Florida State Prepares For Oklahoma (and other ACC Notes)
by Bud Elliott on Sep 7, 2010 8:45 AM EDT
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"This is one game," Fisher said, following Monday's practice. "It's a measuring stick to see where we're at. We'll prepare the same as we did last week and if have some success, we'll handle that. If we have some adversity we'll handle that." "Coach Fisher told us that they've only lost two (home) games the last 12 years, and they play really well at home," said FSU senior middle linebacker Kendall Smith. "It's a hostile environment for us, so we've got to go up there and play good football. ... We have to play a solid game and give it our very best. "We've got to go out there and be focused. It's not that we've got to prove to everybody that we're a good team. We've got to prove it to ourselves." The Seminoles seemed eager to get started in their preparation, earning praise from Fisher for their first day of practice preparation. "I loved it," Fisher said. "The enthusiasm was good. The attitude was good. We got a lot of work done on a Monday. We got game-prepared and a good jump on things. I was really pleased with the way they went about their business." "This is why you come to Florida State, for these type of games, going to play out of conference against a great program," junior receiver Bert Reed said. "It's a challenge, but it's an opportunity for us to see where we're at." Fair or not, many Florida State fans want to use the outcome to determine whether the Seminoles are back to play at the same elite level they had grown accustomed to a decade ago. "That is the question, and when you're playing a team like Oklahoma you get a chance to see if we're really `back' or not.," Reed added. "It is a measuring stick. We'll see where we're at." "People will say this was Samford, so we haven't shown anything yet because it wasn't a good test for everybody," said sophomore defensive tackle Everett Dawkins. "That is what they think so far, so (Oklahoma) is a good test for us to show us where we are at. We will worry about ourselves first, and then just show everybody what we've got." "Just because their game was close, we are not going to think they are any lesser opponent, because they are not," Dawkins added. "They are still Oklahoma - ranked in the top 10 - so we have to still look at them the way we did before." "We try to focus the same on everyone," Hudson said. "We try to get it going, but as a team we are really excited about this one. It's a big game. ... We just have to prepare this week; prepare and do the right things in practice and it will all work out for us."
Now for something on FSU's opponents
Postgame Impressions: Clemson 35 - North Texas 10 - Shakin The Southland
Shakin's breakdown of the North Texas- Clemson game. Your one-stop shop for all things Clemson and the best analysis on the net.
Boston College 38, Weber State 20: Reasons for Optimism or Cause for Concern? - BC Interruption
Boston College defeated the Weber State Wildcats 38-20 this weekend, but there are plenty of causes for concern with the Eagles performance.
The Good, Bad, and Ugly Report: LSU " Tar Heel Fan
Interesting report on the UNC game. Carolina is absolutely loaded with talent and almost beat LSU (Miles is an awful coach) without 9+ starters. If they get those guys back, watch out.
Maryland's Goal Line Stand Gives Terps Win Over Navy Midshipmen, 17-14 - Testudo Times
Maryland avoids embarrassing the ACC with its win over Navy. Nice report here.
Wake Destroys Presbyterian 53-13 in Season Opener - Blogger So Dear
A great report on the Wake Forest game (no chance you watched, right?)
ACC Football Power Rankings, Sept. 7 Articles
FSU ranked 2nd (up from 4th)
OU in Review: Utah State Gives Sooners a Gut Check
Opening games for the Sooners under Bob Stoops traditionally have been an adventure. Following Saturday night's game, OU is a measly 3-6-1 against the spread in the first game of the year. For every 60-point blowout, the Sooners have had a dogfight. In fact, if history is any indication, this game could have turned out much worse (see 2009 and 2005). Good look at the Oklahoma-USU game.
Virginia Tech has still never defeated a top-5 team away from its home stadium. The Hokies consistently have good teams and good talent, but they do not land elite recruiting classes and thus do not have elite players. Last night's ugly game showed why you don't want to open up the season with a meaningful game. It was sloppy and poorly played by both teams, but Boise with 20 returning starters was much better prepared than Tech was with 11. The ACC will look like a tremendous conference when teams like Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, and Clemson are seen as the number 3,4,5 teams behind elite/ very good Miami and FSU teams and not the 1,2,3. That should happen in 2011. The conference is likely to take it on the chin for this season.
I am not liking the line for this Oklahoma game. Despite many more bets on FSU than Oklahoma, Vegas is still begging betters to take FSU. That means the large wagers are on Oklahoma. Ditto Miami for the Ohio State game.
Oklahoma Sooners-Florida State Seminoles: The Vegas View
The handicapping trends signal a victory for the Oklahoma Sooners over the Florida State Seminoles this weekend.
The Sooners are definitely beatable and we'll have Sooners coverage for you tomorrow morning with a podcast and an interview. If there's anything you want to know about OU ask it in the comment section and I'll try to fit it in.
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My Gracious
How did Navy blow that game? They ran 82 plays. 82! Almost 500 yds offense, almost 40 minutes of possession. Just crazy. Players didn’t know that they actually have to get the ball ACROSS the goal line for it to count.
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I Can't Believe
Maryland won that game. Watching the post game interview with Friedgen I don’t think he could believe that they won. 3 fumbles inside the 10 yard line and running that last play to the left side when they couldn’t stop anything on the right side will do that for you. It was like watching one of those old UM / FSU games where we did everything but win……
It was quite silly.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 7, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Good for the ACC. Nice win and they might now make a bowl and we'll still beat them by 21+
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Agreed. It was a good win for the ACC.
A very unlikely, against all odds and stats, win for the ACC.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 7, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh completely agree.
They shouldn’t have been in that game. AT ALL.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 7, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I think it was more Navy giving the game to UM rather than UM winning it
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Reminded me of a couple of Eagles games
The red zone can be depressing sometimes.
2010 ~ The Year of the Spear
Can't wait for the breakdown.
I’m guessing (complete guess since I saw next to nothing of the game) is that they have better players but they aren’t into the swing of things yet as a unit. Probably be much better by the end of the year. Hopefully catching them early will be advantageous.
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kool-aid drinking homer alert!
Catching us early might also be advantageous. ;)
......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!
haha,
interesting bit there. Better for us to get their Oline early, better for OU to get our Dline early? Which side has the better advantage. Going with OU oline unfortunately.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 7, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Were they looking ahead to the game with us?
With all of the rumbling about us in the media, it is possible that the whole “Florida State’s Back!” talk is having an effect in Norman. I don’t know if that’s good or not.
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
probably not good.
This will most likely motivate them.
But hey,as long as we take care of business we’ll be fine.
OU, UF & UM are acceptable and expected ,provided no more injuries on the DL.
......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!
The thing that stuck out against Samford was how ..........
All units looked at worst competent.
OL, Qb=elite
WR, RB =good
TE =competent
D=competent (with a huge dose of potential )
Special Teams =elite
Seems like the only weak link is depth on DL.
JMHO. Any thoughts?
......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!
Been a long time since
an entire FSU team has looked that sound. I’ll give you that. Even against a poor opponent.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 7, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
FSU has always had a reputation as
1. A second half team and
2. A poor clock management team
We showed neither of those tendencies and got the game taken care of in the first half. And, with the exception of one early penalty for 12 men on the field, the large scale substitutions went smoothly. Those things definitely keep us from having that queasy feeling OU, UF and BC fans are feeling after their games. These games should be tune-ups, not shake downs.
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
Dont forget
D. Highly penalized team.
Funny how coaching, structure and attentiveness to detail counteract those things eh?
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We aren't the same FSU that built that reputation
Program’s under new management and it wasn’t the uniforms or tomahawks on the helmets that caused those problems. I’d say to expect this team to look anything like the teams of yore would be a mistake (save for the elite athletes at every position, which I think we’ll be back to in 2012).
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Yes, highly penalized too
I can’t really put into words how enjoyable Saturday’s game was. For so long, the Cardiac Kids routine was a regular feature of this football team. It seemed like we were flying by the seat of our pants, even at our best. I expected to see a lot of changes, but the difference was like having someone explain a Forth of July fireworks show to you and seeing one. It’s not that the whole team’s performance was a surprise, it was just different almost to the point of shocking. It makes last season (shudder) seem like many years ago.
Your point on elite athletes also helps to highlight the change. When we lost them, the old issues of slow start, clock management and heavy penalties became much more obvious.
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
Maybe we're now a 1st half team.
Should we have kept Bowden on board just in case we need him to coach the last 7 games of the season???
Bring back Korey Mangum — a true Nole!
With McCloud, McAllister, and Werner showing up like they did,
even some of DL depth concerns were mitigated. I think that only potentially becomes an issue with bumps and bruises over the course of the season… for next week, I am happy with our 2-deep.
It certainly helps that those guys
lived up to some of the hype that they were getting coming out of camp. Impressed with them, but the OU oline will be a completely different can o worms.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 7, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
And the secondary.
Looking forward to this breakdown.
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assault of thought on the unthinking."
- John Maynard Keynes
"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
- Jimbo Fisher
my take is
1) they took Utah State WAAYYYY for granted – it’s USU for God’s sake
2) I bet that woke their asses up big time and we’ll get the A+ effort this week
Agreed
We can still win, but it’s not close to a guarantee. I expect they’ll be very focused in practice this week.
could be either one
OU’s OL was really, really poor last year. Optimistic projections of OU’s season (like Phil Steele’s) were counting on a serious leap forward for that unit.
Sometimes that doesn’t happen.
Or both
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Random comment here
But for whoever does the twitter fir TN, I’m stealing “I feel the need! the need for Reid!” for a sign for the OU game.
by BenDNole on Sep 7, 2010 9:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Awesome
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vegas line
Last time I remember you not liking the line was against USF.
by maxi_judson on Sep 7, 2010 9:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
It actually reminds me of last year's FSU-UF line
Which is also scary…
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I don't remember
what were the circumstances with last year’s FSU-UF line?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Line came out at 24
Bets were 70% for FSU but the money (meaning the big guys) was on UF. Line moved to 25.5 or 26. Vegas was begging for FSU money.
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I have a question
Will we beat them by 14, or 21? Just kidding, I’m only knee deep in Kool-Aid. I’m really on your side and I don’t want to get banned. I’d gladly take a respectable loss with NO injuries, rather than one of the more possible alternatives.
by Born a Nole, die a Nole on Sep 7, 2010 9:59 AM EDT reply actions
Bud....
The Sooners are definitely beatable and we’ll have Sooners coverage for you tomorrow morning with a podcast and an interview.
This is a definite change coming from you. All based on this game? Coming into the season, Oklahoma had a lot of potential, but somewhat uproven, coming in at OL, DL, DB… and the result of that game seem to suggest the potential failed to prove itself.
Could not watch USU but it seemed like a shaky DL and defensive backfield allowed USU to pile up those yards. And then you have to think the OL struggled for Jones to have put up the very pedestrian numbers he had. My suspicion is that the heir apparents in those positions are NOT filling their predecessors’ roles. Have you heard any similar take on this? (And, yet, my impression from your hints about Vehas is that the people that know their stuff are still betting OU puts things together by Saturday?)
"definitely beatable" doesn't mean likely to be beaten
although you can’t avoid the obvious optimism there.
But was picking them by 14 last week.
That’s not consistent with “definitely beatable,” unless I have a different understanding of the terms.
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by The K-Man on Sep 7, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Butt Smelliot and Tomahawknation: Tight Sphinctered Anal-ysis of FSU Sports.
(K-Man, you may have lured me into signing my own death warrant with that one.)
by arrdub on Sep 7, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You guys are too much
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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arrdub is testing the limits of Bud's patience. ;-)
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Sep 8, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope he has a 3-strike rule.
And I think the first was kind of a Bert Reed offense, just skipping class or something. I think I had a brawl with a frat, and then punched my girlfriend while drunk because I was depressed about that last one.
I’ve got a bag packed for UNA, but I’m holding out hope that somehow he rolls the 2nd and 3rd into a “single” offense… ‘cause he doesn’t want to lose my production.
I said it because people had begun to think we had zero chance
We have a chance. It’s not a great chance, but it’s not like last year or 2008 v. UF.
One of the jones picks was on a tipped ball just like Ponders, but the OU people weren’t happy with his play.
(And, yet, my impression from your hints about Vehas is that the people that know their stuff are still betting OU puts things together by Saturday?)
Yes. Much like the FSU-UF game last year. Everyone thought 24 was too high and bet FSU but the pros were on UF and in fact UF could have covered 45 if it needed to.
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My hope...
would be that, early in the season, even Vegas can’t know the answers to all the question marks (for both teams) going into this game.
Versus two quite well-known commodities going into the last game of the season last year.
How could even “the pros” really know what to expect here? Even if they’re paying GAs on both teams to spill their guts about everything they’re seeing, it’s a huge sea of unknowns.
The pros tend to trust their pre-season evaluations until they have multiple games to change their mind
That’s where this is coming from.
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Interesting.
With our closed practices, how can they know what’s going on?
Does Oklahoma run all of their practices out in the open?
No OU's are mostly closed
Typically your average fan will overreact to the latest game.
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That makes sense.
From a macro standpoint, it is logical that any game that swings +/- 4 points due to a couple of “preseason” outcomes would be ripe for the picking, from their perspective.
So hopefully what we’re seeing is simply playing the numbers.
That makes sense.
If you thought 10 was a good line based on preseason evaluation and think that the general public is reading too much into our win and OU’s struggle, then you should be very happy to give 8.5.
FSU's and OU's defenses
How similar are FSU’s and OU’s defenses? If they are similar, isn’t OU’s offense going to be very familiar with the scheme and be adept at attacking it after seeing it so much? What differences or wrinkles to we have that could keep them off balance? This week, we will be tested by a powerful runner along with a great receiver from OU. I hope that our safeties and LBs bring their A games this week.
Similar but not identical
Yes, OU should be very familiar with our unpolished defense. I’m not sure on the wrinkles.
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Little brothers
rarely have any surprises for their big brothers.
Back in Tampa and loving it. Now, time to do something about the this gator problem.
I hope so.
One thing for me is I lived in Oklahoma for 15 years until this past May. I can tell you from living with the locals they don’t hold Kevin Wilson their OC in high regard. Many personally blame him for not beating Florida for the NC and I gotta say from experience that they have a point. Some of his play calling is questionable at times. In light of this Mark will be matching wits with Wilson and less so with his big brother.
Back in Tampa and loving it. Now, time to do something about this gator problem.
by Okinole on Sep 7, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great Runner and in the passing game
Murray was also their second leading receiver last year with 38 catches (41 if you count the bowl). His rushing totals were not that impressive against athletic defenses like Miami. Against Texas he had 5 rushes for negative yards and 8 catches for over a bill.
We are going to see him a lot, and probably the TE’s will be introduced as well to us. But I cant help to notice that the OU team must be in doubt after this game. Late last season Texas Tech beat OU 41-14 or something like that. I dont see any big wins from this team ( Stanford 31-27 maybe but Stanford was 8-5).
We shall see I guess and whoever wins this game will have a confidence boost. I am glad we are the underdog.
by LincolnHighNole on Sep 8, 2010 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
The Shakin' the Southland review...
reinforces my impression of Clemson’s FSU-like struggles… does not sound like a well-coached team. Struggled on both sides fo the ball. Some interesting points from the article and comments below.
- The stunting made the inside Tackles jump out of their usual lanes, and they didn’t get to the new lanes to stop anyone, they’d be caught completely flatfooted when the RB was running into a gap they weren’t expecting him to.
- We got the sacks and turnovers, but we gave up 460+ yards. 3rd down defense was no better than last year. Steele seemed to have his heart set on Cover 0, and that didn’t work. Man/man technique was AWFUL. We switched to more zone in the 2nd half and initially it was better, but if you play zone and don’t tackle it sucks.
- The playcalling irked me. I said earlier that we should come out and run the ball, because our strength is clearly up front and in the RB corps. We didn’t do that today. First play was shotgun. FAIL. We shouldve run the ball 35 times today. There shouldve been more play-action, but the passing game looked discombobulated. We hit alot of big plays but not long sustained drives, which was my biggest complaint last year too. We need to have execution and sustain it, not hit 3 or 4 bombs and play D.
[arrbub comment: This is what characterizes Clemson’s offense of the past several years. Gross inability to capitalize on their strengths.]
- Parker continued to balance some good play with some bonehead throws. The INT was just plain stupid. He hit some open guys, thankfully, and he also threw some bad balls. No improvement visible from last season.
– Apparently the offseason did nothing for our D in regards to stopping a zone read or draw. No matter how sh$%^y the team, just line up in shotgun with one back, hand it off and you will blow through our defense.
- 3rd down defense? The object is to STOP them on 3rd down.
Shucks
I smoked 2 packs of cigarettes back there waiting for this review.
by LincolnHighNole on Sep 8, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Completely agree with FSU circa 2000s style problems
At least we here at TN can now recognize when other teams are poorly coached at a position.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
As with FSU mid-2000s...
they can still wake up and slap just about anyone on a single-game basis. Just have to hope our matchup doesn’t bring that type of performance out of them. The odds, at this point, should favor us pretty heavily in that game.
We need to make a statement about OUR division in that game.
I know Steele is regarded as a good coach, but is this carryover from his Andrews-tutelage days?
Certainly seems that, like his mentor, he’s struggling with stopping zone-read/option plays
Thanks for the info re VT's record v top 10 teams
Many people interpret VTech’s loss as a sign that the ACC is sucks. But the ACC doesn’t suck; the ACC just doesn’t have an elite team. Put another way: ACC isn’t top-heavy like the SEC (which seems to be slipping as a conference now that UF seems to be slipping). VTech may be the best team in the ACC this year, and for the past 5 years, but they’re not an elite team and so won’t beat top 10 (read: elite) teams.
The only ACC programs that have a legit chance to be elite right now are FSU and Miami b/c they consistently draw elite recruit and starting in the next few years have a legit chance to beat top 10 teams. (IMO Clemson has a chance to become elite if they continue to recruit like they’re recruiting this year.)
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
they have been getting some elite guys recently
But their coaching hasn’t been up to snuff in lord knows how long. Someone made an analogy to them being just like us during the lost decade. Talent on both sides of the ball but no coaching. They are always up and down against teams they should beat and their offensive game planning is crap. They look like we did during our Jeffy days…just throw it up and hopefully they’ll hit 3 big plays a game.
yeah, I can't wait till FSU and Miami are once again the conference barometers.
I don’t like VT representing us that way.
Clemson may yet lose Speedy this year, and I doubt the pull Steward. I don’t think they’ll become elite anytime soon, their fast recruiting start this year notwithstanding.
How about Boise the last 8 years......?
7-7 against BCS teams.
84-4 against “others”
nice….
by vegasnole on Sep 8, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not a great report for BC either.
Sounds like their front 4 issues are a legitimate concern.
Brian: Speaking of the defense, my other cause for concern is actually with the defensive units, particularily the front four. The BC defense couldn’t seem to get off the field. Typically in a game like this against an FCS opponent, BC is used to scoring and scoring quickly and losing the time of possession battle. But there were stretches where the Eagles defense couldn’t get off the field, including a 7:42 drive by Weber State at the start of the first half.
That is the opposite of the brand of defense BC has thrown out there the past few years
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Not particularly scared by their front-4
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So you're telling me to bet the over
thanks, got it.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
I see the talk about the FSU-OU point spread
And on that note, are you going to continue to post your weekly picks, Bud?
by Mr. Tito Carlos on Sep 7, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions
If I get time, yes.
Might have to cut the feature.
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You can dictate it to a 1-900 number!
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
I have the BC game DVRed.
I plan on watching it the next couple of days.
Bud and I disagree on just how good BC is. I think they’re well coached, I think they get a lot out of what they have. I think Horton is the best OL coach in the country. But he’s with O’Brian at NC State now. So the good that he’s done for them in the past ought to be about used up.
All that said, I’m looking forward to watching the replay.
^^^This. Will look forward to hearing what comes out of your review.
I have been waiting to see when the drop-off occurs for their O after the coaching departures. Last season they showed some chinks… hopefully it deteriorates further this year.
Chinks or Kinks?
I believe the preferred term is asian’s, and I do not recall a sucessful asian coach (maybe Mr. Miaggi?)
by Ramblin' Man on Sep 7, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
chinks [in the armor]
chink noun \ˈchiŋk\
Definition of CHINK
1: a small cleft, slit, or fissure
2: a weak spot that may leave one vulnerable
Wasn't that the name of the Colonel on "Hogan's Heros"?
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
That's right. Now if it had been based in the South Pacific...
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
I think their OLine could step back in 2011
But this year they do seem loaded still, no?
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I still wanna watch the game and then decide
One thing about them offensively is, I don’t think that they should be terribly explosive. And we were so prone to give up the big play. I suspect we’ll see some of that on Saturday but I think the changes on the sidelines have already paid big dividends.
That said, I think that we should be much better suited for stopping BC this season than in the last couple of years.
This season is already shapiing up as being the most exciting one we’ve had in quite a while. It’s been a long time since I’ve enjoyed just sitting and watching us play more than on Saturday, so I’ll try not to let that cloud my thinking.
Best FSU team since 2005 for sure
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So how does 2011 look
@ UF
OU
Miami
@ Clemson
@ BC
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I like the home dates against OU and Miami
I’m not really afraid of playing BC at their place as I don’t think they have much in terms of a true home-field advantage. The Florida and Clemson games will be tough, no doubt.
by Pre on Sep 7, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say
35%
62.5%
62.5%
62.5%
72.5%
So 3-2 seems good.
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I don't know if I can wait until 2012 to beat UF.
We need to just play out of our minds and get the monkey off our back this year.
We have a better shot this year than next I think.
concerning UF. I know this year we have a young team, but so does UF and we have them at home. You can’t predict a win at the swamp with their talent level, even if they play ’iffy.
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I like all your numbers but the Miami game.
Unless they disappoint this year, next year we are close to even but we have them here.
57%
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I'd say UM depends on post-season departures.
If either of us have some unexpected jumps/stays that could make a difference.
Don't think so.
of course anything could happen, but Miami only has a few starting JR’s that could make the jump.
1. Spence; most likely to leave early, their best LB, but next year they wont need LBs because their DL is sick.
2. Benjamin not a starter but could go because of ST. I dont think he does
3. Harris, not likely. I think QBs are getting away from going early; not working out in the NFL
The rest for their talented JR’s are backups to Seniors so they prolly wont get the playing time to go early and actually many of their starters are Sophomores! so they’ll all be Juniors next year.
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Brandon Harris could go
He’s been very good since he’s been there and could be a 2nd round draft choice maybe a late first if he can leap frog a few other CB’s.
by westcoastnolefan on Sep 7, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
WRs Aldarious Johnson and Laron Byrd as well.
And their fans have real concerns about the LBs behind their starting unit. Don’t know if Spence’s size will allow him to jump early, but if he does, it will hurt.
I could see one of their DT’s having a monster season and jumping as well. Forston’s injury history might make him consider it.
I should have put B Harris on there.
I agree, I think he has a chance to go, prolly one of the better chances on the team.
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Harris is the most likely to go early (the corner)
By far their best junior prospect.
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I think we'll have a better than 35% shot at UF in the swamp next year. I'd go with 45%
I would agree with the other games.
I think UF will be the better team and the game is @ UF
45% is either underrating UF or their HFA
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See, this is my problem even with percentages - it's still speculation
How much do you give/take for HFA? How much better/worse is the other team? And, we’re still talking about a game that is nearly a year and a half away.
UF will be better next year than this year; Will be a tough game. gotta see what this new DC can do
OU will be better next year (than this year), but FSU will be one of the best in the country and @ home.
Clemson will not be good next year. They don’t have a QB and I wouldnt be surprised if Harper goes early, he’s NFL now; Finally we get a win there.
Miami will crest next year. They loose their best WR in Hankerson, but Byrd and Johnson will be back and both are extremely good. Their DL will be all JR and SR. Will Spence come back for a SR year? great game.
BC is BC, theyll play tough, they have a young D now, next year will be better for them but I see us rolling.
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bud or any body else
I watched the OK game and I know that I’m no where near as knowledgeable about football. I’m trying to learn as much about offense and defense as i can but the OK secondary look very weak to me and OK offense looked like if you keep the running back and there best receiver in check that the QB doesn’t know what to do. Am I wrong (are my eyes and the vary little knowledge i have)or is that the weakness of the offense and the defense?
Thanks for any comment and/or info
life long nole fan and college football junkie
Yes, their secondary...
is definitely the weakest of their D units. After watching lots of highlights, IMO their biggest problem on O comes when the D gets pressure on Landry—he CAN’T scramble.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
It seems like most of our pressure came from inside.
How do their interior linemen stack up to our youngins in the middle?
If I re-phrase what you said I think you’ll see the problem with it. “if you keep their all-american receiver and all-american candidate at RB in check the QB will struggle”
I think the secondary could be vulnerable but I’ll talk to Allen about that
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Week 1 debrief & FSU
After week 1 it appears that the conditions are ideal for FSU to have a 9+ win season and win the Atlantic:
- Oklahoma and UF have problems to fix,
- Clemson gave up 462 yards (269 passing, 193 rushing) against N. Texas,
- BC gave up 381 yards (271 passing) & had 3 turnovers to a D1-AA team.
Still, cautiously optimistic…
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
It's week 1, there's time for some of these programs to fix these mistakes by the time we play them
But cautiously optimistic is a good place to be at this point…
There is also time for our D to become competent
and for our O to be firing at all cylinders.
I am not expecting UF to have 13 mishandled snaps at Doak though.
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Irony?
I am ignoring week 1 in my assessment of UF.
You can’t tell anything from the way that game went down. If anything, their defense actually played better than you would hope after losing so much. Their offense receives an “incomplete” grade. Snapping errors will be corrected.
Week 1 passer ratings
- Landry Jones = 105
- John Brantley = 132
- Ponder = 265
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UF
UF D was better than I expected but that offense struggled mightily. Frankly, they weren’t all that great last year and now they don’t have Tebow to plow for 5 yards when a play breaks down. I’m not a fan of Rainey. He’s more of a track guy than a football player.
Had someone tell me Demps is one of the most dynamic players in America
guaranteed a 1,000 yard rushing season from him.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
If they run his a** enough
Dude is a player. Almost shocked at how much better he is a back than Rainey
by westcoastnolefan on Sep 7, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
sucker is quick
any sign of daylight and he’s a hr threat
by StM on Sep 7, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
UF was #6 in yards per game last year
Playing against 5 of the top 30 defenses
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by The Ryno and I Know on Sep 7, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
arrdub
How can you say “You can’t tell anything from the way that game went down.” Then go on to say their “their defense actually played better than you would hope after losing so much.”
If you are going to ignore week 1 you have to ignore everything, even the way their defense played.
Can't tell anything about their offense.
13 bad snaps just throws their performance completely out, IMHO. If Miami(OH) had 13 bad snaps I would feel the same way in making assessments about UF’s defense.
Agreed. It ought to be the easiest thing in the world to fix the snaps
Here’s hoping they can’t, though!
Week 1
I remember a few years back when Carolina beat the Vikings in week 1 and there was hope amongst Panther fans of another trip to the NFC Champ game. Then they lost the next 15 games….
Its ONE week. A good sign, yes. But you can’t say you’re the greatest basketball player on the planet bc you’re one-for-one on half court shots and your four other buddies missed all five attempts.
Given that UF closed their practices before the season (that was the death knell of FSU D last year), I will at least be interested to see where they are by week 6. No concern yet tho.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Sep 7, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
"This is why you come to Florida State, for these type of games, going to play out of conference against a great program," junior receiver Bert Reed said.
OOPS – I fixed it to what he meant to say
“This is why you come to Florida State, going to play out of conference against a great program like the little sisters of sacred heart,” junior receiver Bert Reed said.
Seriously..lets start winning again and then we can complain about the OOC games
muckity muck muck I LOVE GREAT OOC GAMES
muckity muck muck I’d rather be playing Top 10 teams in January than September
muckity muck muck you are soulless
muckity muck muck you are brainless
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by ricobert1 on Sep 7, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Remember When....
we were Boise State and had that any time any where mentality cause no one wanted to give us a return date? That sentiment dies hard…….I know it’s better to play one serious OOC game a year(UF) and schedule 3 cupcakes…….I just always liked being able to say at least we played somebody to my friends from the little school down the road. Since the BCS and pollsters don’t really distinguish between OU and 3 Sisters U we have to play the BCS tap dance game.
Boise St doesn't have the play anyone anywhere attitude.
They play one tough game a year. it’s nonsense. We took games with no return for a while.
The Funk Phenomenon.
Boise won't play anyone anywhere at all
They were offered a 2-for-1 with Nebraska and declined
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My Understanding
is that Boise State hasn’t responded to the offer as of yet. And Nebraska hasn’t responded to the open date in September 2011 because they already have Fresno St, Washington & Wyoming scheduled. And the 2 for 1 deal is for 2015. Point being why would you accept a deal like that, 5 years down the road when you might be able to get a home & home deal with another school.
Then they don't have the road warrior mentality we did.
Christian Ponder: Your favorite quarterback's favorite quarterback.
Boise no Fresno, and then they whine and complain:
I am biased because my company is headquartered in Boise, and I have to hear garbage every day (yesterday really sucked), but they do not have the same mentality as either FSU. And, like Herd keeps saying: 7-7 against BCS schools last 8 years, 84-4 against “others”
Fresno 2011
9-10 @ Nebraska
10-1 Mississippi
10-8 @ Colorado
actually they declined a home-home-neutral site offer with Neb as well.
Accdg. to Cowherd when he was discussing it this morning
Hell, in the early years of the BCS
SOS was a large component (and they had that bonus system for beating highly ranked teams). I actually think the more they’ve shrunk the computer component, the more screwed up the system has gotten.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
are u saying that bert is complaining?
I think he is just bigging up the program for challenging the big boys. People say that all the time. “This is why you go to______, to play the best”.
Of course I am biased, but I feel like officiating always, if not down the middle
slightly leans away from the ACC teams when they play big OOC games. I am not taking away the fact VT made mistakes and Boise played well last night, but there were some ticky tack calls against VT but the refs could have called Boise for that block in the back on the punt return at the end, and even called pass interference on the last play, as well as they called VT early for a facemask (VT player’s hand slid on the helmet, not even touching the facemask, but the announcers played it off like the whole helmet was the face mask) and called a late hit out of bounds that was questionable.
The last punt return/drive was attrocious.
Someone guessed 40 yards of field position between the no call clip + personal foul… that might have been an underestimate.
by arrdub on Sep 7, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nowhere near as bad as
the Dwyer (FL) and Glennville (OH) game yesterday. Those refs were clearly not going to allow Dwyer to win that game.
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by gonolesrolltide on Sep 7, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
That was an awful call
These refs need to stop the wussification of the game.
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VT could have made it meaningless by running, not throwing on third down.
The most boneheaded decision I have seen in a while.
Yes. But with 2 minutes on the clock, the middle of the field was still in play.
With under a minute to play, the center of the field would not have been in play because Boise could not stop the clock. They may still have scored, but I like VT’s chances of stopping them a lot better with under a minute to play than with 2 minutes to play.
Yes and someone else on another board
pointed out that VT was not letting the play clock run down below 10 seconds leading up to that third down.
What about Boise DB throwing down VT WR on 3rd down (nevermind, the announcers said he's allowed to since he turned his head for a split second).
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by SoCalNole on Sep 7, 2010 12:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I am cautiously optimistic about this game.
I think we have a decent chance, but I am not getting overly excited about it. OU will be a very tough test for our new look D, and hopefully Stoops will have our boys as prepared as possible.
I think this weeks game at OU will go one of two ways
It will either be a defsensive struggle or it’s going to be a shootout. I’m almost willing to bet it’ll be closer to a shootout. I watched some of the OU game last week and their secondary and D-line looked pretty bad, nothing like a Stoops type defense from OU. Two people FSU has got to contan on OUs offense is Murray and Broyles. The way they can contain Broyles is constant pressure on Landry. Murray on the other hand is a different story. The dude can flat out play ball. Whether he’s running the ball or going out for a pass, somebody is going to have to keep an eye out for this dude every time OU gets the ball. My gut wants to tell me FSU will win this game, however we all know OU at home is a monster. Only thing I ask from OU, PLEASE PUNT THE BALL TO GREG REID!!! I promise it won’t be as bad as you think!! (YEAH RIGHT!!!)
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by gonolesrolltide on Sep 7, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions
OU is the only team I picked to beat FSU
That is not a given though. FSU now #9 in Scout poll
These are the facts on the ground.
All I know is FSU is fourth in the nation in scoring offense,
Christian Ponder is second in the nation with a quarterback rating of 298.2,
3rd in interceptions with one and that was tipped
- tied with auburn in sacks
FSU has not given up a touchdown
Sporting the #6 quarterback on the Heisman watch list, Ponder
McMahon and Hudson on the Outland watch list.
How teams perform in the opener is a factor. When you don’t come ready to play in the opener it means you were not prepared. It suggests you may not be prepared the next week either. OU is not extremely confident either I don’t think. They know they have one good back who is a real weapon. They ran him hard last week. Stop him and things change. Make Landry throw to beat you. They have one elite receiver from what I see and they haven’t shown an elite passing attack. I like FSU’s chances even though it is in Norman.
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We murdered two FCS opponenets in 2008
Then lost 12-0 to Wake the next game. Let’s wait and see
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by The Ryno and I Know on Sep 7, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Touche
How could I forget
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by The Ryno and I Know on Sep 7, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
let's erase that with the
30-0 from the year before please!
by StM on Sep 7, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
But this is not 2008
Chuck, Jody, Dexter and the crew are gone.
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Agreed
But I don’t think we should get too high after one game – nor too low after one bad game.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Sep 7, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Just for icing on the cake
Matt Hinton also had this to say re: OU:
“Reorientation: Get used to the smell of burnt Sooner in the morning” (ed: I kinda like that phrase)
“This may be harder than we thought. Oklahoma had problems all over the field against Utah State – quarterback Landry Jones completed fewer than half his passes, threw two picks and was sacked three times – but with running back DeMarco Murray lifting the offense on an heroic 35-carry effort, the red-siren concern coming out of the Sooners’ 31-24 escape is clearly the secondary. Aggie quarterback Diondre Borel lit up a pair of fledgling OU corners for 341 yards, including seven completions covering at least 25 yards, with a pair of long touchdown passes before the upset flame finally burned out in the fourth quarter.
Put it this way: When the starting secondary combines for 20 tackles on the night, and a top backup comes on to add 10 more, that is not a good night. Two of the victims, sophomore Demontre Hurst and true freshman Tony Jefferson, were starting for the first time. But the veterans – upperclassmen Quinton Carter, Jonathan Nelson and Jarrell Fleming – didn’t do much to make Saturday’s visit from Florida State anything less than terrifying."
I read that and immediately wanted to rebuke the Kool-Aid Tempter a third time.
Keep the ball on O, get Nick Moody and others out there making tackles.
No turnovers (or win TO battle), fewer than 6 penalties, win special teams. Then we’re talking
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by The Ryno and I Know on Sep 7, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Really hoping that Moody can see some meaningful time
Because I thought Jenije stuck out, and not in a good way.
with them relying on Murray so much...
I really hope Moody is game fit. Jenije may be better for 3rd and long situations. Moody could be a beast in run support.
Anybody ELSE think Moody is a *much* better fit at LB in the fast Nickle the Harley??
Oderint Dum Metuant
Probably
but he’s just trying to get on the field
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Once healthy.....I like that package.
Assuming a 228+lb Moody can shed blocks. The delay draw worries me.
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Ponder can't have a Clemson 2009-esque game.
We can’t press. Even giving 1 INT will be a tough situation. With 2+ we probably have no shot.
Ponder had a fractured rib in 2009 Clemson game
Ever try to throw a football with a fractured rib? Me neither but I heard it hurts like hell, and I can remember at least 2 of his INTs that game being balls that just floated up there too long and had no zip on them. I don’t think he has a problem when he is fully healthy. Not fumbling the ball and keeping control of the clock with our running game is the key to me.
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Irony?
by BS37FSU on Sep 7, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Everyone is too quick to forget that he played that game pretty much in full traction
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Who's to say he doesn't crack some more ribs in the 1st quarter of OU game?
He’s cracked his ribs inside of 2 weeks the last two seasons… so based on precedent -
woah
I know we’re all about logic and technical breakdowns of gameplay and process process process…but…no need to go and anger the football gods against CP7.
We know Ponder has had some big games, Landry never has
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Hey, I'm the king of championing Landry's shortcomings.
No standout performances vs. top 50 FEI defenses.
And Ponder has DEFINITELY come up big in big games.
But he has also had a couple games where he has gone for a little too much and gotten into trouble. Hoping he has grown entirely out of that, this year. Certainly made a big leap between year 1 and year 2.
That really only happened on 1 throw against Miami and the Clemson game
which has been beaten to death. Honestly, I trust a healthy Ponder to make the correct read/decision 99% of the time.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
If he was already hurt
then that just makes his tackle after that last interception look even more unwise.
There is no "if"
Ponder started the game with a fractured rib suffered the week before. you could tell all game that his passes didn’t have the normal zip behind them. That tackle was certainly an awful decision made in the heat of battle.
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Irony?
2 weeks before vs UNC
he came into NC St. w bruised ribs and got smashed around all game.
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A note on Shakin the Southland article. . ..
Sorry Bud, as I know you guys have some sort of history and mutual respect for each other, but whether he’s a great analyst or not, the author on that site really destroys his own credibility by inserting so much profanity into his stuff. It’s amateur hour when you can’t choose non-vulgar adjectives in an article and downright offensive.
Please let him know that excellent analysis does not use the f-word or the name of our Savior in vain with such arrogant abandon. Thanks.
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He's a coach. They talk like that when breaking down film.
I’m sorry if you don’t like it and I can certainly understand the drawbacks there, but everyone is free to write what they want.
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Understood.
No question he can write what he wants and he has. My point is, why alienate those in your audience who expect an articulate and respectful tone to go along with what purports to be an articulate and substantive source of analysis? It’s the difference between a legitimate journalistic product and a personal and vitriolic soapbox.
You don’t need to be sorry; you have nothing to do wit it. It’s just a point I’m making here because I respect the work and attention you all put into your product, and figured a suggestion from you might carry weight and improve his own. Truthfully, I don’t give two cents about Clemson even though I grew up a half hour away, and I don’t care whether he hears my opinion or not. Just figured that since he’s always citing you Bud as a compatriot and you both cast your lot with each other, you might find the opportunity for mutually beneficial constructive comments.
That’s it.
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by BigSpear on Sep 7, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Spear, you should just email him with your opinion.
He’ll either listen or he won’t, and you can “vote with your feet” with respect to how he responds.
Yeah I don't watch
Hard Knocks because grown ups cuss at each other…
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 7, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
granted
The Jets HC could use a more extensive vernacular. I think he used profanity as nouns, verbs, adjectives, conjunctions, jargons, etc.
by freshcollegeboy on Sep 7, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I was being a jerk.
I love Hard Knocks.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Sep 7, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
If it were about any team other than the f*cking Jest, I would f*ckin watch it. I ain't f*ckin sh*tting you. I just hate the f*ckin Jest so much, I won't spend a f*cking minute watching anything about those f*cking sh*theads.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
HAHA.
I really don’t pay a ton of attention to NFL. My team is the Bucs…soooo REALLY didn’t pay attention too much last year. Would watch their games until it was clear they were going to get destroyed. Even if I did hate the Jets, think I would still watch just because it is such a cool glimpse into an otherwise unknown world. From your comment I think it is clear you have at least taken a peak. Or have gone to at least one Jets team meeting…
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Wait......which "savior"??
’Cause I pray to Joe Pesci.
He’s got a better record (.500). That other guy is 0-0 over the last 2,000 years….
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Pretty much everything I said about OU was manifested last Sat...
-Their RBs, DEs and WRs are VERY GOOD. DeMarco Murray through sheer talent alone helped OU win this game. However unlike USU, our LBs can run with Murray.
-I was surprised by the simply average safety play, expecting better.
-Their OLine is not very good.
-Their DTs aren’t very sound even though talented, and they lack depth.
-Their CBs need a lot of work.
-Jones #s are inflated by bad defensive play in the Big 12 and having his WRs bail him out time and again.
Feeling real good about this weekend…
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They ran for 200+ Have to be at least decent on the oline...
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Did you watch it?
Their line looked horrible. Murray was channeling his inner Barry Sanders…
Football is played with an oblong ball. Take your roundball and GTFO...
I heard they run blocked well and had some issues pass blocking.
Hope they look shaky Saturday
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he had 63 yds on one run...which probably means nothing as most backs who gain that many yards have 1 or 2 great runs.
That means he averaged 4.3 yds on 34 carries, which is still decent and doesnt indicate the run blocking was awful.
Some more info...
[from a previous comment of mine]
Here are his yards on each successive carry:
5 2 1 1 6 1 2 5 1 3 7 5 -5 3 8 12 2 1 63 2 4 1 -1 2 0 6 5 15 3 -1 0 1 6 6 7
Throw out the 63, and you get an interesting story: The most frequent rushing gain was for 1 yard (7 times).
I’d like to mention here that Utah State was 114th in DFEI rank in 2009.
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by ricobert1 on Sep 7, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Excellent info.
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Here's FSU's running numbers for comparison
(only running backs)
20 total rushes:
4,7,1,6,2,3,5,4,57,8,8,7,2,9,6,6,10,8,3,4
Removing the long run:
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by ricobert1 on Sep 7, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
would be interesting to see
1st down carries to see how many times FSU backs put the team in 2nd and long and how many times Murray put OU in 2nd and long.
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smaller sample size (19 vs. OU's 34 for Murray), but...
A) No negative yardage runs
B) Median rush ~ 6 YPC (OUs ~ 3 YPC)
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I noticed the "no negatives" also
That’s pretty cool. Keep it up, OL and RBs!
He had rished for 39 and 63 yards.
Take those 2 outliers out and his average was 3.21. He also had 4 runs or 11.4% for negative yardage or no gain.
Football is played with an oblong ball. Take your roundball and GTFO...
Some of the OU fans themselves say they are in trouble without that running back however
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Well, one small step forward for the ACC this past weekend
Unfortunately, we lost our two most high-profile games, but they were both as tight as could be, and both ACC teams were expected to lose. However, a couple plays go differently and the ACC would have made a nice little statement opening week.
However, niether UNC nor VT were embarrassed, and the ACC made it through the first weekend without any embarrassing losses. In past years, MD loses that Navy game for sure, and Duke loses to Elon.
In fact, the way Clemson and BC both struggled, and still won comfortably is a good sign.
The conference has just seems to take such bad losses at the beginning of every season that really sets everything back.
So I guess it’s a slight positive that the conference didn’t start the season with a huge step back as they usually do. They actually have a chance this weekend to take a step forward. Not sure if I’m ready to believe that’s going to happen, but I’ll be happy if the ACC can avoid being a talking point for all it’s “bad losses” this season.
2011 will be the ACC's year to return to respect
Gotta have teams with elite potential play like elites
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Any ideas what is going to go down w Davis @ UNC?
think he can weather the storm?
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I'm still giving props to UNC
that was a moral win
by StM on Sep 7, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Though I wonder if he'll pull a Pete Carroll...
And pick up the first decent job to come along, not NFL, but something lateral in CFB; though I suppose he might not be as hot a commodity with the mess hanging over UNC right now.
What was the ACC? 10-2?
That’s not bad, esp. with the two losses being so close (granted, most of the opponents were lower-tier programs, but hey, we haven’t always been able to count on Duke or UVA pulling those games out).
10-2
just like the SEC on opening weekend. And the ACC DIDN’T lose to an FCS team. Not this year anyway. Hehe.
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I actually liked Duke's win on Saturday.....
Duke is a lower third D1 and Elon was ranked #1 in FCS. Good for them.
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My bad they were ranked 7 in FCS poll. Nonetheless good showing by Duke
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Cutcliffe will turn them around.
I’m glad we didn;t play them last year.
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Absolutely a good win for Duke
and to win it handily like that. That’s why I mentioned it specifically. That game has “embarrassing loss” written all over it going into this weekend, as did the Navy-MD game. Although it shouldn’t have been seen as embarrassing for MD to lose that game at all, it would have been.
I was pleased to see (at least) one coverage sack
That is, a sack that occurs from your front 4 because pass coverage was adequate long enough to spring a DL free. Our DL read the play – meaning they didn’t shoot straight up field immediately to the QB – and was eventually able to get free for the sack. That is good football.
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I hope to see
sacks that AREN’T a result of “everyone is covered, QB waits, QB gets lit.” Those are nice because it mean the secondary is doing a good job. However I want to see, ball snapped, 2 out of 3 step drop, “OMG what are these guys doing in my face, I’m gonna die.” I think Jenkins has a chance to have some of those this year.
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by onebarrelrum on Sep 7, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd for
"OMG what are these guys doing in my face, I’m gonna die." Though perhaps phrasing it "OMG what are these guys doing in my face, I’m gonna di-ooomph" wouldv’e been more funny. Still, it made me laugh.
OU beat reporter:
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Bob Stoops today: Sooners held back lots last week against Utah State, won’t this week against Florida State.
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As in they got up 21-0 and shut it down probably
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i guess i can believe if they got up to 21-0 real quick BUT
the second half it was evident that USU was not going away and for Stoops to say he wasn’t worried and just coasted is BS IMHO.
I think this is what everyone is misplacing....
OU got up 21, started playing 2nd & 3rd string, score got too close, reinsert 1st team, win. I don’t think there is any reason for their fans to get all chicken little.
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Yes....started rotating in at beginning of 3rd......
as soon as USU started gaining traction they put in the 1’s about 5 minutes left into the third.
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OU was only up 21-17 with 10 mins left in the third.
so I’m not sure they would be rotating that early.
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So, then maybe they don't have as much quality depth as we originally thought...
OU: elite 1st team talent, below average 2nd team talent?
I think they like their young guys a lot.
I’ll ask tonight
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Other way around. Their rFr and true So are the talented ones...
IMO, this game will be easier for us than next years…
Football is played with an oblong ball. Take your roundball and GTFO...
Wow! No way.
This defense will be really good next year.
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I thought we already considered their defense elite
Will next year be super elite?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
While it could be true,
I doubt Stoops would say, “Unfortunately, because USU was kicking our ass, we opened the entire playbook up just to get the W. Hope FSU wasn’t watching.” I would imagine that most programs incrementally expand the scope of the playbook throughout the season. Playcalling aside, successes or failures as it relates to fundamentals and execution of what limited plays they had available is probably more telling.
"Opening Playbook"
= throw to Murray at least 7 times. He had no receptions in the game and 35 rushes. Last year he was the 2nd leading receiver, and in their big games he was thrown to at least 4 to 8 times a game.
by LincolnHighNole on Sep 8, 2010 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont think that is just rhetoric
I believe that wholeheartedly. Similar to the fact that we benched our starters for the second half. Im worried about this game still.
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I don't seem to think we showed much of our hand either...
I mean heck, the starters were out by the second half for the most part.
The starting O-line started the second half
And Bert and Taiwan were both out there for the first series with EJ.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
True
but we only did that to get EJ snaps with the 1st team, not because they were needed. It was practice.
What is Bob holding back? Running with Murray? Throwing to Broyles?
Was Landry purposefully throwing “wild pitches” to his receivers?
We just need to contain the edge and keep Murray from breaking one off. I feel good about our corners covering Broyles. He’ll make some plays, but I am not expecting 70-80 yd pass plays.
throwing to Murray
and running with Broyles. Also the TE’s did not see too much action , and I expect this to change.
BTW. Broyles had 1 rush last year.
by LincolnHighNole on Sep 8, 2010 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Next year never works
We are playing for all the marbles right now, you can’t sit around and wait til next year.
Nobody is sitting around and waiting. This team is growing and learning
We’re not playing for all the marbles right now
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I see his point. With a little luck, I think our chances at competing for a NC are better this year than next.
ACC is down this year, will be better next. UF will likely be down this year, better next year.
ACC might be better next year, but we don't play UNC VT or GT
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Clemson- worse
BC- worse
NC State- depends
Wake- better
Maryland- worse
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We still look somewhat weak up the middle
I’m scared of OU milking that and then killing us with play action
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I think a lot of the that perception of the middle...
is somewhat misplaced. You can see the improvement in technique. Hands, leverage and tackling from the line was much better. It seems they were more excited about hitting someone other than their teammates and got themselves out of position. Additionally, by the third series we had already started making subs in with true freshmen taking their 1st collegiate snaps. I liked what i saw and expect an even bigger jump in performance from week 1 to week 2.
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Keep in mind the OL they were up against
I love the technique as well, but we still don’t have a true NG.
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Yeah I know Samford is suspect.......
but I think we will all be pleased with FSU D line by game 6
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McCloud – 6 tackles
McDaniel – 4 tackles, 2 TFL
Dawkins – 4 tackles
McAllister – 2 tackles
Cummings – 2 tackles
Erving – 1 tackle
I don’t have the stats on last year’s production, but I’d have to say that 25% of total team tackles (77) coming from the DT position (19 tackles) just didn’t happen last year.
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not to mention 3 of 4 players involved in sacks were DL
Jones being the only non DL involved in a sack
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Dont get me wrong, I'm very happy about the players we have and progression they are making
Just concerned about Oklahoma running up the gut.
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I wouldn't worry up the gut......
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but it seems OU runs more off-tackle. I also have never seen OU run a zone read, which with our youth I would be more concerned about. Murrays 39yd run was one of the few that went up the middle but it was a cutback.
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Interesting
Looking for FSU advantages it is worth noting:
Beyond a 301 lb starting DT, the Sooners front seven is not all that large. Bigger than FSU’s last year, but not huge.
Similarly in the secondary. FSU’s WRs as a group have a size advantage over the Oklahoma secondary.
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