Florida State Treats Game As Glorified Scrimmage And Shuts Out Wake Forest 31-0
by Bud Elliott on Sep 25, 2010 7:16 PM EDT
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PrintFlorida State treated its conference opener against Wake Forest as a glorified scrimmage en route to a 31-0 win. The Seminoles' passing game had struggled in recent weeks due to a combination of poor pass protection, inexperienced receivers, and an injured Christian Ponder. The Noles knew they needed to find a third receiving threat to compliment Bert Reed and Taiwan Easterling. To do that FSU passed, passed, and passed some more. It seemed like an odd decision considering the ease with which FSU could run the ball on Wake Forest. But FSU needed the work in the passing game and so did Wake Forest. That knowledge made for an interesting game in which FSU was determined to pass and the Deacons played to stop the pass and not the run. Florida State moved the ball, but it didn't score as much as it should have due to the focus entirely on the pass.
Note: Veteran reporter Ira Schoeffel agrees with the "passing scrimmage" assessment:
Yes. 100 %. RT @CoryHeck: @IraSchoffel Do you think Jimbo is treating WF like an exhibition and is working on the passing game for practice?
More evidence that FSU treated this as a scrimmage was the incredible 47 passing plays called against just 31 run plays.
This shouldn't be a surprise, however, as I said this would happen in the preview:
I expect FSU to treat this game as a good power pitcher does a Spring Training game. That is, the pitcher knows he has a good fastball that will work whenever he wants to throw it, but he is going to throw a lot of sliders even if the batter knows they are coming because he knows he needs to work on it. In this case, Florida State knows that Wake can't stop its running game. Wake Forest likely knows it can't stop Florida State's running game. So I think FSU will work on its passing game, even if Wake Forest knows the 'Noles plan to work on their passing game. That means Wake will be playing the pass. This will make it more difficult for FSU to throw, but it will be good work for Christian Ponder and the young receivers like Willie Haulstead and Rodney Smith. Additionally, Kyle Wilber will be a good matchup for left tackle Henry Orelus, who is replacing the injured Andrew Datko. Because Wake likely realizes FSU wants to work on its passing game, Wake will have some success by flooding the passing zones and bringing odd pressures.
Throwing the ball against a defense that knew the pass was coming didn't produce many points, but it did provide valuable reps for Florida State's young receivers. Christian Ponder didn't have great chemistry with young receivers Willie Haulstead and Rodney Smith, but they were targeted 10 times and hauled in 7 passes. Haulstead caught five balls for 44 yards and two touchdowns. FSU is hopeful that he has emerged as the number three receiving threat it desperately needs.
Christian Ponder looked average after battling a deep-tricep bruise and not throwing until Thursday. He floated some balls but also made some nice throws while going 23-36 for 241 yards with 2 TDs and no interceptions. Florida State completed balls to 10 receivers on the day. Ponder did develop some more confidence in his young options and didn't throw any balls that could have been intercepted.
A major concern for Florida State, however, is at left tackle. Starter Andrew Datko missed his second-consecutive game with his left shoulder issues. Replacement Henry Orelus, a freshman, played poorly in pass protection allowing three sacks, including one that caused a fumble by Christian Ponder in the redzone. He was pulled at halftime and replaced with another freshman, Garrett Faircloth. Faircloth didn't perform much better. FSU needs to hope that Andrew Datko gets back in time for the Miami game on October 9th. If not, Florida State must help out its young left tackle against better opponents.
The Noles offense gained 486 yards on 78 plays, including 25 first downs.
Inside, check out the defensive performance!
Here's the non-garbage time drive chart:
The defense, however, was tremendous. FSU had not earned an ACC shutout since 2006. The Noles forced 7 three-and outs. The Demon Deacons didn't pass midfield until the fourth quarter. Wake Forest gained only 185 yards on 59 plays. Florida State's defense allowed the offense to focus on specific plays and not solely on scoring.
The 'Noles baby defensive line (7 of 8 players are sophomores or freshmen) dominated physically. But more encouraging for FSU fans was the excellent discipline shown by a group that had been anything but in recent years. Nose guard Jacobbi McDaniel made a tremendous play to bat a ball in the air and then intercept it. The defensive ends kept contain on the edges when called to do so, and funneled the play when needed.
The linebackers pursued with good leverage for most of the day. Kendal Smith, Nigel Bradham, and Mister Alexander all made nice plays. Alexander knocked out Wake Forest quarterback Tanner Price.
Florida State notched 6 sacks and 12 tackles for loss while allowing minimal big plays.
The secondary played very well. Coverage was tight on an excellent group of receivers. Corner Mike Harris forced a fumble on Wake Forest fullback Tommy Bohannon.
Here's the drive charts from non-garbage time:
| Team | Qtr | Spot | How End | Potential | Gained | Plays | % | Yards/Play | 3-Out | Explosive? |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| FS | 1st | F14 | Fumble | 86 | 79 | 18 | 92% | 4.4 | NO | NO |
| FS | 1st | W38 | TD | 38 | 38 | 7 | 100% | 5.4 | NO | NO |
| FS | 2nd | F20 | FG | 80 | 63 | 12 | 79% | 5.3 | NO | NO |
| FS | 2nd | W36 | Miss FG | 36 | 3 | 5 | 8% | 0.6 | NO | NO |
| FS | 3rd | F23 | Fumble | 77 | 37 | 5 | 48% | 7.4 | NO | NO |
| FS | 3rd | F37 | TD | 63 | 63 | 9 | 100% | 7.0 | NO | NO |
| FS | 3rd | F45 | Punt | 55 | 19 | 8 | 35% | 2.4 | NO | NO |
| Total | 435 | 302 | 64 | 69% | 4.7 | 0 of 7 (0%) | 0% (0 of 7) | |||
| Team | Qtr | Spot | How End | Potential | Gained | Plays | % | Yards/Play | 3-Out | Explosive? |
| WF | 1st | W20 | Punt | 80 | 25 | 6 | 31% | 4.2 | NO | NO |
| WF | 1st | W07 | Punt | 93 | 5 | 3 | 5% | 1.7 | YES | NO |
| WF | 2nd | W20 | Punt | 80 | -2 | 3 | -3% | -0.7 | YES | NO |
| WF | 2nd | WF33 | Punt | 67 | 1 | 3 | 1% | 0.3 | YES | NO |
| WF | 2nd | W16 | INT | 84 | 26 | 6 | 31% | 4.3 | NO | NO |
| WF | 2nd | W33 | Punt | 67 | 9 | 3 | 13% | 3.0 | YES | NO |
| WF | 3rd | W40 | Punt | 60 | -4 | 3 | -7% | -1.3 | YES | NO |
| WF | 3rd | W13 | Punt | 87 | 2 | 2 | 2% | 1.0 | YES | NO |
| WF | 3rd | W10 | Fumble | 90 | 58 | 17 | 64% | 3.4 | NO | NO |
| Total | 708 | 120 | 46 | 17% | 2.6 | 6 of 9 (66%) | 0% (0 of 9) |
The game was poorly attended and Wake Forest returned 9,500 tickets, which helped contribute to the lack of fans at the game.
Florida State next plays at 2-1 Virginia at Noon on Raycom.
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thought it was a shutout
looks like we tied, XX to XX lol
Haha was about to ask the same exact question!
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Lou corrected him though and said FSU was better than NC State.
"Change is inevitable. Growth is optional." - John C. Maxwell
May's just butthurt over Pitt getting slaughtered.
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- John Maynard Keynes
"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
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by Drew J Jones on Sep 25, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You gotta feel for Rece Davis
when both Pitt and Notre Dame lose. Must be unbearable in that studio.
Notre Dame got their asses kicked, too, by Stanford.
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by Drew J Jones on Sep 25, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Mark May will be eating those words later this year.
He won’t own up to anything because he’s not a man, but I really hope someone calls him out on it.
by seminoleballer on Sep 25, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think that they're any worse
I’m very worried about that Thursday night matchup.
by Pre on Sep 25, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wish Trickett would let Sanders slide to the left tackle spot
However I am glad we’re getting the backups some valuable reps.
I hope the reason Trickett isn't moving Sanders over is because they expect Datko to be able to come back and he doesn't want to make the change for only 2 games.
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Check that - probably 3 games including Virginia.
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In a game like this i would see if the kid could do it by himself
and if not, get a back to help him in the big game.
by Ponder This on Sep 25, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
6 sacks to give us 19 on the year
Brandon Jenkins with his 2nd consecutive 2-sack performance. And he plays well against the run. He is really blossoming at DE.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
i still have no idea whether this pressure is legit
or based on competition. We sacked their backup QB what, 4 times?
Because they had to throw a lot at the end.
We sacked them 6 times on 23 dropbacks to pass (17 att + 6 sacks). That’s more than 1 out of every 4.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Not to mention....
Not to celebrate injuries but I remember the days were it was pretty much guaranteed the starting QB wouldnt make it out of game. BYUs QB is out for the season and WFs starter got knocked out with a concussion…..I’d say the DL and LBs are doing their jobs lol
by WPNoleJ on Sep 25, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd because if you're capable then why not?
This ain’t tennis
Saw Peter Warrick play once. The rest is history...
by polknole on Sep 26, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The DL physically dominated the game.....
Not only in the sacks; but the pressures/hurried throws, TFLs. Many of WFs yards were off busted plays (ala Stachitas running the ball). I was impressed not only by the DL but by the discpline showed by the DEs and LBs to not get burned by the reverses and counters. Very impressed by them tonight
I think they got gassed at the end
when Stachitas had some of this slippery runs. Really thought McAllister and McCLoud came in and played very well in relief.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
It was very nice
to see their intensity level. Very encouraging.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
I think Marlins is sayin that's why the tackling was shoddy. sp?
I actually think they just didn’t expect the new guy to do be any good and really let down a bit.
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Amp McCloud has the makings of a STUD against the run.....
I have seen him make impressive plays in the running game in every game this year. Against Oklahoma (the best OL FSU will see all year), he stonewalled the OG on a stretch play & made the tackle for no gain.
In the other 3 games, he has bull rushed the linemen & either made the TFL himself or caused it.
The line is young now, but look at FSU’s functional depth for 2011 and especially 2012….when was the last time you were able to say “FSU’s 2nd-team DL could start for most D-1 schools”?? This group of DT’s will be siiiiiiiiiiiiiick in 2 years.
Oderint Dum Metuant
Completely, completely agree
Amp is a playmaker at DT
And has 2 more years to play after this one(!)
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
In comparison, McDaniel is more of a heady / finesse type DT
Would like to see him work on his bull-rush and use it a bit more at times.
Or is he tasked with “staying back” more? I think this might be the NG vs. DT positional technique, and I can’t remember who does what for us now.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
McDaniel need to use how to better utilize his low center of gravity to better anchor vs the run.
He got absolutely MASHED a few times vs. OU.
He also has short arms…..which is a terrible disadvantage for a DL. He really, really needs to work his hands. EXCELLENT pursuit player though.
Oderint Dum Metuant
A lot of the sacks are coverage sacks.
Our Dline is not blowing people up on the line of scrimage it’s our secondary which is shutting down the receivers and giving the QB no where to throw the ball.
This is a winning formula
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
by ricobert1 on Sep 25, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's more than we did last season against poor comp
So I’m pleased.
FSU 38 - WF 16
by Jamil Dawson on Sep 26, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Werner (1 sack today) is the king of the one-handed bull-rush
He collapses the tackle backward, and then makes a strength move to get better position and hit the QB.
I can’t name the last DE we’ve put out there that bull-rushes like that.
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FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
by ricobert1 on Sep 25, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was held
on at least two other plays, I thought he was in position to make a play/sack. Outside of C. Jones, I am most excited about Werner (of the freshmen).
by DoubleNickel on Sep 25, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
E. Brown
had that in him too. He could beat 1 on 1 in several ways.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 25, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Everette Brown could never bull rush the way Werner can. He was a speed/quickness/moves/slippery guy.
Oderint Dum Metuant
E. Brown was a different animal
His counter spin with club was nasty. If you want to know why we lost 6 games last year, go watch EB’s 2008 highlight on youtube. He basically dismantled VT, Maryland, and one other ACC team. Between him leaving and Magnum starting in 2009, there is the difference between 9-4 (2008) and 7-6 (2009)
by DoubleNickel on Sep 26, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Felt like EB is more of a speed / 1st step guy
Can’t remember seeing him ever bull-rush…
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
He put E. Wang on his ass a couple times
and the same with the LT for Clemson and the LT for Maryland. Had all those games recorded and rewatched several times. That, to me, is what made him so good…he could beat OL in several ways. Not just speed, though he had plenty.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 26, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't wait until he learns to finish
Its going to be sick.
by Ponder This on Sep 25, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait until he gets better awareness.
I used to love playing LE where I could bull-rush the RT, then shed him to the outside & make the sack when the QB stepped up into the pocket.
The biggest areas of improvement for him will come with better awareness and better use of his hands. Once he learns how to use his hands he will be unblockable. he is already attracting extra attention from the RG when the LDT is in a 1-technique.
Oderint Dum Metuant
I think we passed the DL total
against BYU alone.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 25, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, Ponder looked a little rusty. Just didn’t look sharp, everytime he threw it, the pass was short, out of sync with his receivers…… As soon as EJ comes in on a 2nd and 10 he produces…. Just saying.
Really? Every throw
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 25, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Ponder looked good
especially on the deep routes… ball was delivered well… and dropped. Haulstead has to catch those for our O to be running on all cylinders.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
No, Haulstead dropped one that IMO was very close to being a reception
but he didn’t secure the ball and it was knocked out of his grasp. I agree, the Reed passes were tough & not really Reed’s fault—just good coverage.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
Yea that one's on Haulstead
I was pleased with Ponder getting the ball there tho…whether I should be or not
Saw Peter Warrick play once. The rest is history...
deep routes were terrible
Ponder’s deep passes were complete floaters. Very difficult to catch because the reciever had to slow down and wait on it.
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by harper.rb on Sep 25, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fisher said he liked the deep balls
3rd minute
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 25, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
meh
I’m not sure i really believe anything Fisher says to the camera.
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But he bashed Christian last week
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 25, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
hm, missed that
well, Jimbo’s boss. Obviously if you have your WR 1on1 w a DB deep you have the advantage and you need to take the shot. Just seems to me you shouldnt give the DB a chance to defend. Oh, well.
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by harper.rb on Sep 25, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I will re-watch them closely
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 25, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
The 28-yarder to Easterling was great.
Perfect touch on that, as I recall. But he did float some of them and gave the defenders a chance to catch up. Think there was one to Reed down the middle early on. That said, it was a pretty damned long throw.
Think he was under pressure on a few, too. It struck me as more a matter of poor line play than Ponder screwing up badly. We really need Datko to get healthy.
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by Drew J Jones on Sep 26, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Honestly
Excellent defenses pick off 3 throws today. Those screens will get hawked, and the underthrows will bite us bad. make those words.
by NoleforLife on Sep 26, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Strategically, screen calls are a response to defensive formations
If teams are showing they are dropping 8 guys (or 7 with a big cusion) you throw underneath via screens and swing passes. OK did this all day to us, and our corners played off the ball respecting OK’s WR ability and then could not fight through the blocks against them. Beautiful strategy for OK combined with a lapse in our fundamentals.
You don’t want to call screens, though, if a team is showing a Cover 2 look, as all 3 linebackers and both corners have underneath responsibility (unless you’re just ballsy and think you can crush their defenders with your blocking, open a gap underneath, and then scoot to paydirt — we have done this btw).
It’s chess. modern offensive playcalling takes into account the pre-snap read of the defense. We would not call the same gameplan we executed against WF against good defenses (or, at least, we should not) unless we saw a high-reward / low-risk opportunity to do so. You take what the defense gives you.
Teams that can disguise their Cover 2 and Cover 3/4 looks can really disrupt offenses based on efficiency (i.e., FSU) as compared to shear explosiveness (e.g., Alabama, Nebraska, Oregon).
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Which 3?
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One is deep post to Reed.
Two was pass to Thomas in left flats that Taiwan was blocking for. Defender decided to not look at the football. Can’t think of a third.
I can see those two. Was late to Bert
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 26, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Problem is taiwan didn't block the guy not the throw.
He’s throwing that with the assumption that taiwan is gonna at least slow him down…watch replay on Sunshine he totally wiffs
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He's just not on
He underthrew Reed 2x, Im sorry a heisman hopefull makes those throws to open receivers. There were a few more that he would even tell you he should/needs to make.
by NoleforLife on Sep 26, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
If you watch the replay he threw an excellent game when he wasnt getting jumped up and dwon on by Oreleus and Faircloths man.
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A few were fuzzy
but there was one out route he hit in particular that was excellent. It was a designed “floater” and it was right on the sideline where only the receiver could get it. You have to ask yourself, is the throw right for the play. If we are challenging our receivers, you want the ball high and soft.
by Ponder This on Sep 25, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe once
when he threw off his back foot while scrambling to his left, but the 2 when he was set the wrs didn’t have to slow down
he made a few touch passes including the ones reed and haulstead should have came down with
but on the whole, I thought he lobs the ball too much and looked like he lacked arm strength. Those screen plays really saved him in terms of yards as well as completion percentage. I was disappointed in Jimbo’s play calling as well as Ponder’s play. He did have to contend with the end breathing down his neck some plays but on others I though he should have stepped up and made the strong throw. I just think that Miami will take away that screen and we’ll see if we can hit the post or an out route.
I agree with this
Lets keep in mind that Miami mirrors the athletes we have. In order to make the same screen passes work that we made against WF and BYU we are gonna have to execute with our blocking much better. And our reliance on the screen pass is gonna have to be much less because eventually they will find a way to take it away. Jus sayin…
Saw Peter Warrick play once. The rest is history...
We're not relying on the screen. We're taking it when it is formationed to us
And even then we’re not always taking it.
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I agree with the stepping up
I asked you above and am still curious, what about his playcalling?
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It's suspect
Jump balling to the 5’9 guy in the corner of the endzone (should be Haulstead or Smith all day)
Designed QB option plays for a signal caller who’s arm is banged up. We had RBs moving the pile most of the game. Those plays were a waste.
That being said, I was happy he stopped pussyfooting around and ran out of a running formation instead of out of the shotgun all game. Kudos for that
And Yeah, we do rely on those screens. Its the only pass plays that we consistently execute and the one where the LB with 63 awareness should have took it to the house was no check down, Ponder didnt even look. He just wheeled around and threw. If his throwing arm is bothering him, then that’s a valid reason for not looking sharp, but don’t tell me that our passing game plan doesn’t heavily rely on those screen plays. I’ll just wait until we play equal level athletes again…
A lot of those are audibles
Both the designed QB run and the screen passes are part of the audibles Ponder can call at the line. Every defense except OU played to take away our deep ball because they were worried about the athletic advantage we had. So we screened them.
by osceolafan2.0 on Sep 26, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right that most teams played to take away anything deep
Teams like Clemson, UM and UF have the same caliber athlete as OU. After the OU game everyone most said that they were playing back, and thus not allowing us to look deep. They certainly blew up their share of screens that day. My concern is that we haven’t shown that we can consistently do anything else in the passing game this season. There have been no creative ways to free people. If this was a glorified scrimmage, than I would have expected us to try new some new plays. Take away those screen passes and how many completions does ponder have on the season? To be fair we can even add the drops to completion totals.
The passing game doesn’t “rely” on the screens. It throws them when the defense doesn’t play honest. Google “constraint theory” or “constraint plays”.
I don’t like the fade to Bert, agreed. Don’t like the option.
What’s wrong with running from the gun? We’re a good gun running team.
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I love our running with RBs from shotgun
what don’t you like about the option? exposure of QB?
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by NorthernHaze on Sep 26, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Dont like the option with Ponder
1. He’s always banged up
2. He never pitches
3. He was banged up before the WF game, why risk it before the UM game?
This
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I dont mind running from the gun but not in most situations
Sprinkle it in sparingly and keep the D off guard. I’d prefer us to keep Lonnie in the game in the “I” or throw Jabaris(sp) in there for a 2tight set.
Why don't you like it?
“I dont mind running from the gun but not in most situations” doesn’t make much sense. Why not?
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Im in favor of letting a lead blocker as well as your tailback build up steam.
If you go single back or 2 back under center, both RBs are allowed to already start down hill. I think it gives a TB more time to diagnose and quickly accelerate. Running from the shotgun requires both backs to pick up speed from a flat-footed stance and the play usually ends up going East/West instead of North/South at the inset.
Im not campaigning to totally get rid of shotgun runs but to use them more as a way to keep teams off balance. Didn’t really like it when Richt used to overuse it either.
In our zone game we're not really going downhill to start anyway.
We go east-west and his the seam with 1 cut even from our I-stuff.
Richt has never been big on running the ball IMO but that’s just me.
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 26, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry but this really just sounds uneducated to be honest.
Teams run from the gun with multiple receiver sets to try and get favorable numbers in the box. Taking backers out of the box can be a huge advantage in the running game. Trickett is known for his expertise of zone blocking and it appears as if Jimbo is a big fan of zone blocking too. Also, just because a team runs from the gun doesn’t mean they are “pussyfooting” as you stated in an earlier post. We have very athletic lineman. Why not let them use that athleticism and try to get our backs in space??
by fsucj2431 on Sep 26, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OK to Good
Short to medium throws were good,(and very easy to be honest, nat many tough throws today) but he needs to step up in the pocket more, no?.
by NoleforLife on Sep 26, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
He does need to step up
But I thought most of the deeps were good. Haulstead’s drop is on Haulstead.
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ON this point you are right...not just step up either he also doesn't feel pressure from the sides.
I have Drew Wetherford flash backs about 6 times a game with Ponder this year.
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I disagree....
He had a couple odd balls, but I say give the fact that Orelus and Fairbcloth play so bad and the fact that WF was dropping 7 and 8 guys in coverage I’d say he did pretty well. Showed good velocity on the out routes and the deep balls were accurate (just good plays by the DBs).
Hanging deep throws = trouble
Good velocity? LOL? Even the mediocre reporters were saying how his deep throws were hanging…
Out route
EJ can and will make the throws…nice to see him roll in and take that team for a TD…our future is bright!!!
by NoleforLife on Sep 26, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
all deep throws are hung
that’s the whole point. so your wr can run under it. now you might say he released too late on one to Reed, although Reed didn’t help him. Haulstead dropped a beautiful throw
I agree
Ponder sucks azz, I wish the coach would play who the best player is instead of playin Ponder because he’s a senior, can’t wait for som competent coaching to be hired to turn this mess around.
by freshcollegeboy on Sep 25, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
mongoloid logic
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by stevegrizzle on Sep 25, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you guys hear Fisher
At the beginning of the game when they put the mic on him….he was talking to Ponder, seeming completely unaware (or forgetfull) that the mic was on him, and he said personally to Ponder (sounding surprised), “You look really good….”
He was actually talking to
the sideline reporter
by Ponder This on Sep 25, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Luckily they cut the feed before he told the reporter "I want to kiss you...." (hiccup)
Oderint Dum Metuant
by DRusso97 on Sep 26, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
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Oh I forgot to add, 2 turnovers, he looks like a sack of potatoes in the pocket. Ever since Ponder put on more weight, he has slowed down by miles. EJ comes in late in the game, deep in his own territory and produces a touchdown to a first time receiver. Shaw
by ich1baN on Sep 25, 2010 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Dude you are soooo rite
EJ was dominating out there with 2 minutes left, Ponder really was awful and showed how bad he was with his performance (or lack of) today. EJ should have started last year too think how good he would be!
by freshcollegeboy on Sep 25, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Ponder's terrible alright.
It’s all been a crazy plot just to fool you…most prolific passer in the ACC in years, near the top of everybody’s QB draft boards. Had me going for a while too. Wow, can’t believe such a horrible player pulled the wool over everyone’s eyes. Feel free to get a clue at any time. Unless you’re just kidding.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 25, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
you are done
bye bye
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by ricobert1 on Sep 25, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Putting the ban in ich1ban
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 25, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
He taunted Csfuu
along with reason. This is a no no-think zone.
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Maybe that's German
for “I will be 1st to be banned.” Glad to see him go.
Lipstick for men
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by AMFKNole on Sep 26, 2010 8:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry to say it but Ponder has been overrated since the start of this season…..Took him 3 quarters to really get in sync with his receivers…. No score in the 1st quarter at home on a defesne that has absolutely remarkable gashes.
by ich1baN on Sep 25, 2010 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Haha
I really wanted to see how much farther I could take his twisted viewpoint
by freshcollegeboy on Sep 25, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He joined last night
and his first comment ever was so bad that the first reply saying how idiotic it was was greened instantly.
by freshcollegeboy on Sep 25, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You dont think
The fact that Ponder sat out most of the week b/c of injury had anything to do with why as you say he played bad or was slow to start??? If you watch the game you would also see that wake played the pass almost all game…
by C-Nole on Sep 25, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no need for logical replies
he won’t answer
by freshcollegeboy on Sep 25, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Or that EJ was throwing when Wake was focusing on the run
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 25, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
focusing on the run
and completely gassed. nothing against EJ. he’s gonna be great
Was a beautiful throw for a TD
I was like, ahhh he threw it out of the back of the end zone, and didn’t get it there soon enough….bam, right in the young freshman’s hands. haha.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 26, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Watch the throw again
Total duck but he got it there on target!
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 26, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
HA! was it?
happened on the opposite side of the stadium from where I was sitting. I thought it had no shot, but landed right in the receivers hands. Think it was Kenny Shaw right? Was still a great play, spun out from pocket, on the run guys pressuring him. Just a good feeling to end the game.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 26, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice ball placement, tremendous footwork by Shaw
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 26, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
listened to part of Jimbo's post game
and was happy to hear how he was praising the young receivers. They are starting to ‘get it’ and should be seeing more of them in future games.
Shaw
footwork, very encouraging. Good stuff.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 26, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
By the time UF comes to Tally
this team will look NOTHING like the OU game and hopefully the attendance will look nothing like the Wake game :)
FSU, where tackling is optional.
I got the whole thing......set my timer for an extra hour.
Caught the end of Jeopardy too!
: )
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And the part about "Willie Haulstead with ANOTHER TouchDown!!!" capped it off nicely....lol
#GetYourEyesChecked
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HA
MY DVR cut it off too so I’m going to have to wait for sunshine replay.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 26, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah...zone option, zone option, zone option, play action...roll out...TD...
Still you have to like that kind of simple aproach for the future. :)
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Kudos to the Noles
Obviously the better team today as well as this year, and it’s not even close in my opinion. Looked good on both sides of the ball. Had y’all wanted to run you could have all day. Pleased that we kept it as close as we did for so long.
Thought our offense would do better than we did today. Stachitas looked pretty good, concerned about Price as well as our lack of good play calls and execution.
Y’all blitzed 4-5 all day and you dominated our offensive line, pretty embarrassing to me that it was that bad. Our QB’s never had time to throw.
Your secondary was well-disciplined and you finally looked like the Florida State of old. Really took care of business.
It’s been a pleasure talking you y’all this week because I appreciate your fans and the community you have over here. Good luck with UVA and Miami the rest of the year, I think you have a very good team!
Keep up the good work Bud!
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by RAJohnston on Sep 25, 2010 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
Been a pleasure RA
We still have a long way to go, but I am confident that Wake will again be a team that will go bowling in the near future. Grobe can coach he just needs the horses.
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 25, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
Got a lot of respect for Grobe.
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- John Maynard Keynes
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by Drew J Jones on Sep 25, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks guys
We are just undermanned for whatever reason.
Recruiting is obviously a priority for the next few years. We don’t have the size or the speed on either side of the ball excluding the receiving corps.
Still should be fun to watch us grow.
I still believe we will hit the 4 wins that I said before the year.
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Thought Nenon held up well. #75 Hoag can't play much.
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Enjoyed your input this week RA
You run a great site and you’re first class all the way.
I hate Oklahoma.
Good to have you here
Enjoyed your humorous homer post on the WF site too. You’ve got me thinking of adopting WF as one of my “other” teams, and I always thought Grobe was a really good coach anyway. (I kind of like GaTech since they hired Paul Johnson too; I love his “stop us if you can” approach t the game.)
And Stachitas looks like he could be a lot of trouble in a year or two, especially in Grobe’s offense. I’m not so sure I’m looking forward to that.
Best of luck
The ACC is much better when Wake is a contender…and they will be again.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 25, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for stopping in.
I think Grobe is one of the best coaches in the ACC.
We haven't forced back-to-back 6-punt games
since Western Carolina and Chatanooga games (8 each) in 2008. Before that, Colorado and Alabama in 2007 (8 & 10).
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You counting the one that we got the penalty for. In that case it is 7.
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I thought that should have been a 5 yarder...he jumped and got rolled into Popham.
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agreed
it does seem the refs have been unusually harsh on us this year, especially Joyner
by freshcollegeboy on Sep 25, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The refs were HORRIBLE.....
Wake was holding all game (including a choke hold that even Craig James called out), the ridiculous personal foul on Moody, the “roughing” the punter…….ugh…
by WPNoleJ on Sep 25, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And the multiple
No call out of bounds late hits..
maybe I'm just biased
but that seems like a recurring theme.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 25, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Color me concerned.
We’re getting Dynasty treatment from the officials, but don’t have Dynasty level talent. Refs “feeling sorry” for our opponents could really bite us in the backside later this year.
they sure as hell didn't feel sorry for us
during the lost decade
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 25, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, but the ACC needs to redifine "dynasty treatment" See the SEC.
they know which teams butter their bread. I’m not asking for favoritism, but just a fair game would be nice.
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Ron Cherry is just f-ing terrible, as we all know. By his standards, I would say this was actually a decently officiated game.
by 38Noles on Sep 25, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes exactly. His crews are so bad you just have to hope the game won’t be decided by one of their screwups.
Yeah
I always wonder if we are blaming the messenger. What if two guys on Cherry’s crew are just idiots. He might be like “oh,not pass intereference again.”
by Ponder This on Sep 25, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks man,
really enjoy the banter over here.
I didn’t agree with the “glorified scrimmage” during the game, but I certainly see it now.
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Went back and looked. 48 passing plays.
The backs ran for 186 yards on 26 carries.
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they called it
on Demps coming from the other side. I think personal foul was right on that. Now a few others…….
FSU hasn't forced 7 punts in a conference game since Duke 2007
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thinking the same thing
It will be interesting to see what happens to brantley…If i were him I’d be pretty worried. And to think, all this hype about Brantley before the season and IMO it’s Burton who’s the real threat and new starting QB. Just shows that Meyer has to revert back to spread option, he will never be able to direct a pro style, pocket passer offense. What a joke
They could definitely use him now.
FSU 38 - WF 16
by Jamil Dawson on Sep 26, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Cam Newton
had 5 TDs and 178 yards rushing against South Carolina. Glad to see him transfer there because Brantly was the Future.
Wonder how Gate Nation feels about that? Meyer with the Chernobyl like melt-down if they lose to Auburn…Get ya popcorn ready!
by LincolnHighNole on Sep 26, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
They could in the SECCG.
Auburn looks pretty good.
he will never be able to direct a pro style, pocket passer offense
He won his first championship with Chris Leak in a Spread-to-Pass offense.
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Sep 27, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope so.
Our other guys got a slow start. It never hurts to play the younger receivers a little.
by Ponder This on Sep 25, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Bud
So after a few games how good do you think our D will hold against the likes of UM and NCST
if our 4 man rush can continue to get similar pressure
then I’m extremely optimistic that we can play good enough defense to pull out a win. Its pretty difficult to keep teams under 200 yards of total offense and we’ve done it two weeks in a row.
Pass rush, improved run D, improved coverage
A good team
changes thing….. our rush didn’t do crap against OK
Nobody's would have
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 25, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
That was on the DBs
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Bud said something about the fact that
Jones got the ball out of his hands in less then 2 seconds most of the game. That gives no time unless you are Ndamkong Suh going against Korey Mangum playing center.
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OK barely won yesterday!
And BYU was getting spanked too. I think we’re in trouble against Miami. Hoping for the best, though…
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Please read the comment
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Bud, when do you think we'll see more of the offense unveild?
Wildcat, more EJ Manuel packages, etc….
Think we need to see the base offense first
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Are we still leading NCAA
in sacks? Yeah, there are still some games to play, but 5 or 6 today has to keep us in the lead.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 25, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
My impression was that
he is able to play now if absoulty needed but want him to get better and be as close to 100% as possible by UM.. I could be wrong though..
That's what we're lead to believe, we just don't know if they are telling us the truth.
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Hopefully Nick O'Leary saw enough to convince him to commit to FSU
Reilford had one catch from what I can remember and it wasn’t for that much of a gain. Hopefully the coaches explained how desperately we need a TE in this offense to be productive again.
honestly
I think Jimbo could show film of Caz last year, before he was injured, then film of some of our less talented TE’s.
Caz was on track to have an extremely productive season, so I think they could compare the plays with Caz vs. without Caz
Well I think that's true. And seeing the less talent TE's live should hammer the point home
i.e. PLEASE COMMIT TO FSU!!!
I know LSU had some good TEs in the past
Dickson I think was the last name of one of them. Does anyone remember the TE play at LSU when Jimbo was there? I know Jimbo mentioned including the TE more than in years past. That coupled with who are TE coach is should help. A question from a youngish Nole fan (since 87) who was our best ever TE?
wish we woulda had brandon warren for 4 years
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by SteadfastNole on Sep 26, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
The only thing I was happy about tonight was Kyle Wilber...
he absolutely dominated Datko’s backup.
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by RAJohnston on Sep 25, 2010 8:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
the kid on the other side
did ok too, for not being very big
Yep Orelus is young
People should now appreciate Trickett snatching Datko at the last minute when he came aboard.
We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable!
Forgot he had the ankle issue
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I'm surprised that
we didn’t get a TE over to that side to help block Orelus’s guy.
Wilber will be up there at the end of the year for TFl in the NCAA...
mark it down, he has explosive speed.
Thought at first it was the lack of speed for the OL but he has been doing that for 2 1/2 years here.
He had 2-3 downfield tackles too, very impressive.
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Aaah. Thanks
I thought I heard Mike Patrick say he was the leader.
…Mike Patrick is the best college football announcer.
He was @ 8, there was a guy at 8.5 and another guy tied with him @ 8.0
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http://www.cfbstats.com/2010/leader/national/player/split01/category21/sort01.html
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alright...
puttin the cfbstats to good use. NICE!
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 26, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
That's a nice stat
But the offensive lines of Presbyterian and Duke may have helped.
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Good to hear.
At least our guy got punked by someone with talent. Plus they were frosh, so there’s a consolation.
So what are the options at Left Tackle for next week...
Aside from rushing Datko back are these two backups really the only options?
I don't think we'll go TE left
But I imagine Pryor will be assigned permanent chip-block to the left on passing downs.
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two weeks in a row we knovked out a QB
by TCHOP561 on Sep 25, 2010 8:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I hope this doesn't come across as sour grapes,
but I really thought that was a helmet to helmet it.
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Johnston
With your poise and presence under pressure you should really be a nole!
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yes it was
Almost never going to be called when the QB is running into the hole though.
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it was
but he led into the hole with his head at waist level. not sure if that matters with the rule interpretation but don’t think it was malicious. wasn’t left with too many options other than a shoestring. and you’re definitely not gonna do that with the QB
Yeah but it was not intentional, and he was not leading with his crown. IIRC, both players lowered their head at the point of contact. Your player lost.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
This is
exactly right. Both players lowered the shoulder/head and neither were trying to make a dirty play. Good no call. Hope Price is ok.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 26, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean this in the spirit of rivalry
You know… an eye-for-an-eye type jest and so forth, but…
Look who’s conquered now b****** :) :)
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Cool...
now that the series is tied at 50 games a piece we can just play fair from now on.
I thought the talent level was equal today out there, didn’t you?!?!?!
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by RAJohnston on Sep 25, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh don't be a sour-puss
Wake has given us hell over the down years, I’m just happy to see things turning around.
No disrespect to Wake’s fans. The first comment was solely meant for you know who.
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I'm kidding bro.
Y’all were the better team and it was in poor taste to do that 2 years ago. I understand.
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No doubt
I know you were kidding. Most Wake fans are class acts!
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I know its not against you RA.
and Jimbo would never do it because he has a way too much class to do it, But a serious part of me was hoping that FSU would take a knee after the touchdown at the end of the game to make it 30-0. After enduring the 30-0 loss in the pouring rain and having to watch the safety Chip Vaughn walk off the field with a conquered shirt on part of me wanted to see the favour returned exactly.
I’m glad in the long run that didn’t happen but it was just the little revenge part of me that was pulling for a 30-0 win.
You’ve been a great sport RA and keep doing what you do. BloggerSoDear is a great site and keep up the good work.
Team GOLD
by fsugrizz on Sep 26, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We saw their shutout and raised them a point
It’s poetic.
FSU 37 - UVA 17
by Jamil Dawson on Sep 26, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
We will always owe WF a debt of gratitude for the beatdown that precipitated changes at FSU.
by Blue Horseshoe on Sep 25, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Third as well
But victories as well as defeats are meant to be cherished, yes?
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
If Grobe were smart he would have let FSU socre 2 or 3 meaningless late TD's in that game and
cemented FSU’s demise for decades under the HC Jeff Bowden era
by Blue Horseshoe on Sep 25, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
damn he tried....y'all wouldnt run the damn ball against our front 7, blame yourselves!!!
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by RAJohnston on Sep 25, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I had to watch that game w/ Chip Brinkman's parents
It sucked. Next time tweet it and we’ll send it down to Cooley
we were too busy with our secret jump ball play
grobe -" there’s no way they’d try the jump ball three times in a row right now"
Jeff bowden – “suckers.”
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Sep 26, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Not blaming FSU at all...he led with his head, but it was a dangerous play on both ends...
He played the price.
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you will get a BIG argument from Bud on that one...at least the OU part
by Blue Horseshoe on Sep 25, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
methinks
Bud is wrong on that one. with all due respect to Bud, who is rarely wrong
I think that team has a motivation/ finish games issue
Been up by 2TDs+ in 3 games going to the 4th and fallen apart
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Texas lost by 21 at home. OU might lose this.
Lookahead anyone?
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Texas and OU overlooked this week’s opponent in anticipation of Longhorns-Sooners game next weekend. Both might lose #Motivationmatters
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not as overrated as the FSU Offense.
by coonhound on Sep 25, 2010 9:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wonder how much of the Offenses issues are mental? DId that OU beatdown mess with their psyche?
by Blue Horseshoe on Sep 25, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps... but part of being great is being mentally tough.
Even if you have the talent, depth, training, etc… if you are easily psyched out, you aren’t great.
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Second that
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You're offense isn't that bad
You have a good running game.
IDK about your passing game because we were playing pass all day, and also Ponder was hurt. You will be aight methinks.
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Right now Ponder has 2.5 guys he can trust in the pass game and unless we get our LT back we have not much shot at Miami
But I do think there’s hope
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 25, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The think with Miami
Is that Jacory Harris has a lack of patients and is arrogant with his throws
(Not saying he is arrogant, but he is like Diet Favre)
by Trus1te on Sep 25, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Great analogy, rec'd
EJ's response to his own role in 2010 Offense: "You still haven't seen what all (Ponder) can do."
Can't remember where I read it originally.
Someone put it perfectly and said he needs to fight his inner Rex Grossman.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
by O-Town Nole on Sep 26, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Efffffff that!!
He needs to EMBRACE his inner Rex Grossman…..I like FSU’s chances when he throws 3 picks.
Oderint Dum Metuant
Miami will do more to beat themselves...
Inconsistently good and bad
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It's "your"
Sorry but you nailed me on “proposed” vs " purposed" yesterday. Had to getcha back!
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Likely
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We were tied with Pitt for #28 and they got crushed
With some of the other upsets we’ll probably be around 22-25 tomorrow night.
I still think Clemson will beat us
based on how they performed on the road, against a good SEC team, at night, in a nationally televised game. We need to improve alot before 11/13….
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
You buyin' that SEC hype?
I think Clemson’s good. But Auburn is not the team they’re made out to be and, hence, Clemson isn’t either for hanging with them.
Auburn's a solid team--big, physical, well-coached
And Clemson dominated them for 3 quarters and would’ve won if not for a dropped pass in the end zone. I dobut we could’ve gone into Jordan-Hare and did what Clemson did. The good news for us is that we have over a month to make improvements.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
Clemson out-played them for 3 quarters
But did they dominate them for 3 quarters?
http://footballoutsiders.com/varsity-numbers/2010/varsity-numbers-what-do-we-know
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 25, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I thikn they're accurately ranked about 17th.
Newton presents some problems for defenses because of his physical gifts, but I think their offense is pretty simplistic. If you have the size on the DL to contain, which Clemson does have, then slowing their offense down appears to be a reasonable task.
So… while I think Clemson matches up better against AU than we would, I think our offense will prove to be a more complicated task for them to bottle up.
And Clemson’s O is still very erratic.
Zone read + play action chuck it deep?
I know Malzahn (sp?) runs some more complicated stuff, but I think Newton isn’t handling too much at this point.
I know it seems that way
relying on Newton’s legs so much, but start looking closely at formations, personnel groupings, setting up plays for later, able to hurry up at will (wish we would do that with CP7 smarts). It’s not a coincidence that they’ve dominated the 2nd half against pretty good Ds the last 2 weeks. Malzahn knows what he’s doing
I'll cede the point if you've looked at it carefully.
I have only watched them casually.
That said, I think Newton is NOT capable of doing too much just yet — lots of smoke and mirrors around him.
I agree is smoke and mirrors
but I consider that not simplistic when you can consistently execute it. we may have a different definition of a simplistic O. I actually haven’t watch them that much. bout half their last 2 games and I have a bias to not to like Malzahn’s stuff (probably for the same reasons I am picking up from you). But I am gaining a grudging respect for him
Have a hard time rooting for an ex-UFelon (literal) at QB,
or a program that would take him.
I also attended the last FSU-Auburn game as a kid in 1990, which ended with their fans intentionally dumping their drinks from the upper deck on my family and pointing and gloating about it, so no love lost for that crew or their supporters.
So, yeah, I might have some bias, too.
I used to attend the FSU Auburn games
Nightmare. Most Auburn fans are inconsiderate and WHINEY AS HELL.
I also agree that Auburn’s offense is NOT simplistic. It will only get better as the season progresses.
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What upsets will help our ranking?
The only potential games besides Pitt that could help us are being played right now; we could jump Oregon State and WVU if they lose.
On the other side, I think UCLA will pick up some votes, even though they’ve already got 2 losses..
I don't think they'll be ranked,
but they’ll steal some votes that otherwise would have been ours to gain.
Pitt is pathetic
The media tries to prop up a big least team and it is usually WVU or Pitt and they always break down playing competition. See gator bowl with WVU vs FSU.
Don’t make too much of the Miami Pitt game FSU will own Miami this year.
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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 25, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
the score looked better for UM
but they didn’t do any better than Utah did against Pitt (total yards, ypp) and not a whole lot better than Delaware (or New Hampshire…I dont’ know, something like that)
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 25, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
We are already in the top 25 per ESPN
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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 25, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
How
1 Alabama (53) 3-0 1492
2 Ohio State (5) 3-0 1435
3 Boise State (1) 2-0 1333
4 TCU 3-0 1280
5 Oregon 3-0 1238
6 Nebraska 3-0 1175
7 Texas (1) 3-0 1164
8 Oklahoma 3-0 1114
9 Florida 3-0 1044
10 Arkansas 3-0 903
11 Wisconsin 3-0 803
12 South Carolina 3-0 739
13 Utah 3-0 703
14 Arizona 3-0 663
15 LSU 3-0 654
16 Stanford 3-0 606
17 Auburn 3-0 600
18 Iowa 2-1 482
19 Miami (FL) 1-1 472
20 USC 3-0 414
21 Michigan 3-0 291
22 West Virginia 3-0 258
23 Penn State 2-1 198
24 Oregon State 1-1 75
25 Michigan State 3-0 45
2 drop.
We were 28th/29th: Air Force 44, Nevada 41, Pittsburgh 40, Florida State 40
Will we pass AF & Nevada for the 2 open spots?
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 25, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
We'd better pass nevada... the WAC hype train is out of control.
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Nevada can play
Smoked Cal and beat BYU solidly in Provo
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After glancing at their schedule later on, I already regret the comment.
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I see we are scheduled to play Nevada in 2013
Do you think they will still be a good team then, and do we anticipate that game staying on the schedule?
It'll stay IMO
They might not be as good
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 27, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Losing the QB at some point
he’s what makes them go.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
The tin foil on Doc's head is messing with his internet connection
FSU is probably showing up under the top 25 on his screen.
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I forgot y'all played OU
Wasn’t trying to start anything by calling them overrated.
They are a completely different team @ home and on the road.
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Texas and OU overlooked this week’s opponent in anticipation of Longhorns-Sooners game next weekend. Both might lose #Motivationmatters
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OU was overrated. Peeps just need to face facts that we weren't prepared
for our game. We made them look great but in actuality they are just above average.
Disagree
OU has 2 teams….“A” & “B”.
FSU faced a prepared & motivated “A” team……and got waxed.
Cinci & Utah St faced a distracted & unmotivated “B” team……and made it respectable late after being down big early.
That “A” team could beat anyone in the country except ’Bama.
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Don't know if they got "B" or if they are just very hard to prepare for & in the perfect position for a tough game.
Maybe “B+”…..?
Oderint Dum Metuant
NCSU
Im getting worried after seeing how NCSU beat cincinnati and how cincinnati is playing against OU, Im not sure that we are better than NCSU
I disagree
But Russell Wilson is the real deal. He has looked very sharp this year.
Cincy is cincy. They are not a team you can overlook, but if you game plan for them, you can handle them.
They are like all other talented mid-majors, though they are in the BE…
I think we have the better D and by that time will have the better O and we have good special teams
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I watched NC State in person today and their Defense was surprisingly good. Stuffed Brevity all day.
by coonhound on Sep 25, 2010 9:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This game aroused me sexually
We are getting better every week and that is all we can ask to see right now. I have not seen FSU play defense like that in a long time.
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by Blue Horseshoe on Sep 25, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
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Is the 7 day free trail still on?
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by FEARTHESPEAR! on Sep 26, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if see this gameplan next week
vs. UVA; do we work on passing more or are we more balanced?
I will say that I think y'all went to the "glorified scrimmage" too early.
One play by our D could have changed the game.
It obviously didn’t and y’all got the big win, but you need to be careful taking it easy and switching it up too early in my opinion.
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I dont think it was a "scrimmage" per se....
Well after giving up 303 rushing yards last week, its safe to say we knew we could run the ball effectively against WF and our passing game hasnt been as sharp recently; why not use a real game situation to try to get the passing game on track? And if it fails, run the ball?
Plus as well as the defense was playing why not do it if you’re FSU?
Totally agree!!! I was mad last week at half time, and more-so this week.
We should have run until we got the lead or forced 5-7 man backfields… that’s more in keeping with what we will see against Miami or UNC or Clem anyway…
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Damn Boise State is going to play in the National Championship game this year
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Irony?
I just don't see a SEC team going undefeated this year
I think Bama will lose one UF will lose 1 or 2.
Texas already lost, OU looks shaky so I don’t see an undefeated big 12 champ either, unless its Nebraska but they will probably drop one.
Ohio State has to go to Iowa and to Wisconsin but they are the most likely to go undefeated out of all the big names. I think an undefeated Boise will trump a 1 loss SEC or Big12 team specially if the loss comes late in the year. All the human voters will have Boise way up at 1 or 2 if Bama and Ohio St drop a game.
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Irony?
Which is entirely ridiculous.
To presume Boise would not drop 2 games in a major conference is utter folly. And the fact that we cannot verify that emphasizes the problem with putting them in the championship.
They’re about as VT. And VT won’t sniff the title game.
Its not the conference alone that hurts Boise St. Its the weak non conference
Only Oregon St is a legitimate Big 6 conference champion contender they are playing in their non-conference schedule. Va Tech is garbage, Wyoming gave Texas problems but Texas got absolutely crushed by UCLA, and Toledo is not good at all. If they played maybe another legit PAC-10 team like Arizona or UCLA, and some upper echelon SEC or Big XII teams then I think they would have a shot. But they dont.
is he recruiting drew?
If so,this could be a problem .
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Yeah...walking dead man...figuratively speaking...Great guy/average ball coach.
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Yeah, well that "great guy" really screwed us over by not preparing us AT ALL for the NC vs OU :(
FSU, where tackling is optional.
still bitter?
I think he actually did(tried)… that’s the sad part
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Do we really care about strength of schedule?
If we had national championship aspirations, it might be important…
Amazing
OU struggles on the road—can’t run their no-huddle & make adjustments at the LOS on the road. Also, (although its a night road game), this is a trap game—Red River Rivalry game next week… if u don’t believe me that this is a trap game, just as Texas….
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
TOTAL trap game...
Cincy is jacked up after getting murdered, OU has their biggest game of the year next week and know all they have to is win (no matter how it looks) and get out of town. UCLA is not very good (their QB had under 30 passing yards…..and UT fumbled 4 times) and beat an unmotivated UT team. Focus and motivation for college players is SO underrated……
They've been recruiting real well
But I feel like they’ll be a Notre Dame. Great talent, some decent wins, but never getting over the hump. I’m interested in what Washington will do.
He's a good guy.
He could always get a job as the WR coach at North Alabama.
by Ponder This on Sep 25, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
how many WR coaches are on staff up there? 5...6?
I think Ann is the “assistant” WR coach.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 25, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ouch
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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 25, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He's gone.
I don’t know how he can survive this.
FSU 37 - UVA 17
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74% to 10% = amazing.
Curious, what’s your assessment of the defense? Bumpy start, but the past two games make me think we’re going to flirt with the upper end of the spectrum of possibilities for the year.
Michael Harris
is just a damn good football player. Caused a turnover in every game…except OU and I wouldn’t dare question anything he did or didn’t do in that game (given what he was dealing with personally)
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 25, 2010 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I give it another game or two
and he will be. Didn’t count snaps, but he seems to be on the field a lot.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 25, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not so sure
Has Joyner or Reid done anything to suggest they aren’t doing their jobs since the OU game? I like Harris a ton, don’t get me wrong.
Maybe we can look at it this way – we have potentially the best nickelback in CFB?
Also, Harris may suffer from Reid’s disease from last year – he can freelance much better than he can base cover.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
I don't Joyner is as good of a KR as he is hyped up to be.
But he’s skills are where I would expect them to be for a freshman.
He's just looked like the most consistent
Reid and Joyner have looked just fine (except OU, of course). But, man it’s got to be hard for Stoops to keep Harris off the field. Tough call though, we’ve got 4 really good corners IMO.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 25, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I've seen each of the other guys get beat quite a few times.
Have we seen Harris toasty yet? So it might be the lack of what I’ve seen with Harris that I really like.
You like not seeing him not get beat because he's not playing?
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
That MIGHT be the reason... ;)
…but I’m not sure how many snaps he’s playing. But you have to admit, if he’s only getting sparse opportunities, he’s coming up with big plays on a frequent basis.
That is why Saban wanted Harris
He couldn’t enroll in time though
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by DocHoliday2 on Sep 25, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow Patrick Peterson
I love how the refs flag the unsportsmanlike conduct then the cameras show the pose. Love it!!!
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Still hurts to see Patrick Peterson as a LSU Tiger
Committed to Miami as Juinor. De-committed when he visited UF his Senior year. Then said his FSU visit was the best of all the places he had seen.
He said if LSU facilities played a big role in getting him since he felt everything was even with them FSU and UNC. But imagine if we would;ve got him. Or worse…. if he kept with his Miami commitment.
Why are we giving Wake 9500+ tix anyway?
Do they travel well? Their home stadium only holds 31,500 to begin with…
Great question
Do we give that many to each visiting team or does it vary?
by Squaaad Up!! on Sep 25, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
UFelons?
C’mon, CUM is “really upset” about his players lack of compliance with penal codes. We should give him a break.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 25, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
How many did we take?
We requested (and received more) for Stanford. I have been shocked at how many road tickets we are taking so far this year and the last.
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missed the 2nd half
Any place on line to catch the replay? ESPN 3 does not seem to have the replay.
LOL. You saw the guy run in front of the trophy?
I wanted him to knock it over. That trophy should not be there.
Boise is making it so, so hard to pull for them
1. The trophy is in freaking Boise, ID
2. They are so undisciplined and VT-like (THUG)
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No longer underdogs, but Peterson's still playing the underdog card.
Which is why I hate Boise St. now.
by FSUjab on Sep 26, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Against OU, I cheered for them like crazy.
Now, I hear their name and I need Pepto :P
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Very dirty
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 25, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Boise St = Thugs who play fundamentally sound football.
They dont sign any superstar recruits. They just work on fundamentals, condition, and train. Then get turned loose as RS Sophomores and unleash hell
And they take kids WVU would reject for Academics
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 25, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
lol he said penal...
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by RAJohnston on Sep 25, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
F them
The Big East is the only BCS conference they’d have a shot at winning.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 25, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a little slow
what is TWSS?
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 25, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
should've figured that out
Michael Scott is a personal hero.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 25, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope this backfires on Spurrier
What a douch3bag. Put a freshman in when your QB effs up? Really???
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yup
that’s the spurrier we noles love.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 25, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely smarter than me
but I love his self-destructive antics.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 25, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Always has been a good bet with Garcia at helm.
Shocked he hadn’t yet this year; but he’s returning to form.
Ole Ball Coach
would’ve pulled him either way.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 25, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Spur will always choke that is a given
We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable!
by DocHoliday2 on Sep 25, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
COLOR ME SHOCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111ONEONEONEDONJUANMIPUEBLO
Wake Forest '12
Mother So Dear
Again?
He will turn it over or eff it up with incompletions that make no sense
Wake Forest '12
Mother So Dear
I think they might want to leave Garcia on the bench.
Shaw kid looks like he’s going to be a good one.
From the preview
I expect FSU to treat this game as a good power pitcher does a Spring Training game. That is, the pitcher knows he has a good fastball that will work whenever he wants to throw it, but he is going to throw a lot of sliders even if the batter knows they are coming because he knows he needs to work on it. In this case, Florida State knows that Wake can’t stop its running game. Wake Forest likely knows it can’t stop Florida State’s running game. So I think FSU will work on its passing game, even if Wake Forest knows the ’Noles plan to work on their passing game. That means Wake will be playing the pass. This will make it more difficult for FSU to throw, but it will be good work for Christian Ponder and the young receivers like Willie Haulstead and Rodney Smith. Additionally, Kyle Wilber will be a good matchup for left tackle Henry Orelus, who is replacing the injured Andrew Datko. Because Wake likely realizes FSU wants to work on its passing game, Wake will have some success by flooding the passing zones and bringing odd pressures.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 25, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Man you were spot on!
Bu then again your name is “BUD ELLIOT”
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Sep 26, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Spurrier is such an idiot. Take out your QB and put in the hot hand (twice) for 2 ints...way to prove a poiint...
Wake Forest '12
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Wow, look how great the SEC is
they should both move into the top 10.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Sep 25, 2010 11:10 PM EDT reply actions
LSU= mid-2000’s Bowden teams.
Ridiculous talent.
Defense bailing them out
Offense way underachieving with no flow.
OLine soft.
QBs look lost.
Forgetting to run the ball
Receivers not running crisp routes.
Insane # of mental errors
A few explosive plays that have everything to do with athleticism and nothing to do with coaching wins the game.
Am I off here?
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 25, 2010 11:22 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
And the significant part of the fan base who wanted Fisher foaming at the mouth
We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable!
by DocHoliday2 on Sep 25, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
REC'd
Guys got some serious marbles loose.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 26, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but traditionally we don't compete for recruits
No matter who is coaching LSU will have Louisiana at his disposal, and will be able to raid Texas talent before Florida talent.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
I would like to see
Les Miles and Bill Stewart at a chess board
Both would yell "king me" at the same time
before a black hole made entirely of horrible decision making opened up and swallowed them.
by hopnole23 on Sep 25, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Yes
But Les would be more smug about it.
Does anyone just use timeouts anymore, or are they all "burned"?
by Ponder This on Sep 26, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
LET ERRRR' RRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Sep 27, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
He headbutted a defensive player during the BYU game.....That player still had his helmet on
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Sep 27, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep!
I like his enthusiam. Now id we could just get fans and alumni to fill Doak
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Sep 26, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
he seems like a really nice guy
sorta like jimmy carter
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Sep 26, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
so you're saying
he’s a good guy, but not any good at his job? sorry, couldn’t help myself, you tee’d it up nicely
Stewart is probably a good person
It is the WVU fans that should be checked periodically for rabies.
We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable!
by DocHoliday2 on Sep 25, 2010 11:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Late to this show....
but I really like the way of looking at drives by how much of the potential yardage was gained. It’s a good barometer of how efficient the offense was.
"I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault." ~ Jack Tatum
It's new. Got it from Brian at FO
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 26, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
A no-brainer. Simple but telling.
"I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault." ~ Jack Tatum
Explosive? Surely it's not subjective so what does it mean?
"I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault." ~ Jack Tatum
Nevermind. Went to FO and taught myself something new.
"I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault." ~ Jack Tatum
10 yds/play
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 26, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
We allowed 9 explosive drives to Mia/USF/BYU
Only 2 to OU/BYU/Wake
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Mia/Usf/BYU
probably had far more explosive plays than OU/BYU/Wake has this season though. BYU was far more potent with Max Hall and Unga and Miami is far and away better than Wake of this year.
"I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault." ~ Jack Tatum
Indeed. Just looking through 3 games.
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 26, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Does surprise me somewhat though as it seemed like OU
had more than that. Without going back and looking at your posts what was their % of available yards? 80-90%
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66% over 9 drives
390 yards of a possible 595
Remember they had that bad snap
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 26, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Whats our total sacks for the year?
and what were our total sacks last year?
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looked it up myself via ESPN
we lead the nation now (i believe in my estimation) with 19 sacks.
Last year we had a total of 27 (http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks/year/2009)
"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran
MIami is also impressive
they were #1 last week @ 14 and only had 24 sacks in ’09
"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran
Sorry to harp on this, but Wilber had 11 tackles, 2 sacks and 3 TFL, such a BAWSE
Wake Forest '12
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I hate
Ron Cherry.
I think a lot of FSU fans do. When he called that personal foul on one of Wakes late drives, giving them another chance to break the shut out, I lost it.
Shouted (and I can be REALLY loud if I want to) I HATE YOU AND YOUR WHOLE FAMILY RON CHERRY!!!!
Was it the right call? Don’t honestly care. I still hate Ron and his whole family. Best part is, the crowd agreed.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
I SAW THAT
haha, because it happened right in front of our bench I think. Little turd smile looking at our coaches.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 26, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I spent time on both sides of Doak yesterday
You may have heard me yelling “RON CHERRY, YOU’RE A HILLBILLY!!!”
And when he finally gave us that call, I shouted, “RON CHERRY, YOU’RE STILL A HILLBILLY!”
by The K-Man on Sep 26, 2010 1:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
HA!
excellent stuff. He deserves every bit of it.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 26, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Watched the replay on Sunsports last night.
When he called that facemask call on WF (Bert was the victim), Ron a smug/smirk on his face while Fisher was saying something to him. Fisher was smiling, and probably giving him hell for finally calling one in our favor.
I caught that...good for us...totally unprofessional...but good for us. Can we now take Cherry in all our games?
"Don't bite your friends" - DJ Lancerock
ESPN3 is pissing me off
Even when I try to watch the replay its shows that the game is blacked out. any other site I can go?
Remark that "Faircloth didn't play much better"
is balderdash. i paid particular attention to his play and was impressed.
Did you miss him getting beat off the edge and allowing a sack and another pressure?
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Kickoff for FSU/UVA is set for noon on ACC network (Raycom). Bloody Mary's will have to do since it's too early for wine and cheese.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
There is never a bad time for a Zima. ;-)
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
And here is the way it stands
FSU has given up one touchdown in two games
FSU the undisputed NCAA sack leader with 19
37 tackles for loss leader, undisputed tackle for loss leader in NCAA standings
- defense #30 total offense
UF #26 in total defense and #78 in total offense
FSU #13 in Sagarin, Nevada moves to 18th in the Sagarin poll after beating depleted BYU team
7 three and outs against Wake
Wake quarterback Tanner Price knocked out cold, 2nd quarterback in two weeks
taken out of their game via FSU
We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable!
All good stats
But I still like Miami’s D better. They recorded 11 TFLs at OSU.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
would easily take Miami's sedense over all but a few
Texas Ohio state maybe bama
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 26, 2010 1:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
...But undersized. Blockable if you get a body on him.
Unfortunately, that’s hard to do with UM’s DL in front of him…….especially when he is on the left side behind Bailey.
Oderint Dum Metuant
That is supposed to be #21 total defense
We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable!
Miami is #8
If FSU can shut out UVA it will probably move into the top ten defensively. it wasn’t long ago we were talking about FSU breaking into the top 50
We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable!
4.7 ypp seems really low against WF. Is this a result of the play selection, ie. passing v. running?
where did you see that?
That doesn’t sound right. FSU passing was 6.6 yards per attempt and I’m pretty sure the running game didn’t bring that down.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 26, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Non garbage time only. Very true. Those sacks we gave up, 2 for turnovers really hurt yards per play.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 26, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Our backs had more than 7 a carry
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says
Wake Forest was dropping 8 guys into coverage making it hard to throw deep balls but easy to run.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 26, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
And wake was getting pressure
making deep balls harder because our left tackle situation is uhhh, not looking so great. Got to get Datko back by Miami or FSU has maybe 15 percent chance of winning in my opinion. It is that important to get him healthy.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 26, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking today that I wish Brandon Davis came back for his 5th year.
We’d have more flexibility in the line.
In my opinion, Sanders-Spurlock-McMahon-Davis-Hudson > Sanders-Spurlock-McMahon-Hudson-Orelus (at this time)
I think for one thing, we are only going to see Hudson on the outside in some crazy emergency. We arnt there yet. The player for WF who was causing most of the trouble is actually a really good player + fisher was going a little crazy with the passing plays and WF knew it. In a better game the play-calling should mix up a little better and Ponder wont be forcing so many passes downfield.
I don’t think trickett misses Davis, which doesnt worry me.
"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran
i see your point. I do believe that 22 year old Brandon Davis is a better option right now than a young Orelus. This experience will pay off long term for Henry and FSU, but could become an issue against elite pass rushers this season.
Yes
Didn’t give much thought about Davis when he split. Hard to blame him but he could have been extremely helpful right now.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 27, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Some more stats for FSU
(I don’t put a lot of weight on these guys, I think the teams FSU has been successful against this season are not close to the quality of teams that FSU will have to beat to win the ACC)
but none-the-less, they are fun to look at.
FSU Total D yds/game : #21 (Miami #8, Virgina #19, Florida #24)
FSU Rushing D: #12 (BC #6, Florida #13, Virgina #26)
FSU Passing D: #63 (UNC #4, MIami #8, Virgina #35, NC State #48, Maryland #49, Florida #61)
FSU Sacks: #1 (Miami #2, NC State #6, Clemson #10, VT #15, Florida #38)
FSU Scoring D pts/game: #26 (Virgina #7, Miami #11, Florida, #15, BC #32)
FSU Tackles for Loss: #3 (Miami #1, Clemson #4, BC #20)
FSU First Downs Allowed: #67 (Miami #9, NC State #15, UNC #26, Florida #31, BC #33)
FSU D Red Zone Efficiency: #40
FSU 3rd Down Conversion Percentage Defense: #42
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