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'Nole Fans Must Be Patient With Florida State's New Zone-Based Defense

Everyone knows how awful Florida State's defense was, and most everyone expects a turnaround given the impressive track record of Florida State's new defensive coaches, including Defensive Coordinator Mark Stoops who produced top-25 defenses with marginal talent at Arizona.  Stoops is installing a zone-coverage scheme that is a complete 180 from the man-coverage scheme run by the previous staff.

I found a very informative article on zone coverages from Mike Tanier, and have excerpted a particularly relevant portion.  If you know a lot about football this will probably not be anything new for you, but if you struggled with our recent explanation of Stoops' zone defense, you might need to read this. It is important that all of our readers have some basic understanding of zone defense before we break down the different coverages.

If you ever tried to play a zone defense in a pickup game, you probably realized right away that it's hard. In basketball, setting up a 2-3 zone is pretty simple: the space is limited, so it is pretty easy to pick up guys in your zone. In football, with all of that space, you may find yourself defending an empty patch of turf while receivers catch passes in front of you, next to you, and behind you.

Linebackers new to zone defense often have a difficult time with the intricacies of zone coverage, allowing lots and lots of receptions by tight ends and running backs. It is not that they aren't fast or smart enough to stick with their receivers. Rather, the problem is that they are too inexperienced and indecisive to read and attack pass routes.

This is largely a reason why teams transitioning from a man-heavy scheme to a zone-heavy scheme, or vice-a-versa, see the major improvements in the second year of the new scheme.  That's not to say Florida State fans should not expect significant improvement in year one.  They should, but that improvement is likely to come because FSU is moving from the worst defensive coaching staffs in the nation to one of the better groups of defensive coaches assembled in college ball.  Step one is knowing the assignment and getting to the assigned area.   That is easy.  Step two is reading and adjusting on the run while moving to the assigned zone.  And that is not easy, as Mike explains:

That brings us to the key element of zone coverage: defenders must break on the ball before the pass is thrown. Any defender who sits in his zone and waits for the quarterback to release the ball before making his move is a cooked goose. He must watch the quarterback and follow the progression of the pass routes in order to determine where the pass is going to be thrown, and he had better be moving when the ball is released.

Remember that zone coverage is not man coverage: a linebacker assigned to the "hook" zone (the region about 7-10 yards from the line of scrimmage just outside the tackles) cannot rush out to blanket a tight end who enters his territory. If he does, he'll be in no position to stop the running back executing an angle route into the same zone or the wide receiver running a slow drag from the other side of the field. All three players will be that linebacker's responsibility at some point in the play, so all he can do is drop into his zone and stay alert.

That means that the tight end could run an eight-yard pattern, curl to face the quarterback, and stand there with the linebacker six yards away. Essentially, the tight end is open, because the linebacker is on the lookout for other receivers. If the quarterback decides to throw to the tight end, the linebacker has to beat the ball there. That only can happen if he anticipates the pass.

It's not that FSU players did not play zone coverage before.  They did, but it was infrequent and more importantly not well taught.  FSU's former defensive staff (before 2007) did a great job teaching man coverage, but did not do a great job teaching zone coverage as it was just not a priority.  When the defensive staff went to hell a few years ago and the man coverage fell off... well, you can just imagine what happened with non-priority parts of the defense like zone.  FSU's guys are truly rookies of zone coverage.  So, how do they do it?  

But how can defenders perform these nearly psychic readings? They watch the drop of the quarterback, knowing that shorter drops lead to shorter passes. They read his eyes. They watch the cock of the shoulders: longer passes require the quarterback to dip his back shoulder. They learn the difference between a passer's pump-fake and his throwing motion, and they look for clues, like patting the ball, that indicate that the quarterback is ready to release.

The pass routes themselves provide further clues.  Offenses use routes in combination to beat zones. That eight-yard curl by the tight end is often accompanied by an angle route or flat route by a running back, with a deep post route by the receiver on that side of the field.  A savvy defender can figure out what the defense is up to and follow the same reads the quarterback makes.

All of this reading and reacting requires a lot of gray matter. It's an oversimplification to say that man coverage is all about athletic ability, while zones are all about intelligence. But there is more than a bit of truth in the statement. Excellent athletes have proven to be hopeless in zone coverage because they don't react quickly (Derrick Gibson of the Raiders is an example), while slower defenders with tons of experience can be very effective.

Please note that I did not edit or insert the Derrick Gibson example.  Yes, the example of an athletic safety struggling in zone coverage is a former Seminole coached under the previous staff.  That really couldn't be more fitting to show just how far this defense has to go. 

I explained FSU's predicament to my mom in terms of dancing with the stars.  You could have two dancers who learn the steps to a new dance.  They can practice the steps.  But it will take a while dancing with each other before they achieve that necessary synergy.  

But while FSU's defense does have a long way to go, there is a lot of hope for this unit.  FSU's offense is tremendous and faced with the pressure of matching an elite offense score for score, teams often will not maintain the patience and composure needed to move the ball against a zone defense.  And even very green zone defenses have a field day when opposing quarterbacks force balls instead of taking what the defense gives them.  Additionally, FSU has a ton of athleticism on this unit and to say that talent was poorly developed would be giving the previous staff far too much credit.  The great unknown is just how much the new coaches can improve the raw players on the defensive side of the ball.

In 2010, expect the defense to be competent.  In 2011, expect it to be really good based on the greater familiarity with the scheme.

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Great Info! Thanks.

You trying to meet a quota Bud? :)

by jasonole59 on Sep 2, 2010 9:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Expecations

Great article. So the most we can hope for in the first half of the season is longer drives, which provide more opportunities for the offense to make a mistake i.e. (turnover, punt, field goal).

Correct?

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by The Ryno and I Know on Sep 2, 2010 9:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Absolutely

“Bend-don’t-break” defensive philosophy.

Very difficult to do what Ponder & Co. do by sustaining long drives. And even they have their “off” days – compare BYU (insanely efficient) to USF (insanely offensive).

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by ricobert1 on Sep 2, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I expect a lot more FGA's against us

As the field gets shorter, the zone gets tighter and there are fewer places to attack it. The same can be said for any D but it’s more pronounced with a zone because all eyes are on the O. Much less back to the ball play.

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by Jamil Dawson on Sep 2, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

"3, not 7!"

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by ricobert1 on Sep 2, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I yelled that quite a bit last year

until it turned into, “Just let them score as quickly as possible so that we can get the ball back and go for an onside kick.” Was a lot to say, but pretty fitting…

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 2, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great read
FSU’s guys are truly rookies of zone coverage.

Any chance some of these guys played zone defense in high school?

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by KoKo the Monkey (T-Bone) on Sep 2, 2010 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Zone matches better with our offense

Last year, when it became apparent that our offense was going to be special, it was apparent that we needed to play zone predominantly and Bud hits that point here as well.

Zone forces the opposing offense to have to execute. When your own offense can light the scoreboard up, you don’t need the high-risk high-reward man-to-man type of defense that we were playing last year. Especially when its really high-risk little-reward because we lacked the right personnel (DL) to run it.

Instead, a zone defense that bends but doesn’t break which forces opponents to take 4 and 5 yard chunks rather than give up 25+ yard passing plays (which we did 34 times last year I read) or 20+ yard running plays (again, 34 times last year) is a more effective pairing with our offense IMO.

Because when we expect to score at a high clip – we put maximum pressure on our opponent by forcing them to have to match us. Man coverage makes their job easier because you only need to find one breakdown in the defense to exploit it. Zone means that even if you exploit one guy – there are several other defenders usually nearby to swarm the receiver. Having to avoid turnovers, dumb penalties, etc. on 15 play drives is harder than on 7 play drives.

I think this article hits the nail on the head – if our offense is as good as it was last year (and our special teams are as special as they appear) – we can put a ton of pressure on our opponents anytime we take a lead because by playing zone – opponents will know that they’re unlikely to just eat up yards on us like they have in the past. They’ll have to execute and that puts a lot of pressure on an opponent to be trailing and knowing that they have to execute (no freebies).

by GraniteStateNoles on Sep 2, 2010 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

the current players' experience with zone

I recall that FSU played a good deal of zone against Miami in 2008. Any gurus know “how much” man we played? Any other recent games come to mind.
When thinking about that 2008 game, it dawned on me how young this defense truly is. Even if we played zone that game, how many players on roster were even involved?
Jenije, Bradham, Smith, White……and that’s about it.

by The K-Man on Sep 2, 2010 9:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Best is probably Jones

on our schedule. Harris has a light arm and throws a lot of INTs so a quality zone would be hard for him to beat. Brantley is a complete unknown in my eyes. No other QBs on our schedule that I would consider a threat right except maybe Wilson. But the zone should cut down on his scrambling and he doesn’t have a great WR corps.

by osceolafan2.0 on Sep 2, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree about Jones. In general, he did not fare too well against Top 50 FEI defenses last year.

He built up the vast majority of his good numbers against lesser opponents. I would say he had a year similar to Chris Rix’s as a freshman. Look here for details. The only time he cracked a 120 QB rating against a top 50 defense was a non-difference-making performance in a loss to Miami.

I would argue that Russell Wilson has proven a lot more on the field than Jones has, if we’re talking exclusively about individual performance at the position. Wilson had three games last year that are above and beyond anything that Jones has shown — putting up good to very good numbers vs. quality defenses in Pitt (#26 D), VT (#14 D), and UNC (#7 D).

That said, will FSU field a defense that performs at a top-50 level in week 2? That’s a bet against conventional wisdom. What should scare you about Oklahoma is a proven system and a roster full of talent around the QB, rather than Jones the individual. Further, Jones was thrown into the fire without going through spring/fall camp as a starter, so last season’s results may not be predictive of this season’s performance. Finally, from Bud’s account, his OL should also be much more serviceable than it was last year.

All of this to say, no Jones isn’t the best proven commodity we will face this year, but he might be a part of the best team we face this year.

by arrdub on Sep 3, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Zone D + pressure from front 4 = pick 6

Zone D – pressure from front 4 = wide open receivers

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Sep 2, 2010 9:52 AM EDT reply actions  

The basic premise of zone defense is to eliminate those "wide open recievers" that seemed to have tickets (and End Zone passes) to nearly every FSU game last year

This year, even with only a rudimentary understanding of the zone concepts…..you should NEVER see an opposing WR running all alone., regardless of quarters, cover-3, or cover-2.

That being said, Stoops simply will not call a lot of cover-2 on passing downs if the pass rush isn’t cutting it.

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Sep 2, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Rico was pointing towards

what happens to zones when QBs have all day. When you get multiple WRs sitting in the same players zone and someone will be wide open. But at least (hopefully) we will still have people behind him so he won’t be racing to the end zone with nobody in front of him.

by osceolafan2.0 on Sep 3, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stupid question?

Does the fact that we have a “Great Offense” help increase the learning curve for our defense?, as opposed to an “Average Offense”?, or was this allready factored into the competent defense for 2010??

by AirCavnole on Sep 2, 2010 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

It's factored in, but

the way it is factored in is that teams might not be able to use as much play-action if we get the lead. Then you can focus on pass.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 2, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Make sure we point this out

Last year on defense we forced 19 3 and outs, 5 of them were against Jacksonville State. Yes we will be better on defense, but very good will take until next year.

by 21nole24 on Sep 2, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am so giddy

to see a 3 and out. The crowd wont know what to do this Saturday. Examples of 3rd and long last year? FSU runs the oh so scary prowler. Blitz still doesn’t get there, wide open guy in the middle of the field. Or, blitz does get there, PI, or roughing the passer, or some other ridiculousness because the kids had no clue what situation football means.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 2, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually didn't have a problem with trying out the prowler

The concept is sort of the same as the exchanges that we will run under mark stoops…confuse the defense as to who is rushing, and leave guys blocking no one. The execution didn’t always match up, however.

by fsu44 on Sep 2, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are right

The prowler was good. But the execution was horrible. Back to Buds point that the proper teaching wasn’t there. And that it seemed they didn’t understand that giving up 5 yards on 3rd and 10 was ok…

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 2, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im not sure how many well see

Zone D is the typical “Bend-don’t-break” defense. I wouldn’t expect a lot of 3-and-outs and that teams will seem to be able to drive the ball somewhat. Then as the field shortens we (hopefully) force turnovers and fieldgoals. I think the big change we should be expecting and looking for is a massive reduction of broken/big plays against the D.

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by harper.rb on Sep 2, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Will still see three and outs

With the added size we should see more runs for less yards, forcing teams into 2nd and 7+. At that point you play tight zone for 2 plays and try to limit the yards gained. With the zone forcing the QB to hold the ball longer waiting for someone to get open and the confusion a zone blitz brings sacks and INTs result as well. Just because we are moving to a zone scheme doesn’t mean we will just let everyone march from 20 to 20. Pretty much every quality defense in CFB is a zone scheme. The old Bucs D in the NFL was a zone scheme as well and they were one of the top 5 Championship Ds of all time.

by osceolafan2.0 on Sep 3, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is incredibly important for FSU to get early leads

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 2, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

In

credible

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Sep 2, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bud...

in the DB profile you said that you’d rank our CBs #5 in the ACC (behind Miami, North Carolina—provided they aren’t kicked off the team—, Virginia, and perhaps Clemson), and our Safeties #7 in the ACC (ahead of NC State, Wake, Duke, Virginia, and Georgia Tech).

In the ACC only, where would you rank our DL and LB units?

Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....

by TLHWG on Sep 2, 2010 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

I think our linebackers are behind BC and UNC without question

after that it’s debatable.

I’d put the DLine probably 6th or 7th.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 2, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is just to complex

Can’t they just “Go make a play” ?

by Gatorcanehater on Sep 2, 2010 11:46 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

This is simply fantastic stuff

I love to watch football. Always loved to play football. But I have never even come close to understanding football the way I am starting to now. Bud, you and the other contributors are doing an awesome service to the rest of us. You forever have my gratitude!

"Awww, come on guys, it's so simple. Maybe you need a refresher course."

by BookemDanole on Sep 2, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Bring the "Prowler" back! lol

Can’t wait until Saturday, Go Noles!

by H2OFSU on Sep 2, 2010 12:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Great write-up as usual

Also, I saw this Nole video yesterday on YouTube and it gave me chills… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtzBWSxApWw

by Nolez4Life on Sep 2, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Loved this!

Thanks for sharing the link.

Don't you know that any Southern Girl worth her salt is a football fan?

by FSULeeBelle on Sep 2, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wooooooo

Outside of the hokey font, that was spirit arousing.

by FLpanhandler on Sep 3, 2010 9:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Dancing with the Stars...

Bud, good analogy on learning a new dance… One thing to consider, however, is how good a dancer is in general to see how fast they can pick up the new dance… It’s more like “So you think you can dance”… where a great contemporary dancer can dance hip-hop better than Ellen DeGeneres would be able to with the same amount of teaching… Our players are not well versed in this new defense, but they ARE highly talented players. I agree that experience is a HUGE factor, but don’t discount how much a top notch athlete can learn in 8 months, especially when they have a strong desire to learn, which I think our defense does.

by burkenole on Sep 2, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

The thing I think people miss too

is that even when a new starter steps in, he has been in the system for a year or two. None of these guys have learned the system before starting.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 2, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is an important point for predicting how the defense will do and for evaluating

its’ performance as the season progresses. If no one is experienced in the system, then the defense must, by employing any logical measure, improve from game one over the course of the season, assuming the level of talent is not substantially reduced by injuries. If the experience level is reduced by injuries then that should not be considered to be as much of a factor as is usually the case, since no one starts the season with any material advantage of experience in the system. As a result, we should not be the same defense when we play the Gators as when we play OU. We should be much more improved on defense from game one, based upon a comparison of (non-cupcake) games, than any team that we play, beginning at the latest when we meet the Canes, by which time the learning curve should have become manifest.

by Nole75 on Sep 2, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a girl

I appreciated the Dancing with the Stars example. I literally said “Ohhhh, That makes senset”. All this zone talk has been information overload for me, but it is slowly starting to sink in.

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by FSULeeBelle on Sep 2, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

what i'm concerned about is

if our young defense will continue to sit patiently in their zone, read the quarterback’s tells, and concentrate on fulfilling their responsibility in that zone if Landry Jones is on his way to hanging half-a-hundred on us. it’s one thing to buy in and trust the new coaching staff when your shutting down samford, it’ll be quite another in Norman when a top 10 offense is putting points on the board in bunches. are these guys going to revert back to trying to “make plays” or stick with the systerm?
btw, love this site. i’m an addict, must check it 20 times a day

by nole country for old men on Sep 2, 2010 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

tight screenname

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Sep 2, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

2nd that

One of my fave movies in the last 5 years.

......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!

by Scalpemall on Sep 2, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

hated it.

sorry. Don’t think less of you for liking it.

Still a great screen name.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 2, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

¿que usted esta hablando?

no jodas.

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by harper.rb on Sep 2, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I can figure out

“what are you talking about? You must be effin me around.”

No sneakin that kind of stuff by me. HAHA. It was very well acted. They did a great job with what they were given. But, man, I just found it kind of tedious and boring. However when I want to sound creepy I call people “Friendo.”

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 2, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

almost my perfect movie.

I think some (don’t know if this is your case) but some thought the movie was supposed to be an action movie. But its not. Very much a not-hollywood movie.

"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran

by harper.rb on Sep 2, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

Didn’t expect action at all. And I don’t have to have Michael Bay crap for movies to be exciting. But I expected some serious tension, suspense. I don’t know, just didn’t sit well. I think my original statement of “hated it” is too strong. But if i’m flippin through the channels and it’s on…not slowing down to give it another look.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 3, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

the scene where Anton is tracking down the bug in the multi-story hotel was gripping tension.

That film was easily a top-10 theatre going experience for me, all-time.

by The K-Man on Sep 3, 2010 1:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well I think the movie

would have been seriously enhanced by the correct soundtrack choice.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 3, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

really?

Other than the ending I enjoyed it thoroughly.

......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!

by Scalpemall on Sep 3, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, expect OU to score a ton

This defense isn’t being built to beat OU imo.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 3, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont expect a pleasant outcome.....

But i take slight comfort in our (potentially) top 10 Offense not completely carving them up again.

......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!

by Scalpemall on Sep 3, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Tallahassee Democrat . . .

has a good article titled “Defense high on confidence: Seminoles convinced 2010 will be a successful year.” The defensive players have confidence in the new zone schemes because they’ve seen them work in practice against the offense, and they have better techniques for “shedding blockers and pursuing the football.” They’re eager to show the improvements on the field, and prove they’re a good defense. But they don’t seem cocky.

by Lawboy on Sep 2, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

They better be confident in the new stuff.

Being confident and showing improvement, buying into it, another year of learning and believing it will have this D looking great in 2011. Listen to the coaches! Learn from the coaches! They speak the truth! Amen.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 2, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great read once again Bud.

I expect a top 40-50 defense this year, and that might even be a stretch.

by fsunole23 on Sep 2, 2010 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

USC Game

USC came out playing man in the first half and Tampa 2 in the second and still haven’t played well against Hawaii. They are very young as well but I was expecting a little more out of Monte

by dj2fsu on Sep 3, 2010 2:09 AM EDT reply actions  

I noticed that too

It looks like their LBs are getting a little bit confused when Hawaii floods the zones. Also Hawaii’s starting QB was pretty good @ finding the mismatches, including the RB being covered by the DE.

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by harper.rb on Sep 3, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

disagree.

He missed the entire spring and only came in late summer. His accuracy wasn’t the best, but his arm is incredible.

"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran

by harper.rb on Sep 3, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't mistake "above average arm strength" for "incredible arm."

His arm is strong (no stronger then CP7 though, & certainly no Jeff George cannon), but he is WILDLY inaccurate, makes only the most basic reads, and exhibits poor instincts and feel for the passing game.

Below average QB.

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Sep 3, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their defense is TERRIBLE.

Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Stanford beat them…..and 50/50 on Cal, ND, and Zona.

They don’t have to worry about that NCAA-mandated Bowl ban…………they weren’t going anyway.

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Sep 3, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question (I know I am late to the party - sorry)

As a few posters higlighted, since the zone scheme will cause oppenents more field goal attempts – due to the bend but dont break system – I was wondering if anyone knows about Gran’s approach to field goal blocks. (Gran is coaching ST as well as backs correct?)

I feel like we’ve had some success over the years blocking field goals and punts, so I am curious if you guys think that will continue? I realize its a hard thing to project, but the thought crossed my mind while reading the comments section.

by BostonNole on Sep 3, 2010 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

NO idea. Excellent question

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 3, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the best response to that may be Jimbo allowing Gran the entire roster to fill out the ST.

Like VT, Gran wants to use the best talent on the team on ST. So we giving our selves the best chance to be successful there.

"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran

by harper.rb on Sep 3, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats good news.

I get JACKED on a blocked kick/punt…. I can’t imagine how exciting it is for the players. I really buy into the whole emotions/momenteum/crowd noise aspect of the game when there’s a block, in college anyway. Its such a huge FU to the other team – I love it.

MAN, I can’t wait for tomorrow!

by BostonNole on Sep 3, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

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