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Florida State Preview: Noles Defense @ Oklahoma Offense

Finally, FSU can play a meaningful game.  Today we will break down The Florida State Seminole's defense and the Oklahoma Sooner's offense.  

Oklahoma went 8-5 last year, but was a much better team than most 9-4 or 10-3 squads out there. Some really bad injury luck conspired to stop the Sooner Scooner before it ever got rolling. Off a 2008 season that saw a record-setting offense and a trip to the National Championship Game, people had high hopes for the Sooners. But Oklahoma would lose 5 games in what was a disaster of a season, considering the circumstances. In this preview I will briefly mention 2009 and will focus mostly on 2010.

Oklahoma has consistently been one of the best offenses in the country over the last half-decade. Stoops has a real talent for finding excellent offensive coordinators, be it Mike Leach, Mark Mangino, or Kevin Wilson. Wilson came to Oklahoma from Northwestern and he brings a pro-style spread attack that often plays a very fast no-huddle pace. Ideally, the Sooners look to stay balanced. After having one of the best offenses in the history of college football in 2008, the Oklahoma attack failed to crack the top-50 last season.

I start my preview of OU's attack with the offensive line. It is the most important unit on the team, and is comprised of 5 starting positions. In 2008, Oklahoma had what some called the best offensive line in college football history. While that claim was silly, OU's line did feature multiple NFL draft choices and was the best in football that season.

But four members of that line graduated.  And those members were a 1st-Team All Big 12 Tackle, a 1st-Team All-Big 12 Guard, a 2nd team All-Big 12 Center, and a honorable mention All-Big 12 Guard. I've never seen a team lose that much offensive line talent in a single year. It would be like FSU losing Alex Barron and Ray Willis in the same year (this did happen in the middle part of this decade), and also losing two all-conference guards in the same year. Oklahoma had a tall task to replace all that offensive line talent. But the replacements hadn't played much at all, because the all-star lineup remained perfectly healthy, and because Oklahoma also lost two backups to graduation as well.

But Oklahoma did have Trent Williams, an All-Big 12 left tackle returning. And after that? At center OU had a tiny freshman center and a Colorado State transfer long-snapper. At Guard, they had an inexperienced but talented Sophomore in Stephen Good, a dependable senior in Brian Simmons, a JUCO, and 2 freshmen. The other tackle spot had three contenders. First, was the highly-touted Donald Stephenson. Also in the mix were Junior Cory Brandon and LSU transfer Jarvis Jones, a sophomore.

Nobody was expecting a repeat performance from 2008, but neither were they expecting the calamity that was to come. When a program has a tremendous lineup of seniors, it's difficult to accumulate quality depth behind those seniors. And that problem was exposed from the opening day of camp. OU suffered multiple injuries that kept starters out of camp. The Oklahoma line had talent, but it didn't have an opportunity to develop the chemistry that is so crucial for effective offensive line play. And further troubling was that camp was being used to determine who the starters would be, which wouldn't have allowed for much gelling even if the lineups could have been quickly determined. One thing did become clearer, however, when the ultra-talented Stephenson got himself suspended for the year.

Starting a lineup that lacked any semblance of health, chemistry or experience, Oklahoma allowed 5 sacks to a very average BYU defense in the opener. Oklahoma was absolutely more talented than BYU, but the Cougar defense is a complex 3-4 scheme and Oklahoma often had two men blocking one defender while another defender exploded into the Sooner backfield untouched. One of those miscommunications would change the course of Oklahoma's season as a BYU blitzer wrecked the shoulder of Heisman Trophy winner Sam Bradford. Oklahoma lost the game to BYU. BYU didn't beat Oklahoma. The Sooners literally gave BYU the game because the Oklahoma offensive line was a mess. 10 offensive line penalties and 5 sacks allowed to open the season.

The line would continue to be in varying states of disarray throughout the season. Williams would start all 13 games at left tackle, but a tight end would start 7 games for OU on the oline. 5 players would start a game at guard. Two at center. And two different players split starts at right tackle. In all, Oklahoma started 10 different lineups in 13 games.

But as the season wore on, and the line began to get healthier, the Sooners talent began to shine through a bit. It would have been difficult not to given the talent level. Some quality players began to separate themselves from the pack. Ben Habern, the scrawny redshirt-freshman center held his own given his size and experience level. This year he has bulked up to 292 lbs, an impressive gain of 15 lbs. His ankle is healthy and he is entrenched as the starter at center.  Stephen Good was, excuse the pun, quite good for OU last season at guard, starting seven games and playing in all 13. The 6'6" 299 lb Good was selected as 1st-team ALL- Big 12 by Phil Steele.   The 6'5" 316 lb Tyler Evans is perhaps the weak link at right guard, but he did play in 12 games last year, starting four of them. The coaches were extremely excited to get the 6'6" 309 lb Stephenson back from suspension and he is slated to start at left tackle, ahead of Jarvis Jones. That's a very nice combination of talent and experience at the left tackle spot. Right tackle will be manned by 6'6" 288 lb Erik Mensik.  Mensik is a senior and OU liked his pass protection the best of the three remaining tackles.  

Oklahoma's offensive line was one of the biggest problems for the Sooners last season. But this group is talented and should be much improved assuming it doesn't fall victim to ridiculous injuries hampering its ability to work together as a unit.  In its first game, it was fairly average.  Oklahoma rushed for 200 yards against Utah State, but it was a mix of long runs and failed runs.  The sacks given up are on the quarterback as he ran himself into them.  It might have been an off game or this group might not be where OU expected them to be (Stoops was quite complimentary of them this off-season).  FSU will find out.  This could be one of the better offensive lines FSU will face this season, along with Florida and Boston College.  

As I discussed above, that offensive line allowed the greatest football casualty of the 2009 season. Sam Bradford is one of the best quarterbacks in the history of college football. He won the Heisman in 2008. But when he separated his shoulder in the opening game against BYU, Oklahoma's offense was immediately in trouble. Landry Jones, a 6'4" 219 lb redshirt-freshman entered the game. And though he was a mega-recruit, he was not able to play like the Heisman-Trophy Winner. Bradford would play only 8 total quarters for Oklahoma (of a possible 52). Jones would have a very nice season for a freshman quarterback, completing 261 of 449 passes for 3200 yards and 26 TDs with 14 INTs. But that nice freshman season went unnoticed because it paled in comparison to what was expected of the returning Heisman winner.

We know that the biggest improvement for a quarterback comes in the sophomore year. Jones has the ability to be an excellent quarterback. He has good size and a good arm. He didn't make a disproportionate amount of boneheaded decisions for a freshman. One interesting note here is that Oklahoma's coaches call all the checks. Like a high-school team, Oklahoma looks to the sidelines for its checks or audibles. That takes pressure off Jones. Jones will be one of the better quarterbacks FSU will face this year and he could be in the group with Brantley, Harris, Wilson, and Parker.

In his first game of the year, Jones started hot and then struggled.  He was off in some of his throws and while one of the picks was not his fault, he had another throw that should have been intercepted. He also showed some awful pocket presence, twice running himself into a sack when the protection was sound.  FSU can only hope that he'll do the same come Saturday.  

I won't get heavily into OU's backups at the quarterback position because this game is played so early in the year, making it unlikely that Jones would be injured going into the game. They have two talented but young backups. If Jones goes down, OU will not be able to volley with FSU.

For all the talk about Oklahoma's struggles in the passing game, and there were some, the bigger problem was the rushing game. The top-10 rushing game in 2008 plummeted to outside the top 80 in 2009, thanks mostly to the aforementioned offensive line struggles. Gone is Chris Brown (189 carries for 749 yards). But the Sooners do return Demarco Murray. Murray qualifies for the 10th-year senior award, given annually to the player who has seemingly played for an entire decade. Murray is a very talented back who has battled injuries over the last two years, including a hamstring surgery last season (again, Oklahoma's 2009 season was sunk with injuries). While he didn't always miss games, he was limited in his use and was unable to play at full speed. Still, he made 2nd-team All-Big 12. Murray is one of the best backs FSU will see all season. He's a rock-solid 6'0" 215 lbs, with a good blend of power and some wiggle as well. Murray has 2500 yards in his career, and now that he is finally healthy Stoops has said he will look to get him 300+ carries. Murray is also a true receiving threat, with 100+ catches and 1000+ yards in his career. Quite simply, Murray is one of the premier backs in the country when healthy. Many have forgotten about Murray as he has struggled to stay healthy for much of the last two seasons, but overlooking one of the best backs in the country would be a big mistake as he looks to be primed for a great senior year.

Murry ripped Utah State for 200+ yards on 35 carries last week, including a 65-yarder.  He's legit, but he was held to 3 or fewer yards on 19 of his 35 carries.

The backups are less settled here, though Stoops comments lead me to believe that OU will rotate its backs much less this year.

Inside, preview the rest of the personnel, Oklahoma's Scheme, and how FSU will attack it.  

 

Star-divide

 

Depth is not a question at receiver for Oklahoma. Ryan Broyles is one of the best receivers in the country with 1800 yards over 120 catches in his first two seasons. He was limited last year with a fractured shoulder blade (there's that freak injury bug again). Broyles is extremely difficult for any college defensive back to cover and Oklahoma does a great job of moving the 5'11" 180 lb weapon all over the field. In their 3-wide set, Broyles typically plays the slot.

The other two positions are manned by a decent fivesome. Dejuan Miller stands 6'4" 224 and grabbed 36 balls for 434 yards last season. 6'1" Senior Brandon Caleb actually started 6 games last season and hauled in 26 passes for 408 yards. JUCO transfer Cameron Kenney caught 22 for 268. Finally, freshman Kenny Stills was one of the best recruits in the country and some at OU believe he can quickly work his way into the lineup. Stills is probably the only one of this group who scares a defense in terms of big-play potential, but the group is solid.  Kenney is probably going to continue to start over Miller because he looks improved.  Stills didn't look like he had the chemistry yet with Jones against Utah State, and it will be interesting to see if that improves.  If FSU throws the kitchen sink at Broyles, somebody must step up here.

Oklahoma did not lose TE Jermaine Gresham, a first round draft choice, because he tore up his knee in the pre-season and didn't play a single down for Oklahoma. You'll see a lot of ignorant broadcasters and writers citing the loss of 4 first round draft choices, but two of those draft choices really didn't play at all (Gresham 0 snaps and Bradford only 8 quarters). That said, Oklahoma's tight end situation is unproven. 6'3" 230 lb junior Trent Ratterree started 4 games last year and is essentially a wide receiver.  He's improved a good bit.  James Hanna is serviceable. None of these tight ends should warrant extra attention, but they can hurt FSU if ignored.

The bottom line is that Oklahoma has consistently had one of the best offenses over the last decade. Last year was a huge aberration caused mostly by ridiculous injuries and some expected drop-off from the graduation of 4 all-conference linemen and the top two receivers. This year the Sooners once again have a lot of talent. But the QB isn't being rushed into an unfavorable situation. The receivers are not new. The running back isn't getting off-season surgery on his hamstring. And perhaps most importantly, the offensive line is not in a total state of disarray. There is no reason to think this offense will be anything but good. And it could be very good if it gets even a fraction of number of breaks to the good as it did to the bad last season. This offense is talented well coached, and is now experienced. After its brief trip outside the top 50, I expect the Sooner attack to again be one of the 20 best in college football over the course of the season.  But there is a question as to how good this offense will be in this game.  

Oklahoma's offense didn't look great against Utah State.  The run game put up 220 yards on 42 carries, but the passing game only had 192 yards on 39 passing plays (sacks included).  Utah State's defense is nothing special.  The Utah State performance might give FSU fans some hope that this OU offense is just good or very good, but not yet great.  There's always the chance, however, that OU just played a poor opening game as it has done in the past. 

How does FSU go about defending this no-huddle monster?

This question really must first be answered by determining the desired result.  Wanting to slow FSU down requires a different strategy than wanting to shut the Sooners down.  I think FSU will look to limit OU instead of believing it can go out and shut down this offense.  

If you missed the breakdown of FSU's new defensive schemedefensive linelinebackers, or defensive backs, hit those links.  Here is our breakdown of how FSU's defense played against Samford last week.  Samford was a bad 1-AA offense (a very good 1-AA defense) that was missing its best receiver.

Spreading and running, and Stoops' soul searching. When Oklahoma's offense is rolling, as it was most all of last season, it is a thing of beauty: One play the Sooners line up with four receivers, then come out with a tight end and fullback the next. They can run the ball out of spread sets where the running back motions from the slot into the backfield, or where Bradford tosses the ball back to a more traditional I-back. And they do it all from a high-speed, no-huddle tempo that discourages substitution by the defense and ultimately mows then down.

As dizzying as it can seem, Oklahoma's ground attack is based off basically three plays -- the inside zone, the outside zone and the power, with a few others sprinkled in for good measure (just as FSU does). The zone plays give OU the most flexibility: The linemen keep the same blocking schemes, regardless of how many tight ends or wide receivers they use. The aiming points for the backs remain about the same. The Sooners tend to begin with a focus on the outside zone, but once the defense flows too fast to the sideline, they hit them inside.  

Dr. Saturday

There's no doubt in my mind that the focus must be on stopping DeMarco Murray to set up 2nd and 8+ & 3rd and 5+ situations (aka positively leveraged in favor of the defense).  I do not think Oklahoma can consistently beat FSU in long downs.  Yes, it will happen sometimes, but if FSU is to win it absolutely must stay in favorable down and distance on defense.  This defense will get torched via the play-action pass if it faces multiple 2nd or 3rd and short-mid range downs.   FSU would like to do so with its front-seven and the occasional use of the eight man (a safety) down to stop the run.

FSU will need to do this (something it did not do well at all in the last few years):

This current trend of defenses gleaning the best attributes of schemes into some quasi-natural selection process creates a deadly and effective method for accounting for fundamental principles of good football. Defenses, with the usage of proper coverage support, pattern-matching principles, and multi-talented linemen (ability to drop to cover receiving threats), are able to open a maelstrom of disguised looks. Defenses can present one look at presnap and morph its use to fit any and all offensive threats after the snap. No longer are defenses limited by walking out on displaced receivers (in man) or staying cemented within the box to stop the run. With these principles of adaptation, the chalk can be held by defensive coordinators a while longer.

The question, however, is how well FSU can do that with very limited time in the new zone scheme.  Yes, FSU's defense is talented, but the talent is quite raw at most spots and very inexperienced and undeverdeveloped.  FSU is going to have to catch a few breaks in this game during which Oklahoma fails to realize that FSU has done something that makes it vulnerable to a big play.  OU is very well coached and FSU must disguise its looks.  

Jacobbi McDaniel must have a huge game for the Noles.  From his nose guard position he'll be lined up against OU's center Habern and will face a double team from the all-conference guard Good or the lesser experienced Evans.  If McDaniel doesn't play well the Seminole defense will get torn up and the linebackers will not be able to fast flow to the football.  If McDaniel can play well and hold the point of attack, FSU has a chance to limit Murray, which it must do.  It's also important for ends Markus White and Brandon Jenkins to hold the edges and make Murray go wider to get outside while not allowing the cut back.  Oklahoma is quite good at the cutback and it absolutely punishes defenses who over-pursue to the football.  That sounds easy in theory, but in actual games when OU is running 3 plays in the span of a real-life 25 seconds, it is very difficult.  Murray is good at turning the corner, but FSU has enough speed to get to him on the edge if they maintain proper leverage.

I worry about the linebackers taking the correct angles and getting caught out of position.  As a group they are definitely better at using their hands, but some of the angles against Samford were poor.  Strong-side backer Mister Alexander must win the battle at the line of scrimmage against Oklahoma's tight end.  If Oklahoma's tight end can whip Alexander at the point of attack, it's a major advantage for Oklahoma.  I don't expect that to happen because Ratterree isn't a particularly good blocker, but that position battle is something to watch for.  

Parks and Jenije need to make sure they take good angles and tackle well.  They will often be called upon to clean up the backside of the run plays.  It would be nice if FSU had safety Nick Moody for this game, and Fisher did say he will play, but expect him to still be limited by the groin injury.  

Oklahoma is committed to running the football this season with Murray.  It's unlikely that FSU will take them out of the run, but it must limit the effectiveness of the run game on early downs.  

If Florida State can limit Oklahoma's running game on early downs without over-using its safeties, game on

The "not over-using its safeties" line is important because OU will easily pick apart FSU's defense on first or second down if FSU is clearly lining up top stop the run.  But if FSU can put OU in unfavorable down and distance, it has a chance to force some turnovers.  Jones seems to run hot and cold.  A defense never wants to pin its hopes on the chance that the QB is having an off day, but in this game of pick your poison, I'll rather face Jones than Murray.

Oklahoma is excellent at the screen game and they love to throw the bubble to Broyles.  He is perhaps the most dangerous receiver FSU will play this season and OU often lines him up in the slot, which further complicates things. This is one of OU's counters to the safety in the box to stop the run.  It is imperative that Florida State tackle Broyles because if he breaks one tackle he is gone for six points.Bubblescreen_medium

The threat of the screen to Broyles makes this chess game very interesting and makes it imperative that FSU shift its safeties right before the snap as opposed to doing so too early.  

Here you can see one of OU's favorite pass plays.  Really glad I remembered this sportscenter clip.  Go to the 4:30 mark to see the breakdown.

That play (the china y 90) is not particularly easy to defend and it could really expose FSU's inexperienced defense.  It requires a chemistry of feel and anticipation that FSU's defenders do not yet have with each other.    Please read "why Florida State fans must be patient with FSU's new zone defense" to see what I am talking about.

But if Oklahoma successfully throws that play it is not the end of the world.  That play is not something that is going to often break for a long touchdown, and it makes the WR and QB consistently be on the same page-- something that Jones and his receivers not named Broyles didn't exactly look comfortable doing in the last game.  FSU's Xavier Rhodes must get a good jam on his man at the line in cover-2 to make it difficult for him to get into his route.  At 210 lbs, Rhodes is incredibly strong for a corner and I do think he can consistently win that battle against any of Oklahoma's receivers other than Broyles (difficult to jam because he is quick).

It is OU's play-action passing game that really troubles me here.  Jones doesn't have to be super accurate if he is throwing to a streaking receiver because a safety or corner was too anxious to bite on the run fake.  How successful Oklahoma is with that is really predicated on how well it runs the football and how much extra personnel FSU must dedicate to stopping the run.  If Jones can beat FSU by going to his other receivers consistently and not via the big play, the Noles should tip their cap.  

Whatever Happens Will Happen Fast

As I mentioned above Oklahoma runs no-huddle almost the entire game.  This is very difficult to defend, particularly for a very young defense in a new scheme.  It would be quite easy for FSU to lose its composure and get smoked.  Oklahoma wants to run 80+ plays in a game.  That's about 20% faster than the pace FSU typically plays.  The Sooners will hurry up to the line and then turn to face the sidelines to get the call.  That means Florida State cannot substitute during a series.  It also means that FSU cannot huddle to get the defensive call and cannot communicate in a huddle.  For a young defense, these are not good things.  There's a good chance a miscommunication will lead to a big play or two for Oklahoma.  FSU's plays will have to stay more simple than it would like due to the need to signal them in from the sidelines and the inability to huddle.  Those simplified looks will benefit an Oklahoma team who is intimately familiar with what FSU will run due to having seen the base looks every day in practice because its the same defense OU runs. 

The other issue to worry about here is depth.  We at TomahawkNation have hammered this point throughout the off-season.  FSU's defense lacks quality depth.  The entire unit is young and talented, but the backups are extremely young and inexperienced.  A huge number of plays means the backups must also play quite a few plays.  That does not bode well for Florida State.  It also means that whoever is on the field to start a series must finish that series, as OU doesn't allow the defense to substitute.  It is almost inevitable that Oklahoma will catch FSU in a series with mostly backups.  OU's guys know that the backups are not going to run anything complex.  That will make for predictable reads and a potentially easy score.  Florida State's lack of quality depth on defense is a major liability in this game.  

Final Verdict

If this game were played last year's defense, I would expect Oklahoma to easily put up 7.5 or even 8 yards per play.  But this year's defense is obviously better, even if judging only by the off-season improvements and the performance against an awful Samford offense.  

Knowing that, I think FSU's defense can hold OU to 6 yards per play and 35 points.  Yes, that is almost 500 yards, but it is the yards per play and not the total yards that matters.  Oklahoma's total yardage will always be inflated (much like Auburn) because of the pace it runs.  35 points seems like a lot, but it represents a significant improvement over what FSU's defense was just last season. 

I think OU will run 38 times for 170 yards and throw 42 times for 310 yards (including sacks).  

I expect FSU to slow down Murray some, and to Force Jones into some mistakes.  But I also expect for the defense to lose its composure once or twice as OU's offense is moving at break-neck speed and surrender big plays.  FSU's lack of experience in the system and lack of depth will show up.  Also, Oklahoma will like eschew field goal opportunities because its kicker is not very good.  That is bad news for FSU because we know that going on 4th down is the right call more often than not.  Bob Stoops now has an excuse he can make to the media for making what is the right call (even if the media thinks it is not).  This is likely the biggest test FSU's defense will face this year.  With some fumble luck (fumble recoveries are random) and great field position via deep kickoffs, the score could be less.  In the end, however, FSU's defense still has a lot of work to do.  Samford was a bad 1-AA offense and this Oklahoma team is a bad matchup for this young defense.  

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i think you got the title mixed up
Florida State Preview: Noles Offense @ Oklahoma Defense
 
Florida State Preview: Noles Defense @ Oklahoma Offense

by steveNole on Sep 9, 2010 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep, reversed the titles.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bud, during the summer I think you mentioned something about FSU being a big underdog going into Norman.

Based on what Vegas opened up at and what you have seen from OU and FSU so far this season would you still take a 10 point loss before kickoff or do you think it will be closer? I will not ask for your score prediction as I believe you will past that tomorrow.

by CFCNole on Sep 9, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

the line

keeps moving down….its between 7.5-7 on cpl sites

by jhunter723 on Sep 9, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

No, on Oklahoma

They are making it more enticing to bet OU

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would you rather bet Oklahoma -8 or oklahoma -7?

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Public all over FSU

Pros are somewhat split.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still think your overstating how good their OLine is.

I know you purposely left a final verdict on their OLine vague, but it’s average at best right now. Talent is there, size in the middle and right sides are not, and they lack experience. USU’s Dline exposed them.

Football is played with an oblong ball. Take your roundball and GTFO...

by NaGaNole on Sep 9, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think USU exposed much except that OU wasn't prepared for that game at all.

I hope we can get some stops

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we get 7 stops I'd be shocked if we lost.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. Might have repped FSU in practice last week.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, talk about disrespect

Hope we repped OU last week in practice

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

We needed to rep FSU I think

OU isn’t putting in a new system ya know/

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely!

Christian Ponder: Your favorite quarterback's favorite quarterback.

by Jamil Dawson on Sep 9, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was saying this to my wife

During the UNC game.
She was like “No way, they wouldn’t do something like that”
Can’t remember if they did it, but I was saying they should.

by BenDNole on Sep 9, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

This was the first thing I thought about with their tempo.

I have gotten so mad in the past when teams would have both DTs “injured” on one play, then a DE the next, and so on and so forth.

Bring back Korey Mangum — a true Nole!

by SoCalNole on Sep 9, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't we do this against Clemson in 2006?

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't remember...really?

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Sep 9, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Err, Ernie Sims definitely had multiple injuries one year...

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn't that be a product of dehydration

once heard a rumor he refused water during games (from some friends at NFC) cause it was a sign of weakness.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was Miami Labor day 05

by Quentin C on Sep 9, 2010 7:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

We did this

in the ’93 Championship game, I do believe…

by wnc_nole on Sep 9, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would be great to get an early momentum stealer

Like a pick-six or muffed punt. Take a little pressure off the D (and the O).

by BayNole9 on Sep 9, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

An early lead could be a big big help

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

I like deferring to the second half. You have a chance at a (up to) 14-point swing by scoring at the end of the first half and then opening the second half with a score (doesn’t often happen, but the chance is there).

Although an opening drive score could be a boost for us, while allowing one could be a bit of a downer… bugger, if we win the toss, I’ll assume Jimbo has a reason for whatever we do.

by Invictus13 on Sep 9, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

In video games, I love deferring

and in most situations, but in a game like this that we expect to go up and down, I’d like to serve first on the off chance that we score, get a quick (probably lucky) stop and turn right back around and go up early.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

im with you on that

but think if G5 took one to the house on the kickoff…..Norman, OK- quietest town on earth, except for a few rabid Nole fans!

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by NorFla_Nole on Sep 9, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I forget who, but some famous coach said you always defer in a big game

Crowd is going crazy first quarter of a game – too hard on your offense. Alternatively, half of the crowd is still in the bathroom for start of 2nd half.

by Doak on Sep 9, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh i agree, and i think we should deffer

but to see G5 take one back would be amazing, thats all

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by NorFla_Nole on Sep 9, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bama definitely started with the ball - not sure coin toss

Obviously a lot of people would disagree with the statement – just sharing the logic.

by Doak on Sep 9, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bobby made a comment or two when Alabama choose to receive a few years ago

"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran

by harper.rb on Sep 10, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't remember

what did he say?

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Sep 10, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't anything profound,

 something along the lines of, “I’m surprised he chose receive the ball at kickoff” very loosely remembered. It’s just that Bobby commenting on it sorta made it stick in my head at the time. So when this moment came up that memory had a use.-

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by harper.rb on Sep 11, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could argue for that as the smartest philosophical approach

even for both sides of the ball.

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by ricobert1 on Sep 9, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

What does it all mean?

The same thing that happened to BYU last year is about to happen to Oklahoma!

We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable!

by DocHoliday2 on Sep 9, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Bud, that Gruden / Bradford Film is nasty

It’s a shame he didn’t get to finish out his Senior Year, he was a solid kid. It’s also a little intimidating thinking about our kids trying to defend that level of scheme this Saturday. I think we need to get a pick or pop Jones in the mouth early to get him antsy, then the game will be fairly competitive.

by Neon Deion on Sep 9, 2010 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah, too bad we dont use the "freedom system " anymore.

That scared the crap out of opposing qbs……..err wait.
Im thinking of the Jody Allen patented rush toward the centers ass regardless of the situation.

Man, whatever happened to our old D coaches? There’s a group who could send a pass-rush, anytime,anywhere!

Anyways, great write up Bud, nice to see the worst case scenario components presented to the readers. Better to have it & not need it than need it & not have it.

......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!

by Scalpemall on Sep 9, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

components ......

I.E. freshman stuck on the field during sustained drives. LB’s fighting blocks every play, Broyles going crazy in space. Don’t forget fumble luck.

......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!

by Scalpemall on Sep 9, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love freshmen on the field for sustained drives

Means they aren’t on the field for quick hitters. Freshmen WILL be playing in this game, the question is how successful they will be.

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by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

indeed, just sucks to see your young guys get ground up& know you can't stop it.

How many times a game can you fake an injury?

......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!

by Scalpemall on Sep 9, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bradford didn't even get TO his Senior year

He was a RS Junior last year

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Sep 9, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of BYU

Why do we have to play those guys the week after freaking Oklahoma??? We might lose that game because we put too much into this game. Thanks Bobby, appreciate it.

by Mateo9399 on Sep 9, 2010 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

They can't score with our offense. Not worried.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

CP7 will be the best QB they will see this season.

We will score virtually at will and the D will get enough stops to win. I don’t like the game on the sched at all let alone after OU but it is what it is.

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by Jamil Dawson on Sep 9, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think the OU game is important for us.

I think we should sit our starters at half time if we are down by more than 10 pts at the half. Heck may be we shouldn’t even fly the first string out there—- take a strategic loss to give us a better chance in the following 3 games. Kind of like we’ll lose this battle(OU game) but try and win the war(ACC atlantic div birth).

by revival on Sep 9, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please tell me that was dripping with sarcasm?

Or do you ask that our players really have that little pride?

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain..."

I traced the IP address—registered to 1 “Stob Boops” in Norman, OK

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Sep 9, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

How much tutelage does stoops or his assistance give on stripping the ball?

maybe give us a favorable lean in the randomness of fumbles

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on Sep 9, 2010 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Great article Bud

What a write up! Can’t wait to see the other side of the ball tomorrow. I have a feeling that we are going to score easily on them and this game is going to turn into a shootout. Games like this usually hinge on special teams and turn overs. Should be interesting.

by BossNole on Sep 9, 2010 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Landry QB Ratings

Looking for some numbers FSU can be pleased with

Utah State game rating 105
2009 rating against teams with a winning record 105
2009 rating against ranked teams 95

Ponder doesn’t have a drop off on the road or against good teams

by 93noleman on Sep 9, 2010 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I believe he's sub-120 for every top-50 FEI defense he faced last year, except for cracking that mark @ UM.

But I could chalk that up to 1st year + poor OL. Have yet to be able to see, definitively, what the guy or his OL can do this year.

by arrdub on Sep 9, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

When were those though?

Against BYU as a true freshman heisman trophy winner goes down first game?

Natl champion runner-up Texas?

2nd or 3rd best D in the country in nebraska?

None of those situations are us.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

but he had a 104 against Ok St last game of regular season. 118 against Texas Tech which was the game before. Against Nebraska he had a whopping 63. Not sure where FSU falls in there with Texas Tech and Ok St. this year. But last year of course FSU NO WHERE CLOSE to Nebraska, or this year. Would have been better against OK st if he had got a passing TD. Didin’t really need one as they rolled 27-0.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 9, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the good stuff, though TTech's defense was top 30 last year and OK State's was top 20.

FSU’s defense won’t be as good as TTech’s or OK State’s were last year.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Football Outsiders

has TTechs Defensive efficiency listed at 18. Okie State 22. So yeah, FSU wont get close to that this year.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 9, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here are the performances. Not ideal formatting, I know, but ratings in bold.

2009 Regular Season Game Log Passing Rushing
DATE OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
9/5 Brigham Young L 14-13 6 12 51 50.0 13 0 0 85.70 3 -6 -2.0 0 0
9/12 Idaho State W 64-0 18 32 286 56.3 51 3 1 156.02 3 4 1.3 4 0
9/19 Tulsa W 45-0 25 37 336 67.6 63 6 2 186.55 0 0 0.0 0 0
10/3 @Miami (FL) L 21-20 18 30 188 60.0 37 1 0 123.64 4 -17 -4.3 2 0
10/10 Baylor W 33-7 Did Not Play or did not accumulate any stats.
10/17 @Texas L 16-13 24 43 250 55.8 35 1 2 103.02 3 -4 -1.3 4 0
10/24 @Kansas W 35-13 26 38 252 68.4 45 2 1 136.23 5 11 2.2 15 0
10/31 Kansas State W 42-30 26 37 294 70.3 26 4 0 172.69 2 -3 -1.5 3 0
11/7 @Nebraska L 10-3 26 58 245 44.8 33 0 5 63.07 3 -17 -5.7 2 0
11/14 Texas A&M W 65-10 24 39 392 61.5 67 5 1 183.15 1 1 1.0 1 0
11/21 @Texas Tech L 41-13 18 35 262 51.4 57 1 1 118.03 4 -28 -7.0 2 0
11/28 Oklahoma State W 27-0 20 37 224 54.1 47 0 0 104.91 3 -32 -10.7 0 0
BOWL OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
BRUT SUN BOWL @Stanford W 31-27 30 51 418 58.8 38 3 1 143.16 4 -22 -5.5 0 0

Anyone care to tack on total and passing FEI’s onto these teams?

by arrdub on Sep 9, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

BYU 40th
Idaho State- awful
Tulsa- awful
Miami 20th
Baylor 50th
Texas 10th
Kansas 63rd
K-State 93rd
Nebraska 4th
Tex A&M 75th
Texas Tech 30th
OKST 19th
STanford 97th

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd take his Kansas performance

too bad he’s at home though.

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by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, Bud, go out on a limb and give us a predicted passer rating.

You’re already down for 42 att and 310 yards. All you have to do is guess on %, TDs, and INTs to give us the number!

http://football.stassen.com/pass-eff/

by arrdub on Sep 9, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

150

25-40 for 325 3 TDs 1 INT 2 sacks for -15 yards

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ouch.

Along with Murray for 150+… that smells like defeat. (Not that this is a surprise.)

Looking forward to your predictions for our offense.

by arrdub on Sep 9, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily

They run close to 90 plays a lot of games. 80 plays for 500 yards is over 6 a play, which sucks, BUT it gives our O plenty of chances as well. We’ll run just upwards of 70 plays this game I think, as well and I could see us torching them for a good amount (unless like I said above we go out of our way to slow things down, in which case I think we bring down BOTH of our total play numbers). It’s all about relativity, they get 500 yards and we get 450, I find that to be acceptable. Then it’s about turnovers and field position.

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by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know it's not logical,

but somehow I can’t see this game taking that rapid of a pace. As some others have suggested, for every bit that Stoops pushes on the gas, I think Jimbo is going to grind things to a halt.

If they break 40 passing attempts, I think we win the game. Jones broke 40 attempts in 3 games last year – Texas, Nebraska, and Stanford — and lost 2 of those 3.

I don’t think Stoops has too much confidence in Jones’ ability to take this team on his shoulders, so we are going to get Murray’d until we stop him. If they throw 40 times it will be because we are shutting Murrary down, and if we do that, it’s going to be a good day for FSU.

by arrdub on Sep 9, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Texas and Nebraska

D both elite last year. Especially Nebraska.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 9, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quite aware of that.

I’m saying, they only pass 40+ times if they can’t get it done on the ground — not sure if we’re up to that task or not.

by arrdub on Sep 9, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting.

I’m going to go with no. We need a Kansas performance from them on the ground. 31 attempts 85 yards. Of course they beat the crap out of Kansas so a lot of that was probably in ‘run the clock out’ mode. But you are right, trying to make them throw it that much because of a suffering run game…difficult. Very.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 9, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a knock on the article

But, while OU did give the game away against BYU last year, I did see an analysis of that game by smartfootball.com saying that BYU had much more offense than the score suggested, citing late drive fumbles, etc. that kept the score from being more lop-sided.

Not saying that affects the preview, just a clarification from what most here say is a credible source.

by BenDNole on Sep 9, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

This is true. I was mostly talking about OU's offense shooting itself in foot.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Landry as a QB, but I think our D will hold against him, 18-36/ 215yrds/1td-2int type line

Demarco is who scares me, I think he’ll have a 28-35 carry/ 185yrd/ 2-3td type game. But I think it’ll be how C.j Spiller was for Clemson, carrying the team and scoring all the touchdowns. I already have my prediction on how I think the game will go, but I do think murray will get some against us. I think the scheme is too new not to give one or two to a player of his caliber. But to negate the 4-5 td range I think they can put up, I think our D will have 2 or 3 big plays to help ( int with a good return or even score, sack and fumble type thing.)

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by jfree on Sep 9, 2010 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

If Landry has that type of game FSU could run away with it

Our team can really feed off of that momentum when you know it will almost always turn into points.

by freshcollegeboy on Sep 9, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spiller>Murray IMHO.

......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!

by Scalpemall on Sep 9, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yea spiller all day

I just meant performance wise, he’ll be their offense, I think he’s gonna churn out yards against us, and the OU coaches will play that hand till we can stop it. If we can just slow him down, and with our speed its possible, I think thats the biggest key for the win.

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by jfree on Sep 9, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

right on

......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!

by Scalpemall on Sep 9, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'll do better against FSU than Utah State

Because OU actually cares about the game and he is prepared.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

special teams....

does anyone know if demarco murray is still their main kick off returner…..?
i’d imagine they won’t kick to G5 – their punter had 8 kicks for 46.6 avg (might be skewed because he had an 85 yarder) with 2 touchbax and 3 inside the 20, so is he just gonna kick out of bounds or go for short hang-time type kicks?

by vegasnole on Sep 9, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Punter is excellent

They’ll punt to Reid and cover it, per Allen Kenney

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good, I like it

Even if they successfully cover it, I’ll just be glad they’ll give him a shot. Honestly, I think it’s the wisest choice for them. To kick it out of bounds is a major sacrifice against this offense.

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by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure

if Reid has a big return day. If that guy can get the hang time he is capable with OU guys running down field, might be some fair catches being called. Of course if there is anyone up to the challenge of making a couple guys miss, it is Reid.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 9, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's up!

Its not very original to say that BYU didn’t win the OU game, and that OU lost it. That’s what most of you probably say about BSU and VT this last Monday night. I completely disagree but I am a BYU fan right? So here’s the deal, BYU wins their openers. They play a polished 3-4 zone bend but don’t break defense. Bradford struggled against us and we most likely win that game even if Bradford doesn’t go down for the 2nd half. Don’t take credit from BYU and don’t take credit from BSU and don’t take credit from Utah when they beat the hell out of Pitt last week….silly.

I hope you guys will have success running a zone D against OU like BYU did. Also, Demarco had 35 carries, that’s 5.7 yards per carry, which is good but he had THIRTY FIVE CARRIES. Any feature back could get 200 yards on 5 carries because your going break one or two to bring your avg. up. You should be able to stop Murray.

I will tell you that now that FSU is going to a zone scheme it makes me think we actually have a shot against you guys in a couple of weeks here. BYU’s passing scheme only works against a zone defense. Our recievers find the zone’s and sit down. We don’t have the ability to beat anyone in press man coverage because all of our wideouts are 4.6 or 4.5 guys. Without a double move we can’t do anything deep on a man to man cover so I’m grateful for the change.

Here is a clip of BYU’s Head Coach talking about a zone defense, I felt like there were some good insights in this video that a safety playing zone will look at before a play.

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=841

by QuarterbackU on Sep 9, 2010 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

We know the level of talent BYU has and it is not impressive. BYU wasn’t beating OU unless OU beat itself.

I recently got clips from the Las Vegas bowl where our DC shut down ByU. BYU will keep it closer this year because it will not have 6 turnovers

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 2:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

What Vegas Bowl was it?

You could say any team that loses “beat itself.” At the end of the day FSU wins because FSU forces turnovers and stops the run and controls the line of scrimmage, not because the other team beats itself.

I’m not sure the game will be closer this year, BYU is young, new LBs, TEs, Safety, and Two QBs unfortunately. We did stop Locker last week at home which makes me think we have a chance against Ponder….who knows.

by QuarterbackU on Sep 9, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arizona I guess. That’s the only one we’ve lost.

by QuarterbackU on Sep 9, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree but BYU has traditionally struggled to contain running QBs so I’m saying it is a start. I think Ponder is incredible, I’m excited to see him play this year.

by QuarterbackU on Sep 9, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I covered this last year. On mobile so ant link but a large part of that game was OU’s line being a mess and committing like 10 pebalties, many unforced.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 2:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ponder's jock strap > Locker

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by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say that BYU beat a Mistake-Prone and Injury -Ridden OU team

who was vastly more talented but repeatedly shot themselves in the foot.

Boise St. made the most of repeated short fields against VT, who had one of the worst 4th quarter playcalling sessions I’ve ever seen.

And Utah didn’t beat the hell out of Pitt, they won in overtime in a nail-biter.

BYU doesn’t have the talent to hang with the big boys, but like Bud said, if they can eliminate turnovers it should be a somewhat competitive game in 2 weeks.

by freshcollegeboy on Sep 9, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry that should read can't hang with the big boy "this year"

You guys are super young and lost a lot this off-season, not trying to be a dick

by freshcollegeboy on Sep 9, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

no offense taken

BYU does dominate the PAC 10 every year, if the PAC 10 qualifies as a big boy anymore. Oregon State was one win away from the Rose Bowl last year and BYU destroyed them in Vegas like 44-20….

We did lose alot of talent to the NFL, which is sort of ironic since we don’t have “impressive talent.” But it is what it is. I honestly think you guys caught BYU last year with a high ranking and feeling over confident. We were not ready for you last year I think this year will be different. BYU hadn’t lost a road game in years until you guys marched in and stole our damn sod.

by QuarterbackU on Sep 9, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

that was a good feeling. Most did think BYU was slightly overrated (whether warranted or not), But FSU really just got lucky with a bunch of turnovers. You guys averaged nearly 9 yards per play against last years abysmal defense, so I’m not saying we blew your doors off.

This year, in Tallahassee with 100% humidity and 95 Degree heat, I think FSU could pull away in the second half. Does Provo have whether anywhere near comparable to Florida heat? Honest question. And how much do you think it will factor in?

by freshcollegeboy on Sep 9, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, did not mean to hijack this thread by bringing up BYU but...

in short, No absolutely not. Even on our 100 degree days there is always a dry breeze. Humidity doesn’t really exist in Salt Lake/Provo.

I really don’t think it will be a big factor. The reason I will say that is because everytime people come out to play us in Provo they complain about the elevation. I think weather/humidity/elevation has a very VERY marginal effect on outcomes.

The only thing that could be effected is maybe our kicking game not being up to par at a low elevation but our kicker sucks anyway.

by QuarterbackU on Sep 9, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree about elevation not being a huge factor...

…but, based on your equating altitude with heat/humidity, I suspect you’ve never played football in Florida in September…?

If you guys don’t have DEPTH on your defensive front 7, you’re going to get rolled in the 4th quarter.

by arrdub on Sep 9, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

your right

I’ve never played football in Florida in September. One time I went to Univeral Studios and I wanted to kill myself because of the humidity. You bring up a good point, our LBs are very young but our two deep is very good. Our DL on the other hand may be in trouble. Keep in mind that FSU is one of the only teams to run the ball effectively on BYU in the last few years. That is what was most surprising to me….sickening really.

by QuarterbackU on Sep 9, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adjusted after bowl game

#1. Hey we were number one is something. Awesome.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 9, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have another one for you......

We were the worst D in the country to have 4 former 5 star recruits.

......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!

by Scalpemall on Sep 9, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

that doesn’t surprise me at all. Sigh.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 9, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

And we missed many of the holes!

The line just blocked so well it didn’t matter. Probably the best run blocking performance we have had in years.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you think of Manamaleuna?

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

FYI,

I randomly visited this site last year prior to the FSU game and couldn’t believe the detailed analysis. I’ve never encountered any thing like this. Someone, maybe you Bud, is obsessed with Seminoles football and maybe you don’t have a day time job… :)

Manumaleuna has been really solid for us. He blocked the an overtime field goal against UCLA in the Vegas bowl to seal the win, he stopped Locker’s last drive against us last week by jumping and the ball hit him in the head. Overall, clogs the middle well and seems to be in the right place at the right time. He has been playing some defensive end lately, probably because he lost weight on his LDS Mission. Romney Fuga is starting in the middle for us right now.

by QuarterbackU on Sep 9, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha yep studying for the Florida bar.

But we really have a great group of passionate people here. No way could I do this myself.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you graduate already?

Been getting a kick out of everybody’s horror stories about the bar (I work in a law office). You have my sympathy, sir.

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by Drew J Jones on Sep 9, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ummm Bud

the Bar was in July, did you take it then? Or are you prepping for Feb already?

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by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bama in July (scholly), Fla in Feb

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you already started?

Workaholic

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by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, we ran VERY well against smaller defenses last year.

Bud has educated the TN posters quite well on how a smaller defense can be exploited. Adding to this, every starter on our OL is back, and about 5-15 pounds heavier, and stronger, than last year.

I appreciate what you guys do with what you have, but I think this game represents a horrible matchup for BYU. You guys are going to have to take some chances to create turnovers, or this one could get ugly.

by arrdub on Sep 9, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, one of the worst things you can do against a zone-blocking team

is only commit 3 guys. Adroit zone-blocking OLinemen get to their 2nd level of blocks with quite good balance and position.

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by ricobert1 on Sep 9, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

TN WORD OF THE DAY

Adroit
a·droit/əˈdroit/
Adjective: Clever or skillful in using the hands or mind.

by freshcollegeboy on Sep 9, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn

thought it was a new phone…

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 9, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can speak.

I played JuCo in the California desert (98-99), and FAMU (2000-2001)……THERE IS NO COMPARISON

My Soph season we started off with a home opener, 1:00 kickoff. It was 118 degrees with ~5% humidity. Opposing offense opened up with a 17-play non scoring drive. Our offense went 3 & out….right back on the field.
AWFUL

….but PALES in comparison to 2-a-days in Tallahassee in August where it is ~95 degrees with 95+% humidity.
Maybe the BYU team can get ready by placing sweaty socks and/or jock straps over their mouths & noses………………….

(I’m just sayin’)

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by DRusso97 on Sep 9, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mt San Jacinto

Opposite side of the mountain from Palm Springs……only JuCo smart enough to recruit Jarheads from Pendleton & 29 Palms. Produced 2000 NFL O-ROTY.

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by DRusso97 on Sep 9, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice.....

lloyd daniels was there for hoops – if anyone is familiar, or old enough to be familiar, with the name. where did you guys go to party?

by vegasnole on Sep 9, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was there with Jamal Tinsley.....we were literally next-door neighbors.

Close enough to smell when they blazed.
(which was every day)
Didn’t go out much, but usually Riverside. Spent most of my time getting laid….

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by DRusso97 on Sep 9, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

How can you say you don't have success against Man schemes

You absolutely lit ours up last year. We just lit yours up better.

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by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

man schemes

I thought FSU was really undisciplined last year in the first half against us and we did manage a lot of yards.

But we really struggle against Utah and TCU every year…they play mostly man defense. The struggle we have with man to man is that our recievers seem to struggle getting off the ball and that throws off the timing. Because our receivers have been a bit slower traditionally, alot of our passes are thrown before the break so if timing is thrown off by a big strong CB then we are in trouble. We also run alot of 5 WR sets which means we have alot of shorter route combinations and less protection, so our QB needs to get rid of the ball and he can’t when the defense is pressing.

by QuarterbackU on Sep 9, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did Utah really "beat the hell out of Pitt last week????.

I didn’t see the game, but it was an overtime win at home as a favorite against a team whose coach typically falls apart in close games……. You are obviously a regional fan – keep track of Boise’s strength of schedule which as of today stands at 28th (last year they finished at 96). TCU finished at 46, BYU 61, Utah 75……… These rankings INCLUDE the bowl games by the way. That is why it is difficult for these teams to earn respect nationally, how can we take them seriously with minor league schedules….?

by vegasnole on Sep 9, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

9 of their 12 games are teams we look for in our season opener

by freshcollegeboy on Sep 9, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

luckily for me BYU has decided to go independent and I no longer care what happens to BSU and TCU in the MWC. BYU can play whoever they want whenever they want now. We did just schedule UCF for a couple of games so we will be coming back to Florida next year.

Here’s the issue, you can’t have your cake and eat it too. As a BCS AQ school you can’t point to strength of schedule and say these teams are weak and then get beat by them and turn around and say the BCS school was not motivated to play in that bowl game or that the BCS school gave away the game or shot themselves in the foot. The non-AQ schools play who is on their schedule and that’ not their conference schedule. BSU would win the PAC 10 this year and so would TCU. BYU and Utah would show well.

by QuarterbackU on Sep 9, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

It will be interesting to read the replies to this QB.U.

I will say this though – I keep hearing how Utah beat Bama, as an example. It’s not a single game (Boise celebrated like they won the national championship on Monday), that you get a month to prepare for – it’s the week in/week out that gets ya… Just look at Georgia/Clemson/Miami/Scarolina’s schedules. The year Utah ran the table they “beat” a 3-9 Michigan team 25-23 that had Nick Sheridan and Steven Threet playing quarterback. Major league squads are not motivated to play in the bowl games when they lose the SEC Championship and a shot at a MNC. At that point typically 8-10 players on the team have the main goal of preparing for the combine, and not playing the Utes… see Andre Smith.

by vegasnole on Sep 9, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Undefeated Utah team had

43 carries for 36 yards against a 3-9 Big Ten team.

by vegasnole on Sep 9, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because I despise Utah I’m not going to defend them. Until these non-AQ schools get a chance to play a tougher schedule week in and week out we really won’t know the answer to the week in, week out debate. The difference is that we see non-AQ’s actually beating AQs often now…happens every week! So when the ‘big boys’ say that a non AQ can’t hang with them, they are mistaken because there is plenty of exhibits showing other wise. Saying non-AQ can’t hang week in and week out is a hypothetical situation and that’s my problem with the argument. We’ll see what the Utes do in the Pac next year. I think they will do well there even though their deal with the pac has set them up for limited revenue and resources over the first four years of membership. Utah basically sold their souls to satan for money, they should do well next year in the pac though.

by QuarterbackU on Sep 9, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The lack of depth on D-Line for FSU

is as you say, going to be the biggest variable by far and the greatest determinant. When you have Murray running 30-plus and the run-oriented goal is to limit first down yardage, not get pushed off the line, etc., against a no-huddle offense, you see how important Viloria’s work on a guy like McDaniel has been this offseason. You also see why McCloud’s reps were so important last week. It is going to take some serious playing through the pain and fatigue in the front 4 and no let-off, every play, all game to give our LB’s the ability to execute their assignments without error.

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by BigSpear on Sep 9, 2010 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank god he quit baseball

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by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great read, Bud

really in depth and you hit things from all the angles. looking forward to what you think of our offenses chances against their defense. barring lots of turnovers this looks to be more and more like an offensive slugfest with the possibility of whoever has the ball last getting the win. i like Ponder and our outstanding pass protection in that scenario.

by gasou_nole on Sep 9, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I feel better about this game because of OU's play against Utah State.

Utah State is not good. They have been cellar dwellers in the WAC since at least 2005. With a little luck, they MIGHT make a bowl game this year.

I realize that OU may have called off the dogs after going up 3 TD’s, but at the very least, that could indicate their backups are as questionable as ours are. Also, how would Murray get 35 carries if OU had pulled their starters?

by FSUjab on Sep 9, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Read somewhere Stoops promised all offseason to rotate in the backup runningbacks

Then proceeded to give them each like 1 carry.

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by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bud, in a situation like this, wouldn't you expect the O to play more slowly and deliberately

with the intent being to a) give the starters more time to rest between series and 2) to decrease the number of plays run by the other side (while TOP can be greatly altered by the uber hurry up they run, it would seem that a good disciplined offense who relies on leverage more than the 30 yard gain could decrease the number of plays/possessions the other side has).

I have no idea what Jimbo’s strategy is, but if you’re goal is to slow down the other team’s O so as to keep them away from your depth, the plan would be to keep your offense on the field for longer (I know this is ALWAYS a goal, but I don’t mean in total time necessarily, but in per drive time).

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by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, I would.

It’s sad because our offense in a no-huddle would be soooooo sick, but we don’t have the defense to play on the other side.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya, I actually had an inkling last year against Clemson that we should run a hurry-up no huddle

Because I didn’t see a lack of depth as our problem, but a lack of anything resembling an ability to stop the other team, so it stood to reason we would want them out there for as many drives as possible

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by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll wait for the other half preview

But it seems like they have some freshmen corners in their 2-deep that we could take huge advantage of.

by NoleLaw on Sep 9, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could EJ pull it off?

Will EJ be as good as Ponder with the checks at the line every play? Or does Ponder beat you with his brain while EJ beats you with his athleticism?

by FSUKook on Sep 10, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

EJ will have a deep understanding of the offense when he finally takes over

Think of it this way, the only offense he will have learned will be Jimbo’s, whereas CP7 had to learn that drivel that Jeffy was shoveling out. By the time EJ starts, he will as much time in the program as CP7 has now.

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by AMFKNole on Sep 10, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I worded the question wrong

Basically is EJ as smart as Ponder? I read once that Jimbo gives Ponder three plays to choose from when he gets to the line. Then Ponder turns in Peyton Manning and picks the best one. Can we expect the same from EJ?

by FSUKook on Sep 10, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Supposedly

on the long Ty Jones play EJ read the right side corner blitz and audibled the run to go left. So, he has that going for him. I don’t think anyone knows how well EJ will be at doing the stuff Ponder does at the line at this point, except for Jimbo Fisher and maybe Damien Craig.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 10, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing that really scares me

is – are we doing what OK did with our OL? We have a great cohort – ok they weren’t so great when they all started together – but what do we really have to show behind them?

I have faith that Trickett is whipping another line in shape but will we take a step back when we lose this group?

by StM on Sep 9, 2010 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought about this too

However, I think our recruiting is actually getting better at O-line now that Trickett is established. Also, the backups have been seeing more time with the 1’s in practice due to all the off-season surgeries.

by FSUjab on Sep 9, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

We'll be losing 2 and then 3

I think that’s different than losing 4, then having a kid suspended for the year, and having tons of injuries.

Certainly we will have to replace them and I don’t expect to replicate Hudson but we’ll still be good IMO.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I almost think the 3 Sr Line next year will be even more dominant than I expect this years to be

So long as we can get a C to make the right calls.

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by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

What a treat for EJ

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just pencil our O into the top5 of FEI rankings for the this year and the next two

Barring massive injury.

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by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I bet EJ holds up his end, too.

Been impressed by his progress so far, the pick last week aside. Mechanics look much, much better.

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by Drew J Jones on Sep 9, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

great article.." But"

It seems as though FSU has to worry about Laundry, Murray, and Broyles. The 3 Main concerns.. But OU has to worry about G5, CP7, the whole O – LINE, and all of our backs, Jermaine thomas, Chris thomson, Lonnie Pryor and Ty Jones.. How the hell do you game plan to stop 4 different backs??? I think our D needs to stop the run… agreed.. But i am not worried about Laundry. As well as their DB’s im not to concerned.. I think FSU has more speed and size in are recieving group.. Its gonna be a good game . GO NOLES 2010!!!!

by TrueSeminole2010 on Sep 9, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

The guys you listed Jermaine thomas, Chris thomson, Lonnie Pryor and Ty Jones

are not guys OU has to worry about. They’re not special players. And you don’t gameplan to stop 4 backs because only one can carry the ball at a time.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is true.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have always wondered about this...

Should a back get a bunch of touches to get in a rythm/wear down a defense? Or should you mix it up and throw different guys at a defense with fresh legs and varying styles? Probably advantages/disadvantages to each…

by FSUjab on Sep 9, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really depends

Want your stud at 90% or a good back at 100%

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Loonie Pryor is not a special player? WOW

my point exactly FSUjab.. we have multiple backs with different varsatility.. i would like to see some Beau Reliford play… a little TE action. GO NOLES 2010!!

by TrueSeminole2010 on Sep 9, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, he's not a star like Broyles or Murray

He’s not among the best backs in the country or anything like that.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaIOTP1Rxxs
He is not a star and neither is FSU’s offense.. Cant wait until saturday.

by TrueSeminole2010 on Sep 9, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

FSU's offense is

He is not.

Ponder & the OLine make it go.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thing

is I don’t think any of the backs are elite either. But this year they are going to be made to look very good because of Fisher’s scheme, FSU oline, and Ponder. We could see 2 or 3 of these guys become house hold names but it will be because of what is around them more of how individually awesome they are. But we as fans should love this. Get a system, recruit for that system, beat teams.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 9, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

From ESPN:

Something To Prove
By Bruce Feldman
ESPN The Magazine
In honor of what I’m calling Step-up Saturday, this week’s Top 10 list is about the 10 people with the most to prove this weekend.

1. Mark Stoops, Florida State Seminoles defensive coordinator
The Noles’ D has been awful the past few years. Stoops replaced long-time FSU DC Mickey Andrews and is incorporating more zone coverages in hopes of solving so many of the issues that have hindered the Noles in recent years. He has some great talent — but much of it is very, very young. Last year, the Seminoles ranked 110th nationally, allowing more than 443 yards per game. They looked much better in Week 1, but now we’ll actually find out something about the FSU D because the Sooners are nasty at home and have a ton of weapons, starting with RB DeMarco Murray and WR Ryan Broyles.
Oh, and Stoops will be coaching against his big brother, Oklahoma head man Bob.

by arrdub on Sep 9, 2010 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

So Bud, you are basically saying that our D will get burned worse than USU?

Call me Homer, but I see a little hope:
1. Punch OU in the mouth. If our guys can lay some hits on people, it might slow them down. To hell with faking an injury. Deliver bone-crushing hits and their guys will not get up quickly.

2. Throw them a little strange and do it early. For example, if we can catch them with G5 on a backside blitz and a tackle for loss, they may wonder what the hell hit them and slow down to try to figure it out. I would expect Stoops to have some predetermined plays called for each series, including 1 or 2 catch-em Ds. I would also expect those plays to vary from series to series. Having a couple different packages should help us keep it simple and field something respectable. Making one of the plays a catch-em D may slow them down. If their O is out of sorts and out of rhythm, I’d expect them to slow things down a little for Landry.

3. Throw the first punch. If CP7 can get us out to an early lead, perhaps OU will resort to a little more passing than running. Making them to go away from their strength only helps. Kinda like WVU in the Gator Bowl.

4. Send them to the unemployment office. By this I mean, run a ball-control offense to keep our D off the field. After knowing that USU was getting 20+ per completion, screw it and go deep. TWSS. The line on this second thought is that Ponder’s arm wins the battle against Murray’s legs. For the fallacy of that thinking, see GT last year. I say we try to keep their O off the field not only to rest our guys but to keep Landry from getting into a rhythm. Keep them unemployed and on the sidelines.

5. Run some straight-up cover-1 or cover-2 man. The theory here is that our CBs > their WRs. Jenije is no longer playing CB. OU has plenty of practice against zone and will be waiting for it in this game. Switching between man & zone should force Landry to make some reads. With our cross-training and versatility, I would think that we should be able to disguise these pretty well.

6. Hands down. I wouldn’t be surprised to see 4 LBs on some series. Jones and Alexander could put their hands on the ground to show a 4-man front and drop for a zone blitz. I’d think that using Jones as an edge rusher would help the DL depth and at the same time minimize his awkwardness in the zone. It would also throw their O-line a change of pace and keep them off-balance.

I really don’t want to see them embarrass us on Nat’l TV. Jimbo & Stoops have had more time to prepare for this game than any other. I would expect Mark Stoops to know OU’s offense pretty well, and I would expect him to have something prepared.

With all the talk about Landry being off last week and a hot-cold type QB, it would bode well if we could throw them out of rhythm early and keep them out of rhythm by keeping them off the field.

As for how you stop Demarco… I keep thinking about Luc’s HS highlight reel, that Williams is the same size and should be able to deliver comparable hits, of the story from fall practice of Rhodes flat-backing Smiley, and obviously of Bradham’s ability to lay the wood. I know you never wish a guy injury, but I don’t know if there is any way to stop Demarco other than keeping him off the field.

by NoleLaw on Sep 9, 2010 3:37 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Yes, OU will have a better game on offense against us than USU because they will be prepared. I don't take much from the USU game.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ask any Ohio State Fan and they would likely agree with you

Well coached teams are prepared for big games, but don’t necessarily ‘get up’ for the big games. I don’t take anything from USU either.

by Doak on Sep 9, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not so sure I agree with the "not-prepared" line of thinking. It reminds me of the not-giving-100% argument.

I’m not saying that they were or were not. But were we more prepared for Samford? OU was looking ahead to FSU, but FSU wasn’t looking ahead to OU?

by FSUjab on Sep 9, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I do think we were. It was very important to come out with a good game at home.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

OU will be better prepared for Fsu’s scheme but not for the speed and athleticism that FSU is putting on the field. i cant see OU’s 1st team offense getting that type of look from their scout team defense.

by GANoleFan on Sep 9, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could we get it from ours?

I don’t think FSU is more athletic than OU…

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

In regards to

Fsu’s defensive speed & athleticism vs. OU’s offensive speed & athleticism, I think so. I think FSU’s speed, particularly in the LB’s will create mistakes by OU.

by GANoleFan on Sep 9, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

OU's linebackers are faster IMO

Lewis and Lewis are probably the two best linebackers on the field.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely

T. Lewis is a Beast, but the other two leave something to be desired IMO. I’d take Bradham & Smith over the other two any Saturday.

by GANoleFan on Sep 9, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ronnell is a serious beast

I’d say he’s on Nigel’s level easily. Smith is very average as is Mister.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ronnell

Maybe you see something in Ronnell that I don’t, cause from the little bit of the game I got to see he and Wort look average to me. No doubt they are legit starters, but I wouldn’t game plan around them. I didn’t see anything athletically from those two that that one couldn’t find on Fsu’s roster.

by GANoleFan on Sep 9, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i def agree

our recievers are faster and bigger than their corners..

by TrueSeminole2010 on Sep 9, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would you think they are faster?

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

great point

when was the last time Bob played against an offense like ours … on saturday?? LOL

by TrueSeminole2010 on Sep 9, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

to blitz G5 would be suicide

He’s coming from the wide side of the field.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent post NoleLaw

Had not thought of using he man coverage there.

If we can get into our pass-rushing packages we can do something good with the speed looks.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the way you think

Jimbo bareley used the playbook on Samford… i cant wait until saturday. Bob is going to be pissed.. If OU couldnt stop Utah whatever the schools name was, we are going to have a field day with OU’s defense.

by TrueSeminole2010 on Sep 9, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

They didn't prepare for USU

You can bet they will have prepared for us.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Sep 9, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope so

But it’s not a guarantee. We can’t make mistakes like we did against USF last year. We can’t have a couple big injuries (like vs. Clemson and, pre-game, against uf). Etc. I’ll be ecstatic if we light them up and win, but I’m not assuming much. OU may be as vulnerable as they looked, but they also likely didn’t prep as much for USU (as Bud, DK have pointed out).

But, yeah, I can’t wait, either! Hope has been growing since last weekend.

by Invictus13 on Sep 9, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

OU has repeatedly done so in openers

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It used to be "Big Game Bob" but as of late it seems more like "Lame Game Bob"

Go Noles! 1980 FSU @ Nebraska Part 2?!. OU of now & Nebraska of then both did not lose hardly at all @ home. I think this could be the rebirth of the Noles on the national stage/scene. Scalp Em!

GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!

by NOLEFAN1 on Sep 9, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Problem is

with so many mouth breathers on TV picking FSU based on single game performances, it will almost be a let down if FSU loses (for those that just watch ESPN). That is lame.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 9, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

true but

performance and discipline is what will win the ball game.. not a stamp that says OU. Oh and the best qb and oline in college football, not to mention G5.

by TrueSeminole2010 on Sep 9, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's probably THE sod game

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

We haven't lost

6 straight in successive seasons to this team & it isn’t our closest rival, so I wouldn’t call it “THE” sod game. But definitely A sod game.

by SeminoleDan on Sep 9, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

UF is at home.

And we haven’t lost 6 straight to UM, so not sure where you’re going with this…

by arrdub on Sep 9, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean this season

it is THE sod game this season.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're going to dig up our own sod and bury it?

That sounds dumb

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

SOD GAMES

for away games ONLY.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 9, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Though

we have been so piss poor at home recently it might as well been Mars U. playing in Bleigblort stadium…

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 9, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is el capitan?

Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.

by Caveman Mafia on Sep 9, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Btw

I’m loving the matchup of a 288 lb tackle against Werner. Even though he’s a senior, you’ve got to expect decent results with a guy with Werner’s size and speed.

by BenDNole on Sep 9, 2010 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Going against a stationary Tackle who weighs about the same?

Yes please. But more importantly, size-wise, White matches up okay as well.

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by AMFKNole on Sep 9, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Size helps

but these guys technique will be multiples better than what he saw last week or anything he saw in high school.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 9, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow,

first time I think I have been got with that…sad thing is it works for the ENTIRE SENTENCE. Haha.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 9, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate to admit it

But even after all of the review/analysis I’m still afraid of all run plays until proven otherwise. Passing – everything in the flats.

by Doak on Sep 9, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Outside zone. Our ends play the run better than we used to but still not at a good level.

Passing play probably the comeback because we will give it to them.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The delayed handoff worries me more then the outside zone

As well as misdirection, even though they don’t run a ton of it.

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Sep 9, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

It’s a great point.

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, have to like that.

Think it means we have some margin for error with our D play.

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by Drew J Jones on Sep 9, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

cfn prediction

What Will Happen: For so many reasons, this one has all of the ingredients to become an instant classic. The gap between the schools is not nearly as wide as many will have you believe. Florida State is a little underrated. Oklahoma a bit overrated. Still, it’s hard to buck history, which says the Sooners simply don’t lose in Norman. In a game that’ll be dictated by the offenses, OU will also enjoy an important edge on the ground, getting the balance and big runs from Murray needed to keep the ‘Noles from dropping back to stop the pass.
CFN Prediction: Oklahoma 33 … Florida State 30 … Line: Oklahoma -9
Must See Rating: Boardwalk Empire – 5 … Going the Distance – 1 … 5

by vegasnole on Sep 9, 2010 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Little talked about stat

Ponder is 7-3 on the road as a starter, compared to 4-6 at home vs D-1 competition.

by Quentin C on Sep 9, 2010 7:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Throw that out the window

kid lead us to several game winning drives if not for fumbles inside the 10 and/or a sorry defense

by freshcollegeboy on Sep 9, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

The point of

Me pointing that out is Ponder usually plays his best on the road.

by Quentin C on Sep 10, 2010 9:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The question of the best approach upon winning the toss is an intriguing one

We all, I think, agree that a fast start would be monumental for FSU in this game. The point that deferring in a big road game is beneficial is absolutely a valid one, though. What say you?

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Sep 9, 2010 7:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Last year,

Take the ball no doubt. This year? Hmmm, not too sure.

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by onebarrelrum on Sep 9, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

My prediction for what it's worth:

Our offense will score 3 touchdowns and 2 field goals for 27 points. Greg Reid will either run a punt back for a TD or run an int back for a TD, which puts us as 34 points.

This is the Stoops bowl, and Mark’s big bro will know how to attack our young, inexperienced defense. They will score 4 TDs and 1 field goal for 31 points. FSU escapes from Norman with a narrow win, 34-31 showcased with plenty of offensive fireworks.

by MKE Nole on Sep 9, 2010 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I say

defer. OU knows our ‘D’ is inexperienced, which would be all the more moral crushing for them if we held them to a 3-and-Out on their first drive.

by GANoleFan on Sep 9, 2010 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the biggest key will be our red zone defense.

I imagine we will play safe in the back end and zone blitz quite a bit. They will gain yards no doubt, but if we can get some stops in the running game inside the 20 that will hold them to field goals.

Bend but don’t break defense so to speak.

by dream catcher on Sep 9, 2010 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I think we can hold them to 23 or so points if everything goes right.

Landry Jones isn’t the most accurate QB or the best decision maker, so we will have opportunities to make plays on the ball. Can Reid/Joyner/Harris/Parks/Jenije make them?

by dream catcher on Sep 9, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ditto

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by Bud Elliott on Sep 9, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Take the over. 65-70 pts will be scored.

Go Noles >>>-------->>>--------}}}----------------->

by hardcorenole on Sep 9, 2010 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Great read as always Bud.

I agree with pretty much everything. I think their offense will definitely score on our d, and it will be up to our offense to keep it close. We have a chance but in order for us to win some luck needs to be involved imo.

by fsunole23 on Sep 10, 2010 12:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Possible edit?

“Bradford would play only 8 total quarters for Oklahoma (of a possible 104).”

Wouldn’t 104 quarters = 26 games? Shouldn’t it be 52 quarters (OU was 8-5, iirc)?

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