Florida State Seminoles Season Preview 2010: Running Backs
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| RB Coach Eddie Gran |
This is second in a multi-part series previewing the 2010 Florida State Seminoles. Today we'll be looking at the backs. Florida State only lost 2 starters from its record-setting 2009 offense. Even more impressive, FSU returns 19 of the 22 players in the offensive two-deep and looks to be one of the best in the country for the second consecutive year.
Quarterbacks | Running Backs | Pass Catchers | Offensive Line | Defensive Line | Linebackers | Defensive Backs
The running back position received a major upgrade with the addition of coach Eddie Gran. FSU fans will remember that former RB coach Dexter Carter was effectively relieved of his duties as running backs coach around mid-season after his backs missed 70% of the proper holes in the Boston College game (backs combined for 15 carries for 23 yards). The backs were poorly coached and the offensive coaches were clearly unhappy that the under-qualified Carter had been forced on them. Enter Gran, who is widely regarded as one of if not the top running backs coach in the country. You can read up on Gran here. And a tremendous profile of Gran the family man here. Having coached backfields that led the SEC in rushing 5 times, Gran has a reputation for being very detail oriented. Most teams stash their best recruiter at running back coach, even if he can't coach. Gran is arguably FSU's best recruiter, but he is also a tremendous coach. He's also an excellent special teams coordinator, a role he will continue to fill at Florida State.
Florida State carries six scholarship running backs, though 4th-stringer Tavares Pressley will miss the season with another torn ACL.
The Tailbacks
| RB Jermaine Thomas |
The backs begin with Jermaine Thomas. The Junior from Jacksonville's First Coast HS has been a standout performer for the Noles in his first two seasons. The 6'1" 197 LB Thomas led the Noles in rushing last season with 810 yards and an impressive 5.10 average. Thomas greatly benefited from the Carter role reduction. Just have a look:
| Carter | Post-Carter | ||||
| Vs. |
# |
Yds (Avg) | Vs. |
# |
Yds (Avg) |
| Mia | 7 | 10 (1.4) | GTech | 19 | 98 (5.2) |
| Jax St | 2 | 8 (4) | @ UNC | 4 | 17 (4.3) |
| @ BYU | 6 | 23 (3.8) | NCST | 20 | 186 (9.3) |
| USF | 1 | 15 (15) | @ Clem | 26 | 119 (4.6 |
| @ BC | 10 | 21 (2.1) | @ Wake | 25 | 149 (6) |
| Maryland | 11 | 44 (4) | |||
| @ UF | 7 | 21 (3) | |||
| WVU | 25 | 121 (4.8) | |||
| Total |
26 |
77 (3.0) | Total |
137 |
755 (5.5) |
Thomas went from 3.0 yards per carry to 5.5 yards per carry under the instruction of the offensive line coach instead of the running backs coach. It should also be noted that Thomas battled injuries earlier in the year, but the improvement was noticeable across the board for all of the backs.
Jimbo Fisher was rumored to be very disappointed with Thomas early in the year. Could it be that some of that frustration was caused not by Thomas, but by the guy instructing him? Perhaps, but Thomas did not have a good Spring and entered Fall camp as the #2 tailback behind Chris Thompson. The move was made because Thompson was outplaying Thomas. However, Thomas stepped his game up and seized the starter role last week after Thompson had a disappointing scrimmage including some ball-security issues. Thomas' main issues had to do with assignments and blocking. He has apparently improved on those enough to hold onto the starting job.
In any case, Thomas is a good back who fits Florida State's zone scheme. Some believe that Thomas will become Florida State's first 1000 yard-rusher since Warrick Dunn in 1996. If he can keep his 5.1 average, he would need 196 carries to get there. That's 33 more carries than last season. It's possible, but remember that while at LSU, Jimbo Fisher's offense once led the SEC in rushing without having a single back eclipse the 550 yard mark.
Thomas played a lot of receiver in high school and has excellent hands. As with all the backs, look for him to have an expanded role catching passes out of the backfield in 2010. He caught 17 balls for 129 yards last season that could increase this year.
Inside, find the writeup on the remaining four backs!
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| RB Chris Thompson |
Next up is Sophomore Chris Thompson. The 5'8" spark plug from nearby Madison is another one of the promising players from the 2009 offensive class. Thompson battled injuries and the death of his grandfather last season, but still played well when called upon. Chris Thompson rushed for 120 yards on 23 carries, a 5.2 average. He also caught two balls for 10 yards. Thompson has tremendous hands and it's entirely likely that he catches more balls as he has an increased role in the offense. Thompson is a quiet, no-nonsense, yes sir, no sir kid with a tremendous work ethic. He knows his role in the offense and is not afraid to stick it in there and block when called upon to do so. Thompson is incredibly quick and is surprisingly effective between the tackles.
He had a tremendous off-season and is now up to a rock-solid 185 lbs. As I detailed above, Thompson actually gained the starting job over Thomas for a time following a great Spring and a good fall camp. That lead was small, however, as Thomas re-took the lead over Thompson after Thompson had a poor scrimmage. Regardless of who starts, both players project to get a large amount of playing time and are weapons for FSU's offense. If Thompson proves he can hold on to the ball, he'll likely see a larger role.
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| RB Ty Jones |
Carlton Jones, AKA "Ty" came to FSU from Tampa Middleton HS as a relatively unheralded two-star recruit. Even those who followed Tampa HS ball were not that impressed with Jones, though he did show some flashes. But he overcame some academic issues and made it to Florida State in the Fall of 2008.
But academics aren't Jones' biggest problem. Jones struggles with Type-1 Diabetes. He failed to manage it over the last two seasons and as a result, his weight fluctuated wildly. He did not do what was expected of him and going into Spring was essentially still a freshman in terms of physical development. Jones has also struggled picking up the mental part of the game, with costly missed assignments and blocks.
Back in Spring I wrote:
But when Jones is on, he can really play. He's just been wildly inconsistent. This Spring, Jones needs to show a serious dedication to taking care of himself. He has a ton of ground to make up in the weight room. Jones is not an effective player at 200 lbs, but could be very good at 225. It's very likely that Jones 2010 season will decide whether he finishes his career at Florida State or transfers. And Jones must really put it together right now in order for him to even get a look during the regular season.
Thanks to some personal dedication and the great new strength and condition program installed by coach Fisher, featuring a strict nutrition regiment and mental conditioning, Ty Jones has been much more impressive than anybody thought. Per Fisher, Jones was up to 218 lbs in May. He's likely 215-220ish right now.
"People don’t realize, Ty has severe diabetes and he didn’t eat right ... and his weight would fluctuate,'' he said. "It affected his performance, his attitude, his mood, everything he does.''
That's really encouraging. We've also received reports that Jones has been more motivated with his academics and is attending class regularly. That speaks to his maturity. Jones still needs to work on his blocking and his assignments, but getting his body and his mind right was clearly the first step. Jones offers a unique blend of power and leverage and if he earns the opportunity, he could do some damage in this offense.
The All-Purpose Back
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| RB Lonnie Pryor |
Next on the list is Lonnie Pryor. The 6'1" 214 lb sophomore from Okeechobee was a sensation as a freshman. Many felt he would need time to acclimate himself to Jimbo Fisher's scheme due to concerns that he did not fit within the zone scheme. That was unnecessary, however, as Fisher simply did not ask him to run in the zone scheme. Pryor showed that he is an incredible team player and thrust himself into the offense with his willingness to block. He understands the offense. He blocks. He has excellent hands. And he really is the do-it-all guy for the 'Noles offense. Pryor never seemed to mess up. Ever. Even at 210 lbs, FSU stuck him at fullback a few times and held his own
But where Pryor really excelled was as a Shotgun back. He protected Ponder and Manuel with crushing blocks. He did a nice job on draws (including the game winner against Maryland). And he was sensational catching the ball out of the backfield. Oh, and he was tremendous on special teams as well. And he's a great glue guy. It's tough to do anything but praise Pryor.
In Spring I wrote:
So how does a guy who was arguably the freshman of the year improve? It would be tough. Pryor could probably add 10-15 LBs to his frame without sacrificing much, if any quickness. The bigger question is whether he has improved to a point as a runner where he can consistently run in the zone scheme. It's a minor worry, but opponents could pick up on a tendency when Pryor is in the game. The best guess is that Fisher will continue to find ways to use the talented sophomore.
Pryor didn't add 10-15 lbs to his frame. He added 5 or 6, but also increased his agility. That could allow him to run more in the base offense. Pryor is easily a 400+-snap player, but the question is "where?" Pryor will play a good amount at the fullback position and will also see time from the tailback spot. FSU has shown that it will run some more non-zone plays and Pryor might be featured heavily with those this year. He's an excellent weapon to have and a matchup problem for opposing defenses. Great offenses always have a guy like Lonnie Pryor. He just does it all.
The Hammer
Next up is the 6'0" 235 lb Debrale Smiley. Smiley is a Redshirt Sophomore who enrolled this January. He originally played for Thomas County Central HS in Thomasville, Georgia and spent two years at Itawamba CC (Mississippi). Smiley is a freak of an athlete and unfortunately it appears his film has been removed from Youtube due to the use of an unauthorized soundtrack. He can move really well for a back his size. I would compare him (stylistically, not talent level) to a young Jerome Bettis. There is a ton of hype surrounding Smiley.
But that hype needs to be controlled. Because he wanted to have three seasons of eligibility at Florida State, Smiley took a redshirt year last season at his JUCO and focused solely on academics. He last played a football game in November of 2008. His first carry in Spring ball was the first carry he had in 15 months. He was not in great shape when he arrived, but FSU didn't expect him to be considering he took the year off. But Smiley is a very mature guy. Smiley looks about 40 years old. Suffice to say, he is not your typical sophomore.
In Spring, I wrote:
As for Spring, Smiley comes with a ton of questions. What kind of shape is he in? How is his hip flexibility? How quickly can he grasp the scheme? What plays can he run? Can he catch? How much fullback will he play (Smiley understands that he needs to play some fullback to showcase his talents to the NFL)? How much of a role will he have in the offense?
Answers to all of these questions should be forthcoming, but the one issue that is not in doubt is that he is a very large grown man who runs extremely hard.
Smiley did a nice job answering the questions. He came in and worked hard, whipping himself into shape (losing about 12 lbs of bad weight while gaining strength). He worked to learn the offense and accepted his role at full back behind Lonnie Pryor.
Expect Smiley to get some carries on the goal line. If he shows the ability and willingness to block (and he might turn into a tremendous blocker), he could see a larger role in the base offense, perhaps even earning non-goal line carries.
Outlook
Florida State has a nice, deep collection of backs. None of these runners are likely to contend for the Heisman or conference player of the year, but they all complement each other well and FSU fans should be confident that the running game will continue to be quite good for the third year in a row-- particularly if teams continue to focus on stopping the pass. If I had to rate this group as a unit within the ACC I would place it behind Virginia Tech (obviously), Miami and Clemson. BC certainly had Montel Harris and there's an argument for BC, but they don't have anything impressive aside from him so I hesitate to call the BC unit better. I am convinced the backs will play a larger role in the passing game this season and believe it is something FSU needs to do if it wants to have the best offense in the country.
What are your thoughts? Which back are you most looking forward to seeing?
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I was supposed to get some work done this afternoon…. thanks Bud! :)
small editorial stuff
starting hob = starting job
failed the manage = failed to manage
he’s was not = he was not
Thanks. Tried to take the framework of my Spring preview and change it.
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Also, Dunn's 1000yd seasons
were 94, 95, and 96, but not 93.
From: “Some believe that Thomas will become Florida State’s first 1000 yard-rusher since Warrick Dunn in 1993.”…
That's a great catch. How did nobody snag that in Spring?
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Also
This is first in a multi-part
This is the second in a multi-part. QB’s being the first.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 25, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
One more
The part on Pryor.
as Fisher simply did not ask him to do run in the zone scheme.
Small but sounds strange. Maybe just lose the ‘do.’
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 25, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Grin
“Maybe just lose the ‘do.’” You boys are crazy!
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m.youtube.com/watch?desktop_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DuTqnam1zgiw&v=uTqnam1zgiw&gl=US
by The K-Man on Aug 25, 2010 4:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Simile
I think he was going for “simile” (think about it).
question is, did he use 'like' or 'as'
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by SteadfastNole on Aug 25, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
This is exactly the lunch time fix i needed.
Poor TP, he must have dried-up rubber bands for ligaments. I wonder how close he is to just giving up..
I do not expect him to get another year here.
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I'm looking forward
to seeing what Gran has coached other than hitting the correct holes and blocking. Can you coach vision, running technique? VERY encouraged that he was able to reel in JWJ.
I expect Gran to turn Pryor into the nest Cadilac Williams
Anything less will be a failure! I kid I kid
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Question for the future:
2011:
Jermaine Thomas – SR
Chris Thompson – JR
Lonnie Pryor – JR
Debrale Smiley – RS JR
Ty Jones – RS JR
James Wilder jr – FR
Eric Beverly – FR
Devonta Freeman – FR
That’s 8 scholarship RB. Too many?
10 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
This is assuming Tavares Pressley is gone, and Eric Beverly doesn't greyshirt.
10 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
Man
That’s a tremendous backfield…no matter how you look at it…smh.
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You figure FSU will have
4 QB
8 RB
5 TE
12 WR
15 OL
16 DL
10 LB
18 DBs
2 ST guys
That’s 90. Can only have 85.
Pretty clear that there will be a lot more attrition to come.
I keep a list of guys who could go. You guess at the reasons.
Will Secord
Ty Jones
Cam Wade
Taiwan Easterling
A.J. Alexander
Josh Gehres
Jabarris Little
Antwane Greenlee
Blake Snider
Jamar Jackson
Moses McCray
Nigel Bradham
Mike Harris
Avis Commack
Terrance Parks
Ed Imeokporia
JaJuan Harley
Justin Bright
Already gone
Jarmon Fortson
Dionte Allen
Think 6-7 more are gone off that list.
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I see the extras being
Bradham-Pros
Ed Imeokporia-don’t do nothin
Jabarris Little-gets passed by younger TEs
Easterling-Baseball
Then just really throw a lot of those names in there. Bright, Jackson, Wade, Alexander, even Harley (needs to prove he wants and is able to play football this year) Commack, Secord (I think Clint is ahead of him right now perhaps), McCray may never be healthy…
Would like to see Parks prove his worth and not leave early (or get booted or whatever), Maybe Harris accepts his role of back up adding quality depth, Gehres has a chance to prove his worth. Don’t know enough about the Oline guys. This year they have room for them. Next year it could be guillotine city…
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 25, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Cam Wade-LostHellaSwag
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Maike Harris ?
Because he can only play two years not because of skill I presume. In my opinion Harris is very underrated. He is a hell of a ball hawk.
class of 99
Just if he wants major PT
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For Mike Harris to transfer,
wouldn’t he have to do so in the next few weeks? If he transfers after the season, wouldn’t he be sitting out his senior year? If thats the case I would assume a redshirt would be awaiting him at his destination. I’m not sure I understand his situation fully.
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Aug 26, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean to a D2
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Thanks for the clarification.
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Aug 26, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
2011-
That’s a lot of talent in the backfield. Maybe Beverly redshirts with his injury and Freeman b/c of PT, but how do we think those carries get split up next year? Lot’s of good competition at this spot. Can’t wait til our D-Line feels like that.
No doubt Beverly and Freeman RS
otherwise,
RBs
Thomas/Thompson
Pryor
Wilder
FB/HB/TB (whatever you want to call it)
Pryor
Smiley
Wilder
I don’t know if that helps much. I agree. a lot of carries to split.
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Awesome work
I still have no idea how you do this everyday without getting paid.
Very excited about the RBs, and despite JT’s yardage total last year I do not expect any of the RBs to have more than 750 yards this year. If they do and its not a result of injury, giddy up.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 25, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions
I recycled the Spring preview with some tweaks
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My Guess
Cam Wade
Jabarris Little
Ed Imeokparia
AJ Alexander
Avis Commack
I'd like to see FSU take 27 this time
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Bud you really think Parks is still on the chopping block or is this what you had coming into spring?
What I had coming into Spring
Looks like he has the spot locked down
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Any news
on how the AJ Alexander WR experiment is going?
he is in practice photos
so I guess its going. I think he only sees playing time if he sticks it out as a senior.
I wonder if he also wouldnt be a RS candidate like Avis. Isnt that how everyone used to do it? play freshman and then RS them as sophs? I think I remember that being true.
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My unofficial-non-insider-somewhat biased-but 'looks good to me" WR DC
X
Smith SO – starter, no question. No one really to compete w right now
Wade RS JR/Green FR – Green perhaps takes over later, he just needs the reps @ WR to make the mental decisions. Wade has been in the system for 3 years, he must have picked up something.
Gehres RS FR – he will get playing time, still young.
Y
Easterling JR – like smith, he has the Y spot; if Wade or Green stumble I could see Easterling moving over behind Smith
Shaw FR/Alexander SO New Frosh or young Athlete? I think both have reasons to get reps and will have catches.
Dent FR Haven’t heard a lot from practices, so I think he RS behind a polished route runner shaw and a guy whos been in the system, Alexander.
Z
Reed JR – I think takes back over Z but perhaps gives up some of his reps to Haulstead who I think is more of a deep threat.
Haulstead SO – Just needs to be consistent, had a few dropped passes last year with limited reps. I like what I hear so far. I’m excited.
Gehres RS FR – I think his hands are too good to keep off the field and will get some reps.
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What exactly are the differences b/w the X, Y, and Z positions?
by Gulfport Nole on Aug 25, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
X is weakside, Y is slot and Z is strong side
pretty sure I got that right
by osceolafan2.0 on Aug 25, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, but while we're on the topic...
….what exactly is it that differentiates b/w the weak side and the strong side?
by Gulfport Nole on Aug 25, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Weak Side
no tight end, strong side tight end.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 25, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
So if you are running
to the strong side you are running to the side that has a TE blocking.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 25, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That is a great
quote from Fisher talking about how diabetes doesn’t just hurt Jones’ weight but also his whole mindset, attitude, everything. Diabetes really does play a part in your overall chemistry. Got to balance it out. Glad to see Jones is making progress with that.
I see Smiley as replacing Pryor as the main fullback. Not because Pryor lacks the ability but will give him a chance to shine in other areas. At least that is my hope. Really would like Smiley to become a great FB blocker, goal line RB, and maybe a reg RB on a couple plays. Without seeing him play very much, he looks like he has the tools to be a pro fullback. Hope he shows that he is capable of that this year.
Really want to see a one two punch with Thomas and Thompson. Would be fun to see them both on the field at once, maybe substitute either for Pryor here and there in some double back shotgun stuff. They could run, motion out to WR, catch in the backfield. Possibilities are endless. Man, makes me all giddy thinking about it.
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Just rewatched NC ST game
and i’m am positive both Thomas and Thompson were in the backfield at the same time. Usually Thomas blocking for Thompson.
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might have some of that game on the DVR still. Have to find that.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 25, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah man,
but don’t be afraid to post a link on this board so others that may have missed get to see it.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 25, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Love me some
Jermaine Thomas. Kid’s got super hands, excellent balance and vision. IMO the only drawbacks are his upright running style which makes me cringe everytime he get’s the ball b/c I just know he’s gonna get creamed (but so far so good) and he’s a step short of elite speed.
I don’t expect to see him relinquish the starter’s role anytime soon.
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levy...
I laughed when I read your reply cause I have the same reaction when I watch him run. I was rewatching last years bowl game (probably the 5th time so I can still get my football fix) and my wife actually commented on his running style. 80)
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I think we may have the best all-around RB group in the ACC. What’s your reason for ranking us behind Miami and Clemson?
Isn't Miami's Graig Cooper
out for the season?
by fsufrenzy911 on Aug 25, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
heard or read (brain these days)
may be back earlier than expected. Could but just hope.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 25, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd trade ours for Ellington/Harper
And Miami’s James/Berry combo is sick
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and much like BC
I think our line is much better than our backs
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While
I know this is a review on the RB’s, I think the Oline ties so much into what they can do. I know you know that as well as anyone. Having said that do you think those teams will have olines that are capable of making their back perform better than ours?
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 25, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Clemson's should run block pretty well. I am skeptical on Miami.
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I didn't disagree with your rankings
Just hope when all is said and done our guys have better stats/production because of the coaching and surrounding cast. Not necessarily because they have more pure talent.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 25, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Can someone tell me what it means to be a good Zone runner?
What attributes does Thomas have that Pryor doesn’t? Would Pryor be better off in a different system?
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by Kelvin Hunt on Aug 25, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is a pretty good list
Cam Wade
Jabarris Little
Ed Imeokparia
AJ Alexander
Avis Commack
I don’t see Harris going anywhere unless it is grades. They have been touting him.
Bring back Peter Tom Willis
Ann say hello to the grand kids
But his last shot at the NFL... can he impress as a backup?
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That's the question, but it is possible to do.
Didn’t Antonio Cromartie do just that?
by Gulfport Nole on Aug 25, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
lol Cromartie is one of the more naturally talented players in college football over the last decade
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He's got more 3 year olds than the Kentucky Derby...
by TonySopraNOLE on Aug 26, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
ZING!!!
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Aug 26, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Acutally, bc it came from TonySopraNOLE
It should be BA-DA-BING!
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 26, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Just doing his part for FSU
With all those kids one of them hast to be a good athlete in 14 or so years. Man was just trying to create as many legacy players as possible. We can sign a DB, WR and RB all from the same gene pool.
by osceolafan2.0 on Aug 26, 2010 6:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Question for those in-the-know
Its true that Fisher seems to prefer a RB-by-committee approach, but when it comes to deciding who gets the playing time, is that decided by Fisher or Gran? In other words, does the OC choose the personnel for each play or does Gran have a say? If Gran has significant say here, do you think JT’s chances at 1,000 yds seem better?
Yes it's true, Fisher likes the committee approach.
As for playing time, Gran will have some say so, The OC(Coley) not sure about him, but I’m sure Fisher will have the final say-so.
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was 1993 really the last 1,000yd season?
I thought Dunn had 1K years after that?
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it’s on there. refresh.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 25, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
With how well Chris Thompson has been doing
Do you think he could be a potential Heisman candidate perhaps during his senior year?
I doubt Heisman candidate, but
i definitely think he will be a star during his senior year
by fsufrenzy911 on Aug 25, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think eventually Lonnie Pryor wins the starting job outright
I have not seen anything from him that would suggest he is not a one-cut find the seam runner
I think that's 100% opposite of correct
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Exactly
Pryor seems almost like a tweener back, he’s not necessarily great @ one thing, but good @ everything which allows him to be very versatile in the backfield whether it be blocking, catching out of the backfield or running the ball
He's definitely not shown anything to suggest he fits the system
That’s why they have to be creative in getting him looks
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think they get creative enough and bring out the maryland i
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 25, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
A la "what can brown do fo you"
signs that i saw at Auburn when Ronnie Brown was doing everything. Too bad Lonnie can’t throw though.
Lol @ your response, Bud
Think I’m going to have to add that to my vocabulary
by AmplifiedJ on Aug 25, 2010 6:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think you can presume anyone will be starting/winning heisman's at RB
I don’t recall anyting of Fisher’s time at FSU, LSU or Auburn that indicated he had an offense based one stud RB dominating playing time. Gran is one thing, but this is Jimbo’s offense first so I doubt it will happen.
But don’t be telling JWJ that…
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 25, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
What is Gran's RB coaching impact?
Other than hitting the right holes, blocking?
that alone is enough
Carter couldnt even teach them that
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Knowing what the offense is trying to accomplish on any one given play and knowing what the people around you (like the Oline) is important for every offensive player to know. Also attention to detail in fundamentals and how to run each play (i.e. how long to delay on a draw or how to sell a counter the best way) is important.
I thought about this a little.
Watching hard knocks on HBO. There are just so many little things to teach these guys. And maybe even more on the college level. A lot of details and little things. Stuff that I, as not being remotely qualified to coach, have no idea about. So, what evenflow said. HAHA. I’m sure Gran isn’t too terrible at teaching the RBs how to read a blitz and work at pass protection.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 25, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Thompson's inability to hold onto the ball bears mentioning
I like the guy but until he can show he’s a more dependable ball carrier than JT I’m happy with the status quo.
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by AMFKNole on Aug 25, 2010 3:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He's 5'8".
At this point, I’m wondering if his hands are just too small.
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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 25, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think they are.
Fisher has stated before that Thompson has big hands, especially for his size. He said it sometime last season when talking about Thompson’s potential. I think the problem may be as simple as his body not being able to absorb the force of the hits or temporary lapses in carrying technique.
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Here’s hoping that he continues to give Meyer a recruiting “Season in Hell.”
I like Gran for that reason alone
Gator fans are now whimpering and calling him fast Eddie with the money, the dirtiest in the business!
Bring back Peter Tom Willis
Ann say hello to the grand kids
I think
It’s a very flattering and awesome nickname.
by RoyalOaksNole on Aug 25, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
OT: Shlabach on Jeff Cameron just now
Talking about Bobby’s book, and specifically said that Bobby told him over and over again as Shlabach was prepping the ending of the book he didn’t want it to be relayed that he had any hard feelings against the university.
Also mentioned that Bobby had every one of his pregame speeches, all the way from 1976 to his last hurrah in the Gator Bowl.
Definitely worth a listen, and I’m sure it’ll be up later to link.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 25, 2010 5:05 PM EDT reply actions
I hope it's sincere
And not PR recouping mode. I would like to see BB around FSU functions in the future.
I'm sure Bobby's pre-game speeches from earlier in his career were better than this gem.
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Bobby’s pre-game speech for Boston College
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Defense play with a lot of confidence, play with enthusiasm, and with togetherness.
BC comes to our house to take away what you and I want. They come down right here to our house, to take it away and you know, so you’re out there with a, you gotta fight, you know, you gotta fight, and I know you will.
It it it’ll, I know you’re gonna fight tonight, it’s going be execution, execution. What the QB just making good hand offs. Backs taking protecting the ball. Receivers catching the ball, not worrying about where they’re going to run, and not worrying about who’s coming. Just making the darn catch like you you’re capable of doing.
Whose who somebody some of you are going to get opportunities tonight that we mentioned last night. Some of you are going to get opportunities to show the nation what you can do. Boy you can’t ask for better than that can you?
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
The sad part is opening it up and queing it up on another tab and then reading along here.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
yeah
really sinks in the brain that way. ouch.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 25, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Even sadder is that it was shown on the Bobby Bowden show as something to be proud of.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
So many things on that
show hurt to watch. Deckeroffs drunk butt trying to cover for Bobby. The yearly worsening of that tightened skin perversion that Burt calls his face. Yikes.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 25, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
RB's
since we don’t have a clear #1, I’d say we have a bunch of #2’s….maybe 1.5’s.
Just to let you guys know
It is freakin raining again. Sitting here listening to thunder. Could be along night for the team.
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More Lightning Delays...
The white squares are lightning strokes.

We had a Lightning Workshop last year because so many schools were impacted during gamedays from lightning last year. It’s a huge safety issue, and especially for the Florida schools, a huge nuisance to work around.
Strokes??
Trainging?? Jeebus…
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 25, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Kudos for finding an image
for making me feel less bad for having to leave Tally!
INDOOR TRAINGING FACILITY
should do a Tomahawk Nation collection through paypal or something. Maybe it would get Bud credentials to interview and maybe get the website a bench with a sweet plaque on it.
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I'd take it.
be pretty sweet.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 25, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus, if Georgia Tech is thinking about building a new indoor facility, certainly FSU can put some $ together.
I dunno.
GT strikes me as a school that more than likely has some BIGTIME boosters.
They’re also old as dirt. I’m sure they’ve got some coin somewhere.
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Most of the GT grads
care nothing about athletics.
I am trying not to grin thinking of BB attending a UF game
Those drunken monkeys would probably tear his face off!
Bring back Peter Tom Willis
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Is it just me...
Or does everyone else want to see Smiley lay the wood on some ACC defense’s like Greg Jones used too?
SPEAR or get SPEARED!!
After looking through the practice pics this look a like just hit me...


Lamarcus = Dule?
by Moojenowski on Aug 25, 2010 11:48 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Dule Hill is the actor's name..
Burton Guster is the character he plays on Psych. Good show if anyone hasn’t watched it.
And I’ve been wondering if anyone else thought that! Between LJ here and B Reed looking like Tupac, we’re gonna end up with our own production studio! I can see it now:
Tomahawk Productions presents A Bobby Bowden Story: An Extended State of Disrepair and Dysfunction, as narrated by Tupac.
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Christian Ponder
For the Fat Elvis years, played by Bjorn Werner
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 26, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Pryor
Bud, First time long time, I enjoyed the piece on a zone blocking scheme but I have a question regarding Lonnie. Why do people say that he’s not a 1-cut zone runner? And even if he isn’t, he seems like the type that is very coachable and can learn. Is it strictly an innate quality?
His acceleration isn't particularly good. It's slow to the hole quick through the hole.
He’s a bit of a momentum runner and it’s very hard to read at full speed. Run into the backs of blockers.
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