Seminole Slant: Florida Gator Coaching Hires
Let's take a moment to discuss the coaching hires made by new Florida Gator coach Will Muschamp. Muschamp elected to keep Stan Drayton (running backs), D.J. Durkin (linebackers), and Brian White (tight ends). Those guys are being kept primarily for recruiting purposes and staff continuity.
Charlie Weis (Offensive Coordinator)
As you might know, Florida hired Charlie Weis to be its offensive coordinator. We do know that Weis is an excellent offensive mind, but a bad head coach. Much like Norv Turner or Wade Phillips, he is a guy who hasn't been able to successfully transition from excellent coordinator to head coach. But he won't be asked to do so at UF.
Given a competent veteran quarterback, Weis' offenses regularly lit up the box scores. With Brady Quinn in 2005-06 and the more seasoned version of Jimmy Clausen in 2009 – as opposed to the overwhelmed freshman-in-the-headlights version of 2007 – the Irish unleashed top-10 passing attacks that averaged upwards of 30 points per game. In fact, Weis' attack finished ahead of or in a dead heat with Urban Meyer's spread option machine at Florida in terms of total offense in all three of those seasons, including the Gators' BCS Championship run in 2006 and Tebow-led march to a 13-1 finish in 2009. - Matt Hinton
Still, there are questions of fit here. Will Muschamp is a rookie head coach. Is he bringing a personality in that he cannot handle? People say Weis is abrasive and egotistical. Can a rookie head coach control him? NFL people say Weis was likely not going to be welcomed back in Kansas City after the season.
Another concern is his recruiting. Weis' staff routinely brought in very good classes to Notre Dame, but those close to the program say he was not a good recruiter himself. As a head coach, he couldn't make many recruiting visits due to NCAA rules. But as an offensive coordinator, he will have to make many more visits. It will be interesting to see how he recruits. As you will see below, UF might already be compensating for his lack of recruiting ability by hiring some good recruiters at other positions-- even at the expense of coaching ability.
I also wonder how he will be received if his first season doesn't go well. He should receive a free year to install his offense and go away from the spread attack UF ran under Meyer. But will he? The system isn't something that these spread kids will be able to easily transition to and expecting this UF offense to be dominant in his first season is unrealistic. One key will be whether he goes with the star freshman QB Jeff Driskel, or with the pocket passer in John Brantley. Brantley clearly has arm talent and was betrayed by Meyer. While Brantley is likely the better option for immediate success, Driskel will provide the fanbase with a reason for greater leniency. If everything goes right, I do think UF has the pieces to perhaps have an offense equal to Florida State, which has produced one of the best ten offenses in the country in back-to-back years, by 2012.
Aubrey Hill (Wide Receivers)
Hill is a former Gator star who coached the last few years at Miami. I was not particularly impressed with his work at Miami. His receivers were not very good and Leonard Hankerson only emerged after becoming best friends with Mark Duper over the summer. Hill is being brought in primarily as a recruiter. I was not impressed with his recruiting at Miami, but there is another example here that is on point: Clint Hurt. Hurt was Miami's recruiting coordinator and Canes cheered when he left for Louisville, as they said he was a poor recruiter. For the Canes, he was. But for Louisville, Hurt is killing it. That leads me to believe that Hill may actually be a pretty good recruiter. Why? Because of the difficulties the staff at Miami had that had nothing to do with recruiting ability and everything to do with restrictions placed upon them. This hire of Hill is clearly to target South Florida, an area Florida State dominated this year. Hill is 33 years old.
Frank Verducci (Offensive Line)
Really don't have information on Verducci. He was with Hayden Frye for 10 years before a long stint in the NFL, which is a plus in my eyes. Eleven of the last 12 years in the NFL, however, doesn't do much for me. NFL guys know how to block and need fine-tuning. College linemen often have no idea how to block when they come in and are simply big bodies. Insert standard notes about teaching and the 20-hour rule here. I'm sure Verducci is a fine coach. At this point, I lack enough information about this hire to say anything more. Verducci is 50 years old.
Dan Quinn (Defensive Coordinator/ Defensive Line)
I suspect that Quinn is being brought in as "defensive coordinator" in title only. Many good college coaches, including FSU's Jimbo Fisher, call the plays and run one side of the ball while allowing an assistant to hold the title of "coordinator" to get a raise in pay for that assistant. I suspect that is what will happen here as Muschamp will likely call his own defense. Quinn is considered a good defensive line coach, and he's worked with Muschamp before when Muschamp was with the Dolphins. He has been out of the college game, however, for ten years and has never recruited in D1 football. He will join UF after the Seattle Seahawks get bounced from the playoffs. I think this is probably a pretty good hire. Quinn is about 39 years old.
Travaris Robinson (Defensive Backs)
Robinson is 29 years old and this hire screams "South Florida recruiting." Robinson has three years of college coaching experience, plus two as a graduate assistant at Auburn, where he played defensive back. His most recent stop is Texas Tech with Tubberville. He has coached under Muschamp before, at Auburn, and has also worked with Tubberville. He will undoubtedly be a good recruiter with his youth, swagger, and knowledge of the Miami area. I have no idea about his coaching ability.
Final Thoughts
This staff will clearly push the "NFL" angle to kids. I expect them to recruit very well, but I really would have expected any Florida staff to do so as UF pretty much recruits itself. The greater question in my mind is how well some of these NFL guys will adjust to the college game. The college game is different, both in rule and scope. Coaches only get twenty hours per week with these kids. College coaching is more about being efficient than it is thorough, though both are obviously required for greatness. You also have to have concerns about the mesh with these guys, as with any staff. My early impression here is that Muschamp did a good but not great job with this staff. It doesn't really make me say "wow", but I also don't look at it and say "oh man, he messed up."
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I’m hoping Weis clashes with Muschamp and ruins Driskel in the next 2 years.
The best is yet to come. Go Noles!
Anybody watching the UA game could rightfully conclude that Jeff Driskel ruined Jeff Driskel.
After a bad week of practice, even the biggest Gators aren’t saying he redeemed himself in the actual game.
Anybody else think he is rated so highly simply because he is “somewhat” reminiscent of Tebow??
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OK, good.....because I didn't watch one single snap.
I just wanted to know what it would feel like to completely talk out of my ass for a change….
You know…OFF stage.
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Weis
I have no opinion about the other hires, but I think Weis is a risky move. Mr. “Decided Schematic Advantage” has a colossal ego that might keep him from working with a much younger head coach. Plus, the offense has been in disarray, and whoever tries to shape the talented skill players up will need patience and some buy-in. I don’t think Weis has the people skills to do that quickly.
OTOH, he may be just the rigtht coach to salvage Brantley.
(Try to) be honest: who is a better
- offensive mind: Jimbo or Weiss?
- defensive mind: Stoops or Muschamp?
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
Jimbo and Muschamp
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by Jamil Dawson on Jan 6, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
This has been discussed before and I honestly don't understand it.
Why are people (not just you) quick to say Muschamp > Stoops? His first year work at FSU may be slightly over blown as I suspect anyone could’ve made significant improvement. Mark did a fine job with limited talent at UA (top 25). Muschamp had much better talent to work with at UT and regularly had top 10-20 units.
So, I don’t get the definite statement about Muschamp being better. I think they’re both very good and going head-to-head, with similar talent will reveal the truth.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 6, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Ultimately it's subjective
At this point Muschamp is slighty better IMO but it’s close. What Stoops did in year 1 was nothing short of amazing but Will has been doing it on a bigger stage for a longer period of time so I give him the edge albeit a slight one.
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Think anyone seriously saying one is better than the other as coordinators is being silly. Jimbo does have one year of experience on Will though.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Close calls
I say Jimbo – based on doing a bit more with a bit less than Weis had at ND
probably Muschamp, but hard to be sure because Stoops was starting in a deep hole of coaching malpractice. – ask again in two years
weis won't be there in two years....mark it down.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 6, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
I said the exact same thing about Mark Whipple
Let’s hope you are right too. Charlie Weiss is the Cheeseburger Walrus
by NationWideNole on Jan 6, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
he'll be there 4 years at lease
his son starts going to UF this year. I heard that he will be an undergrad assist bc he wants to be a coach like his daddy! I’ll bet Weis is there for at least 4 years while his son goes to school and helps out with the team.
by ajm05j on Jan 6, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no way, he's taking this position to get his college cred back, soon he will be moving to a HC somewhere.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 6, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
He makes enough money
that he can probably buy. No need to lease.
Your right
unless he decides to bunk up in the dorm with his son… then he’ll lease. But I’m not sure those dorm beds can fit/hold him.
If any of UF's older dorms are anything like FSU's Smith Hall, they could
Mmmm…thin mattresses on concrete. My back remembers those days.
Now, whether those bed alcoves are WIDE enough for Weis is another matter entirely.
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I agree he has enough money where he can buy instead of least, but my question is;
Isn’t he still also collecting money from Notre Dame?
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Thought they bought out his contract when they fired him.
But I could be wrong.
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Being paid 4.5 million per year for four years I believe
His total buyout was 18 million
by westcoastnolefan on Jan 8, 2011 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
To be honest
Will Muschamp knows that Will Muschamp is much better. Also, Will Muschamp will not clash with Will Muschamp’s subordinate, Charlie Weis, just as Will Muschamp does not clash with Will Muschamp.
by Nole33 on Jan 6, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
In the college game -- Jimbo.
I’m not sure Jimbo’s offense would translate well to the NFL, but between the two I think Jimbo has the clear advantage in college ball.
Defensively, I’d have to see more of both, and I wouldn’t trade Stoops for Muschamp until Muschamp proved a lot more.
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by Drew J Jones on Jan 6, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think Jimbo has a very NFL O
Short efficient passing game, attacking the weaknesses of the D.
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I think his offense is great for college
Most offense’s in the NFL are similar to each other save for maybe 2 or 3. Jimbo’s offense would imo be stagnant after a few years of being scouted.
by Legal_Seminole on Jan 6, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Someone refresh my memory....
as to any recent very successful college head coaches who jumped to the NFL and had a lot of success at the next level….. I’m having trouble thinking of any.
Sample size
6 in the past 9 seasons? Almost all to horrible teams.
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by FLpanhandler on Jan 7, 2011 6:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
There are probably things Jimbo would tweak for the NFL, but he could definitely suceed as an offensive coordinator in the NFL.
His offense is multiple enough and flexible enough that he could definitely adapt to the NFL. Whether he could be a NFL head coach is a different matter.
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by Jamil Dawson on Jan 6, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
HAHA
Wow typical seminole here you beat us for the first time since 2003 and you think urban legend is retiring cuz of yall HAHA whatever makes you sleep better at night buddy GO GATORS
P.S. enjoy it cuz next year yall will be starting another losing streak to us
by IfUaInTaGaToRuGaToRbAiT on Jan 7, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Save this post. We should save all posts like these to display in a victory post.
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Have fun with that culture of tantrums (Meyer) and crying (Tebow and Meyer) you'r left with at UF.
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we don’t know at this point
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Bud, our coaches recruit for our scheme and who dits in at FSU…. It’s not based on being a 4 or 5 star
hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard
by lawj on Jan 6, 2011 6:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm no expert,
But I’d be really surprised if ours were WORSE
by nole country for old men on Jan 6, 2011 11:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Changed surprised with scared
bc FSU staff was some of the best this year
Well
as Bud stated….Florida will recruit itself….however, those players will need to be developed….that’s where the pavement hits the road….and I’m not so sure this staff is capable of maximizing the talent it will bring in…
In other words….these hires do not scare me….at all.
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That’s good. People were saying the same thing when Meyer got there. Spread won’t work, those players can’t be developed for that system…etc.
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Well I still fail to see what a bunch of receivers under 6'0 can do in a pro style offense
But I don’t doubt that UF will develop their players from here on. I just think you guys are a recruiting class or two from the correct personnel offensively. D will carry you to your wins next year.
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Meh. The D loses a lot. So who knows how that is going to work out. And Weis did some good things with WR’s that weren’t all that big. Golden Tate is 5’10" at best.
The Once and Future King
Oh ya, all prognostications are pre-bowl
Since you can’t KNOW who you will face in the bowl.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
The spread work 3 out of 6 years and only when you had a Heisman winner running it - and really only the two years you had Harvin as the escape hatch too
the D was good 4 out of 6 years
Yeah. If those are the runs and we get two national titles, two sec titles, a heisman, a shot at a third SEC championship….I’ll take that every time, and give me a new coach every six years.
The Once and Future King
Don't forget Mullen was there too
Tebow never looked comfortable with Addazio even though you were 12-0 before SEC championship with strong offensive stats.
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Yeah. That year was so damn stressful. Nobody was comfortable. I feel so bad for Temple.
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I don't-Caveat Emptor, baby
There’s enough film out there on Addazio that Temple ought to know what they’re getting by now.
If they don’t, they’ll learn soon enough.
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It is entirely possible that Addazio will be a better HC than OC
They require different skill sets. I can see it working if Addazio hires an OC and is content to just work with the OL and be the head guy.
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lol i feel bad for temple to addazio was an idiot ive never seen such horrible play calling
by IfUaInTaGaToRuGaToRbAiT on Jan 7, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
If there was ever a situation for arrdub....this is it.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 8, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Yea
and Weiss didn’t have to face SEC defenses at ND on a consistent basis….
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But he put up really good adjusted numbers
However, the point is there, that he put up good adjusted numbers against guys who just were probably built differently. SEC seems to be at the forefront of the bigger is better defensive mentality, meaning for the first time we can expect Weis to have to coach against bigger corners and gigantic DEs.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
when does size matter look at percy harvin he murdered yall all 3 years he was there but if you wanna talk size here are a few examples 1.Stepen Alli 6’5 (freshman) 2. Quinton Dunbar 6’2 (freshman) 3. Justin Williams 6’1 (freshman) 4. JaJuan Story 6’3 (Incoming Recruit) so how are we a class or two from correct personnel? And we got the baddest incoming QB named Jeff Driskel
by IfUaInTaGaToRuGaToRbAiT on Jan 7, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
when does size matter look at percy harvin he murdered yall all 3 years he was there but if you wanna talk size here are a few examples 1.Stepen Alli 6’5 (freshman) 2. Quinton Dunbar 6’2 (freshman) 3. Justin Williams 6’1 (freshman) 4. JaJuan Story 6’3 (Incoming Recruit) so how are we a class or two from correct personnel? And we got the baddest incoming QB named Jeff Driskel
by IfUaInTaGaToRuGaToRbAiT on Jan 7, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Judging by your incredible command of the English language
it would be pointless to attempt arguing with someone of such high intelligence.
Go Gata!
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 8, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Urban's timing had a lot to do with his success...
When Meyer arrived…FSU was 5 years into its downward slide, Bama stunk and was Saban-less, the Canes were firing Coker, the SEC was weaker overall. LSU was the only rival that was arguably a bigger roadblock (on the field or the recruiting circuit). I’m not saying Urban isn’t a quality coach…he absolutely is…but his timing was perfect. And as soon as the heat got turned up…he jumped ship. Muschamp & Co absolutely will face far tougher competition.
by PoseidoNole on Jan 6, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Y’all have a lot of fun in blaming Urban’s success on that timing garbage. Keep it up. It’s always good for a laugh or two. Y’all act like that was the main factor…give it a rest. Makes y’all sound cheap, arrogant…all that stuff.
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It would have been easy without your toughest game at the end of the season laying down for you 5 times in a row?
You won two titles while we had a geriatric at the helm. That’s not arrogance, that’s facts.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Meh. We had the teams to win those games anyway. Did Bobby being on that Ebay too much allow for some of those kids to go to UF. Sure. I’m not denying that. But I fully believe Urban would have won one of them whether FSU was ranked 3rd or 30th. In 2006, that was just our year. 2008…teams had chances.
The Once and Future King
2006 was just your year?
You escaped from Doak 21-14. We were awful. With a legitimate coaching staff that could very well have been the title you lost because we were fielding a competitive team. I think you deserve bunches of credit, but just like FSU points out that we started our run when you guys went on probation and continued it while Miami was on it all in the ACC, you have to accept that the SEC wasn’t all it could be when Urban took the wheel and FSU was only running at 100% for one year during his tenure.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
That’s what I mean. It was just our year. South Carolina a blocked FG. Winning in Doak. We had a lot of close games. Won them all, except for one. Thus…it was our year.
The Once and Future King
Without Percy Harvin, you lose 3 more games in 06.
And with a competent coaching staff, Harvin would have been in Tallahassee.
These are all hypotheticals, but I have a lot of confidence in that particular line.
Really?
You don’t think it had anything to do with his success at UF? At all?
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No. I think it had some, but not even remotely close to the amount that I see on here.
The Once and Future King
by "amount that I see on here" mean the handful of posts above your comment?
this is the first time Ive ever seen this argument come up in debate.
of course its not the sole reason for Urbans success and youve admitted that it had something to do with it.
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I’ve seen it said plenty of times. And yeah, I just think it boils down to a credit issue. Y’all being FSU fans, don’t want to give full credit for just the Gators being top dog. There has to a main reason, a fault, a theory, something like that for it to happen. It can’t be, according to y’all that Urban Meyer worked his butt off for years to get the head coaching job, recruit like a mad-man and assemble a great coaching staff and win even better than Spurrier did.
It’s all a matter of opinion. Y’all are going to believe one way…I’m going to believe another. I’ve said what I think of that view and y’all have said what you think of my view. We are opposing fans…ain’t gonna agree on everything. :)
The Once and Future King
Im not talking about any of that.
I was asking what you meant when you said
ut not even remotely close to the amount that I see on here.
so my question is, other than the few comments that proceeded yours, when has this ever come up?
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Oh I would have no idea. Various articles on here, Alligator Army. I would have no idea on how to find links.
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well, my point is you seem to think that everyone here thinks the sole reason for UF success is FSU and the SEC under-performing
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I would also add that I think it's certainly a contributing factor
Though not THE entire factor. Credit where credit is due – Mullen and Strong both helped develop a good Florida team; on the other hand, FSU and UM were pretty much asleep at the wheel for much of the past decade. I think both sides can give each other a little bit on those points.
The fact of the matter is is that it’s hard to gauge this question accurately. For example, if we imagine Bobby as, oh, 20 years younger, but in the same timeframe, would the same contingencies exist? I realize that puts us into MNC-dynasty time, but I’m trying to think of putting 90s-era Bobby into 2008 season, for example. NOT Bobby vs. Spurrier and that’s all that mattered like it did in the 90s. We all know how much things have changed since then.
No doubt UF wouldn’t have dominated recruiting like it did, but even then you get into questions of coaching competence, program infrastructure, schematics, etc.
Interesting thought exercise, though.
I'm going to have to echo that sentiment, even though I'm in the FSU camp on this one.
It’s been talked about in threads other than this one before.
It's definitely come up. Multiple times.
I also agree with it. The fact that FSU and UM were way down had a lot to do with uf’s recent run.
But, in all fairness, we have also acknowledged that the probations of UM and uf had a big factor in the start of our own dynasty.
This
IMO, its not arrogance, its just calling it as it is. We have acknowledged that we benefited from UM and UF being on probation having an effect on our run like Invictus says.
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Timing Issue
Is very relevant and talked about around here because we have a new coaching staff. The relevancy is in how our rebuilding process is going and the competitive forces (like a lack of competition from in state teams, recruiting, etc.) that speed up or slow down success. I don’t think anyone here thinks that the gata wouldn’t have won anything if we had better teams, but I think everyone agrees that if FSU and SEC East were clicking on all cylinders that the gata would not have had quite the run you had.
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we say it because it's accurate
The overall quality of UF’s competition (on the field and recruiting) was significantly less than it is now. It was absolutely RIPE for Urban. Neither FSU nor the SEC were remotely as strong then as they are now. Does it diminish the accomplishment? I suppose so. Does it sound like sour grapes? Probably. But it’s accurate. UF made the most of the opportunity…even in spite of losing a game each year…it’s a rare thing to win 2 NC’s in 3 years. I’m just sooo thankful that the gators didn’t put a final stamp on the decade…the 2009 SEC title game is an all-time favorite (non FSU). If UF had won that one…it would have capped a run for the ages…and been all-time bragging rights.
To give credit where credit is due, as much as I hate to admit it, Florida put themselves in a position to take advantage of our downfall.
Just because the recruits were not coming to Tallahassee does not mean they had to go to Florida and Florida could have retained Zook for a couple more years. Would Meyer have had the success he had without Florida State being asleep at the wheel. It’s doubtful. But they did what they had to do to exploit the situation to maximum advantage.
Just like Jimbo's doing at FSU right now.
So glad the ’Noles have good coaching again…
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absolutely UF put itself into position...
the point is that Meyer walked into an absolutely enviable situation. Down rivals, down SEC, crappy predecessor, relatively lowered expectations from fan base, cupboards very full (Zook recruited very well). It’s a whole different situation for Muschamp. If he somehow has the same success as Meyer in his first 5 years..the achievement will be much more impressive (assuming the SEC and FSU remain strong). Who would you rather play and recruit against? 2005 Bama/Auburn/FSU/South Carolina/etc/etc….or 2010 Bama/Auburn/FSU/South Carolina/etc? LSU may be the only program that was just as good or slightly better back then (arguable). Maybe crummy UGA. Aside from that…it’s a MUCH tougher slate. It’s a no brainer. Meyer’s timing was fantastic… It doesn’t mean he’s not a great coach…he is…errr…was.
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Supreme. Worthy. Superior. Ultimate. Superlative. Magnificent. Wonderful. Fabulous. Fantabulous? Stupendous. Astounding. Astonishing. Fantastic. Stunning. Amazing. Breathtaking. Deistic? August. Esteemed. Honored. Revered. Admired. Fantastic. Imposing. Majestic. Grand. Eminent. Imposing. Triumphant. Victorious. The Once and Future Dominant. Proud. Conquering…
Seriously, dude, if you need help with some adjectives to describe us, I’m here for ya. Always willing to lend a spear.
by Invictus13 on Jan 6, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol they beat us for the first time since 03 and they think they are on top again typical seminoles
by IfUaInTaGaToRuGaToRbAiT on Jan 7, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Had to Rec this
The success, shortcomings, progress and regression of its in state and conference rivals had as much or more to do with with UFs success than Meyer did. Also look at the conference schedule since Meyer arrived. Before 2010 UF had not played Bama in conference play since ’06, has not played AU since ’07, these are two of the tougher SEC West schools.
If you take away
their good years because we were down, the reverse could easily be true. Miami was on probation for many of our best recruiting years and Spurrier was lazy.
The fact of the matter is, some of college football success is based on random accidents of place and time. If you start begrudging one team for it, you have to begrudge all of them.
That's what I'm saying
The success ALL football programs have or do not have is a result of their rivals and conference opponents as much as it is a result of coaching. Yes you could say the same of FSU and many other schools, but to say that Meyer was the dominant reason for their success is off IMO.
But it's a meaningless comment then, no?
It’s like saying that the only reason Team X was good was because they had good players. It’s just a generalization that applies to mostly all good teams.
Statement was made that Meyer's success was timing
I agree with this. I think his success had more to do with the decline of FSU, UM, UT, UGA and a great schedule than it did his coaching genius.
Auburn
How can Auburn be so good if Alabama is also so tough? Oh I know, FlaGatas, it’s because Auburn had an ex UF player leading their team yeah that’s it…..
Another riddle...
If the SEC is so tough, how can it possibly have an undefeated team 2 years in a row?
For example, Stewart Mandel was jabbing at the ACC’s winning bowl record and made some comment the effect"…but it was over team’s like Tennessee." Tennessee is in the SEC, right?
No need to be scared, but Florida has potential in these coaches
They could work awesome together, they could flop. We will have to see
that's the thing
I think it’ll be somewhere in the middle….
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By 2012 you think they will be able to equal our offense?
The transition will be that quick? With a true sophomore QB and only one years worth of recruits for a pro-style offense? I could understand thinking that by 2013 they’d be caught up and I get that they are talented, but 2012 seems early for an offense in transition to catch up to one that’s been in a system for 5 years at that point.
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Driskel is really, really talented. They should return 7 or 8 offensive starters in 2012.
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EJ Manuel + 7 (possibly 8) returning starters on offense for FSU
Just seems to me like we should still have a slight edge there. If not, I sure hope our defense has passed theirs by then with 5 Senior Starters + 1 XR27 + several 5 star LBs.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Clarify EJ would be one of those 7 or 8 returning starters.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
I said "if everything goes right" and "perhaps"
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I saw Driskel at the UAAG and was not impressed
He doesn’t run as hard as Tebow but has some moves. Has a good arm, but not a gun.
He’s Trey Burton with better arm strength. That’s all
That evaluation is a joke. I saw him in practice this week. It is a gun and he has tremendous skills.
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In the game last night
Driskell did hit a receiver on the run and the ball went 60 yartds
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Now that’s what I’m talking about! I haven’t seen a throw like that from a Gator QB since Chris Leak in 2006.
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Did his receiver drop it too?
j/k
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 6, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
True or False?
Driskel can hit the broad side of a barn.
False, Los just walked that pass into the endzone.
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I still wonder if Driskell will end up baseball
I know what they said last night. But for anyone familiar with Perfect Game, they rate him a 10.0. His OF velo is over 90, and he can absolutely run.
Will someone throw a great big bag of money at him?
Joe Mauer seemed to like football a lot, too. Not that Driskel is Joe Mauer, after all, there’s only two Joe Mauers. The other one’s name is Buster!
I posted this in the recruiting thread a couple of weeks ago
Driskel is 94 from the outfield and runs a 6.59 sixty, those are tools that cannot be coached and are highly rewarded in the MLB draft. Would not be surprised one bit if he’s a late 1st rounder, which would entail quite a large sum of money
94 from the OF? What does that mean?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 6, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
throws 94mph
from the outfield…I played college baseball…CF…I consistently ran 6.6’s in the sixty……6.5 out of HS is BOOKING IT for someone his height…(I’m 6 1/2)…
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That's what I thought, but he said he IS 94.
I was a little confused. I played CBB too, but in the 90’s. Lots of things have changed…thought maybe there was some new stat they keep.
I wonder, much like FB, are those 60 times legit? Handheld stopwatch? I ran in the 6.7 range and occasionally turned in a sub 6.7. I KNOW those weren’t legit.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 6, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
If his 60 time comes from Perfect Game, they use laser
So, their times are pretty accurate. They also will differentiate between track and grass. Usually, they are on grass though.
Ah, not familiar with perfect game.
Way back in my day, HS and college coaches would feed MLB scouts whatever their best hand held stopwatch time was. Even the scouts came to games with stop watches. So, it was always hard to trust those times.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 6, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Agree,
No reason our O shouldn’t be top 10 in 2012 and I’d be surprised if the gata O was that good after 1 year in a completely new system.
by nole country for old men on Jan 6, 2011 11:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Weis offense?
In fact, Weis’ attack finished ahead of or in a dead heat with Urban Meyer’s spread option machine at Florida in terms of total offense in all three of those seasons, including the Gators’ BCS Championship run in 2006 and Tebow-led march to a 13-1 finish in 2009. – Matt Hinton
This has to be without SOS adjustment, right? I think Army and Navy when I think Notre Dame schedule.
In 2009 they had a top-ten offense after SOS adjustment. Not sure about the previous years.
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25 S&P
I know it’s only half the formula, but their FEI must have been sick nasty to bump them that much.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
think they were like 4th fei
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Any clue why FO doesn't keep data from past seasons of FEI on the site?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
probably just haven't had it uploaded yet
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Ya, in 2005 ND was ranked higher in S&P
But never again for Weiss’s tenure.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
And FEI nor F+ are listed on Football Outsiders
So I can’t speak to the other half of the formula.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
In terms of NFL flavor
What other CFB team is analogous to what the Gators have now? Did Harbaugh at Stanford pick a bunch of NFL guys?
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Yes, Fangio and them are very NFL heavy.
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I know I am throwing stones but..
What are the steroid testing procedures in the pac 10? As a certified gym rat I have never seen more jacked white boys than in that last Stanford game. All kidding aside, it really popped out at me how big and lean the guys were which is hard to be (typically) without help.
Think it is NCAA-wide
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i was thinking the same thing
Even before I saw that linebackers face painted up like the “program”
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Funny you say that
Pat Forde just tweeted something to the effect of being shocked at how much bigger Auburn is than Oregon.
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by CornNole on Jan 6, 2011 3:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well, they turned that Stanford team around
How long did it take them to get playing at a high level?
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what, 3 years?
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While that's fine & good for Stanford
do you think the gatas would be that patient?
no, but they don’t have the talent issues stanford had either
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What they accomplished at Stanford was seriously impressive.
Especially since it’s Stanford, with all that implies.
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by Drew J Jones on Jan 6, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Are you suggesting that Stanford has academic hurdles higher than UF's?
Surely, you can’t be serious.
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Bad joke, I know but somebody had to say it.
There shouldn't be the same talent build-up needed at UF
But they are switching offensive systems and Brantley may be a huge project to get him righted.
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If anything, Brantley may be the big gainer in this.
He’ll have an OC who’s coached real QBs and Jimmy Clausen.
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by Drew J Jones on Jan 6, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
He may well be.
But I think you guys blamed that kid for a lot of problems that were created by your coaching staff.
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by Drew J Jones on Jan 6, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
That isn't the problem.
Big-armed QBs are a dime/dozen. Hell, I can throw the damned thing 50 yards with some accuracy, and I’m about half the size of most of these guys. I’m sure he can throw it plenty far.
Problems were development and (I use this term loosely) system. Kid’s built for more pro-style offense, and Addazio & Co had no idea what they were doing. Didn’t teach him how to read defense. Didn’t design plays around the players.
More mental than physical.
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by Drew J Jones on Jan 6, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I watched Brantley for 13 games this season. He stinks. I don’t really care what evaluation y’all have done on here, or what y’alls opinions are. He stinks.
You won’t convince me otherwise. He throws the ball too short every third down, I saw it 100 times.
He stinks.
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Mr. Miyagi has something to say about that
No such thing as bad student, only bad teacher.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Well, I’m a teacher, and I’m telling you personally, there are bad students.
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haha.
yes, yes there are.
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by onebarrelrum on Jan 6, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Not at all. Brantley is like that kid that you work with and work with, but he never gets the hang of it. Just barely passes and because you work in a public school and his grade/test scores doesn’t effect your year-end bonus because he is at the bottom (the top and bottom few scores are eliminated) you just send him on his way.
Much like I see the Brantley saga. They will work with him…but it won’t help. Then he will leave, won’t make it in the NFL and hopefully do something with that degree he got that was paid for by the boosters, taxpayers…etc.
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so would you want Driskel starting as a true freshman?
or start one of the current QBs?
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Start Brantley for the first couple of games, but have Driskel come in late in the game to get his feet wet. Then hand him the keys in and around the Tennessee game…just like Leak in 2003. And have him start until he leaves.
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Fair doesn’t apply when you have as much talent playing QB than Addazio calling the plays.
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Just saying if they plan to yank Brantley after 2 games
I would think they need to tell him that so he can transfer and go play for a team that actually wants a QB to start and finish a season.
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Your analogy isn't complete
Let’s say Brantley is the student you are teaching how to read. You work with him and work with him, and then put a book in his hands. And the instant he messes up a sentence, you rip the book from him and give it to another student for 30 minutes. And then, when you hand the book back to Brantley out of nowhere, you expect him to read perfectly. So it shouldn’t be a surprise when he just repeats the same mistakes. Who’s at fault: the kid that can’t read or the impatient teacher that feels like someone else can do it better?
Dude may not have been able to put it together, but it’s not like his coaches helped by playing a tug of war with him by expecting him to start and stop and be an All Star in the process. I think it’s fair to say that blame is deserved on both sides.
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by TheNole9Yards on Jan 6, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
This.
When 80% of a kid’s snaps are on 3rd and long situations, no wonder he couldn’t get comfortable.
Maybe not.
But they brought him in for a BUNCH of 3rd quarter snaps on 3rd and long after the other two QB’s failed to put them in favorable down and distance. And like a lot of QB’s he would fail to convert on 3rd and 8. It was really dumb, especially after being on the bench for 1st and 2nd down.
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That was at the end of the year towards the end of the season. The bowl game. More specifically.
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happened at least twice in the FSU game that I can think of
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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Looking at play by play for FSU-UF game.
He wasn’t always put in on 3rd and long, sometimes 2nd and long.
Examples on different series:
1st and 10 QB is Reed, holding call, Bring in Brantley on 2nd and 15
Reed incomplete pass on 1st, still QB on 2nd, false start, 2nd 15, bring in Brantley
1st down after Reed had great rhythm, was doing fine driving down the field, pull him after he got two yards on a run and bring in Brantley who has been on the bench for the whole series then Brantley throws a pick on 2nd and 8.
first series of 3rd quarter.
1st, 2nd down Reed, Brantley on 3rd and 4, sacked.
Next series
Burton and Reed go back and forth until one scrambles for a 2nd and 9, bring in Brantley
UF people are quick to rip Brantley when he had to deal with these facts,
A) A center that thought he was playing some kind of hike the ball at the rubber ducky carnival game.
2) A completely unorganized and under performing offensive line.
D) An offensive coordinator that might have some kind of learning disability
Zed) A QB rotation that has never been seen in the history of the game nor ever will be again.
Bikini) A head coach that didn’t really give a damn about any of the above
But, I’m sure it is all Brantley just being a crap QB.
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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Right at the end season. It happened a lot more during the last 2-3 games than it did at any other time.
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Even before the QB rotation
he had all the other crap to deal with.
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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Before the season he said he was ready for it, there was going to be no excuses and that he is ready to handle the post-Tebow pressure.
All swings and misses.
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He was also promised he was going to get to
be on a team that wasn’t a spread option…woops.
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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
That was only during the second half the season. Meyer said the offense wasn’t going to change all that much going into the season, then about halfway through it he said that it would be adjusted a little bit. But you can’t in fairness expect a coach to change his philosophy all that much.
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Should have said, not a running spread
option but a pass spread, quote from before the season started in the Orlando sentinel:
“Florida will tailor Brantley’s skills to a pass-friendly spread offense.”
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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
TheNole9Yards's comment is.
It’s pretty much dead-on.
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It has always appeared to me
It’s always looked to me like their offensive staff didn’t know how to teach a QB how to read a secondary. I’ve seen it too many times.
They can teach the difference between man vs. 2 verus 3, etc. but what it doesn’t look like they taught him was “against cover 1, we look here. Against cover 2, we look there.”
The passing game had no “coordination.” And it’s sad. For JB. Although not for me.
We’ve seen plenty of QBs under Coach Spurrier, with less talent, do far more. JB is no less talented, physically, than Doug Johnson. And isn’t as crazy, in that, I don’t believe that JB would throw at a 70+ year old man’s head, for example.
If JB is at USCe, I thnk he starts.
Exactly. At this point Noah Brindise is a more successful Gator QB. And that is sad.
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You say "Exactly"...
…but above you’re pinning it on Brantley for being stupid rather than being a failure of coaching.
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"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
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The play calls were in place for Brantley to throw the ball down-field. It seems like he never did. That’s on him. It’s more Brantley than coaching.
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You mean the 4,000 dives?
Sorry, I watched most of the UF games, too, and the playcalling was atrocious. Coaches did not understand the concept of setting up plays.
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by Drew J Jones on Jan 7, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Additionally...
…if you can’t trust the coaching staff to call a proper offense, can you trust the staff to have developed the QB properly in practice, so that he recognizes where to go?
The Mr Miyagi quote is quite apt here.
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by Drew J Jones on Jan 7, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
It's more Brantley than coaching.
This couldn’t be more incorrect. See play calls in the post above.
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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Once again, I don’t expect us to agree on everything. I’m a Gator fan and I say that Brantley (and the coaching) last season was garbage. I say it is more Brantley. I’m not going to change in that opinion.
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Well it took most Nole fans about 6 years to realize
that Chris Rix might have been worlds better if he had better coaching. You might come around, just might be a half decade or so.
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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
And people wonder why teachers aren't respected.
My wife and sister-in-law were/are both public school teachers at dirt-poor schools who’ve succeeded with those kinds of kids. If that’s your attitude towards students, you need to be in another field.
That’s setting aside the fact that your analogy is nonsense.
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Fair enough.
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by Drew J Jones on Jan 7, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
I wasn't.
My brother, sister, and mom are or were at some point teachers. There is only so much that Ridilan can do for some kids…
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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
A lot of QBs suck through 13 games.
Especially when they’re coached by idiots.
Kid may or may not be cut out for college quarterbacking, but the idea that he was given anything resembling a fair shake is laughable.
Truth be told, he should’ve stuck with his Tejas commitment.
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Yes
His turnaround was rather remarkable.
by Shooter McFrattin on Jan 6, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
I think JB should be ecstatic
If, as our Gator friend says, he’s beyond help, well, I know who I blame for that one.
I wonder who Brian Fortay’s lawyer was? Maybe he’s interested? Bud, why don’t you hook a brotha up?
Like I’ve said on here before…I’ll give him three years to get to the SEC Title game with a serious shot at winning it and getting to the Sugar Bowl.
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Three years to win the east?
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doable.
3 years with the recruit hall they had last year. I know it was mostly on defense but it takes two years to gel. New Oc’s always make a splash their first couple of years. The bad thing is that there is tape on Weis and his offense he likes to run from his days at ND. The good thing is that Brantley will look like a totally different qb in the pro set without someone else calling the plays in the backfield and a one back offense.
I really think Weis is trying to use this as a springboard to another DI HC gig
It will be interesting to see if any big programs make him an offer, assuming his offense at UF is great (which it should be).
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by NoleThruandThru on Jan 6, 2011 11:54 AM EST reply actions
The Weis hire confuses me.
I get that he might bring in some talent in year one with his name recognition but as a die hard ND fan I had always heard that he was terrible, not bad but terrible, in recruiting. ND, while not what it was is a lot like UF and the name alone still recruits. His assistants worked hard and he had success with the previous coaches kids but he lacked the connection to the young guys.
I also agree that he is just floating between jobs and will not stay more than 2 years. That might be all they are looking for but I see this as a poor hire at the OC spot in college football.
hes brought there for Brantley. Period.
They can Target a new guy for next year.
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Weis in college was a disaster
And the one game that always stood out was the beat down LSU put on ND. I really need a year to evaluate the UF coaching staff, it really looks like a puzzle where the pieces don’t look like the match so you check for missing pieces in the box on or the floor.
I remember that game.
ND’s very slow defense is probably the most to blame. Just no foot speed what so ever over the past decade on that side of the ball. As can be seen by the draft picks. Plenty of WR, TE, QB’s, and OL but very few if any on Defense.
As a head coach, yes
but his offenses were quite good.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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I don't know how kindly he will take to being second fiddle to a newly minted HC...no matter how attrocious his HC tenor was at ND...
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 6, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Well, three of his offenses at least
2007 was historically bad. 2008 was average… for the entire FBS.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
I sort of agree with this...
I really need a year to evaluate the UF coaching staff, it really looks like a puzzle where the pieces don’t look like the match so you check for missing pieces in the box on or the floor.
You can’t say it’s a bad staff, but I just don’t say “Oh, I get it” like I did when our staff came together with Jimbo.
Now, I know it would be very naive to assume Jimbo got everyone he wanted exactly, but it sure as hell seemed that way. Every piece seemed to fit, and some seemed like coups (Hudson particularly, Stoops and Gran in what could have been portrayed as almost lateral moves).
Also, none of the hires appeared to come with big risk. With the possible exception of Stoops being not long for a head coaching gig, and Eliot coming from such a small school, they seemed relatively safe bets.
Finally, I don’t think there were serious questions about recruiting with ANY of Jimbo’s hires. They were all considered good to great.
While you can make a case for why all of UF’s hires could be great, once you get past Muschamp, there are serious questions – unknown recruiter, not enough time in the college game, ego/personality mesh, incomplete resume. – across the board.
Looks like a high risk/high reward staff to me. Also makes me wonder if Muschamp can instill the the same Saban-inspired “one voice” type dictatorship over a staff like this, the way Jimbo has been able to do.
For whatever reason, too many unknowns for it to scare me right now. It’s not a sure failure by any means, but there was know way UF would have ended up with a staff that was bad on the face of it.
Weis as the quick fix?
I know that most college hires these days made with the expectation of being temporary but I question why UF would take a chance on Weis. Sure the name is nice but I just don’t see him wanting to be an OC in college for any extended amount of time. I feel like by the time they bring in players that fit his offense and install it successfully he will be moving on.
by nolejam9 on Jan 6, 2011 12:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
And it is not even a quick fix, what with needing a year to transition to pro style
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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agree it is a last minute fix for brantley
But then you have a team full of spread players and the perfect spread quarterback coming in, who frankly doesn’t look like he has room in his head for a pro offense as he chews on his mouthpiece , though he does have lots of space between his ears.
"You play to win the game (stupid)"- H. Edwards
"I didn't say you needed to BE better than everyone else, but you got to TRY, and that's what character is . . . it's in the trying."- Coach Eric Taylor
It seems to me
that with the Muschamp & Weis hires and with Urban still hanging around, there will be way too many cooks in the kitchen & it might just implode. Kind of reminds me of our “head coach,” “executive head coach,” “assistant head coach,” etc. cluster.
lol. yes, fail.
Need more coffee…& brains for that matter.
FWIW
I have always heard it as cooks in the kitchen. I always thought it was referring to someone’s house, where too many cooks would make it way too crowded. And…we’ve officially analyzed that saying way too much.
by TonySopraNOLE on Jan 6, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Are you saying that all along I had a brain of which I was not aware?
Wow, thanks wizard. Coincidentally, I was told that I also suffer from LDD.
LDD?
I guess I’m the one needing more brains now. At times like these, I wish I had more cooks in my brain’s kitchen.
by TonySopraNOLE on Jan 6, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
No, it was just an obscure reference
to an old Upright Citizens Brigade skit with a character that suffered from “Little Donny Disease.” I’d post a link, but I’m not too sure if it would be considered appropriate!
I'll take our staff over theirs easy
We’re proven, they’re not. We’ve got great coaching AND great recruiting. They have one or the other. I would fear harbaugh and maybe Edsall though. I don’t fear Muschamp. i think Jimbo will stay a half-step ahead of Muchamp for sometime.
Mucshamp the only one that can do both
but not as great as fisher.
You would fear Edsall?
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LOL....I thought only Syracuse feared Randy Edsall.
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just discovered the "Z" key
mind blown
by nole country for old men on Jan 6, 2011 12:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The next TN phenomenon
is to write “Z” in reply to a post that is senseless, pointless, and/or worthless.
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"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jan 6, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
My God, this is why we try to encourage every new member (and old I guess) to read these links.
I am not singling you out nole country/old men, it’s just that every day someone discovers the “Z” function and are absolutely amazed. I guess I should learn to be more patient, especially with all the new members, but really?
It is permanently written into every Ongoing/Off-Topic Discussion Thread in the first 3 paragraphs.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Jan 6, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
This is also written on every story, fanpost and fanshot just below where it says "Comments":
Display: Auto-refresh?
Press C to tab to new comments, Shift-C to tab backwards, X to mark as read, and Shift-A to mark all read.
The best: Z will simultaneously mark and tab forward, and R will reply to the comment that has focus.
Don’t believe me? Scroll up, I dare you. Do a word search in your browser if you don’t see it.
It isn’t just the Z that is so awesome, though it is my favorite.
Maybe we should request SB Nation, if they are the ones that control it, to make this statement about 30 font and bold.
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by onebarrelrum on Jan 6, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I always wondered why I could not make an article turn green
Somebody else has to agree with it
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by DocHoliday2 on Jan 6, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry that the system won't allow you to REC yourself, Doc, but it's for the good of the site. ;-)
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Wait a minute!?!?!?
THE Z BUTTON DOES WHATS?!?
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A little late, but nevertheless

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
you are a real gentleman Frank...
God bless ya.
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sorry i hit a nerve
but i mostly access the site via smart phone—no “z” key, no “actions” option in the comments area, etc. out of sight, out of mind. back away from the ledge, buddy
by nole country for old men on Jan 7, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
really wish there was a way to use
z key on touch smart phones. If anyone knows if this is possible, let me know. I can view full website on my phone but can’t z through comments.
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
I can z through comments
when using my QWERT keyboard, it just takes a second.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Yeah, looking at full site thru smart phone now
Still no “actions” and I can’t use the “z”. Oh well, I’ll try not to commit any more TN faux pas, Frank. Don’t kill yourself—game threads would be less entertaining w/out the “Hammer”
by nole country for old men on Jan 7, 2011 9:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
touch screen?
or physical key board?
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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
touchscreen keyboard doesn't come up unless you're in a text box...you would end up with this:
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Yeah, damn.
was wondering if there was a way to bring it up and use without a text box up. Thanks though.
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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Don't call me buddy, pal. ;-)
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Don't call me pal
FRIEND!
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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Don't call me FRIEND
SPORT!
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Don't call me Sport, BUDDAY!

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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
And for the record….Durkin (LB’s coach) is horrible. Y’all can have him. I’ll trade him straight up for a Krystal #1 with cheese.
The Once and Future King
I'm like Charlie Weis that way
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Keep an eye on Charlie in the locker room

Guys like Demps may be in danger.
FSU, the 2010 Florida and South Carolina state champs.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 7, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Keep an eye on Charlie around small children

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This one is monumentally better.

The Swami has spoken.
by seminole_swami on Jan 7, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
One of the most disturbing things I've ever seen.
No offense, swami…but I’d delete that if I could.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 7, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
15 year later, to his horror while looking through picture the closet, little johnny realized where his phobia of sandwiches originated.
10000 to one bet the mom isn’t the one taking that picture. 1000000000 to one he had to do without for a year if she saw that picture.
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I'm fat, relatively speaking, so it's okay
But don’t you skinny kids DARE start.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
You're harder to kidnap.
Look at it as a distinct advantage over your horizontally challenged brothers.
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maaaan. stop it.
those two words alone in tandem with weis…lets just say i’d rather take my chances with medusa. probably more personable anyways.
Stewart Mandel had a great blurb in his mailbag today on SI.com. Especially the last line :)
I understand the concerns with Charlie Weis at Florida since his Notre Dame stint was obviously not a success. But it’s hard to argue about his offensive genius, whether in the NFL or at ND. Since he’ll be only focused on offense this time, I find it tough to believe this won’t be a success. His offense plus Will Muschamp’s lauded defense seems to be a perfect (and scary) match for a college with the recruiting capabilities of Florida.
— Barry, New York
I don’t doubt Weis will be a good offensive coordinator once he gets the necessary pieces. To me, the bigger concern is what the move says about Muschamp’s larger vision, which it sure seems is to turn the Florida football program into an NFL farm team. You’ll note that his choice of defensive coordinator, Dan Quinn, is also primarily of an NFL background. Quinn spent the past 10 years with the 49ers, Dolphins, Jets and Seahawks, and his most prominent college experience was at Hofstra.
I get what Muschamp is doing. Nearly all Florida football recruits enter college with designs on the NFL, and Muschamp can now sell them on the fact that they’ll be learning from the pros themselves. But a lot of programs have tried this, and it generally doesn’t work. See: Nebraska under Bill Callahan, Virginia under Al Groh, Notre Dame under Weis. Pete Carroll’s USC dynasty finally began to wane when he started filling his staff with more and more NFL guys. The concern is that players become more invested in their draft stock than in the success of the team.
Obviously, the single biggest difference in this case is that Muschamp himself is a college guy. As Barry said, perhaps the combination of top offensive and defensive minds with Florida talent will prove lethal. I’m more skeptical, however, to the point where I’m backing down from my earlier prediction that Florida would eventually emerge as the strongest of the Big Three under its current and newly hired coaches. Jimbo, I’m now with you.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/01/05/big-ten/index.html#ixzz1AHJpHDGz
Interesting…but it isn’t like Stewart Mandel is God’s gift to college football knowledge.
The Once and Future King
by FlaGators on Jan 6, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Him being on our side actually makes me feel worse about our chances
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 6, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The makers of Prozac
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by Jamil Dawson on Jan 6, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Zing!
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Jan 6, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
you mean
Lou Holths
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by freshcollegeboy on Jan 7, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not at all
It’s just another point to consider, especially with the examples he gave of teams that tried this same sort of thing.
actually
the most recent example of that NFL failure would have to be the Florida Gata.
Meyer hired some NFL clowns to replace some important coaches and the Gata Nation crumbled.
Youre right about Mandel being a bad writer if he missed this ( highly entertaining) example.
by LincolnHighNole on Jan 6, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
oh that's where he landed
good
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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I think that guy goes big time at some point.
Really like him as a coach.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
Did not know that Dowlar
is at 247 Sports.
Wasn’t he one of the few non-douches at WC?
Dot's head is going to explode.
Personally, I never really had a problem with WC like many here do, but you have to recognize it for what it is: the Wal-Mart of FSU sites. Broad appeal, lots of people, but goods they sell aren’t as high quality, and the the customers you see into are on the lower end of the IQ scale. There needs to be a market for that, and WC fits it.
Personally, TN is the Nieman Marcus of sites IYAM. It will never have the mass appeal of some other sites, but at least its customers can be elitist and condescending to those who shop at the other stores…
by TuckNole on Jan 6, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Without the Nieman Marcus price tag though.
Or even the Wal-Mart price tag for that matter.
Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
Yeah.
If TN were to cost 10x what WC costs with only a slight advantage in quality, the analogy might work.
But I hate both NM and Wallie World.
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by Drew J Jones on Jan 7, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Why oh why is this not green?
I love Nieman Marcus and I love TN. It all makes perfect sense now!
Don't you know that any Southern Girl worth her salt is a football fan?
Condescending and elitist
sounds like me!
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by Dogrel on Jan 6, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd for the High Fidelity reference...
what a great movie
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
My thought is
how funny would it be after watching the Gators try to run Brantly on options, to see Weis try to make Driskel a pocket passer?
Driskel is capable of that, but that would be ignoring so much of his talent. Good times.
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am i wrong in thinking that weis' O at ND always looked overmatched
when they played against a defense which was their equal athletically. with the exception of the bush push game, i can’t remember his O playing a quality D well.
by nole country for old men on Jan 6, 2011 12:55 PM EST reply actions
2005
pushes his QB into endzone for win against ND
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz8rBlhSxeg
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by onebarrelrum on Jan 6, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
usc at notre dame
when bush pushed leinart in for the winning td. you don’t remember weis’ biggest win at ND? of course, it WAS a loss
by nole country for old men on Jan 6, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously don't know the bush push
or waiting for a TWSS?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
There hasn't been a bush bush since 1987....
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He struggled with running the ball
Chances are the offense is going to bog down at times when you struggle to run. However, it was a very good pass offense no matter who they were playing.
Weis' system ...
I’ve heard that Weis runs a very complicated system. Can any verify or contradict that (I really dont know if its accurate). Also, what are the admissions hurdles at ND in relation to UF – wondering if they have the some of the same issues that UM and Big 10 schools have in terms of recruiting?
I might be reading too far into this but, if ND has is forced to follow UM/Big 10 academic standards is it fair to assume that played a roll in the players’ ability to grasp Weis’ system. Will the players UF brings in be able to handle his system. How far off am I?
UF does not
even come close to same academic restrictions as ND.
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I'm going to make the assumption that the players will grasp the system
but that it will be significantly dumbed down the the first couple years. Remember, Haulstead and Smith couldn’t run the right routes this year and they’ve been directly under Jimbo for a whole year leading up to this season. It’s tough for a receiver to learn a complicated offensive system his first year in it, regardless of his year in school.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
I agree that Weis will have to dumb down his
system. the question becomes for how long? Can he be successful in the long term with a dumb downed system? (i doubt UF up’s their admissions standard so Weis can run a more complicated system) Doesn’t that sort of take some of the “offensive genius” edge off him?
He'll be successful on talent
and I’d say it’s dumbed down for year one, after that it needs to be fully implemented. He could always try the drinking from a firehose approach though.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
if anthony fasano
And Jeff smarja could handle it, I doubt this is an issue.
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Kill Everyone
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Some say there is a difference between football smarts and book smarts
(sorry I couldn’t find a higher quality version)
oh wow. why haven't I seen that before?
I feel like a failure in my sports movie knowledge.
So what's the deal with Weis' son...
This was a package deal? Weis goes to UF and his son gets to work with the team as a student assistant. Is that something that typically happens in college coaching hires?
yeah. Ala, Trickett's older son was a GA with us and just got a full time job elsewhere
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Thanks.
What do you do if they really suck at their job and need to be fired? Seems like it opens the door for a potential problem.
Here's to hoping that little Weis on day gets hired by Daddy to be the UF OC for half a decade.....destroying the program in the process.
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I don't see this working out for UF
A few 7-9 win seasons, nothing special. Weis leaves in 3 yrs for a HC job, Muschamp leaves the following season. NFL guys hired on that staff, struggle with the college game.
Just seems like wishful thinking to me
I think they’ll be good again, but 2013 is when I see them actually being a problem again.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Talent is there, NFL coaches can coach
The question is not winning seasons, but can this staff win it all?
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Moses McCray working out

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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GO TELL IT TO MOSES
wait….
Great to see. Any word on his rehab? Ahead of schedule? Almost looks like physical therapy type exercise there.
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Definitely no atrophy
Or, rather, he has remarkably regained size in his leg.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Tons of guys blow up when rehabbing.
I was in peak shape of my life after ACL. Anquan wasn’t the beast he is now before his ACL. Frank Gore got TOO big, I think he had to lose some weight.
I was told when I rehabbed my knee to never do leg extensions again
Is there some reason for that? Should I get back into them? Is it not worth it? When I think about it it doesn’t seem like an inherently dangerous exercise.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
You either had some complications that you haven't disclosed or weren't told about,
or you had an out of touch PT.
Leg extensions shouldnt’ be done early, but they’re absolutely essential down the line. Have to have strong quads to protect the joint.
Not aware of any physical complications
and I seem to remember my Orthopedist saying it, though he was old. Could have been my PT though, it was 12 years ago.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
That is THE ACL rehab machine. You live and die on that thing. Resists both ways and tests your power.
Cool.
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Well, in a way, it's precisely that type of machine.
It maps out how much torque you’re putting out, which you compare to your good leg as a baseline for performance/recovery.
haha, right.
Precision comparison for a reason not, “OMG I broke my back trying to max out the (insert machine here).”
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
How long since he tore the ACL?
He’s gotta be getting close to the point where he can kiss that particular rehab machine goodbye.
..and does this suggest positive/negative things relating to your suspicions about his return to the DL rotation?
Probably not many snaps assuming he misses Spring Ball
But you love having guys like this on the team who are so committed to coming back after a major injury.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Going by generic timelines, I would think he should be quite able to participate..
but every injury is its own animal, so who knows.
That's what I asked above...
Say he got hurt in early August and surgery within a couple days of injury (typica), then Aug-Sep-Oct-Nov-Dec-Jan-Feb would be 6 months, which is the standard timeline these days for “return to sport.” When is spring slated to start?
question with a question - nice
Somewhere around 3/18 – at least that’s when it started this year (official practice)
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
So that's most likely ~7 months out of surgery,
which should give him a reasonable chance. I don’t know if his other health issues complicate things, or if they’re even a concern anymore…. or for that matter, if linemen typically take longer to come back because of extra weight…. so I guess I have to confess it’s hard to be sure, either way.
One other consideration for Weiss: His health is atrocious
Dude is about 300 cheeseburgers overweight. I think he has one bad knee and a bad foot and has trouble moving around. Really like to see him try to get after the boys in Hogtown in August. I don’t know if he is quite prepared for that. Hope they keep “the Paddles” handy at practice.
Just looking at him does not instill a whole lot of repsect even though he does bring some NFL and CFB gravitas with him.
No problem. They can just make his fupa the interim OC after his heart explodes in his chest.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
Techically, a man cannot have a FUPA
In males, the area represented by a pouch of blubber that you are referring to is called a “Pannis”.
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by CornNole on Jan 6, 2011 3:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’ve always called it “Dunlap Disease” for males.
As in….“His fat dunlaps over his belt”
But then again, I live in Tennessee so I guess it is just better in a redneck voice. Not that I have much of one.
The Once and Future King
My Grandaddy refers to it as Dunlap as well.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
"Technically" speaking, a woman can't either, being that it's not an actual medical term and all.
In matters such as these, it is always best to defer to Urban Dictionary’s wisdom on the subject.
Currently, both definitions of ‘pannis’ state that it is only found on a woman.
The most popular definition of ‘fupa’ states that it is a condition that afflicts both sexes.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
If you can't trust the Urban Dictionary and Wikipedia
who the hell can you trust?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 6, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
No kidding.
I always heard Pannis used as a play on just seeing a big bulge of pants where a Penis should be.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
Haha, you said penis.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 6, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Au contraire Corn!!!
Men possessing kangaroo pouches stuffed with blubber tend to have to-tight slacks….the seam of which tends to pull up and form the male exterior vagina.
BOOM…….FUPA.
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#GotJokes
I've also heard "gunt", though I suppose that runs into the same issues as FUPA
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
There are varying magnitudes of FUPAs. When they're that large, we military folk call them
Montana front butts.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 6, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I first heard it ~ 10 years ago...and it still makes me laugh just to say it.
FSU, the 2010 Florida and South Carolina state champs.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 6, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
I've heard of very large ones as CHALUPA....couldn't have a larger....
so chalupa has two definitions
Can I be on Team Gold??
He lost his lawsuit for gastric bypass malpractice
From the Boston Globe in 2007:
Former New England Patriots offensive coordinator Charlie Weis lost his lawsuit today against two surgeons who he said were negligent in treating him when he underwent gastric bypass surgery five years ago.
Weis told the jury of a grueling recovery and worries that he might have to give up his career as a football coach and his life as an active husband. To this day, Weis said, he waddles, he has limited use of his feet, and his hips ache.
Sounds like he's complaining about his pre-op condition
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He was non-compliant with his post-op instructions
Even with his own health, he was gonna do it “his way”. Quite egotistical.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
Charlie Weis don't read the post-op instructions, the post-op instructions read him.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
I think he made good hires
I’m just glad we have a great staff in place already, and transitioning from the spread to pro-style we’ll take some time, but that defense could be real good right away with the talent they already have. Florida has a lot of talent already, I think the fans will expect results from Muschamp pretty fast though, and if he doesn’t produce in their time I could see the fan base getting frustrated quickly.
"Get ready to change people's attitudes of you"-Jimbo Fisher
by WinstonSalemNole on Jan 6, 2011 2:27 PM EST reply actions
"will take some time"
"Get ready to change people's attitudes of you"-Jimbo Fisher
by WinstonSalemNole on Jan 6, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
QB Coach
Weis will be a great developer of college QB talent.
Weis is a freak about large finger size for his QB’s. He uses his 4 Super Bowl rings to measure the girth.
twss
"You play to win the game (stupid)"- H. Edwards
"I didn't say you needed to BE better than everyone else, but you got to TRY, and that's what character is . . . it's in the trying."- Coach Eric Taylor
my joke was bad enough
you just made it awful. That is the least funny TWSS ever. Go Ponder that.
by LincolnHighNole on Jan 6, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
haha
dick
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
HCs that surround themselves with NFL assistants - coaching advantage, or auditioning for NFL?
Harbaugh. Muschamp?
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Sugar Bowl January 2007
Charlie Weiss and Brady Quinn 14
Jimbo Fisher and Jamarcus Russell 41
I like FSU’s chances
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Florida field in August is HOT
The wind don’t blow on Florida Field in August, unless there is a hurricane around. Weiss selected this assignment as a martyr or to lose a Hundred lbs. He won’t be there, but one year.
That's the damn truth.
UF noon games in early September are a nightmare. The ONLY good thing is that girls wear the least amount of clothing possible.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
Sure that's a good thing?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jan 7, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fisher to LSU?
Not to change the subject but I was listening to Paul Finebaum (XM radio) about an hour ago and he said that LSU’s number one target will be Jimbo Fisher if Les Miles goes to Michigan. I doubt it but…should we be worried?
Jimbo to LSU?
I would think after everything he has preached. He would not do that. I Think he will stay. Do we need to give him a better contract? Yes, he will be the head coach at FSU for awhile. Some time’s you guy’s get a little stupid. And for the grammar police. KMA, It’s football! Your not going to make a difference behind a desk! It’s football people. Players make play’s, and coach’s make decision’s. That’s all it is. Jimbo will be at FSU for the long term.
by Danotheanimal on Jan 6, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
famous last words
Jimbo will be at FSU for the long term
Every upper level program has said that about a coach that has left them. I sure hope he’ll stay, but I’m not confident enough to say that he will without a doubt
I Think
no need to capitalize: I think
Some time’s
not possessive and not a contraction = no apostrophe: Some times
you guy’s
not possessive and not a contraction = no apostrophe: you guys
police. KMA, It’s
should use a colon, and no need to capitalize: police: KMA, it’s
Your not
You are = You’re not
make play’s
not possessive and not a contraction = no apostrophe: make plays
coach’s make decision’s
not possessive and not a contraction = no apostrophe: coaches make decisions
Still Your Biggest Fan,
Friendly Neighborhood Grammar Police
by arrdub on Jan 6, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
There he is...hard at work.
Brings a tear to my eye.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 6, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, I actually read his post.
I’d say he was definitely asking for it…calling you out and all.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 6, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Try to see it through a cop's eyes.
He caught the guy, red-handed, for murder…can’t come down too hard for missing the jaywalking while running from him.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 6, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
It only occurred to me about half-way through what I was witnessing.
Had to think fast and throw together whatever I thought would stick. The DA’s office is always giving me crap.
I'm afraid...
That’s the last we will hear from Danotheanimal. Too bad. Yeah, he could use some grammar lessons, as you have so kindly (and humorously – though not intended – supplied), but he’s just a fan giving his TCW. It’s all in good fun Danotheanimal! Sorry, had to stand up for my fellow Dano!
"Awww, come on guys, it's so simple. Maybe you need a refresher course."
Man, I ain't hatin' on danotheanimal...
He asked me to dance – should I turn him down?!?!?
Grammar policing is all in good fun.
I know, I know
It sure is good fun. And I was quite amused by the sheer number of corrections, but also impressed by the technical nature of it as well.
By the way, very nervous about starting a sentence with the word “And”.
"Awww, come on guys, it's so simple. Maybe you need a refresher course."
by BookemDanole on Jan 7, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
I think i'm going to get kicked off
Honesty is the best policy!! GO DANO’S
by Danotheanimal on Jan 7, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Think you're fine for the most part.
But some people around here see bad grammar and it’s like nails on a chalkboard.
Just remember that it’s not personal. We still like you around here.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Thank you Dogrel
Some times i get a little fired up. Will keep it under control. Thanks, enjoy everything you do with TN. Did not think I would be able to sign on again? Thank you
by Danotheanimal on Jan 10, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks Bookem
I’m still here. Man they hammered me. Will read and not comment in the near future. My a$$ still hurts. Down but not out. But i can dance. Love TN and will still read and comment.
by Danotheanimal on Jan 7, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Bud, I apologize if you've already commented on this
but I’d like to hear your thoughts. Alot of chatter on this topic lately…
Personally I dont see him leaving. I like to think that our admin would pony up the extra cash to keep him around seeing he is not even at the median salary level for ACC coaches.
by Shooter McFrattin on Jan 7, 2011 7:40 AM EST up reply actions
I used to worry about this but now strongly believe FSU has fisher for at least 5 years barring some offer of like $6M or something.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Honestly
I’ve read and heard so much about Coach Fisher being an FSU fan growing up. I think that he deserves more scratch based on what other schools are stupidly willing to pay BUT, at some point, the fact that he’s got “the job” that he wanted, more than any other, has to have some value, doesn’t it? The economy is what it is. It’s going to get better, some day, but that day ain’t now. Or tomorrow, either.
If Coach Fisher is interested in money and nothing else, then he should head off to “greener pastures.” But if he’s willing to still earn more money than 100 coal miners in West Virginia combined, to coach a kid’s game, at the one place he wanted to be more than any other, raise his family in a wonderful place that has a much lower cost of living than where Coach Golden landed, he may just have to be willing to not have quite the largest 1040 in the country.
If he’s as smart as I like to give him credit for, he won’t concern himself over whether another coach is making 500K more than him here or there. He’ll do what will make him very happy and be ultra successful at it. At FSU, he will be the second winningest coach of all time in another 4 to 5 years! He can’t do that elsewhere. He may be able to coach his way into the Hall of Fame wherever he goes, but at FSU, unless there is a disaster, he’ll almost certainly get there.
The FSU isn’t the best paying job in the country. But it’s a helluva lot better than working for a living, like the average booster does. I believe that Coach Bowden always snickered a little bit that Coach Spurrier actually made a few dollars more per year than he did, which was smart on his part.
Maybe it’s because I love FSU, but I can’t imainge leaving FSU for there, for the difference in money that it would mean. Doesn’t even take into consideration what Baton Rouge, the city, is like right now….
by Sobering on Jan 7, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think he'll get paid.
No inside info or anything. I imagine him being in the top 3 for salary in the ACC before the season starts. Top paid the season after that.
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by onebarrelrum on Jan 7, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Comparing salaries between industries doesn't really work, and this "kids game" brings in tens of billions of dollars a year.
If it looks like head coaches are being paid like CEOs, it’s because that’s what they are, just under a different name. As for coaches “not working for a living,” go ask their wives about that. These coaches sure do put a lot of hours in at the office just looking at their navels if what you say is true.
Jimbo may like Tally as a nice place to live, but the “he should want to stay” game can be played both ways: lots of other college towns are nice places to live too, and Fisher doesn’t have any inherent loyalty to the ‘Noles.
More to the point, money talks. If he’s doing a good job, the school should pay him a competitive salary and do what it can in other areas to make sure he does stay. We did it with Bowden-his pay was in the top 10 of HC salaries right up until the end-we need to do it with Fisher.
Fisher’s pay right now is about right for a first-time HC at a big school. If he gets a few years of results under his belt, his status will change from “first-time HC” to “proven winner.” His pay should change accordingly. A good school doesn’t let a $500k discrepancy open up between Fisher and coaches of similar achievement levels.
For better or worse, this is the way the game is played. If we don’t play it, we’re going to lose good coaches to administrative stupidity.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
by Dogrel on Jan 7, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you need to read everything I wrote
I think we’re going to pay him and pay him well. But I’m not real interested in seeing us being held hostage by what other schools do, either. I’ve coached, I’ve played. I know how hard they work. Really, I get it.
I also know that they make 10 times what your average oncologist makes and they don’t “work” as hard. Or do something nearly as important, much as I love the game.
My point is, I hope we have a guy that’s here because here is where he wants to be, end of story.
I would suggest to compare the situation to, say Cliff Lee. Yeah, money talks. But he left MILLIONS sitting on the table to not go to the Yankees. And he evaluated the situation completely.
I’m sure in some regards, his agent threw a fit. But I suspect that Cliff did what will make him happy. And this is coming from someone who grew up a Yankees fan, as well as, works on a contingency basis most of the time.
We need to update his contract AND throw in an obscene buyout.
We are the ones who took the shot on Jimbo. LSU chose Miles. We arent going to give him up just because (in typical Louisiana fashion) they showed up late to the party.
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Interesting contrast in appraoces
from two former Sabanites.
Jimbo went out and got all guys from football programs lower on the food chain than his, early in their careers, trusted his evaluations and then hired them.
Muschamp when out and got guys from football programs higher on the food chain than his.
Point of contrast: Muschamp going NFL heavy and Jimbo not even giving Romeo Crennel an interview.
Let's hope there are other differences, too
And that the different forms of approaching “the” process lead to vastly different results.
Muschamp's Biggest Mistake
was agreeing to come aboard with Urbie still sitting in an office down the hall.
I have issues with that as well. Urban needs to leave. If you ain’t the coach anymore…get the heck away.
The Once and Future King
I'm curious if you know the reasoning behind this
Does Foley want him around? Is Urbie that much of a control freak? Or maybe incapable of completely walking away?
Bring back Jeff Bowden...as a pińata.
by TheNole9Yards on Jan 6, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea. They (UAA) have stayed quiet on the issue. Other than the construction/renovation of his new office. Which is apparently quite close to Muschamps office.
The Once and Future King
Dang, No pressure, Will.
I can see it now:
“Just…in case you ever need advice from someone with the perspective of A TWO-TIME NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP WINNER, AN 82% WINNING PERCENTAGE,….or, you know, just to talk over coffee, my door’s always open!”
-Urban Meyer
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHp0cdKn67E
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
But why go talk to urbie, if will muschamp needs advice?
That’s what charlie weis is there for – that decided schematic advantage.
the next Nole
Coach Coley said “PUT THE SPEAR TO YOUR EAR”!!! Looks like somebody is my be ready to be a Seminole!
Aha!
Only a CLOWN would hold a spear right upside his own ear,
Or perhaps he knows the time draws near a lad flies in upon a LEAR?
Rhymes are phun.
I'm guessing it's something that's going to help Jimbo's LEGACY
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Looks to me like the differences between our statffs can be summarized this way:
We both started with Saban coordinators.
Ours is the dynamic, creative spark that drives the program. He’s been recruiting FL for 3 years and has surrounded himself with like-minded and dynamic men who were accomplished elsewhere and have the hunger of bright young men on the upward trajectory of their careers. Several will be head coaches. Although Jimbo turned the D over to 2 proven coordinators, he’s intimately involved, even in practice drills. Seeing a lot of similarities in each other, they worked well together immediately.
UF’s HC is more conservative by nature, not a creative change agent. He hired a much older and more experienced guy to lead the O side of the team— a guy with an ego who failed at HC at the most visible program in the country, who wants to be in charge again, but who must now take a step back and defer to the inexperienced young pup who is trying to learn on the job. The fact that WM would create that bad dynamic calls his insight and judgment into question already. He’s rounded out the staff with yeomen coaches. Does WM have the knowledge to involve himself with the O side at all, or will he defer entirely to Wies, further convincing Weis that he should be the alpha dog? I just can’t see this ending well.
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by PeachTreeNole on Jan 7, 2011 6:51 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
This opinion
is obviously not in anyway slanted toward the team of your preference…come on. Jimbo is “dynamic”, and “drives the program”, while Muschamp is “conservative”, and not a “change agent”. I give you credit for being able to take the cover letter of your resume, and turn into a post about football, but please tell me where these incredible insights come from?
Alright, Skippy, since you ask:
20 years practicing law.
10 years in the corporate world, from start-ups to major corporations..
An MBA with specific coursework in organizational change managment.
Hands-on, EVP level managment experience.
Observations of Fisher, his actvities at FSU, and his personality.
Knowledge that most defensive coordinators are conservative by nature— that’s why they coach defense.
Knowledge about Weis’ reputation, age and experience as compared to Mushchamp’s.
I know a little about people, and how they lead, follow and function in organizations. Excuse if I don’t give a flip whether you accept my opinions on this subject.
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by PeachTreeNole on Jan 7, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that's a fact.
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by PeachTreeNole on Jan 7, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, you called him Skippy
I’ll give you a rec’d just for that. I couldn’t care less about all the business world mumbo jumbo, though.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jan 7, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Weiss
IMO, since Weiss has had a gatric bypass operation and then had troubles afterwards. He is a medical liability and the Chiefs are a small operation and his medical problems would effect their medical cost, they told him to look somewhere else. State of Florida will end up picking up this tab and spreading over all the people that work for the state.
That's what I was saying about his health being a liability.
Watch videos of Jimbo or Trick at practice or probably most OC’s, and they are out there sweatin’ and barking and moving around getting hands on. I can’t see Weiss lasting more than 10 minutes in 95 degree 85% humidity of August practices. What’s he gonna do…sit his ass in a golf cart…if it could hold him? Bark commands from up in a scissor lift? That is going to have to impact his ability to impart his Offense on his turd players. Although if Friedgen with all his girth could do it maybe Weiss can too.
by Blue Horseshoe on Jan 7, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
The Turds UAA should build him a tower with A/C.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Sail barge.
Bring me Driskel and the Wookie!
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OK that made me laugh!
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and an elevator!
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Charlie Weiss doesn't scare mw in the least.
His offense is too complicated for the college game. It is damn near unstoppable in the NFL, but college kids only have a limited amount of time to absorb his “Tale of Two Cities” thick playbook. I think the best scheme for a college offense is simple, but effective. I’d rather run 15 plays well than 150 poorly.
by Nole Resurrected on Jan 7, 2011 4:21 PM EST reply actions

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