Driving For Improvement: The 19 ACC Scoring Drives FSU Cannot Allow Again: #'s 13-7

by Bud Elliott on Aug 29, 2010 8:41 PM EDT in FSU Football

Over the next few days we will be looking for areas in which Florida State can improve in the 2010 season. Specifically, we are going to review 19 of the 43 scoring drives Florida State allowed in ACC play in order to highlight areas of potential improvement. Later in the Summer we will offer our estimations of how much Florida State's defense can improve. And the 88th-ranked defense has a lot of room for improvement. Last week, we looked at plays 19-14. Today we'll look back at drives 13-7.

Today's set of drives allowed all fall into a category. All were touchdown drives allowed by FSU during which the opponent averaged 13 yards per snap of the football. (Yes, the next set is worse but let's focus on today's set for now). To put it in perspective, if FSU played like this for an entire 66-play game, it would surrender 858 yards and 79 points.

#13 Boston College 80 yards on 7 plays. Yes, the same BC that had 55 total yards against Clemson.

Bc	1-10	at Bc20	Shinskie, D pass complete to Gunnell, R for 10 yards to the BC30, 1ST DOWN BC (Mangum, K).
Bc	1-10	at Bc30	Harris, M rush for 5 yards to the BC35 (Jenije, O).
Bc	2-5	at Bc35	Harris, M rush for 4 yards to the BC39 (Watson, D;White, M).
Bc	3-1	at Bc39	Shinskie, D pass complete to Larmond, Jr., C for 4 yards to the BC43, 1ST DOWN BC, out-of-bounds (Jenije, O).
Bc	1-10	at Bc43	Shinskie, D pass incomplete.
Bc	2-10	at Bc43	Shinskie, D pass incomplete (Reid, G).
Bc	3-10	at Bc43	Shinskie, D pass incomplete to Larmond, Jr., C, PENALTY FS pass interference 15 yards to the FS42, 1ST DOWN BC
Bc	1-10	at Fs42	Harris, M rush for 42 yards to the FS0, 1ST DOWN BC, TOUCHDOWN, clock 04:07.

Remember from the previous article how FSU failed to force any 2nd and 8+ or 3rd and 5+ situations? Not here. FSU forces two decent leverage downs, but then commits pass interference on 3rd and 10. Next play BC with the long run.

#'s 12-7 inside... if you have the stomach.

#12 NC State 80 yards on 7 plays.

Ncs	1-10	at Ncs20	Baker,T. rush over left tackle for 3 yards to the NCS23 (McCray, M;Bradham, N), clock 11:30.
Ncs	2-7	at Ncs23	Wilson,R. sideline pass complete to Baker,T. for 12 yards to the NCS35, 1ST DOWN NCS, out-of-bounds, clock 11:07.
Ncs	1-10	at Ncs35	Baker,T. rush over left tackle for 5 yards to the NCS40 (Smith, K;Robinson, J), clock 10:33.
Ncs	2-5	at Ncs40	Wilson,R. sideline pass complete to Spencer,O. for 6 yards to the NCS46, 1ST DOWN NCS, out-of-bounds, clock 10:09.
Ncs	1-10	at Ncs46	Baker,T. rush left for 9 yards to the FS45 (McCray, M;Mangum, K), clock 09:32.
Ncs	2-1	at Fs45	Baker,T. rush up middle for 16 yards to the FS29, 1ST DOWN NCS (Robinson, J), clock 09:05.
Ncs	1-10	at Fs29	Wilson,R. middle pass complete to Bryan,G. for 29 yards to the FS0, 1ST DOWN NCS, TOUCHDOWN, clock 08:34.

This was pretty amazing. 6 of NC State's 7 plays went for 5+ yards. That is decidedly not winning first down.

#11: Clemson 73 yards on 6 plays.

Cu	1-10	at Cu27	Ellington, A rush for 1 yard to the CU28 (Watson, D;Smith, K).
Cu	2-9	at Cu28	Parker, K rush for 10 yards to the CU38, 1ST DOWN CU (Watson, D;Robinson, J).
Cu	1-10	at Cu38	Spiller, C rush for 13 yards to the FS49, 1ST DOWN CU (Bradham, N).
Cu	1-10	at Fs49	Ellington, A rush for 43 yards to the FS6, 1ST DOWN CU (Robinson, J).
Cu	1-G	at Fs06	Spiller, C rush for 4 yards to the FS2 (Robinson, P).
Cu	2-G	at Fs02	Parker, K pass complete to Barry, D for 2 yards to the FS0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 04:06.

FSU actually have itself a chance on this drive. For one play. The 'Noles stopped Clemson on 1st down, but then Clemson went to the automatic gainer of 2009 v. FSU (QB run). Clemson ran 5 straight times on this drive for 71 yards, including the big gainer by Ellington as White, Watson, and Mangum missed gaps or took poor angles.

#10 Miami 61 yards on 6 plays

Um	1-10	at Um39	Harris, J. post pass complete to Benjamin, T. for 29 yards to the FS32, 1ST DOWN UM (Jenije, O;Robinson, P), clock 01:17.
Um	1-10	at Fs32	Cooper, G. rush up middle for 2 yards to the FS30 (Mangum, K), clock 00:45.
Um	2-8	at Fs30	Harris, J. deep pass incomplete to Benjamin, T. (Robinson, P), PENALTY FS pass interference (Robinson, P) 15 yards to the FS15, 1ST DOWN UM, NO PLAY, clock 00:11.
Um	1-10	at Fs15	Cooper, G. rush right for 13 yards to the FS2, 1ST DOWN UM, out-of-bounds (Carr, N), clock 00:02.
Um	1-G	at Fs02	James, J. rush over left guard for 1 yard to the FS1 (Watson, D;Harris, M), clock 14:48.
Um	2-G	at Fs01	James, J. rush over left guard for no gain to the FS1, PENALTY FS offside 0 yards to the FS1, NO PLAY.
Um	2-G	at Fs01	Harris, J. rush quarterback sneak for 1 yard to the FS0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 13:43.

Just overall bad defense and again UM didn't even face a 3rd down.

#9: NC State opens big, messes around, then scores.

Ncs	1-10	at Ncs20	Wilson,R. deep pass complete to Spencer,O. for 61 yards to the FS19, 1ST DOWN NCS, out-of-bounds (Robinson, J), clock 04:43.
Ncs	1-10	at Fs19	PENALTY NCS false start (Vermiglio,J.) 5 yards to the FS24.
Ncs	1-15	at Fs24	Eugene,J. rush left for loss of 7 yards to the FS31 (White, M), clock 03:42.
Ncs	2-22	at Fs31	PENALTY NCS false start (Vermiglio,J.) 5 yards to the FS36.
Ncs	2-27	at Fs36	Wilson,R. rush quarterback scramble for 14 yards to the FS22 (Bradham, N), PENALTY FS personal foul (Reid, G) 11 yards to the FS11, 1ST DOWN NCS, clock 02:42.
Ncs	1-10	at Fs11	1st and 10.
Ncs	1-10	at Fs11	Wilson,R. crossing pass incomplete to Bryan,G., clock 02:13.
			Injured player for FSU is #95-McNeil.
Ncs	2-10	at Fs11	Wilson,R. middle pass complete to Bryan,G. for 4 yards to the FS7 (Robinson, J), clock 02:02.
Ncs	3-6	at Fs07	Wilson,R. crossing pass complete to Williams,Ja. for 7 yards to the FS0, 1ST DOWN NCS, TOUCHDOWN, clock 01:29.

FSU allows a 61-yard pass to open the drive and squanders some great field position. An injury and two false starts stall the drive a bit before State throws it in on the only 3rd down of the game.

#8: 5 plays, 79 yards.

Wf	1-10	at Wf21	Adams, J rush left for 16 yards to the WF37, 1ST DOWN WF (McNeil, K).
Wf	1-10	at Wf37	Brown, D rush left for 12 yards to the WF49, 1ST DOWN WF (Robinson, J).
Wf	1-10	at Wf49	Skinner, R pass incomplete to Rinfrette, M (Watson, D).
Wf	2-10	at Wf49	Skinner, R crossing pass complete to Adams, J for 16 yards to the FS35, 1ST DOWN WF (Robinson, J), PENALTY FS personal foul (Mangum, K) 15 yards to the FS20, 1ST DOWN WF.
Wf	1-10	at Fs20	1st and 10.
Wf	1-10	at Fs20	Adams, J rush right for 20 yards to the FS0, 1ST DOWN WF, TOUCHDOWN, clock 02:12.

Wake didn't even face a 3rd down here and had 4 plays of 10+ yards.

#7: The Spiller on K. Smith. 5 plays 80 yards.

Cu	1-10	at Cu20	Spiller, C rush for 8 yards to the CU28 (Bradham, N).
Cu	2-2	at Cu28	Spiller, C rush for 4 yards to the CU32, 1ST DOWN CU (Bradham, N).
Cu	1-10	at Cu32	Parker, K rush for 8 yards to the CU40 (Watson, D).
Cu	2-2	at Cu40	Harper, J rush for 2 yards to the CU42, 1ST DOWN CU (Watson, D).
Cu	1-10	at Cu42	Parker, K pass complete to Spiller, C for 58 yards to the FS0, 1ST DOWN CU, TOUCHDOWN, clock 11:31.

Clemson outplayed FSU for most of the game despite the early score, but this is the score that put the Tigers ahead. Clemson faced zero negative leverage downs, gaining 8, 8, and 58 yards on each 1st down it saw (each resulting second down was positively leveraged in Clemson's favor.)

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well done

noles, marlins, phins

by NorthernHaze on Aug 29, 2010 9:06 PM EDT reply actions

Bud you're a F'cking Machine when it comes to FSU football and Football period!!!

FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!

by goatnole76 on Aug 29, 2010 9:17 PM EDT reply actions

truth

by xnolex on Aug 29, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Bud you’re a F’cking Machine

TWHS (That’s what Heather said)

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Aug 30, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Yikes

The angle that k smith took on the Spiller clip, ouch. As soon as he planted that right foot to take away the out he was done. I know people make mistakes, but wow that was bad.

by jimmygnole on Aug 29, 2010 10:31 PM EDT reply actions

More importantly,

the QB had all day to allow the wheel route to develop. Spiller needed time to get to the side line before turning up field and engaging the jets….I don’t think theres a linebacker out there that had a chance on that play. The faults I see with that play were:

a) no pass rush
2) man coverage with a linebacker
d) no over the top support from safeties

Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.

by Caveman Mafia on Aug 29, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Would zone fix problems 2 & D ?

I pray for a pass rush this year.

FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!

by goatnole76 on Aug 29, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Yea it would

Spiller would have passed from a LB to whatever DB had that third of the field in Cover 3.

by osceolafan2.0 on Aug 30, 2010 6:06 AM EDT up reply actions

Why we had a LB isolated 1-1 against one of the most explosive players in cfb is still beyond me.

by fsunole23 on Aug 30, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions

LB isolated vs faster back was not uncommon last year

4th quarter of the Miami game. K. Smith lined up wide vs either Cooper or James and got toasted for a touchdown. It happened right in front of me, I was sitting 5 rows up on about the 10 yard line. Before the snap I told my fiance to brace herself. I’m sure that there are plenty of other examples but on these 2 we really got burned.

by DoubleNickel on Aug 30, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions

That play against Miami...

was particularly disgusting.

I liked watching Lonnie Pryor do it for us a few times last year though.

by Kevinole on Aug 30, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions

Wow.....

I also will say what match-ups too: Remember that UM halfback catching a pass iso’ed on our LB for the easy score?

Man, that was a running kick to the onions type of sick feeling.

by LincolnHighNole on Aug 30, 2010 7:00 AM EDT reply actions

Several times last year I looked at the formation and thought:

Damn….I hope he drops that thing or its a TD..USF ran a play like 4 times to the slot guy that never went for less than 15yds…frustration that a non-football mind sees that with a coaching staff on D with combined bazillion years experience does not.

"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"

by BigSpearDiplomacy on Aug 30, 2010 7:46 AM EDT reply actions

Good Lord!

I know how bad they were. I mean I watched all of the games, but to see it laid out in black and white like that – Ouch!

"Lock up your daughter, lock up your wife, lock up your back door, and run for your life" - Bon Scott

by SeminoleMike on Aug 30, 2010 8:25 AM EDT reply actions

Luckily I do not remember to much of this

The more I watched, the more I drank. By the end of each game I was flat out drunk.

by maxi_judson on Aug 30, 2010 8:32 AM EDT reply actions

Will the new coaching staff be cutting down on the alarming amount of penalties

Because, new system or not, a personal foul is a personal foul. In other words, does anyone have any data on Mark Stoops’s history with regards to penalties? (I’ll begin researching now that I have arrived at the office) or how about for Fat Dilfer?

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Aug 30, 2010 8:36 AM EDT reply actions

I don't think we have them specifically broken down by type!

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions

Oh no, didn't mean that

I just meant total penalty yardage generally.

It’d be ridiculous to expect someone to have that kind breakdown of penalty yardage.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Aug 30, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions

A study on penalty yardage accrued by different styles of defense would be extremely interesting

I would hypothesize that PA penalties would be down in a primarily zone scheme, but I’d love to see some research done on the subject.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Aug 30, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions

Video (and that game) was painful to watch

Should first sentence read “2010” instead of “2011”?

by BayNole9 on Aug 30, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions

Fixed. Thank you.

by The K-Man on Aug 30, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions

It's just downright horrifying to see just how outschemed we were on 1st downs

1st down pass defense:

*conference rankings for conference games only

An 8-1 TD:INT ratio against?

1st down rush defense:

*conference rankings for conference games only

Almost double the median average gain.

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Aug 30, 2010 11:13 AM EDT reply actions

Imagine CP7's stats if he had be given the luxury of playing against our D

He might be playing on Sundays right now.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Aug 30, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions

Masochistic request

I was in attendance in Boston and had a poor vantage point of Harris steam rolling Mangum. I haven’t seen a replay since. Is that clip available anywhere? Can’t find it.

by The K-Man on Aug 30, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions

I have it on my portable

Perhaps I can make a clip of it at some point.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions

LOL. Found it when I wasn't even looking for it. Love how things work out some times.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4703506
It’s a minute into the clip, assuming you’re a self-hating kid wearing all black like me.

by The K-Man on Aug 30, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions

I didn't see it on that clip.

But found it right here at the 1:06 mark. Pathetic.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Aug 30, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Nice wrap-up Korey

now go kill yourself.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Aug 30, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Nothing says

“good tackle” like throwing the tip of your shoulder and side of your bicep at a guys thigh…

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Aug 31, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Dear God....

I hate seeing that all over again. Has there ever been a worse scholarship player at FSU than Korey Mangum? At least Roger Williams could lay the wood from time to time.

by Jbmfsu on Aug 30, 2010 2:05 PM EDT reply actions