Florida State Seminoles News & Notes 08.24.10
by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2010 11:23 AM EDT
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PrintThe 'Noles had the day off yesterday so there is very little to report from Tallahassee. Let's take a spin around the ACC and FSU's schedule.
Here's a great interview with Mickey Andrews. Awesome stuff.
FSU running back recruit Eric Beverly, who tore his ACL in Spring ball, is still intent on playing for FSU despite the recent commitments of James Wilder Junior and 4* Devonta Freeman. Have to admire the kid's determination.
Big feature on Christian Ponder in the USA Today. Nice work.
Boston College lost wide receiver Colin Larmond Jr. for the season to a leg injury. Who? Larmond was BC's only returning receiver of consequence. It's not at all a stretch to say that Boston College has the worst receiving corps in the league. Of the 2423 receiving yards from last season, only 576 return. However, as BCInterruption points out, the Eagles have recruited the position better in recent years, and will increase their use of two-TE packages as they have two good tight ends.
Speaking of wide receivers, AJ Jones of Fox Sports rates FSU's receiving corps 5th. That's fair and I could make a good argument for the 'Noles being anywhere from 3rd to 7th in what is a loaded ACC group of wideouts.
Wake Forest named Ted Stachitas its starting quarterback. As you remember, Wake is switching back to the spread-option attack. All the quarterbacks in the derby were good runners, but Stachitas was the best passer and had the best commandof the offense. He played for Nease HS in Jacksonville. The ACC Journal has 4 thoughts on Wake. Here's one:
Lines a worry: Grobe has said repeatedly that this is the fastest team he's ever had. But September will start to tell the story of whether the lines can clear the way for that speed to operate.
The biggest concern on offense is left tackle. Dennis Godfrey appears to have won the job, but despite being a redshirt junior, he has almost no experience. His career has been beset by legal issues, injuries, weight problems (he's still 10 pounds over what the coaches want) and simply not knowing the offense. He spent his first two years on defense. Godfrey is backed by redshirt freshman Steven Chase, who looked good in the spring but also had moved from defense.
Meanwhile, the middle of the defensive line was not impressive in August, and the Deacons don't have a talented big body to clog things up. Several players in the rotation are in the 250-pound range.
Grobe said they're getting knocked back to the linebacker level too often. He may try an approach he's used on the o-line in the past: rotate a lot of players, so while they might not be the fastest or strongest, they're fresher than their foes.
This Miami writer has a nice take with the guys from FootballOutsiders. I have to send them my questions and have completely goofed in doing so until now.
Clemson loses LB Scotty Cooper. He was a backup and as always ShakinTheSouthland is on the case with analysis and not fluff.
PreSnapRead has looks at both Miami and Florida. He wonders if 9-3 will be enough for Miami. It really should be as the Canes, like the 'Noles, play 5-6 ranked teams including several in the top 10.
Chantrant.com contributor TomRob has a preview of Virginia. Excellent work as always.
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And they seem to be aware of it too...
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Aug 24, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Great skill talent
Not sure how their OTs will be or the middle of their DTs
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
That's the worst possible combination, in my mind
I’d rather have mediocre skill talent and be able to control the LOS. It’s a bad setup for their season.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
They do take their best OL and put them in the middle.
The center even calls the snap count
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Seems like the inverse of Boston College
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Aug 24, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Once a coach says
“this is the fastest _ we’ve ever had,” you just know its bad.
Fast
From what ive heard in the past, when a coach says this is the fastest team he has ever had it usually just mean they arent that good at football but they sure are fast.
Avoid negatives, highlight positives.
"We sure got some smart football players."
Thanks, Coach from Harvard…
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 24, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I see I'm not the only one who noticed that.
As soon as I read this I totally lol’d (not always a good thing to have happen at work).
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by SoCalNole on Aug 24, 2010 8:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
HA thanks.
Laughing at work is important in my opinion.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 24, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
But they have a QB from Nease
Was he home-schooled as well?
I'm hating all over your high school.
Signed, Alumni of Pace High School
:-P
Hell of a game Stachitas won in the playoffs against us his senior year. What was it, 49-48 or something after 4 OTs and decided by our kicker just missing the last extra point? Simply amazing game, one of the ten best all time in Florida high school history IMO.
I am good friends with the Stachitas family...
Played basketball with his older brother at Nease, who then went on to play college ball at St. Joseph’s when they were #1 in the nation, and then to play ball in Europe….and Ted is a better athlete than he is. I think by his senior year, Ted will be a pretty good college QB at Wake.
Well
The ’Noles had the day off yesterday so there is very little to report from Tallahassee.
I’m reporting no injuries. Hurray!
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 24, 2010 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Thanks!
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Bowden comment on Ponder
“Charlie led by the way he handled himself, while Chris was more vocal and would get after you,” Bowden said. “Ponder is right between them, a guy with all the qualities you want in a great quarterback. He’s big, strong, intelligent and has a natural leadership.”
I’ve heard very differently, that Ponder is a very vocal guy and is in fact the biggest leader this team has scene in 25 years. He’s far more vocal the Ward, but he can relate to the players in a way the Wienke never could (do to the age difference).
Wow, a quote frm Mr. Bowden that was positive.
I was cringing as I read it waiting for the other shoe to drop
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Aug 24, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
hold on a second -
are you trying to tell us he rattled off all those names and successfully paired the name with the actual player for this entire discussion?
im thinking ghost writer…
by 000111 on Aug 24, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ted Stachitas (with Nease High School)
played Pace (my alma mater) in the state semi-final a couple years back. Both teams aired it out all night and it went to 4 overtimes, before Pace missed a field goal. Ugh…
Then BTW killed Nease in the championship.
just realized
nobody probably cares.
by NolenRyan on Aug 24, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He seems to be the only "non-runningback/wr" in the QB derby
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Pace High School
Home of FSU greats like Thad Busby, DJ Norris, and Joe Surrat.
Alma mater of great posters like NolenRyan and CornNole
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
maybe not on the field
but he was a legend on the Tennessee strip
by ArsonistSavior on Aug 24, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
What's the deal?
Why no love for stilts?
Go patriots!
by BenDNole on Aug 24, 2010 4:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Great Mickey Interview
I didn’t hear a single bit of self pity unlike some other coaches who have left recently.
The difference being Mickey wanted out & realized he was past his prime.
BB still wants to coach and has no clue that he is senile. Probably has some form of dementia.
Honestly, this is a little far
Probably has some form of dementia
A man 30 years younger can make the same glaring mistakes and errors in judgement and he would be considered delusional. Bowden is still pretty sharp, but he is the same man Douglas MacArthur was. An encyclopedia of knowledge gone past his prime.
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Aug 24, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually agree with Jab here
Some of these press conferences that aren’t on youtube were atrocious. The media covered for him big time.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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He said he wanted to stay and beat Joe Paterno.
He said the NCAA ruined that with their penalties. Then he said he wanted to stay one more year.
Wait… what??
So would you rather consider BB a bitter, prideful man?
None of us are that close to him. However, we can deduce from what we know that:
a) he has lost his mind
2) he is bitter and/or prideful
D) he’s Bernie Bowden a la Weekend at Bernie’s (with Ann Bowden as the puppet master), or
blue) all of the above
F11) some combination of a and D
I believe he has partial dementia – which would explain most, if not all, of the last 5 maybe even 10 years.
Senility, dementia, etc. have technical definitions attached to them and not sure what is most appropriate.
Just pretty certain that his mental capacities are in decline — and that is said with a great deal of respect, admiration, and remorse for the man and his family.
The same man was tarred and feathered out of WVU, and handled it with a good deal more dignity. Just as Jimbo is not replacing “Bobby Bowden,” we’re not witnessing “Bobby Bowden’s” response to some trying circumstances in the present time. Very sad.
by arrdub on Aug 24, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Best quote in the Ponder story
Wes Bunting, director of college scouting for the National Football Post, rates Ponder as the top senior quarterback.
“Mentally, he’s light-years ahead of any other quarterback right now,” Bunting said. “I think he has the ability to become a very good starting quarterback in the NFL who elevates the play of everyone else.”
great praise
The Bowden comments made me sick on so many levels...
Why even ask him? Without going into the many reasons he has no business answering, the primary reason he should have never been asked is that he is not on FSU’s Staff anymore. Ask the head coach, ask the QB’s coach, ask the OC, ask the players, don’t ask the former coach. C’mon!
Bobby says
Ponder could have fed the ball to Amp Lee this year and we could have won big.
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by DocHoliday2 on Aug 24, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
"And, if he gets nicked up we can always depend on Dexter Carter."
Bring back Korey Mangum — a true Nole!
I thought this was the most odd quote in the story.
Florida State’s running game is modest. Junior Jermaine Thomas is the top returning rusher with 832 yards. No back ran for more than nine touchdowns.
I not sure that those are indications of a modest running game.
Mickey is a class guy, I agree, but
… when I listened to the interview I didn’t think he really answered the individual questions that well.
Maybe I need to re listen.
Perhaps I am sentimental after the Bowden nonsense of yesterday
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow,
I thought he had some tremendous stuff about family and hardship at the end.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Aug 24, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a great interview.
He was complimentary of the players and Coach Bowden. Took very little credit for himself. And as onebarrelrum said, some pretty deep stuff about family tradgedy at the end.
Edit
Wake Forest named Ted Stachitas its starting quarterback. As you remember, Wake is switching back to the spread-option attack. All the quarterbacks in the derby were good runners, but Stachitas was the best passer and had the best comment of the offense. He played for Nease HS in Jacksonville. The ACC Journal has 4 thoughts on Wake. Here’s one:
I’m assuming you meant command. Although it is fun to think he got the job because he had some nice things to say about the offense.
by evenflow58 on Aug 24, 2010 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes no doubt
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
My wife was friends with Stachitas’ older brother Chet, who played b-ball at St. Joes. Quite the Jax QB pipeline in the ACC
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 24, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions
I know I tend to overhype things but as for average running game
Yes we had Thomas who rushed for almost 800 yards in six games, who has been beaten out by Chris Thompson this year, Lonnie Pryor an Edgar Bennett type player, followed by Debrale Smiley known as lightning while he was terrorizing south Georgia high schools at 230 pounds, all ahead of Ty “superman” Jones. It seems very average compared to …..well exactly who?
The only thing that will save us is they will be running behind possibly the number one offensive line in the country. Other than that it all seems pretty average. Sports writers consistently demonstrate that you can draw a paycheck for being a failure.
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Doc
The article had great quotes, but I agree. It was poorly written, and as you noted, poorly analyzed. Isn’t 800 yards a good measurement for success of a sophmore running back?
I know total yards is not the way to go, but …based on general NCAA stats, if you take out the seniors and juniors that entered the draft, and change JT’s average over 9 games he ends up at 92.44 yards per game. There’s a lot of factors I’m leaving out here, including SOS, teams that were run-heavy, suspensions and injuries. But, what I do know is this:
A) JT only had 163 carries. There were 7 other backs in the top 75 with fewer carries and more yards (3 among major conferences)
2) He is the 25th top returning back at 5.1 YPC (17th among majors)
D) At 92.44 yards per game, he is the 18th top returning rusher from 2009 (12th among majors)
Fact is, the kid can produce and we have a good running game returning.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 24, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
FWIW
I just heard that Bobby Bowden is going to be on College Football Live, Thursday @ 3 on ESPNU.
ESPN also mentioned that after Bowden claimed he was fired the other day, that he has since come out and said that “fired” might be too strong of a word. Then the writer of his new book clarified how after the UF game Spetman and Wetherll met with Bowden and gave him the two options: 1) ambassador duty with no on field say, or 2) non-renewal of his contract.
Like I've said before
I am more than willing to make peace with Bobby. I hope the relationship can be salvaged (and it can if both sides refrain from making inflammatory comments).
Bowden Article
Don’t know if you guys have seen it but this was an interesting article about Bowden from Rivals.com (home page) Apparently he is staying out of the entire State of Florida to give Fisher breathing room…..here is the link:
isn’t he having his book signing in Tally the day before the Samford game? "Bowden will sign copies of his new book, “Called to Coach,” co-written by ESPN’s Mark Schlabach, at a Tallahassee bookstore the night before FSU’s season opener on Sept. 4 before he retreats to Panama City Beach to watch the game with his family."
How’s that staying out of Florida? He must have hired a hell of a Marketing/PR team for this book; too bad it’s almost all at FSU expense.
Except as Steve points out below, Bowden is full of it
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
This one where he bad mouths the university....
is good as well..
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=A2KIikd4fHRMVh4AnVUcvrYF?slug=tsn-166224
Not surprising that he is staying out of Florida giving interviews like that one……
Called to Coach: Reflections on Life, Faith and Football:
That is the problem we called him to coach and for 6 years running he refused to do so.
“— The coach-in-waiting philosophy FSU used with Fisher doesn’t work.”
Bobby hiring Jeff, Jody Allen and Amato doesn’t work either!
"I never thought (Wetherell) would ever do to me what he did," Bowden said."
At some point Bobby even the deaf begin to hear.
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Controversity sells books
If BB was just bland and telling all without creating any controversity, he wouldn’t sell many books. This tour is to sell books. We all know the story, if we hadn’t pushed, shoved, etc we would still have him and Amato.
Bobby’s fault has always total allegiance to his friends. He told me once that he could teach anyone to coach-his son finally proved him wrong. However, teach them how to coach his probably correct, but to have someone driven to coach, recruit, coddle and baby recruits is another. I remember Gene McDowell, driven all over south Georgia talking to prospects and then returning to coach LB’s and the next day doing the same thing.
Bobby early in his tenure at FSU, he would go to every booster meeting around the state, and then he had to slow that schedule down. However, Mickey, Amato, Jeff never were able to do that, Mickey attended very few that I remember. No one took his place and the staff just didn’t work that hard.
by rspknole1 on Aug 25, 2010 8:06 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
For Controversity.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
All in good fun
I actually really do like the word.
It’s one of those I could hear John Madden spit out during a Sunday brawl.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
It's like controversy meets diversity = controversity
Controversity is where you get everyone pissed you.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
That could be a false etymology.
I believe “controversity” derives from controversy + university (itself a derivation of unity + diversity), ergo making it mean “a controversy in which a unified whole composed of diverse parts – e.g., the United States, as a union of 50 different states; a university composed of diverse colleges – begins to break apart due to a major disagreement among factions within that unified body.”
Or something like that. I’m fuzzy on the exact phrasing. Anyway, it would characterize the current state of the FSU fans and the coaching issue, in which can be found the Bowdenite and the Reformist camps.
by Invictus13 on Aug 25, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As far as the faith part
Nietzsche left us with a stark warning1
A stroll through the mental ward proves that faith proves nothing……..Nietzsche
Bring back Peter Tom Willis
Ann say hello to the grand kids
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