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Seminole Film Review: Florida State Offense v. Samford

Here is the film analysis of the Florida State Seminole offense against Samford.  No clips today as we'll quickly move to talking about Oklahoma and are working on something for BYU in week three.  Samford's defense was very conservative and the biggest challenge for FSU was to be patient.  FSU repeatedly wanted to go deep, but Samford's safeties were both very deep and Fisher won't ask his guys to force balls and develop bad habits.

Quarterbacks

Christian Ponder opened 2-2 with a comeback to Easterling and a beautiful corner route to Haulstead on a Smash for 20 or so.  He still doesn't slide well at all and that has to be corrected.  I know they work on that, but he must decide to do it in the game.  It could be worth millions.  The interception wasn't bad and Bert Reed was wide open.  The defender just made a nice play to tip it at the line.  Samford played two-high shell a lot in this game and the game represented a challenge to FSU to stay disciplined and hit the open man (not forcing stuff).  Ponder could have thrown the TD pass to Pryor instantly but there's also the benefit to making the defender commit.  Ponder really throws a great ball in the flats.  The one to Thompson was a thing of beauty.  The throw in the back of the end zone to Easterling was excellent.

EJ Manuel's arm strength has clearly improved, as has his motion.  The surgery to clear out his shoulder seems to have worked.  His bubble to Reed was acceptable and I have to remind myself that Manuel is not going to throw with the same touch as Ponder (at least not this season).  His slide-step to avoid pressure (Spurlock) was excellent and he made a strong off-balance throw to Easterling for 10 yards.  That's impressive.  Also impressed with Manuel's play-action fake and he quickly got his head around to hit Easterling, though the throw was not as impressive as the first one to Easterling.  His interception was absolutely awful and Fisher rightfully chewed him out for doing so.  The protection was perfect and there were other men open on the play.  Nice ball to Haulstead on the sideline and Haulstead made a great catch to stay inbounds.

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Offensive Line

Florida State's offensive line is excellent.  Zebrie Sanders looked very good and actually won the co-ACC lineman of the week.  Sanders looks bigger and quicker than he did last season and he might even be a strength for FSU this year.  No more of that pulling the tackle because he can't cut the backside nonsense.  There was a first, however, as Rodney Hudson (All-America guard) got pancaked by a stunting defensive end (this happened on Ponder's big scramble).  Spurlock got into the defender's chest on the interception so I can't fault him too much for allowing the guy to get his hands up.  He did, however, mess up a protection and that can't happen against OU.  Not checking blitz responsibility will get Ponder killed against Oklahoma.  And he missed a twist that caused heat to get on Manuel.  Perhaps it was the rust of missing the majority of fall practice with medical issues, but it has to get fixed and quickly.  McMahon was his usual self, not missing assignments much but not dominating.  Datko was perfect in pass protection as usual and was decent but not great in the run game.

I was impressed with the backups as well.  Stork looked good run blocking.  I don't think Orelus can be a left tackle at this level, but he wasn't beat in the passing game, so credit there.

Running Backs

Overall the backs ran much harder than FSU's backs have in a long time.  Jermaine had a few runs of 7+ yards, though one time he did get his feet too close together and was brought down easily when he should have powered through and gone for 20+.  His TD run showed a nice cut and patience, but it was impressively blocked and he didn't have to do that much.

 I was impressed with the backs catching the ball.  Lonnie Pryor continued to show he can catch the ball both upfield and in the flats.  He adjusts quite well to the ball.  Also impressed with Pryor getting into a good football position when picking up the blitz.  Credit Chris Thompson for slowing down once he found the open zone when Ponder scrambled to his right.  That's a smart move.  Thompson also made the most of his carries and really turned the corner quickly on his TD run.  A younger back might not have done that.  That's something I like because it has nothing to do with Samford.

TY Jones' TD run was a thing of beauty.  The blocking was excellent all the way through out of the pistol.  Zebrie Sanders showed tremendous hustle blocking 20 yards downfield.  I will say, however, that this run doesn't happen against a D1 defense from a major conference.  Some poor tackling, angles, and block-shedding by Samford.  Still, credit Jones and the line for doing what should be done to a D1-AA school.  His other runs were consistently nice and determined as well.

Receivers

Receivers blocked well, including in the passing game with the short passes, and I mean all of them.  Haulstead had a nice over the shoulder grab on a corner route for 20.  I don't like Bert Reed on the end arounds and reverses.  Perhaps FSU should wait until Christian Green is healthy (or 2011).  Bert needed to cut inside Lonnie's block.  In any case, running into the boundary is not a favorite of mine.  But excellent patience by Bert to wait for his blocks on his TD screen.  FSU fans will remember he messed this up last year at North Carolina.  Willie Haulstead had two nice catches along the sideline and he seems like a natural running the corner route on the smash (one of FSU's favorite pass play).  I was not impressed with Beau Reliford.  His block on Thomas' TD run was not impressive.  He needs to move his feet.  Beau is not a fast-twitch athlete.  He lacks the quickness in his muscles to fire off the ball in a timely fashion or run good, precise routes underneath.  Nick O'Leary has a chance at immediate playing time if he picks FSU.  Rodney Smith showed excellent speed on his catch-and-run up the sideline.  I think Fisher wanted to work this group a bunch because the 5, 6, and 7th guys didn't play much.

Here's a good graphic of the run game (Ty Jones 57-yarder removed).  Notice there were no negative runs.

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via i51.tinypic.com

The lack of rushes for 10+ yards shows how deep Samford was playing its safeties.

Overall Thoughts & Additional Notes

The offense was very disciplined.  Fisher said the penalty was on the coaching staff and he was pleased the players didn't commit any.  I didn't see many missed assignments.  

Samford ignored the threat of Ponder off the backside of the Pistol zone play.  If other teams do that I bet Fisher asks Ponder to keep it (if it is a meaningful game).  

This was an excellent offensive performance.  FSU racked up almost 500 yards on only 53 plays, and faced only two 3rd & 5+ situations.  The first team was sharp, the second team showed promise, and there were no injuries.  All in all it was a good day but there's still things to work on.

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Lost in the love is the fact that Sanders COMEPLETELY whiffed 1-on-1 with the DE when he made an inside move.

That was a 1-AA DE. Don’t do that vs OU.

Sorry….that was just glaring to me. Doesn’t detract from his overall game, but you can bet your ass the OU Ends were taking notes…

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by DRusso97 on Sep 7, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Which play?

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 7, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

1 of Ponder's scrambles when the offense was driving right-to-left

(which I believe makes it 2nd quarter)

DE started upfield, Sanders got too wide, and the DE cut inside him untouched. Wasn’t a DL stunt.

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by DRusso97 on Sep 7, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you have it on DVR, see if Spurlock isn't doubling a guy with McMahon and Zebrie is engaging someone and the guy runs right by Spurlock as he whiffs

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 7, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't record it but replayed it a few times. It was just 1-on-1, and the OT can NEVER give up the inside

Spurlock was helping McMahon, but that was all Sanders. Doesn’t take away from his overall game (which was excellent) though.

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by DRusso97 on Sep 7, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember this play.

It was sometime in the first half. Zebrie looked bad on that one.

by 504Nole on Sep 7, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wish i had not deleted this

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 7, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

5:30 of that clip

3:51 of the 2nd Quarter. Ponder escapes the sack because he is special & that DE is crappy (except for that move, which was more about Sanders’ F-up then his ability).

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by DRusso97 on Sep 7, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes that was awful

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 7, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad I'm not crazy.

I wasn’t dogging Sanders….but if I’m the coach (good thing I’m not), that play gets A LOT more attention then the hustle play downfield.

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by DRusso97 on Sep 8, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Not sure how I missed that

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 8, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good Stuff

I showed my wife the Ty Jones replay three times to point out Zebrie downfield. That was GAM impressive.

Agreed on end arounds. As soon as Bert got the ball I said “oh, geez. We don’t have to do that anymore.” Nothing through the first three years of Jimbo’s time makes me think he’ll give up on it though…

"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett

by The Ryno and I Know on Sep 7, 2010 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Check it

out right here. At the 1:10 mark. Little more complicated than a plain end around. Still good play.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 7, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

two things I liked

Fisher didn’t seem too concerned with Ponder’s Heisman candidacy, pulling him at the right time. Considering he approved the CP7 for Heisman site, Its good to know that he’s not going to let that push, in anyway, dictate the game plan.

EJ Manuel looks smooth, he’s going to be a big time player if he has the mental chops.

Also, on this site 4 days ago, I predicted (http://www.tomahawknation.com/2010/9/3/1667255/ok-im-ready#comments) a 56-3 victory. Do I get any credit for such a close call???

by Neon Deion on Sep 7, 2010 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Credit?

Samford doubled that output…ha.

by jasonole59 on Sep 7, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think, last year, Ponder comes out of this game with 2 TD passes.

I was surprised (pleasantly) that Jimbo gave CP7 the opportunity to pad his stats in that respect. Last year we would have run, run, run once inside the 10.

by arrdub on Sep 7, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

May have been a product of the cheap INT to some extent

I don’t think a 2 TD – 1 Int stat line against Samford would have knocked anyone’s socks off.

by BayNole9 on Sep 7, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

?

Not sure I follow. Maybe I should clarify: I think Jimbo let Ponder throw on the goal line to pad his passing statistics.

(Not that I think it was taking a huge risk or anything to do that, but last year, in the same circumstances, it seemed like Jimbo liked to keep it on the ground.)

by arrdub on Sep 7, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think BayNole is suggestion that perhaps because of the INT Fisher let Ponder better his TD:INT ratio

in such he is agreeing with you.

"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran

by harper.rb on Sep 7, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now I'm following!

Yes, that might be sound reasoning.

At first thought, you might not think Fisher is so concerned about “stats,” but then again, he seems to be so much in control of every aspect of FSU’s image, and has so much concern for the individual kids, that I think he might place some emphasis on a pursuit of the magnitude of the Heisman, so long as it does not interfere with outcome-related goals.

by arrdub on Sep 7, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL check out Werner (LE - top of screen)

here at 5m10s. That RT may have lost his balance prior to the shove, but golly it looks like Werner just manhandles him.

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Sep 7, 2010 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Ha

poor guy, was abused by the powerful one arm shot.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 7, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you said "He still doesn't slide well at all and that has to be corrected"

Were you referring to Haulsted or Ponder? Sorry, that confused me.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Sep 7, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Jesus I'm dumb

For some reason I thought he meant slide as in something he might do in the pocket, like it was something technical, not just how he gets down. Absolutely agree he has to work on that.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Sep 7, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

This part stood out
I don’t like Bert Reed on the end arounds and reverses.

I don’t really like him on that play either. But, if it is being used to set up a double reverse or some other play, my opinion may be different.

by fsu44 on Sep 7, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I dont know...

I liked Bert on that end around vs Maryland last year.

by DoubleNickel on Sep 7, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did AJ Alexander play?

He’s supposedly fast; maybe use him on the end around?

by jasonole59 on Sep 7, 2010 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

SPecial teams IMO

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 7, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He lined up at WR for at least one play in the second half

But not for much more than that.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Sep 7, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question for Bud or whomever:

What are your thoughts about Greg Reid running the wild cat?

by MKE Nole on Sep 7, 2010 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it's a good idea if we can make people respect the inside threat

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 7, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was interesting that Ponder was actually on the field

So not a true “wildcat” package in terms of personnel. That lends itself to more wrinkles (playactions, flea-flickers, etc.) in the future IMO

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by ricobert1 on Sep 7, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0YxHNpZpiw

2:05 of the video.
Spurrier tried it the year prior against us. Shane Mathews dropped the pass.

by The K-Man on Sep 7, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was told it was a toss to Reid by someone on that side of the field.

nothing in the form of a wildcat.

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by harper.rb on Sep 7, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's how I saw it

Toss sweep to the left, nothing more.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Sep 7, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is a D coordinator telling his guys to do...

When we get down inside the 20, spread 4 wide, with 6’6 Rodney Smith looking presumptively at that back corner pylon, while G5 is sitting there salivating in the backfield next to Ponder. Any DC’s nightmare, right there.

by arrdub on Sep 7, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet his is in some.

either as a distraction or the real deal.

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by harper.rb on Sep 7, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

he

"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran

by harper.rb on Sep 7, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

hah, meant specifically end-arounds and WR motions.

I don’t think he runs a single route, but will line up and motion as a distraction

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by harper.rb on Sep 7, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ponder does lead the guys excellent on those throws to the flat.

Should he put a little more zip on them though? If there is a missed block that could get a receiver killed lol.

by fsunole23 on Sep 7, 2010 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I've wondered about that, too

I wasn’t sure if it was intentional, like to prevent a pick 6 if a DB got a jump on the ball or something (loft it over the easy-picking height). Or, if those balls could be brought down a bit.

Any thoughts from the Xs and Os guys?

by Invictus13 on Sep 7, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

for me there are a few things

First, most of those passes were to the outside (rather than a slot guy) and just the depth of field could make it seems like the ball floated. Second, I think you don’t want to overthrow those guys (which can happen easily if your slinging it) so perhaps there was just a little more touch on them. Finally, I think Ponder at the snap has a pretty good idea whether or not his guy will be threated and prolly will get it out there faster when needed.

"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran

by harper.rb on Sep 7, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think all of Ponder's swing/flats passes Saturday were perfect and the backs were perfect as well.

No wasted motion or having trouble turning their hips upfield. Magnificent execution that you expect in practice.

by The K-Man on Sep 7, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah and add this to my list above.

"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran

by harper.rb on Sep 7, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also wondered if this was a reason (add it to MY list as well, ha ha)

But would getting the ball in the RBs hands a bit faster give them a little extra time to get headed upfield? Not that I’m complaining (we’re doing pretty well, overall) – just wondering about the hows and whys.

by Invictus13 on Sep 7, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think his swing passes are the most underrated part about Ponder's game

I like Drew Weatherford, but the inability to consistently throw that pass was a big hindrence to our offense. Not only was it usually not in the right place for the back to catch it with full momentum facing upfield, it seemed like half the time the pass wasn’t even completed

by LouC on Sep 8, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

For clarification

“running into the boundary is not a favorite of mine”

running into the boundary refers to running toward the narrow side of the field here, right?

by IndyFSUnole on Sep 7, 2010 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 7, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

The same thing crossed my mind when the play was run. It seemed that running a play like that to the short side was relying mainly on the element of surprise (i.e. “they wouldn’t run that to this side”).

I don’t know as much about this as some of the regular readers, but the end around strikes me as a play that relies on a little bit of misdirection, a lot of speed, and an element of surprise (kind of like misdirection, but not entirely the same). Running it “to the boundary” would seem to negate the speed factor.

BTW, how do we reference the sides when the ball is in the middle (no, I really don’t know)? My guess is that it doesn’t matter.

by IndyFSUnole on Sep 7, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Typically the ball is closer to one side. Not particularly sure here.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 7, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I noticed Jimbo loves to do this.

run into the boundary.

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by harper.rb on Sep 7, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you catch them rolling away and can get skinny up the sideline you can score

I just don’t love it.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 7, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Less room for guys to avoid your linemen, too.

So for a mobile OL, it’s not a bad strategy to condense the space.

by arrdub on Sep 7, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It does feel uncomfortable

Fisher is great at making it work though. I have a feeling that he will call less runs up the boundary side as our athletes improve in both size and skill.

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by xWd40x on Sep 7, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leverage on the Outside Backer...

If you are slot / TE heavy on the wide side of the field, the backers typically will shift/shade in that direction. The Backer on the wide side splitting the distance to the slot (or head up). Then the middle backer and the short side outside backer shift to split the distance on the guards.

RB goes wide side making the backers first step in that direction. Tackle or pulling guard will handle the end, the other then has the angle to cut off the backer before he can fill. This would then allow your shifty slot back to be one on one with a safety 5 yards+ down-field with the CB turning to tackle in pursuit (if the WR block/run off is decent).

Of course that would be how you might draw it up. how it actually plays out is a different story. Keep in mind, even if it is not a successful run, it may cause the defense to adjust how they shift to the slot formation on the wide side of the field, creating space for either a zone run up the middle/boundary side, or create additional space in the passing game for the zone receiver. Remember Football is more like a chess match. A play in the 1st quarter may be called to set up a play in the 4th.

by Iota1410 on Sep 8, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good point about the chess game. Makes sense and objection withdrawn.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 8, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Option teams nearly always run to the short side

If you fumble the pitch, it’s more likely to go out of bounds. But we’re not pitching here, so…

by Klak on Sep 7, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can save some contact on your backs, as well

If you can keep a guy that you ask to tote the ball 200 times in a season from getting hit, say, 3 times per game, you just saved him 36 shots to the ribs, head, etc.

The other thing it can do for you on option is, it "forces’ a back to get North/South. Sometimes in teaching the trailing or pitch back the relationship with the quarterback, they are too deep.

I like my pitch back to be horizontal with the QB and no more than one yard behind. Sometimes, with Ga Tech particularly, you will see that their back is actually in front of the QB while the ball is still behind the line of scrimmage, thereby making it a forward pass in actuallity. So then if it’s “fumblied,” the argument is there that it’s an incomplete pass.

Kinda got off track there, but there are reasons why I like the option into the boundary rather than the field. I think that 5 to 8 yards is easier than to the field side sometimes, although the long run isn’t there.

by Sobering on Sep 8, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watch the game again.

FSU running back’s are no longer avoiding contact on any play. If they cannot make the man miss, they are now lowering the boom…..thanks to Gran.

They contact they are saved comes when other backs from one of the 3-5 deepest backfields in CFB is toting the rock.

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by DRusso97 on Sep 8, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he was saying FSU do that or was 'avoiding contact'

just that in a GT style option O in the long term the coach might want to save the player some unnecessary bumps. with the split carries and really 4 starting RBs (including Pryor) we should never have that mind-set.

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by harper.rb on Sep 8, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with THIS
with the split carries and really 4 starting RBs (including Pryor) we should never have that mind-set.

Completely.

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by DRusso97 on Sep 8, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Ponder's TD pass to Pryor was a thing of absolute beauty.

Both he and Lonnie kept running the play until the defender committed to Ponder. Pryor ran his route at an angle toward the goal line, which made it harder for the defender to cover both Pryor and Ponder. Eventually, he had to choose which one to cover. Once he stepped toward Ponder, it was an easy toss and catch. Ponder put it right on the money and Pryor hauled it in cleanly. It was great to watch. Jimbo on his show pointed out that Reliford was also open in the back of the end zone on that play, but that Ponder made the right decision to go with Pryor.

by nolesontop on Sep 7, 2010 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

The play was pretty simple textbook. 2 on 1 make the defender choose which way he will get beat.

The leaping, twisting, falling out of the air by LP was anything but a thing of beauty. But a TD none the less.

by Jbeau on Sep 7, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

kudos to Mike Harris for trying

His mind will not be right during this. It was an extended illness and was expected, but when the day comes it is still something you have to deal with that is not easy. God Bless him and his family.

by rspknole1 on Sep 7, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for sharing this

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Sep 7, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

tough loss

hope he at least showed his mom film of his first nole interception… small victories for parents

by StM on Sep 7, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

EJ is strong!

My man has a rifle and will be difficult to deal with next year. He is a combination of the best of Charlie Ward mixed with the best of Chris Weinkie.

by Jbeau on Sep 7, 2010 8:49 PM EDT reply actions  

G5

Reid is a game changer and could possibly have the equivalent of a walk-off homer in some of our biggest match-ups this year. The one knock I have on him is when he makes a solo tackle, he taunts, or hovers over the downed player. Got to clean that up before it hurts us.

by JMac2474 on Sep 7, 2010 9:24 PM EDT reply actions  

i'm going to have to

disagree with you on that one. Reid’s personality is exactly what we need in our new era. We want to be feared like we once were. Intimidation, especially when you lay the wood on someone is a very successful tactic. Pumps me up to see that kind of emotion out there. Besides Reid isn’t too blatant about it. Just enough to let them know who runs this

by FS4Nole on Sep 7, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Act like you've been there before

Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.

by Caveman Mafia on Sep 7, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

the most intimidating guys are the ones that don’t say a word but beat you down every play. Their attitude is saying “this isn’t a big deal, it’s just what I do, get used to it”.

by sperrett1 on Sep 8, 2010 4:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I personally love his enthusiasm

I do believe Deion was similar in his antics, no? Not sayin Reid is on Deions level, but I like certain players to have roles. Reid gets the stadium going, and makes people take notice. Looks good on ESPN highlights too

by Njfoshizzy on Sep 8, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.

by onebarrelrum on Sep 8, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

more importantly

he should MAKE a solo tackle and not fly over the guys head and 5 yards past him…

by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Sep 8, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont know about you

But when Joyner laid the wood on that one play i was stunned…and then he walked off like he knew he just crushed some fool. Thats whats been missing. It wasn’t really tons and tons of talent. It was dudes who knew they are talented, and then play to their talent. (well that and another thing called coaching but you get the idea)

Team GOLD

by fsugrizz on Sep 8, 2010 12:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Bud Hates Beau!

Haha, I agree with everything you said though, I just hope he doesn’t have an account here the poor kid might kill himself.

Luckily, were have some big receivers who can block….

by FSUNole51 on Sep 8, 2010 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

I really want him to succeed

He’s already improved so much.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 8, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

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