Seminoles Dominate BC to Remain in 1st Place
by norcal_nole on Jan 22, 2011 9:32 PM EST
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Derwin Kitchen led four Seminole players in double figures with 16 points on 6-7 shooting. Not only is 16 points on just 7 shots ridiculously efficient, but he also added 7 rebounds, 6 assists and 3 steals. Bernard James scored 12 points and added 7 boards and 4 blocks. He’s now shooting 78% in conference play. Michael Snaer (13) and Okaro White (11) were the other players in double figures.
BC stayed in the game due to 14 1st half points by senior Joe Trapani. However, he was held in check in the 2nd half, and no one else was able to step up due to the swarming Seminole defense. The announcers spent 2 hours raving about the defense, and with good reason. Electric guard Reggie Jackson was held to 13 points on 13 shots, and the Eagle team shot 35% from the field.
Now the Seminoles enter a stretch where they play 5 of 7 games on the road (though 2 of those games are against
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BC looked lifeless on D in the second half
I am going to wait for a win on the road against C before I start to believe
if we win at Clemson, I'll be beginning to believe as well.
Why ask useless questions? How deep is the ocean? How high is the sky? Who is John Galt?
Sitting at 5-1, we better AT LEAST go 6-4 down the stretch.
4 more home games and a roadie at Wake should be 5 wins right there. Then you just have to win one of Clemson, North Carolina, Maryland, Georgia Tech and NC State on the road to get to 11.
I believe this team may have gotten its crap together.
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When was the last time we won at Maryland?
I don’t recall us ever doing well there.
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That rundown makes it sound so easy to get to 11 wins that I am thinking your math
is wrong somewhere, even though it isn’t.
This team has now earned the right go to Clemson fully confident and totally loose, knowing the game next Saturday is nowhere near a “must-win” and just “have fun” to use a couple tired old sports clichés. How many years has it been since that was the case? 20? Seems like, for the last decade or so, the Noles would be the team in Clemson’s position, with a 2-3 conference record and a late January home game that feels like a must-win.
Why ask useless questions? How deep is the ocean? How high is the sky? Who is John Galt?
Well, all of our home games are STILL must wins.
Lose one of them and now you potentially have to beat an additional road team…
And I think we should go 12-4, maybe even 13-3 with that schedule, but I put the odds at either around 15% and 5%, respectively.
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This is almost always true in the ACC...
Other than Duke/UNC in the years where they’re dominant, in which case all the rest at home are must-haves and if you lose as expected to the dominant(s) you’ve got to scrap for a couple of make-ups on the road…
I believe this team may have gotten its crap together.
Strong statement, coming from Sir trick.
See elsewhere you said 5% for 13-3 and 15% for 12-4… is that contradictory to the above?
Nah, I was thinking 30% for 11-5, 30% 10-6, 20% 9-7 or worse.
So 50% we go 11-5 or better…
And I did qualify it with “may have”. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if we poo ourselves down the stretch. But I don’t recall ever seeing an FSU team play like this. Maybe only 2006-2007 when we won 5 of 6 ACC games (the 6th of those games being that win AT Duke) before Douglas broke his hand/wrist and we went on a losing skid and missed the NCAAT.
If we blow this…
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Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
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Unfortunately I couldn't watch the game tonight.
I am also still in the wait-and-see camp, but coming home to see this score was pleasing.
Like you’ve repeatedly said, Kitchen just shooting the rock makes a world of difference. If Dulkys would shoot like the 40% guy we thought he was, we’d actually be a pretty scary team.
I'd much rather have Snaer "on" than Dulkys.
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Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
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Can I have both?
Snaer is a more dynamic player, so I’d definately pick him to be the guy who the light comes on for.
by norcal_nole on Jan 23, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I can see your point.
Snaer has a much higher ceiling and better over all. T
The more I see of Dulkys, the more limited he looks as a player.
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by pasadenanole22 on Jan 23, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
If he isn’t making shots, Dulkys is completely useless
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Are you saying I will be able to dodge bullets?
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No, you can just raise your hand and make them stop.
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I'm saying when the time comes...you wont have to
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by CornNole on Jan 23, 2011 12:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thank you, I set it up and two folks struck out.
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Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
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fatigue/ lack of depth hurt BC
As much as I’d like to believe our offense is improving, BC seemed to be running on dead legs.
Agree that Clemson on the road may be a good measuring stick for the offeense.
Still very impressed by our D.
This is the same problem I'm having
NCState isn’t good, BC is tired, and Coach K is too stubborn and set in his own ways to beat us. I keep making excuses for our wins. I hope that we legitimately have it together and I do see signs of an offense. Snaer had a much better game, White has good offensive instincts, passing was much better, Kitchen penetrated more, and we stuck with a larger lineup. I think we can beat Wake X2, GTech, UVA, and at least one other but I worry that we’ll fold down the stretch again. I hope I’m wrong but I can’t deny history.
BC and Duke were both in 1st place in the conference when we beat them.
One of them was undefeated and #1 in the nation.
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Trick is right.
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Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
I agree that we earned the wins.
However, I’m not sure they are indicative of our true potential as a team. We’ve gone through this before where this team has been close to “great things” and has fallen on it’s face at the last minute be it injury, poor officiating, or just a team collapse. I’m kind of guarding myself against that here.
Maybe it's me, but it seemed to me that we made BC work so hard for their shots, it just deflated them.
I think it exhausted them, sure, but it also just seemed to emotionally drain and frustrate them. We hit enough shots to just rub this in even worse (at least earlier in the season, teams might get frustrated, but took solace in the fact that we were usually equally inept at the other end).
Haven't looked at the schedule
But with 2 games vs a terrible Wake team, how likely could FSU go 5-2 in those next 7 games?
by Jonathan Loesche on Jan 22, 2011 9:38 PM EST reply actions
Pomeroy has us 5-2 in those games,
not sure if our performance against BC and Clem’s loss will be enough for him to predict 6-1.
BC’s lack of depth really showed. I think they may be a pretty decent team in time. Cannot believe FSU is in first place.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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BC has one of the most experienced teams in the nation
Even without the over 100 games of experience that Biko Paris contributes to the mix
two losses to wake in the future.
could just be the double ear and throat/face infection medicine talking.
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by onebarrelrum on Jan 23, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
had a free ticket to the game.
instead sat on the couch contemplating if it would be a good idea to saw my ears off…just to ease the pressure.
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
by onebarrelrum on Jan 23, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
Question is Bud
Is how much of this is smoke and mirrors andhow much is actual substance. I lean towards the later with our great defensive rotation but I’m waiting for the carraige to turn into a pumpkin.
There's another one: SMACK!
by Gator Slapper on Jan 23, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I know Okaro White from Clearwater
playing some pretty good ball as a true-frosh
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One other question
Is there no Atlantic and Coastal divisions in basketball?
by Jonathan Loesche on Jan 22, 2011 9:44 PM EST reply actions
Nope, oddly
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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There is already a tournament in place, so I don't think it makes sense to have divisions in bball.
Does the SEC seed their tournament by East/West divisions? If so, they’re going to end up with a garbage team in the title game.
It goes something like East #1 vs West #6 and vice versa.
I think the ACC needs divisions because the schedules are so unbalanced otherwise.
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It is East/West
Teams that finish in top 2 of each division get bye, then cross seeded the rest of the way
by Jonathan Loesche on Jan 22, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
I love that Vegas still haven't adjusted to how good Florida states defense is....
I’ve only lost one UNDER bet, and that was that crappy NCstate second half…
Get money fudge Biatches
All smiles here too
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Jan 23, 2011 6:12 AM EST up reply actions
Boy, that is one hell of a line for Kitchen. His tally sheet is marked up all kinda good!
And hats off to Hamilton for coaching ANOTHER fantastic defensive performance out of these guys. 51 points? He’s just delivering with that defense every game now.
Don’t know how much stock to place in this site, but it has our updated RPI at a much more respectable #44:
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2011/rpi
Why ask useless questions? How deep is the ocean? How high is the sky? Who is John Galt?
Warren Nolan's legit. RPIForecast has us at 43.
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Trick is right.
Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
Great site for baseball
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Good game noles!
Staff Sargent James rocks!
Surrender now or be counted with the endless masses that i will defeat-DISTURBED
Coley watched the game.
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Trick is right.
Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
Wonder who was with him?
For anyone that went to the game, was it a good atmosphere for the football recruits?
The announcers said it was a sold out crowd...for what it's worth.
The LCCC is never going to be Cameron Indoor for too many reasons to list here, but a sold out crowd with a geeked up student section is never a bad thing to show to your recruits that will be participating in the dominant/primary (let’s face it, football will always be king…then basketball/baseball) sport on campus.
I wasn’t there, but maybe the Golden Girls put together a little dance for the recruits that were on the fence. Hopefully they gave a S-T-E-W-A-R-D and a J-E-R-N-I-G-A-N.
it seemed awfully quiet on the tv feed, for a sold out crowd.
but I guess you can’t expect the fans to get crazy when it’s not teams in blue from nc.
Extremely pleased with the effort tonight
That said, Dulkys has got to turn it around. He “led” in TOs with 4.
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Anybody think he will?
I don’t. I think he needs to be a part time player as he doesn’t really light it up on defense. Maybe Miller will take some minutes if he comes back although he didn’t play today. Wonder if he’s going to RS.
Dulkys only played 13 minutes tonight,
so Ham may agree.
by norcal_nole on Jan 23, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
What is the deal with Miller?
Sorry for being an idiot w/o a clue on this…I know the situation with Gibson (couple of different injuries, projected February return), but is IM also hurt? I was wondering a while back why he’d just disappeared, but I guess I never saw why that occurred…assuming he’s banged up. (?)
Something fishy goin on with Miller, I believe.
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by CornNole on Jan 23, 2011 1:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don't know if this is what you're referring to, but there was a thread that got locked on WC with multiple folks claiming he is gone next year.
One poster even adamant that he was transferring to UF.
The crazy guy ponytale indicated that he talked to a source that said otherwise… and for all of ponytale’s craziness, I do believe he’s close to someone in the program, maybe even Ham himself.
I think Miller is really good, and a very important piece...
Hoping the injury is real, and any issues are him being homesick
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Jan 23, 2011 6:15 AM EST up reply actions
I talked to some people around the team
Ian’s injury is definitely legit. As far as I have heard, there is nothing fishy going on with Ian Miller. I mean hes a pretty good kid who is just starting to get adjusted and the injury hasn’t helped. I bet that WC thread got locked because it was just wild speculation.
by zeitgeistnole on Jan 23, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Miller has a family member/close friend of the family that posts on WC.
He said the other day Miller passed a test he needed to and would dress up for the game yesterday. Also debunked the transfer rumors. Guy seems legit, but…Miller not playing despite being dressed kind of scares me, a lot.
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
Ha...should've read ONE more comment before posting.
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Thanks tricknole!
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That is what I was referring to
Lotta smoke on this one. Not sure how truthful it is, but the 2 basketball guru’s I talk to won’t come out and say “no it’s not true”
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or it was such a ridiculous argument, nobody felt the need to address it
probably have no indications either way so they are unwilling to commit to an answer one way or the other.
there was never any indication that he was interested in UF during the recruiting process, why would he sit a couple of months and all of a sudden fall in love with them? sounds like a joke, a stretch, or just plain garbage to me
if i tell you i am actually nick o’leary, and that guy volstud is just pretending to know me, would you believe me? of course not, we all know volstud really is o’leary. sarcasm aside, just because somebody on a message board said it doesnt make it true.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I've come to the conclusion that southflnole1
or whoever it was that was the PRIMARY rumor monger in that thread, is a pure and simple troll. Hadn’t taken note of this comments prior to the Miller-to-UF garbage, but now I see that everything he posts is complete tripe meant to stir the pot. Even has a Matt Elam quote about Urban and faith as his sig.
Miller isn't going anywhere
it has been a combination of a groin injury and academic issues that has kept him away. Both are now resolved and he dressed for last night’s game.
The UF rumor was nonsense. There is a poster on WC named poothasamz who is either his brother or cousin from Gastonia who has been exactly spot on with what has been going on.
Good thing…I would hate to start next year with Loucks or Pierre running the point.
Regarding Miller, I did listen to Hamilton's post game comments, and
Deckerhoff commented that it seemed Miller was “moving around good” in the pregame warmups, and Hamilton responded by saying that Miller is close to being ready to play again.
FWIW. Would be an odd thing to say if he were leaving.
Why ask useless questions? How deep is the ocean? How high is the sky? Who is John Galt?
Our d was amazing tonight.
Like Bud said, I’m not completely buying this team yet but I do believe we are getting a lot better. The development of Kreft and James has been and will continue to be huge for us.
by fsunole23 on Jan 22, 2011 10:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Kreft was awesome tonight
If he can stay out of foul trouble he could take over a game on both sides of the court..
Kreft plays hard, just has a tendency to draw hand/slap fouls (sometimes forgets and thinks he's Chris Singleton)
He did this at Chipola as well…but you can’t fault the energy. I’d rather have a guy that you have to tone down than a guy with both thumbs stuck up his hiney (or anything else up there).
I’ll tell you something new with Kreft though – that mid-range spot shot he’s flashed several times in the last few games is money. Guy has a great touch…may have had that all along, but Chipola had so many other offensive weapons during his time there, I don’t think that fit within what they wanted him doing, so who knows. Either way, a 7-footer with the ability to knock down a 15-18 foot shot is pretty unstoppable stuff. The guy is going to get several of those looks a game, and they’re going to be clean looks…just a matter of knocking it down, and he’s doing it.
Watching him earlier this year, before we thought we were so bad... before we thought we were so good...?
I was shocked at what I THOUGHT he was going to bring to the table. Then, a bad back in Hawaii and a penchant for quick, silly fouls, and I was left wondering…
Kreft is still adjusting to D1/ACC game speed
almost all his reach in/around fouls are due to his lack of foot speed…he gets better every game and will be a beast down the stretch this year and all of next year.
Offense is like a cat
Defense is like a dog.
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by LincolnHighNole on Jan 23, 2011 4:29 AM EST up reply actions
I cannot believe this is the same team that I saw over the holiday.
Congratulations to Coach Hamilton and the FSU team. The 3rd time in the last 4 games that they have impressed me.
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by pasadenanole22 on Jan 22, 2011 11:58 PM EST reply actions
That's because it's not...
Total 180, for sure.
Early projections of our ranking when they're released?
Not that it might matter for very long considering Little John is NEVER a walk in the park (we’ve had some bad losses there over the years), but hey, it’s fun for us fans to let ourselves get wrapped up in the polls for at least a minute or two. (could be worse, like when you KNOW you’re not going to be receiving any votes at all)
By the way, we're what, "tied" with Duke for first in the ACC too...?
And by tied, I mean solely in first in my mind considering we beat them head to head; that’s got to go for something.
First in the ACC at this point, having knocked out #1 Duke and fellow top dog BC ought to be worth a pretty big jump from where we found ourselves last week.
In ACC baseball, there is an ACC tournament champion but no ACC regular
season champ. Is it the same in ACC basketball? Is there only a “champion” for the ACC tournament?
Are you sure there's not a regular season champion?
Basketball has both, to my knowledge.
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Correct, Sir Trick.
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The regular season championship doesn't mean anything except for tourney seeding.
The conference champion, according to ACC bylaws, is the winner of the ACC Tourney.
by norcal_nole on Jan 23, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
This team is undefeated since the "Big" lineup was inserted in place of the 3 guard set
Dulkys has been Dulkys…I accept that now. Snaer has flashed brillance, last night especially. Loucks has also improved his effort. Going to the Bigs has improved the intensity on D, and the concentration overall. Im starting to believe…
"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"
by BigSpearDiplomacy on Jan 23, 2011 6:21 AM EST reply actions
--their intensity--
"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"
by BigSpearDiplomacy on Jan 23, 2011 6:22 AM EST up reply actions
The best defensive team in NCAA D1 history...
after 19 games we are on a pace to be the #1 defensive team since they started keeping defensive stats/records in 1978.
We ain't done nothing yet.
The final ten regular season games start now. Three of the next four games are on the road. We need to keep winning the games we’re supposed to win. We could also use a quality road performance. We’ve won a grand total of one quality road game and that was by the skin of our teeth @Miami. A number of people were completely out on this team after the bad ROAD loss to Auburn. Now that we have a modest 4-game winning streak, people seem to be super high on the team. I’m happy with it.; especially the Duke win. But to quote the Wolf from Pulp Fiction, “Lets not start…”
I agree.
I’m pleasantly surprised by the team as of late, and it seems that they are showing real improvement as the season progresses. However, there are plenty of pitfalls that could await them if they lose focus, so this is a critical part of the season.
While it’s fun to dog them a little bit, it’s nice to enjoy the positive performances as they come and we should not get too down if they slip up.
Great win, but.......
I believe that BC had been running with a 7 man rotation. With those 7 getting most of the playing minutes coming into this game. From that 7 players…..one of them was out ill, and another was playing sick. BC ran out of gas the second half when we pulled away. This a good win, but let’s see if we continue to progress at Clemson.
Abiaka was a powerful spiritual leader who used his "medicine" to stir Seminole warriors into a frenzy.
Miami looks like they are headed to another tough luck season. Lost another one
with chances to win at the end:
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=310230152
Why ask useless questions? How deep is the ocean? How high is the sky? Who is John Galt?
Ham's offense has always needed that 1 player to take over that game
DK is that guy this year.
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