads for whatever public speaking event he’s at. Seriously, I’m tired of it. Go away. You knocked over your lego castle, go home.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend but few understand." - Wes Westrum, Mets Manager
Isn't Bowden having a speaking engagement or book signing the day before our Samford game?
by CSI Nole on Aug 20, 2010 9:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Speaking of...
My wife made me watch a new show the other night called, “Glades”. It is being filmed all over South FLA from Tampa Bay area to Miami. Figured I see some of my old haunts. Guess who had a cameo appearance? Yep you guessed it…ol’ Bobby.
yea, it's was pretty cheesey
Team Gold!
by garnetandgold on Aug 20, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly
I thought Bowden did a better acting job than most of the actual actors in that show. Pitiful.
I don't know
I can’t remember what she said but I thought that HOT girl in the bikini did a great job!
I agree
I didn’t see the whole episode, but I saw the clip with BB. I thought he did a pretty good job, all things considered (better than he did in the 80s on that Burt Reynolds show).
"Evening Shade"
nm
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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 21, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
That's what it was!
Burt’s poor “son” (on the show) was just too small to make it at a big time program like FSU…
I remember the Bobby episode
came to recruit a prospect with a low 40"s time, and turned out to be a girl. A very cute girl.
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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 21, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I think so. And like the commercial for “Jimbo Fisher’s Noles” that f’ing features BB for half of it (hello, idiot marketing department, it’s over. Stop pissing off those of us that were ready to move on and stop pissing off everyone that wishes Bobby was still around… it’s lose / lose), I’m sure it will be promoted constantly.
"Baseball is like church. Many attend but few understand." - Wes Westrum, Mets Manager
What's up TRM!
Been a while :)
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
I like the chippyness (that is a word now)
There was NO reason for the defense to get into it with anyone last year during preseason. The great thing about it is, when they play other teams that same mindset will be there. Ultra competitive and instead of it going toward each other, opponents will have to deal with it. I love how competition on both sides of the ball makes a better program.
I read some of the Maryland blog yesterday. Outside of them possibly getting (maybe already got one?) the UF players they look to be in for a rough year.
For those that haven’t seen it, check out the Alabama preseason camp that was on ESPN (It reruns quite a few times). There is no doubt in my mind Fisher runs his practice like his mentor. Outside of practice Saban is genuinely uhhh, creepy.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
Saban's remote controlled office door
Cracked me up.
Btw, someone mentioned Julio Jones cruising in a blue Escalade on the show? I only caught the second part to last nights episode.
by CSI Nole on Aug 20, 2010 9:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I did notice a tricked out ride
at one point but didn’t see who was in it. I’m recording it at a later date to make sure I got everything.
one of the players: “I hope later in life I get to have a remote control door.”
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Aug 20, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Think that may have been Trent Richardson who said that
No doubt in my mind, he will have several of them in his future.
by CSI Nole on Aug 20, 2010 9:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
One of the big bosses here has a remote controlled door.
The Funk Phenomenon.
by willdabeast on Aug 20, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Love the door
Talk about a control freak. Guess it works though…
My favorite part of that whole thing was the motivational guy from IMG that is on staff. When he was talking to the players about how everything comes down to decisions they make today will affect where they are tomorrow. I was ready to suit up and play!
I agree
that door was awesome…..just from the standpoint of having complete control. I am “The Saban”…..master of my domain.
yes....
D. Hightower had an Avalanche, I believe, and McElroy a new Range Rover.
They actually do
It’s something Fisher is working on doing. Setting up really nice internships for players that have to do with their major. Something we were negatively recruited with for the last few years.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I was suggesting the possibility that wealthy boosters might pay a kid $3k/mo. & use of the company vehicle for working in the mail room.
Ah gotcha
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Oops, I meant $3k / week. Hell even I made more than $3k a month as an intern.
It is nice to know that Fisher is working on real internships though. That should go over well with many moms and dads and help to eliminate that negative recruiting point.
I don't think you'd find a single college kid that would pass up $3K/month.
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Very true
I only make 1200 a month in college
by FSUFEARTHISSSPEAR on Aug 20, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Only?
That’s not bad. I probably only made like $4K my final year in school working a part time job (not including “tips”).
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
G.I. Bill?
I only ask because thats how much I will me making when I start using it in Jan.
Nope I work at a lawfirm
When I said only, I meant compared to 3k a month.
by FSUFEARTHISSSPEAR on Aug 20, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Aren't there NCAA restrictions on jobs for scholarship athletes?
Not sure what they are. It’s good that Fisher is working on the summer job problem, not that I knew it existed.
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
They can have internships during the summer I believe
This is stuff LSU had as early as 2000. FSU doesn’t have it a full decade later.
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Yep
All the LSU players from New Orleans that I knew came back to town in style. They still do. Some players have so much stuff they just give it away. Dudes went from having nothing, to giving stuff away. It’s crazy. Can’t believe FSU was behind in this area TOO. My goodness…
Cool
Think he has a trap door to drop unwanted visitors into a shark tank?
"Lock up your daughter, lock up your wife, lock up your back door, and run for your life" - Bon Scott
by SeminoleMike on Aug 20, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
with laser beams strapped to them, no doubt.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Aug 20, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
FIRE THE LASER!
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by Jamil Dawson on Aug 20, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
bowden could only afford seabass
mutated seabass though.
With
Sharpened sticks duct taped to them.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 20, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I caught the tail end of that show last night.
Thought it was awesome. All the players live together in a dorm. No way. Who woulda thunk. And they had a “nanny” come by at a certain time to each room looking for the players making sure everything was “lights out”. (Not saying completely restricting the athletes is best, but during certain things like camp I like the oversight, and just the general of control that it gives about the program.)
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
absolutely
that was great. Really need to get all our guys in the same place. Build whatever it takes. I got 5 on it (5 dollars).
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 20, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
More evidence that there is intensity in practice that hasn't been there the last few years.
It is unbelievable that a D-I college program let their players simply “hang-out” in the weight room. That sounds like my work outs…
The comments about the weight lifting...
About how no one basically checked on them and they just chilled… that sounds like a rag tag high school program. We did that stuff in High School because all of our coaches were basically volunteers and couldnt be there.
The more and more I find out about it, the state of the program under Bowden just kills me. Ugh.
If that makes you mad
I’m just curious about how you feel towards the defense not even having a playbook last year?
Yes, that happened.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
Yeah, I read that.
My dad is an old FSU fan and Bobby B diehard. He drives me crazy with wanting him to stay another year, etc. He wont even listen to me when I tell him about the playbook and such. “It’s about loyalty”…etc.
What a sad state FSU had become.
by TimScribble on Aug 20, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Be glad your dad is an FSU fan, or even a football fan. . .
We don’t all have that luxury. And my mom and my stepmother went to UF, so quit yer b**chin.
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Bud
where do you find the time? Great work as usual. You know I like to take you to task for some of your assertions so here’s another. Luck and injuries go hand in hand. Good teams find a way to work around injuries but more often than not teams that at least have a chance to play for it all are lucky that they don’t have the type of injuries that expose a weakness or flaw that others exploit. While true the FSU isn’t currently in the discussion for anything nationally, that could change in the blink of an eye. How many of those current top teams are going to tumble? How many surprise teams are going to show up on the radar? We don’t know the answer to that because luck, injuries and several other variables that can’t be factored into a graph, chart or program aren’t accounted for. That’s the thing we love/hate about sports. How many times a year do we collectively say no way that team should have won that game.
You are absolutely right
When Oklahoma beat us for the NC in 2000, they did not lose any starter for any game the entire season.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
You can control your own luck - to a certain extent - by building depth.
Who would you say has the better depth right now FSU or OK?
Overall- OU
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Soon to change
FSU already has better depth at QB & OL, and better depth “potential” at DB. Give Team Jimbo 2 more classes and this roster will be SICK…
Oderint Dum Metuant
It'll be sick in just 1 moreyear
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Good news! Jimbo was talking about controlling luck although he didn't say it in those terms.
Luck and injuries go hand in hand. Good teams find a way to work around injuries but more often than not teams that at least have a chance to play for it all are lucky that they don’t have the type of injuries that expose a weakness or flaw that others exploit.
Good coaches and teams work to control their own luck. How? By adding depth. If you have depth, then you don’t have a weakness or flaw exposed by injuries. All of this cross-training stuff not only teaches the players where their teammates will be and and gives the coaches to evaluate players at different spots, it adds depth to minimize losses due to injuries.
There is some luck involved in the way the odd-shaped ball bounces and with the possibility of having an elite player (like Bradham) injured, but for the most part a lot of the “luck” can be controlled through depth and consistency. Hats off to the coaches.
I suppose the cross-training also gives us some options to disguise our looks. Say for example, Stoops has Jenije, G5, Frank, and Rhodes in the defensive backfield at the same time. He could send a corner blitz and still have corners in coverage or he could just let Rhodes and Jenije play safety for the down and drop everyone back. I don’t know if he or Hudson have coached that way — putting in unexpected lineups for downs and what not or if they have had kids talented enough to do that. Just a thought. I’m rambling and need to get back to work.
The cross training is smart
However, if you’re loaded with talent, you can allow your players to specialize and not cross train. For a team that lack’s quality depth, it makes a ton of sense.
I do expect to see some exotic nickel looks to save our front-7 depth.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya know the whole - Bob Stoops knows Mark Stoops who knows Bob Stoops who knows Mark Stoops, etc., etc. debate??
One thing people don’t mention is what ideas and looks Hudson might be contributing to Mark Stoops’s D. Out of the shoot, we’d expect Bob Stoops to have an advantage because of Mark Stoops having limited time to implement a full array of exotic packages. But I wonder if Hudson is making some contributions of his own and how much input he has into Mark Stoops’s planning.
Some of our DEs are roughly the same size or maybe only slightly bigger than several of our LBs. So I am thinking there will be options of mixing those guys up a bit as well. Something like lining Mister Alexander or Christian Jones up as a DE and dropping them into coverage or showing a 3-4 look with Werner, J-Mac or McCloud, and White up front and Bradham, Williams, Luc, Jones, Alexander (pic 4) at LB and then sending 4 or 5.
Anyone know if Moody has practiced at LB at all?
I bet he will make some influence from Hudson
There will be a lot of zone blitzing because our DEs can cover people fairly well. But the question remains: how much can he implement in that period of time? No doubt there will be use of edge guys as you describe.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
any chance
Mister Alexander puts his hand on the ground at all?
Sure, in some passing situations.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you know if Moddy has been spending any time at all at LB?
I just think we’re pretty thin there. If a couple of them get injured, we’ll be paper thin.
I don't believe he has
If he has, I’ve not been told of it.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Moody's injury is very unfortunate
A groin injury is the type of lingering, nagging injury we can’t afford to have at the Safety spot. Luckily he won’t have to play much man to man, that’s where groin injuries really hurt your performance because they limit your ability to change directions quickly.
So if Rhodes becomes a clear-cut starter by the end of the season
will they move him to safety next year in order to start Joyner and Reid at the corner spots?
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I personally hope not
You need a big corner starting. Like someone said in the 2012 depth chart thread, Rhodes has more “long term” potential than any other corner on the team. These coaches seem to be cross training like crazy
by westcoastnolefan on Aug 20, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
No I think you'll see Joyner battle Greg Reid
And FSU will be playing a lot of 5 DBs against all the teams that will be throwing to try and catch up.
Rhodes is a 1st/2nd/3rd round draft choice type. He’s big and is really improving (played WR in HS). He won’t be moving.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Good
I think Rhodes is going to be a great corner. I just assume they will do what they need to get the most talent on the field at once. I guess playing nickel D will do that too.
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by garnetandgold on Aug 20, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
With the spread offenses in today's college football
You need at a minimum 3 good corners, so no need to move Rhodes.
by Quentin C on Aug 21, 2010 11:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"I'd rather say `Whoa' than `Giddy-up,' I promise you."
I like this
noles, marlins, phins
by NorthernHaze on Aug 20, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Someone ought to do a list of running Fisher metaphors for the players.
He’s used fish before—something about not throwing them back, keeping them in the live well.
Horses now. Creative quotes.
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TWSS
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by Jamil Dawson on Aug 20, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing we're not hearing about any of Jimbo's camps:
“It was just ok.”
I think I’ll credit Bob Lacevita and JImbo and Co.’s ability to connect with kids.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
We may not be in "contention for anything nationally"
but I guarantee that if we win all of our games, we win the NC- I can always dream can’t I?
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by Jamil Dawson on Aug 20, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine, I'll tell you ;)
I’m sure we won’t will all of our games. We’ll probably lose to Oklahoma and Florida (although the Florida game will finally be competitive). We’ll also probably lose at least one conference game (Miami and/or Clemson).
Nevertheless, I also think that if our defense makes a miracle turnaround, if Ponder stays healthy and plays like he’s capable of, and if we catch a few breaks, we could (but the probability is slim) run the table and be playing for our third national championship.
Being an expert on the human thought process (snort), I’m sure that you agree!
By the way, how do you know that PHD isn’t just my initials?
Or at worse wind up #2. ;-)
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
/worst
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I'll take #2!
If you tell me right now that we can play – but lose- in the NC game, I’ll take it!!!
with the # of top 20 teams we'll be playing, including OU and UF, the CCCG, and whoever in the bowl, there is no way we wind up at #2 if we run the table
you would have to have something like bama and texas also go undefeated and play each other in a bowl game
A weight room where you have to actually lift weights instead of "chillin"
….oh, the humanity….
"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"
by BigSpearDiplomacy on Aug 20, 2010 12:28 PM EDT reply actions
back to Jenkins
he says he’s gonna announce at the Army game. didn’t know he got an invite to play in the Army All-American game. Bud, what kind of ranking does this kid have, and what type of player are we likely getting?
Thanks for the shout out Bud!
I greatly appreciate you providing a link to my write-up on Wake and giving it a positive review. I enjoy doing the previews (I’ve done them for several years), but I don’t think it is anything of the caliber of what you guys have going on here. I’m always impressed with the stuff you guys do here. Greatly enjoy the community.
And, yes, I do occasionally post here, but tend to lurk more than anything :)
Really enjoyed it
It’s hard to remember the 3500 or so members we have. I was thinking “is it tomrob” or “tomloy” or ’tomjob".
Have you seen this? http://www.journalnow.net/index.php/mytakeonwake/index/ Excellent wake info. They are quite concerned about the interior DL. I think we run on them with ease. Again.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 20, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I hadn't seen that article
but I agree that their interior line is going to be a weakness. I think their run defense overall will be. Their potential starting OLBs are like 210ish I believe. Their front seven is going to be pretty small overall. As long as we don’t let them grind it out on us, this game really should be a blowout victory for FSU. Wake will always be a tough out under Grobe, but we should wear them down eventually.
It's a big series of articles. He's my #2 wake source right now.
The size of their defense reminds me of how small BYU was last year after they lost their nose guard in the second series.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Bud - Leroys/Hilton Contest
Did u enter any of these handicapping contests for nfl/ncaa?
I do not. You?
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Where have you people been?
Every year players have qoutes like the one about the weight lifting, or blah blah about team unity, coaches having players more focused, but suddenly this year some of you take these all serious as proof Bowden should have been forced out? Then I guess meyers, saban and others should too because these are typical preseason qoutes.
by nolestuff on Aug 20, 2010 2:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not proof; just further evidence
I take the whole 2000-2009 performances as further evidence that Bowden lost control.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
well we have legitimate proof of a change in philosophy
as well as a new support structure…
But do we usually get quotes about:
- not having play books
- not getting proper coaching
- not being actually forced to work out
- etc.?
by Invictus13 on Aug 20, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Fried honey chicken back-to-back nights before a game
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Aug 20, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You obviously didn't read the quotes
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Really?
Come on Nolestuff……i am pretty sure we all understand and appreciate what Bowden did here. There would be no need to rebuild a program to greatness had Bowden not first made it great. Heck, I doubt this caliber of website predominantly dedicated to the football team would be in existance if Bobby hadnt come along and turned the program into a Dynasty. That being said…….cant you just understand that at some point Bowden and his staff began to fail the program? Sure maybe the parting of ways couldve been handled more tactfully and I would’ve loved it to have been on his terms but when were “his terms” supposed to end? Ever? Would a real losing season have done it? I am pretty sure Bobby himself said something like “if we have another season like that, it will be time to hang it up” (paraphrasing, sorry i dont have the actual quote but it was after the first 7-6 season, there have been 2 since).
Anyway, I am pretty sure most true championship caliber programs require their players to workout whilst in the gym. I am also fairly confident that most elite level programs have communication between offensive backfields and lines. Furthermore, I would be willing to bet that 100% of the top 50 programs have playbooks…..on both sides of the ball.
I am not saying that all of these things were going on or on what level the coaching had failed. All I am really trying to say is that the mere hint that any of these failings were real, (these are based on player quotes too, not fan posts) then our program had fallen off severly or just never stepped into the modern age of college football. This is a good thing to be able to admit and is proof that the coaching change was necessary and timely, if not a few seasons too late.
Go Noles
We've got to fight, fight, fight for F.S.U. / We've got to scalp 'em Seminoles / We've got to win, win, win, win, win this game / And roll on down and make those goals / For F.S.U. is on the warpath now / And at the battles end she's great / So fight, fight, fight, fight for victory / The Seminoles of Florida State / F-L-O-R-I-D-A S-T-A-T-E / Florida State, Florida State, Florida State!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
by Dcubbienole on Aug 20, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yeeeah boy
"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"
by BigSpearDiplomacy on Aug 20, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It is only speculation nobody would have come along and turned it into a dynasty
Don James may well have, I believe it was him who sought the job among others. A big three school in Florida is a dynasty waiting to happen. Somebody would have done the job.
Now it is time to return FSU back into a dynasty. Sorry I can’t get too milky eyed over BB and his wife giving up coaching the way they carried on the last few years.
Bring back Peter Tom Willis
Ann say hello to the grand kids
Go back
You can find quotes from last year, year before, etc that make it sound like positive changes are taking place and players are buying in yada, yada. It is standard protocol, but now you want to use the meaningless filler thrown out to prove a point without a game even being played?
by nolestuff on Aug 21, 2010 12:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Please show us some of these standard quotes...
Then compare them with the ones from this year:
- Bradham: “We’ve got a playbook to take home now. We didn’t have a playbook in the past.”
- McDaniel: “Last season there was very minimum work with defensive ends and defensive tackles together. Now, we’re working together. We’re getting off the ball together, we’re running plays together. Everybody is on the same page and that’s a good thing.”
See: http://www.tomahawknation.com/2010/3/18/1380077/report-florida-states-defensive
- Pryor: “It’s a big difference for the running backs because coach Eddie Gran, he has us knowing what the line’s doing. So now we know who the line’s blocking and stuff like that. It also makes it easy on us. It has been a big change – the holes have been there so it’s been a good deal… So when you’re in the backfield, you’re already thinking, oh, this lineman is going to get this guy, and this guy."
See: ”http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/2010/08/florida-state-running-backs-better-understanding-offensive-line’s-blocking-schemes.html" target="_blank">http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/2010/08/florida-state-running-backs-better-understanding-offensive-line’s-blocking-schemes.html
- Dawkins: “We just didn’t have the coaching mentally that we needed… Coach Fisher, he’s put a big point on us to actually learn how to play football instead of going out on the field and counting on our athleticism.”
See: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/preview10/news/story?id=5473026
- Dawkins again: “This year they are on us about working out. We did lift last year, but they weren’t on us about going in there and lifting weights and not just chilling. Now you have to go in there and actually have to do stuff.”
See: http://www.tomahawknation.com/2010/8/20/1631834/florida-state-news-notes-08-20-10
These are not the standard “We’re much more focused” or “We are very motivated this year” type of quotes. These are quotes you typically don’t get because they indicate a lack of competence from the previous staff; players rarely criticize their current coaches.
We do have some of the standard-sounding quotes, but please do quote and cite players from previous seasons saying things that basically amount to “Our coaches were incompetent. They didn’t give us a play book, they didn’t teach us to see the big picture of various plays, they depended on our athleticism to ‘make plays’ rather than on a scheme, and they really didn’t make us work out all that hard.” (If you find any, I bet they’re from offensive players in Fisher and Trickett’s first year! In that case, I’m not sure they should count… they would be from the offensive regime change from a few years ago, and not annual/standard quotes.)
Anyway, since players say things like this every year, you shouldn’t have too much difficulty finding a few examples from Google, right? I look forward to reading them (oh, and restrict them to FSU players; it’s not the same thing if you find quotes from Zook survivors at uf, or other regime changes – after all, you’re saying these things are said in normal circumstances, every year). Thanks.
by Invictus13 on Aug 21, 2010 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Game...blouses
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
by ricobert1 on Aug 21, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
thank you both....
My momma once told me, if you have nothing nice to say.....then you must be talking to a Gaytor or scUM. Go Noles!
I don't remember this quote EVERY YEAR. Do you, Nolestuff?
“….Coach Fisher, he’s put a big point on us to actually learn how to play football instead of going out on the field and counting on our athleticism.”
E. Dawkins
Someone mentioned GI bill
My father was a disabled veteran. I didn’t know at the time I could receive a hefty check while attending FSU. I used student loans which I paid back. It was only later I found out about the GI bill. Don’t let it happen to you if you are eligible.
Bring back Peter Tom Willis
Ann say hello to the grand kids
Thanks for the advice.
But no disabled Veteran’s in my family. I am getting out after 8 years and 13 deployments to go to the school I have wanted to go to since my freshman year of high school. Thank your Father for me for his service to our country.
Thank YOU for your severice.
So you will be going to FSU? I could have done the military to help pay for school. Then the sobering truth that I’m a coward hit me and I just took out loans.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Aug 20, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
It is laughable and really moronic, yes, moronic to just assume a dynasty was awaiting fsu. Look at not only ther few wins in the several years before Bb but what their best seasons were. I dare you to ask any college football historian and they would not only laugh at the notion, but also think many fsu fans are spoiled and lousy for acting like one more year was dooming the program…which was still having winning seasons.
by nolestuff on Aug 21, 2010 12:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I've never done one of these
But I think now is the appropriate time, so I’ll give it a go.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Aug 21, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It wasn't inevitable, but it's hardly "moronic" to think we would have won a couple NCs without BB
Our second coach, Don Veller, was 31-12-1 from ‘48-’52 (about 72%) – and most of his losses came from his final 1-8-1 season (I’m not old enough to know why we collapsed like that, but Nugent, the next coach, had us about .500 for the next six years). We were pretty solid most of the time until the three seasons immediately preceding BB: 0-11, 1-10, 3-8 (but we’d won 6+ games in eight of the previous nine seasons, and 7+ in six of them; about what we’ve been doing lately, huh?). BB gave us three 10+ seasons from ‘77-’80, but then we went back to about 8-win seasons until the dynasty started in ’87.
Now, did BB do a lot of good for FSU? Yes. But, if you look at other factors from the time period of our dynasty, you’ll see that any good-to-great coach would have had a good chance of building something very strong here (and remember that all of Florida’s Big Three have won multiple NCs since 1983).
First, from 1980-1990, Florida’s population grew almost 25% (from about 9.7 million to 12.9 million). From 1990-2000, it grew another 23% (from 12.9 to 15.9 million). Suddenly, the state had a lot more people, and that typically leads to a larger quantity of talent.
Second, uf went on probation in 1984 – some recruits who would have likely gone there (to participate in their emerging “dynasty,” which was cut short by some 59 infractions, including cash to players) turned instead to FSU. Interestingly enough, the dynasty started in 1987, when these recruits would have been reaching upperclassman status.
Of course, our dynasty was later helped by UM’s sanctions in the 90s – by then it was pretty easy for the state to support two elite teams, but three would have strained the talent resources (most people agree).
I would also point out that Mickey Andrews arrived at FSU in 1984 – and I seriously doubt our dynasty could have lasted as long as it did (or even got started?) without the elite defenses he put on the field.
Anyway, given the population explosion the state experienced, and the fact that one of our two in-state rivals were on probation or clearly under the threat of impending probation from the mid-80s through the mid/late 90s, almost any god coach could have built something special at FSU. Again, consider the fact that all three Florida schools experienced unprecedented success after c. 1980.
Now about your last statement: remember the recruiting explosion that happened in the weeks AFTER it was announced BB was leaving? Now, take away a lot of last year’s Top 10 recruiting class. Suddenly, our future isn’t so bright. Plus, THIS year’s recruiting class wouldn’t look near as promising either. “One more year” would have had SIGNIFICANT effects on this program.
BB should continue to be honored for what he meant to FSU over the years – but it was past time for a regime change here. And anyone who can’t see the improvements made to the program in the last eight months is just not paying attention. But let’s examine a former player’s initial reaction to BB’s release, and his later reassessment of the situation:
Darnell Dockett was NOT happy with the change: “Who the hell is JIMBO FISHER this sh*ts all messed up! No donations from me! No visits, my college I went to is Bobby Bowden University!” (Tweeted last year.) However, by the time of the spring game, Fisher and staff had won over the upset Dockett, who tweeted: “Who all going to the FSU spring Game this Weekend?… OK ill be in tallahassee this weekend! I’m gonna put my FSU uniform on and practice too! Shhh we gonna getback to them winning days OH yeah!… Can’t wait to go back to FSU tommorow, I’m excited as my First day 5yrs ago!”
Or, how about the much-respected Derrick Brooks, who opposed naming Fisher “head coach-in-waiting”? He likes the “synergy” of the new staff: “It’s been a tough road the last four or five years for Coach Bowden, being that there wasn’t any synergy on the staff. And I think now you get that.” (http://www.tomahawknation.com/2010/3/23/1385873/derrick-brooks-interview) He has also stated, "Right now everything is moving in positive direction" (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_bianchi/2010/08/fsu-legend-derrick-brooks-fought-making-jimbo-fisher-coach-in-waiting.html)
If former players recognize that the change has been good for the program, I think it’s time you do, too.
by Invictus13 on Aug 21, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Bravo!
This is the first post I’ve ever Rec’d
by westcoastnolefan on Aug 21, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Great Stuff.
I was going to type all that out but I’m way too lazy and opted for a silly picture. Great Job.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Aug 21, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks
Sometimes waking up too early pays off (now should I TRY to do that more often… eh, I dunno).
Just one question
Were you able to keep a straight face while you were typing that out?
by Carryingaspearorrunningfromit on Aug 21, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes...its quite the...mouthfull.
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by CornNole on Aug 21, 2010 3:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sticking your thumb up his CornNole...?
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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by tricknole on Aug 23, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for that keen (and acutely unfortunate) observation.
It indeed appears that, whenever a post beneath CornNole gets “Rec’d,” he gets a Rec’dal exam.
7-6 something to be proud of?
6-6 teams making a bowl game is laughable…..though the game vs WVU was something i will remember for the rest of my life, not really sure the team deserved to be there. Bobby did.
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