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Florida State Stomps Samford 59-6

The Jimbo Fisher Era could not have started any better.  FSU was crisp from the opening snap.  The execution was decidedly un-Bowden like.  FSU's top rated offense from a year ago came out firing, averaging more than 8 yards per snap.  Christian Ponder had a ridiculous quarterback rating of 260, completing 12 of 14 passes for 158 yards, and a 4/1 TD/INT ratio en route to a 42-3 halftime lead.  The offensive line was excellent, as usual, and Samford almost never had pressure behind the line of scrimmage.  The 42 first-half points were the most any FSU team has scored in a half since the Chris Weikle-led Noles against Duke in 2000.

The most encouraging thing for the 'Noles was the absence of the mental lapses seen during Bowden's lost decade.  FSU executed without delay of game penalties.  Both first team units lacked sloppiness.  

Christian Ponder was pleased:

"We played well.  We took advantage of the short fields the defense gave us.  Still room to go and we need to establish greater rhythm and we need to correct a lot of things.  We are happy but not satisfied."

Jimbo Fisher was pleased with the effort:

"We got the jitters out.  The kids played hard, all 3 facets (offense, defense, and special teams).  I was impressed by the intensity level throughout the whole game.  That's our mark.  Play 60 minutes of intense football no matter the score."

"Anytime you make plays it means something," Fisher said in his first postgame news conference as the man in charge. "We are going to play one way only and that's with effort and passion."

"From a game management standpoint I was pleased with how we handled things," Fisher said. "We tried to get the freshmen in there. We were very organized."

Meanwhile the focus was on the defense, one of college football's worst in 2009.  The first team defense held Samford to less than 100 yards on 36 first-half plays.  It was a dominant effort, the kind of performance you expect from a good defense.  FSU's new zone scheme was a much different look for the Seminoles, and was a welcome change.  It was immediately evident that FSU's defense was coached by competent coaches, something not seen in years past.  FSU's quad of talented corners (Greg Reid, Xavier Rhodes, Lamarcus Joyner, and Mike Harris) impressed and the angles taken to the football and the assignments played were much better than in recent years.  Sophomore defensive end Brandon Jenkins had at least one sack and potentially more, depending on the official scorer).

Samford refused to punt to All-ACC corner Greg Reid for the first four punts.  On the fifth punt, Reid reminded them why they made that decision, returning a punt 73 yards for the touchdown and the 35-0 lead.

Not wanting to risk injury to Ponder or the other offensive starters, Fisher pulled them and inserted the second team.  Gator-Bowl MVP E.J. Manuel led that attack to almost 10 yards per play, highlighted by a 57-yard run by Junior running back Ty Jones.  

The second-team defense featured six freshmen and played well.  Red-shirt freshman defensive tackle Demonte McAllister impressed from his first snap, showing the promise that came with the praise he earned during his recruitment.  The second-team defense allowed only five yards per play.  True-freshman defensive end Bjoern Werner also impressed.  

Good teams dominate bad teams and that is exactly what Florida State did.  With the trip to Norman Oklahoma looming, the 'Noles still have much to work on.  This team clearly lacks quality depth, but the young players gave FSU fans hope that the Noles might be special in the coming years.

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Great game all around.

Enough good to build players’ confidence.

Enough bad to keep them working hard.

And as far as I know, no injuries.

by MattDNole on Sep 4, 2010 3:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Exactly my thought

Matt at the end of the game. Plenty of stuff for them to yell at players about. That of course being a good thing.

here were a couple guys that looked like they got banged up. Haulstead looked like he may have tweaked a knee a little. He came out of the game after a hit on a great catch on the sideline, don’t’ think I saw him come back in. Mister Alexander looked like he got dinged up a bit at one point as well. One of the holding calls that Samford got caught for, it looked like the Oline guy horse collared one of our DTs to the ground. He didn’t look too good after the play standing up. But, just to let everyone know, I don’t think anything was serious. Guess we’ll find out.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 4, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looked to me..

Like Haulstead hurt his back. Hope I’m wrong. I saw what looked like an awkward snap-back at the waist when he went out of bounds. But his legs were tucked under him so maybe “knee” is correct.

Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.

by fmnole on Sep 4, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very impressed.

Wow. Joyner played very well, as did the other freshman (Jones, Werner)

by fsufrenzy911 on Sep 4, 2010 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice way to start off the season...

I was very excited to see Werner in action!

by Nolesfan97 on Sep 4, 2010 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not great at looking a defenses when it comes to the intricacies of it all, I have a question for those that are.

Did we seems to show our hand completely on the defensive side? Or did we save the real stuff for next week? I know the coaches will never say so but I wanted to see your thoughts?

by RunninNole5 on Sep 4, 2010 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Lots of basic 2 and 3

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 4, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

We didn't show everything by any means.

Remember, being that this is our first game in the system, there are things Stoops will implement going forward possibly as soon as next week. The most important thing is that we learned a lot about ourselves and can improve where needed. Hopefully enough to steal on in Norman.

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by Jamil Dawson on Sep 4, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

*one

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by Jamil Dawson on Sep 4, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm sorry,who said 10 points?

Where I come from we take your SOD and bury it too!

by cflnole on Sep 4, 2010 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's see what next week brings

We took care of business like we should have. Had some learning moments and some things to work out but let’s not forget the "FSU is back "hype after stomping WCU and UTC in the beginning of 2008.

Next week we’ll see if and how far we’re back.

by StM on Sep 4, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I fully agree

There was a lot to like about this game, but it’s no reason to start thinking “we’re back!” just yet. (That 2008 beginning should serve as a warning.) We just need to enjoy today, and set our sights on OU tomorrow.

Overall, though, great game and congrats to the coaches and players!

by Invictus13 on Sep 4, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should never say

we’re back when beating Samford. Though we did do exactly what we supposed to do. Beat OU, Miami, and that little team down south this year and then we get to say “we’re back”.

by David Rohe on Sep 4, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

300 yards given up by the defense?

thank goodness for a couple of goal-line stands.

Gripper

by Gripper on Sep 4, 2010 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

How many by the first team? Less than 100 on 36 plays. Go hang with Bowden.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 4, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I almost beat you to that.
The Jimbo Fisher Era could now have started any better.

I assume you meant not. Just want to say one more time, you told us you want us pointing these things out, I only say that cuz I remember Spetmans comment, and Im not trying to be annoying about it.

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by Miaminole on Sep 4, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bowden

With the interview clips they would not stop playing, you would think that he was the new coach at FSU and not JF. I’m all for celebrating what the man did for us, but it was absurd that they spent the whole game referring to Bowden instead of JF, who just got his first win ever as head coach.

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by SoCalNole on Sep 4, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which happens first?

People stop mentioning Bobby Bowden every five (or fewer) minutes during FSU games, or they stop mentioning tim tebow every five (or fewer) minutes during uf games?

by Invictus13 on Sep 4, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tebow

Tebow wasn’t “owed just one more year”…..

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by DRusso97 on Sep 4, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

That wasnt all first string defense champ.

Also, those goal land stances dont happen last year.

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by Miaminole on Sep 4, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are correct...last year they would not have been goal line stances;

they would have been touchdowns against an opponent like Stamford with Bowden and CTC calling the shots. With the last regime it the score would have been like last year’s Jacksonville State game (19-9) Great opening game. Did what they were supposed to do, rested the starter for the second half and did not show OU too much.

by Baltimoron on Sep 4, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on now

J State showed they are not half bad against Ole Miss, plus last year it was not the defense that solely made that game close. Fisher’s side of the ball was very sloppy in holding onto the ball that game. The offensive yards were much higher than the score indicated, which is why you cannot always go by numbers, as whoever wins matters not who has the most yards.

Remember in 2008 FSU, under Bowden, etc, blew out two chump opponents, so while excited, lets taper it some.

by nolestuff on Sep 5, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is why we use FEI and not raw stats.

Our defense was much better than that when it mattered.

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by Jamil Dawson on Sep 4, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think 1AA games are counted in FEI

so the whole game didnt matter if youre going by fei. from the look of the i would say the defense looks a lot better. i cringed a few times in the first half when i expected some big runs and our guys were playing their assignment and made the tackle.

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by stevegrizzle on Sep 5, 2010 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was disappointed

that our new wide receivers barely had any catches. Maybe Haulstead had a couple , but Rod Smith only had one that I remember (although he had a nice run afterwards) and Haggins had one. This is not good going in to Oklahoma. We can’’t depend on just Taiwan and Bert. Maybe our backs will catch a few in the next game.

by FSU PHD on Sep 4, 2010 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Easterling had 4 and Bert had 5

You have to see what is available. I don’t want our QBs throwing into two-deep when there’s someone wide open underneath.

We only ran 57 total plays because we had such field position. 27 passes 26 rushes.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 4, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

G5

first touch=touchdown baby!!!

by cdnole on Sep 4, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

I think he had the offensive run first, right? ;-)

by Invictus13 on Sep 4, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok, ok

first pr touch……touchdown…nice avg so far

by cdnole on Sep 4, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed!

Now, how many total returns will he need to be considered for the All-American spot at returner? If people keep kicking it out of bounds, can he get it off reputation – or does it usually go to guys with lots of yards, big average, several TDs?

by Invictus13 on Sep 4, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to admit I was concerned as well but you're right.

CP7 took what was there. EJ tried to force one and we all saw the outcome. A huge positive was the play of our RBs. They are good receivers out of the backfield and must be accounted for. Things will open up as the season progresses.

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by Jamil Dawson on Sep 4, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ty Jones

I have been hearing good things about him for 2 years, and to be honest I gave up on him. I considered our only really good options to be JT & CT, but WOW was I wrong. Jones looked amazing. Talk about a power back to let pound away on the opposing D, and his cuts were outstanding! Do you think he could end up taking the lead role and keeping it, because I DO!

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by SoCalNole on Sep 4, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ty's vision was unmatched

by any other back today. He simply just saw things the way you should as a back in the zone running offense. Great game for him.

by Dizzim on Sep 4, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had a little wiggle that Thomas/Thompson haven't displayed.

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to agree with you

I was extremely impressed with him today.

by NolenRyan on Sep 4, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was real impressed with Ty

The man looked like an NFL back out there keeping things simple with just making one cut and keeping his legs moving while heading up field

by FSUPhi1584 on Sep 4, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

lots of lower body strength

didn’t go down.

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by harper.rb on Sep 4, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

As Bud has stated above somewhere

Against a very worn down Samford defense…

Still nice to see from Jones though

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by Volstud on Sep 4, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure how worn down they were.

At the end of the 1st half, I believe Samford had a substantial lead in TOP, something like 18+ min to our 11+ min.
You play 11 min, have a halftime break, how worn out can you be?

by NoleLaw on Sep 4, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree with you.

While it was really hot, they’re from the south so they’re used to it. And they weren’t on the field a whole lot in the 1st half. It’s certainly possible their first game vs a much tougher opponent they did wear down sort of exponentially as the 2nd half went on, because we did have more time of possession with Manuel out there (I think), despite that big 57 yard TD by Jones.

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by tricknole on Sep 5, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's looked good in games like this before (BYU 2009)

Only to completely fall of the shelf.

Today changed nothing for me in this regard. JT could look good against OU, CT against BYU, so forth and so on.

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by CornNole on Sep 4, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope it's the diet/diabetes thing that caused that and is now corrected.

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

my thoughts too

having an actual nutricianist (sp?) on staff I think will keep his diabetes in check.

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by SteadfastNole on Sep 4, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we all hope that.

But I’m an evidence guy. Show me. I don’t get excited when a guy breaks off a 57 yarder and a couple of other bigguns against a cupcake.

But that’s just me.

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by CornNole on Sep 4, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get excited.

Better than him NOT breaking those runs off.

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but you're not gonna throw a bitch fit

When he doesn’t consistently do it. Morons will.

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by CornNole on Sep 4, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean against ACC competition?

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

It goes beyond a couple runs.

Even without the 57 yarder he was chewing up 7 or 8 yards every time he touched the ball.

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by SoCalNole on Sep 4, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's still a couple of runs

IN ONE GAME.

Did he not do that against BYU last year? What did Ty do for the rest of the season? Nothing.

I need more evidence, sorry.

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by CornNole on Sep 4, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watch that 57-yard run again

that doesn’t happen vs OU. That scraping DLineman either makes the tackle for 2 yards or slows him down for the LB’s to get him.
Also all that weaving through traffic doesn’t happen because those superior players bring him down.

Still cool though!

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by DRusso97 on Sep 5, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had some good runs

In some of the games last year, and in the bowl Wisconsin bowl game, so it is not like we did not know he has the vision. He just has to prove he can stay consistent. The coaches see practice we don’t, so I trust them to put him in more if they feel he deserves it.

by nolestuff on Sep 5, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good points

You have to take what’s available, but that only underscores our lack of productivity from the new wideouts. They weren’t getting open against Samford!

by FSU PHD on Sep 4, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Or does it show that we’re not forcing balls. Samford wanted to sit with safeties deep the whole time.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 4, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

right

we hit our first option every time with ponder in.

by B-rod24 on Sep 4, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think of it like this

Samford played back the whole game to keep everything in front of them and wanted us to beat ourselves with penalties and TO’s which didn’t happen. If we need to take a shot deep we will but it wasn’t needed today.

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by Jamil Dawson on Sep 4, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still...

Why is it that Taiwan and Bert are the only one’s to get open underneath?

by FSU PHD on Sep 4, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

you design plays to get the guys that can catch the ball and make plays open...

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by NOLEcasterWX on Sep 4, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bert and Taiwan have more shiftiness and lateral quickness than Haulstead and Smith

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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 4, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

that’s why they are our best receivers. We need more productivyt out of the rest of them.

by FSU PHD on Sep 4, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they aren't open why throw to them?

The QBs were constantly finding the open WR why force it to a bigger WR?

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by Volstud on Sep 4, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Game, Set, Match :)

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by SoCalNole on Sep 4, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

They run different routes though

You are looking at the position on the depth chart and not where they play in the offense. Reed and Easterling line up in the slot more and run the under routes while Haulstead and Smith are out wide and running the deeper routes. Reed, Easterling and the backs were open so much because Samford decided to fall back and not get beat deep. It isn’t about the players, it is about the scheme.

by osceolafan2.0 on Sep 4, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

We were running Willie and Rodney deeper, they focused on covering deep, and Bert and Easty are experienced guys underneath

Thus they were open and we threw it to them? Hope that helps

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 4, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Be that as it may

our new guys got very few catches and thus their experience and confidence won’t be as high against Oklahoma as it could have been if they caught multiple passes. It still worries me.

by FSU PHD on Sep 4, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

So we should run them on the shallows to get them experience?

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 4, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Build their confidence. We’ll need them to be ready for Oklahoma.

by FSU PHD on Sep 4, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Experience at stuff they won't be doing v. OU

People need to stop focusing on OU. We can beat them if we get serious breaks, but this season is not about OU

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 4, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

at least OU is this week

not like we’re focusing on something 6 weeks away

by B-rod24 on Sep 4, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's our next game

Therefore, it should be our focus as of right now. Take it game by game.

by FSU PHD on Sep 4, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

So run them on routes they won't often run

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 4, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I'm saying

is that I’m still worried about our new receivers. They need receptions to build their confeidence levels, and they didn’t get them in this game.

by FSU PHD on Sep 4, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure what confidence will come from catching balls on routes they usually won't run

Bert and Tai caught 9 for 109. I’m encouraged we threw to the backs

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 4, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

What amazes me about Jimbo's offense..

is that it looks so different week to week.

Seems like the backs caught more passes this week than I can remember from a previous Jimbo game. And yet I wouldn’t be surprised if they only catch 1 or 2 next week.

He really adapts to whatever he’s facing.

by arrdub on Sep 4, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The beauty of it

Is that the opposing D has to account for everyone.

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by Jamil Dawson on Sep 4, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say a lot of that is Ponder and the line

Most quality offenses have 3+ legit options on every pass. Just most QBs freak before they get that far down the list or don’t have the time.

by osceolafan2.0 on Sep 4, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

 or he instantly checks down because of the defense he is facing. Can’t wait to see what happens with a full season to put together numbers.

by osceolafan2.0 on Sep 4, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree

the whole point of offense is to take what is given. you will lose and lose badly by forcing things. you can call plays to get WR’s open but none of these receivers should be the focus of our offense. Allowing CP7 to figure who to throw the ball to is the offense, whether it be Wr, RB, TE, FB whoever. And Bud is right. I would love to beat OU. BUt they are top 10 for a reason. While we may have a better offense, our defense could be too young. So yes you play to win, but our goal should be to be competitive and keep the game close. We should expect to win this type of game next year or the year after. Like Bud said, just try and survive this season.

by Mateo9399 on Sep 4, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

come on Bud

you act like we have an offensive playbook or something. just throw the young guys the ball and “let them make plays”. that’s what made our D so successful last yr

by sperrett1 on Sep 4, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be completely honest

At positions like WR you can build confidence through practice. Both route running and catching the ball are skills learned through repetition. They need to believe they can play before the whistle even blows. It isn’t like playing QB.

by osceolafan2.0 on Sep 4, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

They don't need to get their confidence up

They’re wr’s not qb’s. Wr’s always have big egos anyways. I’d rather keep them hungry for the OU game

by FSUPhi1584 on Sep 4, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

We didn't throw that much. The running backs caught some too...

For the amount of passes thrown, everybody got their share, except the TE’s.

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by goatnole76 on Sep 4, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Experience doesn't come from just catching passes

Willie and Rodney gained experience by running the routes, making blocks, reading the defense and making adjustments, etc. I’m sure they’ve had experience catching footballs since they were 8 years old in the backyard.

by TechNole on Sep 5, 2010 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

If they weren't getting open how did we have so many completions?

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what?

They’re like 18-19 year old kids still adjusting and learning the game. What is your issue? We had 4 returning WR catch passes and what, 4 RB catch passes. Seems like we mostly ran the ball once we put Manuel in.

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

But we did complete passes to the starters, right?

It would have been good to see the young guys get a few balls, but I’m not overly concerned yet. I like that we moved the ball.

by Invictus13 on Sep 4, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are confusing me.

Seems like you wished we had played dumb football (run specific routes and throw there regardless) so we could play good football. Football is situational, no? I remember Bowden defending Jeffrey by saying JB ran the same plays as the Patriots. WHAT? I use the same words as William Faulkner, so by BB’s reasoning I should be a competent, if not great, novelist. You are criticizing individual notes in a melody, seems like.

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by fmnole on Sep 4, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I wanted to see

was some of our new receivers making some catches. It didn’t happen for whatever reason (many reasons: see above) but that still leaves me disappointed and a bit worried about how they will handle a real game.

by FSU PHD on Sep 4, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you saying we will have to rely on them to win us a game at some point this year?

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know it

If all we’ve got is Bert and Taiwan, we are in trouble in the long run.

by FSU PHD on Sep 4, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smith, Haulstead, our RB's?

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think concern until worth is proven is valid.

We lost our leading WR and Fortson. I have no problem with wanting to see something special out of the newbies. But was the lack of production due to them and their inability, or to us taking what was easier yards? If the latter, I’m fine with us taking higher percentage shots (esp. when they’re working well).

by Invictus13 on Sep 4, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

there was no lack of production

other than 2 balls thrown downfield (one tipped -one ill advised). we did not punt. the young guys caught the balls thrown to them

by sperrett1 on Sep 4, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't mean the OFFENSE lacked production

I was talking about the young WRs PHD referred to, not the entire offense. The offense itself was highly efficient, but 4 receptions by the young WRs isn’t major “production” (though the accompanying 86 yards for a 21.5 avg. was nice).

My main point was that I understand why PHD would be concerned until the young guys made some major contributions in a game (i.e., lots of catches).

by Invictus13 on Sep 4, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

What game were you watching?

Easterling had at least 4 catches, Reed had at least 3, Haulstead had 2, Haggins and Smith at 1. That is 11, and I am too drunk to remember anything else. How in the F can your criticize what went on:

A QB that made the game look simple by going through his reads.
RB’s in the flat for big gains.
WR’s that did not drop passes.
Much more that I just don’t feel like messing with right now. Hammered. Ridiculous to nit-pick here.

by HROB3 on Sep 4, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Willy dropped one in the endzone 1st quarter

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by cflnole on Sep 4, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't call it a drop

It was just out of his reach, IMO

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by ricobert1 on Sep 4, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haulstead

Wasn’t he the only one who dropped CP7 pass in the endzone?

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by Doobobnole on Sep 5, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

The one where Ponder clearly overthrew him?

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by tricknole on Sep 5, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think that was meant to be....

OU has a good defense and we cant show both sides of the O

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by NOLEcasterWX on Sep 4, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you notice

How much more patient the receivers and backs were waiting on their blockers to give them more room?

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by gonolesrolltide on Sep 4, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were giving up the short stuff

Hence pryors big day. I think Oklahoma will do the opposite and make cp7 throw deep.

by Ponder This on Sep 4, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ummmmm.....

I remember them saying after the first few series that Ponder had already thrown to 7 receivers, he was definitely spreading the ball around.

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by NavyNole on Sep 4, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

They had to have been wrong though.

It was only 5 or 6. I looked at the box a few minutes later and there were only 6 listed. Couldn’t remember if any guy had gotten his first catch in the time inbetween.

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by tricknole on Sep 5, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

About what I expected

lots of good stuff and plenty to work on. Best part was getting all the backups in for some serious reps on the field. That will pay dividends in the future.

by 30yearnole on Sep 4, 2010 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Thoughts:

-I didn’t see Trickett, Tye, Sessions, Terrell, Onwukaife, or Christian Green. Not sure on Foose but I thought I saw him in. Outside of that, I think all of the true freshmen got some good playing time. That’s just awesome!!

New contributors: very impressed by McAllister, Hicks, McCloud, Werner on the DL. McCloud can run better than I thought. Joyner and Luc looked good. Christian Jones whiffed on two sacks he should’ve had looks the part but is still raw, to be expected. Haulstead really impressed with his blocking.

-Although he whiffed once, Reid’s tackling looks much better. Joyner loves to hit, that’s very clear. Chad Abram and Terrence Brooks looked GOOD in the end of the game, as did Telvin Smith.

-Hopkins looks a lot better confidence-wise. Drilled the PATs like there was nothing to it, consistently put KO’s into the endzone.

-VERY pleased with this game. That final goalline stand was a lot of fun to watch. Best of all, no serious injuries (Reid tweaked his ankle but looked fine after).

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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 4, 2010 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

dont think it was a tweak

looked more like cramps

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by NOLEcasterWX on Sep 4, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

on interview

said it was a cramp, so did Fisher.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 4, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great news

didn’t look serious at all afterwards, but they helped him off the field

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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 4, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's like 205

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 4, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

telvin made a few plays

As did some other 2nd teamers. We need a lot of defenders to learn how to keep their feet moving instead of diving.

by Ponder This on Sep 4, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didnt' Telvin make a bigtime stick in a gap at the end of the game?

Looked like the RB had a huge hole, then all of a sudden Telvin came in and STUCK the ball carrier

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by CornNole on Sep 4, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

I think Telvin is going to be my favorite player. He was all over the field.

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by pasadenanole22 on Sep 4, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trickett took the last snap didn't he?

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by gonolesrolltide on Sep 4, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Secord

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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 4, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The first half looked really good

But the defensive effort seemed to start lacking there from the end of the 2nd quarter on into the the 2nd half. It almost seemed like they weren’t interested in the game any more once the score once 35-0. Seen some bad angles taken and a lot of missed tackles in the 2nd half. However, most of the guys playing were young guys. On the up side, I loved how Mark Stoops went off on the defense at the end of the 2nd half when Samford started to make a drive (something that’s been missing for a couple seasons) and the defense at the end of the game, taking pride in keeping them out of the end zone. Loved the hit at the end of the game by Joyner (which got the defense fired up), which shouldn’t have been flagged. Overall, I see a lot better looking defense than what we had to deal with last year. However, it will really be put to the test next week in Norman.

Offense was great. EJ still has some work to do with his field vision. Made a couple throws into coverage he shouldn’t have tried. The offense should make it interesting next week.

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by gonolesrolltide on Sep 4, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I do not think Green dressed.

Could have sworn I saw him w/o pads. Same goes for Moody.

by marlins44 on Sep 4, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Green probably a RS candidate

Misses a lot with Spring

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 4, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

always thought that Shaw would get PT over Green this season, but Green’s ceiling is much higher

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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 4, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did Shaw get any snaps in?

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by SoCalNole on Sep 4, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any thoughts on him?

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by SoCalNole on Sep 4, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I only saw him gets snaps.

Didn’t get thrown to that I remember. No young guys made an impact on O. Smiley had a few plays but he’s a 3rd year college kid so I don’t count him as young. And that’s good that we don’t need them to contribute. Great even.

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Threw some good blocks

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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 5, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thought the D was thinking and not playing in the 2H

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 4, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure if you're serious

but Bright is not a BCS player

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by Zach_Nole on Sep 4, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bright did have a nice block on G5's return, I must admit

but i shiver at the thought of him playing meaningful snaps at safety

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by Zach_Nole on Sep 4, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a freshman

By the way, kind of serious. If the coaches put him out there, it must be for a reason, and it can’t be because of his physical gifts.

by FSU PHD on Sep 4, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you know?

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bright is terrible. He looked like a pee-wee player out there. AWFUL

by F-Dub on Sep 4, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got a tweet from a friend on the sideline

who said that Clint Trickett is noticeably bigger than Bright.

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by CornNole on Sep 4, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

He looked tiny, took bad angles, and did not appear able to tackle anything.

by F-Dub on Sep 4, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

So wat does that say about Demps

I dont recall even seeing him on special teams, and i remember seeing Bright a good bit

by nolesandniners on Sep 4, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm telling you

the coaches like him for some reason. He must be a friggin’ genius on D.

by FSU PHD on Sep 4, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their execution

dropped off in direct correlation with the fans bailing. It really looked like that. It was kinda like, “Well they are tired of the heat, so are we.”

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 4, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sarcasm?

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

No not at all.

Couple plays got sloppy. Guys in position to make good tackles and missing or Samford players busting arm tackles.. Have to watch replay and evaluate. But at the game it certainly looked like there was a big lull.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 4, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

At what point did the full 2nd team D go in? That would account for part of the less-successful 2nd half (though there weren’t a ton of big plays, so that was good; too many short things that worked, though).

by Invictus13 on Sep 4, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think some heavy substitutions by the late 3rd, Full 2nd team by early 4th.

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was a ton of young guys.

And they certainly redeemed themselves with that game ending goal line stand. The crowd, the ones that toughed out the heat, were cheering hard for them.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 4, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seemed like our second team is a freshman team

hicks
McCloud
McAllister
Joyner
Harris
Luc
Jones

all FR or 1st year players

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by harper.rb on Sep 4, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't really call those guys 2nd teamers when they get half of the snaps.

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

All the more impressive.

And dual reasoning to be optimistic and wary of what this defense will do over the course of the season.

by arrdub on Sep 4, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You need to play all those guys significant snaps throughout the course of any game.

They’re the first guys in to give starters a breather.

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I imagine

we’ll see a lot of more interesting offensive plays in Norman. We only had one reverse. Just played everything safe, and kept it all to the X’s and O’s.

by RoyalOaksNole on Sep 4, 2010 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I LOVED the misdirection pass play that Reed scored on

LOVE that play

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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 4, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was a great play but

not sure it will be nearly as effective against a real D. These guys looked like they were just waiting for him to run out of bounds.

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by SoCalNole on Sep 4, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

not that i really want to start this already

but brantley played the entire game for UF and only threw for 113 yds on 25 attempts

by B-rod24 on Sep 4, 2010 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

center was on bowling tour

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by Olbrannon on Sep 4, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

is miami (OH) any good?

nobody really put up any gaudy numbers for UF

by B-rod24 on Sep 4, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of it seemed like unforced errors by UF.

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by Jamil Dawson on Sep 4, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

understandable

Texas looks pretty bad too right now. makes me feel better about our game even more

by B-rod24 on Sep 4, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

That won't be long

Longhorns up 17-3 now. Their D has settled down.

by David Rohe on Sep 4, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by Jamil Dawson on Sep 4, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

8 fumbles only lost 3 of them

gators offense looked bad (212 total yards, 70 of which came on 1 play). But hey, they got #4 preseason ranking so they could lose like 4 games and still be ranked. Isn’t that grand.

by DoubleNickel on Sep 4, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Are shitty snaps considered fumbles?

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see how that can be considered Random.

I would think a QB has a much better chance to recover a bad snap, especially out of the shotgun.

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by CornNole on Sep 4, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok...

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

they were

1-11 last year. Not sure what that means for this year but you can be damn sure FL expected to beat them by significantly more than the actual margin of victory this year.

by StM on Sep 4, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gates will remind you

They were 13-1 or some BS 3yrs ago so…

by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Sep 4, 2010 10:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Miami(OH)

Not at all. Record last year 1-11. I live in Ocala and hear all about the Gators every year. Before the game no one was worried. During the game I was texting my friend at the UF game and he said fans were unimpressed. I understand its the first game without Teblow. But if UF have much superior athletes than Miami(OH) Shouldn’t they just be able to walk on the field and win handily? 8 fumbles is ridiculous. 26 yards going into the 4th quarter.

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by Doobobnole on Sep 5, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Spoke to some Gates who attend the Church of Tebow the Prophet this morning.

Their take on what happened is that UF played scared; terrified. And they said that fear stems from their coach, Urban Crier. They feel that whatever caused Urban to panic last Christmas is still with him and the terror within Urban has spread to his team like the plague. The fans are now afraid of USF and told me that they are not looking forward to facing Ponder at Doak. Wow.

by NoleLaw on Sep 5, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're blaming it on Meyer's act? Really?

Interesting.

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by tricknole on Sep 5, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh,

Think they fix their problems and smoke USF, and all will be right in the world of the gates. Still didn’t stop me from ripping on Pouncy to my gator friends. HAHA.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 5, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The biggest thing they harped on was that they thought their team was playing scared--terrified, actually.

I said scared of 1-11 Miami(OH)? They said “yeah, and it makes no sense. That kind of fear comes from the top down, and it all started with whatever the hell happened last year when Meyer panicked into retirement and came right back out. The team is scared—they’re playing scared—and it’s coming straight from Meyer. Even Meyer looked scared on the sidelines.”

Then they started mentioning about how Meyer better get their team back together by next week b/c they have to face USF and Skip Holtz.

by NoleLaw on Sep 5, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't buy this scared crap.

Not saying you’re wrong, just that whatever they’re telling you sounds like junk to me. They lost their all everything QB, their DC, their WR/RC and I feel like another coach or two. They lost a ton of guys on both offense and defense. They’re going to take some lumps and may lose 3 or 4 games. I definitely enjoyed how awful they looked but I doubt they look that bad again this year. I think a big part of their problem was not even being able to get a clean snap seemingly 50% of the plays I watched. If the brother kisser can’t get it up they’ll put a real man in who can. An easily correctable problem, I think. They were also without 2 normal starters on the OL apparently. Not sure if/when they’re coming back.

But if Meyer’s really giving off some scared aura and its infecting that program that’s awesome.

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by tricknole on Sep 5, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't buy the scared thing either

But if USF wins next week, I would buy that meyer will start feeling some extra pressure (self-induced). A gator friend of mine seems convinced that urban will “retire young” or kill himself with the way he works… a bad season could result in another retirement – or put a TON of pressure on the staff throughout the off-season and headed into next season.

But I’ll believe the o&b sky is falling when I see it result in Ls on the field.

by Invictus13 on Sep 5, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just (to me) sounds like they are trying to rationalize

the way the game went.

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by RishiM on Sep 5, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably a little late but

http://atdhe.net/23573/watch-north-texas-vs-clemson

clemson is not dominating at all… 5 mins to halftime and they’re only up 7-0. UNT (north texas) was 2-10 last year too.

by StM on Sep 4, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not too late!

I stopped looking - so thanks.

by arrdub on Sep 4, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clemson's O has been crazy up and down

1 play of 60 yards, another pass for 70 yards and then a good looking 3-4 play drive at the end of the half to score again. But besides that they’re O had 26 yards.

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by harper.rb on Sep 4, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

SO excited to see our boys put up a fight in Norman.

must… maintain… reason and composure…

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by NorthernHaze on Sep 4, 2010 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I think like 4-8 roughly over the last 4 years.

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by tricknole on Sep 5, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do not think we applied enough pressure on the QB during the first half. (For a team like Samford)

Werner and Jenkins looked very disruptive. I only remember hearing White’s named called once. For someone who saw the game on Tv how did he look?

by marlins44 on Sep 4, 2010 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

White made some tackles but wasn't getting very close to the QB

He hustles for sure but you can tell he’s still learning technique. At least he’s learning technique and not relying on athleticism anymore.

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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 4, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

white

is at best the 4th best DE on the team. simply not a football player.

by sperrett1 on Sep 4, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quite possibly Werner and Jenkins.

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another thing that makes this hard to compare

is SDE to WDE

Jenkins playing in White’s spot and he would probably get man handled

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by Volstud on Sep 4, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think someone said..

Karlos was there, Terry Bell as well.

by arrdub on Sep 4, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Karlos
Drew
Beverly
Terry Bell
Steward
Derrick Mitchell

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by harper.rb on Sep 4, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Future Noles.

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beverly?

Eric and Shaq or just one of them? I really want to land Shaq for 2012

by FSuni on Sep 5, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both

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by harper.rb on Sep 5, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

True.

I’m not that worried. Although I’m not a White fan I don’t think he sucks and we rotated at least 4 guys in at DE with our 1st string it seemed.

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

and...

Their QB is obviously tough, and played very well.

by David Rohe on Sep 4, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing that really p'd me off

was the lack of attendance. I have never, ever seen a home opener not sold out in 25 years!! Wonder when the bandwagoneers are gonna jump back on?

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by gonolesrolltide on Sep 4, 2010 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

All things considered it was pretty full.

I expected worse. The students filled up there section.

by marlins44 on Sep 4, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

When we start winning??

Why would they jump back on when we were 7-6 last year?

No fat chicks

by Volstud on Sep 4, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

not to mention

the only areas open were the cheapest season ticket areas and single game tickets on the top of the south endzone. Cant expect to have the cheap ticket people come to a “pre-season” game

by B-rod24 on Sep 4, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

some of this might be economic fallout as far as empty seats

Not exactly booming ya know

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by Olbrannon on Sep 4, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

What bugs me is the HUGE amount of people who leave so early...

Stadium looked empty after halftime

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by NoleThruandThru on Sep 4, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was over 100 degrees in the stadium

and a large amount of people were passing out from dehydration. cant blame some for leaving early when we’re up by 40

by B-rod24 on Sep 4, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

And its not hot in Gainesville?!?!?!!?!

Gators have a bigger stadium compared to Doak with less classier fans AND THEY FILL THE STADIUMS YEAR ROUND. Michigan went 5-7 last year and sold out every single game.

Noles have NO EXCUSES for not making out to those games. For noon games have a “Kegs and Eggs” special (breakfast served with drinks) or something. We have to do better with stadium attendance.

by CCDFSU07 on Sep 4, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have tons of excuses and we've covered it extensively

Don’t turn this thread into this. Don’t try to compare our fanbase or UF or Michigan.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 4, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you get the message I sent you about pictures? You're this close to being done.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 4, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its not a copyright violation if the image is freely left open to the public

And others have posted images on here as well. I understand you’re trying to CYA if someone tried to sue or go after TN, but your method of achieving that is unprofessional. I thought this was a site for FSU fans to come together…not be attacked.

by CCDFSU07 on Sep 4, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is my site. You pull that again and you can go anywhere else but here.

Not open to debate.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 4, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe that partaking in kegs & eggs is a reason that people would leave early. Drinking + Eggs + Excessive Heat = Fan’s leaving early

by Gulfport Nole on Sep 4, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if my experience was unique, but I know that a lot of people are late getting to the games because they are consuming as many last minute drinks as they can.

by Gulfport Nole on Sep 4, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

The bleachers make it pretty darn hot

Fsu should consider putting in legit seating in everywhere but the end zones. It would cut down on the number of seats, allowing us to fill the stadium. Once the recession is over they could expand the stadium to allow for additional seating.

by FSUPhi1584 on Sep 4, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

How would seats be any better?

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

That seems awfully expensive

And redundant.

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by CornNole on Sep 4, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I LOL@

Some guy walking in front of me was throwing up on his way down the ramp in section 1. he kept walking so i figure he didn’t even realize he was doing it.

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by goatnole76 on Sep 4, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree, green it :)

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by SoCalNole on Sep 4, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

well there are two ways to look at this

look at the tailgate as a way to get some good food and pregame at home or find a way to get FSU back on top so we can get the 800pm prime time slots again and get out of the damn heat

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by Desman on Sep 5, 2010 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even if we were national title favorites we were not going to get a night game.

Not vs an opponent like Samford.

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by tricknole on Sep 5, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Had to work...

so I couldn’t go, but if I was there with my kids and it’s that hot, I might leave to. Wouldn’t want to, but you can’t get on people if you weren’t there or know their individual situations.

by David Rohe on Sep 4, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're a liar.

We didn’t sell out last year vs Miami.

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn trick!

You’re throwing haymakers! LOL.

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by Jamil Dawson on Sep 4, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know if we sold out a single game the last 5 years and some [person] makes THAT remark?

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

When was the last time you saw the damn stadium that empty?

That crap started last year after they lost to USF. Tell me the last time you saw a season opener with that many seats not filled?? Bet you can’t.

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by gonolesrolltide on Sep 4, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're talking about in the 2nd half aren't you?

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you know not see the end zone seats during the 1st half?

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by gonolesrolltide on Sep 4, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looked like 75K or so to me.

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, in other words, 10-15K more than NC State and UMD last year...

To watch Samford…

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even NFL attendance is supposed to go down this season.

At last check, the economy in Florida is brutal and an FSU weekend is expensive. we’ll have to be very very attractive to attract dwindling discretionary dollars. IMO, if Bobby were still at the helm with CTC and company behind him this would have been a financial disaster for FSU. If we play great football the rest of the way (not win everything, play great football), they will come.

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by fmnole on Sep 4, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where did you read/hear they didn't sell out?

I’ve seen their attendance for today listed at over 90k, and the seating capacity is most often listed as about 88.5k (they always sit more than that, though; not sure what the real capacity is).

I’d love to be able to direct some of my gator acquaintances to a source the next time they say they ALWAYS sell out. :)

by Invictus13 on Sep 4, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were in danger of not selling out a week ago.

They have another game later in the year that hadn’t sold out yet.

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by tricknole on Sep 4, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

In general

Is that site as good at analyzing the strengths and weaknesses of uf as this one is at analyzing FSU? I wouldn’t mind reading what informed gators expect out of this year’s team.

by Invictus13 on Sep 4, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 4, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go to 247sports.

Lot of recruiting stuff, but some of the guys do a good job with some strategry stuff.

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by CornNole on Sep 4, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a friend who is a season ticket holder...

for the gates, and he said he had two tickets he was trying to sell and couldn’t at the game. He wasn’t trying to get alot of money either…just trying to sell two of his tix b/c his daughter and son in law couldn’t go.

by Kelleefsu on Sep 5, 2010 9:41 PM EDT