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Florida State Seminoles Season Preview 2010: Tight Ends

Offensive Coordinator & TE Coach James Coley

This is fourth in a multi-part preview series covering the position groups as Florida State starts the 2010 season. FSU returns 19 of the 22 players from its record-setting 2009 offense and the attack again figures to be one of the best in the country.  Today we'll be looking at the tight ends. 

Quarterbacks | Running Backs | Wide Receivers | Tight Ends | Offensive Line | Defensive Line | Linebackers | Defensive Backs 

The tight ends are coached by James Coley, who has been promoted to offensive coordinator.  While most believe that promotion is simply for title and cash (Fisher will still run the show), Coley is a good offensive mind in his own right.  He will do much of the legwork for the offensive gameplan.  Coley will retain his Tight End coach position as his role as offensive coordinator will be more geared to game  planning and scouting.  Coley continues to be Fisher's "eye in the sky", giving Coach Fisher the overhead view of what a defense is doing.  He worked for Saban with the Miami Dolphins, has previously been an offensive coordinator at FIU, and is a beast of a recruiter.

And it is not easy to recruit tight ends to Florida State.  The Noles have rarely had productive tight ends, largely because their talent base includes a ridiculous amount of star receivers.  But FSU is looking to utilize the tight end a lot more often.  FSU is preaching this on the recruiting trail and it produced results in the most recent class as FSU pulled in the very athletic Will Tye from Connecticut and 6'6" Tank Sessions from outside of Atlanta. 

FSU loses Senior Caz Piurowski.  Caz was playing great before he injured his leg against Georgia Tech.  He caught 13 balls for 182 yards and 2 touchdowns in only 6 games.  In his absence, Beau Reliford was pressed into duty.  In truth, Reliford was probably not ready for the starting role.  Beau played part of one season of high school football, and the 6'6" 241 lb (at the time) sophomore was pretty much still a basketball player when he got to Florida State.  And he struggled early.  FSU was the top red zone offense in the conference this year by a large margin (more points per red zone trip than any other team), but when it failed it was usually because of the blocking of non-offensive line players (tight ends), or because the backs chose the wrong hole (see the running backs preview).  FSU offensive line coach Rick Trickett snapped at reporters when asked about his offensive line being the cause of a missed goal line opportunity, inferring that coach Bowden (who had trashed Trickett's guys) should watch the tape.  And Trickett was right.  His guys did not blow the blocks on the goal line.  It was the secondary blockers.  With a new running backs coach and another year of maturity from the tight ends, that situation should improve.

The Starter

Beau Reliford is the starter.  He whiffed on some blocks early and looked really raw.  And when 6'6" makes a mistake the entire stadium can see it.  Beau really came on, however, at the end of the season.  His blocking was much improved against Wake Forest, Maryland and West Virginia in the bowl game.  Beau didn't hit a ceiling because he had so much to learn.  There was an incredible amount of football that Beau had not played.  He's good athlete with a high ceiling.  Reliford caught 11 balls for 89 yards and 2 TDs last year, almost all coming in the final 6 games (after Piurowski went down Beau grabbed 9 for 79). 

In the Spring I wrote:

He needs to continue to add functional size, but must maintain his flexibility.  I worry about a guy who is 6'6" if he gets to 270 lbs, but there's no reason to think Reliford can't play at 250 lbs this coming season.  He has to continue to get better at the mental parts of the game.  He doesn't always run the right route of make the correct coverage adjustment.  His route running needs to continue to improve.  He has to continue getting better at blocking.  Reliford isn't a natural ball catcher and likely won't ever be great, but he can become above average.  Finally, because he isn't being seriously pushed by anyone, he must be self motivated. 

By all accounts Reliford had a good Spring.  He has packed on roughly 12 pounds of muscle and is now a much more physically impressive 255 lbs (roughly).  That should help with his blocking.  Reliford is a player that, because of his lack of experience at any level, should continue to improve each year.  That said, he is not a special player.  He can eventually be good but as of now Reliford is an average tight end.  He hasn't made any special grabs yet  and will have to show that he will make fewer mental mistakes.  And it's unknown whether he will ever become a natural pass catcher.  

Inside I'll preview the other 4 tight ends on Florida State's roster.

 

Star-divide

H-Backs

Related:  What is an h-back?

Note:  this year, because of personnel, FSU will use more fullbacks than H-backs.  

Up next is Jabarris Little.  The 6'4" 240 lb H-Back was a highly rated 4* prospect out of Tallahassee Lincoln HS.  Just so you know, think of an H-Back as a smaller, more versatile tight end who often goes in motion.  FSU prefers to use H-Backs over fullbacks in its offense.   He is a great example of why it is so important to work as hard as possible when healthy, because you never know when you might get hurt.  Little's injury put him behind schedule.  He should be 250 lbs and a beast catching the ball and blocking.  But he is not.  I've heard he has improved his work ethic since the injury.  Similar to Reliford, he needs to work on both the mental and physical parts of his game.  At this point, he realistically could be an average player for FSU this year, which would be fine for this offense given his limited role.   I don't expect much out of Little and he is one of roughly 13 guys who are fighting for a spot on the 2011 roster.  

Also on the roster is Matt Dunham.  This is not a joke.  Dunham is still on the team.  He is the only player who will be the same age as me.  Dunham was a very highly rated running back coming out of Georgia.  He broke all of Herschel Walker's records, though did it in a tiny classification.  A member of the 2005 recruiting class, Dunham has had multiple stops at Junior College but came back last year.  He's 6'2" and played last season at a wildly out of shape 255 lbs.  I've seen some recent pictures of him and he looks to be in better shape.  I would guess he is about the same weight but with less body fat and more muscle.  And he can be a complimentary blocking h-back this season, perhaps, but it's unlikely.  That's a lot more than I could say for him last season when he was just too slow, rusty, and out of shape to have the necessary footwork to block.  I didn't expect him to still be around when he came back last season but he is still here and at the very least that says something about his willingness to endure some intense conditioning.  At the very least Dunham is earning APR points (not AARP) for FSU.  

Young Guys

As I mentioned in the lead, FSU did bring in two tight ends who they like in this recruiting class.  Young tight ends rarely make a big impact.

First is Will Tye.  FSU pulled Tye out of a prep school in Connecticut.  His recruiting ratings were:


ESPN: 3*/ 78 Rating/ # 19 TE
Rivals: 3*/ 5.6
Scout: 3*/ #19 TE  

But teams who recruited Tye felt he was at least a top-15 type, not just a top-20 tight end.  We wrote:

With his size and quickness, Tye can be a match-up problem for college defenses. Florida State can "flex" him out wide if they choose. Will Tye wants and attacks the ball. He plays against poor competition, but his quarterback is also terrible and he had to adjust to a lot of bad throws. He needs to improve his route running and blocking. But the kid is extremely athletic. Tye also impressed in the Texas High School All-Star Event in which he participated. He repeatedly finds a way to come down with the ball.

Tye came in at 6'2" and about 230 lbs, but he has really taken to the strength and conditioning program and is now roughly 245 lbs.  That's quite impressive.  Tye is also very raw.  I don't expect much out of him this year, but if he does produce it will likely be late as he acclimates himself to the college game.  In time, he could be a weapon for FSU.

Also at tight end is Tank Sessions.  Sessions was less heavily recruited than Tye and was not as impressive in high school.  We did see him at Seminole Showtime last season and he is quite tall at 6'6".  Here's our evaluation: of Sessions:

- ESPN: 2*/ 74 Rating/ # 58 TE
- Rivals: 3*/ 5.6 Rating/ #30 TE
- Scout: 3*/ #27 TE

He has good straight-line speed. He comes from a Wing-T offense (they don't throw the ball much) and has experience as an in-line blocker. Displays more of a physical nature on offense. Not impressive on defense. Displays the ability to come out of his stance low and generate power from his hips on contact. Needs coaching but projects as a capable blocker. Will need to redshirt.

Part of that evaluation was based on Sessions 6'6" 230 lb frame.  However, he has really put on the muscle and is now over 250 lbs.  That's quite impressive for a freshman.  Unfortunately, Sessions had his knee scoped (minor procedure) and that held him back a bit in practice.  He is very raw as a receiver and I do not expect him to make an impact this season.  If he plays it will likely be on special teams or as a goal-line blocker.

Bottom Line

This is a pretty average group of tight ends and it is not one of the better groups in the ACC.  FSU is beginning to attract more tight end talent and is clearly focused on using the tight end more as it attempts to attract mega-recruit Nick O'Leary or Brandon Fulse to sign this season.  In the coming years the tight end position should be in better shape, but this is not a year where the tight end will be considered a weapon.  Last year FSU's tight ends caught 24 balls for 275 yards.  If Reliford can snag 25 for 225 yards that would be a tremendous year for him.  I expect better blocking from this unit as well.

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Not sure about this...
The Noles have rarely had productive tight ends, largely because their talent base includes a ridiculous amount of star receivers.

I don’t see this as the reason at all. Miami has had TE riches for years while recruiting and producing many star receivers. UGA has also recruited and produced many NFL TEs while doing the same at WR.

by coonhound on Aug 27, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, an elaboration would help

I always thought the lack of te talent dealt more with the offense we used to run. Tight ends don’t usually run fly routes for jump balls.

by FLpanhandler on Aug 27, 2010 2:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No limit to my knowledge

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 27, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wake traditionally red-shirts every member of their recruiting class

FSU football is the new case study for the outliners phenomon

by CJNole on Aug 27, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is a sign

of why they might struggle so much this year. They may be STARTING some true freshman this year. Almost never happens at Wake.

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 27, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

connecticut

Tye was by far the most athletic guy on his team, don’t read much into it. I played in massachusetts and if there was a D-1 recruit he was playing all over the field. One of BC’s current O-linemen was the kicker for his HS team, the best punter I saw was a 2 star LB that went to UMass.

by tdchrisdavis on Aug 27, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta love Wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_Progress_Rate

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by GonzoNole on Aug 27, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

They count against us

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 27, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saw Reliford on campus

He is absolutely cut. And absolutely 6’6". He doesn’t have a wide-body, which is definitely ok for a receiving TE.

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by ricobert1 on Aug 27, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

My hope is that he surprises

us a little (sounds lame I know). He is a big athletic target. I’ll be happy with him sneaking under zones 2 or 3 times a game and making good catches and the once every couple game TD catch that the defense forgot to pick him up on (remember that Butch Davis? I’m sure you do.). I didn’t think Caz was going to do as well as he did catching the ball or being utilized as well as he was. He surprised me. Maybe Reliford can impress. It might not be pretty, but he is athletic enough to get to spots and catch the ball.

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 27, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Reliford will Surpsrise a lot of people

I think he has teh skill set and willingness to wrok to become an abopve average tight end both receiving and blocking. I’m putting it out there right now. Reliford will catch 25 to 30 passes this year for about 250 yards and 5 TD. I also think he provides some key blocks for some big runs from our RB. I just am high on him for some reason.

by FEARTHESPEAR! on Aug 27, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the near future

the tight end position is gonna be big for our Noles. Count on it.

by MRMAGOO on Aug 27, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Reliford can be better than average by the time he leaves.

I remember some practice reports before last season saying he would make really athletic plays. The mental part just wasn’t there yet (as mentioned), because he really hadn’t played disciplined football before. Basketball players usually have some good hands and I’m willing to bet if he gets used to deciphering coverages, he could be a major asset his last 2 years.

by ryandinho on Aug 27, 2010 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed he should improve every year and not level off.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 27, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, im glad you said that

I sorta got a different impression from the article.

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by harper.rb on Aug 27, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too bad our TEs/HBs are average

I’d really like to see what an O mind like Jimbo’s could do with one or two TEs/HBs… I’m sure we could create real trouble/mismatches for opposing Ds. Tye is our only chance at being above average at these positions… looking forward to seeing how Jimbo uses him (whenver that is).

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by TLHWG on Aug 27, 2010 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I would just point out that historically we had some decent tight ends.

It was only with the advent of the fast break offense in the 90s that we moved away from it. Before then, the staple touchdown pass play was to the tight end over the middle. Let a tight end get his big body in front of the defender and that play is almost unstoppable.

by nolesontop on Aug 27, 2010 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

In the late 80s?

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 27, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

80's and 90's

Pat Carter
Reggie Johnson
Lonnie Johnson
Melvin Pearsall

Good players. I believe all went pro (not sure about Pearsall)

by jimmygnole on Aug 27, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope, Bud

90s.

Lonnie Johnson was a 2nd round pick in the 1994 …

Johnson was underutilized, however, after his sophomore year, or at least half way his junior year. The fast break evolved mid way through his junior year, in 1992.

by Wild@Heart Nole on Aug 27, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

So 16 years ago

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 27, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

not disagreeing it's been awhile

your thought, however, was that it was the 80s since FSU used the TE extensively.

And like I said, underutilized so you could argue it has been the 80s. —
season/catches/yards/yards per catch/long catch/TDs
1991 22 293 13.3 78 4
1992 8 80 10.0 24 2
1993 13 182 14.0 78 4

(Lonnie’s10 TDs is an FSU career record for a TE)

But it’s not been 16 years

Melvin Pearsall’s stats:
1994 17 225 13.2 29 5
1995 7 114 16.3 26 1
1996 8 77 9.6 21 2
1997 31 326 10.5 45t 3

Those senior stats just might be an FSU record for a TE — anyone know?
(and to answer the earlier question — Pearsall went undrafted, but signed with the Colts).

For further comparison, Reggie’s stats:
1987 4 35 8.8 11 0
1988 15 145 9.7 17 0
1989 18 219 12.2 24 0
1990 15 145 9.7 19 0

Pat Carter
1984 13 175 13.5 33 2
1985 14 154 11.0 26 3
1986 16 174 10.9 21 0
1987 28 274 9.8 25 2

by Wild@Heart Nole on Aug 28, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right. Great research

I do not know if that is a record.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 29, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

One year old but still some history on FSU TE's.

IS THE TIGHT END AT FSU CONSIDERED AN ELIGIBLE RECEIVER?

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Aug 27, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

In 2009, during the early part of the season it appeared Caz would be an integral part of the offense. Unfortunately, after he went down for the season, we went back into our familiar pattern of ignoring the TE, but I think we all understand why.

Caz Piurowski 6 gms 13 rec 182 yds 14.0 avg 2 TD 53 Lng 30.3 Avg/gm
Beau Reliford 13 gms 11 rec 101 yds 9.2 avg 2 TD 22 Lng 7.8 Avg/gm
Ja’Baris Little 9 gms 1 rec 4 yds 4.0 avg 0 4 0.4
____________
Totals 25 rec 287 yds 4 TD

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Aug 27, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

not starting an argument, just pointing out

1st 6 games:
Caz 13 rec for 182 yards and 2 touchdowns
= 2.167 rec/game @ 14 yds/rec

2nd 6 games
Beau 9 rec 75 yards and 2 tds
= 1.5 rec/game @ 8(something)yards/rec

So I don’t think we ignored the TE, .667 less of a catch per game wasnt that big of a deal, but theres no telling what kind of season Caz could have had, we definitely started leaning on him more mid-way through the season. Beau had several other chances that he dropped passes and missed routes so his receptions easily could have matched Caz’s first half.

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by harper.rb on Aug 27, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

No picture of Coley

is complete without his cuban fuel!

by StM on Aug 27, 2010 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Coley

Is this just a learning year for him? We haven’t been hearing much from him this off season which is so different from last. I know Jimbo will be calling the plays so is his role basically unchanged?

by FSUKook on Aug 27, 2010 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

He will be much more involved

Assistants may not speak to the media, that’s why you hear less

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 27, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I though Coley was going to call most of the plays with Jimbo making the big time situation calls like most HC's?

Or is Jimbo going to be like Gruden, SoS & call the whole game on offense?

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by NOLEFAN1 on Aug 27, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jimbo is calling the plays

Coley doing more of the legwork than before.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 27, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Believe

Jimbo has said that he, not Coley, will be calling plays.

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 27, 2010 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

It is a pretty good idea

Down the road with some success I could see Fisher finally turning it over to Coley when the program is with out doubt on solid ground. Having Coley survey the situation for Jimbo sounds more comprehensive than just a coach calling shots on the sidelines. Coley is a very knowledgeable guy to have sitting in the box for you.

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by DocHoliday2 on Aug 27, 2010 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Very ture.

Was their set up this year, will be again this year. Remember when Fisher first got here and tried to sit in the booth like normal OC’s and then discovered it was pure pandemonium on FSU sideline during games because no one was in charge or taking charge of jack? That ridiculously long sentence to say, “Man we have come a long ways.”

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 27, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

errr,

was their set up LAST year and will be again this year.

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 27, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am sort of concerned with Jimbo being OC/HC

Of the top of my head I don’t have a long list of successful HC/OCs (those who do both)
Tommy Bowden
Charlie Weis
Dan Hawkins

Dunno, maybe just an irrational fear.

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by harper.rb on Aug 27, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe there was an article on this

When Jimbo first said that was how it was going to work.

by FSUKook on Aug 27, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also probably should have said

The ariticle’s basic conclusion (as far as I remember) Was it dosent really matter who calls the plays.

I am a little worried that Jimbo might have to spend more time with the offense then the defense. But I guess thats why he hired Stoops and Hudson.

by FSUKook on Aug 27, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on how you define success but...

Paul Johnson
Jim Tressel
Mike Leach
Bobby Petrino
Houston Nutt
Chris Petersen (not totally sure about this one)

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by mmmCheese on Aug 27, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought of Leach too,

but he was the only one I could come up with at the moment. Like I said, it was an “off the top of my head” thought. No research went into it.

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by harper.rb on Aug 27, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Johnson, Tressel, Leach and Petersen were off the top of my head for what it’s worth.

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by mmmCheese on Aug 27, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

hah, NP.

I believe you, I have terrible name recollection. It was only in defense of my piss poor list.

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by harper.rb on Aug 27, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Urban Meyer

Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.

by Caveman Mafia on Aug 28, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cahrlie Weiss

He was very successful on the poffensive side of the ball.

by FEARTHESPEAR! on Aug 27, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You need to pick some better examples man...

Bowden – fired
Weis – fired
Hawkins – about to be fired. (and delusional)

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Aug 27, 2010 6:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Dang, my original statement is confusing

my list are unsucessful HC/OC, even though I do say successful

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by harper.rb on Aug 27, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMO

Nick O’Leary is the single-most important recruit left on our board, and probably in the class.

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by levynole on Aug 27, 2010 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Nick is the most exciting prospect left on the board,

but I think Steward is the best/most important. If we miss on Nick, we have a great shot of a as-good-as but not-as-exciting-as TE prospect in Fulse, who is going to be a better LOS blocker and I think fit a little better in Jimbo’s scheme. O’Leary is definitely fun to watch, but I think he is going to catch some flak for being undersized @ TE and not fast enough @ WR.

Steward is as close as you get to a guaranteed 1st rounder out of high-school. And all 1st rounders make FSU look better.

I just asked myself if we had Aaron Hernandez for the last 3-4 years would we be that better off? I dont see much a of difference. and Hernandez I think is a better TE than OLeary will be.

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by harper.rb on Aug 27, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nick O'Leary

“The difference between a GOOD offense at FSU and a GREAT offense at FSU”. That would be my pitch to O’Leary if I was Coley….mainly cause it’s the truth. Then I’d slip him a bag of Cuban coffee to seal the deal.

by FEARTHESPEAR! on Aug 27, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT subject here

But I am hearing John Brantley has a sore arm from a bad throwing motion. Chas Henry the senior punter is taking a lot of snaps and may be their best option if something happens to Brantley. Don’t forget they lost Cameron Newton due to stealing the computer and expected him to be there.

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by DocHoliday2 on Aug 27, 2010 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Here is the article

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/gatorbytes/2010/03/30/for-the-first-time-in-awhile-quarterback-depth-is-a-concern-for-the-gators/

It is all rumor of course but it may not be just strep throat for Brantley.

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by DocHoliday2 on Aug 27, 2010 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Article is dated March 30th

Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.

by Caveman Mafia on Aug 28, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know he’s all they have and optimism reigns supreme, but I just don’t get how the goaters are all so certain Brantley is the best QB in the land. To hear them tell it you would think the kid is a 4 year starter. Not saying he doesn’t have tools, but at least get it done for a season before you’re annointed GOAT.

That being said if he goes down so does UF.

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by levynole on Aug 27, 2010 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

My good freind is the recruiting coordinator at UF

He told me that if Brantley goes down they are screwed! He said the back ups are a HUMONGOUS drop off from Brantley.

by FEARTHESPEAR! on Aug 27, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's surrounded by tools

zing!

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Aug 27, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

BUD ELLIOT

I am somewhat higher on Reliford than you. He really started to show up in the last few games. I remember against WVA he had a great block that sprung Thomas for a huge run. I just see him as a pretty god pass catcher and also a pretty good run blocker with the new weight he’s put on and with the new and improved coaching and overall work ethic. I think he’s underrated. I think he should surprise some poeple. I expect him to have 250 yards receiving with 5 TD this season. it’s bold I know but I think he has teh tools THIS YEAR to do it. Especially with the loss of Fortson. I also think he will be a much improved and consistent run blocker. Your thoughts sir?

by FEARTHESPEAR! on Aug 27, 2010 6:26 PM EDT reply actions  

What has he ever done as a pass catcher? Made more mistakes than plays so far.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 27, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really wish we would have gotten Orson Charles a year ago

Nick O’Leary is our next chance. Kelvin Benjamin is more of a WR type.

by CCDFSU07 on Aug 27, 2010 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I have a few questions here.

Fr. TE: is it a good Idea to get them onto ST like kick off return to help out with blocking. Also What about the H-back thing is this mostly with a ace look where we have 2 TE 2 WR 1 RB and the QB under center or can we see some out of shotgun with only one TE and 3 WE. If so could we see maybe Pryor or Smiley slide out there. I didnt see us use this last year though we might have With the TE we have I can see maybe more but not so much its going to cause problems.

About last week we have a post about the Hy-bard offence and If you look at where we are from 2 years ago it looks like we are heading that way vary fast and I think the TE are what makes us have one or not. Any team can drop 3 and 4 WR run a zone blocking scheme and have a quick QB and RB but not every team can have a o-line go from pro-style to Spread the same personnel on the field. If these H-back can get better with routes (the to Fr. then I could see us doing this. We could have 3 WR, 1TE(H-back) and 1 RB at the same time go from a shotgun to an I to a ace to 4WR/5wr set. What would a team do if all we send in this and brake the hudle with Easterling Reid and the RB for the day on one side and the TE and Smith/ Haulstead damn there goes a time out then they bring in a nickel and we run some other formation to out-man them. Will this happen prob not and Im prob the only crazy guy to think it could work but Im just a fan that has nothing but time to think of weird things.

The TE might seem like they can not be important at times because FSU never used them that much in the past but look at teams like Wis and how they use there TE. Add something like that to our Spread attack, with a Def that can slow the other team down and we win ballgames lots of ball games.

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by Desman on Aug 28, 2010 3:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Des glad you are back to posing more

Yes the h-back is with the ACE look typically. You can go from the gun though too.

Right now we don’t have agreat h-back though lonnie might get a look there in some situations.

Des I think that might work but would you be limited in terms of what you can run from that set?

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 28, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

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