Florida State Practice Report 08.24.10 Receiver Willie Haulstead Emerges?
by Bud Elliott on Aug 25, 2010 9:00 AM EDT
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PrintFlorida State practiced, then waited out a two-hour rain delay, then finished practice. Under coach Bowden the 'Noles would have called practice and gone inside the small gym. Under Fisher, the team waited it out and got back on the field. The rain delay gave Fisher the opportunity to press for the indoor facility. He also addressed those who said that one was not needed because there was no indoor facility in the 1990s by stating that there were no lightning regulations back then. Fisher is clearly opposed to going inside the gym and practicing and has been visibly irritated in the past when this happened and doesn't think it helps much. In 2007 FSU was embarrassed on national TV at Clemson after not having a single outdoor practice in the week leading up to the game. He's intent on getting a full practice in, even if it means the guys have to sit around and wait for two hours-- which is what happened yesterday.
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| Now 6'3" 214 lbs, Willie Haulstead may have won the starting job over Bert Reed. |
Coach Fisher was really happy with the team's performance after the rain delay.
When we wondered who would step up to replace Jarmon Fortson at the "z" spot, we looked at guys like Rodney Smith and Willie Haulstead to step up and fill the role. I don't think anyone saw Willie Haulstead beating out Bert Reed at the "X" receiver position. But that appears to be what has happened. Citing his ability to get open and his great hands, Fisher praised Haulstead for starting to realize his potential and playing with newfound confidence. Coach Fisher said the sophomore from Titusville would be starting over Bert Reed if the season opened tomorrow. That's a major statement.
There are a few ways to look at Fisher's comment. It could mean that Bert Reed is having an awful camp. I don't believe that to be the case. Reid has 80 catches and 1000 yards in his first two seasons and has continued to improve. It could be a motivational ploy to make sure Reed gets after it. I think it means Haulstead, who is very talented, is starting to put it together and showed out with a tremendous scrimmage. Haulstead likely showed excellent blocking as well in the scrimmage, perhaps going up against Xavier Rhodes. Fisher has to like that toughness. Florida State could absolutely count on Bert Reed. If Willie Haulstead is indeed ahead of or even with Bert Reed, it means Florida State is in good shape at the receiver position. Not to give anything away from the upcoming receiver preview, but it's not crazy to think that Reed, Haulstead, Smith, and Easterling will combine to catch 200 balls for 2600 yards this season. If that happens, FSU fans will forget all about the loss of Jarmon Fortson. I don't know if Haulstead will start over Reed, but I do know that its a very good sign for the receiving corps that Fisher would even float the possibility. You are beginning to see what happens when a team recruits very well at a position and then coaches up that talent.
In injury News, backup guard Blake Snider is likely out for the majority of the year. His ankle/foot/lower shin required surgery and Fisher said that he would miss at least 7-8 weeks. Left Tackle Andrew Datko returned to practice and everyone was happy to see him back. David Spurlock didn't practice in pads but people around the program continue to be confident that he'll return from his mystery injury later in the week. Safety Nick Moody returned to practice though he was not at full speed. That's extremely encouraging.
It also looks like Rs-Sr. corner Ochuko Jenije will be spending his time almost exclusively at safety. There was a time when Jenije was battling for the top corner spot. But then a few things happened. Xavier Rhodes really made a lot of progress in the off-season and showed that his performance in the Spring was not a fluke. JUCO CB Mike Harris made it into school and looked more than competent. And freshman all-everything recruit Lamarcus Joyner turned out to be much more impressive than anyone thought he might be coming in (considering he played safety and receiver last year in high school). Jenije would probably be third string at corner. It's not bashing him to say that its a good sign for the 'Noles that he isn't starting, but rather a complement to the other players on the squad. FSU fans should expect to see the more talented player develop and take the job from the lesser-talented player. That's what happened here. Jenije is a smart player and can help FSU this year at safety and perhaps in some nickel situations.
Portions of this article from the FSU SID Press Release
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Willie Haulstead
Just sounds like a workhorse type name.
Loving it.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
Hauls is the key part of the name.
“Hauls” in passes.
“Hauls” butt.
I was thinking "Stead" as the key part
As in horse or stud. But your references are equally appealing :)
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Willie Hauls in touchdowns in Stead of Fortson
by B-rod24 on Aug 25, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
If Willie makes it to the NFL
I SHUDDER to think what Chris Berman will come up with regarding his name. Surefire train wreck.
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We should start a creative legend to help his campaign for excellence
How about :
Willie Haulstead – The man who practiced catching cinder blocks as a child because footballs were considered emo.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
cinder blocks seems old school...
how ’bout sawblades?
by IndyFSUnole on Aug 25, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm, perhaps.
What about a Rocky reference?
Instead of just chasing chickens, maybe he bit their heads off and drank their blood?
Too much?
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'I'm not a Role Model" - Charles Barkley
Yeah, that's more Pedro Cerrano's territory
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 25, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
great movie!
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Bud
Over in the freshmen in OU’s 2-deep front 7 Fan Shot you osay Bob Stoops using the freshmen (potentially) as motivatoin. How come you don’t mention the possibility of using Haulstead as motivation for Reed here? I’m not discounting Haulstead, but to me it seems just as likely that Bert has the starting job locked up and Jimbo is pressing him to strive to be even better. Thoughts?
Because Haulstead isn't a freshman.
He’s really pushing for time.
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I am not sure if those Freshman at OK were true Freshman or not but if so they probably haven’t had a chance to grab a full understanding of the playbook and techniques to really pass guys who do indeed have that kind of experience. In our case its a little different because Haulsted is a Sophomore and has had two full camps and a spring of learning the way Jimbo and Dawsey want things done and executed. If you remember back to last camp Jimbo talked about how excited he was about Smith and Haulsted it almost seemed like he couldn’t wait to use his new toys. My guess is those two toys are finally ready to be opened up for everyone else to see how awesome they are.
With the idea that we could pass 10% less that means we will be running the ball even more so it would be beneficial for us to have two 220 pound guys outside kicking Corner backs butts all down the field rather than Bert. I also think that scaling some of Berts X duties down allows us to use him in other facets of our offense a lot more, having Taiwan and Bert working off of safeties and Linebackers is a huge plus for us.
by 21nole24 on Aug 25, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly, I didn't think of that
Probably because I’ve heard Fisher gush privately over how talented Haulstead is and how good he can be. But you’re exactly right in saying this could be motivational.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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I'm not saying it is motivational. I have no idea...
was just curious if you knew that Haulsted had definitely risen to the top. I agree that either way it’s only good for the team. You want guys competing and if Bert is our #2 then I feel really good about our top four WRs.
by moneyNOLE24 on Aug 25, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Jimbo said
that Haulstead really came out in the last Scrimmage, made several great catches; it sounds like this was earned and perhaps Jimbo wants to see how Haulstead takes it. Does he slack now that he’s on top? Etc.
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The door is always open for the starting spot
“Coach Fisher said the sophomore from Titusville would be starting over Bert Reed if the season opened tomorrow.” But the season doesn’t start tomorrow. It seems the title “Starter” is not something you earn once. Keep it up or else.
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regardless
if its motivational or legit, Haulstead/Thompson/whoever has to be putting up a good performance to be mentioned as a starter. Its good to see that our bench guys are showing something.
that would be a Bowden trick
I think Jimbo might actually mean it. Bowden and Mickey have a long history of changing the depth chart without really fooling the players. (see the book about the 91 season).
Whereas Jimbo actually plays the better guy (see CP7 and 2009 runningbacks)
by Ponder This on Aug 25, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Isn't that similar to what happened with Chris Thompson.
It seemed to motivate Jermaine Thomas to focus on parts of his game like blocking while at the same time it allows you see how a player handles the # 1 spot versus the #2 spot. JF is the best at easing players into higher pressure situations. This way both Reed and Haulstead become better players.
I did not think that was motivational
I thought JT overtook Thompson simply because Thompson coughed up the ball so much in the first scrimmage.
Thats exactly what I thought
when I read JImbo’s comments. I think he’s saying…Reed and Thomas, get your shit together and give me 100% every down.
I think Chris really outplayed JT in Spring and early in Fall
Don’t think that was a change made to motivate. It was made to reward CT and show everyone the best players will play.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 25, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Well either way...
its good to see the younger guys pushing the upper classmen for starting time. In the end it will just make the entire team better.
Right, and Jimbo has always said "Give me the best players"
Whoever is performing the best will see the field. I don’t think its directly motivational.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 25, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
excellent news all around
On the injury front, good to see datko and moody back with spurlock close to practicing.
Haulstead is a welcome suprrise. Should motivate reed for sure. If our top 4 guys can be consistent and dependable it takes pressure off the true freshmen to develop too quickly and have to play key snaps.
Loving the potential of our secondary. Fingers crossed.
by FtLauderdaleNole on Aug 25, 2010 9:22 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Very, very encouraging to hear Moody was practicing
even without pads. Groins can be fickle injuries. Even slight change of direction can aggravate it. So glad to see the injury isn’t too bad (it appears)
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Man....
The more I read, the more I can not wait!! I bet the players are ready to hit someone in the mouth and show what FSU football is really about!!!
Wasn't it Eddie Gran?
Talking about the running backs said “No running out of bounds – and when you get up, you better have some crud on you.”
Yeah it was Eddie
I think he said they better have some crud in them, and not run out of bounds. Something like that.
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Yes, it was crud.
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thanks for reminding me about that, I was purposing to use it in the workplace eventually.
Grace I call Your name, Oh won’t Your smile fall over me, I’m cracked and dry on hands and knees, Oh sweet grace rain down on me I need You grace
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seems to me that Reed fits better in the slot anyway
Ponder-Reed could be a scary combination without being pressed at the line. I expect a lot of those end-arounds if Haulstead/Smith can block with any kind of consistency.
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Don't fall asleep on Easterling's blocking ability
He’s one of those guys that get the defender to cry holding every time they run into each other. Just don’t let Ron Cherry in on this.
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by Caveman Mafia on Aug 26, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
probably true
I had a conversation last night with gene deckerhof. He agreed and said that there would be some pleasant surprises in the wr department…he mentioned this senario based on what he was seeing in practices.
by FSuni on Aug 25, 2010 9:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not to disagree with your overall point
But i wouldn’t take anything Gene says seriously.
by nolesblogger on Aug 25, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
true
He is just the play by play man, now if WF says it, you take it to the bank.
by Ponder This on Aug 25, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I've heard that spurlock's mysterious injury is a strained shoulder
From someone inside the program. Hearing he may not play in the samford game, but it is still a possibility
I'm sorry Spurlock is out with the concussion
Datko is the shoulder
Right, the continuous speculation seems to point to concussion
May be why CJF got all over Rhodes for litin’ people up
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 25, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
X and Z are outside. Y is slot.
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In the more archaic terms,
“X” is also referred to as split end (TE/weak side receiver). “Z” is your flanker (TE/strong side receiver). I’ve also seen “Y” used to refer to the TE in 2 receiver sets.
^^^^ This man knows his stuff.
I actually didn’t realize X was split.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 25, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
It's all relative to what console you're on.
The “X” receiver can also be on the far left, if you’re on an XBox, and “RB” is often the slot guy in a 5 WR set, and NOT the running back.
I don’t know what it is for a PS2.
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by CornNole on Aug 25, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
now i dont care who you are
That’s funny.
Coincidentally, the nintendo 64 probably died as a result of jumbling this all up.
But typically the split end is on the left at the line with the Tight End on the right inside Flanker, so the qb sees x,y,z as his targets. The routes are a bit different as are the blocking requirements so often a guy plays one position or the other.
by Ponder This on Aug 25, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
X receiver is also number one on your depth chart,
by design your slot receiver is your third best and your starting QB is on kickoff coverage
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Aug 26, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure, but...
…I hear if you can find it, it drives the ladies crazy
by Pinto on Aug 25, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I have never followed injuries to lineman before.
Are we having more than usual for the O and D lines? It sounds like we have guys that are out for a week then back in practice.
No this seems about normal
It’s why you really need to take more linemen than most recruiting fanboys would like. That’s why I love our recruiting guys.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 25, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
BUT
IT DRAGS DOWN OUR RECRUITING STAR AVERAGE!
/hahaha.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 25, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
You'll see at least 10 OL/DL brought in this season
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 25, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I think a luxury of having the level of seniority that we do...
is that it allows us to hold the experienced guys out if they’re nicked up at all. We can count on them to know what they’re doing even if they miss some practice reps, and give the younger guys more quality time, to make sure we’re healthy heading into the season. I think I’ve read Datko saying this explicitly.
This is nothing to the injuries we suffered through when Jon Jost was S&C coach
It seems like we had way more knees, acls, mcls, etc. go out than under his reign that before or since.
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I have a hard time beliving its motivational...
with all the excitment, changes, and being damn near a week to the opener if bert needs motivation then willie really should start.
bert is better fit for the Y anyway, imo that’s where he would be most productive
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by jfree on Aug 25, 2010 10:01 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
It may have not been done for motivation.
I do believe it will produce competition and motivation, just a part of getting better.
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IMO
I think Bert Reed is much better suited to the Y position, primarily due to his lack of size. I like having two big receivers at the x and z spots because physical corners become less of a factor, especially since there aren’t many 215 lb corners out there. I’ve been hearing a lot about Haulstead recently, not so much about Smith.
Bud, do you know if Easterling has recuperated from his achilles injury? If so I wouldn’t mind seeing Easterling and Haulstead split out wide with Reed in the slot. I’d rather that than using a TE that drops passes anyways.
by FSUPhi1584 on Aug 25, 2010 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Bud, do you know if Easterling has recuperated from his achilles injury? If so I wouldn’t mind seeing Easterling and Haulstead split out wide with Reed in the slot. I’d rather that than using a TE that drops passes anyways.
Indeed he has. He actually was “100%” last year, but I bet he’s better this year now a full year removed.
I think Bert Reed is much better suited to the Y position, primarily due to his lack of size. I like having two big receivers at the x and z spots because physical corners become less of a factor, especially since there aren’t many 215 lb corners out there. I’ve been hearing a lot about Haulstead recently, not so much about Smith.
He is, but Easterling is an excellent slot guy.
Smith has an upper-leg issue he’s been battling. I’m confident he’ll be good this season provided he’s healthy.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 25, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I also think Easterling is our best slot receiver
There’s nobody better on our team at finding and sitting in holes in zone coverage
by nolesblogger on Aug 25, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Both Easterling and Reed have an amazing ability to take the kill shot and somehow hold onto the b all.
Best I’ve seen in our program since E.G. Green. Maybe Christian Green has a little of that in his bloodlines, too.
Thanks for the info Bud
now it makes sense why Smith wasn’t really talked about. Hopefully everyone will be healthy for the OU game.
Sorry. I don't buy this.
I think it’s a combination of Jimbo’s motor mouth, and a propensity for us to blow stuff like this out of proportion.
I think that Willie probably had a stellar scrimmage that followed a very solid week of work.
I just don’t buy the fact that someone with the reps/experience Willie has, has all of a sudden overtaken our most dependable receiver. I believe the best players will play, and I believe that Bert Reed will be on the field in that first series against Samford.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 25, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
And that's fine. He's in "good hands" (get it?) and I'm sure we'll all love him like CJF when he shows what he can do.
Right now, I just don’t buy that he is clearly the starter over Bert.
On the other hand, as others have alluded to, I can see Bert moving to the slot, but that doesn’t mean he jumped him on the depth chart IMO
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Ponder did say that Willie has been really good
He is dependable, make tough catches, always find ways to get open. Ponder said Willie will be one of his go to guys because of this. Hearing that from Ponder could have made really step it up. But like you say he got to prove it, and Reed has already done that.
I think it will motivate Willie and Reed…..that’s a win win situation.
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I prefer a win-win-win
I’ve heard its the key to conflict resolution….
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 25, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by ricobert1 on Aug 25, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe it's motivation for
Willie not Bert. Willie and Rodney need all the confidence they can get considering they combined for 2 catches for 17 yards.
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Another good way of thinking about it
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 25, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I brought this up in another convo.
It’s a win-win comment. Especially if Bert is stuggling with being complacent, and Willie is stuggling with confidence. Remember all that psychological mumbo jumbo Jimbo paid out the butt for? Maybe this is exactly that in action.
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4 wideouts could do something like this
65 800
50 650
45 620
40 530
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 25, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
If Willie and Rodney both have 40+ catches that would be HUGE for the future.
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Over/under for # of catches by Smith and Haulstead combined
to give Ponder the Heisman?
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First of all, he won't win it because we will be in a much better position to run the ball more and throw less.
But, theoreticaly, I’d say it only jumps to 100 because he spreads it around so much.
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by SoCalNole on Aug 25, 2010 12:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i would not be too concerned about
Pior year catch numbers for a guy who was not on the field. This is college football. It is not uncommon to go from 0 to 60 or thereabouts.
Fortson 2008 to 2009
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Geez
His yards per catch went WAY down. Slacker.
I think Reed did the same thing.
Went 0 to 60……..may not have been 0, but I think it was less than 25
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Good point
I remember reading a quote from Thompson, when he was named starter. He was talking about the mental conditioning and how, in more or less words, he had to believe/convince himself that he was good enough to play with All-Americans like Ponder/Hudson.
Not saying this is the case with Willie, but who knows, maybe it is a confidence booster.
Willie is, in my opinion, the most talented WR on the roster and will be a great player over the next 3 years.
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Ree hee hee heeeallly...
Interesting. My thoughts are the same as arrdub. They’re only about an inch apart in height, and CG is already turning heads as a freshman.
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Personally I think they are similar, and Fortson was rated a 6.0 4* (just under 5 star status) and Haulstead was a 5.8 4*
Fortson is bigger, Haulstead, probably a little faster, but they both play tough and hit hard. Haulstead doesn’t appear to have the offfield issues of Fortson, which makes him a little better of a prospect in my mind; Don’t know if Haulstead can make the crazy catches Fortson did, but at the same time, here’s hoping Haulstead can be more consistent than Fortson.
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At the end of the day, does it really matter?
I say this because it’s become pretty clear that all four guys will play a ton of snaps this year. The fourth guy will probably play as much as the other three. I’m gald we have four guys that appear to be good, potentially great college WRs.
I think it is a big deal because of the loss of Fortson
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 25, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I think both sides of the "is this coach speak" argument are going a bit extreme.
IMO Jimbo is pretty transparent… If he doesn’t want you to know something he simply wont elaboate, but I have found over the past two years that he usually says the first thing that comes to his mind, so that’s pretty acurate.
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He won't elaborate, but he may stray from the whole truth...
as in, Fortson is being held out because of an injury. I’m just saying.
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Fisher plays plenty of games with his comments
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 25, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that he uses his comments motivationally, but I don't personally think he's playing chess with them.
I’m curious as to some examples.
I would say he uses the media, to motivate, but he’s pretty straight forward when he does. I .e. if he doesn’t like where a kid or a unit is at he will challenge them in his comments, but I don’t personally think he’s severly overstate points most of the time.
The Fortson thing is not a player challenge or strategy issue. He was just covering the situation up.
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thomas, reed, jenije -- the trend here is encouraging
glad we now have young talent and coaches committed to winning so we can have these discussions. more often than not, the lost decade was just advancing the guys with seniority up the depth chart. competition was nothing more than rhetoric. this is what we should expect if/when we bring in top 5 recruiting classes.
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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 25, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Haulstead and Smith
IMO, they are much better blockers and IMO, we are going to be a power running team. We are switching RB’s constantly and we are shifiting WR’s constantly sets up that we are going to be able to run the ball
I don't think this is a motivational tactic
being so close to the start of the season. Remember when everyone thought Craig Yarborough was a motivational tactic. Hopefully this one works out better lol
Self-destuction.
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by truecolors on Aug 25, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Blake Snider
I was looking forward to see what this boy could do. He was one of those recruits who nobody looked at except Samford, a one star I believe. It would have been interesting to see if could develop like Hudson another Trickett prodigy that people thought was to small and became an All American.
I enjoy the watching the small things like him and Faircloth getting some looks early. There wasn’t much talk about Faircloth earcly on either but he is a big mojo at 6-6. I believe Mississippi offered him a scholarship also along with Vanderbilt as he had a bad knee out of high school.
I am also watching Gehres and Bright intently!
Bring back Peter Tom Willis
Ann say hello to the grand kids
I'm interested in the WR depth chart / preview
x: Reed, Haulstead, Wade
y: Easterling, Shaw, Dent
z: Smith, Gehres, Green
Something like that maybe? Did I leave anyone out?
Personally, I’d rather have speed guys and play makers at the Y so that they get mismatched with LBs and safeties. I trust that our coaches know the best position to put Reed in though. Other teams used to do that with us all the time to get a one on one mismatch with their speedster against Mangum. Without any help over the top, we all know how Mangum managed and what the result was.
I put mine in the Running Back thread for some reason
if you want to take a look. Pretty similar.
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Either way you cut it this is good to hear.
Out of the 2 starters we lost in this offseason Fortson was the most worrisome. Carr at linebacker didn’t affect our best player on the team..Ponder. Despite Fortson’s drawbacks he was a blend of size and speed that could give teams fits and was in legitimate talk to go to the NFL. Glad to see more guys stepping up and I have complete confidence already in what Reed can do. This receiving corp could turn to be very dangerous. I’m also excited to see how Mike Harris develops. I think he could be a sleeper on defense.
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Training Facility
Seems a little out of place to comment on this after all the comments on the players….but what is being done to get this facility built? Is there a campaign to raise funds? Three are many schools that have these indorr facilities now, and it will not only be important to protect the players and coaches and to keep the practices going, but recruits will be looking for that too.
I believe the booster organization is heavily involved
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what happen to the 1 booster paying for the indoor facility when coach bowden retired?
by SUPER_NOLED on Aug 25, 2010 10:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Think financial troubles
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Speaking of the departed Fortson
I bought myself a North Alabama t-shirt yesterday.
That's awesome. I want one.
Buy now?!
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 25, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
my buddy goes to school
and works there. I can get one from him.
oh and before you ask, yes he used to go to FSU, but he broke into a car, then fell asleep in a mcdonald’s drive-through, smoking weed.
by NolenRyan on Aug 25, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
cause
it’s where we throw our players away…
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 25, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do they come in Garnet and Gold? They might sell more shirts that way.
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Speed reed
Bert is the most dependable wideout we have, easterling is dependable also but as for as holding onto the ball when your getting ambushed by that south florida guy. Getting smashed on the sideline by that kid from maryland. I dont think hes complacent at all, im sure willie dependable in practice but speed reed is a great player.
OK I like this
Im prob the #1 Reed fan here. Im from PC (though I went to Rutherford in the good days) But I have felt that Reed was the best WR we have next Esterling. To see that we have another WR that some might think are on the same lvl that makes me happy. From what I understand the starting pos. is just a title. FSU is a Spread Off. That means we run a lot of 3WR sets. and we do. What I dont think people will see in this is that Easterling and Reed can run every WR pos. on the field for us. Now we have a 3rd person to put in there. So who will be the bubble guy, the deep fade, the slant. They can change where they line up and dont have to play the X,Y,Z. I dont know if that makes since.
Its like this, X,Y, and Z are pos. right, well what do they do. If they all run dif plays then when they a CB will have to learn 3 dif things for the Z. If they run the same then the CB has to learn the Z pos as a whole. That makes one play turn into 9 dif plays. make since yet. Now throw in the RB. They all have dif styles. Jones is in faster outside great screens, JT I think of him as a balance, and then the beef that can smash it up the mid.
Now I dont know if this is the Idea but thats how I see it. If Reed and Haulstead go in and one play Reed is the Z and the next hes the Y What would you think is coming. Now if they run the same plays there is more that JF can throw in. Also what about checks. Could we start seeing them move more and chance the set from a flex to whatever.
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Good take Des
I do think you could see more of the moving around as you suggested
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Haulstead - Great Kid!
I had the privilege and opportunity to coach Willie as a freshman at Titusville High. From the first time I saw him step on to the football field (he was big in to baseball at the time) I thought that if he keeps his act together and his head screwed on right, this is someone we’ll be seeing play on Sundays… He is a very good kid, works his tail off, and was alway a “coachable” kid. I’m not sure if he’s really beaten out Bert Reed, if he has then he must really have come on the latter part of fall camp. All I know is that we’ll have some awesome talent at the wideout positions with the group that’s being touted. This should be a fun year to watch the offense!
Dude name Eric Hall
still at Titusville? Was a teacher and helped coach on the FB team I believe.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 26, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks coach Joe!
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