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Florida State Preview Part II: Seminoles' Offense @ Oklahoma Sooners' Defense

So you've read the preview of Oklahoma's offense and Florida State's defense.  You know that FSU has a shot to win the game if it can limit Murray on first down and limit OU's big plays.  In short, FSU's defense needs to not lose the game.  But what about the offense?  If FSU is to end OU's 31-game home winning streak and turn its home record under Stoops to 67-3, it will take a great offensive performance.  Let's get right to it!

You might not have realized this, but last year's Oklahoma defense was tremendous. Behind only Alabama and perhaps Nebraska, the Sooner's defense was one of the best in the last half-decade. That shouldn't come as a surprise with a defensive mastermind in head coach Bob Stoops and excellent co-DCs Brent Venables and Bobby Jack-Wright. Oklahoma's defense has been the same for years now. They combine tremendous recruiting with excellent player development and a zone scheme that allows for a lot of flexibility.

This year the Sooner's defense again looks to be very good, but it is unlikely to be one of the two or three best in the country. Let's take a look at what the Sooners bring to the table.  Personnel first, then scheme.

Defensive Line

It starts up front for Oklahoma. Everyone knows about Gerald McCoy, the #3 overall draft choice at defensive tackle. Oklahoma can't replace him fully, but they can come fairly close. If a program like Oklahoma State lost a guy like McCoy, it would be different. But this is Oklahoma, and that means a new set of talented players is set to step in. OU does return three of its four defensive line starters, so let's take a look at them first.

6'3" 267 lb Senior Jeremy Beal is a flat-out stud at end. He is again a lock for 1st-team All-Big 12 and last year was 3rd-team All-America. He is in the class of players with Bowers of Clemson and Ojomo of Miami, though not as good as Robert Quinn of UNC (probably the best player in all of college football). On the other side is 6'4" 251 lb junior Frank Alexander.   Alexander is a very nice compliment to Beal and really came on at the end of last season.  He missed the USU game with an ankle but will return for this game.  Oklahoma people say it was precautionary, but if he is still limited FSU could have an advantage there.  Sophomore David King will see quality minutes behind Beal.  Oklahoma's end tandem is one of the better ones in the country and the matchup between Beal and right tackle Zebrie Sanders (last week's ACC lineman of the week) will be a crucial one in this game.

Defensive tackle poses a few questions and the answers could come in this game. As I noted above, replacing McCoy is extremely difficult.  But if anyone can do it, it's Jamarkus McFarland. McFarland was the #2 rated DT recruit in 2009 and played in 7 games last year.  Like McCoy, he is extremely quick. Unlike McCoy, the 6'2" 293 lb McFarland is not yet a proven commodity. It's unrealistic to expect the sophomore to equal the production of the #3 overall pick in the draft. At the other tackle spot is Adrian Taylor. Taylor is really interesting because he could have headed to the NFL draft as well, but he snapped his leg in the bowl game. Now the 6'4" 302 lb Senior will be available for August camp. Taylor is not yet 100% and saw limited reps in last week's games.  The talented Casey Walker is a 300 lb sophomore who will see some reps, as well as 6'4" 275 lb Stacey McGee.  This group is an area that is not as good as expected coming into the season due to Taylor's slower than expected recovery and McFarland developing at a less than super-human pace.  Much like the Noles, OU's defensive tackles are quite young.

Much like what FSU's defensive line will do under Mark Stoops, Bob Stoops has his defensive line drop into pass coverage early and often. But they are still asked to play traditional DL techniques and are quite good against both the run and the pass.

Linebackers

For as long as Stoops has been at OU, he has had excellent linebackers. Last year was no different, as they lose Ryan Reynolds (honorable mention Big 12) and Keenan Clayton. But they return Travis Lewis. And what a player Lewis is. After winning Big 12 rookie of the year in 2008, he garnered 1st-team honors last season. Lewis has made 250 tackles in only two years and is a tremendous player. Think of him as Nigel Bradham, but with better agility.  Travis Lewis is the best linebacker on either team.  On the Strongside is Ronnell Lewis. This 6'2" 240 lb sophomore is a huge hitter and was probably the nation's best linebacker recruit of 2008 (along with FSU's Bradham). Lewis started the Bowl game and some at OU believe he is even better than the departed Keenan Clayton (4th round choice of the Eagles). FSU will need to watch for Ronnell on the zone blitzes. In the middle is redshirt freshman Tom Wort. Wort was all set to play last season before tearing his ACL. If there is a question among the linebackers, it is here. Wort isn't the biggest linebacker at only 225 lbs

This linebacker group is very good.  I would rate it behind only UNC among the teams on FSU's schedule and it is absolutely up there with UF, BC (Herzlich & Keuchly), Miami, and Maryland (you probably didn't realize how loaded Maryland is at linebacker).

Let's take a look at how OU measures in the front-seven to the other defenses FSU will play this season:

Sizes Of The Front Sevens Florida State Will Face (Projected)
  Sam OU WF BYU UVA UM BC NCST UNC CLEM MD UF
DL 270 267 255 280 275 285 251 260 245 275 255 255
DL 285 301 235 295 270 293 295 289 275 310 295 307
DL 280 284 293 253 280 305 286 297 305 315 285 302
DL/LB 245 251 235 228 260 251 257 259 260 260 275 250
LB 212 240 215 229 215 227 244 239 230 215 230 226
LB 245 225 240 220 225 240 235 231 235 230 250 238
LB 220 232 225 201 230 220 225 224 230 220 235 223
 Total 1757 1800 1698 1706 1755 1821 1793 1799 1780 1825 1825 1801

As you can see, Oklahoma is not huge on defense.  The Sooners have good but not great size.  I'll get to this later, but that should give you some hope that FSU can run the ball some on Oklahoma's front-seven.  If OU has to consistently commit the 8th defender to the box to stop the run, that represents a substantial opportunity for Florida State to get some things working in the pass game.

Inside, see what schemes OU wants to run and how FSU will attack those schemes.

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Defensive Backs

An elite defense is typically solid in all three areas and Oklahoma is similarly talented in the secondary.

OU has one of the best safeties in the country in Senior Quinton Carter. Carter made 2nd-team All Big 12 last season and will lead the secondary this year from his free safety position. Carter has excellent range and is a comparable player to some of the guys Miami and Florida will throw out, though he is not as good as Clemson's McDaniel or UNC's Williams. At the other safety spot is senior Jonathan Nelson, who was honorable-mention Big 12 last year.   Sam Proctor is a talented safety in his own right and is a very capable player. Both Carter and Nelson are multi-year starters.

If there's a concern or a question for the OU secondary it is at corner. Remember that OU plays mostly zone defense so losing a corner is not as detrimental as it was for FSU when FSU ran its 100% man system. At one corner is Demonte Hurst. The 5'9" 178 lb sophomore is a promising player who the coaches love. On the other side is junior Jammell Flemming, standing 5'11".   Both are capable options and OU people don't seem overly worried about either spot, but until one guy steps forward there is a bit of a question.  The corners struggled some against Utah State, particularly when they had to cover for long stretches during which USU's QB scrambled and then threw.  Everyone cites the 340 yards given up, but OU held the QB to a rating of 128, which isn't all that good.  

The bottom line with this defense is that it is extremely talented, has experience, and will again be very well coached. There is no reason to expect a huge dropoff here. A mild drop off is assumed by most observers, due to the loss of McCoy. An important thing to remember is that these players have been in the system for years. Unlike FSU's defense, which is trying to learn the system in a single off-season, Oklahoma's players have been trained in this system for two or three off-seasons in most cases. It is not new to them. This defense should again be among the top 15 or better.

So how does FSU go about attacking this Oklahoma defense?

Find Its Own Pace

Just because Oklahoma wants to play at a really quick tempo does not mean Florida State must as well.  It might benefit FSU to play at that fast tempo because it might surprise Oklahoma and Christian Ponder would be great running it.  Additionally, as I mentioned above, OU is not all that deep at defensive tackle and there is some chance they could wear down.  But there is also the issue of wearing out FSU's own defense as well as the likelihood that Oklahoma is used to practicing against its own offense.  Would FSU running the hurry up really be that much of a shock to Oklahoma?  

On the flip side, it might behoove FSU to play at a slow pace.  OU's offense thrives on getting a lot of snaps.  If FSU slows the game down and limits the number of snaps for both teams, it could keep the Oklahoma offense out of rhythm and keep its defense off the field.  I don't really see a downside to this option.

Both options are attractive for various reasons, but I think FSU will likely attempt to slow the game down.  The Noles have done this during road games in the past (the Thursday night game at NCST in 2008 comes to mind).  The FSU offense is patient and doesn't need to run plays in rapid succession to be successful.

Take what is given

Even the best defenses in college football give up something to the offense.  There is no defensive scheme that takes away everything.  Chris Brown of SmartFootball.com notes that:

"The book on Bob Stoops's defense is known to everyone: first and second down expect an eight-man front and on third down you will see some kind of base or nickel personnel zone-blitz. No mystery there."

What does the Stoops defense give up?  On early downs, Oklahoma's defense is vulnerable to the short pass.  If the opposing quarterback has the ability to be consistent and precise, OU's defense will allow the shot pass on first and second downs.  Florida State has just such a quarterback in Christian Ponder, the top senior NFL quarterback prospect.  Ponder has great touch on the ball and is excellent in the short and intermediate passing game.  If Oklahoma shows an eight-man front, FSU needs to go ahead and throw the short stuff.  After a while, the Sooners will get out of that alignment.  It doesn't make much sense to run against an eight-man front like this when Christian Ponder is under center.  Additionally, Oklahoma isn't likely to bring a bunch of exotic blitzes on first down, so Ponder should have time to drop back and throw.  

If Oklahoma gets out of its eight-man look, FSU could find success running the football.  The guard-center-guard trio of Hudson-McMahon-Spurlock should be able to create some running room against Oklahoma's defensive tackles and middle backer.  I'm not suggesting that FSU will gut the Sooners in the middle, but it should be able to find some running room in the middle.  Keep in mind that OU is very familiar with what FSU does in terms of the run game.  It's inside zone, outside zone, and some power.

There is this notion that a team must "establish the run."  Nothing could be further from the truth.  What a team really needs to do is to gain yards on first and second down to avoid negative leverage situations like 2nd-8 or 3rd-5.  Those downs are the disaster downs for an offense.  That is when the defense can dial up the exotic blitzes that lead to free rushers and QB fumbles.  If Oklahoma is dedicating its personnel to stop the run, FSU should pass.  Similarly, if OU backs off, it makes sense to run.  

Dictate predictable coverages by formation, motion, and down & distance.

One thing we've already seen more out of the FSU offense this season is motion.  Expect that trend to continue against Oklahoma.  Ponder is very sharp at diagnosing coverages before the snap and the increased use of motion should help him be even better.  

The Noles also have options with respect to formation.  FSU is a multiple pro-style offense.  It is equally comfortable operating from the I-formation as it is from a five-wide shotgun formation.  The key in choosing the formations from which it wants to attack is figuring out how to get a player on the field that has the advantage over a player with whom the opponent would match.  

If FSU elects to go with a four-wide spread look, it can get four talented receivers on the field.  See the 2010 Receivers Preview.  Rodney Smith and Willie Haulstead at 6'6" and 6'3", respectively are tough targets on the outside while Bert Reed and Taiwan Easterling are savvy veterans adept at working the middle and finding the voids in zone coverage.  Here you can see Bert Reed work quickly inside after being squeezed off the seam.

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Playing from the spread sets also allows FSU to get TE Beau Reliford off the field.  Reliford is not a bad player, but he's far from special at this point and is unlikely to make a major impact on the game unless Oklahoma ignores him.  FSU is also pretty adept at running from the spread formations 

The downside to all this is that Oklahoma may actually want to play from its Nickel package.  In its Nickel look, it often moves Ronnell Lewis down to defensive end opposite of Beal.  OU is pretty good from that look, but FSU may have an advantage still because the Sooners' reserve defensive backs are sort of young.  Also, I think left tackle Datko could easily handle Ronnell Lewis in the run game should he line up at defensive end.  Then again, Oklahoma has defended some great spread offenses for many years and it's doubtful that FSU's spread look will show them anything new.  Running from the spread also involves running Ponder, which we'll discuss in a minute.  

Florida State could also elect to come out in a more pro-style set.  That means I-formation of double-tights.  While Reliford is still not a threat in the passing game, his blocking has improved some. OU would probably keep its 4-3 personnel on the field against the I-formation or double tights.  Florida State is good at running from the I as well, but OU is likely better at stopping the I run from the 4-3 than it is at stopping the spread-run from its Nickel package.  Florida State can make OU defend its running backs in the passing game from this formation.  Florida State's running backs aren't special, but they are good backs and Thomas, Thompson, and Pryor are dangerous weapons in the passing games.  The play-action game can also be pretty effective from the I-formation if FSU runs the ball when OU backs out of the eight-man front.  

Zone Blitz

As I mentioned above, Stoops is a big zone blitzer.  In fact, he's even willing to zone blitz with only 5 in coverage.  Chris Brown explains:

Stoops is willing to go completely unsound in his zone-blitzes; in the National Championship game against Florida, one of Tebow's interceptions came on a play where the Sooners blitzed six guys and played an inadequate zone coverage. While there are holes in the zone, Stoops figures that it is not easy for the quarterback to identify these while multiple defenders are breathing down his neck - the chalkboard is one thing but the game is another.

Stoops threw them a twist: he called a six-man zone blitz with an unsound coverage, with only two underneath defenders. In fact, he blitzed a cornerback and a linebacker from the short side of the field - could Hall get the ball off? Keep in mind that while Stoops's coverage was unsound, it is not irrational. In these situations what he and Brent Venables, his defensive coordinator, like to do is have their defenders play a bit of a "man-to-man" technique. This way the quarterback can't just throw an immediate pass into a zone void because the defender is playing almost like man. In this way there is not much of a difference between defenses that are man or zone; it is merely aggressive. The outcome of the play is diagrammed below:

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via smartfootball.com

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How much Stoops is willing to go unsound against a QB as smart as Ponder is unknown.  There is no doubt, however, that Stoops will bring zone blitz after zone blitz if he gets FSU into 2nd and 8+ or 3rd and 5+.  Also important is the receiver's ability to find the hole in the zone.  Easterling and Reed both do this pretty well.  Haulstead, Smith, and Reliford have not shown the ability to do so as of yet.  

Fisher has stressed pass protection from the running backs all off-season and this game is one of the main reasons why.  As Brown explains:

I noticed that the Steelers were very selective about their zone blitzes and that Seattle was determined not to go to the Indianapolis route and get trammeled by unblocked Joey Porters on every other play. This corroborates my theory and the Bruce Arians article I quoted saying that you have to max pro vs. the zone blitz, contrary to all the guys recently who keep saying that the Colts and others should have gone five wide. This results in simply more hits on the QB. You can just as easily--if not more easily--let 2-3 receivers find the zone voids and let the other 2-3 guys check out underneath after you've protected your QB. A perfect example was this year's bowl game between Oklahoma and Oregon. Oklahoma had a very mediocre year, Oregon a great one, but Oregon could NOT move the ball and lost because they were obsessed with going 5-wide vs. Oklahoma's man and zone blitzes where their young QBs took shot after shot and they never broke anyone free.

Pittsburgh blitzed early but, as LeBeau pointed out, the Seahawks were using "max" protection blocking schemes, and "we didn't see anything good that could come from just constantly banging our heads against a wall."

FSU's backs, particularly Pryor, are pretty good at protecting and then slipping out of the backfield.  They will need to be on their game against the Sooners.  The better strategy, however, is to stay out of those long downs.  I think FSU will be more focused on staying in favorable down and distance than it will be trying to hit big plays.  This strategy plays more into the slower pace, grinding the clock, and limiting possessions.  

Ponder's Legs

As I alluded to in the "formation" section, if FSU wants to use all of its spread sets, it will need to run Christian Ponder.  Ponder is a tremendous runner, a you can see in this video:

fsu vs miami 2008 first half (via jermadem)

Using Ponder's legs makes the running game with the backs even more effective because the backside defender cannot chase.  If he does, Ponder will pull it and go.  Oklahoma has been hurt by running quarterbacks before.  Most notably in the 2008 Fiesta bowl against West Virginia (a scheme FSU offensive line coach Rick Trickett knows well) and last week against Utah State.  

Listen to Rich Rodriguez break down the offense used to rip Oklahoma in that Fiesta Bowl.

 

 

Here's a diagram:

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  That's the one where the QB in the shotgun reads the backside defensive end.  The line blocks away from him.  If the end stays at home to keep the QB in check, the QB will hand the ball off because they have the numerical advantage.  If the end "crashes down", the QB will keep the ball. 

But there is a potential price to pay with using Ponder's legs:  injury.  Ponder has missed part of the last two seasons with injury.  He is an incredibly tough and aggressive runner and he doesn't slide well.  FSU's realistic goal for this season is to play for the ACC Championship by virtue of winning its division for the first time since 2005.  Is Fisher willing to risk Ponder?  If so, how much?

 Is there a chance EJ Manuel could see some time as a runner?  We know Manuel is pretty astute at running the veer stuff as he did last year against Wake and West Virginia.  Picture here:

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via 2.bp.blogspot.com

What about Greg Reid or Lamarcus Joyner on offense?  

And remember which receivers played quarterback in high school and can throw.

Coin Toss 

Throughout the preview I've emphasized the need to take OU out of its run game and keep it from getting in a rhythm.  Perhaps the best way to do this is by taking the ball and going on a long scoring drive to open the game.  That would take the crowd out of the game and would put pressure on Oklahoma's offense.  The Sooners' offense might then press too much and might abandon the run.  If FSU is to win this game it cannot get behind.  The Sooners are too talented to come back on and FSU likely can't beat the OU play-action game if it is going all-out to stop the run over and over again.  

Final Thoughts On Offense

Florida State's offense has been an elite attack now for a full year.  It will score on Oklahoma.  The questions in my mind are "what pace will FSU play?" and "will FSU's offensive game be dictated on Oklahoma scoring over and over again?"  If OU runs 80 plays, I think FSU will run 70.  I'll predict the Noles to get 6.5 yards per play, which is about 455 yards.  That's 30 rushes for 130 yards and 40 pass plays for 325 yards (including 1 or 2 sacks).  And I think FSU will score 31 points, which will be an excellent effort on the road against Oklahoma.

Special Teams

Both FSU and Oklahoma have excellent kickoff and punt coverage teams.  Both feature excellent punters.  Both have one of the best return men in the game in Broyles and Reid.  I call all of those a draw.  But as mentioned yesterday, FSU has a large advantage in field goal kicking because OU's situation is a mess and was even trying out walk-ons before the season.

Last Note

A few months ago, I thought FSU had a 1 in 5 shot to win this football game.  Now, I'd call it a 3 in 10 shot.  There are a number of reasons for this.  First, is Oklahoma's Taylor not getting back and its middle linebacker going down to injury.  Basically, FSU seems to be a little better than I thought and Oklahoma's personnel is a little more limited than I thought.  Before the season, I thought that in order for FSU to have a chance to win, the Noles would need to play their A game, the Sooners would need to play their C game, and the Noles would need to win the battle of luck with the bounces (fumble recoveries are random).  Now, I think differently:

FSUOUBreaks/ BouncesResult
A A OU LOSS
A A EVEN LOSS
A A FSU TOSSUP
A B OU TOSSUP
A B EVEN TOSSUP
A B FSU FSU Wins

I'm saying there's a chance.  Anything between an FSU win by a touchdown to an Oklahoma win by 17 points (with a late score to push a lead of 10 to 17) would not surprise me.  Ultimately, however, the pick is Oklahoma, 35-31.  In 27 games as TN publisher, I have only picked FSU to lose 4 times (2009 UF, 2009 Wake, 2009 Clemson and 2008 UF).  FSU lost 3 of those 4 games.  I'll give the Noles a 33% chance of winning, which is up from my pre-season pick of 27.5%  Oklahoma's point total was particularly difficult to predict because of its lack of a field goal kicker and the variance inherent with going on 4th down.  

This game is a game that will let FSU know where it is as a team, but a loss in this game will not derail FSU from reaching any of its reasonable goals for the season.  FSU is in a building year.  It is growing and learning as a defense while the offense tries to keep the team's head above water.  The most important thing for FSU to do here is to come out of this game with no new serious injuries.  

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Thanks for all of your work on this Bud

On my way to Norman and can’t wait for the game.

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by Zach_Nole on Sep 10, 2010 9:10 AM EDT reply actions  

the most encouraging thing for me

is that Ponder’s short and intermediate accuracy is the proper rx to attack the “weakness” in the Stoops zone. I feel that much better about it with Ponder having been able to practice against a similar zone during the off season.

by fsu44 on Sep 10, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Ponder's patient is pretty amazing.

Fans like me want to see more of a downfield attack sometimes, but it’s truly a credit to him that he does manage to continue taking exactly what the defense will give him with such incredible consistency.

by arrdub on Sep 10, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

cause I hope you are 100% correct.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Sep 10, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

Cause it’s true…

Football is played with an oblong ball. Take your roundball and GTFO...

by NaGaNole on Sep 10, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

excellent stuff

the paragraph on the defensive line coaching is outdated but everything else was a great read.

I think Fisher will run Ponder, either very early to establish the threat or very late in the game to catch OU by surprise. What are the best downs/distances for Ponder’s runs?

noles, marlins, phins

by NorthernHaze on Sep 10, 2010 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

The 2 key figures in this play are Jones and Murray

If Jones has an “off day” and Murray can be somewhat contained, FSU wins. It would also be nice if FSU got the breaks on penalties and turnovers.

by Egret on Sep 10, 2010 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Absolutely.

There is no reason that a quick throwing game can’t open up a running game. This nuance is lost on almost every single announcer on the weekends.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great job Bud

I think those short bubble screens to Reed and Easterling would work well to get the appropriate yardage to keep us out of third and 5+…..I absolutely like the idea of getting Manuel in on some running plays..it would give OU a wrinkle they probably haven’t prepared for….him having success passing the ball last year…might not give it away that he’s in there to run for the most part…but his INT last week makes me leary. Ultimately, if our offense operates efficiently….and our special teams play well…I think our defense can at least get 3 or 4 stops…we can when….of course we must not turn the ball over at all.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Sep 10, 2010 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

This.

Isn’t this what FSU did ad nauseum vs Miami in ’08? I may be wrong on the game reference but there was a good defense that Fisher ate up with the bubble within the last 2 years.

It seems Ponder has the freedom to check into it anytime as well. Hopefully he takes advantage when given the oppurtunity.

by nolefansam on Sep 10, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ya, bubble screened Miami to death

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Sep 10, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I kow this is off topic...

but does anyone know where i can see the interview with bowden last night at halftime of the auburn miss state game…i heard he admitted to some poor evaluation of recruits and was interested in seeing it come out of his mouth….also great work budford

by TheSituatioNOLE on Sep 10, 2010 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

He put all the blame on the players.

He said FSU suffered from poor player evaluation. He said he got a bunch of 4 and 5 stars who weren’t as good as advertised. He completely ignored schemes and coaching.

by Mr. Tito Carlos on Sep 10, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

But not at all shocked

He’s always looked out for number 1, why would that change now.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Sep 10, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

What kills me is that he thinks its his way of "admitting mistakes"

When in reality he’s probably thinking: “My system is perfect, and my mistake was thinking you players were good enough to run it”

by Mr. Tito Carlos on Sep 10, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Caused by nepotism

and too much loyalty. Which is why JoePa deserves being the winningest coach D1.

by rabidnole21 on Sep 10, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

this.

was super classy.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's what happens you outsource your recruiting to rivals, scout and espn.

I wonder what message board handle Chuck Amato used when he was doing research at Warchant?

by coonhound on Sep 10, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

wow.....thanks for the insight

my buddy just told me about it so i wanted to hear what others thought about it……pretty embarassing

by TheSituatioNOLE on Sep 10, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I turned the channel as soon as he said they weren't as advertised.

I know Bobby isn’t known as a jackass, but that was a real jackass comment. I’m pretty sure Korey Mangum came as advertised.

by coonhound on Sep 10, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Please Post the clip...... I missed it!

If God told me to root for the Gators, I'd tell him to go to hell.

by dubai_nole on Sep 10, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its pretty clear that Bowden doesn't believe

his coaching/decisions had anything to do with the lost decade (other than recruiting the 4 & 5 start kids that didn’t “play as advertised”). he’s shocked and suprised he was forced out and doesn’t think it was justified.

by dale gribble on Sep 10, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

It served as a reminder

on how the trustees did the right thing. Jim Rome said it best on the matter, “in the end, business is business and i understand why they did it”.

by rabidnole21 on Sep 10, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I literally yelled at the tv

dont waste your time watching it, if i see him again on espn i’m gonna end up in the loony bin

by FSUFEARTHISSSPEAR on Sep 10, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read

that Bobby will be in Tuscaloosa to watch his old friend JoePa take on Bama. I wish he was there to support the kids that “under-performed” by watching them from Owen Field in a nice luxury box.

Maybe that would be too much, but I think that this would go a long way for the future of Bobby and FSU.

by LincolnHighNole on Sep 11, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

What officials for the game?

meaning, are we going to get Ron Cherry’d?

by wnc_nole on Sep 10, 2010 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Didn't he retire

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 10, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

What does anyone think about brining EJ in and running the spread option

Take a look at the diagram on the zone read. If you switch up the linemen blocking just a bit, so Datko blocks the LB and Hudson seals the DT, you basically have EJ and the rb in a 2 on 1 vs. the Oklahoma DE. EJ will take his licks, but they don’t have enough guys to stop that play.

by fsu44 on Sep 10, 2010 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

no

screws up flow of the game. Ponder can run the option too.

by B-rod24 on Sep 10, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

58 most shops. A few 59s

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 10, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've got BYU/Airforce over 50

I think the FSU o/u is pretty much right on it. Don’t want to touch that one.

by fsu44 on Sep 10, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I agree, just tempting to me anyway lol

The only wager I took made last week was Miami (Ohio) +37.5. Watching the Gators struggle was twice as sweet.

I put minor plays out with a couple friends on the VT game, but mainly to make it interesting. Over 50.5 and VT +2.5. I pushed so meh

by moneyNOLE24 on Sep 10, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Top notch

Really like seeing the weight of the DLs. RR video is great too.

FYI: expect to see Reid touch the ball on O.

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by TLHWG on Sep 10, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Really hope we can have some success running out of the I

Opens up the backside bootleg and gives CP7 a chance to throw or run.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Sep 10, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm sure it's just pregame optimism, similar to last year's pregame pessimism, but

I have an illogical feeling that FSU smokes Oklahoma. Don’t ask for stats or breakdowns, because all I can give you is ESPN-level analysis of, “I have a feeling…”

by coonhound on Sep 10, 2010 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't know about the entire game

but I just can’t help but fantasizing about winning the toss, scoring a TD on a great drive and then forcing a turnover or getting a big punt return from Reid to set up going up 14-0 early. From there let the chips fall where they will, but we won’t know till kickoff!

by moneyNOLE24 on Sep 10, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we win the toss, I'd be shocked if we didn't defer

Hope for a good stop and quiet the crowd at least for a bit.

by fsu44 on Sep 10, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

The more I think about it, the more I believe deferring is the play

I’m not worried about Ponder going out there down 7-0, and a stop would be huge.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Sep 10, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

true

I would defer as well.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Sep 10, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

The reason for deferring has nothing to do with the start of the game.

It is about starting with ball in your hands at the start of the second half. If you make the right half-time adjustments, you can come out and score right away in the second half. That hurts a lot more than giving up a score early in the game. Lots of underdogs score first and then never score again.

by nolesontop on Sep 10, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, it does

The second half point is valid as well, but the start is an important factor in it.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Sep 10, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

IF

we get up by two touchdowns…I don’t see us losing.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Sep 10, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree - OU has the weapons to quickly score

And their fast tempo means they’ll get more opportunities to score.

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by ricobert1 on Sep 10, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Landry and Co aint built for comebackes IMO I think if we get a 10+ lead(unlikely)

It puts them away from the run Murry mode, and somewhat makes their Offense easier to predict.

 and puts us even more in the keep away mode.

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by truecolors on Sep 10, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

It would be interesting to see how long they stick with run if we get up early.

I can see OU Stoops sticking with Murray longer than we may think because he may not trust Jones to bring them back. Unless he’s more accurate than he showed last week, asking Jones to try to go all Case Kennum on us might make matters worse for them.

FSU 34 - OU 28

by Jamil Dawson on Sep 10, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

It worked for Boise.

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by Jamil Dawson on Sep 10, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

homer

But I’m with you. Bud rocks, this site rocks, I am grounded and knowledgeable as an FSU fan. I am a bit addicted to TN I admit. But I can’t help feeling that old BYU esque/BC 2007 esque, we’re the underdogs and and its time to put on a clinic. I’ll take what I can get and only hope my nerves don’t get the best of me by kickoff.

by Kelly Huffman on Sep 10, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice work

but 67% chance we lose? Can’t agree.

Anyway, I wonder how OU’s defense compares/contrasts with the eilte UNC defense that Ponder picked apart?

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by PeachTreeNole on Sep 10, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Probably compares favorably to the one Ponder picked apart in the second half that was missing a few guys to injury.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 10, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bud has our

offense performance on par with that game. UNC loss that game because a) Ponder is a hell of a qb 2) huge plays d) Butch davis had some really dumb calls towards the end of the game.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

*lost

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

we could argue all day… but there is not way in hell Oklahomo’s defense THIS YEAR is any where close to UNC’s defense last year.. SCALP EM NOLES -————————————>

by TrueSeminole2010 on Sep 10, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

But our O vs Jax State < our O today not to mention our O got better as the 09 season progressed (I did pick up on your sarcasm though).

FSU 34 - OU 28

by Jamil Dawson on Sep 10, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regarding the pace of the game, I think Fisher has the O prepared to do both depending on the success of the D.

I’d like to see them shorten the game on the ground, but then again, the GT FSU game last year was played on the ground, and it seemed like that game wouldn’t end. Of course, that was probably just the lightning delays.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see FSU have a run-dominated drive with long huddles followed by a high-tempo drive of limited personnel changes.

by coonhound on Sep 10, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Do you our Stoops using Cover 1/3 on 1st downs

to get 8 men in the box a la big brother?

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by ricobert1 on Sep 10, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I think we do

and force them to beat us in the air.

by fsu44 on Sep 10, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

If so, I can't help but think that they're going to use the short stuff on 1st & 2nd approach, too

The battle of “Bend-don’t-break” defenses. I like Ponder and his pass protection, but Jones to Broyles/Murray just as much.

Crap. Guess I’ll just have to watch it.

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by ricobert1 on Sep 10, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like Ponder over Jones

in a short & intermediate passing duel.

However, even playing cover 3 with 8 guys up to stop the run, I still think we will give up 5 yds a carry on first down, which although better than the 6.4 average on first down from last season, won’t be enough to keep our defense out of negative leverage.

by fsu44 on Sep 10, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

ouch

if you’re right

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Sep 10, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

then the issue becomes, how do they come by 5 yds/carry

is it consistent positive gain and narrow distribution band, or is it a distribution more similar to the one against Utah State.

I think that will tell the story of whether or not the defense gets the 5-6 stops it needs in order to give our offense a chance to win the game.

by fsu44 on Sep 10, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I want the 5 3 and outs they had.

Plus the turnovers. Then you have to like our chances. Even if Murray busts a couple long ones.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

past performance is no guarantee of future results

If anything I am more disturbed by last week because it shows Oklahoma was looking ahead. Don’t assume they are that bad. They will be looking to rebound from an intense scrap and we are coming off a minor workout game. Let’s hope we are prepared to take the intensity up another notch.

by Ponder This on Sep 10, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally i think they were playing opossum.

We’ll see a different team tomorrow.

......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!

by Scalpemall on Sep 10, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't saying it as a guarantee of future results.

I was saying it because that’s one of the many keys for us to be successful tomorrow against OU, or anybody we face. What you’re saying is true also.

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by goatnole76 on Sep 10, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting here

1884 Alabama
1855 MissSt
1846 Arkansas
1845 Ole Miss
1825 Clemson
1825 Georgia
1825 Maryland
1824 Gtech
1821 Miami
1808 FSU
1801 Florida
1799 NCST
1793 Boston College
1780 Vandebrilt
1780 UNC
1778 Auburn
1762 Virginia Tech
1755 Virginia
1750 LSU
1741 Kentucky
1739 South Carolina
1734 Tennessee
1720 Duke
1698 Wake Forest

1829 Texas
1783 TexTech
1801 Oklahoma
1813 Tex A&M
1778 OKST
1793 Missouri
1750 Nebraska

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 10, 2010 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

with jenije, not moody, correct?

......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!

by Scalpemall on Sep 10, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

think these are front 7 weights

so it doesn’t matter

1800/11=163lbs/player

by fsu44 on Sep 10, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahah!

Good catch,didn’t do my math on that one.

......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!

by Scalpemall on Sep 10, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was very lost for a while. I'm almost too embarrassed to say, but what the hell.

I thought those were the dates each University was founded….LOL!!!
Go Noles!!!!!

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by goatnole76 on Sep 10, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not quite

The city of Tallahassee wasn’t even founded until 1823, much less the all girl’s academy many years later.

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by Nattylite on Sep 10, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was a mens

Missionary school first.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?

Never knew that, always heard it was an all girl’s school.

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by Nattylite on Sep 10, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mission:

Converting natives and avoiding alligators?

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by Nattylite on Sep 10, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

“regional theological school” is a much better term for it. Students picked up weapons to defend Tally during the Civil War helping Tallahassee be the only rebel capitol city not to fall to union soldiers east of the Mississippi.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not that it was a high Union priority . . .

Ever been to the Battle of Natural Bridge site? Not a climax in the war to be sure, but a moral victory for North Floridians nonetheless.

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by BigSpear on Sep 10, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never have,

unfortunately. And you are right, not exactly like the North committed a ton of troops. More like, “Yeah I guess we should give it a go just to keep’em honest.”

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't become a girls school until 1905

With the Buckman Act, I believe. There’d been a school for almost 50 years by that point, I believe.

by Invictus13 on Sep 10, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Became a mens school in late 40's

to accommodate all of the GI’s returning home going to college with the GI bill.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

1785 i believe is the minimum

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by RollNole5 on Sep 10, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think we want to be

280
310
300
265
240
250
240

1875-1885ish

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 11, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a little worried that OU is going to jump up a couple of scores early

and then our defense completely caves, Ponder tries to UNC it and gets picked or hurt.

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by ricobert1 on Sep 10, 2010 10:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Want to agree SWFL

But think Rico is prob right – hoping it’s just demons as you say (fart)

by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Sep 10, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

fart

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Sep 10, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Farp

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Sep 10, 2010 6:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

A Frap sounds great right now :)

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by SoCalNole on Sep 10, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Similar to me

After reading all the analysis here, my biggest worry is that OU wii employ a really fast tempo no-huddle to run our young and inexperienced defense off the field. I think an ideal scenario would be for our defense to hold them to a couple of three-and-outs early while our offense has a couple of respectable drives (even if we don’t score), which I hope would keep OU’s offense from getting into a rhythm.

by csfuu on Sep 10, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

here is hoping our defense

Will actually get lined up instead of getting caught off guard. Mickeys defense loved to dance and huddle so much. Though Erie simms could always slow things down.

by Ponder This on Sep 10, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

a nervous college kid

Can easily lose focus playing on the road in a big game after playing only one half of football against glorified junior college team. You can toss your scheme out the window if one player forgets his job for two seconds.

by Ponder This on Sep 10, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gosh,

How did Nebraska get so small? They must have lost a ton. Ha, so lame. Going to be nice seeing us field a bigger defense than some of our opponents this year. Would be interesting to know OU’s 2 deep size as FSU has some big dudes, albeit inexperienced, to rotate into the line up. Werner, and Hicks, McCloud, Erving, McAllister.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Going to be nice seeing us field a bigger defense than some of our opponents this year.

The fact we can say this is an abomination.

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by ricobert1 on Sep 10, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha

yes, a slap in the face of the FSU legacy, pride, and tradition.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

no just the last 8 years.

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by truecolors on Sep 10, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 11, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody else see a potentially big game for Pryor?

Blocking, running, and catching. He is a major cog in several of the big opportunities for our offense:

- Running out of shotgun vs. nickel, including zone read.
- Some max protect with backs in shotgun, opps for scraping out into flats.
- A little power running out of the I, play action to backs.

I could also see him running the angle out of shotgun (clip from BYU game) to exploit a young MLB that might not have the discipline to keep an eye on a back that is doing a lot of blocking.

by arrdub on Sep 10, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

His versatility is what makes him

so good. Like to see him sneak out of the backfield for a big catch. Clemson right?

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also going to give a nod to Rodney Smith,

I think this will be a breakout game for him. We are going to work the interior with backs (running and passing) and Bert, Taiwan sitting on holes in zone, and this will result in at least 1 TD where he is matched against an undersized CB in cover 3.

by arrdub on Sep 10, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

The last thing I heard was that he had a minor injury.

Don’t think they hid him as much as not risk him furthering the injury.

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by SoCalNole on Sep 10, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as we're naming favorites?

I just wanted to throw in somewhere that Easterling has been my favorite FSU receiver from his first day. That’s not based on any technical analysis, just that I loved his balls-to-the-wall, I’m-going-over-the-middle-and-I’m-going-to-catch-this-pass-no-matter-what style of play, and his great catches (the crashing-into-the-goalpost touchdown in the 2008 VaTech game being one of my favorite FSU plays ever). Just seems to me that he is a guy that you could count on. I really hated it when he tore his achilles, and although I’m happy for him that he has the baseball option, I really hated thinking that he might not be playing football for us this year.

by csfuu on Sep 10, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a Zone Killa

Could have a big day tomorrow

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by GrassyNole on Sep 10, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love him

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 11, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

He looked lost on a few plays last week.

CP7 had to move him to the correct side of the field a couple of times. That tempers my expectations for him. I am otherwise very high on him as well. 6’6 but doesn’t run like it.

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by GrassyNole on Sep 10, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think pryor is our most versatile back and our offense wouldnt be complete without him

unfortunatly some people here at TN dont want to agree with me when i make statements about FSU that are true and proven.. Pryor is my favorite back and bank we will make plays against this not so good looking OU defense.. BANK ON IT!!!!!!!!

by TrueSeminole2010 on Sep 10, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone casts Pryor in a negative light.

The only negative TN opinion about Pryor is that he’s not built to be a “1C” back. But he gets lots of appreciation for his blocking, pass catching, and running in alternate sets.

by arrdub on Sep 10, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I greened you

Because I’m too many miles away to give you a hug.

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by Nattylite on Sep 10, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

May we have an ASSHAT button under the "actions" menu.....

I would like to turn TrueSeminole2010’s post brown

Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.

by Caveman Mafia on Sep 10, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So thats 6 REC's

Lets make this the most rec’d comment on TN guys.

by FSUKook on Sep 10, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can almost see the Tweets.

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by Drew J Jones on Sep 11, 2010 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love Pryor

but he’s your favorite back and yet he can’t run in our offensive system?

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by AMFKNole on Sep 10, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pryor is a team player and a guy the coaches love.

A scheme fit? No. A special running back? No. But he does what is asked of him and does it pretty well.

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by Keys_Nole on Sep 10, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think tOSU will cover

b/c home game, tOSU’s DL, & Miami injuries (RB Cooper & DT Lewis)

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by TLHWG on Sep 10, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

NM

thought you meant Terrell Pryor. LOL

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by TLHWG on Sep 10, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going

42-31 OU. Get some Greg Reid return magic, grab a pick or two, get some hard shots on Landry, recover a fumble or more, and FSU wins. But I think they will need all of that along with an ok defense and great offense (and holding onto the ball, not throwing pics etc). Don’t see all those things coming together for the upset.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Love it

here’s hoping our A game includes a breakout game for Joyner on kickoff returns. Players like G5 emerge pretty early (G5 vs UM last year). I see Joyner or Green or WH or RS, etc emerging in this game.

by rabidnole21 on Sep 10, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Probably not too much Green.

Been banged up with a shoulder injury.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought someone said much earlier

that he was med or redshirting it this year due to that shoulder

by StM on Sep 10, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

possibility of it, not a given.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

correct me if i'm wrong

but i assumed redshirts happen after the season rather than before/during. So the players can be eligible to play in case of freak injury plague but wont play unless some act of god convinces the coaches that playing the player is worth burning that yer of eligibility.

Like coaches can plan on redshirting players by holding them out of games but the actual redshirt isn’t really a thing until later.

by B-rod24 on Sep 10, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didnt FSU destroy Wake in 2009?

UF had to have been favored more in 08 and 09 than OU is now.

Bud, did you know about Ponders injured ribs before the Clemson game and was that a major factor in predicting our loss?

I just like our chances at beating OU, I don’t think it’s going to come down to who has the better scheme or coaches it’s going to be who shows up focused.

by vickers8 on Sep 10, 2010 11:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Knew about Ponder's ribs before the game but after the prediction

So it wasn’t a factor. Clemson was oneof the best 15 teams in the country and we were not even close.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 10, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Clemson was definitely the better team

But a healthy Ponder doesn’t throw all those dam picks and we prolly wax em imho. Let’s hope that happens tomorrow!! Great read!

by vickers8 on Sep 10, 2010 11:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

They outplayed us much worse than the score indicated though.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 10, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Not about coaching and scheme? Did you sleep through the last decade of FSU football?

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by RaysnNoles on Sep 10, 2010 11:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

People have listened to play-by-play guys and color commentators who are former players for so long

that they think that “focus” is what matter (not FocUs, you Rick Trickett fans) and not preparation, schematic advantages and better personnel. The fact that someone thinks that a team will come into a game of this magnitude and lose because of focus or because the other team “tried harder” is insane. It’s the same thing I’d say when people would talk about how things would “motivate Tim Tebow.” If dude wasn’t motivated without the extra help, I don’t want him on my team.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Sep 10, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree it shouldn't come down to focus, motivation etc.

But really how else do you account for disasters like JSU and USF? I guess I’m just saying if the team that played JSU shows up it’s over before it begins. If the team that played BYU shows up we’re top 10 in the polls next week.

I say coaching and scheme won’t matter because the two are equal for this game. Everyone knows our coaches sucked the past decade…

by vickers8 on Sep 10, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the defense that showed up in the BYU

game shows up this game, we get blown the hell out of Norman and sent back to Tally with tails tucked…

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind

a Greg Reid slingshot pick 6 to take the wind out of OU’s sail

by vickers8 on Sep 10, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would be nice

as long as he doesn’t get called for the PI…

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn't get called last time :D

Bring back Korey Mangum — a true Nole!

by SoCalNole on Sep 10, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

sitting at airport bar

On my way to game. Great read to pass the time along with a frosty cold one at 11am. I’m convinced this team will make us proud. GO NOLES!

by FtLauderdaleNole on Sep 10, 2010 11:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

You b@$t@rd

(read: jealous)
(delivery:Peter Griffin)

by rabidnole21 on Sep 10, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Airport and The Golf Course

are the two places that you can open a beer at any time of the day and not get any strange looks from anyone. Enjoy your self while the rest of us are at work today!

by ncarolinanole on Sep 10, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

weird you've got dj lancerock in quotes.

Im watching yo gabba gabba as we speak.

......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!

by Scalpemall on Sep 10, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

if not he's high.

"Don't bite your friends" - DJ Lancerock

by truecolors on Sep 10, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes,i have a 3 yr.old.

Also don’t get high.

......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!

by Scalpemall on Sep 10, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

its different enough w/out the pot.

Not sure id make it through that. :)

......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!

by Scalpemall on Sep 10, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Now break it down"

I was just forced to watch it with my kids this morning. It’s apart of the “get the hell away from me on Saturday so I can watch the games in peace” pact I have with my wife.

FSU 34 - OU 28

by Jamil Dawson on Sep 11, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

houston layover

Boarding plane to okc. Eddie george and paul kennedy from sunsports on our flight. Lots of nole fans on flight.

by FtLauderdaleNole on Sep 10, 2010 4:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

EXCELLENT.

Keep us posted. While you are conscious.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

still going strong

We’re downtown okc. Went to booster party. Our new president dr barron was great. Very impressive

by FtLauderdaleNole on Sep 10, 2010 8:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Very cool.

He looks like a pretty cool guy, on paper anyway. Glad he made the trip.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nole fans all over downtown okc

Interested to see turnout tomorrow at game. Optimism is running high. Saw william floyd too. Team staying at renaissance hotel. Team went out for dinner. Luc is huge!

by FtLauderdaleNole on Sep 10, 2010 9:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ha

that he is. Sounds like a great atmosphere.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems to me your chart at the end gives use better odds than you say.

If you count tossups as 50/50 and going on the 6 options you have, then FSU should be 2.5 out of 6 which is 41%.

"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran

by harper.rb on Sep 10, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

So ill take the chart odds, hah.

"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran

by harper.rb on Sep 10, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

But that assumes all options are equally likely.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 10, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

ah, I see what you mean. thanks

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by harper.rb on Sep 10, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do your beliefs stay as is if we, say, play our "B" game and OU plays their "C" game

Meaning, if we both drop down a level are your predictions the same?

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Sep 10, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

I just spit out my coke

by dale gribble on Sep 10, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Funny as hell cracked me up too

We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable!

by DocHoliday2 on Sep 10, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going 38-28 OU.

Like other people have said though, if we get a little luck meaning fumbles or Reid housing one I think we have a legit chance to pull of the upset.

by fsunole23 on Sep 10, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

1st down passing defense against Samford

15 att
12 completions
80.0%
119 yards
146.64 QB rating

77th in country

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Sep 10, 2010 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Willing to bet over half came in the 2nd half.

I think the punt G5 returned was Samford’s 5th punt….could be wrong though.

FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!

by goatnole76 on Sep 10, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Over half came in the 2nd half??? VERY BOLD, my man!!

;)

But I do remember the breakdown of the game had Samford with a plethora of 3 & outs to start, which is why I posed the question.

by arrdub on Sep 10, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I may be wrong.

I came up with 57 yards passing for the 1st half.

FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!

by goatnole76 on Sep 10, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

1st Half (all Samford 1st down plays)

1st and 10 at SAM 25 – Dustin Taliaferro pass complete to Jeff Ogren for 6 yards to the Samf 31.
1st and 10 at SAM 35 – Chris Evans rush for 2 yards to the Samf 37.
1st and 10 at SAM 13 – Dustin Taliaferro pass complete to Quin Roberson for 3 yards to the Samf 16.
1st and 10 at SAM 20 – Chris Evans rush for no gain to the Samf 20.
End 1Q
1st and 16 at SAM 19 – Dustin Taliaferro pass complete to Fabian Truss for 8 yards to the Samf 27.
1st and 10 at SAM 20 – Dustin Taliaferro pass complete to Jeff Ogren for 6 yards to the Samf 26.
1st and 10 at SAM 35 – Chris Evans rush for 3 yards to the Samf 38.
1st and 10 at SAM 16 – Fabian Truss rush for 2 yards to the Samf 18.
1st and 10 at SAM 20 -Dustin Taliaferro rush for 5 yards to the Samf 25.
1st and 10 at SAM 20 – Alex Barnett rush for 9 yards to the Samf 29.
1st and 10 at SAM 36 – Dustin Taliaferro pass complete to Quin Roberson for 19 yards to the FlaSt 45 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at FSU 45 – Fabian Truss rush for 8 yards to the FlaSt 37.
1st and 20 at FSU 44 – Dustin Taliaferro pass incomplete to DeMarcus Covington.
1st and 10 at FSU 20 – Dustin Taliaferro pass complete to Quin Roberson for a loss of 4 yards to the FlaSt 24.

Passing:
6/7 – 38 yards

Rushing:
7 att, 29 yards (~4 ypc)

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Sep 10, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for posting this

Obviously a small sample set, but 5 yds/carry on 1st down seems like a reasonable (maybe even low) prediction.

At the risk of repeating myself, it will all depend on the distribution of how those yards are earned.

by fsu44 on Sep 10, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thx.

Interesting — but not in a good way.

by arrdub on Sep 10, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since we are all throwing out our gameplans, here are my thoughts FWIW.

Even though Bud thinks, and I agree somewhat, that Beau Reliford is “not a bad player, but he’s far from special at this point,” I disagree on whether he will have a impact on this game. I do think OU will overlook him, early at least, and he may finally have a breakout day. I think this is one match up FSU can exploit.

There will be many situations where I think Beau will see action when we are not spread, and I think this is the game that Jimbo will use him ala Caz during last years BYU and somewhat like the Miami game. I believe there will be opportunities for him against this OU defense where he drops to block then brushes off the DE and goes out as CP7’s outlet in the flats or over the middle. I just hope he steps up and is able to catch the ball cleanly and go for the YAC’s. I just think Fisher will recognize that possibilities for Beau in this game and I would not be surprised if he catches at least 3 or as many as 5 or 6 passes.

Will Beau make enough difference to help us win the game? I don’t know, but I do expect him to be part of Jimbo’s game plan and hopefully his contributions will be part of our 38-28 victory in Norman.

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Sep 10, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I am pretty sure he caught TD's in back to back game against GT and the game winner against UNC.

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Sep 10, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had a coupe good catches against UNC.

nm

proud graduate of the Uncle Rico Quarterback Camp

by PeachTreeNole on Sep 10, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was wide open

and if i remember correctly still caught the ball with his body.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Check

him out right here. At the 9:08 mark. Does a good job, but no defender. But if he gets a couple like this, I don’t care what it looks like. As long as it counts.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

if OU ignores him and he is open, Christian will throw it to him

he trusts him. Lets hope they ignore him or that he balls out! He has to block ronnell lewis a good bit which is tough.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 10, 2010 12:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Noticed something about Jimbo's

game plan when he was at LSU versus OU in the NC game. He ran Matt Mauck 14 freakin’ times. The leading rusher Justin Vincent had 16 carries.

I know that this game was the National Championship, but I got a feeling Ponder will run some this game. Hope for a healthy Ponder with the FSU backs( Smiley or Pryor) blocking for him.

by LincolnHighNole on Sep 10, 2010 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

never mind

that was only an 18 game home winning streak. Why did I think it was longer?

by dale gribble on Sep 10, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ponder's legs

I’m thinking Ponder will be running quite a bit (I think he has to for us to win)

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by SeminoleMike on Sep 10, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Rather not see Ponder run in this game.

We need him for the Conference games if FSU is to win the AAA and get to a BCS game. OU game really means nothing more than media respect if we win.

Maybe my priorities are off though….would selfishly love to see us do anything needed to win.

by Egret on Sep 10, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

"And remember which receivers played quarterback in high school and can throw"

Bert Reed played quarter back in highschool. As a residnet of Bay Count, I watched him throw many touchdowns in highscool. It would be nice to see Bert Reed take a reverse and then throw one deep down field for a game changer, instead of being tackled for the usual loss on a failed reverse.

by sdw345 on Sep 10, 2010 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

threw a 2 point

conversion last year.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes.

But it was complete. I liked it at the time…

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that I expect to see him against OU...

but wasnt Haggins a QB too?

Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman

by CornNole on Sep 10, 2010 2:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Christian Green was too......

Side note…John Brantley or Cam Newton Corn if you were Urban in hindsight?

by LincolnHighNole on Sep 10, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cam Newton

will be a baller. Dude is huge.

by NolenRyan on Sep 10, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

6'6" and 250

fand or my hatred of all things UF , I hope the dude wins the Heisman, is “fabulous” in a Brady Anderson way, circumcises little boys for charity, cries like a high school girl watching the Titanic, and wears Crocs.

Also beats UF sending Mycardial Infarcion Meyer to PONDER his future.

by LincolnHighNole on Sep 10, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Work Bud

If that write up doesn’t get you pumped for the game then I don’t know what will.

by PSLNOLE on Sep 10, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Typo:

Dictate predictable covrages by formation, motion, and down & distance.

by arrdub on Sep 10, 2010 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

OU

was a 7.5 point favorite at Miami last year, and they were ranked 8th. Also, they were coming off a bye week after Landry Jones broke a school record for 6 TDs against Tulsa I think. 2 weeks to prepare.

Miami was ranked 17th and had just lost to VT.

The more I read about this game the more I like our chances. Great article.

by LincolnHighNole on Sep 10, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

fascinating analog

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Sep 10, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

22 point favorites over BYU. OU is 11-0 in the 2nd game of the season.

Texas Tech put up 41 on the defense late in the season. OU was -1 in turnovers that game. TTU had 32 rushes and 53 pass attempts, but what is amazing is look at TOP, and 3 of TTU’s TDs came off rushes.
Team Stat Comparison Oklahoma Texas Tech
1st Downs 16 32
3rd down efficiency 3-13 8-17
4th down efficiency 1-1 2-2
Total Yards 310 549
Passing 262 388
Comp-Att 18-36 35-53
Yards per pass 7.3 7.3
Rushing 48 161
Rushing Attempts 26 35
Yards per rush 1.8 4.6
Penalties 6-66 11-98
Turnovers 2 1
Fumbles lost 0 0
Interceptions thrown 2 1
Possession 22:59 37:01

by LincolnHighNole on Sep 10, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

how do the Gaytors fit in here?

Just tryin to follow this thread dude.

Chief Osceola

by Osceola666 on Sep 10, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heres how i see it

our top 10 offense vs their top 25 defense (2.5-1 us )

their top 30 offense vs our top 50 defense (3/5 them)

(2.5 x(3/5))= 7.5/5= 1.5

1.5/2=.75

we have a 75% chance to win. and thus fsu wins by 10, 34-24 FSU

FSU Football: United We Stand

by stevegrizzle on Sep 10, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

wow.

My math.

My like for FSU>My like for OU

FSU wins.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I knew

you was jokin homey.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

any kind of math

that gives FSU a 75% chance of winning, I like.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question

what performance last year could be considered the “average” performance. We talk a lot on here about expectations vs what we hope to happen and it’d be nice to have a reference point for the average.

A lot of people write on here about how we can beat OU based on the UNC game last year. UNC second half was probably the best case scenario where pretty much everything possible went right. A UNC second half performance by our offense can beat everyone and that is probably complimented on the other end of the spectrum by the USF game or Jax st game where absolutely everything went wrong.

But what is the average game? The game that defines the fact that “I know FSU is probably good for X yards and Y points”

by B-rod24 on Sep 10, 2010 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Frankly, we don't have a whole lot to go on, due to Ponder missing action.

2009 Regular Season Game Log Passing Rushing
DATE OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
9/7 Miami (FL) L 38-34 24 41 294 58.5 34 2 1 129.99 8 28 3.5 30 1
9/12 Jacksonville State W 19-9 22 35 324 62.9 53 0 0 140.62 7 7 1.0 21 0
9/19 @Brigham Young W 54-28 21 26 195 80.8 26 2 0 169.15 11 77 7.0 12 1
9/26 South Florida L 17-7 25 37 269 67.6 29 0 0 128.64 8 -29 -3.6 11 0
10/3 @Boston College L 28-21 29 42 340 69.0 33 0 0 137.05 10 23 2.3 10 0
10/10 Georgia Tech L 49-44 26 36 359 72.2 33 5 0 201.82 7 17 2.4 14 0
10/22 @North Carolina W 30-27 33 40 395 82.5 98 3 0 190.20 12 14 1.2 12 0
10/31 North Carolina State W 45-42 26 40 277 65.0 39 1 2 121.42 4 29 7.3 12 0
11/7 @Clemson L 40-24 21 33 264 63.6 49 1 4 116.59 5 13 2.6 9 0

He strung together an amazing trifecta with BC, UNC, and GT (two of which were top defenses), and then had a few mistakes/mishaps in his last two (NCSU, CU).

Median against an elite defense? I’d say somewhere in the Miami/BC range. 65% or so, around 300 yards, a couple TDs or more, and 1, maybe 2, INTs. I’m actually hoping we run well enough that he only goes for about 270 though. We need to control the clock to win this game.

by arrdub on Sep 10, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pass Defense

OU had at least 5 passes over 25 yards surrendered last week. In the 3rd quarter of last weeks game vs. USU, tOU roughed the passer when USU was on the OU 37, and their QB was knocked out for a series. USU missed a FG or 2 also I think.

OU’s pass D will improve with their DL starters back. 3 sacks for OU.

OU was 3-6 in the Red Zone while USU was 2-2.

This game is too close. to call, but that damn sure beats the ass-thrashing I thought we would get about 1 week ago. Our teams are very similar.

The OU loss in 2000 was the beginning of the end for us. If we win, we may be the beginning of the end for Bob and OU.

 I went to that game, and I still remember Torrance Marshall and all the LB’s dropping back in zone and rushing 3 all night. 13-2.

Bob has 7 losses from 2000- 2004, but 17 losses from 2005- 2009. He is 2-5 in BCS games.

It could happen.

by LincolnHighNole on Sep 10, 2010 4:01 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

it'd be poetic justice

if the game that began the lost decade was against OU and the game that (essentially) pulls us out of the lost decade was against OU.

by B-rod24 on Sep 10, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think.

for this year against quality opponents:

It could happen.

Should be the team and fan motto.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

We are all witnesses

OU is 68th in the nation for tackles for loss allowed. We are #1.

 I keep getting this feeling that we are going to run the ball on them quite well. When Jimbo coached LSU vs. OU in the championship game his starting RB had 16 carries, his QB had 14 (sacks=5), and his WR had 3. Mauck fumbled on the OU 1 yard line 2 minutes into the game, he also threw 2 picks.

Ponder will run, and I think our OL will surprise a lot of us with their physical play. When OU played TTU late last year, TTU was unstoppable, and they ran the ball very well. They also passed 53 times. Stanford put up 27 while completing 8 passes.

In the Stanford game Jones passed 51 times! OU did not rush much maybe because Murray was injured. Murray had 8 catches against Texas, and was their 2nd leading reciver with 41 catches even though he was injured some games. Murray did not have impressive numbers rushing the ball last year IMO. -5 yards against Texas, but over a bill receiving.

by LincolnHighNole on Sep 10, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

speaking of " it could happen"

Georgia with 155 combined starts for their OL. That is impressive. My pick for the SEC East title……It could happen.

by LincolnHighNole on Sep 10, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

well I did NOT know that.

Picked USCe for the upset.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for added poignancy to this matchup.

Don’t forget that a-hole’s tenure in hogtown, either.

Would be nice to tear him down from the throne we handed to him.

by arrdub on Sep 10, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

he is due

with Cam Newton looking like the Future, and the Gator O looking like the poster child for Scoring Viagra, I will enjoy this year watching the demise of Urban.

Maybe Urban hired a Steve Addazzio(sp?) as the new DC. I remember when Urban had Strong and Maddison as co-DC’s. Maddison is coaching in the NFL now. The DC they got left the NFL .

Urban Meyer is a porn stache away from being that greasy used car salesman who would try to bang your girlfriend or mom, and sell you a lemon sitting next to you in church.

Maybe that did happen.

by LincolnHighNole on Sep 10, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm talking about Stoops, as UF D-coordinator under Spurrier.

But the other a-hole in hogtown CERTAINLY deserves a slide, as well.

by arrdub on Sep 10, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yeah....forgot about him there

Spurrier was the focus of my hate then, and you dont have to be Carl Jung to know my hate manifests itself with Meyer now.

Sorry for the mix-up.

by LincolnHighNole on Sep 10, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Change in scheme helping run defense?

FSU allowed only 1 10+ yard rushing gain (and 0 20+ yard gain) last week in 38 rushing attempts against. For (somewhat of a) comparison, Jax St. last year ran the ball (including QB keepers) 34 times, 6 of which went for 10+ or more yards (2 of those 10+ came from Perriloux scambles).

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Sep 10, 2010 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I think we lose by 30+ tomorrow

Friday “stuck-at-school” meltdown

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Sep 10, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

HA.

“It could happen.”

damn…that works both ways…

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Sep 10, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

God. a. are you a woman? seriously emotional rollercoaster dude...

we will not get wiped by 30.

"Don't bite your friends" - DJ Lancerock

by truecolors on Sep 10, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think

rcobert is a woman…FSU defense might play like they are.

It could happen…

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes and we "could" freak out on them after a 6 turnover performance a-la BYU.

But neither are likely….less cafine

"Don't bite your friends" - DJ Lancerock

by truecolors on Sep 10, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed not likely.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope

that it was out DL mainly J-Mac and the DT’s that helped us with the improvement stopping the run.

FSU #1 in 3rd down passing %, and OU is 79th. Bad/Good leverage rushing plays could be the cause…….(pause for effect)

by LincolnHighNole on Sep 10, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

to add...........this cant be right

FSU only had 4 3rd down attempts last week completing 3 of them? That my friends is impressive considering CP7 was marinating after 2.

The next closest team in the NCAA had 8 attempts.

I like our chances running the ball.

by LincolnHighNole on Sep 10, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am thinking Frank is right about 38-28 FSU

The Vegas line 6 to 7 points is most likely due to FSU falling on it’s face too many times last season. Let’s face it OU didn’t do anything last season and didn’t do anything in their opener. They ran Murray 35 times and got him pounded pretty well and he is not that durable anyway. They were worried about pulling the game out because Landry wasn’t exactly lighting it up. Murray didn’t stay in for a scrimmage, he stayed in because they were fighting not have an opening season debacle.

Landry did not end last year on a particularly high note, last year at Nebraska where he went 26-58 for 245 yards with 0 touchdowns and five interceptions. He didn’t pick it up much either against USU. He was 17-36 for 217 yards, 2 touchdowns and 2 interceptions. I am for going with what they are doing not what they are capable of doing. They are nervous about this guy and well they should be.

Now maybe they have all this talent coming back healthy, I don’t know.

This hinges a lot on whether FSU musters a defense. Give me a couple of quick stops by the FSU defense and I would predict a blow out in progress on the spot..

The quick passing game like you said is taylor made for FSU against this team. This game should be close but there is something in the back of my head (not beer) that makes me think this could get ugly.

I know their fans complain he telegraphs the receiver before the snap and does not have a very good pocket presence. This guy is not Sam Bradford.

If they don’t do something different than what they did last year, like losing to BYU, and what they did in the opener FSU is going to beat them.

We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable!

by DocHoliday2 on Sep 10, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

i don't think we'll win, but i didn't think we'd land wilder either

if we pull it off i will be throwing more of my hard-earned cash to the boosters as a celebration of the start of the new era

by Nole2005 on Sep 10, 2010 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's see...

Landry threw 2 picks last week. I doubt anyone here would try to assert that FSU’s defense is not better then Utah State’s.
If FSU is 2 in the TO margin WHILE scoring 31……I think they win.
Otherwise I think OU wins close. Something really bad would have to happen to lose by 14-17.

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Sep 10, 2010 7:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

My final prediction

FSU 30
OU 24

I still don’t think OU’s offense is anything special, neither is FSU’s defense but they aren’t 35 points good on a decent defense.

I been looking back on all of Landry’s games, and they have scored 35 or more points in 5 out of the 13 games he has played. None of those teams were ranked in the top 40 in scoring defense, and only 1 was ranked in the top 50(KSU).

I think FSU’s defense will be in the 30-40 range this year, so we will see if they can break that trend this year. They didn’t get off to a great start vs a horrible Utah State defense though.

by dream catcher on Sep 10, 2010 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

OU oline last year<OU online this year

that should be the case anyway. Hopefully they don’t have it together.

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You must've not watched the OU/USUgame obr...

They look absolutely the same. Bad at pass protection, average at best in run blocking. Murray got must of his yards by sheer talent, 1/2 of them coming on huge gains of 39 and 63.

Football is played with an oblong ball. Take your roundball and GTFO...

by NaGaNole on Sep 11, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

48-27 Noles...

We are better on both sides of the ball. Our OL > their DL. Our DL > their OL. It will become a rout in the 4th as they wear down…

Football is played with an oblong ball. Take your roundball and GTFO...

by NaGaNole on Sep 11, 2010 12:46 AM EDT reply actions  

13 hours to go

I know this game isn’t as important as BC/UNC/UM/UF….. but I haven’t been this excited for a game in a long time. I actually feel like we can win a game vs a top team, and it’s not false hope.

by dream catcher on Sep 11, 2010 2:23 AM EDT reply actions  

We need at least one ST or defensive score and don't turn the ball over we'll be in it IMO

If we lose by 13 or more points I really hope that a convincing loss doesn’t induce “Sky is falling” rhetoric from fellow TN members all of next week and beyond. I am a realist Sunday thru Friday and the enternal optimist on Saturday. I’ve expected for OU to beat us by at least two touchdowns of more for the longest. But their passing defense sucked, and to my surprise, Landry Jones sucked too. Jones threw almost 450 times last year and Oklahoma has a young secondary with a safety covering slot receivers when they go nickel. You tell me which is the easier fix?

I know Ponder is licking his chops wanting to get after that green secondary, and this game obviously has shootout written all over it. I’m cool with that because our defense is ill equipped and too green itself to win a defensive slugfest on the road in hostile territory anyway. But, as badly as we want to win this game, we gotta reconize this doesn’t make or break our season as there are 10 mores games afterward and plenty of improvement needed. Hell, a lot of us thought we “Got over the hump” after beating BYU last year. Still, I do want bragging rights over my family who are all die hard Sooners and a dear friend who got all of her degrees from OU. Damn, the tension is killin me, but it’s a long season folks

by westcoastnolefan on Sep 11, 2010 3:08 AM EDT reply actions  

until 3 years ago

I was the eternal optimist. The last 2 years I felt like there was something missing in my life: Until I found Jimbo.

Jimbo is all natural and wont leave you with that “not so fresh” feeling. Jimbo relieves the itching caused by imcompetent recruiting ( and coaching). Ask your doctor if Jimbo is right for you.

Warning: Do not put in mouth or rectum.

by LincolnHighNole on Sep 11, 2010 5:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone up now at 6:30 am on gameday?

who is hardocre? What is your feeling on todays game now?

I remember in 1997 before the UF game I woke up early to get ready for gameday. I went to the store and bought a pack of M&M’s. The first two M&M’s to come out of the pack were orange and blue. I got sick because I knew we would lose.

Today, different feeling. Trust me, we are in good shape this time around according to the Football Gods.

by LincolnHighNole on Sep 11, 2010 5:34 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm up, I smoking a briskett to make into chili is a few hours....

Put it on at 10pm and have been up to tend to it every 90 minutes or so…

Football is played with an oblong ball. Take your roundball and GTFO...

by NaGaNole on Sep 11, 2010 6:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn....

That is hardcore. You sir are the Old Spice Swagger fan of the day. I read a secret ingredient of a famous chili recipe was bacon grease. How you cooking yours?

Any thoughts /feelings on the game?

by LincolnHighNole on Sep 11, 2010 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL, I do love making a good chili...

I’ll shred the briskett with a fork and cook it in a crock pot. No beans cause it’s a Texas Chili, but spiced by chilepiquene peppers that I’ll roast before adding. My only “secret” ingredient is a bottle of Guinness Extra Stout. It’s soooooo good. It’ll be done by game time…

48-27 Noles…

We are better on both sides of the ball. Our OL > their DL. Our DL > their OL. It will become a rout in the 4th as they wear down…

Football is played with an oblong ball. Take your roundball and GTFO...

by NaGaNole on Sep 11, 2010 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man

never thought about chili sans the beans, and the Guiness Extra Stout is a damn fine idea. I will teach my chinese friends how to cook good chili when winter arrives. They will tear that stuff up.

7 hours to go. Are you superstitious? Football Gods pointing to victory. Saw a white dog today, after dreaming of one last night. Dog= symbol of good luck I hope!

I just want saturdays to mean something again like today. You always cooked chili even when we were a bad team? I lost the passion the last 2 years. Selfish, I know!

by LincolnHighNole on Sep 11, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Glad I'm not the only one up ridiculously early.

Really wish I’d pushed myself to stay up late so I could’ve slept in until (say) 3.25.

"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assault of thought on the unthinking."
- John Maynard Keynes

"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
- Jimbo Fisher

by Drew J Jones on Sep 11, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha

Yeah I have been talking to myself for the last 4 hours on here. I am + 12 hours from “God’s Country” Tallahassee Florida, so I will be watching the game at 3:30 am reppin’ the FSU jersey in China.

Be honest, you have trouble sleeping like it was Christmas, or is this game not so important? I read your latest post, and I am just mixed because we dont know much about either team.

For selfish reasons, I just want us to be relevant again in college football ( not just ACC), and this game may do that for us. It is not the most important game, but damn is it exciting for the first time in 3 or 4 years for me.

by LincolnHighNole on Sep 11, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not trouble sleeping.

I actually fell asleep at about 6.30 last night and slept until 5.30 this morning. Dealing with an infection of some kind, so the doctor’s got me loaded up on amoxicillin, and I had a splitting headache last night that wiped me out.

I don’t think we’re irrelevant anymore, win or lose today. You need only look at the recruiting board to see that. It’s really just a matter of time. And, hell, they might win!

"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assault of thought on the unthinking."
- John Maynard Keynes

"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
- Jimbo Fisher

by Drew J Jones on Sep 11, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Get well......

Doctor prescibed an FSU victory to make ya feel righteous.

by LincolnHighNole on Sep 11, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

Well, it’d certainly go along way to recovery. :)

"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assault of thought on the unthinking."
- John Maynard Keynes

"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
- Jimbo Fisher

by Drew J Jones on Sep 11, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, I usually wouldn't cook someething like chili in early Sept, but I wanted to use my smoker this weekend and I'm all ribbed out.

I could have made beer can chicken, but I got it in my mind for chili…

Football is played with an oblong ball. Take your roundball and GTFO...

by NaGaNole on Sep 11, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

whats the name of that BBQ restaurant

on Capital Circle near Centerville? They got a good Texas beef brisket.

When I make ribs I alwys boil them first, but I saw a Chinese man make ribs (pork is THE meat in China- no dog jokes please, thats South Korea) by basting them in some killer sauce and fruit and vegetables, and then wrap it in what looked like plastic wrap, then aluminum foil. He baked it for a bit, and they were damn good.

Whats this beer can chicken? Cooked like a turkey? Sounds interesting.

by LincolnHighNole on Sep 11, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Famous Dave's is out there, also Piggy's BBQ might be what your referring to

both in that area. I think they are closer to CapCir + Miccosukee so I could be wrong.

"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran

by harper.rb on Sep 11, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guinness Extra Stout in chili.

Interesting.

"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assault of thought on the unthinking."
- John Maynard Keynes

"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
- Jimbo Fisher

by Drew J Jones on Sep 11, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

wowzers

awesome, bro

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Sep 11, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

hard ocre......

back in the day Moby Dicks on Thomasville Road/Bannerman had some great fried ocre, along with some kiss-ass cheese grits and farm-raised catfish.

Okra…whatever.

by LincolnHighNole on Sep 11, 2010 5:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I remember Moby Dicks, farm-raised catfish deep fried to perfection!

Only 9 more hours!

by NC Nole on Sep 11, 2010 6:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sunday after church

that buffet was a thing of beauty. You are old-school like Rod Owens.

by LincolnHighNole on Sep 11, 2010 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sunday buffet

hushpuppies, cheese grits, and a bunch of catfish. I must admit my work ethic at the buffett was Rod Owen-esque

by NC Nole on Sep 11, 2010 6:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bud and Jeff Cameron are making me feel better.

I haven’t liked our chances. Think I had us at 30% for this one.

I’d love to see us win this, and I do think we have an okay shot, but there’s way too much hype around town right now. And it’s irrational, “I don’t know why but we’re going to win”-type hype. I’ve been looking around and thinking, “Okay, why is everybody so confident? Am I the crazy one?”

Bottom line, for me, is that this comes down to our defense. And while they’re executing a hell of a lot better than last year, this isn’t Samford. Or even Boston College/Georgia Tech/Clemson. In Week 10, when the defense has had a lot more experience and time to gel, learning the playbook, etc — I might feel pretty bullish in that case. In Week 2? That’s asking a lot.

But, hey, hope the others are right!

"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assault of thought on the unthinking."
- John Maynard Keynes

"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
- Jimbo Fisher

by Drew J Jones on Sep 11, 2010 7:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree about coming down to our D

I’ve been expecting us to lose this game since, oh, it was announced. But I’m hoping we win it. Last week’s performances have given my hope a little more realistic foundation, though I’d agree with the 30%. But, there is something that tells me, “This can be done. FSU can win this game.”

Here’s hoping our D shows up in a big way, and Ponder makes a “Here I Am” statement to the CFB world.

by Invictus13 on Sep 11, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Like I said, not saying we can’t win it. And 30% is not an insignificant chance by any stretch. It isn’t like Florida last year where everybody seems to acknowledge that we don’t have a prayer in hell. Just unlikely.

If they win it, I think it serves as a kind of “Oh, S***” moment for the CFB world.

"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assault of thought on the unthinking."
- John Maynard Keynes

"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
- Jimbo Fisher

by Drew J Jones on Sep 11, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

SunSports tomorrow, presumably.

"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assault of thought on the unthinking."
- John Maynard Keynes

"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
- Jimbo Fisher

by Drew J Jones on Sep 11, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

sunshine network will replay game

Sunday night 7pm.

Nole fans everywhere last night in bricktown. Took video at wormy dog bar where they played warchant nole fans were loud and proud!

by FtLauderdaleNole on Sep 11, 2010 9:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

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