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Seminole Slant: Florida Gator Coaching Hires

Let's take a moment to discuss the coaching hires made by new Florida Gator coach Will Muschamp.  Muschamp elected to keep Stan Drayton (running backs), D.J. Durkin (linebackers), and Brian White (tight ends).  Those guys are being kept primarily for recruiting purposes and staff continuity.

Charlie Weis (Offensive Coordinator)

As you might know, Florida hired Charlie Weis to be its offensive coordinator.  We do know that Weis is an excellent offensive mind, but a bad head coach.  Much like Norv Turner or Wade Phillips, he is a guy who hasn't been able to successfully transition from excellent coordinator to head coach.  But he won't be asked to do so at UF.

Given a competent veteran quarterback, Weis' offenses regularly lit up the box scores. With Brady Quinn in 2005-06 and the more seasoned version of Jimmy Clausen in 2009 – as opposed to the overwhelmed freshman-in-the-headlights version of 2007 – the Irish unleashed top-10 passing attacks that averaged upwards of 30 points per game. In fact, Weis' attack finished ahead of or in a dead heat with Urban Meyer's spread option machine at Florida in terms of total offense in all three of those seasons, including the Gators' BCS Championship run in 2006 and Tebow-led march to a 13-1 finish in 2009.  - Matt Hinton

Still, there are questions of fit here.  Will Muschamp is a rookie head coach.  Is he bringing a personality in that he cannot handle?  People say Weis is abrasive and egotistical.  Can a rookie head coach control him?   NFL people say Weis was likely not going to be welcomed back in Kansas City after the season.  

Another concern is his recruiting.  Weis' staff routinely brought in very good classes to Notre Dame, but those close to the program say he was not a good recruiter himself.  As a head coach, he couldn't make many recruiting visits due to NCAA rules.  But as an offensive coordinator, he will have to make many more visits.  It will be interesting to see how he recruits.  As you will see below, UF might already be compensating for his lack of recruiting ability by hiring some good recruiters at other positions-- even at the expense of coaching ability.

I also wonder how he will be received if his first season doesn't go well.  He should receive a free year to install his offense and go away from the spread attack UF ran under Meyer.  But will he?  The system isn't something that these spread kids will be able to easily transition to and expecting this UF offense to be dominant in his first season is unrealistic.  One key will be whether he goes with the star freshman QB Jeff Driskel, or with the pocket passer in John Brantley.  Brantley clearly has arm talent and was betrayed by Meyer.  While Brantley is likely the better option for immediate success, Driskel will provide the fanbase with a reason for greater leniency.  If everything goes right, I do think UF has the pieces to perhaps have an offense equal to Florida State, which has produced one of the best ten offenses in the country in back-to-back years, by 2012.

Aubrey Hill (Wide Receivers)

Hill is a former Gator star who coached the last few years at Miami.  I was not particularly impressed with his work at Miami.  His receivers were not very good and Leonard Hankerson only emerged after becoming best friends with Mark Duper over the summer.  Hill is being brought in primarily as a recruiter.  I was not impressed with his recruiting at Miami, but there is another example here that is on point:  Clint Hurt.  Hurt was Miami's recruiting coordinator and Canes cheered when he left for Louisville, as they said he was a poor recruiter.  For the Canes, he was.  But for Louisville, Hurt is killing it.  That leads me to believe that Hill may actually be a pretty good recruiter.  Why?  Because of the difficulties the staff at Miami had that had nothing to do with recruiting ability and everything to do with restrictions placed upon them.  This hire of Hill is clearly to target South Florida, an area Florida State dominated this year.  Hill is 33 years old.

Frank Verducci (Offensive Line)

Really don't have information on Verducci.   He was with Hayden Frye for 10 years before a long stint in the NFL, which is a plus in my eyes.  Eleven of the last 12 years in the NFL, however, doesn't do much for me.  NFL guys know how to block and need fine-tuning.  College linemen often have no idea how to block when they come in and are simply big bodies.  Insert standard notes about teaching and the 20-hour rule here.  I'm sure Verducci is a fine coach.  At this point, I lack enough information about this hire to say anything more.  Verducci is 50 years old.  

Dan Quinn (Defensive Coordinator/ Defensive Line)

I suspect that Quinn is being brought in as "defensive coordinator" in title only.  Many good college coaches, including FSU's Jimbo Fisher, call the plays and run one side of the ball while allowing an assistant to hold the title of "coordinator" to get a raise in pay for that assistant.  I suspect that is what will happen here as Muschamp will likely call his own defense. Quinn is considered a good defensive line coach, and he's worked with Muschamp before when Muschamp was with the Dolphins.  He has been out of the college game, however, for ten years and has never recruited in D1 football.  He will join UF after the Seattle Seahawks get bounced from the playoffs.  I think this is probably a pretty good hire.  Quinn is about 39 years old.

Travaris Robinson (Defensive Backs)

Robinson is 29 years old and this hire screams "South Florida recruiting."  Robinson has three years of college coaching experience, plus two as a graduate assistant at Auburn, where he played defensive back.  His most recent stop is Texas Tech with Tubberville.  He has coached under Muschamp before, at Auburn, and has also worked with Tubberville.  He will undoubtedly be a good recruiter with his youth, swagger, and knowledge of the Miami area.  I have no idea about his coaching ability.  

Final Thoughts

This staff will clearly push the "NFL" angle to kids.  I expect them to recruit very well, but I really would have expected any Florida staff to do so as UF pretty much recruits itself.  The greater question in my mind is how well some of these NFL guys will adjust to the college game.  The college game is different, both in rule and scope.  Coaches only get twenty hours per week with these kids.  College coaching is more about being efficient than it is thorough, though both are obviously required for greatness. You also have to have concerns about the mesh with these guys, as with any staff.  My early impression here is that Muschamp did a good but not great job with this staff.  It doesn't really make me say "wow", but I also don't look at it and say "oh man, he messed up."

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I’m hoping Weis clashes with Muschamp and ruins Driskel in the next 2 years.

The best is yet to come. Go Noles!

by Garnet&Gold on Jan 6, 2011 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

Anybody watching the UA game could rightfully conclude that Jeff Driskel ruined Jeff Driskel.

After a bad week of practice, even the biggest Gators aren’t saying he redeemed himself in the actual game.
Anybody else think he is rated so highly simply because he is “somewhat” reminiscent of Tebow??

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by DRusso97 on Jan 6, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really.

I think he’s a very good player in his own right.

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by CornNole on Jan 6, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

OK, good.....because I didn't watch one single snap.

I just wanted to know what it would feel like to completely talk out of my ass for a change….

You know…OFF stage.

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by DRusso97 on Jan 7, 2011 4:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Weis

I have no opinion about the other hires, but I think Weis is a risky move. Mr. “Decided Schematic Advantage” has a colossal ego that might keep him from working with a much younger head coach. Plus, the offense has been in disarray, and whoever tries to shape the talented skill players up will need patience and some buy-in. I don’t think Weis has the people skills to do that quickly.

OTOH, he may be just the rigtht coach to salvage Brantley.

by madridbend on Jan 6, 2011 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

(Try to) be honest: who is a better
  • offensive mind: Jimbo or Weiss?
  • defensive mind: Stoops or Muschamp?

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by TLHWG on Jan 6, 2011 11:32 AM EST reply actions  

Jimbo and Muschamp

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by Jamil Dawson on Jan 6, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

This has been discussed before and I honestly don't understand it.

Why are people (not just you) quick to say Muschamp > Stoops? His first year work at FSU may be slightly over blown as I suspect anyone could’ve made significant improvement. Mark did a fine job with limited talent at UA (top 25). Muschamp had much better talent to work with at UT and regularly had top 10-20 units.

So, I don’t get the definite statement about Muschamp being better. I think they’re both very good and going head-to-head, with similar talent will reveal the truth.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 6, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Ultimately it's subjective

At this point Muschamp is slighty better IMO but it’s close. What Stoops did in year 1 was nothing short of amazing but Will has been doing it on a bigger stage for a longer period of time so I give him the edge albeit a slight one.

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by Jamil Dawson on Jan 6, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Think anyone seriously saying one is better than the other as coordinators is being silly. Jimbo does have one year of experience on Will though.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Jan 6, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Close calls

I say Jimbo – based on doing a bit more with a bit less than Weis had at ND

probably Muschamp, but hard to be sure because Stoops was starting in a deep hole of coaching malpractice. – ask again in two years

by madridbend on Jan 6, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

weis won't be there in two years....mark it down.

"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."

by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 6, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I said the exact same thing about Mark Whipple

Let’s hope you are right too. Charlie Weiss is the Cheeseburger Walrus

by NationWideNole on Jan 6, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

he'll be there 4 years at lease

his son starts going to UF this year. I heard that he will be an undergrad assist bc he wants to be a coach like his daddy! I’ll bet Weis is there for at least 4 years while his son goes to school and helps out with the team.

by ajm05j on Jan 6, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

no way, he's taking this position to get his college cred back, soon he will be moving to a HC somewhere.

"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."

by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 6, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

He makes enough money

that he can probably buy. No need to lease.

by TuckNole on Jan 6, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Your right

unless he decides to bunk up in the dorm with his son… then he’ll lease. But I’m not sure those dorm beds can fit/hold him.

by ajm05j on Jan 7, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

If any of UF's older dorms are anything like FSU's Smith Hall, they could

Mmmm…thin mattresses on concrete. My back remembers those days.

Now, whether those bed alcoves are WIDE enough for Weis is another matter entirely.

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by Dogrel on Jan 7, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree he has enough money where he can buy instead of least, but my question is;

Isn’t he still also collecting money from Notre Dame?

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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Jan 7, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Thought they bought out his contract when they fired him.

But I could be wrong.

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by Dogrel on Jan 7, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

He is

but at lease he’s still working and not sitting around collecting his money. He might only least even tho he has a lot of money… you never know

by ajm05j on Jan 7, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

In the college game -- Jimbo.

I’m not sure Jimbo’s offense would translate well to the NFL, but between the two I think Jimbo has the clear advantage in college ball.

Defensively, I’d have to see more of both, and I wouldn’t trade Stoops for Muschamp until Muschamp proved a lot more.

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by Drew J Jones on Jan 6, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Jimbo has a very NFL O

Short efficient passing game, attacking the weaknesses of the D.

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by harper.rb on Jan 6, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I think his offense is great for college

Most offense’s in the NFL are similar to each other save for maybe 2 or 3. Jimbo’s offense would imo be stagnant after a few years of being scouted.

by Legal_Seminole on Jan 6, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone refresh my memory....

as to any recent very successful college head coaches who jumped to the NFL and had a lot of success at the next level….. I’m having trouble thinking of any.

by arrdub on Jan 6, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Sample size

6 in the past 9 seasons? Almost all to horrible teams.

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by FLpanhandler on Jan 7, 2011 6:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

There are probably things Jimbo would tweak for the NFL, but he could definitely suceed as an offensive coordinator in the NFL.

His offense is multiple enough and flexible enough that he could definitely adapt to the NFL. Whether he could be a NFL head coach is a different matter.

by nolesontop on Jan 7, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

FSU

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by Jamil Dawson on Jan 6, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

HAHA

Wow typical seminole here you beat us for the first time since 2003 and you think urban legend is retiring cuz of yall HAHA whatever makes you sleep better at night buddy GO GATORS
P.S. enjoy it cuz next year yall will be starting another losing streak to us

by IfUaInTaGaToRuGaToRbAiT on Jan 7, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Save this post. We should save all posts like these to display in a victory post.

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by FSUvaFan on Jan 7, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Have fun with that culture of tantrums (Meyer) and crying (Tebow and Meyer) you'r left with at UF.

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by FSUvaFan on Jan 8, 2011 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

thats actually hilarious

well done idiot

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by Miaminole on Jan 9, 2011 2:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I like this guy

Hope to see more of him

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Jan 8, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

we don’t know at this point

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Jan 6, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Bud, our coaches recruit for our scheme and who dits in at FSU…. It’s not based on being a 4 or 5 star

hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard

by lawj on Jan 6, 2011 6:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

huh?

How does that factor into talent evaluation? You have to find the best players for your scheme, no?

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by CornNole on Jan 6, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm no expert,

But I’d be really surprised if ours were WORSE

by nole country for old men on Jan 6, 2011 11:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Changed surprised with scared

bc FSU staff was some of the best this year

by Gilchrest on Jan 6, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

as Bud stated….Florida will recruit itself….however, those players will need to be developed….that’s where the pavement hits the road….and I’m not so sure this staff is capable of maximizing the talent it will bring in…

In other words….these hires do not scare me….at all.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jan 6, 2011 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

That’s good. People were saying the same thing when Meyer got there. Spread won’t work, those players can’t be developed for that system…etc.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I still fail to see what a bunch of receivers under 6'0 can do in a pro style offense

But I don’t doubt that UF will develop their players from here on. I just think you guys are a recruiting class or two from the correct personnel offensively. D will carry you to your wins next year.

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by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh. The D loses a lot. So who knows how that is going to work out. And Weis did some good things with WR’s that weren’t all that big. Golden Tate is 5’10" at best.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I didn't say a lot of wins

7 or 8

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by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Think 8. Before the bowl game. :)

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh ya, all prognostications are pre-bowl

Since you can’t KNOW who you will face in the bowl.

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by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. If those are the runs and we get two national titles, two sec titles, a heisman, a shot at a third SEC championship….I’ll take that every time, and give me a new coach every six years.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget Mullen was there too

Tebow never looked comfortable with Addazio even though you were 12-0 before SEC championship with strong offensive stats.

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by GonzoNole on Jan 7, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. That year was so damn stressful. Nobody was comfortable. I feel so bad for Temple.

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by FlaGators on Jan 7, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't-Caveat Emptor, baby

There’s enough film out there on Addazio that Temple ought to know what they’re getting by now.

If they don’t, they’ll learn soon enough.

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by Dogrel on Jan 7, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Which is surprising he got a head coaching job.

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by FlaGators on Jan 7, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

It is entirely possible that Addazio will be a better HC than OC

They require different skill sets. I can see it working if Addazio hires an OC and is content to just work with the OL and be the head guy.

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by MikeLew on Jan 7, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

lol i feel bad for temple to addazio was an idiot ive never seen such horrible play calling

by IfUaInTaGaToRuGaToRbAiT on Jan 7, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

You kidding?

We need the janitorial crew in for this one, not the cops.

by arrdub on Jan 8, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea

and Weiss didn’t have to face SEC defenses at ND on a consistent basis….

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jan 6, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

But he put up really good adjusted numbers

However, the point is there, that he put up good adjusted numbers against guys who just were probably built differently. SEC seems to be at the forefront of the bigger is better defensive mentality, meaning for the first time we can expect Weis to have to coach against bigger corners and gigantic DEs.

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by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

when does size matter look at percy harvin he murdered yall all 3 years he was there but if you wanna talk size here are a few examples 1.Stepen Alli 6’5 (freshman) 2. Quinton Dunbar 6’2 (freshman) 3. Justin Williams 6’1 (freshman) 4. JaJuan Story 6’3 (Incoming Recruit) so how are we a class or two from correct personnel? And we got the baddest incoming QB named Jeff Driskel

by IfUaInTaGaToRuGaToRbAiT on Jan 7, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

when does size matter look at percy harvin he murdered yall all 3 years he was there but if you wanna talk size here are a few examples 1.Stepen Alli 6’5 (freshman) 2. Quinton Dunbar 6’2 (freshman) 3. Justin Williams 6’1 (freshman) 4. JaJuan Story 6’3 (Incoming Recruit) so how are we a class or two from correct personnel? And we got the baddest incoming QB named Jeff Driskel

by IfUaInTaGaToRuGaToRbAiT on Jan 7, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Judging by your incredible command of the English language

it would be pointless to attempt arguing with someone of such high intelligence.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 8, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Y’all have a lot of fun in blaming Urban’s success on that timing garbage. Keep it up. It’s always good for a laugh or two. Y’all act like that was the main factor…give it a rest. Makes y’all sound cheap, arrogant…all that stuff.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It would have been easy without your toughest game at the end of the season laying down for you 5 times in a row?

You won two titles while we had a geriatric at the helm. That’s not arrogance, that’s facts.

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by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh. We had the teams to win those games anyway. Did Bobby being on that Ebay too much allow for some of those kids to go to UF. Sure. I’m not denying that. But I fully believe Urban would have won one of them whether FSU was ranked 3rd or 30th. In 2006, that was just our year. 2008…teams had chances.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

2006 was just your year?

You escaped from Doak 21-14. We were awful. With a legitimate coaching staff that could very well have been the title you lost because we were fielding a competitive team. I think you deserve bunches of credit, but just like FSU points out that we started our run when you guys went on probation and continued it while Miami was on it all in the ACC, you have to accept that the SEC wasn’t all it could be when Urban took the wheel and FSU was only running at 100% for one year during his tenure.

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by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s what I mean. It was just our year. South Carolina a blocked FG. Winning in Doak. We had a lot of close games. Won them all, except for one. Thus…it was our year.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Without Percy Harvin, you lose 3 more games in 06.

And with a competent coaching staff, Harvin would have been in Tallahassee.

These are all hypotheticals, but I have a lot of confidence in that particular line.

by arrdub on Jan 6, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds good to me.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

You don’t think it had anything to do with his success at UF? At all?

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 6, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

No. I think it had some, but not even remotely close to the amount that I see on here.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

by "amount that I see on here" mean the handful of posts above your comment?

this is the first time Ive ever seen this argument come up in debate.
of course its not the sole reason for Urbans success and youve admitted that it had something to do with it.

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by NorFla_Nole on Jan 6, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve seen it said plenty of times. And yeah, I just think it boils down to a credit issue. Y’all being FSU fans, don’t want to give full credit for just the Gators being top dog. There has to a main reason, a fault, a theory, something like that for it to happen. It can’t be, according to y’all that Urban Meyer worked his butt off for years to get the head coaching job, recruit like a mad-man and assemble a great coaching staff and win even better than Spurrier did.

It’s all a matter of opinion. Y’all are going to believe one way…I’m going to believe another. I’ve said what I think of that view and y’all have said what you think of my view. We are opposing fans…ain’t gonna agree on everything. :)

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Im not talking about any of that.

I was asking what you meant when you said

ut not even remotely close to the amount that I see on here.

so my question is, other than the few comments that proceeded yours, when has this ever come up?

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by NorFla_Nole on Jan 6, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I would have no idea. Various articles on here, Alligator Army. I would have no idea on how to find links.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Not everyone. I’m sure others have different reasons. That is just the one I’ve seen talked about the most.

See AmplifiedJ’s comment below as well.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I would also add that I think it's certainly a contributing factor

Though not THE entire factor. Credit where credit is due – Mullen and Strong both helped develop a good Florida team; on the other hand, FSU and UM were pretty much asleep at the wheel for much of the past decade. I think both sides can give each other a little bit on those points.

The fact of the matter is is that it’s hard to gauge this question accurately. For example, if we imagine Bobby as, oh, 20 years younger, but in the same timeframe, would the same contingencies exist? I realize that puts us into MNC-dynasty time, but I’m trying to think of putting 90s-era Bobby into 2008 season, for example. NOT Bobby vs. Spurrier and that’s all that mattered like it did in the 90s. We all know how much things have changed since then.

No doubt UF wouldn’t have dominated recruiting like it did, but even then you get into questions of coaching competence, program infrastructure, schematics, etc.

Interesting thought exercise, though.

by AmplifiedJ on Jan 6, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree

I’ve heard it mentioned numerous times.

by TuckNole on Jan 6, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

It's definitely come up. Multiple times.

I also agree with it. The fact that FSU and UM were way down had a lot to do with uf’s recent run.

But, in all fairness, we have also acknowledged that the probations of UM and uf had a big factor in the start of our own dynasty.

by Invictus13 on Jan 6, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

This

IMO, its not arrogance, its just calling it as it is. We have acknowledged that we benefited from UM and UF being on probation having an effect on our run like Invictus says.

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by RollNole5 on Jan 6, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Timing Issue

Is very relevant and talked about around here because we have a new coaching staff. The relevancy is in how our rebuilding process is going and the competitive forces (like a lack of competition from in state teams, recruiting, etc.) that speed up or slow down success. I don’t think anyone here thinks that the gata wouldn’t have won anything if we had better teams, but I think everyone agrees that if FSU and SEC East were clicking on all cylinders that the gata would not have had quite the run you had.

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by kmp9494 on Jan 6, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

we say it because it's accurate

The overall quality of UF’s competition (on the field and recruiting) was significantly less than it is now. It was absolutely RIPE for Urban. Neither FSU nor the SEC were remotely as strong then as they are now. Does it diminish the accomplishment? I suppose so. Does it sound like sour grapes? Probably. But it’s accurate. UF made the most of the opportunity…even in spite of losing a game each year…it’s a rare thing to win 2 NC’s in 3 years. I’m just sooo thankful that the gators didn’t put a final stamp on the decade…the 2009 SEC title game is an all-time favorite (non FSU). If UF had won that one…it would have capped a run for the ages…and been all-time bragging rights.

by PoseidoNole on Jan 7, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

To give credit where credit is due, as much as I hate to admit it, Florida put themselves in a position to take advantage of our downfall.

Just because the recruits were not coming to Tallahassee does not mean they had to go to Florida and Florida could have retained Zook for a couple more years. Would Meyer have had the success he had without Florida State being asleep at the wheel. It’s doubtful. But they did what they had to do to exploit the situation to maximum advantage.

by nolesontop on Jan 7, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Just like Jimbo's doing at FSU right now.

So glad the ’Noles have good coaching again…

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by Dogrel on Jan 7, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

absolutely UF put itself into position...

the point is that Meyer walked into an absolutely enviable situation. Down rivals, down SEC, crappy predecessor, relatively lowered expectations from fan base, cupboards very full (Zook recruited very well). It’s a whole different situation for Muschamp. If he somehow has the same success as Meyer in his first 5 years..the achievement will be much more impressive (assuming the SEC and FSU remain strong). Who would you rather play and recruit against? 2005 Bama/Auburn/FSU/South Carolina/etc/etc….or 2010 Bama/Auburn/FSU/South Carolina/etc? LSU may be the only program that was just as good or slightly better back then (arguable). Maybe crummy UGA. Aside from that…it’s a MUCH tougher slate. It’s a no brainer. Meyer’s timing was fantastic… It doesn’t mean he’s not a great coach…he is…errr…was.

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by DocHoliday2 on Jan 6, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I couldn’t think of any adjectives for some reason.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, like I said…I couldn’t think of any other adjectives.

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Most excellent. Glorious. Venerable.

Supreme. Worthy. Superior. Ultimate. Superlative. Magnificent. Wonderful. Fabulous. Fantabulous? Stupendous. Astounding. Astonishing. Fantastic. Stunning. Amazing. Breathtaking. Deistic? August. Esteemed. Honored. Revered. Admired. Fantastic. Imposing. Majestic. Grand. Eminent. Imposing. Triumphant. Victorious. The Once and Future Dominant. Proud. Conquering…

Seriously, dude, if you need help with some adjectives to describe us, I’m here for ya. Always willing to lend a spear.

by Invictus13 on Jan 6, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Not what I was looking for. :)

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

lol they beat us for the first time since 03 and they think they are on top again typical seminoles

by IfUaInTaGaToRuGaToRbAiT on Jan 7, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Had to Rec this

The success, shortcomings, progress and regression of its in state and conference rivals had as much or more to do with with UFs success than Meyer did. Also look at the conference schedule since Meyer arrived. Before 2010 UF had not played Bama in conference play since ’06, has not played AU since ’07, these are two of the tougher SEC West schools.

by GANoleFan on Jan 6, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

If you take away

their good years because we were down, the reverse could easily be true. Miami was on probation for many of our best recruiting years and Spurrier was lazy.

The fact of the matter is, some of college football success is based on random accidents of place and time. If you start begrudging one team for it, you have to begrudge all of them.

by TuckNole on Jan 6, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I'm saying

The success ALL football programs have or do not have is a result of their rivals and conference opponents as much as it is a result of coaching. Yes you could say the same of FSU and many other schools, but to say that Meyer was the dominant reason for their success is off IMO.

by GANoleFan on Jan 6, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

If it applies to everyone, then why single out UF for it in this thread?

by TuckNole on Jan 6, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

But it's a meaningless comment then, no?

It’s like saying that the only reason Team X was good was because they had good players. It’s just a generalization that applies to mostly all good teams.

by TuckNole on Jan 6, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Auburn

How can Auburn be so good if Alabama is also so tough? Oh I know, FlaGatas, it’s because Auburn had an ex UF player leading their team yeah that’s it…..

by nole34 on Jan 6, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Or Gus.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Another riddle...

If the SEC is so tough, how can it possibly have an undefeated team 2 years in a row?

For example, Stewart Mandel was jabbing at the ACC’s winning bowl record and made some comment the effect"…but it was over team’s like Tennessee." Tennessee is in the SEC, right?

by jasonole59 on Jan 7, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. But Tennessee was 2-6, inserted a true freshman QB and won 4 straight to make a bowl game over really sorry teams. They aren’t that good.

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by FlaGators on Jan 7, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

No need to be scared, but Florida has potential in these coaches

They could work awesome together, they could flop. We will have to see

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that's the thing

I think it’ll be somewhere in the middle….

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jan 6, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

By 2012 you think they will be able to equal our offense?

The transition will be that quick? With a true sophomore QB and only one years worth of recruits for a pro-style offense? I could understand thinking that by 2013 they’d be caught up and I get that they are talented, but 2012 seems early for an offense in transition to catch up to one that’s been in a system for 5 years at that point.

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by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

Driskel is really, really talented. They should return 7 or 8 offensive starters in 2012.

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by Bud Elliott on Jan 6, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

EJ Manuel + 7 (possibly 8) returning starters on offense for FSU

Just seems to me like we should still have a slight edge there. If not, I sure hope our defense has passed theirs by then with 5 Senior Starters + 1 XR27 + several 5 star LBs.

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by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I said "if everything goes right" and "perhaps"

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by Bud Elliott on Jan 6, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw Driskel at the UAAG and was not impressed

He doesn’t run as hard as Tebow but has some moves. Has a good arm, but not a gun.

He’s Trey Burton with better arm strength. That’s all

by CCDFSU07 on Jan 6, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

That evaluation is a joke. I saw him in practice this week. It is a gun and he has tremendous skills.

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by Bud Elliott on Jan 6, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

In the game last night

Driskell did hit a receiver on the run and the ball went 60 yartds

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by DocHoliday2 on Jan 6, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Now that’s what I’m talking about! I haven’t seen a throw like that from a Gator QB since Chris Leak in 2006.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Did his receiver drop it too?

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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 6, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Zing!

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by FlaGators on Jan 7, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

True or False?

Driskel can hit the broad side of a barn.

False, Los just walked that pass into the endzone.

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by harper.rb on Jan 6, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I still wonder if Driskell will end up baseball

I know what they said last night. But for anyone familiar with Perfect Game, they rate him a 10.0. His OF velo is over 90, and he can absolutely run.

Will someone throw a great big bag of money at him?

Joe Mauer seemed to like football a lot, too. Not that Driskel is Joe Mauer, after all, there’s only two Joe Mauers. The other one’s name is Buster!

by Sobering on Jan 6, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I posted this in the recruiting thread a couple of weeks ago

Driskel is 94 from the outfield and runs a 6.59 sixty, those are tools that cannot be coached and are highly rewarded in the MLB draft. Would not be surprised one bit if he’s a late 1st rounder, which would entail quite a large sum of money

by Cody@TN on Jan 6, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

94 from the OF? What does that mean?

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 6, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

throws 94mph

from the outfield…I played college baseball…CF…I consistently ran 6.6’s in the sixty……6.5 out of HS is BOOKING IT for someone his height…(I’m 6 1/2)…

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jan 6, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I thought, but he said he IS 94.

I was a little confused. I played CBB too, but in the 90’s. Lots of things have changed…thought maybe there was some new stat they keep.

I wonder, much like FB, are those 60 times legit? Handheld stopwatch? I ran in the 6.7 range and occasionally turned in a sub 6.7. I KNOW those weren’t legit.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 6, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

If his 60 time comes from Perfect Game, they use laser

So, their times are pretty accurate. They also will differentiate between track and grass. Usually, they are on grass though.

by Sobering on Jan 6, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, not familiar with perfect game.

Way back in my day, HS and college coaches would feed MLB scouts whatever their best hand held stopwatch time was. Even the scouts came to games with stop watches. So, it was always hard to trust those times.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 6, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree,

No reason our O shouldn’t be top 10 in 2012 and I’d be surprised if the gata O was that good after 1 year in a completely new system.

by nole country for old men on Jan 6, 2011 11:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Weis offense?
In fact, Weis’ attack finished ahead of or in a dead heat with Urban Meyer’s spread option machine at Florida in terms of total offense in all three of those seasons, including the Gators’ BCS Championship run in 2006 and Tebow-led march to a 13-1 finish in 2009. – Matt Hinton

This has to be without SOS adjustment, right? I think Army and Navy when I think Notre Dame schedule.

by H2OFSU on Jan 6, 2011 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

In 2009 they had a top-ten offense after SOS adjustment. Not sure about the previous years.

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by Bud Elliott on Jan 6, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

25 S&P

I know it’s only half the formula, but their FEI must have been sick nasty to bump them that much.

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by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

think they were like 4th fei

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by Bud Elliott on Jan 6, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

probably just haven't had it uploaded yet

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by Bud Elliott on Jan 6, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Found it

They were 3 in FEI

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by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Ya, in 2005 ND was ranked higher in S&P

But never again for Weiss’s tenure.

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by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

And FEI nor F+ are listed on Football Outsiders

So I can’t speak to the other half of the formula.

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by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

In terms of NFL flavor

What other CFB team is analogous to what the Gators have now? Did Harbaugh at Stanford pick a bunch of NFL guys?

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by ricobert1 on Jan 6, 2011 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

Yes, Fangio and them are very NFL heavy.

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by Bud Elliott on Jan 6, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I know I am throwing stones but..

What are the steroid testing procedures in the pac 10? As a certified gym rat I have never seen more jacked white boys than in that last Stanford game. All kidding aside, it really popped out at me how big and lean the guys were which is hard to be (typically) without help.

by pb4957 on Jan 6, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Think it is NCAA-wide

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by Bud Elliott on Jan 6, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

i was thinking the same thing

Even before I saw that linebackers face painted up like the “program”

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by Ponder This on Jan 6, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Funny you say that

Pat Forde just tweeted something to the effect of being shocked at how much bigger Auburn is than Oregon.

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by CornNole on Jan 6, 2011 3:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well, they turned that Stanford team around

How long did it take them to get playing at a high level?

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by ricobert1 on Jan 6, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

what, 3 years?

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by Bud Elliott on Jan 6, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

While that's fine & good for Stanford

do you think the gatas would be that patient?

by Nole33 on Jan 6, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

no, but they don’t have the talent issues stanford had either

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by Bud Elliott on Jan 6, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

What they accomplished at Stanford was seriously impressive.

Especially since it’s Stanford, with all that implies.

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by Drew J Jones on Jan 6, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you suggesting that Stanford has academic hurdles higher than UF's?

Surely, you can’t be serious.

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by Sobering on Jan 6, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

There shouldn't be the same talent build-up needed at UF

But they are switching offensive systems and Brantley may be a huge project to get him righted.

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by ricobert1 on Jan 6, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

If anything, Brantley may be the big gainer in this.

He’ll have an OC who’s coached real QBs and Jimmy Clausen.

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by Drew J Jones on Jan 6, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Brantley is beyond hope.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

So you are fine with a frosh starting next year?

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by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d be okay if it played out like Chris Leak. Didn’t start the first couple of games, came in during Tennessee (at home) and started the rest of his career.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

He may well be.

But I think you guys blamed that kid for a lot of problems that were created by your coaching staff.

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by Drew J Jones on Jan 6, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure he can throw a pass more than 6 yards.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

He clearly can

Ask Mike Harris.

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by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

That isn't the problem.

Big-armed QBs are a dime/dozen. Hell, I can throw the damned thing 50 yards with some accuracy, and I’m about half the size of most of these guys. I’m sure he can throw it plenty far.

Problems were development and (I use this term loosely) system. Kid’s built for more pro-style offense, and Addazio & Co had no idea what they were doing. Didn’t teach him how to read defense. Didn’t design plays around the players.

More mental than physical.

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by Drew J Jones on Jan 6, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I watched Brantley for 13 games this season. He stinks. I don’t really care what evaluation y’all have done on here, or what y’alls opinions are. He stinks.

You won’t convince me otherwise. He throws the ball too short every third down, I saw it 100 times.

He stinks.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Mr. Miyagi has something to say about that

No such thing as bad student, only bad teacher.

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by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I’m a teacher, and I’m telling you personally, there are bad students.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

haha.

yes, yes there are.

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 6, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Not at all. Brantley is like that kid that you work with and work with, but he never gets the hang of it. Just barely passes and because you work in a public school and his grade/test scores doesn’t effect your year-end bonus because he is at the bottom (the top and bottom few scores are eliminated) you just send him on his way.

Much like I see the Brantley saga. They will work with him…but it won’t help. Then he will leave, won’t make it in the NFL and hopefully do something with that degree he got that was paid for by the boosters, taxpayers…etc.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

so would you want Driskel starting as a true freshman?

or start one of the current QBs?

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by NorFla_Nole on Jan 6, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Start Brantley for the first couple of games, but have Driskel come in late in the game to get his feet wet. Then hand him the keys in and around the Tennessee game…just like Leak in 2003. And have him start until he leaves.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

not fair at all to brantley

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 6, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair doesn’t apply when you have as much talent playing QB than Addazio calling the plays.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Just saying if they plan to yank Brantley after 2 games

I would think they need to tell him that so he can transfer and go play for a team that actually wants a QB to start and finish a season.

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be opposed to him transferring.

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by FlaGators on Jan 7, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

This.

When 80% of a kid’s snaps are on 3rd and long situations, no wonder he couldn’t get comfortable.

by stevib on Jan 6, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s not even remotely close.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe not.

But they brought him in for a BUNCH of 3rd quarter snaps on 3rd and long after the other two QB’s failed to put them in favorable down and distance. And like a lot of QB’s he would fail to convert on 3rd and 8. It was really dumb, especially after being on the bench for 1st and 2nd down.

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

That was at the end of the year towards the end of the season. The bowl game. More specifically.

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by FlaGators on Jan 7, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Looking at play by play for FSU-UF game.

He wasn’t always put in on 3rd and long, sometimes 2nd and long.

Examples on different series:

1st and 10 QB is Reed, holding call, Bring in Brantley on 2nd and 15

Reed incomplete pass on 1st, still QB on 2nd, false start, 2nd 15, bring in Brantley

1st down after Reed had great rhythm, was doing fine driving down the field, pull him after he got two yards on a run and bring in Brantley who has been on the bench for the whole series then Brantley throws a pick on 2nd and 8.

first series of 3rd quarter.

1st, 2nd down Reed, Brantley on 3rd and 4, sacked.

Next series

Burton and Reed go back and forth until one scrambles for a 2nd and 9, bring in Brantley

UF people are quick to rip Brantley when he had to deal with these facts,

A) A center that thought he was playing some kind of hike the ball at the rubber ducky carnival game.

2) A completely unorganized and under performing offensive line.

D) An offensive coordinator that might have some kind of learning disability

Zed) A QB rotation that has never been seen in the history of the game nor ever will be again.

Bikini) A head coach that didn’t really give a damn about any of the above

But, I’m sure it is all Brantley just being a crap QB.

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Right at the end season. It happened a lot more during the last 2-3 games than it did at any other time.

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by FlaGators on Jan 7, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Even before the QB rotation

he had all the other crap to deal with.

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Before the season he said he was ready for it, there was going to be no excuses and that he is ready to handle the post-Tebow pressure.

All swings and misses.

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by FlaGators on Jan 7, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

He was also promised he was going to get to

be on a team that wasn’t a spread option…woops.

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

That was only during the second half the season. Meyer said the offense wasn’t going to change all that much going into the season, then about halfway through it he said that it would be adjusted a little bit. But you can’t in fairness expect a coach to change his philosophy all that much.

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by FlaGators on Jan 7, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Should have said, not a running spread

option but a pass spread, quote from before the season started in the Orlando sentinel:

“Florida will tailor Brantley’s skills to a pass-friendly spread offense.”

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

TheNole9Yards's comment is.

It’s pretty much dead-on.

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by Drew J Jones on Jan 7, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

It has always appeared to me

It’s always looked to me like their offensive staff didn’t know how to teach a QB how to read a secondary. I’ve seen it too many times.

They can teach the difference between man vs. 2 verus 3, etc. but what it doesn’t look like they taught him was “against cover 1, we look here. Against cover 2, we look there.”

The passing game had no “coordination.” And it’s sad. For JB. Although not for me.

We’ve seen plenty of QBs under Coach Spurrier, with less talent, do far more. JB is no less talented, physically, than Doug Johnson. And isn’t as crazy, in that, I don’t believe that JB would throw at a 70+ year old man’s head, for example.

If JB is at USCe, I thnk he starts.

by Sobering on Jan 7, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. At this point Noah Brindise is a more successful Gator QB. And that is sad.

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by FlaGators on Jan 7, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

You say "Exactly"...

…but above you’re pinning it on Brantley for being stupid rather than being a failure of coaching.

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- John Maynard Keynes

"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
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by Drew J Jones on Jan 7, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

The play calls were in place for Brantley to throw the ball down-field. It seems like he never did. That’s on him. It’s more Brantley than coaching.

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by FlaGators on Jan 7, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

You mean the 4,000 dives?

Sorry, I watched most of the UF games, too, and the playcalling was atrocious. Coaches did not understand the concept of setting up plays.

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- John Maynard Keynes

"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
- Jimbo Fisher

by Drew J Jones on Jan 7, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep. It was either dive play or a Brantley 4 yard pass.

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by FlaGators on Jan 7, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Additionally...

…if you can’t trust the coaching staff to call a proper offense, can you trust the staff to have developed the QB properly in practice, so that he recognizes where to go?

The Mr Miyagi quote is quite apt here.

"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assault of thought on the unthinking."
- John Maynard Keynes

"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
- Jimbo Fisher

by Drew J Jones on Jan 7, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

It's more Brantley than coaching.

This couldn’t be more incorrect. See play calls in the post above.

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Once again, I don’t expect us to agree on everything. I’m a Gator fan and I say that Brantley (and the coaching) last season was garbage. I say it is more Brantley. I’m not going to change in that opinion.

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by FlaGators on Jan 7, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Well it took most Nole fans about 6 years to realize

that Chris Rix might have been worlds better if he had better coaching. You might come around, just might be a half decade or so.

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

True. The only way I can see that happening is if Brantley turns into an All-Pro QB in the NFL. Though I say that is the only way now. But like you said..who knows.

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by FlaGators on Jan 7, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

And people wonder why teachers aren't respected.

My wife and sister-in-law were/are both public school teachers at dirt-poor schools who’ve succeeded with those kinds of kids. If that’s your attitude towards students, you need to be in another field.

That’s setting aside the fact that your analogy is nonsense.

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by Drew J Jones on Jan 7, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I was half joking man. Just setting up my feeling for Brantley.

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by FlaGators on Jan 7, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough.

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- John Maynard Keynes

"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
- Jimbo Fisher

by Drew J Jones on Jan 7, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't.

My brother, sister, and mom are or were at some point teachers. There is only so much that Ridilan can do for some kids…

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

A lot of QBs suck through 13 games.

Especially when they’re coached by idiots.

Kid may or may not be cut out for college quarterbacking, but the idea that he was given anything resembling a fair shake is laughable.

Truth be told, he should’ve stuck with his Tejas commitment.

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"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
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by Drew J Jones on Jan 7, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Two words: TJ Yates

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by ricobert1 on Jan 6, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

His turnaround was rather remarkable.

by Shooter McFrattin on Jan 6, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I think JB should be ecstatic

If, as our Gator friend says, he’s beyond help, well, I know who I blame for that one.

I wonder who Brian Fortay’s lawyer was? Maybe he’s interested? Bud, why don’t you hook a brotha up?

by Sobering on Jan 6, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I’ve said on here before…I’ll give him three years to get to the SEC Title game with a serious shot at winning it and getting to the Sugar Bowl.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Three years to win the east?

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Jan 6, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

At worst. This next year, I’m willing to give the benefit…I’ll be okay with say a Citrus, Peach or Outback as it his first year.

But say the two years after that he loses in the SEC Title Game and we still get a BCS Bowl….I’d be okay with that for the first 3 years.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

You might.

I seriously doubt Jort Nation gives him 3 years just to make the SECCG though

Selgy

by mittens on Jan 6, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Have to be in the game though. Not just fodder like South Carolina.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that's reasonable

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by Jamil Dawson on Jan 6, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

doable.

3 years with the recruit hall they had last year. I know it was mostly on defense but it takes two years to gel. New Oc’s always make a splash their first couple of years. The bad thing is that there is tape on Weis and his offense he likes to run from his days at ND. The good thing is that Brantley will look like a totally different qb in the pro set without someone else calling the plays in the backfield and a one back offense.

by pb4957 on Jan 6, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I really think Weis is trying to use this as a springboard to another DI HC gig

It will be interesting to see if any big programs make him an offer, assuming his offense at UF is great (which it should be).

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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 6, 2011 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

The Weis hire confuses me.

I get that he might bring in some talent in year one with his name recognition but as a die hard ND fan I had always heard that he was terrible, not bad but terrible, in recruiting. ND, while not what it was is a lot like UF and the name alone still recruits. His assistants worked hard and he had success with the previous coaches kids but he lacked the connection to the young guys.

I also agree that he is just floating between jobs and will not stay more than 2 years. That might be all they are looking for but I see this as a poor hire at the OC spot in college football.

by pb4957 on Jan 6, 2011 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

hes brought there for Brantley. Period.

They can Target a new guy for next year.

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by Ponder This on Jan 6, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Weis in college was a disaster

And the one game that always stood out was the beat down LSU put on ND. I really need a year to evaluate the UF coaching staff, it really looks like a puzzle where the pieces don’t look like the match so you check for missing pieces in the box on or the floor.

by Burghnole36 on Jan 6, 2011 12:03 PM EST reply actions  

I remember that game.

ND’s very slow defense is probably the most to blame. Just no foot speed what so ever over the past decade on that side of the ball. As can be seen by the draft picks. Plenty of WR, TE, QB’s, and OL but very few if any on Defense.

by pb4957 on Jan 6, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

As a head coach, yes

but his offenses were quite good.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Jan 6, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know how kindly he will take to being second fiddle to a newly minted HC...no matter how attrocious his HC tenor was at ND...

"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."

by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 6, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, three of his offenses at least

2007 was historically bad. 2008 was average… for the entire FBS.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I sort of agree with this...

I really need a year to evaluate the UF coaching staff, it really looks like a puzzle where the pieces don’t look like the match so you check for missing pieces in the box on or the floor.

You can’t say it’s a bad staff, but I just don’t say “Oh, I get it” like I did when our staff came together with Jimbo.

Now, I know it would be very naive to assume Jimbo got everyone he wanted exactly, but it sure as hell seemed that way. Every piece seemed to fit, and some seemed like coups (Hudson particularly, Stoops and Gran in what could have been portrayed as almost lateral moves).

Also, none of the hires appeared to come with big risk. With the possible exception of Stoops being not long for a head coaching gig, and Eliot coming from such a small school, they seemed relatively safe bets.

Finally, I don’t think there were serious questions about recruiting with ANY of Jimbo’s hires. They were all considered good to great.

While you can make a case for why all of UF’s hires could be great, once you get past Muschamp, there are serious questions – unknown recruiter, not enough time in the college game, ego/personality mesh, incomplete resume. – across the board.

Looks like a high risk/high reward staff to me. Also makes me wonder if Muschamp can instill the the same Saban-inspired “one voice” type dictatorship over a staff like this, the way Jimbo has been able to do.

For whatever reason, too many unknowns for it to scare me right now. It’s not a sure failure by any means, but there was know way UF would have ended up with a staff that was bad on the face of it.

by LouC on Jan 6, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Weis as the quick fix?

I know that most college hires these days made with the expectation of being temporary but I question why UF would take a chance on Weis. Sure the name is nice but I just don’t see him wanting to be an OC in college for any extended amount of time. I feel like by the time they bring in players that fit his offense and install it successfully he will be moving on.

by nolejam9 on Jan 6, 2011 12:04 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

And it is not even a quick fix, what with needing a year to transition to pro style

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Jan 6, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

agree it is a last minute fix for brantley

But then you have a team full of spread players and the perfect spread quarterback coming in, who frankly doesn’t look like he has room in his head for a pro offense as he chews on his mouthpiece , though he does have lots of space between his ears.

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by Ponder This on Jan 6, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

It seems to me

that with the Muschamp & Weis hires and with Urban still hanging around, there will be way too many cooks in the kitchen & it might just implode. Kind of reminds me of our “head coach,” “executive head coach,” “assistant head coach,” etc. cluster.

by Nole33 on Jan 6, 2011 12:13 PM EST reply actions  

hahahhaha isn;t it chefs in the kitchen??

Theres always tons of cooks in the kitches ; )

by LetsGoNoles on Jan 6, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

lol. yes, fail.

Need more coffee…& brains for that matter.

by Nole33 on Jan 6, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

FWIW

I have always heard it as cooks in the kitchen. I always thought it was referring to someone’s house, where too many cooks would make it way too crowded. And…we’ve officially analyzed that saying way too much.

by TonySopraNOLE on Jan 6, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you saying that all along I had a brain of which I was not aware?

Wow, thanks wizard. Coincidentally, I was told that I also suffer from LDD.

by Nole33 on Jan 6, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

LDD?

I guess I’m the one needing more brains now. At times like these, I wish I had more cooks in my brain’s kitchen.

by TonySopraNOLE on Jan 6, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

No, it was just an obscure reference

to an old Upright Citizens Brigade skit with a character that suffered from “Little Donny Disease.” I’d post a link, but I’m not too sure if it would be considered appropriate!

by Nole33 on Jan 7, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll take our staff over theirs easy

We’re proven, they’re not. We’ve got great coaching AND great recruiting. They have one or the other. I would fear harbaugh and maybe Edsall though. I don’t fear Muschamp. i think Jimbo will stay a half-step ahead of Muchamp for sometime.

by rabidnole21 on Jan 6, 2011 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

You would fear Edsall?

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by RollNole5 on Jan 6, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL....I thought only Syracuse feared Randy Edsall.

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by DRusso97 on Jan 7, 2011 4:05 AM EST up reply actions  

The next TN phenomenon

is to write “Z” in reply to a post that is senseless, pointless, and/or worthless.

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by ricobert1 on Jan 6, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

ALMOST happens to me all the time

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Got Jokes

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahahahaaaa.... #TagLine

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by DRusso97 on Jan 7, 2011 3:42 AM EST up reply actions  

nice

was waiting for that

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by ricobert1 on Jan 6, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

it's a miracle worker.

"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."

by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 6, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I always wondered why I could not make an article turn green

Somebody else has to agree with it

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Sorry that the system won't allow you to REC yourself, Doc, but it's for the good of the site. ;-)

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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Jan 7, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait a minute!?!?!?

THE Z BUTTON DOES WHATS?!?

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by Miaminole on Jan 6, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

A little late, but nevertheless

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Jan 6, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

you are a real gentleman Frank...

God bless ya.

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by Miaminole on Jan 6, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry i hit a nerve

but i mostly access the site via smart phone—no “z” key, no “actions” option in the comments area, etc. out of sight, out of mind. back away from the ledge, buddy

by nole country for old men on Jan 7, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

really wish there was a way to use

z key on touch smart phones. If anyone knows if this is possible, let me know. I can view full website on my phone but can’t z through comments.

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I can z through comments

when using my QWERT keyboard, it just takes a second.

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by AMFKNole on Jan 7, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, looking at full site thru smart phone now

Still no “actions” and I can’t use the “z”. Oh well, I’ll try not to commit any more TN faux pas, Frank. Don’t kill yourself—game threads would be less entertaining w/out the “Hammer”

by nole country for old men on Jan 7, 2011 9:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

touch screen?

or physical key board?

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, damn.

was wondering if there was a way to bring it up and use without a text box up. Thanks though.

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't call me buddy, pal. ;-)

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
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by FrankDNole on Jan 7, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't call me pal

FRIEND!

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't call me FRIEND

SPORT!

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Jan 7, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't call me Sport, BUDDAY!

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

And for the record….Durkin (LB’s coach) is horrible. Y’all can have him. I’ll trade him straight up for a Krystal #1 with cheese.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

Don't want him

We’re set at LB coach.

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by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

no doubt….why would we want Durkin?

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jan 6, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

And I never trade away Krystal Burgers.

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by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm like Charlie Weis that way

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Too soon for fat jokes?

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by ricobert1 on Jan 6, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s never too soon for fat jokes.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep an eye on Charlie around small children

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by Dogrel on Jan 7, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

One of the most disturbing things I've ever seen.

No offense, swami…but I’d delete that if I could.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 7, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

15 year later, to his horror while looking through picture the closet, little johnny realized where his phobia of sandwiches originated.

10000 to one bet the mom isn’t the one taking that picture. 1000000000 to one he had to do without for a year if she saw that picture.

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by FSUvaFan on Jan 7, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm fat, relatively speaking, so it's okay

But don’t you skinny kids DARE start.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

nice

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by ricobert1 on Jan 6, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

You're harder to kidnap.

Look at it as a distinct advantage over your horizontally challenged brothers.

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by O-Town Nole on Jan 6, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Full Metal Jacket

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 6, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Well damn.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I was gonna say something about jorts and a thong, but I’m eating so yeah.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

maaaan. stop it.

those two words alone in tandem with weis…lets just say i’d rather take my chances with medusa. probably more personable anyways.

by buckeyeNOLE on Jan 6, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha. That’s why I didn’t continue.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Stewart Mandel had a great blurb in his mailbag today on SI.com. Especially the last line :)

I understand the concerns with Charlie Weis at Florida since his Notre Dame stint was obviously not a success. But it’s hard to argue about his offensive genius, whether in the NFL or at ND. Since he’ll be only focused on offense this time, I find it tough to believe this won’t be a success. His offense plus Will Muschamp’s lauded defense seems to be a perfect (and scary) match for a college with the recruiting capabilities of Florida.
— Barry, New York

I don’t doubt Weis will be a good offensive coordinator once he gets the necessary pieces. To me, the bigger concern is what the move says about Muschamp’s larger vision, which it sure seems is to turn the Florida football program into an NFL farm team. You’ll note that his choice of defensive coordinator, Dan Quinn, is also primarily of an NFL background. Quinn spent the past 10 years with the 49ers, Dolphins, Jets and Seahawks, and his most prominent college experience was at Hofstra.

I get what Muschamp is doing. Nearly all Florida football recruits enter college with designs on the NFL, and Muschamp can now sell them on the fact that they’ll be learning from the pros themselves. But a lot of programs have tried this, and it generally doesn’t work. See: Nebraska under Bill Callahan, Virginia under Al Groh, Notre Dame under Weis. Pete Carroll’s USC dynasty finally began to wane when he started filling his staff with more and more NFL guys. The concern is that players become more invested in their draft stock than in the success of the team.

Obviously, the single biggest difference in this case is that Muschamp himself is a college guy. As Barry said, perhaps the combination of top offensive and defensive minds with Florida talent will prove lethal. I’m more skeptical, however, to the point where I’m backing down from my earlier prediction that Florida would eventually emerge as the strongest of the Big Three under its current and newly hired coaches. Jimbo, I’m now with you.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/01/05/big-ten/index.html#ixzz1AHJpHDGz

by tuckwell on Jan 6, 2011 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

Interesting…but it isn’t like Stewart Mandel is God’s gift to college football knowledge.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I know the feeling.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

The makers of Prozac

FSU: Ending coaching careers since 2010.

by Jamil Dawson on Jan 6, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Zing!

Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.

by Caveman Mafia on Jan 6, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Or, worse yet, Lou Holtz.

"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright

by O-Town Nole on Jan 6, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

you mean

Lou Holths

"I wish you loved me as much as you love TomahawkNation!"

by freshcollegeboy on Jan 7, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yep.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Not at all

It’s just another point to consider, especially with the examples he gave of teams that tried this same sort of thing.

by tuckwell on Jan 6, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

No doubt.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

actually

the most recent example of that NFL failure would have to be the Florida Gata.

Meyer hired some NFL clowns to replace some important coaches and the Gata Nation crumbled.

Youre right about Mandel being a bad writer if he missed this ( highly entertaining) example.

by LincolnHighNole on Jan 6, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Ed I. to FIU

per CDowlar of 247sports

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by ricobert1 on Jan 6, 2011 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

oh that's where he landed

good

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Jan 6, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that guy goes big time at some point.

Really like him as a coach.

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by CornNole on Jan 6, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Did not know that Dowlar

is at 247 Sports.

Wasn’t he one of the few non-douches at WC?

by TuckNole on Jan 6, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Just hired

247 is taking everybody good.

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by ricobert1 on Jan 6, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Without the Nieman Marcus price tag though.

Or even the Wal-Mart price tag for that matter.

Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.

by mmmCheese on Jan 6, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

If TN were to cost 10x what WC costs with only a slight advantage in quality, the analogy might work.

But I hate both NM and Wallie World.

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by Drew J Jones on Jan 7, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Why oh why is this not green?

I love Nieman Marcus and I love TN. It all makes perfect sense now!

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by FSULeeBelle on Jan 6, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Condescending and elitist

sounds like me!

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by RollNole5 on Jan 6, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd for the High Fidelity reference...

what a great movie

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Jan 7, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

My thought is

how funny would it be after watching the Gators try to run Brantly on options, to see Weis try to make Driskel a pocket passer?

Driskel is capable of that, but that would be ignoring so much of his talent. Good times.

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 6, 2011 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

am i wrong in thinking that weis' O at ND always looked overmatched

when they played against a defense which was their equal athletically. with the exception of the bush push game, i can’t remember his O playing a quality D well.

by nole country for old men on Jan 6, 2011 12:55 PM EST reply actions  

bush push?

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by ricobert1 on Jan 6, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

2005

pushes his QB into endzone for win against ND

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz8rBlhSxeg

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 6, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

usc at notre dame

when bush pushed leinart in for the winning td. you don’t remember weis’ biggest win at ND? of course, it WAS a loss

by nole country for old men on Jan 6, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously don't know the bush push

or waiting for a TWSS?

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by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

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by ricobert1 on Jan 6, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

There hasn't been a bush bush since 1987....

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by DRusso97 on Jan 7, 2011 3:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Bush push* DAMMIT!!!

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by DRusso97 on Jan 7, 2011 3:50 AM EST up reply actions  

He struggled with running the ball

Chances are the offense is going to bog down at times when you struggle to run. However, it was a very good pass offense no matter who they were playing.

by evenflow58 on Jan 7, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Weis' system ...

I’ve heard that Weis runs a very complicated system. Can any verify or contradict that (I really dont know if its accurate). Also, what are the admissions hurdles at ND in relation to UF – wondering if they have the some of the same issues that UM and Big 10 schools have in terms of recruiting?

I might be reading too far into this but, if ND has is forced to follow UM/Big 10 academic standards is it fair to assume that played a roll in the players’ ability to grasp Weis’ system. Will the players UF brings in be able to handle his system. How far off am I?

by RRnole28 on Jan 6, 2011 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

UF does not

even come close to same academic restrictions as ND.

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 6, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm going to make the assumption that the players will grasp the system

but that it will be significantly dumbed down the the first couple years. Remember, Haulstead and Smith couldn’t run the right routes this year and they’ve been directly under Jimbo for a whole year leading up to this season. It’s tough for a receiver to learn a complicated offensive system his first year in it, regardless of his year in school.

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by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree that Weis will have to dumb down his

system. the question becomes for how long? Can he be successful in the long term with a dumb downed system? (i doubt UF up’s their admissions standard so Weis can run a more complicated system) Doesn’t that sort of take some of the “offensive genius” edge off him?

by RRnole28 on Jan 6, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

He'll be successful on talent

and I’d say it’s dumbed down for year one, after that it needs to be fully implemented. He could always try the drinking from a firehose approach though.

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by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

if anthony fasano

And Jeff smarja could handle it, I doubt this is an issue.

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by Ponder This on Jan 6, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Kill Everyone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy3CxhOPrd8

Some say there is a difference between football smarts and book smarts

(sorry I couldn’t find a higher quality version)

by CT_Nole on Jan 6, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

oh wow. why haven't I seen that before?

I feel like a failure in my sports movie knowledge.

by stevib on Jan 6, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

So what's the deal with Weis' son...

This was a package deal? Weis goes to UF and his son gets to work with the team as a student assistant. Is that something that typically happens in college coaching hires?

by NoleDBA00 on Jan 6, 2011 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

yeah. Ala, Trickett's older son was a GA with us and just got a full time job elsewhere

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by harper.rb on Jan 6, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks.

What do you do if they really suck at their job and need to be fired? Seems like it opens the door for a potential problem.

by NoleDBA00 on Jan 6, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see this working out for UF

A few 7-9 win seasons, nothing special. Weis leaves in 3 yrs for a HC job, Muschamp leaves the following season. NFL guys hired on that staff, struggle with the college game.

by Tony Mustian on Jan 6, 2011 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

Just seems like wishful thinking to me

I think they’ll be good again, but 2013 is when I see them actually being a problem again.

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by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Same here.

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by DRusso97 on Jan 7, 2011 3:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Talent is there, NFL coaches can coach

The question is not winning seasons, but can this staff win it all?

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by ricobert1 on Jan 6, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Moses McCray working out

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by Bud Elliott on Jan 6, 2011 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

GO TELL IT TO MOSES

wait….

Great to see. Any word on his rehab? Ahead of schedule? Almost looks like physical therapy type exercise there.

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 6, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely no atrophy

Or, rather, he has remarkably regained size in his leg.

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by ricobert1 on Jan 6, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Tons of guys blow up when rehabbing.

I was in peak shape of my life after ACL. Anquan wasn’t the beast he is now before his ACL. Frank Gore got TOO big, I think he had to lose some weight.

by arrdub on Jan 6, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I was told when I rehabbed my knee to never do leg extensions again

Is there some reason for that? Should I get back into them? Is it not worth it? When I think about it it doesn’t seem like an inherently dangerous exercise.

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by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

You either had some complications that you haven't disclosed or weren't told about,

or you had an out of touch PT.

Leg extensions shouldnt’ be done early, but they’re absolutely essential down the line. Have to have strong quads to protect the joint.

by arrdub on Jan 6, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Not aware of any physical complications

and I seem to remember my Orthopedist saying it, though he was old. Could have been my PT though, it was 12 years ago.

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by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Cool.
Just knew it didn't look like the kind of machine where you go, "LOOK HOW MUCH I CAN DO GUYS!"

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 6, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, in a way, it's precisely that type of machine.

It maps out how much torque you’re putting out, which you compare to your good leg as a baseline for performance/recovery.

by arrdub on Jan 6, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

haha, right.

Precision comparison for a reason not, “OMG I broke my back trying to max out the (insert machine here).”

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 6, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

How long since he tore the ACL?

He’s gotta be getting close to the point where he can kiss that particular rehab machine goodbye.

..and does this suggest positive/negative things relating to your suspicions about his return to the DL rotation?

by arrdub on Jan 6, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably not many snaps assuming he misses Spring Ball

But you love having guys like this on the team who are so committed to coming back after a major injury.

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by ricobert1 on Jan 6, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I asked above...

Say he got hurt in early August and surgery within a couple days of injury (typica), then Aug-Sep-Oct-Nov-Dec-Jan-Feb would be 6 months, which is the standard timeline these days for “return to sport.” When is spring slated to start?

by arrdub on Jan 6, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

question with a question - nice

Somewhere around 3/18 – at least that’s when it started this year (official practice)

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by ricobert1 on Jan 6, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

So that's most likely ~7 months out of surgery,

which should give him a reasonable chance. I don’t know if his other health issues complicate things, or if they’re even a concern anymore…. or for that matter, if linemen typically take longer to come back because of extra weight…. so I guess I have to confess it’s hard to be sure, either way.

by arrdub on Jan 6, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

One other consideration for Weiss: His health is atrocious

Dude is about 300 cheeseburgers overweight. I think he has one bad knee and a bad foot and has trouble moving around. Really like to see him try to get after the boys in Hogtown in August. I don’t know if he is quite prepared for that. Hope they keep “the Paddles” handy at practice.

Just looking at him does not instill a whole lot of repsect even though he does bring some NFL and CFB gravitas with him.

by Blue Horseshoe on Jan 6, 2011 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

Techically, a man cannot have a FUPA

In males, the area represented by a pouch of blubber that you are referring to is called a “Pannis”.

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by CornNole on Jan 6, 2011 3:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I’ve always called it “Dunlap Disease” for males.

As in….“His fat dunlaps over his belt”

But then again, I live in Tennessee so I guess it is just better in a redneck voice. Not that I have much of one.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

My Grandaddy refers to it as Dunlap as well.

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by RollNole5 on Jan 6, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

At least there is two of us.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

"Technically" speaking, a woman can't either, being that it's not an actual medical term and all.

In matters such as these, it is always best to defer to Urban Dictionary’s wisdom on the subject.

Currently, both definitions of ‘pannis’ state that it is only found on a woman.

The most popular definition of ‘fupa’ states that it is a condition that afflicts both sexes.

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by O-Town Nole on Jan 6, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Males lack the necessary anatomy for a FUPA

We lack the “P”

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by CornNole on Jan 6, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

If you can't trust the Urban Dictionary and Wikipedia

who the hell can you trust?

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 6, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

No kidding.

I always heard Pannis used as a play on just seeing a big bulge of pants where a Penis should be.

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by CornNole on Jan 6, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, you said penis.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 6, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Au contraire Corn!!!

Men possessing kangaroo pouches stuffed with blubber tend to have to-tight slacks….the seam of which tends to pull up and form the male exterior vagina.

BOOM…….FUPA.

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by DRusso97 on Jan 7, 2011 3:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I've also heard "gunt", though I suppose that runs into the same issues as FUPA

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by MikeLew on Jan 7, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Now that is awesome!

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d never heard of it. It is awesome.

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by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

He lost his lawsuit for gastric bypass malpractice

From the Boston Globe in 2007:

Former New England Patriots offensive coordinator Charlie Weis lost his lawsuit today against two surgeons who he said were negligent in treating him when he underwent gastric bypass surgery five years ago.
Weis told the jury of a grueling recovery and worries that he might have to give up his career as a football coach and his life as an active husband. To this day, Weis said, he waddles, he has limited use of his feet, and his hips ache.

by madridbend on Jan 6, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like he's complaining about his pre-op condition

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by slumgullion on Jan 6, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Weis said, he waddles, he has limited use of his feet, and his hips ache.

Sounds like he’s preggers. The gata should throw him a shower when he gets on campus.

by arrdub on Jan 6, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

He was non-compliant with his post-op instructions

Even with his own health, he was gonna do it “his way”. Quite egotistical.

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by CornNole on Jan 6, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he made good hires

I’m just glad we have a great staff in place already, and transitioning from the spread to pro-style we’ll take some time, but that defense could be real good right away with the talent they already have. Florida has a lot of talent already, I think the fans will expect results from Muschamp pretty fast though, and if he doesn’t produce in their time I could see the fan base getting frustrated quickly.

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by WinstonSalemNole on Jan 6, 2011 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

"will take some time"

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by WinstonSalemNole on Jan 6, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

QB Coach

Weis will be a great developer of college QB talent.

Weis is a freak about large finger size for his QB’s. He uses his 4 Super Bowl rings to measure the girth.

by LincolnHighNole on Jan 6, 2011 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

twss

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by Ponder This on Jan 6, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

my joke was bad enough

you just made it awful. That is the least funny TWSS ever. Go Ponder that.

by LincolnHighNole on Jan 6, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

dick

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by RollNole5 on Jan 6, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Sugar Bowl January 2007

Charlie Weiss and Brady Quinn 14
Jimbo Fisher and Jamarcus Russell 41

I like FSU’s chances

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by DocHoliday2 on Jan 6, 2011 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

Florida field in August is HOT

The wind don’t blow on Florida Field in August, unless there is a hurricane around. Weiss selected this assignment as a martyr or to lose a Hundred lbs. He won’t be there, but one year.

by rspknole1 on Jan 6, 2011 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

That's the damn truth.

UF noon games in early September are a nightmare. The ONLY good thing is that girls wear the least amount of clothing possible.

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by CornNole on Jan 6, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure that's a good thing?

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by AMFKNole on Jan 7, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Fisher to LSU?

Not to change the subject but I was listening to Paul Finebaum (XM radio) about an hour ago and he said that LSU’s number one target will be Jimbo Fisher if Les Miles goes to Michigan. I doubt it but…should we be worried?

by smnle21 on Jan 6, 2011 5:53 PM EST reply actions  

Doubt it. Makes zero sense from a career “process” stand point.

by TuckNole on Jan 6, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

He'll need a huge raise to stay

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by ricobert1 on Jan 6, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Jimbo to LSU?

I would think after everything he has preached. He would not do that. I Think he will stay. Do we need to give him a better contract? Yes, he will be the head coach at FSU for awhile. Some time’s you guy’s get a little stupid. And for the grammar police. KMA, It’s football! Your not going to make a difference behind a desk! It’s football people. Players make play’s, and coach’s make decision’s. That’s all it is. Jimbo will be at FSU for the long term.

by Danotheanimal on Jan 6, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

famous last words
Jimbo will be at FSU for the long term

Every upper level program has said that about a coach that has left them. I sure hope he’ll stay, but I’m not confident enough to say that he will without a doubt

by CT_Nole on Jan 6, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Do I think that Jimbo will leave? No.

Would I be 100% shocked if JImbo left? No

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by CornNole on Jan 6, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

There he is...hard at work.

Brings a tear to my eye.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 6, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, I actually read his post.

I’d say he was definitely asking for it…calling you out and all.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 6, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Try to see it through a cop's eyes.

He caught the guy, red-handed, for murder…can’t come down too hard for missing the jaywalking while running from him.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 6, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

It only occurred to me about half-way through what I was witnessing.

Had to think fast and throw together whatever I thought would stick. The DA’s office is always giving me crap.

by arrdub on Jan 6, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm afraid...

That’s the last we will hear from Danotheanimal. Too bad. Yeah, he could use some grammar lessons, as you have so kindly (and humorously – though not intended – supplied), but he’s just a fan giving his TCW. It’s all in good fun Danotheanimal! Sorry, had to stand up for my fellow Dano!

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by BookemDanole on Jan 7, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Man, I ain't hatin' on danotheanimal...

He asked me to dance – should I turn him down?!?!?

Grammar policing is all in good fun.

by arrdub on Jan 7, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I know, I know

It sure is good fun. And I was quite amused by the sheer number of corrections, but also impressed by the technical nature of it as well.

By the way, very nervous about starting a sentence with the word “And”.

"Awww, come on guys, it's so simple. Maybe you need a refresher course."

by BookemDanole on Jan 7, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Think you're fine for the most part.

But some people around here see bad grammar and it’s like nails on a chalkboard.

Just remember that it’s not personal. We still like you around here.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Jan 7, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you Dogrel

Some times i get a little fired up. Will keep it under control. Thanks, enjoy everything you do with TN. Did not think I would be able to sign on again? Thank you

by Danotheanimal on Jan 10, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks Bookem

I’m still here. Man they hammered me. Will read and not comment in the near future. My a$$ still hurts. Down but not out. But i can dance. Love TN and will still read and comment.

by Danotheanimal on Jan 7, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Bud, I apologize if you've already commented on this

but I’d like to hear your thoughts. Alot of chatter on this topic lately…

Personally I dont see him leaving. I like to think that our admin would pony up the extra cash to keep him around seeing he is not even at the median salary level for ACC coaches.

by Shooter McFrattin on Jan 7, 2011 7:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I used to worry about this but now strongly believe FSU has fisher for at least 5 years barring some offer of like $6M or something.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Jan 12, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly

I’ve read and heard so much about Coach Fisher being an FSU fan growing up. I think that he deserves more scratch based on what other schools are stupidly willing to pay BUT, at some point, the fact that he’s got “the job” that he wanted, more than any other, has to have some value, doesn’t it? The economy is what it is. It’s going to get better, some day, but that day ain’t now. Or tomorrow, either.

If Coach Fisher is interested in money and nothing else, then he should head off to “greener pastures.” But if he’s willing to still earn more money than 100 coal miners in West Virginia combined, to coach a kid’s game, at the one place he wanted to be more than any other, raise his family in a wonderful place that has a much lower cost of living than where Coach Golden landed, he may just have to be willing to not have quite the largest 1040 in the country.

If he’s as smart as I like to give him credit for, he won’t concern himself over whether another coach is making 500K more than him here or there. He’ll do what will make him very happy and be ultra successful at it. At FSU, he will be the second winningest coach of all time in another 4 to 5 years! He can’t do that elsewhere. He may be able to coach his way into the Hall of Fame wherever he goes, but at FSU, unless there is a disaster, he’ll almost certainly get there.

The FSU isn’t the best paying job in the country. But it’s a helluva lot better than working for a living, like the average booster does. I believe that Coach Bowden always snickered a little bit that Coach Spurrier actually made a few dollars more per year than he did, which was smart on his part.

Maybe it’s because I love FSU, but I can’t imainge leaving FSU for there, for the difference in money that it would mean. Doesn’t even take into consideration what Baton Rouge, the city, is like right now….

by Sobering on Jan 7, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Comparing salaries between industries doesn't really work, and this "kids game" brings in tens of billions of dollars a year.

If it looks like head coaches are being paid like CEOs, it’s because that’s what they are, just under a different name. As for coaches “not working for a living,” go ask their wives about that. These coaches sure do put a lot of hours in at the office just looking at their navels if what you say is true.

Jimbo may like Tally as a nice place to live, but the “he should want to stay” game can be played both ways: lots of other college towns are nice places to live too, and Fisher doesn’t have any inherent loyalty to the ‘Noles.
More to the point, money talks. If he’s doing a good job, the school should pay him a competitive salary and do what it can in other areas to make sure he does stay. We did it with Bowden-his pay was in the top 10 of HC salaries right up until the end-we need to do it with Fisher.
Fisher’s pay right now is about right for a first-time HC at a big school. If he gets a few years of results under his belt, his status will change from “first-time HC” to “proven winner.” His pay should change accordingly. A good school doesn’t let a $500k discrepancy open up between Fisher and coaches of similar achievement levels.
For better or worse, this is the way the game is played. If we don’t play it, we’re going to lose good coaches to administrative stupidity.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Jan 7, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think you need to read everything I wrote

I think we’re going to pay him and pay him well. But I’m not real interested in seeing us being held hostage by what other schools do, either. I’ve coached, I’ve played. I know how hard they work. Really, I get it.

I also know that they make 10 times what your average oncologist makes and they don’t “work” as hard. Or do something nearly as important, much as I love the game.

My point is, I hope we have a guy that’s here because here is where he wants to be, end of story.

I would suggest to compare the situation to, say Cliff Lee. Yeah, money talks. But he left MILLIONS sitting on the table to not go to the Yankees. And he evaluated the situation completely.

I’m sure in some regards, his agent threw a fit. But I suspect that Cliff did what will make him happy. And this is coming from someone who grew up a Yankees fan, as well as, works on a contingency basis most of the time.

by Sobering on Jan 7, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

We need to update his contract AND throw in an obscene buyout.

We are the ones who took the shot on Jimbo. LSU chose Miles. We arent going to give him up just because (in typical Louisiana fashion) they showed up late to the party.

Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole

by Miaminole on Jan 6, 2011 6:24 PM EST reply actions  

Interesting contrast in appraoces

from two former Sabanites.

Jimbo went out and got all guys from football programs lower on the food chain than his, early in their careers, trusted his evaluations and then hired them.

Muschamp when out and got guys from football programs higher on the food chain than his.

Point of contrast: Muschamp going NFL heavy and Jimbo not even giving Romeo Crennel an interview.

by TuckNole on Jan 6, 2011 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

Let's hope there are other differences, too

And that the different forms of approaching “the” process lead to vastly different results.

by Invictus13 on Jan 7, 2011 7:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Muschamp's Biggest Mistake

was agreeing to come aboard with Urbie still sitting in an office down the hall.

by Jersey Nole on Jan 6, 2011 9:16 PM EST reply actions  

I have issues with that as well. Urban needs to leave. If you ain’t the coach anymore…get the heck away.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm curious if you know the reasoning behind this

Does Foley want him around? Is Urbie that much of a control freak? Or maybe incapable of completely walking away?

Bring back Jeff Bowden...as a pińata.

by TheNole9Yards on Jan 6, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no idea. They (UAA) have stayed quiet on the issue. Other than the construction/renovation of his new office. Which is apparently quite close to Muschamps office.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Dang, No pressure, Will.

I can see it now:

“Just…in case you ever need advice from someone with the perspective of A TWO-TIME NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP WINNER, AN 82% WINNING PERCENTAGE,….or, you know, just to talk over coffee, my door’s always open!”

-Urban Meyer

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Jan 6, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

But why go talk to urbie, if will muschamp needs advice?

That’s what charlie weis is there for – that decided schematic advantage.

by Invictus13 on Jan 7, 2011 7:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep. It’s a mistake.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Jan 7, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

One thing that Bobby got right at the end…when he finally left…was LEAVING.

by PoseidoNole on Jan 7, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

the next Nole

Coach Coley said “PUT THE SPEAR TO YOUR EAR”!!! Looks like somebody is my be ready to be a Seminole!

by NOLE-OLOGY on Jan 6, 2011 11:03 PM EST reply actions  

Aha!

Only a CLOWN would hold a spear right upside his own ear,

Or perhaps he knows the time draws near a lad flies in upon a LEAR?

Rhymes are phun.

by tuckwell on Jan 7, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Looks to me like the differences between our statffs can be summarized this way:

We both started with Saban coordinators.

Ours is the dynamic, creative spark that drives the program. He’s been recruiting FL for 3 years and has surrounded himself with like-minded and dynamic men who were accomplished elsewhere and have the hunger of bright young men on the upward trajectory of their careers. Several will be head coaches. Although Jimbo turned the D over to 2 proven coordinators, he’s intimately involved, even in practice drills. Seeing a lot of similarities in each other, they worked well together immediately.

UF’s HC is more conservative by nature, not a creative change agent. He hired a much older and more experienced guy to lead the O side of the team— a guy with an ego who failed at HC at the most visible program in the country, who wants to be in charge again, but who must now take a step back and defer to the inexperienced young pup who is trying to learn on the job. The fact that WM would create that bad dynamic calls his insight and judgment into question already. He’s rounded out the staff with yeomen coaches. Does WM have the knowledge to involve himself with the O side at all, or will he defer entirely to Wies, further convincing Weis that he should be the alpha dog? I just can’t see this ending well.

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by PeachTreeNole on Jan 7, 2011 6:51 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

This opinion

is obviously not in anyway slanted toward the team of your preference…come on. Jimbo is “dynamic”, and “drives the program”, while Muschamp is “conservative”, and not a “change agent”. I give you credit for being able to take the cover letter of your resume, and turn into a post about football, but please tell me where these incredible insights come from?

by Cardsfan25 on Jan 7, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Alright, Skippy, since you ask:

20 years practicing law.
10 years in the corporate world, from start-ups to major corporations..
An MBA with specific coursework in organizational change managment.
Hands-on, EVP level managment experience.
Observations of Fisher, his actvities at FSU, and his personality.
Knowledge that most defensive coordinators are conservative by nature— that’s why they coach defense.
Knowledge about Weis’ reputation, age and experience as compared to Mushchamp’s.

I know a little about people, and how they lead, follow and function in organizations. Excuse if I don’t give a flip whether you accept my opinions on this subject.

proud graduate of the Uncle Rico Quarterback Camp

by PeachTreeNole on Jan 7, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Haha, you called him Skippy

I’ll give you a rec’d just for that. I couldn’t care less about all the business world mumbo jumbo, though.

FSU, the 2010 Florida and South Carolina state champs.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 7, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Weiss

IMO, since Weiss has had a gatric bypass operation and then had troubles afterwards. He is a medical liability and the Chiefs are a small operation and his medical problems would effect their medical cost, they told him to look somewhere else. State of Florida will end up picking up this tab and spreading over all the people that work for the state.

by rspknole1 on Jan 7, 2011 8:55 AM EST reply actions  

That's what I was saying about his health being a liability.

Watch videos of Jimbo or Trick at practice or probably most OC’s, and they are out there sweatin’ and barking and moving around getting hands on. I can’t see Weiss lasting more than 10 minutes in 95 degree 85% humidity of August practices. What’s he gonna do…sit his ass in a golf cart…if it could hold him? Bark commands from up in a scissor lift? That is going to have to impact his ability to impart his Offense on his turd players. Although if Friedgen with all his girth could do it maybe Weiss can too.

by Blue Horseshoe on Jan 7, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

The Turds UAA should build him a tower with A/C.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Jan 7, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Sail barge.

Bring me Driskel and the Wookie!

"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright

by O-Town Nole on Jan 7, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

OK that made me laugh!

Don't you know that any Southern Girl worth her salt is a football fan?

by FSULeeBelle on Jan 7, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

and an elevator!

Florida State 45 Miami 17
Florida State 31 Florida 7
State Champions
ACC Atlantic Division Champions

by SeminoleMike on Jan 7, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Charlie Weiss doesn't scare mw in the least.

His offense is too complicated for the college game. It is damn near unstoppable in the NFL, but college kids only have a limited amount of time to absorb his “Tale of Two Cities” thick playbook. I think the best scheme for a college offense is simple, but effective. I’d rather run 15 plays well than 150 poorly.

by Nole Resurrected on Jan 7, 2011 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

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