Men's Hoops Drops Another
by norcal_nole on Jan 8, 2011 7:49 PM EST
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PrintThe Virginia Tech Hokies used a late 1st half run to take a 10 point lead into half and never looked back. The Noles made a couple runs in the 2nd half but couldn't sustain them due to the usually litany of reasons: turnovers, bad decisions and poor shooting. The final was 71-59, in a 70 possession game.
Once again Chris Singleton was the only threat for the Seminoles, finishing with 22 points and 8 rebounds. He was efficient (22 points, 14 shots) where the rest of the team was miserable (37 points, 48 shots). The Noles turned the ball over 19 times (27%) with at least 6 coming on offensive fouls. There's really no other bright spots to point to, except for 15 offensive boards. But when you can't shoot and you can't take care of the ball then offensive boards don't have much effect. The Noles shot 39.4% on 2s, 29.2% on 3s and 57.1% on FTs.
Once again a good defensive team exploited our inability to penetrate. Why it's taken 8 years to recruit those types of players (Ian Miller, Aaron Thomas) is a mystery, but we're seeing the effects on the court, for yet another season. Good zones make our offense go completely stagnant. The other continual mystery is the rotation. Deividas Dulkys, in the midst of a slump, never came out of the game. Bernard James, who had the most efficient line behind Singleton, only played 17 minutes. Pierre Jordan played the most critical minutes of the 1st half (the final four) and VT promptly went on a 10-0 run. Losing to Virginia Tech isn't a big deal (they were favored), but how we lost is a big deal. If Leonard Hamilton wants to be the 2nd coach to ever lead FSU to three consecutive NCAA tourneys, he better turn this team around, and quick. Duke comes to town on Wednesday. We have a 1% chance of winning that game. Then we'll need to go 10-3 the rest of the season to play our way off the bubble.
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1% chance to beat duke?
so your sayin there’s a chance? ;)
91% FT
From a team that shoots it a 65% clip with a 35 attempt sample is, ridiculous. Jeff Allen played really well for VT, give him props.
And That's Why..........
As I stated in the other post I refuse to watch anymore. It’s a waste of time until the head cheese at FSU gets a clue and cuts the string with Ham. I’m past excuses. Went out to dinner with the wife and didn’t miss a single frustrating, yell at the TV moment.
I deleted my initial response.......
in favor of substituting dumb with your a glutten for punishment. If that’s the case we’re good.
totally meant alabi
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Jan 9, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Haha, I was wondering about that
I was like, “Damn, we weren’t NEAR this bad when Uche was playing”…
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you got to give our O credit though
we’ve taught all our players a mean pump fake, i mean what other school can claim that all their players have the same shitty pump fake that NO ONE falls for? FSU pride!
I said everything I had to day in the game thread..
Pretty sure nobody will be watching this garbage soon. Ive defended Hamilton all I can. No mas
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I can remain quiet no longer...
Been a lurker a long time, but I’ve never posted before. I’m a long-time FSU b-ball fan, and I feel compelled to throw my two cents in at this point.
It seems like the bar for Hamilton was set ridiculously low after the woeful Robinson years. You’d think to listen to some of the comments made (mostly elsewhere, but it seems like he still has a few supporters around here) that there was no history of FSU basketball before 1997. Ham’s situation here is not like the one he took over in Miami where they really had no history of winning and the program was on the verge of shutting down entirely. FSU is far from a basketball school, but we have been to a Final 4 and an Elite 8 in the past. We have produced NBA talent. What Hamilton has done here is not exactly unprecedented.
Yes, of course there is the possibility that Ham’s successor would do a poorer job than Hamilton has. Changing a coaching staff is always a risky proposition. But I love FSU basketball, and I would love to be able to at least enjoy watching us play. I fear that as long as Hamilton remains in Tallahassee this will be impossible, and it just makes me sad.
You made the most of your first post
And I’ll admit, I’ve been pretty adamant about my support for Coach Hamilton. He’s made us relevant in an extremely tough basketball conference.
However, this season has just been garbage. I really don’t know how else to describe it, but we have 11 wins, none of which are against any respectable team. We lost to Auburn, and to Va Tech in a game where Delaney was kept to single digit points (I think…he didn’t score many).
But the wins and losses aren’t what piss me off. It’s the way we lose. Offensive ineptitude.
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to piggy-back
what frustrates me most is that we do some of the tough things really well -
we consistently play great team d and shut down good teams and really good players
but for some reason we can’t advance the ball and attack a simple 2 -2-1 press,
instead we inch our way forward and hope to god we get the ball into the half court, where we’re all too happy to pull it out and let the d reset
& we can’t figure out how to flash a man to the high post and cut off the ball against a zone
instead we pass it around the perimeter w/ guys 6 ft beyond the arc taking turns doing nothing w/ it then perhaps one big will slowly meander toward the top of the key to set a ball screen (for some reason)
this of course results in either a rushed, contested 3 b/c no one is open and the clock is running down or a turnover on a forced entry pass b/c there are no passing lanes..
its not that we’re a bunch of stubborn kids who wont play together (see the defensive end) its that we somehow don’t seem prepared for rather basic defensive techniques that require us to work together w/ a disciplined game plan…
its more than us being ‘bad’ its us being unprepared for basic basketball defenses..
by 000111 on Jan 9, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is grossly accurate
I don’t understand the offensive gameplan. The “motion offense” we run has more to do with stubborn passing atop the 3-point line than actual player movement. It seems when players DO move, it is not coordinated, choreographed movement but rather a volleyball-like everyone shift down a bit type thing. We settle for way too many late in the shot clock, hey Singleton do something type shots. It is really unfair to Chris’ FG% (and the whole team really) with some of the shots we hoist up. I watched the tournament in Hawaii and I believe at one point I discerned the announcers saying that we ran ONE play in the 1st half that resembled any type of offense a college coach or player would recognize. How is that possible? I am VERY grateful for the return to the tourney and the staunch defense we annually put up, but how can we POSSIBLY be so offensively inept with no change? If the football team had such an issue, somebody would be fired… Oh wait, THAT HAPPENED – exit Mickey Andrews, enter Mark Stoops. It is really frustrating to watch us play well offensively in the very beginning of the year against Sister Mary’s College for the Blind, then the split second we face ANY top-150 team, we look worse than some pick-up teams over at the Leach. There is no specific gameplan on offense and if not for Singleton making more plays himself this year, I don’t even want to think about the possibilities. I am in NO way saying Hamilton should leave or be forced to leave, but I TOTALLY believe he should be forced to hire an offensive mind on his staff.
Totally agree
Even when we were winning over the last few seasons most games were tremendously painful to watch. That’s why fans are so quick to call for Hamilton’s head. It didn’t feel like we were very good even when our outcomes and overall record indicated otherwise.
If the teams offensive fundamentals hadn’t been so deficient during Ham’s tenure I think most reasonable fans would be much more willing to give him and his staff the benefit of the doubt this season.
Agreed...we have never had an offense under Ham
What we did have was several talented playmakers like TD, Thornton and AJ who disguised an offense that was/is essentaily a street ball team
Plenty of teams have star players,
but our offense in Al’s senior year was very very good. The 4 guys who got the bulk of the minutes all had efficiencys >107. We’ve been anywhere from okay to god awful in the other 8 seasons.
Season = Over
Hamilton = Done
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You think a $1-2M buyout is out of our means?
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The latter.
Some dope on another board keeps saying his buyout is $4.5-6M. I want to smack him in the head.
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We're a football school
Make tournament every other year and admin is happy.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
No, that was Wetherell. He's gone.
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Spetman is a nobody.
Don’t see how he has a strong influence either way.
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He does because Barron is a real academic
I’m pretty confident he delegates anything related to athletics to Spetman and crew, unlike Wetherall.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
My point is, if we finish the season poorly, fan interest wanes and unrest builds, a change may be made.
While Barron is an academic first president (god it’s sad that those adjectives must even be used to describe a university president), he’s not an idiot and will not turn a blind eye to athletics.
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As of today? Perhaps.
At the end of a year where we may not even be bubble-worthy? Perhaps not.
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Cuonzo Martin would be at the top, with no one else even close.
Sat next to Gene Keady and Matt Painter for 9 years, has the NBA pedigree, is a minority, and by all appearences is a very very good X’s and O’s guy.
Larry Brown
Since he’s coached every NBA team, he HAS to be good, right?
Seriously?
Donnie Jones
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I doubt we could lure Jones away.
He’ll either get a big raise and extension, or hold out for UF or a Big East school.
I'm banking on ACC allure to help our cause.
I’d love to think we could tho
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That dude's from Pikeville, KY?
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fwiw
glockner (sports illustrated) now has us out of the tourny citing the auburn loss in his article
he does, however, predict uf, ucf and fau in the big dance…
For a little while there we weren't the worst offense in the ACC.
After the past few games we are back in the cellar, sitting at 163rd nationally. In 2009-2010 we were last in the ACC at 130th nationally. We were 100th (10th) in 2008-2009 and 80th (8th) in 2007-2008. Love getting worse 4 straight years.
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