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Florida State Seminoles Season Preview 2010: Quarterbacks

This is first in a multi-part series previewing the 2010 Florida State Seminoles.  Today we'll be looking at the quarterback position.  Florida State only lost 2 starters from its record-setting 2009 offense.  Remarkably, FSU returns 19 of the 22 players in the offensive two-deep and looks to be one of the best in the country for the second consecutive year.

QB Coach Dameyune Craig

Quarterback is the most important position on the field and Florida State has a history of having great quarterbacks.  FSU head coach Jimbo Fisher is regarded as one of the top QB coaches in the country.  He  will continue to mentor the quarterbacks as head coach, but will also be joined by new quarterback coach Dameyune Craig.  Craig played for Fisher at Auburn before coaching at South Alabama.  He knows Coach Fisher's system.  He also worked under Nick Saban for a year during Saban's brief stint with the Miami Dolphins.   His bio is here.  If Craig is anywhere near the QB coach Fisher is, FSU has a good one.

The 'Noles attack features red-shirt senior Christian Ponder.  Before separating his shoulder against Clemson, the 6'3" 228 lb Ponder was arguably playing better than any quarterback in the country.  Ponder had shoulder surgery around Thanksgiving.  He went through a rigorous and structured rehab process and was able to fully participate at the end of spring practice.  Ponder earned the top draft grade among returning college quarterbacks by a service that NFL teams contract with.  Ponder is extremely smart.  He graduated in only two years, then earned his MBA last season and is now working on a coaching certificate.  Coach Fisher routinely calls multiple plays and Ponder will diagnose the defense and check the offense into the best play.  In that regard, he is a bit like the Peyton Manning of college football.  The level of trust that Jimbo shows in Ponder is special and not something often seen in college football.  

Ponder is also very athletic, posting the best shuttle time on the team a few years back.  And of course he has a good arm with excellent touch in the intermediate game.  He's the best quarterback to step foot in Tallahassee since Chris Weinke and some believe he's better (with a lesser supporting cast, no doubt).  Florida State is promoting him for the Heisman Trophy and Vegas currently lists Ponder as one of the ten favorites.  Last year Ponder was 227-330 (69%) for 2718 yards, 14 TDs and 7 Interceptions in only nine games.  Against a brutal schedule, he posted a QB rating of 148.  

But it is the nine game season that troubles folks.  If Florida State is to contend for the Atlantic Division and make it to the ACC Championship game, Ponder must stay healthy.  He's a great leader, but he needs to understand when to pull up and when to dive for the extra yard.  I'd make a comment about cutting the 7 interceptions down to a lesser number, but when you think about the interceptions he threw, you quickly realize more than half were not his fault.  Against Miami he threw up a jump ball deep before half that was picked off in a 1-on-1 situation (1).  At the worst, the receiver needs to bat the ball down there.  Then Ponder didn't throw any picks in the next six games.  In Game seven against NC State, he threw an interception when a certain unpolished tight end ran the wrong route (2), and then had a ball tipped by a defensive linemen who the right tackle failed to properly cut (3).  Then against Clemson, with cracked ribs, he threw one when recently dismissed wide receiver Jarmon Fortson failed to make the correct route read (4) and then threw three more and was visibly hampered by the rib injury (5, 6, 7).  Four of the seven were clearly not directly on Ponder.  This is really about health and the continued maturation of the rest of the offense.  

Ponder can improve to historic levels if he just stays healthy.  If he does, Ponder could be looking at a regular season (12 games) in the neighborhood of 270-400 for 3250 yards with 21 TDs and 5 interceptions (a QB rating of 150).  Against a top-10 schedule, that is unimaginably good.  I arrived at that projection by taking Ponder's performances from last year, figuring FSU will throw a bit less this season because it should have the lead more often, and then extrapolating it over 12 games.  The touchdown figure might seem a bit low, but coach Fisher has shown a tendency to prefer running in the red zone.  If Fisher wants to pad Ponder's stats a bit, 3-4 more touchdowns are not out of the question.  Ponder is also probably good for 250 on the ground (400 without sacks as college football counts sack yardage as rushing yards).  It's not a stretch to say that Ponder could be the best quarterback in college football.  No, because of Florida State's stupidly-difficult schedule, he will not post the best numbers in the country.  But his performance will stack up against any QB in the country.

Backup E.J. Manuel missed Spring after undergoing shoulder surgery to repair a very partial tear in his rotator cuff.  The 6'4" 233 lb red-shirt sophomore's procedure was done as a precautionary measure to clean out some debris.Due to some bad luck last year (compound finger fracture), Manuel has not yet gone through a Spring practice.  The former mega-recruit did, however, look markedly better in Fall camp and is one of the best backups in the country.  His delivery has continued to improve.  FSU fans hope to see the 'Noles jump out to large leads in the few games against lesser opponents so the Gator-Bowl MVP can get in and grab some reps as he prepared to take the reigns in 2011.

Redshirt-freshman Will Secord is the 3rd-string quarterback.  Secord was really a bit more than the backup for Spring, however, because of Ponder's limited work load and Manuel's absence.  In case you don't follow recruiting, you should freshen up on the 6'3" 215 lb quarterback from Texas.  Here's some film.  He was rated a three-star prospect by all of the services.  Rivals had him as the #32 pro-style QB, Scout as the #57 QB, and ESPN: #60 QB.  Secord was heavily courted by Bobby Petrino of Arkansas.  Secord spent his redshirt year learning the offense and refining his footwork. 

The fourth quarterback is freshman Clint Trickett.  He is the son of Florida State Offensive Line Coach Rick Trickett.  His brother Travis is on staff as well.  Clint was probably the top quarterback prospect in the state this past year.  He enrolled in January completed spring practice.  Trickett is expected to redshirt as he learns the system and continues to mature physically.

Depth Chart

7 Christian Ponder 6-3, 228, R-Sr.
3 EJ Manuel 6-4, 233, R-So.
16 Will Secord 6-1, 215, R-Fr.
9 Clint Trickett 6-2, 185, Fr.

There are absolutely no worries at the quarterback position for Florida State.  Combine tremendous talent with great quarterback coaching and time, and you get a recipe for excellence.  You'd be hard pressed to find a team with a better situation at quarterback than the 'Noles.  

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You are correct sir.

A sign things are going well for the Noles this year? EJ gets plenty of mop up duty. Would be outstanding. Great job.

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 24, 2010 9:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Yea

I really hope to see EJ get some reps this year as well…preferably not with Ponder on the shelf with an injury.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Aug 24, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed.

mop up duty only.

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 24, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes!

Another of the really frustrating things about the lost decade was that we never put anyone away, so that the backups never got any playing time, except of course when our offensive ineptitude and terrible quarterback coaching caused a quarterback controversy (pretty much all the time).

by csfuu on Aug 24, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Decent USA article on Ponder

Ponder, meet Country, Country, Ponder.

Some fluff and a bit too much from Bobby but still decent.

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 24, 2010 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

That's quite good

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes but like Ann says, Ponder is Bobby's quarterback

Bring back Peter Tom Willis
Ann say hello to the grand kids

by DocHoliday2 on Aug 24, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

AAAAAAUUUUUUGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Sorry. A lifetime of overexposure to Bowdens has adversely affected my mental state.

by csfuu on Aug 24, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree on Ponder's projected rushing yards

You’ve set aside 150yds to be lost through sacks. I HIGHLY doubt Ponder will be sacked 20+ times.

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by basaltrock on Aug 24, 2010 9:46 AM EDT reply actions  

I figured 20 times in 400 attempts

How many would you say?

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

With the mindset that Ponder will only play behind the starting line...

Basically baring significant injuries, I doubt the trio of Datko, Hudson, and McMahon gives up more than 8 sacks. Even if the other 2 spots on the line give up 5 each, that’s less than 20 times. Would you say that each sack averages 20yds though? Ponder isn’t setting up that far back in the pocket. He’s definitely not a shotgun QB.

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by basaltrock on Aug 24, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oops, I meant 7.5yds per sack.

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by basaltrock on Aug 24, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

So 15? 16? 12?

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is Ponder a true 6'3"?

When I see him next to EJ, EJ seems to be a good bit taller. If EJ is 6’4", I’d think Ponder is more 6’2ish

by moneyNOLE24 on Aug 24, 2010 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

He's taller than me and I'm 6'2" flat.

I’d say he is 6’2" 1/2 or 6’2" 3/4

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd Agree with that assessment

As I float between 6’2 1/2" and 6’3" and standing next to him we were the same height

by FLAK8 on Aug 24, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Blesto Scouting Report has him at
6026

Which I take as 6 feet 2.6 inches.

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 24, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody else

having trouble seeing “new comments”? The only time I see comments that are yellow are when I’m actually on the page already and somebody makes a comment. I’m MISSING healthy discussion!

by NolenRyan on Aug 24, 2010 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Yup

was just about to ask myself. Looks like SBNation is having issues. Loading really slow too.

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 24, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, network-wide issues.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

6-3 sounds better

If UF can lie we can lie too.

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by DocHoliday2 on Aug 24, 2010 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Staying Healthy

Hopefully our running game is good enough that Ponder runs more as a change up that as a major component of our offense. I love to watch him run but…

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by SeminoleMike on Aug 24, 2010 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I think we'll see fewer designed runs and probably more free lance runs.

If folks respect his arm this year, right out of the gates, he might find more room on the roll outs with a lot of guys back in coverage.

Remember, last year, he started off as a very unproven commodity, so teams were still selling out to stop the run.

by arrdub on Aug 24, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think when you emphasized that we will not throw as much it may have been understated.

With some questions of consistency at WR among new and old WRs, our hopefully incredible offensive line, stable of solid RBs, and increased mass and endurance I believe we will see quite a bit more running. Just seems like the smart thing to do at least. Strong running games control the clock while wearing down an opponents defense. With defenses having to respect every facet of our offense, few can afford to cheat down or stack the box for fear of being burnt by our respectable (but not entirely all proven) WRs.

I am agreeing with you entirely, I just think it may be even more than you are stating which could affect Ponder’s chances at a Heisman even more.

by diablonole on Aug 24, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Misread it a little

You were talking about throwing in the red zone but I still think my statement could be true for entire game plan gravitating more to a run first orientation.

by diablonole on Aug 24, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I think we will throw about 10% less.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, but last season we were forced

To eat every second of clock. With a decent defense we may play more up tempo, and we should. The favorite should always want more drives per game. Of course, we won’t be in as many shootouts like Ga. Tech.

by Ponder This on Aug 24, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want less plays

To reduce risk of injury to our DL

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Let’s wear out the other team with our two deep(three in some cases) on offense rather than hope our two deep (one in some cases) on defense doesn’t get worn out or hurt. I know defense wins championships but alot of times its because that defense has a competent enough offense to keep the defense off the field for a good bit of the game. Even back in our dynasty day defenses you would see signs of our offense scoring so fast that our defense eventually got tired from being on the field all day and gave up points.

by diablonole on Aug 24, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are probably right but

I think we could see a lot of easy completion routes such as curles and outs to help open up the run game even more!

by rllewis on Aug 24, 2010 12:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

well they gave

That clemson qb his shot in the NFL. But really, how many successful NFL qbs played behind a bad line in college? It ruins them.

by Ponder This on Aug 24, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not something that’s easy to quantify. I would imagine most, if not all, NFL teams take line into account when scouting QBs but they are more interested in arm strength and speed of decision making because those are more quantifiable and can cover for poor line play a bit.

by evenflow58 on Aug 24, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

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