2011 Recruiting Discussion Thread #9 [CLOSED]
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Notes:
- Removed DE Ricardo Williams, OL Mike Matulis, DT Chavis Atkins, DB Cortez Davis. 08.12.10.
- James Wilder commits 08.14.10 Removed Nick Waisome 08.14.10
- Arrington Jenkins added. 08.29.10.
FAQ:
1. Will FSU take 2 WRs now instead of just Rashad Greene?
This is more likely with the dismissal of Jarmon Fortson. FSU is loaded at wide receiver and doesn't need to take another. FSU could have as many as 13 wide receivers in 2011. That's more than optimal and is not a good use of finite resources (85scholarships). However, this answer likely depends on the future of Taiwan Easterling (baseball, but when?) and Cam Wade (don't see many non-contributing 5th-year seniors on the roster). The coaches will be in the best position to determine this, and we are not going to second guess their move here.
2. What's up w/ Tony Steward?
This is a Clemson-FSU battle. Clemson is in desperate need of linebackers because its current crop lacks both quality and numbers. Plus, Steward's idol is Ernie Sims, who was coached by Clemson LB coach Kevin Steele. Steward named Clemson his leader following the camp. Despite this, we are confident in FSU's position with him. Steward is very respectful and has said good things about every school he visits. Clemson will be an underdog in 4-5 games this season and it would be hard to see them land the top LB prospect in the nation from out of state while finishing with 5 or 6 losses. While we are mindful that Clemson can promise him an immediate starting job playing for Ernie Sims' former coach while FSU cannot (FSU is loaded with linebacker talent), we think FSU is in good position at the present time and that FSU's position will only improve from here. It will really depend on whether the kid prefers immediate playing time or the better program.
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We need 3 DE's in this class
If Jamar Jackson struggles to see the field, i imagine he is gone. Markus White will graduate. Only one signed DE last year in Werner that possibly could out grow his poistion like cummings. Im not sure what to make of glen stanley. We really need to land 3 solid DE’s this class. Are their any JUCO DE’s that we can take?
I was not sure about the noles taking Dan Hicks a couple years ago, but it now sounds like a great move.
Full court press on the DE’s!
Werner is not growing out of his position
We want big as$ men. Why make our DT smaller and DE smaller when Werner is fast enough to play DE. It makes our front 7 completely bigger and gives our LB’s more room to roam.
If you are expecting much anyways of Jamar Jackson… don’t.
Plus Giorgio Newberry is a silent commit, fully expect him in this class.
No fat chicks
agreed about Werner
hes 20, hes not going to explode like 17-18 year old Cummings did.
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Werner isn't likely to move
It’s more likely someone moves from DT to DE
Why would you want a JUCO DE? I really don’t see available PT for a JUCO kid next year.
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depth
Jamar Jackson – gone imo, and then we have:
1. Brandon Jenkins
2. Dan Hicks
3. Bjoern Werner
4. Toshmon Stevens
plus the incoming freshman. If their is a quality DE in the juco schools that could add to our depth at DE i would like to have a strong look at them….Unless we take 3 stud freshmen :)
I bet one "dt" sees some snaps at DE
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Yes he is DE
Who said he isn’t?
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Bud
what about Newberry though. Where do you project him? SDE or WDE? Form the film he has the speed, explosion, and agility to be a WDE but his size just scream SDE. Ray Drew seems like a perfect WDE
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Aug 23, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Newberry is an SDE all the way. Doesn't have the quicks of a WDE
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I thought so
So do you think we have a legit shot at for WDE??? We can;t put all our eggs in the Ray Drew basket. We need to take two WDE right?
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Aug 24, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Needs
Right now we have
QB
RB
RB
RB
WR
OL
OL
OL
DL
DL
LB
DB
DB
DB
DB
That’s 15. I think we take 25. So where does 25 come from?
No doubt FSU will take
OL
2 DL
LB
That’s 19. Then I think there are options
QB (if Brissett)
WR
TE
OL
DL (maybe 2 more)
LB (perhaps 2 more if one is a JUCO)
DB
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Agreew with your assessment that we can take as many as 25 but qns?
1) Do we need Brisett? More importantly, do we need 2 QBs in this cycle?
2) Does taking 2 QBs in 2011 keep us out of the running for any good qbs in 2012?
1. That’s the coaches choice.
2. Not sure. You gotta ask yourself if you’re going to get someone in 2012 better than the kids you’re landing in 2012.
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Does having Brisett help any bit with O'Leary?
Maggitt seems to be a gate!
Can a Juco LB pickup the new system?
I question whether or not a Juco kid can really be counted upon next year if we run a really diverse package. Outside of Jones, the coaches really don’t seem like the true freshmen are going to play much.
FSU football is the new case study for the outliners phenomon
The thing is
I’m sure some Juco schools run more of this defense. Not just a go out there and do whatever you want D.
No fat chicks
I expect FSU to have 9 DTs and 7 DEs in 2011
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 23, 2010 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Love the #'s
Dont expect any 2011 kids to start but love what we have this year and hoping to catch some luck with injuries!
I read that wrong and though you meant FSU will not put any starters on the field
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Thoughts on this new JUCO OL prospect?
Matt Williams, another behemoth from South Dakota. Interesting to me that Trickett is targeting SD for these kids…
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by NoleThruandThru on Aug 24, 2010 12:24 AM EDT reply actions
Wonder if he's having trouble finding enough "scheme(kids that will take verbal and sometimes physical abuse) players"?
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Great Size good altlete looks like a raw tackle that has high potetinial
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by stevegrizzle on Aug 24, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
As expected
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Max Lang to USF, as expected
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by NoleThruandThru on Aug 24, 2010 4:33 PM EDT reply actions
NT&T is Carter going to be commiting soon?
I thought I read in a couple of places that alot of people expect him to and the article on Warslant got me thinking about him. I know he names us his leader and all, was just wondering if he was going to pull the trigger. What about Joe? Know anything about him? Thanks man.
I think Carter is going to be committing real soon
Just a feeling. He’s been saying everywhere that FSU is his clear cut leader
by fsufrenzy911 on Aug 24, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be surprised if Carter isn't a silent right now
I think he’ll likely go public in the next couple months, might wait until the season is over.
Haven’t heard much on Errin Joe, last I saw GT was leading with FSU and UM behind. I really hope FSU can pull him, love that kid.
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by NoleThruandThru on Aug 24, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, are you referring to Carter or Joe?
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"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
From what I have been reading,
It looks like Joe. Carter said we were his leader yesterday. Many I am pretty stoked about this possible Oline class. They all seem to have good size already.
I've seriously heard so much crap about those 2.
Recruiting guys who are usually pretty reliable say that Joe is primed to commit any day now, and then I hear “don’t be surprised if Carter is next on board”.
Crazy, man.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
Joe is primed to commit to FSU, or just commit in general?
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Who has been saying Joe is about to commit to FSU?
No one on TN or TR to my knowledge.
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by NoleThruandThru on Aug 25, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
There are other sources besides TN and TR.
FWIW, I really only have one analyst that I trust, because he’s been pretty damn good for the past 2 years.
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Of course there are other sources
That’s why I asked, because I haven’t seen anyone from TN or TR say it…
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by NoleThruandThru on Aug 25, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.
I know he most definitely does not post on TN, and has expressed malcontent with some folks at the ringer, so I doubt it.
He’s pretty much the only reason I subscribe to the pay site. I wish I could just send him $75 a year and have him send me a weekly recruiting update.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
Will Trickett use grey-shirts again this year?
Both Snider and Faircloth appear to be doing well and it would spread out our line signees.
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Maybe with 6
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FSU looks to be in good shape for 2012 DE Donte Fowler but it's a long way off
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For the upcoming recruiting cycle, where is FSU most likely to want to grab some JUCO players?
A DT? I think we’ve offered 1 or 2 JUCO OL, no?
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
I suppose that would depend on the play of Demonte McAllister.
I really can’t think of a position that may need JUCO help. Trickett has offered two JUCO OL from a school in South Dakota like you mentioned, however.
10 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
Highly doubt it would be at DT. Seems FSU will finally have good depth at DT to allow the young guys to RS
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 25, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't think of any position, then, where a JUCO could immediately contribute
or where we need him to immediately contribute.
Do you agree?
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
I wouldn't mind some JUCO OLs like we've seen on the radar,
To give them one season (2011) to learn the system and get into condition, and then they can step in and start in 2012.
As much promise as that depth chart shows in other groups, I’m not sure I like our quality/depth for that year on the OL.. especially at tackle. If one of the guys we’re counting on to contribute goes down, we appear to be limited in our options. We simply don’t appear to have the guys on our roster with the necessary length/frame to fill in for us there.
Fair enough
i’d love to see Bobby Hart to pan out like Rodney Hudson (who wouldn’t want anyone to pan out like RH, really?). I think he could be a guy who steps in 2012 and plays at a high level.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
I think you take one at OL
Because we don’t know Snider will be.
Here’s 2011
Antwane Greenlee Sr* 6-6/307
Zebrie Sanders Sr. 6-6/305
Andrew Datko Sr. 6-6/305
David Spurlock Sr. 6-4/295
A.J. Ganguzza Sr* 6-2/272
Rhonne Sanderson Jr* 6-3/288
Blake Snider So.* 6-3/290
Garrett Faircloth So* 6-6/293
Bryan Stork So* 6-4/288
Henry Orelus So* 6-2/300
Dan Foose Fr* 6-6/ 300
4 or 5 freshmen
Now, I think Greenlee is gone, but for 2012:
Rhonne Sanderson Sr* 6-3/288
Blake Snider Jr.* 6-3/290
Garrett Faircloth Jr* 6-6/293
Bryan Stork Jr* 6-4/288
Henry Orelus Jr* 6-2/300
Dan Foose So* 6-6/ 300
Bobby Hart Fr* 6-5/ 310
Trey Pettis Fr* 6-4/ 305
Sterling Lovelady Fr* 6-2/ 288
Errin Joe, Ruben Carter, or both, RsFr
We could use a JUCO kid to sit for 2011 and be insurance for 2012.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 25, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
For 2012
1 5th year guy
4 4th-year guys
1 3rd-year guy
5 2nd-year guys
Likely 4 recruits too. But if FSU takes a JUCO this cycle then probably 3 recruits.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 25, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
its pretty scary
that our seemingly perpetual young oline has now evolved into one of the most experienced in the nation.
I had a different word in mind
than scary… starts with a b and ends with an oner!
Safety could be a consideration
but not sure if there is anyone we’re looking at there.
Just speculating as it appears to be the area where an upper classman could step into the 2 deep – especially if there were to be an EE.
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“Hearing #Florida State has pulled into very good position with Evangel (La.) DE Jermauria Rasco. #LSU #Texas #Bama #Auburn”
A Louisiana kid. Apparently being recruited by Dawsey.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
But UT just offered, correct?
Agreed, need DEs
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 25, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Good to hear.
This is another area that I am a little concerned with. I like the DT’s, I want a couple of beast ends. maybe 3 Drew, Newberry and Rasco.
Whats the deal with
Brandon Fulse? I feel it’s be nice to pick him up considering recent comments about O’leary have me skeptical on him committing.
OLeary will wait thru the season to see how both Miami and FSU fair
so nothing is set in stone. I believe Fulse is high on FSU and would be ours were OLeary not in the picture, but I think OLeary is a talent worth waiting for and were Fulse to commit (to FSU) I doubt the coaches would not take it.
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Don't buy the Oleary hating Wilder stuff
I don’t think that will impact his college choice.
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If both want in we'll make room
No doubt.
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That means you, Ed I!
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 26, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I have a hard time believing that a kid would dismiss a school just because of a prior altercation with another recruit.
You’d think that O’Leary would have some advisors to help him with that kinda stuff.
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I've heard he has a cousin at TCC and has visited a few times
Has anyone heard the same or know this to be true?
by TampaLawNole on Aug 25, 2010 5:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree that I doubt that any argument would affect his decision
This is football and guys get into it a lot especially alpha maleson opposing teams like O’Leary and Wilder. O’Leary may not want to pick up the phone and chit chat with the guy, but I doubt it affects his decision at all.
Agreed
People are blowing that situation (among other situations) out of proportion.
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by NoleThruandThru on Aug 25, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you here
You don’t make a college/life choice based on another persons. Many enemies have become friends over time. That being said, who knows if this is really even an issue.
Decent news concerning Stewart
“The only thing separating FSU and Clemson right now is just that one [FSU] is my childhood favorite.”
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Interesting comments about Wilder!
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by NoleThruandThru on Aug 26, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes it was.
It was like he caught himself after he had said too much.
That sounds very promising.
I interpret is like, “FSU and Clemson are head and shoulders above the rest, and FSU is ahead of Clemson.”
Steward has a relationship with Steele, right?
Is there much of a chance Steele is offered a HC position in the next couple years?
Certainly possible.
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anyone think Rivals is going to "re-evaluate" Andrew Buie
None of them have pushed me to commit.
I find this quote very telling.
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by Caveman Mafia on Aug 26, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know why Buie would offer up that information.
It confirms what all you guys here were saying about Rivals Florida recruit rankings.
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Aug 26, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Man I want Steward in this class!!!
Not to get all hyped up on stars but having him would give us three 5 star studs! Not to mention I think O’Leary will get a 5th star this year. You might through Ray Drew in as a 5 star when all is said and done. Imagine having five 5 stars in this class?!?! The momentum and hype would be unreal!!!
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Aug 26, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
That does sound good
Sounds like if he had to committ today, it would be us. Which is a change from a month or two ago.
Now it’s up to us to show out better this season than Clemson.
did he mean
Who wants it most, as in he and jwj, or FSU vs. Clemson?
him vs JWJ
at least that’s how I understood it.
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Irony?
To me it sounded more like FSU vs. Clemson
B/c he was saying that it didn’t really matter whether JWJ will be playing RB or LB as far as his choice of schools goes – FSU or Clemson, who want$ it more?
I feel strongly that he meant:
It doesn’t matter if Wilder plays LB. Whoever starts comes down to who wants it more.
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Thats what i like to hear," comes down to who wants it more". I was saying this all along nevermind how many lb we got last year just come in and compete.If fsu was your team bring it and take some playing time.Would love to have him in this class.
So what is the expected stud count up to? I'm using ESPN150 prospects:
Commits
K. Williams – 99%
Green – 99%
Lawrence-Stample – 99%
Hart – 95%
K. Smith 90%
JWJ – 90%
Prospects
Newberry – 85%
Drew – 45%
Steward – 55%
O’Leary – 45%
Rasco – 30%
Fulse – 45% (90% if O’Leary goes UM.)
Gosha – 25%
K. Benjamin – 20% (not a 150’er, but he’s pretty talented.)
Finally, below is my “heck, these guys sound like they’re visiting list,” and I’m thinking the JWJ-effect is going to pull in at least 1 shocker… who will it be?
? Jernigan – 5% ?
? Clowney – 5% ?
? La’El Collins – 5% ?
? Lynch – 1% ?
? Lyons – 1% ?
? Chickillo – 1% ?
TOTAL Expected = 9.4
Italicized my changes
Commits
K. Williams – 100%
Greene – 99%
Lawrence-Stample – 99%
Hart – 99%
K. Smith 90%
JWJ – 75%
Prospects
Newberry – 85%
Drew – 45%
Steward – 55%
O’Leary – 45%
Rasco – 30%
Fulse – 45% (50% if O’Leary goes UM.)- Auburn looks very good for him.
Gosha – 25%
K. Benjamin – 20% (not a 150’er, but he’s pretty talented.)
Finally, below is my "heck, these guys sound like they’re visiting list," and I’m thinking the JWJ-effect is going to pull in at least 1 shocker… who will it be?
? Jernigan – 5% ?
? Clowney – 0% ?
? La’El Collins – 0% ?
? Lynch – 1% ?
? Lyons – 1% ?
? Chickillo – 1% ?
^ I highly doubt we get any of those kids.
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by NoleThruandThru on Aug 26, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you on the "highly doubt,"
which is why I gave us a 1 in 20 or 1 in 100 shot.
But if they actually do make visits, I might raise an eyebrow at the prospect… I do think there is the potential that we could get a surprise based on that JWJ dynamic we’ve heard about… hearing about Jimbo’s phone “blowing up,” and after watching what happened last year for UF with all those DL studs congregating around them, I definitely place some credence in the critical mass theory.
-Brissett (if FSU wants two qbs)
-If FSU can convice Cortez Davis to come on an OV, maybe he and Marlin Lane start thinking about FSU (don’t believe we would get either, but if FSU does well and Clemson tanks, you never know I guess)
- I would sh*t my pants if FSU could somehow get visits from Jeff Pagan or Stephone Anthony, but I’ve never heard either of them mention FSU before. Pagan seems firmed up to UF.
-Arrington Jenkins seems like a legit sign-and-place option for FSU.
-Outside shot at Marcus Roberson, but I’ll be very surprised if he isn’t at Auburn
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by NoleThruandThru on Aug 26, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Bell.
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for me, the shocker won't be one of those guys, but
pulling BOTH Drew and Steward. Seems like a fantasy now, but when it actually falls into place, I’ll be dancing.
Lynch committed to ND already - mom's a big fan.
Are you thinking about Newberry? Those have been the two big SDE targets on the radar.
Something like that
From what I have heard, the kid LOVED FSU. He’s a bundle of walking hormones, and evidently he saw something he liked at FSU (if you catch my drift).
He’s got till February to convince mom that FSU is where he wants to go. ND coaches back off a bit, Jimbo keeps in contact, and Lynch is our “signing day surprise”.
At least, that’s what I hope will happen :}
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Bell is probably another guy held in high enough esteem (especially ’round these parts) that should be on the list.
What say ye – 60%???
can someone call our lawyers off of Bradenton SE
Do we really want to attack high schools for using the Seminole name in such a fertile recruiting area? See the tbo.com
oh, now it makes sense
Maybe punitive damages are in order. This must be the result of some unholy compromise. Their mascot is probably a bull named Sebastian .
by Ponder This on Aug 26, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
It's the licensing agents that are bringing suit. They represent almost all colleges in licensing IP rights. It's not necessarily FSU on the attack.
by TampaLawNole on Aug 26, 2010 1:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
besides
don’t you have to actively defend your trademarks if you want to keep it that way?
I'm just starting my trademarks law class, so I should know by Dec...
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I can't tell from any of the reports
if the licensing company is acting on behalf of FSU on the attack, or FSU instructed them to initiate legal action.
You can’t assume that FSU didn’t initiate it. I mean, if this were a business, you have to protect your brand. Your logo with your biggest competitors colors is a big no no.
I can see where they’re coming from…but it’s been that way for 30 years no. What the HELL is the point?!?!?!
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I agree which is why I said "not necessarily"
FSU may have asked them to do it but from what I read CLC has initiated these suits with every school that has logos similar to a college or NFL team. There are multiple suits out there. I asked the same question as to why they didn’t do this years ago but maybe Bradenton SE wasn’t selling merchandise with the logo that would warrant damages to bring a suit. There is too much unknown to say one way or the other without all the facts but make no mistake that CLC has the right to bring suit without asking FSU. FSU can lobby them to stop if there are political or intangible concerns but they don’t have to listen.
by TampaLawNole on Aug 27, 2010 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Correction, there aren't suits out there but these "letters" or "requests" to stop using logos
Could be an IMG thing. IMG acquired CLC in 2007 and maybe that’s why this has arisen all of a sudden. Some news are linking it to Bowden being gone and the evil empire that is FSU can do it since they shoved him out. lol. Either way its bad PR for FSU. Aside from recruiting, students that grow up Seminoles and do the Warchant at this HS are now going to hate FSU whether its really FSU doing this or not. FSU PR needs to get a hold on this and do damage control fast.
by TampaLawNole on Aug 27, 2010 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Tampa is right, it's the CLC bringing the suit, not FSU
the CLC represents all IP issues related to every institution under the NCAA umbrella; FSU has little or no say in the issue
took a Sports Law class in my final semester at law school this past spring, this is a non-story that the writer of the article I read did little research for.
So...how long before FSU starts pulling in national top 10 guys at each position each recruiting cycle?
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Depends on wins and losses IMO
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by NoleThruandThru on Aug 26, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
This
or at least winning the ACC….which coincides with wins and losses….lol.
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Yeah wins and losses are huge.
If we keep improving year by year I see it happening in 3-5 years. Top 10 guys at every position is hard especially considering needs on the team. FSU definitely has the talent pool in the state of Florida though to pull a lot of top flight talent.
"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi
Honestly though we aren't far off
Luc, Joyner, Jones and Green were all top 10 talent. We also signed the best JUCO corner in the country(Harris) last year and had a top 10 class. This year we are on the road to a nasty class and top 5 isn’t a pipe dream in my opinion with who we have and who we could get. This year Wilder, Williams, Hart, Smith, and Hunter are top 10 talent. Nile-Stample could be top 10 when all is said and done. Steward, Drew, and O’Leary are all top players at their position and 2 out of 3 of them should land at FSU. Some other surprising names could also crawl out of the woodwork with the Wilder signing. All in all it could come sooner than we think, especially if we start winning.
"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi
I'll be excited when we consistently out-recruit for big names.
Joyner was a huge nole from the beginning; Jones and Green were legacies. The big name we snared from someone else was Luc…this year, Wilder.
UNC thought.
Are there are UNC 2011 “commits” that we might be looking at now due to the emerging sanctions?
They have three 4* OL according to Rivals.
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I know the Plant v. Manatee game is on ESPN tonight at 7…I plan on tuning in to watch Wilder run, but is there any other recruits that we have our eye on that I should be watching?
no suspension of course
but not that big of a deal…how many arrests now?
Be nice
Meyer has stated that Elam is a leader among this incoming class.
Question is- does he lead by example? Probably.
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by NoleThruandThru on Aug 27, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed....very unlucky or terribly stupid to get caught for this in a college town
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Aug 28, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I just noticed your signature and I laughed so hard
I was in that thread arguing with that guy when he said that. Pretty hilarious
alright i understand man if you have the time jst stop in if u want IS there anyone else who wants to DRAFT.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 28, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ok is it alright if i do a draft thread fan post or do u want me jst to do it in here?
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Wouldn't you?
He’s talented, but we aren’t hurting at DB. Can’t waste resources in chasing him all over God’s Green Earth.
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I swear that was a reply to trick...
Weird stuff goin on at TN these days.
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No, not really.
It’s not like we would be recruiting him over some other DB’s when we still need quite a few to fill out the class. We are done at DB and if we take anyone else I hope they’re an elite type talent. I don’t have any issue with giving the kid a call once a week and going to a game of his this fall and asking him to come for an official at some point. If he ended the contact then of course you back off more but keeping in contact isn’t “wasting” anything, imo.
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i say we should just close up the shop for DB
There’s some very good DB’s in the next cycle. (AJ legett, Blanks, Tracey Howard,)
by fsufrenzy911 on Aug 28, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
What about Beverly also?
We look to have 67 returning scholarship players for 2011 (unless I miscounted). That’s including anyone that still has eligibility left like a Bradham. So that’s 18 spots. It’s realistic to expect at least 5 players to leave for various reasons. That gets us to 23 scholarships for the 2011 signing class. We currently have 15. We need 3 DE and 1 more DT. We need 2 LB and 1-2more OL also imo. Throw in a possible TE and a 2nd WR and you’re looking at a 23-25 signee range, which we could easily work. Another DB doesn’t seem like a wise use of a scholarship (set to have 7 returning S and 6 returning CB, with maybe 2 of each in our current class) and unless all known 2012 QB’s to date are subpar, we shouldn’t take a 2nd QB in this class either (5 QB in 2011 unless one transfers).
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So you call him, and you send a coach to a game...then he he expresses interest, so you spend more time on it. He starts playing the game.
then FSU beats Clemson, and he flips back, and you think you’ve got him committed, so you are unclear with the DB picture, then he flips back to Clemson.
Not worth it. Waste of time. Also, it sends a message. We’re not interested in the bullshit.
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Lot of assumptions going on there.
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Fisher has done it again
The quarterbacks just keep rolling in.
Jacob Coker is a much better quarterback prospect than many people think. Craig had been watching him for a long time when he was in Alabama. Coker is 6-5, 210 right now with they say a strong arm, 3.0 average, think Ponder smart.
His coach Perry says Coker is going to make them at FSU look like a genius.
He only threw about 10 12 times a game so he wasn’t noticed that much by many, but he did enough to catch Fisher’s eye. They offered him right away after watching him at the camp.
“As soon as I got there, I talked to coach Craig and I immediately liked him,” Coker said. “Throughout the camp, I liked the way they coached me. When I went up to coach Fisher’s office and he offered me, I knew I wanted to play for him.”
“When they see him, he passes the eye test – big, tall, he’s got a commanding presence,” Perry said. “They’re looking at the tape and projecting him down the road. It takes some vision because we weren’t a pro-style passing offense. He’s going to make them look like geniuses.”
"It’s a great tribute to the kid," Perry said of Coker. “As a sophomore, he played behind AJ so he didn’t get many reps. Then we had a coaching change his junior year. We ran a misdirection offense … and really didn’t feature our quarterback. He probably threw the ball 10 to 12 times a game.”
Barton Simmons of rivals
“His opposition could be one of a few different options out of the state of Alabama. Quarterbacks such as Stephen Rivers and Broderick Hall have impressed at times this year but perhaps the passer with the most upside in Alabama is Florida State commit Jacob Coker. Coker has great size, a nice delivery and good arm strength. "
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I meant to add
The kid can run the ball also. He probably has about the rep Ponder had coming out of the Texas high school system.
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Coker
I did see his film, and if I’m not mistakened after some camps, he was bumped up to a 4* along with Devonta Freeman
Wish he'd go public but I'm starting to wonder if he wants to wait until during/after the season
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by NoleThruandThru on Aug 30, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
he said whenever it feels right
he wants to go to the u/ fsu game and he said if he mite take an official to fsu so we will c
Just out of curiosity
How would a coach like Gran teach Wilder to run lower? Do you have them practice hand offs under a net or something?
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Yep
there are drills like this where you run under a net or something that you dont want to hit your head on. It’s not too tough to correct, and should allow him to run with even more power than he already has, if that’s even imaginable
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One of the most important recruits we have (Along with Steward)
Much more than JWJ (On the field at least) and a bit more than Drew considering we’re still in the hunt from Rasco
by westcoastnolefan on Aug 31, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Personal reasons for Bell
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by NoleThruandThru on Aug 31, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Is an eloboration available?
Or is this one of those hush hush affairs?
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Aug 31, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't think so
I read it somewhere also, beside Tharinger, I think one of the pay sites. Pretty sure that there are going to be alot of other Recruits there this weekend. I hope that we sell out.
We aren't selling out
unless you’ve go about $40,000 G’s lying around.
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Ray Drew will go to most of our home games I think.
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And that's the thing
everyone acts like we trail UGA, but why would he spend such a large amount of time at our home games if we weren’t in phenomenal shape to land him.
If he attends every home game (some of the speculation I’ve heard), I’ll feel pretty good about our chances.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
I will raise my hand in the air
and say I don’t have an opinion or nary a clue on what Drew is doing. He’s played the process very well and hasn’t been an attention monger either
by westcoastnolefan on Aug 31, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He would go to our games instead of UGA's because it's like 5 hours closer.
He will go to UGA home game(s) though. I’m sure UGA has at least one home game when FSU is on the road.
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Oh I understand the distance thing
It’s just, wouldn’t it be a waste of his time if he wasn’t strongly considering us?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Depends how you look at it.
If he’s just interested on catching some free games it’s not a waste. But I didn’t mean he wasn’t considering us. I just don’t think him going to our home games is a sign or anything one way or another. If we were talking about someone like Terry Bell or Jermauria Rasco or Nick O’Leary going to all of our home games, that’d be a different story. Just depends on the situation with each recruit.
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Do you guys think the UGA mess off the field is going to play into Drew decision?
If he goes to the Samford game that’s really good sign for us. Next step is how Jenkins and White look, personally I think Drew would have been a FSU commit if our DE had shown any coaching over the last five years. If White and Jenkins technique dramatically improved in the offseason, I think he’s ours.
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My opinion is that coming to the Samford game and the UGA stuff won't have much impact.
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I'd much prefer Bell at a more atmospheric game.
I have low expectations for the Samford game, in spite of it being Jimbo’s first at the helm. Not even sold out.
I bet he'll attend a few
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I expect a blowout, so that's always helpful.
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no jax state re-run?
I remember swearing at the TV in disbelief.
Hopefully he makes it for a nail-biter against florida too.
I was at the game.
It sucked. But I don’t expect that at all unless it’s another downpour, and even then it should still be a much better game.
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45-12 +/- 7 points is about the range I expect.
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Any word on how hard UF is pursuing JWJ at the moment, if at all?
I remember thinking before we landed him that things wouldn’t settle down till nsd, but right now I absolutely expect him to sign with us.
Well all their fans think he sucks now, but who knows what their staff thinks.
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They're too busy chasing Bellamy ATM
In addition to other RB targets
by westcoastnolefan on Sep 1, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's the impression I got.
And that’s fine with me. JWJ is not our most important recruit (based on our needs), but it is sure nice to have him in the bank.
They'll keep tabs on him
Bama won’t go away though, nor UGA. We’ll have to keep recruiting him as though he’s uncommitted.
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 2, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Went to the Columbia / Brooks County Game
Was interested to see if Jernigan was still playing half throttle or if he was ready to turn it up a notch. He absolutely plows up plays when he turns the motor on and he did that again tonight on several occassions. Believe it or not he was also used at RB, scoring at least 2 td’s, one from about 25 yards out. Had about 60 yards on the ground in the 1st half. For a big guy he has some wheels. Coach got smart and used him as a decoy the next trip inside the redzone and had the QB run a bootleg off a fake to score from 10 yards out. I know he’s a very long shot to land in Tally but I just I’d pass along what I saw this evening.
Bowden's book has a banner ad on this site???
Am I the only one who finds this hilarious? It looks like Bowden didn’t hire the best P.R. people.
Very happy to see Steward and Drew talking with Karlos at the game today
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 4, 2010 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Are recruits allowed to be on the sidelines during the game?
Or do they have to go to the stands at kick off
They go up in the stands, just below the boxes in the endzone usually (at least that's where they sat when I was there 04-07)
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 4, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
were steward and drew
the only recruits at the game? Has anyone heard anything about their impressions of the game?
There were a lot of recruits there
there are a lot of rumors going around but seems everyone enjoyed the game
And people who were at the game say they talked to a recruit or family of a recruit and found out some stuff
but not sure how true it is
Bell, Williams, Mitchell
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Atmosphere was probably a little bigger in Oxford even though they lost.
“The Grove” is quite a sight during football season. I lived in student housing while my mom was getting her law degree. Got some very fond memories of Oxford.
That's one hell of a loss to witness though
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 5, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Another kid who was there was Chris Casher, a 2012 STUD from Alabama
Auburn folks think FSU has a pretty good shot at pulling him thanks to Dameyune Craig. It’s pretty early though.
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 5, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Fingers crossed for Bell.
He would really hit the spot. Bud says he’s a november decision if I recall.
Bell said he was november himself.
He wants to take his visits and enjoy the recruiting process. He will be a Nole in the end IMHO.
September Mock
Why not? :-)
QB: Jacob Coker
RB: James Wilder Jr, Devonte Freeman, Eric Beverly
WR: Rashad Greene
TE: Brandon Fulse
OL: Trey Pettis, Bobby Hart, Sterling Lovelady, Ruben Carter, Errin Joe
DE: Ray Drew, Giorgio Newberry
DT: Nile Lawrence, Derrick Mitchell, Terry Bell
LB: Terrence Smith, Tony Steward, Arrington Jenkins
DB: Keelin Smith, Lamarcus Brutus, Tyler Hunter, Karlos Williams
Total: 23
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- I know this looks very optimistic, but these are my current guesses nonetheless. Of the uncommitted kids, the biggest reach for me was Brandon Fulse and the easiest were Newberry and Carter. If FSU takes a full 25 I would add one more WR and one more DE, or possibly Brissett at QB.
- I wouldn’t be surprised if FSU took another QB if Brissett really wanted in, but for now I left him off. I think FSU can better use that scholarship at the moment.
- My hope got the better of me so I left JWJ on. I really hope he stays not only for his talent but his recruiting ability.
- If FSU does take another WR, my guess is it will be a kid not on our radar yet or Andre Davis depending on his qual status and attitude.
- I think Nick O’Leary goes to UM right now. FSU is going to have to fight like hell to keep Fulse away from Auburn if it does happen. A TE name to keep an eye on is Chris Barnett from TX. Currently favors Oklahoma and Arkansas but Coley is on him. If FSU beats OU next week, we will have his attention. Still a longshot on him though should we miss on O’Leary and Fulse. Even if FSU doesn’t take a TE this year, we will be fine.
- I’m back on the Joe train and Carter should be in the class unless numbers leave him out. These SD JUCO kids are intriguing, particularly Williams. He’s one to watch, think he’s the better prospect right now than Fahrenkrug.
- I think after this weekend FSU has a tiny lead for Drew. UGA is still right there and UF is making a push believe it or not. In the end it’ll be what we expected, FSU or UGA. Newberry should be wrapped up before the season is over. I am starting to come around regarding Rasco, but I’m still not confident enough to put him on the list right now. For now I have two DEs, three is a very good possibility.
- I think Bell ends up in Tally but he isn’t a done deal.
- I think we get Steward but Clemson won’t go away until the ink is dry. It seems like the coaches like Jenkins enough to place him in a JUCO. I’m also a little worried about Terrence Smith now that other programs have woken up and starting recruiting him harder.
- I think FSU is done at DB, but if we lose a commit or decide to take one more, I can’t shake the feeling that it will be Pryor. Hope we are done though.
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I personally think 3 DEs are a must.
Assuming they’re all FSU quality. Jenkins, Hicks and Werner are the only 3 I recall getting snaps with the starters. Stevens may get more next year as he adds weight. I’d be more comfortable with 7 quality guys there with White graduated and Jackson gone if he won’t contribute.
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And I don't think it's optimistic.
Only name I question is Fulse. The rest we are either in their top 2, co-leader or outright leader.
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Not to be picky...
But those SD JUCO kids are actually ND JUCO kids…North Dakota State College of Science/NDSCS…
by Noles Fan in ND on Sep 5, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoops! Good catch, my bad
You going to try and watch them play this season? We would certainly appreciate any updates/assessments!!!
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 5, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes Sir...
Only about 45 minutes down the road from me and I actually played my first two years of college ball at NDSCS in ’04 & ’05…
by Noles Fan in ND on Sep 6, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
No way JWJ does sign w FSU
I don’t even know why its a question, just because people got their hearts broke by Elam, now all UF recruits will decommit?
I think we take Fulse + O’Leary. Fulse is the more difficult of the two, epecially if he is determined to be TE. If not then bring him in and let him play both to see where he fits. I know a lot of people say “O’Leary wears the stuff that schools send him, so don’t pay attention to that”; BUT either FSU is sending him FSU gear every day…. or he just likes to wear FSU gear, because he wears a FSU hat every day to school. Why? I don’t know, but it bodes well for me. However, if Miami wins the ACC convincingly and FSU looks shaky I can definitely see him leaning back that way. Right now, though, I say FSU.
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Holy assumptions batman
Nowhere did I mention Elam in my post, not sure why you insinuated that I think there’s any connection between them. I am worried about Alabama with JWJ. You’re mistaken if you think FSU can just sit on its hands with him until NSD. He isn’t EE’ing and he was waffling one day before making the announcement. That’s why I think there’s a chance he goes elsewhere, but I’m sticking with him.
No way would any team get Fulse and O’Leary. Fulse is set on TE, just like JWJ on RB, even though both kids have better upside on defense IMO.
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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 5, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Googley-moogley Robin,
“You’re mistaken if you think FSU can just sit on its hands with him until NSD.”
Wher’d you pull that from? and B. Fortunately I don’t have any say on how the coaches continue to recruit JWJ. I don’t know why you think I do.
Speaking of assumptions (which is everything we both have done in the last 3 posts) Why do you believe that JWJ will decommit before signing day? What is the waffling one day before the announcement? He visited FSU 2-3 days before he announced to confirm. Doesnt sound like waffling.
Both Fulse and OLeary have FSU as a top school, and I don’t know if you noticed how much single-back “big” formations we just played vs Samford, but we played lots of 2 TE formations and have lots of playing time to offer both. OLeary is not the prototypical TE and is a bit small for blocking. There is no reason that FSU cannot sell Fulse as a TE and OLeary as a H-back, hybrid player.
"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran
Figured one assumption deserved another ;)
I didn’t say he’d decommit, I said I’m still worried about him. I can’t find the article with the JWJ quote but he said something like this a couple days before his announcement: “Today it’s FSU, tomorrow it’s Florida, in a week it could be Georgia”. I’ll keep looking for that article. He was really torn but he did say that his heart is FSU, so hopefully that remains the case. But other programs are going to keep recruiting him hard.
“There is no reason FSU cannot sell Fulse as a TE and OLeary as a H-back, hybrid player”. Not happening man.
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Sep 5, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
because you said no way does JWJ sign with FSU
I think you meant “no way does he not” sign with FSU.
by freshcollegeboy on Sep 5, 2010 11:28 PM EDT reply actions
ah, right, you are correct
I mis-typed and never caught it. Thanks, that could have caused some confusion.
"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran
I would bet on O'Leary to FSU
people around him seem that way and he connects better with our coaching staff which is very important to him
Consensus is that he loves our coaching staff but he loves UM's history and TE production
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Sep 5, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't really think we need to force something to recruit a guy, I think if Fisher felt good about our TE's we'd know by now
if we had a great receiving core of TE’s we’d prolly hear about it, or seen it in preseason or the first game. I doubt Fisher would show G5 in the Wildnole(?) just to throw off the scent of our All-american TE core that we’ve managed to hide for an off-season.
Given the chance I bet Coley/Fisher can sit down w O’Leary and break down exactly how he would be used in FSU’s O and why exactly we cannot do it without him (ala JWJ).
"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran
I really think our staff has probably done a better job in recruiting O'Leary than UM
However, if he wants to be a featured TE Miami would be a safer bet for him IMO. Taking off the G&G glasses and simply looking at history. And as NTAT mentioned, UF has evidentally made a big push for Drew. So much so that they’re ahead of Bama, Auburn, and UT. Drew has played the game well and rarely tips his hand but the consensus seems to be a FSU/UGA battle with UF sneaking up from behind and solidly in third.
by westcoastnolefan on Sep 6, 2010 12:56 AM EDT reply actions
Just for you guys
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2010/9/6/1672128/2011-recruiting-discussion-thread
2 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
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