The Florida State Defense Under Mark Stoops
As former Arizona defensive coordinator Mark Stoops attempts to resurrect the Florida State defense from its horrendous 2009 campaign, he'll undoubtedly be changing a lot. But the most noticeable change will be the increased use of zone coverage. FSU will now be playing zone coverage on a majority of its defensive plays-- a stark departure from its past.
Stoops is committed to being multiple. That means multiple fronts and multiple coverages. Stoops has said he will be precise, accurate, detail-oriented and selectively aggressive. He said his sacks come more from coverage than from all-out blitzing. Stoops is a stickler for precise run fits. He stresses being assignment sound and building everything around the core of the defense. It's that core that never changes, Stoops says, that must be in place before anything flashy is implemented. Stoops' influences include his brothers Bob and Mike along with Bo and Carl Pelini. Editor's Note: The more I find out about what the Pelini's are doing at Nebraska, the more I think FSU's defense will be heavily influenced by the Pelini brothers, as Mark is close with them and they were at Cardinal Moody HS at the same time. FSU's defense will look at lot like that of those two (and his brother's). And of course coach Fisher, having gone against a Nick Saban defense for 7 years, will have a few things of his own he will want to see. Add to that Greg Hudson, who produced tremendous defenses (relative to the available talent level) at East Carolina.
I'll be taking a look at the different zone coverages, fronts, and blitzes that FSU will likely play. Luckily, there are much better football guys than myself who have already covered many of these topics. Many of them are members of our own SB Nation network. I'm not going to re-invent the wheel here and this piece will require you to follow some links to the quoted pieces. If there's something you do not understand after working through this piece and the accompanying links, ask in the comment section and we'll see what we can do for you. Chances are good that others have the same questions as you.
Fronts
Here is a great look at fronts. FSU plays a 4-3 defense (4 down linemen and 3 linebackers. The Noles will mix both over and under fronts. Read that to make sure you understand the alignment references throughout the piece.
Cover 3
One such zone coverage is known as cover 3. It's known by that name because there are three defenders responsible for defending deep zones. At its core, zone coverage simply means that a defender is responsible for a zone as opposed to covering a pre-determined man. Got that? Good. Stoops played a good bit of cover 3 at Arizona and cover 3 is a trademark of the Stoops brothers' defensive philosophy. Note that some refer to this defense as "3-deep" For our purposes, that is the same thing.
The tremendous UCLA blog, Bruins Nation has an excellent series on cover-3 which I'll sample here and which you'll need to visit to grasp all the details (and as a matter of common courtesy please do hit the link so they get the traffic even if you don't plan to read it all.)I like his simplification of defense:
Defense is as simple as:
1. Coverage (how do you defend the pass) Coverage determines the defense - a coverage sets the play of the front, tells your guys how you will defend the pass and also tells them how they will defend the run. Below are the three components of a defense. Deep defenders cannot have run responsibility - they are coverage first. If your safeties are aligning at 15 yards to defend deep halves of the field in Cover 2 Zone, you cannot also ask them to come up hard against the run - it's just too much ground to cover.
2. Outside Run support (how do you defend the outside run game/screen game and force the ball back inside to the other 10 guys, who will be the outside "force" defender). The outside underneath defenders are the "force" defenders who cannot be beat outside and are the outside run support - who they are depend on the coverage. If you run Cover 2, you'll need corners who are strong enough to hold that edge and squeeze outside runs back inside, where the help is. However, if you run Cover 3, then your corners will have no run responsibility and it will be a safety and an OLB that will have to be the force defenders.
3. Interior Run fits (how do you fill each interior gap up front with a defender - if there is an open gap, then the offense has an easy path to the secondary) The other defenders are left to cover the remaining 6 gaps up front (Center-Guard, Guard-Tackle, and Tackle-TE) on each side and are interior run defenders. You will also need a cutback defender backside - in Cover 2 this will probably be the 7th man in the box, and in Cover 3 this will probably be the backside force defender.
This isn't exactly rocket science, but if you've listened to FSU's players this off-season, you'll know that this stuff was quite new to them. It's a good example of what was missing last year.
BruinsNation references cover 2 and cover 3, so here's the diagram outlining what they mean:
Your force defenders depend on the coverage. Corners may be force in Cover 2, but you cannot ask them to play force in Cover 3 since they are dropping deep. From there you can figure out the gaps you have to fill and which players will fit into each gap. And then you can figure out where and how to line 'em up and put your players in alignments where they will be able to do their job. Doesn't matter if you're in a 4-3 (4 defensive linemen w/ 3 linebackers) or a 3-4 (3 defensive linemen and 4 linebackers). You can call a guy a defensive end or a linebacker, and put him in a 2 or a 3 point stance, but what really matters is what you are doing with him after the snap. If you say you run a 4-3 defense, but base out of Cover 2, it will play differently than if you base out of Cover 3. If you line up in a 3-4 and run Cover 2, it will look pretty similar. It starts with the coverage and ends with the front/alignment, rather than the other way around.
Inside, you'll find a ridiculous amount of information on the defense.
I have some links for cover 2 at the end.
What Are The Zones In The Cover 3 Defense?
Here's a brief explanation of those zones by Joe Daniel:
The deep pass defenders will divide the field into 3 zones. Deep zones begin at roughly 14 yards from the Line of Scrimmage and extend all the way to the back line of the End Zone. In high school football, it easiest to divide the zones using the hash marks. The right side Cornerback will be responsible for the right side Deep 1/3. The Free Safety is responsible for the Middle 1/3. The left side Cornerback will be responsible for the left Deep 1/3. Each deep zone is roughly 13 yards wide, as the two outside defenders can ignore a 5-7 yard area from the sideline as QBs will not consistently make that throw and the DB can use the sideline as a defender.
Underneath zones are divided by the types of routes that will be thrown there. Underneath zones typically range from 5 yards away from the Line of Scrimmage to about 14 yards deep, where the Deep 1/3 zones begin.
The outermost zones are known as the Flat area, and extend from the sidelines to about halfway between numbers and the hash on a typical high school field layout. Typical routes here are short out routes and arrow routes by the running back.
The next zone in is the curl area. The Curl area exists from the hash to the edge of the flat zone. Moving in from there, the hash to the middle of the field is known as the Hook zone. Imagine a player, perhaps a Tight End, aligned on the hash mark. If that player runs a route 8 yards off the ball, then turns outside, he is in the curl area. If he were to turn inside, he would be in the hook area. Commonly run routes in the curl area are hitches and slants. Quick routes the Tight End and crossing routes from inside receivers are most common in the Hitch zone.
Also at that link, Joe addresses why teams don't cover the first 5 yards (they react to and anticipate balls thrown there), and offers some finer points on playing cover-3 defense.
The BruinsNation link does an even better job of covering this, but it is more technical and you should read the quoted text first. Then make sure to read the BruinsNation link, particularly the SCIF portion.
MOFO? Who you calling MOFO?
"MOFC" is simply an acronym for "Middle Of Field Closed", meaning that there is defender covering the deep middle of the field. MOFC defenses are Cover 1, or Cover 3.
On the other hand, MOFO, stands for "Middle Of Field Open", meaning that there is not a defender covering the middle of the field. These defenses include Cover 2 (2 deep defenders, but neither covering the dead center of the field), and Cover 4 (4 deep defenders but none covering the dead center of the field).
As I said above, Cover-3 is a MOFC defense.
Cloud or Sky? Stopping The Run With Cover 3
All this terminology. Dr. B of ShakinTheSouthland.com (please visit) also has a really nice Cover-3 piece, though some might not make much sense because it addresses things that are exclusive to the Clemson program. Here's his explanation of "Cloud" and "Sky" calls. Basically, if Sky is called, the 3-deep coverage will be achieved by 2 corners and 1 safety, meaning the other safety will be in run support. If Cloud is called, a corner will have run support responsibility, and the 3-deep coverage will be achieved by 2 safeties and 1 corner.
A "Sky" call refers to what the Safety is doing. When this is called, usually upon seeing the strength of the formation by the FS, it is the FS and two CBs who have deep responsibilities. The SS would have primary run support (force) if this is called, and would key the RB in addition to whomever he is assigned based on the formation. He could also be assigned to blitz or cover a free-space in the underneath zone, vacated by a blitzing LB. A wrinkle that is sometimes added is to give the FS the run key, and have the SS back up in deep zone after the snap [FSU Note: the 'Noles probably won't do this much with Moody as its Strong]....it could be read by the QB as a Safety blitz, when he is not even coming. The Sky call is strong against the run but weak against the quick out pass to #2 receiver on that side. This flip of the safeties (it can also be done between a S and a CB) called an inversion, and in some DC's playbooks the "force" is played by the FS instead of the SS. Here is an adjusted Cover 3 Sky call.
A "Cloud" call refers to one of the Corners. When this is called by the FS, it is the two safeties and one of the CBs who have deep responsibilities. A OLB would shift into the underneath zone vacated by this deep CB, for example. Blitz MIKE from that shifted-OLBs usual spot, and you have a difficult read. The other CB has primary run support (force) and keys the RB in addition to his assignment. Usually the coverage rolls to the CB who has the run key and isn't playing deep, and a S lines up behind him, with the other Safety taking the middle. The Cloud call is strong against the quick out pass to #2 but weak against the run except on wide runs. Anytime the #1 receiver does not align wider than the safety is off the line of scrimmage, the Safety will check to a Cloud call which keeps the defense from being outflanked. Anytime the #1 receiver does align wider than the safety is off the line of scrimmage, the Safety will make the Sky or Cloud call according to the coverage called by the coach. So you see, it all depends on how they line up.
The idea of the force player is particularly important to stopping the run. Current Note (08.28.10): safety Nick Moody would have been a good force player but since he is limited with the groin injury, it will be interesting to see what FSU does with the position and the coverages.
Excerpt from Stoops:
4-3 over is our basic call versus any two-back run team. This call will allow our strong safety to be our low safety or eighth man in the box. He is responsible for the Bgap on the inside run game. Behind this call, we will play a three-deep zone coverage. You can also play a man-free concept putting the strong safety on the tight end if he runs vertical or over the linebackers. Sam will drop curl/flat, Mike will drop strong hook and Will will drop weak flat. The free safety will push to the middle of the field. Versus twins or slot formations, we will bring our corners over and play three deep or man free.
The strong safety is six or seven yards deep, head up on the tight end. The free safety is 10 yards deep where a tight end would be. If on the hash, he will line up over the tackle.
The strong safety will key the tight end. When the tight end base blocks, the strong safety will go straight for the B gap on lead strong. The Mike will spill the ball to the strong safety. The Will takes the back side A gap. On lead weak the Will has to spill the ball to Mike who fast flows. The strong safety will take B gap.
Source
A major influence on Stoops has been the Pelini brothers. You should check out these informative articles on them and their teachings:
Variations of Cover 3
more from Dr. B (again, visit the link)
You might also divide the deep field into quarter-quarter-half, assigning the FS one half of the field, and giving two quarters to the SS and CB to cover. This will all depend on formation and strengths of the opponent.
For example, if a team lines up in an I-formation or 1-back, with two WRs to one side and a TE on the other, the SS would cover deep on the TE side, which might be a full half of the field, while the other S and CB would have deep coverage on the two WR side, which would only be quarters for those two defenders.
For teams which prefer to roll to one side, or have one excellent WR, a DC would call quarter-quarter-half to give added protection on one side, putting a the 1/4s on the side likely getting attacked. Usually this is the strong side of the field, but it may be based on the field side. I'm not yet sure what Stoops prefers to do. That's not to say that the strong side won't also be the field side (often is).
Here's another example of what you might see next season, rotating the 3 over behind the CB blitz:
FSU fans will remember the 2004 FSU @ Miami game in which Miami repeatedly blitzed Antrelle Rolle and FSU didn't adjust.
(note: you'd never CB blitz from the wide side of the field, only the short side unless its a Nickel)
When the opponent likes to throw fade passes, fly patterns, and sideline routes, "quarter-half-quarter" coverage can force those receivers to come across the middle. Not may college teams have good enough quarterbacks to consistently threaten a sideline route such that the defense needs to run Q-H-Q.
Quarter-half-quarter coverage works much better if a team has a stud at free safety, which FSU's Terrance Parks is probably not at this point.
But what is the "seam" you always hear about on TV? When the announcers refer to a "seam route" they mean that the receiver ran a fly route into the cracks of the defense. Each defense has a place to attack it, and Cover 3 has two of them that run from 15 yds from the sideline and are a few yards wide. This would be because your slot receiver/TE runs between a OLB who has Curl responsibilities and a run key (meaning he has to wait and see what the RB does), and a CB who would have flat responsibilities, for example. Like the seam in the standard Cover 2 (not the Tampa 2, which is actually closer to Cover 3) it runs from 15 to 25 yards deep, and the hole between the deep coverage and the underneath LB/CB.
A problem that many zone coverages have is the coverage on the boundary, where a WR might still find the sandwich hole between the deep S/CB and the guy in the flats.
There is a no-cover zone which extends 3-5 yards from the LOS, in which no defender is supposed to pick up a receiver (typically the RB sits out here). The key point of the zone, in general, is that the DB is watching the QB and breaks on the ball at the right time to break the pass up. They can do that more intelligently by watching the drop of the quarterback, knowing that short drops lead to shorter passes. They watch his eyes, and the position of the shoulders: longer passes require the quarterback to dip his back shoulder. They learn the difference between a passer's pump-fake and his throwing motion, and they look for clues, like patting the ball, that indicate that the quarterback is ready to release.
This is done in the film room and it is the attention to detail that FSU's defenses have lacked for some time.
Again, please visit the linked article as it is much more in-depth than what I have here for you. All credit to Dr. B at ShakinTheSouthland.com as he is the scheme master.
Will FSU pattern read or spot drop? How much of each? Tango?
This means that the DBs are coached to expect what route combinations the offense runs. For example, in a Smash play, one reciever runs a deep corner route, while the Flanker runs a quick hitch.
(In the figure, MOFC=middle of field closed=cover 1/3, MOFO=Cover 2)
At first glance, Cornerback has a real problem here, and is forced to pick one guy to cover. Either he backs up, trying to stop the deep corner route (B), or stays in his flat to stop the hitch or in/out (Z). Although the example is primarily meant to attack Cover 2 (where the CB stays in the flat), the same concept applies to any offensive attack.Against Cover 3, the TE might run a 10 yd Curl route and be sitting next to a SAM in zone. At the same time, a RB flies out in a wheel route, and a WR running a deep post or fly. The deep route takes up the deep coverage, and the LB is forced to pick who to cover if the CB drops back with that deep receiver. Only disciplined and experienced players will stick to their assignments like they are supposed to. A secondary taught in pattern recognition will expect this route combination based on alignment of the WRs/RBs/TE and film study, and that CB would read the WR and TE release, and stay in his flat to pick up the RB, for example.
Spot drops are simply that, a LB drops into his zone and watches the QB. They are easy to teach. The weakness is that good WRs can find the hole in the zone, and just run to it. Here is a depiction of the different passing zones defenders drop into.
But pattern-reads teach the defenders what to expect, and they essentially matchup onto whomever comes into their zone using man coverage principles. Once he leaves their zone, they release him to someone else. Its also referred to as a Combination coverage and is more difficult for a QB to read pre-snap. In Saban's LSU playbook, he has hundreds of examples of combo routes the offense will run, and the defender is expected to recognize them. Where Saban excels is in how simple he can make all this information and teach it to his whole defense, instead of just a couple DBs. Each defender is essentially looking at only two guys, and he can adjust based on that.
With Fisher having practiced against Saban's defense every day for many years, I would expect him to appreciate the value of having college defenders pattern read. But how much pattern reading will Stoops do? Does he believe it? If so, is he capable of teaching it? My guess is that FSU will use some modified pattern reading, keying things like the number of steps the quarterback takes (longer routes are thrown off of deeper QB drops that require more steps) and the angle of the quarterback's shoulders.
Now, returning to our basic 3-Matchup defense above:
The responsibilities of each player is indicated in coachspeak on the figure. There are two corners, both aligned 8-9yds off. Their responsiblity is to key off the #2 on their side. For the Weakside, he's watching the near RB, then the QB and the ball. The strongside is keying the TE, then the backs to the ball.
The Strong Corner keys #2, and if #2 runs up the seam he's supposed to keep an eye on him as he releases from the LOS, keeping the combinations of the #1 and #2 in his mind. Otherwise, if the TE blocks or runs into the flat, he squeezes the #1 reciever matched on him.
The adjustment, labeled BUMP (in case Cloud is called), is to jam #1 and then play flat/curl. This is a CLOUD adjustment.
The Weakside CB does essentially the same, with an eye on the RB and the combinations he can run with the split end.
The SS aligns, in the basic package, 4x5. That means he's 4yds off the #2 (TE here), and 5 yds deep off the LOS. He drops 10yds down the seam, and plays curl/flat on the TE. All the while, he has to watch #3 on that side, the RB. #2 and #3 will run a pattern, and if the TE runs a seam route the SS picks up the RB in the flats, otherwise he stays in his curl zone. In case BUMP is called, he would pickup the deep 3rd instead of the Strong CB. Another adjustment would be to line him up in front of #1 and jam him.
The FS aligns 12 yds deep off the Weak OT, keying any uncovered linemen to the backs. He essentially backs up straight against the pass and covers his 3rd of the field. He watches for a post route up the seam, particularly by #2 (RB in the figure, remember the SC has the TE if he runs a post, but it could also be a slotman), and tries to read the QBs progression to break on the ball.
The SAM keys the TE, through the linemen to the near RB. His alignment will depend on whether sky or cloud is called and the call of the front. He plays the hook zone. His responsibility on pass is to read the pattern of those two receivers and attack any short dumps from the inside out, meaning he tries to force everything from his zone to the sideline.
The MIKE is watching the RBs, and aligns straight up 4 yds off the Center. In the figure above he is sent into the other hook zone. WILL essentially mirrors the SS, moving at first outside into the flat and backing up into the curl zone.
How much FSU pattern reads will be one of the most interesting storylines for FSU this season. The problem, however, is it will be difficult to tell what they are doing if they are pattern reading well.
Read More On Pattern Reading (this is really intense stuff that I am not going to get into much. If you feel you understand the above and want more, these are for you:
Defensive Back Techniques: Cover 3 Pattern Read Examples | Defensive Back Techniques: Cover 2 Pattern Read Examples | Defensive Back Techniques - Terms & Communication/Intro Pattern Reading | Defensive Back Techniques - Pass Concepts for Pattern Reading
More Cover 3 links: if the above analysis didn't work for you, these four might
Cover 3 Basics | Cover 3 Keys | Cover 3 Technique | Cover 3 Adjustments & Variations
Cover 4
FSU is switching to a predominantly zone-coverage scheme. Look for the 'Noles to run a lot of cover 3, cover 2, and against spread run teams, cover-4. UF, Georgia Tech, NC State, and Wake Forest before Riley Skinner have exploited FSU's defense more than any other team over the past few years as the 'Noles failed to adjust to the changes in college offenses. Florida is an option team from the shotgun, and Georgia Tech is an option team from the flex. You build your team to beat your rivals. And there's a good chance FSU could match up against Tech in the ACC championship game. The Noles need to be able to match up with Tech without the luxury of having extra prep time. Stoops should give FSU a good chance there. Let's focus on cover-4, a coverage that schools like Tennessee, Virginia Tech, and yes- Mark Stoops Arizona squad have used effectively against spread run teams like Georgia Tech, UF, and Oregon.
The coverage is known as cover 4 because there are 4 defenders each responsible for a deep zone. Dividing the field by 4 gives each player 25% of the deep zone to cover, and for this reason it is also known as quarters. Cover 2 coverage is known as such because it uses 2 deep zone defenders, cover 3 uses 3 deep zone defenders, etc.
Here is how the excellent USC site Trojan Football Analysis describes cover 4 and contrasts with Cover 2:
As the name implies cover 4 employs four deep defensive backs that can be aligned either four across OR aligned in something closer to a Cover 2 Shell. Often it is difficult to tell the difference pre-snap and can only be determined post-snap by the movement of the safeties. In basic Cover 2 coverage the safeties play 12 yards deep and normally step backwards upon the snap of the ball. After back or soft pedaling for two steps they read the offensive line and WR release they determine if the play is run or pass and react accordingly. Extreme emphasis is placed upon not getting beaten deep on the post patterns or corner patterns to their respective area.
In cover 4 however although the alignment may appear the same pre-snap there are some subtle differences. Normally the safeties line up closer to 10 yards deep instead of twelve and play down field toward the line of scrimmage more aggressively at the snap of the ball. Instead of retreating or soft pedaling two steps the safeties play flat foot and come forward at the snap of the ball (see images below). This difference helps to get nine men in the box more quickly versus run plays and yet still enables time to get four defenders deep on pass plays. When multiple WR's release down field past the initial seven or eight yard area cover 4 becomes essentially a man coverage scheme in the deep part of the field.
The other big difference between cover 2 and cover 4 is the role of the corners. In pure zone cover 2 the cornerbacks stay low and defend the flats in their realm of responsibility. In press coverage they bump the WR's as they release and hand them off to the deeper safeties on the play while the corners play the shorter routes and watch for backs releasing into their area. In cover 4 the corners normally have responsibility for the WR's they align with and stay with them on deep routes. There are rules however that govern cover 4 (or any pattern read scheme) for that matter when there are releases by multiple WR's. As the graphic below shows in general form the DB's read the #2 receiver to their side and make adjustments accordingly.
It's perfectly acceptable (and probably preferable) to play 8 men in the box against 2-back sets. But it's difficult to do so against spread teams who use quick, automatic throws while still creating the extra gap with the QB run threat (think UF). In this piece for Yahoo Sports, Chris Brown details how Virginia Tech adapted to spread offenses while other 8-man defenses did not (FSU). The beauty of playing cover-4 is that it puts 8 men in the box for run support (needed against spread-run teams) but without really doing so. It does this by putting each safety halfway into the box. Instead of having the strong safety all the way in the box, the free safety plays halfway in and the strong plays halfway in. 0.5 + 0.5 = 1
This excerpt is from the exceptional Ohio State site, BuckeyeFootballAnalysis (now " Along The Oletangy ", a site run by Gahnki. Please visit our former member). (n At the link, he covers the many ways teams played Oregon's exceptional offense as Ohio State prepared to face Oregon in the Rose Bowl. Ohio State copied Arizona's game plan and had tremendous success against the electric Oregon offense, holding the ducks to only 260 yards on 53 plays (less than 5 yards per play).
I personally think Arizona had the most interesting gameplan for Oregon and, correspondingly, the most success until the Fourth Quarter and Overtime. Like Stanford and Oregon St., Arizona mostly played an over look. What Arizona did different, though, was play almost exclusively cover 4. Cover 4 is an aggressive run-stopping defense from a secondary standpoint, as the two safeties can play with their eyes in the backfield and react immediately in force run support, but at the same time keeps two deep safeties.
What is interesting is that Tennessess and Monte Kiffin used the same scheme to slow down Florida's offense. As discussed in the article, the benefit against spread-to-run teams is that it its an inside to out defense that focuses first on stopping the running backs, then the quarterback, and only last on the outside receivers and dropback passing game. But, as discussed previously, the dropback passing game is precisely what most spread teams do least well. (Note: Tennessee, like USC, also ran the Eagle against Florida in running situations).
Arizona was thus able to use this scheme to immediate force support on the outside versus zone plays, as can be seen below:
Interestingly, Tennessee did much the same thing (cover-4) to UF last year. Yes, Tennessee lost. But the defense played very well. The similarities were this:
- Cover-4 analysis above with emphasis on having as many eyes in the backfield as possible.
- Force running QBs to accurately make pro-style throws to the outside
- Stay in base personnel (4 down linemen and 3 'backers) instead of going to Nickel (1 extra defensive back) or Dime (2 extra defensive backs) personnel groupings even against spread sets featuring 4 or even 5 wideouts. Many react to the spread by using multiple defensive backs, but that is exactly what spread-to-run teams want. They want to run the ball and make easy throws. The passing game is there to distract the defense. By staying in base personnel, Arizona, Ohio State, and Tennessee all forced their spread-run opponent to take everything outside. And without an inside threat, it's pretty easy to corral plays to the outside because the defender doesn't have to hesitate.
I'm extremely encouraged that Mark Stoops had that gameplan against Oregon, even if Arizona didn't have the players to win in overtime. You'll definitely see some Cover 4, but as I mentioned you'll also see another MOFO defense:
Cover 2
Here's a diagram:
Cover 2 is relatively simple. Starting with the Linebackers. OLB will drop to the curl unless there is a number 2 wide receiver. (Tight Ends do not count.) If there is a number 2 wide receiver, the OLB will wall the number 2 receiver to the outside. Mike Backer will wall the Tight End toward the outside. Basically, all linebackers want to play a "trail technique" . They have to play run first. This means they will be almost chasing the receivers. This will put them between the QB and Receiver. This is good because the QB will have to throw over the linebackers. By throwing over the LB, the ball has to stay in the air longer which will allow the safety to make a play on the ball. The corners are doing the opposite, they want to keep everybody to their inside. They squat and keep outside leverage. They are looking inside at the QB. If the ball is not in the air on the QB's third step, they immediately open and run to the deep out squeezing the passing lane. As you can tell the philosophy of cover 2 is to funnel everybody to the safetys who are aligned up on the hash. You want to keep all the receivers outside the hash. Also do not worry about the short stuff. The defense must rally to the ball and punish the receiver so he will think twice about catching the ball underneath. Source
I don't have much to add on this. Follow this link for more than you would ever want to know.
Man
FSU will play some man still, but will play far less man than before.
Zone Pressures
As we looked at back in March, Mark Stoops' defenses get after the quarterback but they don't do so by bringing large numbers of rushers on the blitz.
ShakinTheSouthland again has an excellent look at what is known as the zone blitz. A blitz is when a team uses more than 4 pass-rushers (5, 6, 7, or perhaps 8). A zone blitz is when a team does that but plays zone coverage behind it instead of man coverage (think FSU). Sometimes this will involve blitzing two linebackers and dropping a defensive lineman into a short zone coverage.
The purpose of this is to confuse the offensive line's pass-protection scheme and make the quarterback hesitate. "Cause a pause." Stoops is big on making the quarterback think too much. Stoops wants to create uncertainty with who is coming. Changes rush angles. reduce risk of big plays.
Here are two classic examples I pulled from Bob Stoop's Oklahoma playbook:
Above, you see the nose guard and defensive end drop into coverage while the middle and strong-side linebacker blitz.
Cover-3 is the most popular zone coverage to play behind a zone blitz. It makes sense.
If you really like this stuff I highly recommend reading all 13 articles in this zone blitz series: http://brophyfootball.blogspot.com/search/label/Fire%20Zone
No matter the pressure, FSU must blitz as a team and not as individuals. Blitzing is a team concept and a team endeavor. Certain players are not asked to the quarterback but rather to occupy a blocker so that the blocker cannot reach the blitzing player and the player gets an unobstructed running start at the quarterback. FSU did not do that last year as the coaching was not there.
Acknowledgements
Credit to ShakinTheSouthland.com, BruinsNation.com, Brophy Football, and Smart Football
Final Thought
If I could summarize Stoops defensive philosophy, it would be to be extremely assignment sound by virtue of stressing fundamentals and details. The defense will concede short passing gains on early downs and will endeavor not to allow the big play. Stoops wants to force teams to consistently execute with precision down the field over and over again (not allowing the big play). Stopping the run is the focus on early downs. The goal is to play with great leverage and force the offense into unfavorable leverage situations. On "passing downs" expect to see some form of pressure with zone coverage behind it, forcing the quarterback to think instead of react.
I realize this was quite long and I hope that it hit the basics without jumping into too much detail. I fear that it might be lost on many of our readers. If you have questions about any of this stuff, please do not hesitate to ask. There are many members here with playing or coaching experience. After a while this stuff is not that tough.
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Haven't read it yet, but man is this gonna take up a lot of my day at work
Thank you
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Real quick:
Cover 3 is MOFC. “As I said above, Cover-3 is a MOFO defense.” “MOFO defenses are Cover 1, or Cover 3.”
Wow, what a great resource for zone – this will kill my day. Will have to get back to later, awesome work!
Yep. Great catch.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Sorry, I'm never that guy, ha.
But the article’s too good for the message-killing one-letter-off typo.
I really worry about this piece
I’ve worked on it on and off for a about 2 months, but my time has been limited and I worry it lacks flow and continuity.
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It's nice work
And it is quite systematic, really. With something this size, it would be difficult to read all at once, so flow is probably not a big deal here.
No, it's great, really.
I’m still reading it off and on with work, but it reads very well. It’s a ton of info, no doubt, but it flows exactly as it should. (The stuff might flow better at [paysite] because there’s no actual content.) Good teaching, good resource. Better and more entertaining than what you’d find in an “idiot’s guide” or a field guide, which is what most folks here want, something more than the basics but not so far over everyone’s heads that it’s not accessible while playing on the internet.
Bud, I cannot express the gratitude I have for you and the others.
To take this much time out of your lives to educate all of us that want to learn is really a heck of a thing for y’all to do.
by HROB3 on Aug 31, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
co-sign
I really like how you provide a summary of the content followed by the direct link to the ENORMOUS articles. I’ll be getting to those later this evening.
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Aug 31, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
It is an excellent article.
Lots of overview and interesting links. I especially enjoyed the discussion on cover 4. It suggests to me that Jimbo brought in Stoops specifically to stop Florida.
I got kind of giddy when I read the Cover 4 section.
I never really considered the Cover-4 as a legitimate defense to stop the Spread Run…..my eyes have been opened
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Aug 31, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Great work...
Killed my productivity at work this morning but its great. BTW if it lacked flow and continuity a better title for it might have been, “Called to Coach: Reflections on Life, Faith, and Football.”
by NoleDBA00 on Aug 31, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
No need to be Shakespeare, Bud. This is tremendous work, and worthy of applause.
I will be referring back to it many times over the next 4 months, I’m sure. You have become one of my favorite tutors for the finer points of tactics and strategy. Well done.
by TboneSid on Aug 31, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great work
I am new to this site despite having discovered it a little over a year ago and checking it almost daily since then. Why I didn’t join sooner is beyond me, but I just had to say how impressed I was after reading this piece. I consider myself of modest football intelligence and I have to say this was one of the most informative and in-depth articles I’ve read on this site or elsewhere (save for maybe the zone blocking article or the “go big vs the spread” article). Kudos to you and everyone here. Excited to finally be part of the discussion.
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Great work Bud~!
Great detailed in depth review of a complex scheme…the time put in really shows!
I am curious to know how our opponents QB’s have faced vs zone defenses last year…i have heard that Ponder had trouble with Zones…
Thanks again Bud!
T-minus 4 days!
I seem to remember him lighting up different zones at times
Carolina comes to mind.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Ponder had trouble with passing period in 2008
The issue was really that the real good defenses we played (aside from UF) played primarily zone defenses (Wake and BC). Our oline couldn’t pass protect in 2008.
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I'm sorry, but ....
… could you go over that one more time again?
;-)
Very good piece. Its a very assignment orientated defense. I can’t see last years D being assignment sound enough to pull off the play in Ari clip 2. DE crashes with the entire DL on the zone read but the safety comes up and plays the QB perfectly for a minimal gain.
That goes for a huge gain last year.
As I re-watched that Oregon game, I began to see what BFA was talking about
Stoops had one helluva plan. He didn’t have the players to make it last for 4 quarters or overtime. But he had to try.
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Does researching a piece like this make you drink the Stoops kool-aid a little more?
Just reading it makes me.
Yes. Quite impressed by many of his influences and work
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 31, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
And Impressed that Jimbo Got Him
I may be misremembering, but I think that the Stoops hire caught most us off guard. From reading your article, it seems that CJF might have gotten one of the best, if not the best available candidate for what we need (e.g., stopping UF and GaTech). If so, you would have to say it’s a great move that never would have happened during the lost decade, if ever.
Yeah we focused on guys with Saban's connections
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Did I read somewhere that Stoops initiated contact?
I seem to remember something like that.
Yes - this is what I was thinking of
This might be why Stoops wasn’t on your radar:
Fisher said stoops called him and he was familiar with him from USF and Miami, he coached against him and was impressed with his work despite AU’s lack of talent, and got very favorable reviews from Texas DC will Muschamp and Nebraska HC Bo Pelini. He said Darin Eliot is a Stoops guy but that he made the hire after Eliot blew him away in the interview process.
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2010/1/6/1236807/florida-state-introduces-jimbo
And...
He didn’t have the players to make it last for 4 quarters or overtime.
…enter the South Florida talent pool.
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by Drew J Jones on Aug 31, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
My brain hurts
I tried, I really did. I tried to read and comprehend. And I think I am pretty knowledgable for a lady nole, but I think this is way over my head. Good stuff, and truly wish I didn’t have A.D.D. so that I could really focus and undertand but for now, I am going to stick to not knowing what the heck the defense is supposed to be doing and blame the guy that it LOOKS like it was the fault of! :) Thanks for the info though!
Keep everyone in front of them
Not allow one big play. If the offense wants to score, make them execute with precision over and over again down the field. When it comes time to go after the quarterback, do so not by sending more people than they can numerically account for, but by confusing them (end up with 2 guys trying to block the same man and nobody blocking another guy).
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 31, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
You would not believe it from watching FSU last year, but...
Long drown out drives that slowly march down the field are few and far between. Teams that are forced to start at their 20 and nickel and dime their way down the field rarely score with consistency. My DC in college was big into statistics. He would keep tract of everything throughout the year, and sure enough, the games you did not give up the big play, but forced slow methodical drives, tended to be very low scoring games. When mixed with an offense that can score, it also leads to a favorable turnover margin.
Exactly
And then it puts pressure on the opposing offense to score and they get impatient.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 31, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
A Huge benefit~
is it also brings the mental exhaustion of grinding it out and lowering the morale of the offense…and if you can turn some 3 and outs, it also begins to put their defense on their laurels and physically wear them down.
It always seemed impressive to me, during the Rix/Jeff Bowden era, how our defense held us in so many games by keeping the score low enough for those 2 blind squirrels to find an occasional nut. That defensive unit was remarkable for several years at getting back in the game after short, failed, offensive drives; over and over.
Its off topic, but has their been any analysis/speculation on what Rix “might” have become had it not been for little J.B. ineptitude?
I think Rix could have been better
Not sure if he would have been great
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What did you play?
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 31, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
In College I was a Field C...
In HS I played QB and everything on Defense except interior D Line. I got hurt my soph year of college so I stayed on as an assistant and helped coach LB and Scout D.
100% agree, most teams will shoot themselves in the foot if given the chance. A dumb holding penalty, false start, dropped pass something will happen when forced to execute for a long period of time.
It’s the reason we see coach Fisher harping on execution when you’re tired so much. Teams consistently don’t finish drives because you get tired your focus and execution slips.
It also shows why ST coverage teams are so important.
If you compare the chance of scoring on a given drive, compared to starting field position, it is not a linear relationship but more like a decay relationship. Solid assignment D and good special teams are a deadly combination.
Think of Virginia Techs success
Not a great offense at all but they play Solid D and have a heck of a special teams unit also
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Irony?
I want better
than VT. Solid D and great offense. Great offense, defense, and ST, eventually.
I think he's just saying that high level D and ST alone can net u a lot of wins...
combine that with what we already have on offense and battabing.
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I have a hard time with some of it. If you are really interested in learning all that’s here take bits of it, go away and digest it (watch a game and identify over and under looks for example) and then come back and re-read. It helps a ton. For the simpiler stuff, like basic fronts, cloud, sky the Maden and NCAA Football games are somewhat helpful too.
How did FSU's offense get meaningful practice if the defense did none of this stuff?
by Blue Horseshoe on Aug 31, 2010 10:07 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
FSU had some basic zones in its playbook
It wasn’t 100% man coverage. And the offense practices against the scout team typically (not always), so the basic looks are what theyw ould get.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 31, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
OK I don’t know if you guys remember the video with Jimbo yelling at Secord but it was about his miss read of the coverage. That coverage was Cloud, the corner squatted on the front side and Jimbo was yelling at him about not hitting the backside slant. Since they rolled to the strength nobody was in the backside window making the slant wide open. If you hit that route right away the linebacker cant get out there fast enough and you have your WR for a minimum of 10 yards, if he makes the corner who is dropping to his deep third miss you have a really big play.
by 21nole24 on Aug 31, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 14 recs
Green this. 2124 played college ball and knows his stuff.
Glad you are around today. People will probably have many questions about this post and I likely waited too long to post it.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 31, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
hehe
I remember this. For those that missed it check it out. “Go get me Clint, get him away from me.” Starts at 44 seconds left in the video. The rook gets yelled at a couple times.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 31, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I remember that
I was like what did he do? Jimbo was pissed. Thanks for explaining 2124!
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Aug 31, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Front vs Backside? Same as Weak/Strong side?
by moneyNOLE24 on Aug 31, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No, frontside is the way the play is going, for example if you run to the right side that’s the front side of the play. I do get confused on counters though, is the frontside supposed to be the side you faked to or the side you ran to? As far as passing goes it’s where the primary WR is coming from, or the first side the QB looks at.
I learned this
from a video game. No shit. Some of the defensive plays are exactly what were described in the article.
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great read.
I’ve been religiously reading this site and all of the threads since the beginning of last season, but this is my first post. I’m more excited about this year than ever before honestly because of these kind of articles on TN…can’t wait to try and spot this stuff – a little understanding of what our guys are trying to do makes it a lot more interesting and makes better fans out of all of us. Thanks for the hard work.
So, in short,
Mark’s defense will not be a mirror of the one OU’s offense sees every day, due to the Pellini influence?
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Eventually
But how much of those blitz packages have come in?
I think it will be very familiar to OU this year. Next year? Probably less so.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 31, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes I think this year we are going to be more on the “KISS” plan Keep It Simple Stupid. We give it all to them then scale down to what they can reasonably be expected to execute consistently. I think what we have in place for OU will be about 20 percent less than we have for the Gators. The more comfortable we get with the basics we will start adding as the season goes along.
The variance between the two really starts to kick in in the more advanced stuff
Their basic stuff is going to be really similar.
I do think we’ll beat OU here in 2011 and will have something special for them.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 31, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
wow.
A third year Landry against a basically first year EJ (more than a year removed from his starts in 2009)? I’m not feelin’ it yet.
But then, I’m used to the Bowden System of Unprepared Quarterbacks (e.g., Chip Fergusen, anyone? Star of the Gator bowl as a sophomore, slow starter as senior. Then there was PT. And Brad Johnson. and…).
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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 31, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Apples to oranges....
The backups are now getting the same quality reps as the starters. That is a big difference. Also, there is a chance if we get some decent leads for once, that EJ could see some mop up duty to help keep the rust off.
Yes because the big jumps happen in year two of a new coordinator
I expect our 2011 defense to be sick.
DLine
Everett Dawkins Jr* 6-2/290
Toshmon Stevens Jr* 6-5/240
Anthony McCloud Jr* 6-2/310
Jacobbi McDaniel Jr. 6-0/305
Brandon Jenkins Jr. 6-3/257
Demonte McAllister So* 6-2/290
Dan Hicks So* 6-4/273
Bjoern Werner So. 6-4/280
Darious Cummings So. 6-3/290
Cameron Erving So. 6-5/305
linebackers
Nigel Bradham Sr. 6-2/245
Vince Williams Jr* 6-0/245
Jeff Luc So. 6-0/250
Christian Jones So. 6-4/240
Nigel Terrell So. 6-2/225
Telvin Smith So. 6-3/220
Holmes Onwukaife Fr.* 6-3/235
DBs
Mike Harris Sr. 6’0" 190
Terrance Parks Sr. 6-1/212
Greg Reid Jr. 5-9/183
Jajuan Harley Jr. 6-2/215
Nick Moody Jr* 6-2/222
Xavier Rhodes So* 6-1/210
Lamarcus Joyner So. 5-8 185
Gerald Demps So* 5-10/205
Justin Bright So* 6-0/195
Terrence Brooks So 5’10" 200
Chad Abram So. 6’0" 210
we don’t lose much at all off this group. I expect really good defense in 2011. Like top 15.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 31, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
How about the offense?
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by Drew J Jones on Aug 31, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Have to replace Ponder with EJ, but still should be loaded
We lost Ponder, Hudson, mcMahon
E.J. Manuel Jr* 6-4/235
Will Secord So* 6-1/214
Clint Trickett Fr* 6-2/185
Jermaine Thomas Sr. 5-11/197
Ty Jones Sr. 5-10/218
Chris Thompson Jr. 5-8/186
Debrale Smiley Jr* 5-11/232
Lonnie Pryor Jr. 6-0/214
James Wilder Jr. Fr. 6-3/ 230
Devonta Freeman Fr. 5-9/195
Eric Beverly Fr. 5-8/185
Taiwan Easterling Sr* 5-11/200
Bert Reed Sr* 5-10/175
Cameron Wade Sr* 6-5/215
AJ Alexander Jr*. 5-11/184
Rodney Smith Jr. 6-6/222
Willie Haulstead Jr. 6-3/214
Josh Gehres So* 6-3/200
Christian Green So. 6-2/205
Greg Dent So. 6-0/190
Kenny Shaw So. 6-0/168
Jarred Haggins So. 6-0/185
Rashad Greene Fr. 6-0/175
Beau Reliford Sr. 6-6/265
Ja’Baris Little Sr. 6-3/240
Will Tye So. 6-3/250
Tank Sessions Fr.* 6-5/265
Zebrie Sanders Sr. 6-6/310
Andrew Datko Sr. 6-6/310
David Spurlock Sr. 6-4/300
A.J. Ganguzza Sr* 6-2/282
Rhonne Sanderson Jr* 6-3/296
Blake Snider So.* 6-3/294
Garrett Faircloth So* 6-6/305
Bryan Stork So* 6-4/294
Henry Orelus So* 6-2/305
Dan Foose Fr* 6-6/295
Bobby Hart Fr. 6-5/300
Trey Pettis Fr. 6-4/295
Sterling Lovelady Fr. 6-2/285
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 31, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It will be nice...
to get back to the days where our new QBs are JRs and not freshmen. The difference in both physical maturity and mental between and 18 yr old and a 21 year old is huge.
speaking of the Twins
did you see that rookie Cain play? 2004 draft pick out of TCC, gotta love some Tallahassee players!
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I didn’t realize Easterling has yet another season of elligibility if he chooses to come back. It will be nice to have an 8th year senior providing leadership to the WR.
by Mr. Tito Carlos on Aug 31, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
By the look of it...
…2012 could be our year.
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by Drew J Jones on Aug 31, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
That schedule is silly though
USF, WVU, UF and hopefully a cupcake in the NConf. Then we get Miami, VT and Duke from the Coastal. Not a good schedule at all. Have to hope WVU falls off a cliff and USF doesn’t take the next step. We’ll likely fill it out with a cupcake, but we sure didn’t set things up for 2012 to be “THE” year schedule-wise.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Hope we change USF
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 31, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
No desire for revenge?
I realize it’s a road game, but at least it’s in the state. If we can drop the home and home with WVU, that’d be stellar.
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None at all
They helped out FSU. That loss helped to put the program in the right direction.
WVU is contractual out of the Big East merger I thought
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Really?!
I thought, unless a state legislature is involved, contracts can be broken. I hope we can bail on both.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Sep 1, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, had forgotten Tech and WVU.
That really is all kinds of stupid.
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2011 will look good, but the 2012 team will be poised for a title run.
All of our d-line will be seniors and our backups will be well seasoned by then. The linebacking unit along with the db’s will be very deep and have one more year to grow up. Most will be juniors with 2 years experience and very capable backups. On the offensive side we will have Manuel in his senior campaign with a veteran and loaded offensive staff. 2012 is going to shape up nicely and we should definitely be a team with a chance to make a national championship run with a squad like that.
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So are you saying you see Bradham back next year?
Or just throwing him in there because he will have eligibility remaining?
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Eligibility remaining
and NFL labor stuff
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Hopefully Stoops has made more progress than we expect.
Sounds like the D didn’t really have to unlearn their old plays—I mean like they were a clean slate without having had any playbook.
With guys like Rhodes, G5, Frank, Harris stepping up and beating out one of last year’s starting corners (Jenije), maybe we can get some coverage sacks.
How does OU’s athleticism stack up against the likes of Bradham & Co.?
I am also guessing that Jenije’s move was not simply due to Moody’s groin in that it might have to do with ability to read and call the coverages—the mental game. Just a guess, and by no means is that intended as a knock on Moody. The stuff seems pretty complicated particularly if you are not getting the reps. It is one thing to see plays, cues, assignments on film and quite another to see them from the field level.
How does OU’s athleticism stack up against the likes of Bradham & Co.?
You mean on offense? They have some serious playmakers.
I am also guessing that Jenije’s move was not simply due to Moody’s groin in that it might have to do with ability to read and call the coverages—the mental game. Just a guess, and by no means is that intended as a knock on Moody. The stuff seems pretty complicated particularly if you are not getting the reps. It is one thing to see plays, cues, assignments on film and quite another to see them from the field level.
Definitely think Jenije got beat out but also think they were worried about the safeties at an early date. I don’t think Moody or Jenije are special by any means. We need them to be average.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 31, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Can Jenije cover that deep middle in the cover 3?
That was my main question as I read this very informative post and some of the accompanying articles.
I had the same thought
Only time, and forearm shiver to Murray, will tell
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 31, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I want everyone to take a deep breath and repeat, "We have good coaching at every position."
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
by ricobert1 on Aug 31, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
In today's game, there is no perfect defensive schematic...
Many teams can score and the strategy of limiting the big play and forcing other teams to operate efficiently and squeeze out first downs is a great philosophy. It gives skill guys like Reid / Joyner / Bradham / Luc more chances to make game changing plays. It is evident that our program is becoming stronger, faster, smarter, and more sophisticated on a daily basis… amen. FOUR DAYS.
yes
ANotice how are little corners are freed up to make plays in the pass coverage. Jenije is also able to get on the field as a safety.
Mickey was never able to call much zone because it resulted in 7 guys reading the quarterback. In the stoops defense these guys are learning their priorities.
Bud or anyone else..
Great stuff. I’ve been reading Shakinthesouthland stuff for a while now. Really excited to see what FSU is capable of in the first year.
Which one of the zone coverages, based on FSU personnel, should be the the easiest to implement? With big linebackers and safeties would the cover 4 be the simplest? Or should we throw out size relative to which will be the most readily learned and just focus on how difficult it is for the positions to pick up on any given coverage?
Bud earlier expressed some worry on how well the secondary and linebackers will let offensive players switch to the next person in coverage. I guess that is part of learning patter coverage. Those worries are still there I guess?
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Very Excited
Bud, this is really going to up my game in NCAA 2011. I might even be ready
for Heisman difficulty armed with this information!
Great work!
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That's what I'm thinking
…especially after a first time player murdered me with the spread last night playing as UF. Time for a little cover 4 methinks.
Careful
EA devs have never made a functional zone defense. Players sit dumb in zone and don’t hand off players in coverage OR step up to play run. The AI does not make reads required of a functional zone d. I really wish the devs would read this, but having known a few over the years, they definitely would NOT get this.
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Aug 31, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just about to say this
Cover 4 will get you crushed on NCAA against a spread team. All your DBs will drop about 15 yards from LOS and react too late to the run. Best way to stop a spread team in the game is to show blitz to get more in the box and have outside pressure coming from a blitzing LB or S.
by osceolafan2.0 on Aug 31, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I usually go Cover 3 with a 4 man rush
I’ll show blitz but fan out my defenders into odd looks and coverages. I haven’t purchased NCAA in a while as the devs haven’t delivered on promises. I played the latest iteration but I’m holding my bucks back
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by Caveman Mafia on Aug 31, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
They had one going in the NCAA 11 game review thread
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I finally got around to removing Fortson from my roster yesterday...
…and proceeded to bump up the ratings just a bit for Easterling and Haulstead ;)
On spread to run teams I show blitz the majority of the time
But mix up where the pressure comes from and man vs zone. Most import thing to me is getting guys close to the LOS bc the AI is very poor about recognizing run on it’s own with DBs.
In real life though what is said in this article will be great for us. Our back 7 will always be able to cover a lot of ground, so letting them keep eyes on the ball and teaching them how to tackle will work wonders. I fully expect to massacre GT in a few years.
by osceolafan2.0 on Aug 31, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Having watch our defense repeatedly on DVR the past 2 seasons....
….Is it bad that I watched those 7 second clips of Arizona’s D and immediately said, “I want that instead!”
Felt like a 55-year old man sneaking peeks of a SI Swimsuit Issue when his wife wasn’t looking.
watching the defense on DVR repeatedly?
Do you by any chance like wearing hair shirts, sleeping on a bed of nails, and self-flagellation?
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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 31, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Buffalo Bill lets me watch either 2009 FSU defense or "The Nanny" DVD box set.
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it puts the lotion on the skin
or else it gets 2009 again
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by NorFla_Nole on Aug 31, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Which defense has been shown to be optimal when teams spread-to-pass?
The Cover-4 seems to work fairly well against the spread-to-run teams, so I was curious about a team like OU. Will the Cover-4 still be as effective or is there a different wrinkle to throw out there? THEN is it better to bring out the nickel back more often?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
I would assume that a Spread to Pass would be met with the Nickel or Dime formations.
As stated within the article, going Nickel against Spread to Run is playing to the Offense’s strength.
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by Caveman Mafia on Aug 31, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Playing zone somewhat mitigates the inability of a LB to cover a player so a cover-3 isn’t bad. However, tt all depends on the attack. Leach’s air raid attack is content with taking the short gains (their bread and butter is a mesh with a post outside) while other attacks, like the Air Coryell, were more downfield attacks.
Great peice a lot of info! If nothing else it will show casual CFB fans why it will take time for them to be responsive rather than reactive in the new scheme
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Was just thinking about that
All this information, for it to become hard wired in players’ brains it’s going to take some time, probably more than 7 months.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
I think we will still be suprised how quickly they catch on...two spot and some multi-media will help speed things up a bit.
Still. They wont be elite regaurdless of talent in the first year.
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I am going to be so much better a NCAA '11 after this
Thanks much
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Change from man to zone
How have other teams that did this reacted, how long did it take for them to transition. What talent did they start with, etc. Do we know teams that changed and what year they changed?
The closest I can think of is NC State when Tom O'Brien was hired there
But they’ve been so unbelievably decimated by injuries that it makes analogies pretty useless.
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While Stoops was great against Oregon, what happened against Nebraska?
Myself and many other Seminole fans were slightly worried after Arizona got beat up by Nebraska in the bowl game, right after he was announced as our new DC. Was it Nebraska’s talent, or did they run a scheme that took advantage of Stoops’ defense?
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Did NU's offense beat them up?
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 31, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
NU started 5 drives inside the AZ 50
Including the first of the game on the Arizona 5. That defense was gassed as hell. Zona only gained 31 yards in the first half. They were on the field the whole time.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 31, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The premium on field position is increased with this style of defense.
Odds of the forced nickel and dime approach failing increase as more iterations are required to make it ot the red zone.
Alternatley, in the big risk/big reward approach, it doesn’t matter if a streaking receiver catches it at midfield with no one behind him, or at your 20.
Exactly
Stoops understands leverage in every aspect. Inside-out, field position, down and distance.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 31, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
And it happens to be coupled with an offensive philosophy that preaches field position.
It’s almost like a plan!
Not really a concern.
I recall that being more a reflection of the offense.
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by Drew J Jones on Aug 31, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember the YPP being quite low
relative to total points. Nebraska just thoroughly dominated AZ’s O and kept the D on the field.
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Arizona
had a whopping 46 yards passing on 31 attempts. And for rushing 63 yards on rushing 20 attempts. This is not first half, this is for the GAME. Their defense held as long as they could. But when your offense is good for 109 yards of total offense? Bad things are going to happen.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 31, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there any place online to find full games from last year?
It’d be nice to have a site like this for the noles. Where do these people making the highlight vids for youtube get their stuff?
I would love to have something like that for the Noles
I don’t have a DVR so once a game is over, it’s gone for me except the highlight vids i can find on youtube.
by ncarolinanole on Aug 31, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
WOW
After reading this my brain is fried, so all I can say is WOW! Thanks for all the hard work and effort that went into this. I really don’t know how I survived last season without this site (I didn’t find ya’ll until baseball season), but I’m so happy to be here now.
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Excellent piece
Thanks for the schoolin’!
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Question
A wrinkle that is sometimes added is to give the FS the run key, and have the SS back up in deep zone after the snap [FSU Note: the ‘Noles probably won’t do this much with Moody as its Strong]….
Moody is listed on the 2-deep as FS and Parks as the SS. Is this backwards on the 2-deep? Or are the safeties roles uncertain b/c of Moody’s injury and Jenije’s position change?
I guess I don't know how to use blockquote properly.
The first sentence was in the write up…. the bottom portion are my quesitons.
Stoops is funny in what he calls them.
Just know that Moody is a guy better suited to play up in the box.
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Gotcha
Thats what I was getting at….. was hoping that Jenije wouldn’t be the force when we are in Cover-3 Sky. As you noted, Moody is a great fit for that role – hope he gets healthy by Oklahoma.
This will take
at least 5 dumps to get through. Maybe more. Extensive.
by TonySopraNOLE on Aug 31, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I had chili for lunch
Just to be sure I’d have time for an extra trip, so I could study up
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I like where your head's at
I may have to drop by KFC for a Double Down to ensure ample time in my quiet place.
by TonySopraNOLE on Aug 31, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Once again, this site pulls my attention away from all else and makes me want to learn more about football.
This site has made my CFB viewing experience so much more fun. I love getting lost in these details. Hopefully I can become more than a novice in the future.
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FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Whatever.
Football is for dumb jocks.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 31, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Kills me that people don't see that this is the most complex sport
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
I know. It is lame.
It is a giant chess match on the grandest scale. Seeing coaches battle it out with their respective pieces on the board. To me it is the ones that don’t respect this aspect of the game that didn’t understand it was time for FSU to move in another direction.
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is that a dirty martini in your hand? If so, nice.
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matching your outfit no less?
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Finally
Great read Bud! Been waiting for a piece like this since early summer. Our destiny will go the way of Stoops and Hudson, but they haven’t gotten much detailed love like we see above. These guys have great resumes and I cant wait to see what they can do with Florida talent. Defense wins championships..I’m pumped!
Just tons of info contained in this and it is going to take some time to dig through it all.
Gotta rec this for sure. Great stuff Bud.
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2124 and 1410
thanks guys for the extra info. It’s hard to find info that Bud doesn’t include in articles so the pre-snap reads are appreciated. Bud, you did your usual stellar job and have just added to the resume of what makes this place great. Thanks for all the hard work day in and day out to all the main guys here.
by ncarolinanole on Aug 31, 2010 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Yeah 2124 and 1410 kudos
Keep that information coming. Now, is there a way for the safeties to disquise what they in or is it best to wait as long as you can to move into your final position.
That is part of the game
Safeties and CBs will sit out of position for as long as possible and shift to the correct place at the last moment. Typically after the QB makes his pre-snap cadence (Think Audible calls). It can be dangerous though, if you wait too long you can get caught out of position at the snap, or running in the wrong direction for a snap or two.
An example is a CB who lines up at 2 yds with a bump look, then right before the snap he drops to about 8 yards.
Seems to me this is going to be a bend-dont-break defense
I.e. offenses will probably get a lot of short yardage plays, but will have a hard time executing complex long yardage plays.
I know UFs offense banks on having at least one big play per drive, if they are forced to work for every yard they will probably stall in the second half.
I do cringe at the thought of playing GT tho.
by vickers8 on Aug 31, 2010 4:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It’s just a lot harder to do so from the safety position but they for sure can try and do it. Just imagine a safety that has a deep half yet he reads run, if he false steps at 12-14 yards he can probably recover if it’s a play action pass. If he is screwing around at 8-10 yards and false steps can you say 6 over the top? They just simply cant screw around as much as the other guys do because they are almost always the last line of defense.
Occasionally
you will see a Defensive backfield roll as the QB sets up to take the snap.
By this I mean they will show cover 2 out of the huddle, but then the corners will drop from 5 to 8 yds, one safety will slide over, the other will slide up.
Congrats on a job well done.
You can tell how much time you put into this article, and it paid off.
Thanks for this piece. Keep up the great work!!
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It will be interesting to see the Bo Pelini influence on Stoops
If nothing else, to the extent the TE is a key to pattern reading and defensive alignment under the Pelini model, maybe we can actually avoid leaving that position wide open 3-4 times per game.
Pelini claims that this year's Nebraska defense will be better than last year's D
and after reading this (Excellent stuff, Bud. I didn’t know what I didn’t know) and comprehending SOME of it, I can see where it would take a couple of years to sink in and become intuitive.
Also, looking at our athletic DTs and DEs and speedy LBs you gotta think that Stoops is licking his chops at the prospect of zone blitzing. Can McDaniel be that Warren Sapp-like guy at NT?
by HaveNoleOption on Aug 31, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
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For GTech, why not run the cover-4 out of a 4-3 Bear formation? Would the SS be too close to the line and possibly get caught up in wash? Seems like cheating that extra player into the box more than you would on another formation would be benificial against GTech but not so much against UF.
I wonder how much cover-4 we’ll see against UF. I guess it depends on how much their game plan changes this year. I’m not sold they’ll be able to consistently run up the middle without Tebow as they really didn’t have much success with their RBs.
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No we didnt
we ran our usual 5-3-1-5 but with Stack and 4 across.
I want to run Bear front against them.
by DrB on Sep 1, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
LJ
Lamarcus Joyner will be a starter at some time in the season…I got a new nick name for him…Deion 2.0 (I said it here 1st BABY!)
Good to see you Genron
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 31, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah man
I posted about 5 messages from my Ipad but i just noticed they didnt post. But i’ve been reading everything on here for the last 3 weeks. This piece right here is awesome
Much appreicated
How is Jackson looking
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 31, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking
ok..got a very young team but very talented. Hoping to bring those guys along quickly in time for some tough games.
Need to see Mr. Ruben Carter in Tally early and often
Your Canes are looking good for a two-year run this year and next. Not sure about their recruiting now though (gonna hurt them in 2012 and 2013)
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 31, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
Teddy Bridgewater is a huge get….Vince Young like for sho. I will make it up for some games….i told him ill take him to his official visit up. Hopefully during our Bye week..
Hey genron,
Is LJ expecting to get more run in the nickel (like Reid last year), or he is more likely to see the field spelling Rhodes in our base (2 CB) defense?
… and we are all very excited to see what he and G5 can do on the kickoff returns.
1st CB is what ive been told
Right now coach said that he’s that Nickel defender to the field. Also will match with their best slot WR. Also i was told he will get a ton of play at boundary CB…Now this is inside info right here…..Stoops informed me that if Rhodes can make the transition to Safety (b/c he’s a big body and has long speed instead of quick speed that packs a huge punch) and LJ (Deion 2.0) plays at a high level that he will start LJ (Deion 2.0) at CB and move Rhodes to Safety..He always liked big S’s. But lets see how LJ holds up vs bigger WR that OU has. I think he’s strong enough to overcome..we’ll see
by genron187 on Sep 1, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Very cool info right there!
A lot of us have been wondering what to do with this mass of CB talent. Have to get them all on the field somehow!
And looking forward to seeing LJ shut down some T. Benjamin when we roll into your Canes’ house ;)
i dont know about that....lol
Man he was talking trash about that last night..I cant wait..1st thing 1st..every game is a championship game
Rec'd
Thanks for the insight Genron!
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 2, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
No, please don't rec --
This is top secret stuff… what if Urban is lurking for inside info?!?!?!?
Kidding, of course, but when I wrote it, I had the thought — maybe he is actually that creepy…?
Much appreciated Genron
Rhodes at safety in the Nickel is interesting!
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Have to find some ways to get our best athletes on the field.
I like to hear this is being considered, even if it doesn’t work out.
Between LJ and G5...
…we’ve got some serious star power brewing at the corners/return game. Looking forward to seeing what Jimbo’s got up his sleeve on the other side of the ball for them, too.
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Shades of Keith Ross to Dexter Carter c. 1986?
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I love this site. I can NOT get enough of the analysis. I honestly believe that some of the most intricate and well detailed things that I’ve ever read regarding football have come from this site. But this time, you’ve outdone yourselves. I love this article. I want to make this article breakfast in the morning.
For some more good links:
http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2009/06/repost-preview-of-nick-sabans-alabama.html
http://brophyfootball.blogspot.com/2009/11/pattern-read-safety-response.html
Those are great as well thanks
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I do have a real question though for anyone that knows
I am probably overthinking this, but in the cover three sections about whether we will pattern read or tango…
“The SS aligns, in the basic package, 4×5. That means he’s 4yds off the #2 (TE here), and 5 yds deep off the LOS. He drops 10yds down the seam, and plays curl/flat on the TE. All the while, he has to watch #3 on that side, the RB. #2 and #3 will run a pattern, and if the TE runs a seam route the SS picks up the RB in the flats, otherwise he stays in his curl zone. In case BUMP is called, he would pickup the deep 3rd instead of the Strong CB. Another adjustment would be to line him up in front of #1 and jam him.”
When it talks about “#1”, “#2” and “#3”, is it referring to the #1,2 and 3 receiver? How are these classified? Are running backs numbered? Do the numbers go by strongside to weakside? Anyone know? Thanks.
I think it's numbered from one side of the field to the other.
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Outside to in. The outer most WR would be #1, the next closest to the ball is #2 whether they are a slot receiver, TE, or RB is irrelavent in this numbering system. In the example used the strong side DB is looking at
#1: WR
#2: TE
#3: RB
The weak side DB is looking at
#1: WR
#2: RB
Note: those are 5 different players (2 WR, 2 RB, and 1 TE) since the offense is lined up with split RBs
When teams are in an I-set, ace backfield, or use the QB as a runner it ends up depending on the defense. Usually it’s whatever side that particular player breaks to I believe. I think this answers the question asked.
So it's outside in from both sides
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Outside in on both sides
if you do strong/weak, otherwise you start strong and number 1-2-3-4-5.
Depends on how the DC writes up the playbook really.
by DrB on Sep 1, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Great read!
There is a lot interesting insight on what our d will look like this year. I am looking forward to seeing it in action!
If youre going to be a primarily C3 team
you’ll base more out of the OVER front. UNDER lends itself to Man/C2 more.
I should add
that the 4-3 Over discussed here is very similar to the Miami/UNC defenses, which both base out of the Jimmy Johnson Miami 4-3 Over.
by DrB on Sep 1, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope you saw a good bit of traffic from this
Wish we could see exactly how many clicked to the more advanced articles.
In the limited amount I’ve seen, it’s both over and under with C2 & C3. Thanks DrB!
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For the Fronts article yes we did, thanks
I think the rest of it scared em off.
by DrB on Sep 1, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
keep up the good work over there. I have been reading it for a while. Great stuff. A noob can never get enough.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 1, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah as usual top notch stuff from the Shakin crew and Dr. B. Thanks again.
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