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Florida State Seminoles Season Preview 2010: Linebackers

Linebaker Coach Greg Hudson

This is seventh in a multi-part preview series covering the position groups as Florida State starts the 2010 season.  Of the 66 major conference teams, FSU was only better than Louisville, Kansas, Indiana, Duke, Stanford, Kansas State, Iowa State, Illinois, and of course, Washington State.  The last ACC defenses to be this bad in league play were some of the mid-decade Duke teams.  If you want more comparisons and perspective, check out Closing The Book On The 2009 FSU Defense.  Today I'll look at the linebackers.

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Florida State's linebackers were awful last year.  Out with the divisive, egotistical Chuck Amato, who seemed more concerned with subverting Fisher's efforts to change the program than he was with coaching his linebackers.  News leaked that Amato is battling cancer and I wish him a speedy recovery.  But discussing linebackers requires an honest look at many of his failures and it would be wrong to blame the players for shortcomings that should rightfully be attributed to Amato.  

Enter Greg Hudson (info and bio at link).  Hudson recently spoke about what he likes in his linebackers (very big, fast, intelligent, instinctive).  Hudson produced numerous All-Conference defenders at East Carolina and I think he's a bright defensive mind.  Here's more Hudson video.

FSU fans hope Hudson is the anti-Amato in terms of production.  Boosters were initially fired up about Amato acting as the locker police as they were led to believe that would translate into a better disciplined team.  But fans were quickly disappointed as it became apparent that there was a de-emphasis in understanding the defense, understanding the opposing offense, taking proper angles to the football, discipline, gap control, etc.  Instead, what FSU got was the "freedom system" in which Amato's linebackers were told to just go make plays.  That is an extremely effective strategy in Pop Warner ball when a coach has one kid with a late-July birthday who is physically superior to everyone else on the field.  It's absolutely not acceptable for a college coach.  Simplification is one thing, but what happened with FSU's linebackers was something altogether different.  That's to say nothing of the atrocious tackling, complete inability to neutralize and fight off blockers, the poor job in pass coverage and the apparent complete lack of coordination between DE & LB.  

The LB position is unique and probably the toughest on the field to play because of having both run and pass responsibilities on every play and coverage call.  Players have to be smart, disciplined in reading keys, and with enough size to tackle big backs and handle linemen blockers, and still cover smaller RBs and TEs in man/zone coverage.  STS.

This linebacker group had a major culture shock similar to what I profiled in the defensive end position preview.  I don't think Hudson will be a miracle worker, but I don't think he needs to be.  There is a good amount of talent here.  He has re-emphasized understanding of the defensive scheme, understanding the opposing offense, taking proper angles to the football, discipline, gap control, tackling, fighting blocks with proper technique, pass drops, keys, etc.  Hudson is a proven linebackers coach.  The real limitation here is of course time.  FSU fans should expect competency from this group in 2010.  Dominance will have to wait until 2011 as these 'backers have a lot to learn. With that, let's get to the players:

6'2" 241 lb Outsider 'Backer Nigel Bradham

The Known Commodity

Nigel Bradham. 6'2" 241 lbs.  5* recruit.  Fast.  Powerful.  Nigel Bradham is FSU's best linebacker.  Bradham started 12 games on the weak side last season, notching 95 tackles.  He played at about 235 lbs as it became apparent that if he were to stay on the outside he would need to break down some of the high school muscle he had too swiftly packed on to his prototype frame and add it back slowly in order to increase his hip flexibility.  

Of course some believe that Bradham was miscast on the weak side and should have been playing the MIKE (Middle 'backer) or SAM (strong side) position.  That's an argument for another day and one that has been argued on every 'Nole message board over the last two years.  I don't think anyone will debate that Bradham was stiff and does run a bit bow-legged.  But he can still be one heck of a linebacker.

We know from past interviews that Hudson will likely line up his playmaker at weak-side linebacker (the WILL) position.  As the WILL he is essentially playing as a second Middle (MIKE) linebacker in FSU's scheme (not aligned on the line of scrimmage).  Bradham is a natural tackler with good balance.  He's good in pass coverage.  He needs to improve his recognition, but that is a constant throughout this preview with every linebacker having that need.  

Bradham is a Junior this year and many speculate that he will go pro with a good 2010 campaign.  Given his physical gifts, he would probably be foolish not to go get paid.  That process starts by taking advantage of the competent coaching now available to him.  By all accounts he has done this.

Inside, I'll discuss the remaining 'backers.

Star-divide

Men In The Middle

FSU has a lot of options at the MIKE.  

Kendall Smith is coming off a year he would probably like to forget.  After having nice stints as a backup in 2007 and 2008, the 6'0" 240 lb (225 last year) Smith looked terrible at middle linebacker.  #29 is a former 4* recruit and surprised everyone by how poorly he played.  Many felt he was out of position and that Smith needs to play in space.  Taking on bigger blockers and fighting through all the traffic in the middle was simply not his game.  He looked extremely hesitant and at times I was able to audibly count "one Mississippi" after the ball was snapped before he moved from his stance.  I am not ready to say Smith lacks instincts, he just lacked them in the middle.  But then again, with poor defensive line play in front of him and awful coaching, is it really fair to judge Smith based on last season?  Given that he has won the starting job over two promising younger players, I have to think that he has perhaps taken to the position now that he has some coaching.  We shall see.  

Close on his heels is redshirt Sophomore Vince Williams, who missed the 2009 season with a herniated disc in his back.  Williams checks in at 6'0" 245 lbs. He was actually practicing in pads in the latter part of the season but smartly rejected overtures to waste a year of eligibility by playing in just a few games. Williams was ranked the 40th LB in the 2008 recruiting class by ESPN.com and the 10th overall LB by Rivals.com and was one of only three early enrollees in the 2008 class. Williams looked good in limited duty as a freshman, including work on special teams.

The other is the true freshman phenom, Jeff Luc, who stands 6'0" and weighs 251 lbs.  Luc was the consensus #1 Middle Linebacker in this class.  Luc enrolled early so that he could play Spring ball.  People around the program have raved about just how physically advanced Luc is.  But the mental development is still coming along and he is a year away from seriously contending for the starting spot.

Both Williams and Luc are extremely strong, thick MIKE types.  Both will be limited by not having good lateral agility and quickness.  Both had an acclimation period this Spring; Williams to getting back into full-speed hitting drills, and Luc into college ball.  I believe both Luc and Williams will excel at getting off blocks and tackling.  This 2011 battle will most likely be decided by who can show the best mastery of the defensive scheme, who can play good zone pass coverage, and who can be more disciplined.  Both have also seen time at weak-side linebacker behind Nigel Bradham as FSU requires all 'backers to learn two spots to facilitate functional depth and conceptual learning.

SAM

Gone is Nigel Carr due to car burglary.

After a fierce battle with Nigel Carr in the Spring, Mister Alexander is now the starter at strong-side linebacker.  The  6'3" 237 lb Alexander added 10 lbs this off-season and now looks more like a linebacker than a safety.  RsSr Mister Alexander is another candidate to see some playing time on the weak side.  Alexander is raw as a senior but had tremendous athletic ability.  Alexander played safety for the 'Noles in 2007/2008, but only saw action in one game due to a knee injury.  Last year he stayed fairly healthy and saw action primarily on obvious passing downs as a pass-rushing outside 'backer.  It's all about staying healthy and mastering the mental game for Alexander.  The athleticism is there, but are the football and more importantly linebacker skills?  Reports from Spring and Fall have been good.  He'll likely struggle at times against the run, but could continue to excel as a pass rusher and perhaps be average in coverage.

Young Guys

Another headliner of the best linebacker class in the country was Christian Jones.  The 6'4" 228 lb true freshman out of Orlando is the son of 'Nole great Willie Jones.  He was widely regarded as one of if not the best outside linebacker prospect in the country.  Jones has been quite impressive so far.  As a freshman he is still raw, but he will absolutely see some time in pressure packages (3-4 anyone?) and has all the makings of FSU's next great linebacker.

FSU beat out Georgia for Telvin Smith's services.  The highly-regarded 4* linebacker out of Valdosta has been impressive so far in fall camp and some believe he will be the best linebacker to come out of the best linebacker class in the country.  The 6'3" Smith is quite small right now, however, at only 207 lbs.  He should excel on special teams but if he has to play meaningful snaps this year FSU could be in trouble.

FSU also brought in Nigel Terrell and Holmes Onwukaife, two highly regarded linebackers.  Onwukaife plans to red-shirt this year due to a very late birthday.  I haven't heard much on Terrell, but I assume he will contribute on special teams.

Outlook

I expect a ton of improvement from the linebackers this year.  The difference in coaching will be night and day.  Having a better defensive line in front of them will make a big difference.  This isn't one of the best groups in the ACC (BC and Carolina have the two best by far), but the starters aren't awful.  Actually having assignments will make a big difference.  Staying healthy here is key as the dropoff from the starters to the 6th, 7th, or 8th guy is quite large.  

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good work as usual bud

could we see more 3-4 if we have injuries on the dline?

by xnolex on Sep 1, 2010 6:10 PM EDT reply actions  

We really dont have the NT to play a 3-4

but in passing situations where we could put something like 3 defensive ends on the line then rush 1 or two outside linebackers. It would get crazy pressure on the QB

by B-rod24 on Sep 1, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would Amp McCloud be a decent fit for a 3-4 NT?

Seems like he has the strength and nearly the size

by HanzoSteel on Sep 1, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think in college he could be

the big problem is that we don’t have 6, 280+ lb’ers to rotate through the positions

here is Alabama’s DC on their DL

DE


 57 Marcell Dareus | 6-4, 306, Jr., 2V
 86 Undra Billingsley | 6-2, 269, So., SQ
 94 D. Sentimore | 6-3, 261, Fr., RS
 56 William Ming | 6-3, 263, Fr., RS

DE


 96 Luther Davis | 6-3, 279, Sr., 2V
 92 Damion Square | 6-3, 284, So., SQ
 97 Brandon Moore | 6-5, 305, Fr., RS
 95 Brandon Lewis | 6-3, 274, Jr., JC

NT


 99 Josh Chapman | 6-1, 310, Jr., 2V
 64 Kerry Murphy | 6-4, 319, So., 1V
 58 Nick Gentry | 6-1, 282, Jr., 2V

"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran

by harper.rb on Sep 1, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is ours in fiction 3-4 land.
DE

 98 Markus White | 6-4, 265, Sr., 3V
 95 Bjoern Werner | 6-4, 273, Fr., HS
 96 Toshmon Stevens | 6-5, 232, So., RS

DE

 93 Everett Dawkins | 6-2, 285, So., RS
 97 D. McAllister | 6-2, 280, Fr., RS
 58 Dan Hicks | 6-4, 260, Fr., RS

NT

 99 Jacobbi McDaniel | 6-0, 298, So., 1V
 92 Anthony McCloud | 6-2, 302, So., RS

I think Brandon Jenkins moves to OLB flex position in this.

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by harper.rb on Sep 1, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cummings is definitely in there.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 1, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Left him out by accident.

"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran

by harper.rb on Sep 1, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

In our 3-4 look along the D line

I would go with

DE Dawkins

NT McDaniel

DE McCallister

by ThatDudeDan on Sep 2, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can't argue that

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 2, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just did this to see the numbers, not actually predict a playing Depth Chart.

I didn’t mean to imply that was the best organization of players. These are the largest bodies we have, which means we just don’t have enough large bodies to sustain any sort of 3-4 consistently. Thats all I’m saying.

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by harper.rb on Sep 2, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo......dead on.

FSU has 2 starting quality 3-Tech DT’s that could slide out to End with some coaching, but no NT to make it work. As I have said about 20 times, the NT dictates the 3-4 defense, not the LB’s.

That being said, I fully expect to see some 3-4 on passing downs only Dawkins & Demonte at the ends and Jaccobi at the nose with Mister Alexander coming off the edge with his dip n rip (which is actually pretty good).
3-4 offers wayyyyyyyy more blitz possibilities/combinations while still stifling the short-to-intermediate passing game….

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by DRusso97 on Sep 2, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Conceivably.

Granted, some of this depends on the guy. But even Amp is undersized for the Nose in a 3-4. Really need somebody in the neighborhood of 320 or more.

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by Drew J Jones on Sep 1, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone will enjoy the big hits that are upcoming

Another drawback of the man scheme we ran is that it doesn’t lend itself to the amount of big, highlight hits zone does. These LBs will be getting a head of steam and coming full speed at any receiver in their range when they get hands on the ball.

by osceolafan2.0 on Sep 1, 2010 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, Ira Schoffel mentioned this today.

Should get a chance to see our guys knock a few of the other guys into next week.

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by Drew J Jones on Sep 1, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correction

Vince Williams didn’t need surgery IIRC.

by jasonole59 on Sep 1, 2010 7:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Correct. Thanks.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 1, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder who

Vince listened to. Bradham maybe? “Man, save that eligibility, get some quality coaching.” Glad he sat out. Maybe he just has good common sense. Too bad Bradham didn’t ‘pull a hammy’ before the season started. Of course with him being one of the few guys that could fight through a block, his absence would have probably meant a few more losses.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 1, 2010 7:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Probably his parents

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 1, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

lack of depth at LB

Bud, great analysis. However, it is apparent, that we don’t have any upperclass depth here. The Freshman are going to have to step up, they will be starting next year. FSU #1 recruit for 2011 has to be Bradham. Thank God that Luc came in early and has went through a spring. Our starting LB’s IMO are going to be very productive.

by rspknole1 on Sep 1, 2010 7:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Very smart of Williams

Stats indicate back surgery does not work out too well and too many get worse afterwards, especially if they put titanium rods in. Emanuel is a good example. If you can build the back up through therapy you are much better off.

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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 1, 2010 8:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Just want to say...

thanks for all the info you’ve provided during the off-season. I know I’ll be watching our team through a completely different (read: informed) lens this year. I never paid attention to anything beyond sacks, INTs or big plays. Now I’ll be watching for things like whether our D is in a 4-3 or a 3-4; the DEs drop back into pass coverage; are players filling their gaps, etc. Going to be much more fun as a spectator….

Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....

by TLHWG on Sep 1, 2010 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Coach Hudson

I’m very interested to see how the linebackers play will respond to Hudson’s coaching. I live in Arkansas (not a Razorback fan) and attended this past season’s Liberty Bowl and saw first hand Hudson’s ECU defense beat up and constantly harass a pretty potent Arkansas offense. I think Hudson + Stoops is going to immediately take this defense to a level not seen at FSU since the late 90s.

by arkansasnole on Sep 1, 2010 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow that's high praise

I’m very high on that tandem but FSU had some tremendous defenses in the early to the middle part of this decade.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 1, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is high praise

That’s definitely true Bud, but just watching how physical his line was and how well coached they were impressed me. From a toughness and physical standpoint, his ECU team looked the part of an SEC defense. I’m not saying they were that good, but I thought they were that well coached and physical. Honestly I was shocked to hear he was taking the linebackers job at FSU, I figured he would have gotten a shot at a DC spot in a BCS conference. I will say Arkansas was more of a finesse type team, but they got manhandled and had no business beating ECU, except the ECU kicker missed like 5 field goals. I expect big things from this duo this year and going forward.

by arkansasnole on Sep 1, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

^rec'd-I hope so

It would be great to have a coach that grooms young coaches and doesn’t just hire his old outdated retreaded buddies.

James Wilder, Jr today Kelvin Taylor tomorrow. Sorry UF!!

by Marmaduke1 on Sep 2, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

When you say Eliot moves up, is that with us?

I think he leaves with Stoops – he was a “Stoops hire,” right? Hey, if he’s as good as expected, I hope he’d stay, but I have to wonder.

by Invictus13 on Sep 3, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Christian Jones looked great in the HS Under Armor game.

I look for him to increase his playing time as the season progresses. He did the real linebacker things that Mister Alexander didn’t show last year. CJ could seek out the ball player and make clean sure tackles. I never saw him get his hands on a guy and not bring him down right there.

by Jbeau on Sep 1, 2010 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

That was in High School......in Oveido.

This is college…………in Tallahassee.

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by DRusso97 on Sep 2, 2010 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I believe CJ will contribute quite a bit this year.

He looks to have a college ready body already, and he looks to have great instincts.

by fsunole23 on Sep 1, 2010 11:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Love it

Reading these as made these last few days and weeks far less painful waiting for kickoff.

Thought I saw a video where someone asked who the LB they’d least likely get hit by and they same M Alexander. I forget the player that said it…

by rabidnole21 on Sep 1, 2010 11:46 PM EDT reply actions  

By year's end...

I expect Bradham to be mentioned among the best LBs in the nation. Even though he’s already known he has not received a whole lot of pre-season attention. I’d be very surprised if he did not take his game to the next level like Timmons did a few years ago.

by FSchellU on Sep 2, 2010 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

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