Florida State should sit most of its seniors
by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2011 1:29 PM EDT
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PrintIt's just week seven of the college football season, but Florida State has already failed to reach any of its goals. Sure, FSU still has to make sure it reaches a bowl game, but that's a requirement at a program with FSU's resources, not a goal.
New goals must be set. And they'll be focused on 2012 -- a real make-or-break year for Jimbo Fisher and company.
Given that, this year needs to be about building confidence for next year. And that's not done with players who won't be around next season, a/k/a the seniors.
As a group, the seniors have failed to lead. On the field, most are playing poorly. Jimbo Fisher has said that the best players will play. At this point, however, I think that is the wrong plan. In this situation, seniors who do not represent a significant upgrade over younger backups should not be starting. I wonder if Fisher is worried about the backlash of a potential additional loss resulting from the increased snaps taken by younger players. Let's go through the ranks to see who should take a seat:
Running Back: With junior Chris Thompson's season (and likely career) over due to a broken back, the running back position is open. Seniors Ty Jones and Jermaine Thomas cannot be depended on and are not special players. Neither have a future in pro ball. There might be a drop-off here in terms of scheme mastery and pass protection, but freshmen Devonta Freeman and James Wilder Jr. need to be the guys. They will be the guys in 2012. Why not get them the experience now? They are already physically better than the two disappointing seniors.
Receiver: Bert Reed is FSU's only senior receiver. Freshman Rashad Greene has already outplayed him. This isn't an issue of a coaching decision. Reed just isn't a better player as a now-healthy senior (ankle injury) than Greene is as a freshman.
Offensive Line: Andrew Datko's career at FSU is all but over thanks to the shoulder injury and freshman Bobby Hart has already been inserted at left tackle. Hart struggled against Wake Forest, but has a lot of talent and should improve as the year goes on. This is obviously not a move that would have happened had Datko not had the shoulder issue.
A move should also be made at right guard. David Spurlock was determined to come back from multiple concussions, and he was cleared by a doctor. But he is not the same player that he was in 2008-2010. He's not helping the team right now, and while a freshman or younger player might make more mistakes and be even worse, it'll be worth it in the long run. Oh, and any game Spurlock plays represents some potential for serious repercussions later on in life. He has no future as a pro player and should be sat down. Who should start here is undetermined. Faircloth was the obvious choice, but he's injured as well. Perhaps Josue Matias or Tre Jackson (if healthy).
I'd leave Zebrie Sanders where he is, as he offers some stability.
If the Spurlock move is made, FSU will return four offensive line starters in 2012.
Of course, the staff might be reluctant to make these moves because EJ Manuel's shoulder situation is precarious and he's one hit away from being lost for the season. More young offensive linemen will lead to more mistakes.
Tight End: Both senior tight ends should be sat down as well. Beau Reliford and Ja'Baris Little offer little to nothing and should only be used in goal-line situations, if at all. Either use freshman Nick O'Leary or no tight end at all. Plenty of three, four and five-wide sets can work as well.
Moving to defense, it has to be encouraging that the strength of the defense (the line) has zero seniors.
Linebacker: So let's go to linebacker, where senior Nigel Bradham has not been impressive in the least. Sophomore Jeff Luc needs to see more and more playing time as the year wears on. Now, Bradham will get drafted, and shouldn't lose his spot outright. He should just lose considerable snaps to Luc. And at middle linebacker, the staff must decide if red-shirt junior Vince Williams is in the plans for 2012. If he is not, he should be asked to graduate and the staff should play sophomore Telvin Smith.
Safety: And a move must be made at safety. Terrance Parks was terrible Saturday, and wasn't anything to write home about against Clemson. Parks has no future in the NFL. Sophomore Terrence Brooks or freshman Karlos Williams need to be given this spot. Jimbo Fisher today noted the duties of the safety position with the calls and adjustments, but Parks' play is unacceptable for a senior. A young guy needs to be given this position and FSU needs to deal with the inevitable inconsistencies that accompany the move to youth.
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So much truth in this write-up
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Could we not play Foose at one of the line spots?
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Could not agree more
And it doesn’t need to be as dramatic as all that. Other than Spurlock, the other guys can continue to play, just with greatly diminished snaps.
I had forgotten Vince was a Jr….assumed he would be gone after this year. Might still be.
I would ask Vince and Moody to graduate and move on.
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What's our depth look like at safety without Moody?
Brooks, Joyner and Los? That’s pretty thin.
by idontwan2know on Oct 10, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Hunter and brutus too
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What is the deal with Moody? Does he have a legit injury b/c he can’t be worse than Parks. At least he has upside aganist the run
He’s hurt and he’s not a good player. Parks beat him out pre-injury
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Which tells you how bad Moody is considering Parks is borderline useless.
Watching the replay of the Wake game, Parks KILLED us on a number of big plays by Wake. His overpursuit and failure to hold his gap on one of those long cutback runs was painful to watch.
Forgot about them
You’re right…time for Moody to move on.
by idontwan2know on Oct 10, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
esp. since the Twitter ban
Championship!
by TLHWG on Oct 10, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why not move Moody to LB and have them both as backups next year?
I’m just not sold on our LB depth.
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I’d rather have the scholarship
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In general I agree.
Jones, Luc, Smith, Smith, Jenkins, Terrell and 1 or 2 freshman LB (Eligwe and…?). Only what, 3 of those have really played? If we take 2 LB in this class we’d have 8, which isn’t a horrible number, but 5 of those 8 would have minimal to no experience. Just doesn’t seem the wisest choice to me. I though 10ish LB were a good thing. And if we don’t have many viable recruiting options at the position and the Williams and Moody will only be around for one year, would it really harm us any? Idk.
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I think FSU is going to go heavier on DL/DB and lighter on DB, which I am ok with
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Any critique of the coaching staff coming?
they dont seem to be getting the talent they have ready to play
Thought there was a pretty significant critiue on Saturday. We’ll have film review, of course.
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if so, most think Trickett
expect more out of an OL w 3 Seniors, 1 Jr. & 1 So. & many think he mis-managed the OL (lots of transfers, years of recruiting 1 or 2 OL, etc.).
Championship!
I think they should have done better recruiting in 2008 and 2009.
It is inexcusable that Stoops did not do a better job finding players to fit his system before he got here so that they could be mentally and physically matured by the time he arrived.
It is also inexcusable that Jumbo let Amato stop recruiting (and coaching) back when Fisher was listed below him on the coaching hierarchy.
On a side not look at Alabama’s O-line. I don’t see anyone starting below a red-shirt sophomore (meaning in the program for 3 years).
You had me until the "Jumbo let Amato" bit.
Well done.
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by Drew J Jones on Oct 10, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
"It is also inexcusable that Jumbo let Amato stop recruiting (and coaching) back when Fisher was listed below him on the coaching hierarchy"
Wow, I just don’t know what to say to this. So many things wrong with it.
I don't know much about Tyler, but the way I read it, I think his comment was
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
extreme...and funny.
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Did you mean heavy on DL/LB? light on DB?
I agree this is right move just saying…
by FireRicobert on Oct 10, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you mean heavier on DL/LB and lighter on DB?
I know you can fight. But it's our wits that make us men.
No I mean heavier on DL and DB
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Young Linebackers
Bud, how do you feel about our young linebackers in Terrance Smith, Arrington Jenkins, Nigel Terrel, & Jeff Luc? Think they can be an improvement as an overall group for 2012 when Bradham is gone?
by SarasotaSeminole on Oct 10, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Luc has really improved. Not sure how to feel about the rest
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I agree
Luc looks more comfortable and not as stiff as thought he might be. I know Telvin is playing the MIKE a lot, but I really like the combo of Jones, Luc, & Telvin at LB for 2012
by SarasotaSeminole on Oct 10, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't ther a big risk to losing future recruits
When they come to visit and the Sr’s are telling them even though they are better they are not playing because younger guys will be better then them. I might skip a school that is going to bench me my Sr year or even more if it was my 5th year because a kid coming along had more potential talent but was not really a true upgrade over me. I understand competition. But to be somewhere 4 years then get told to bad the kid has promise is not where I would go play at
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I have to think most of these kids have the "that will never be me" attitude
I don’t see it as a big factor
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I am noot talking about getting beat out by someone better
I am talking being sat for someone with more potential then me who is not currently better. If I give you my 4 years of college play or 5 years after you recruit me to come in and then I am not an All American but am still better then the Freshman or So that could be AA at that time and am sat for them. Then I might have an issue with that. If I get beat out or the player thats one thing. But sitting someone for potential I could see being problematic.. What if the younger guy never lives up to his potential. Then you were sat for someone who was not as good as you cause or potential. I could just see that being an issue. Getting beat out is one thing. Just getting sat for a youth movement is another
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good point
I’d refer back to this in Bud’s piece:
seniors who do not represent a significant upgrade over younger backups should not be starting.
Championship!
Yea. I guess more a response to the sit ALL seniors
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Recruits would have to turn down a lot of schools if this were case
Most major schools do it.
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On the flip side:
…Players listen to players. Especially guys they watched come up while they were in school. They follow their friends, they don’t follow guys who graduated when they were entering HS.
“Hey man, should I go to FSU?”
“For sure. Look at me. I’m only a Sophomore, and they’re playing me ahead of a 5th year Senior.”
“….where do I sign?”
I see it both ways.
I could see it problematic. But I dont have a problem with playing the better player
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Kids love to see true freshman get time
It’s a #1 selling point to recruits. This wouldn’t hurt at all.
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Why in the HELL does everyone assume Moody would be all-world at LB just because he sucks at safety but is fairly athletic and hits like a ton of mean-ass bricks? Hitting isn't everything to playing LB.
Exhibit A: Mister Alexander. An average at best LB after 4 years of practice…
I agree, I’d rather have the scholly.
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I would love to have him and Kendall this year over Bradham
by SarasotaSeminole on Oct 10, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Why in the hell do you assume I think Moody would be all world when I specifically said "BACKUP"?
Hello, depth may be a concern. That is all.
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Not sure. Makes it more complicated if it does.
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Los could be a star.
I’d keep Vince on the roster. I just don’t think one more scholarship for one season is worth potentially poisoning the relationship.
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by SoCalNole on Oct 10, 2011 2:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree
Los will be a star. Need to keep Vince.
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by Shooter McFrattin on Oct 10, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
give Vince major PT on special teams
and on situational defensive schemes and keep him – he is a well-spoken young man and is a positive role model for younger guys on the team. That is worth the scholarship.
I agree
Some senior leadership, ST teams play, and situational snaps sound about right, especially with young Karlos waiting in the wings
by SarasotaSeminole on Oct 10, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I completely agree.
Momma Williams would likely be throwing a hissy fit and that would have to affect Los and his attitude.
Think you have to be careful with Vince
You don’t want to do anything to piss off Karlos.
You know how on NCAA you can create your own recruit. He’s basically what mine always look like as I max out all the attributes
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by SteadfastNole on Oct 10, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy guacamole
I said the same thing. He’s gonna take a couple back in his career if he stays at KR. He will destroy you if you attempt to tackle him, and run by you if you don’t.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 11, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
What about Moody to LB for his senior year?
We knows he is no good in coverage as a safety but what about him as a LB? His coverage as a LB would probably be adequate and he would be very good against the run. What are your thoughts about him moving to his natural position of LB and keeping him for his senior year?
by SarasotaSeminole on Oct 10, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
freed-up scholarship > 3rd string senior LB
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Bud, my only concern is if we can get a good LB recruit to fill it next year… recruiting at LB is pretty weak this year.
Not suggesting Moody stay for that- but I would take Vince Williams for 1 more year over a 2 star LB
that won’t contribute potentially for 2 years.
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The Freed Scholarship is only valuable when used on something good.
Mediocre LB for 4yrs < 1 yr of Moody at LB and a 4 or 5 star LB for the next 3yrs.
Plus: We need depth at LB and Moody might be an upgrade over both Bradham and Vince after a Spring at his new position. If he can’t cut it then, we have until the new recruits report to get him to graduate. Imagine if what happened to our WRs, happens to our LBs…
I totally disagree.
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Yeah, a new LB isn't going to have an impact year 1.
At least not as much as Moody would have at this point. Then once Nick is gone, you go out and concentrate on getting a stud LB to fill that spot.
by seminoleballer on Oct 10, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I say again, why the heck does everyone assume Moody would make an impact at LB?
Has he done so before? Not really.
Do you guys really see him just stepping in and balling out next year? If he does, it is a sad state of affairs for whoever he replaces.
Reminds me of
The corner from UM who played out of position for his first 3 yrs at WR and is now a stud in the pros. (Drawing a blank on the name). I just want him to get a shot. If he can’t handle it we move on. I’m just tired of hearing a free scholarship is better. We have been saying that for years. I have never seen a scholarship make a tackle.
by MeBeFirst on Oct 10, 2011 9:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sam Shields is the name
And he isn’t a stud yet. Give it time though.
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by StoneColdSteel on Oct 11, 2011 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Never be a stud.
Solid player it appears. Although he’s not having the same success he had his rookie year.
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If we switch Moody, I don't see him as a 3rd string LB. Heck, the way our LB's have been looking, I wouldn't mind him getting a lot of run.
I could see him as a Mister Alexander type. And yes, I know that Mister switched positions much earlier in his career.
by seminoleballer on Oct 10, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
So instead of taking awful angles as a S
He’ll take awful angles as a LB.
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by CornNole on Oct 10, 2011 7:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Really though, don't you think his game is more fit for a linebacker than a safety?
Not as much coverage, more run support, that seems like a good move for him.
by seminoleballer on Oct 10, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I do.
But if forced to choose between 1 yr of Moody or being able to squeeze another recruit in at a position of need, I’d be fine w him moving on.
But yes…skill set wise, he’d be a servicable Will w proper coaching and time (that he doesn’t have)
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by CornNole on Oct 10, 2011 7:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Guess Moody is a catch 22
You have swayed me, better for him to graduate and fill that spot with a new recruit. He should have been a LB from day one. That’s another screw up on the coaching staff both old and new
by SarasotaSeminole on Oct 10, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don't see how Moody would be taking up a position of need spot.
We need a couple more LB and OL this year. Maybe another WR or RB. That’s about it. We don’t really “need” anymore DB or DL but but seems to think we overload those areas this year instead of taking LB.
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The mental mistakes will continue at any position...moving position doesn't make you smarter or more disciplined
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I don't agree with that
Different positions are different skill sets. You may no need to do the same thinking from one position to another. I played hockey. I was a a forward and played center and RW. I was a much better center because I could skate well and had the freedom to really set up plays. When I would play RW I could but would also find myself thinking as opposed to doing and reacting. When a defender would move up and I would have to drop back I would have that split second to have to think to hold back on defense till the defender got back. At center I did not have those worries. And played more free and was a better asset. I could play RW, and was good at it, but almost all my mental mistakes that I would think about later after games occurred when I was playing RW out of my comfort zone.
So positions can have a relationship to the mental aspect of it. At least my personal sporting experiences have shown me that
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Agree to an extent...
But just because he plays the run well for a safety, (and I don’t even really think he does this extremely well…big hits? Yes. Great against the run? Not as clear) doesn’t mean he will make a good LB.
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by nolewhacker on Oct 10, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
In his case I don't know if it will matter
Was just addressing the general idea that it won’t matter.
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It's borderline eerie
the way some folks want to hold on to Moody for whatever reason
by westcoastnolefan on Oct 10, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone will always have an affinity for the player that makes someone go comatose at least once a game. The old adage; if you can’t beat them, then beat them
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by SteadfastNole on Oct 10, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it's eerie to think it may be in our best interest to keep him as a backup LB for depth purposes.
It’s only one year. Whether he plays or not.
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Would rather have a freshman who can contribute more long term serve in that role
Moody is simply not a good player. Especially if he was beaten out by Parks
by westcoastnolefan on Oct 10, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think one scholarship makes a bit of difference.
Especially when depth at LB may be an issue.
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Jones and Terrell at SAM Terrance Smith and Jenkins at Will
and Luc and Telvin rotating at Mike plus Vince could still be at FSU. Really don’t think Moody would hang around just to be 3rd string. Besides, Eligwe or another freshman backer could do that
by westcoastnolefan on Oct 10, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Four of those 8 guys have minimal or no experience.
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Thats why they would be for depth purposes
And what has Moody’s "experience gotten us? Hasn’t even played LB in two years. Was a rover in 2009 actually
by westcoastnolefan on Oct 10, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Geez, dude. You're right.
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I dissagree
I dont see how you would not want someone on the field that almost broke Demps’ helmet in two … granted he couldn’t cover, but apparently neither can Parks…
by Tallinasty_Nole on Oct 10, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He was playing last year over Parks and looked better IMO
I’m sure he blew assignments etc. but at least he made his presence felt. That has to count for something. What has Parks done?
Parks was better last year imo
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This is what amazes me
Parks regressed from last year. How!?!?!?!
by SarasotaSeminole on Oct 10, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see that. I see someone who is highlighted more thanks to better players around him.
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Ok I can buy that
But he makes me want to break my tv every time I seem him over run a cut back lane or take one of his text back horrible angles. I reviewed some game fil from Wake and he really stuck out to me in both the run and pass game as a huge liability.
by SarasotaSeminole on Oct 10, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Because the D is definitely better and you notice the errors more.
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Ditto. He was putrid vs. Wake.
I lost it on the overrun gap and the long cutback run. Pathetic.
Karlos/Brooks can’t be much worse than that right now.
he did that on every stretch play in the second half
I think he missed every tackle when that play was run.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 11, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
THIS ^
I was thinking as a backup LB and special teams. I think he would be good on obvious runnning downs. I just don’t know much about our young Linebackers? Will guys like Arrington Jenkins, Nigel Terrel, Terrance Smith be ready to contribute and will they be upgrades over what we have now? I sure would hope so.
by SarasotaSeminole on Oct 10, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Borderline eerie? No way.
Borderline practical? Yes.
by seminoleballer on Oct 10, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Just out of curiosity...
What happens if they say no? Is there anything else that can be done, or they just take up scholarship spots and sit on the bench?
Impact on Karlos of Vince potentially being pushed out if that’s perceived as disrespect or being mistreated? Especially as diehard FSU as the family has been and then having that be an outcome.
vince is much better than people give him credit for and has lots of use
too often he is bunched with bradham who tries to play outside and can’t play and space but vince isn’t a liability in the middle if there are capable players on the outside, plus you need senior leadership
I'll have to go back and watch some games
But I don’t recall Vince being the problem. More of a pleasant surprise until he got dinged up.
We covered it in the Clemson film review. He can’t be in on pass coverage
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Extremely stiff in the hips
He is exclusively North to South
by SarasotaSeminole on Oct 10, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I had a class with Vince
I asked him what he would do if football didn’t work out for him.
He said he was gonna make it in the NFL. I think it was Fall of 2008 when I asked him that, or maybe Spring 2009. I haven’t followed him much though.
by Smok3dSalmon on Oct 11, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
It's a crying shame
That we can’t count on MOST of our seniors. Pathetic is more like it. One or two players I can understand. But this is indicative of a much larger problem. Question is, did the problem leave already or is it still here?
I think its a residual of the lost decade
Culture is a hard thing to change.
by patriotnole on Oct 10, 2011 2:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bingo
Culture is this team’s problem. Radical shake-up will do more good than opting for a gradualist approach.
Championship!
Our problem Saturday was coaching. Unless you guys are talking about the coaching culture.
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Completely agree.
What I saw on Sat was a bunch of young guys with NO discipline or unity. That’s not an uperclassman issue (although those don’t help).
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by SoCalNole on Oct 10, 2011 2:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
in what way does this thread relate to the wf game?
We are talking about the overall poor play of the seniors.
by patriotnole on Oct 10, 2011 2:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This thread is not about the Wake Forest game
“Florida State should sit most of its seniors”
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see reply to seminoleballer below
by patriotnole on Oct 10, 2011 5:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We weren't talking about that before the Wake game.
At least not in the same light that it’s being discussed now.
by seminoleballer on Oct 10, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry, but you and doc sort of miss the point here
That question was a sarcastic remark to tricknole and socalnole making a remark about coaching in the Wf game. Like you, I did not understand how that was relevant to this discussion. Go back and read the comment from blazenole and this might make more sense.
by patriotnole on Oct 10, 2011 5:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
actually, i was not specifically talking about the wf game
But the overall poor play of the seniors.
by patriotnole on Oct 10, 2011 2:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
actually, i was not specifically talking about the wf game
But the overall poor play and leadership of the seniors.
by patriotnole on Oct 10, 2011 2:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, coaches establish the culture of a program
not players. Jimbo has always talked great culture—effort, toughness, intelligence, pride, etc.—but to some of the players (starters) these things aren’t important. Need to find the players for whom these things are important and show as much.
Championship!
I agree with you
My point about culture stems from the fact that the underclass seem to be out playing, more coachable, and have better leadership qualities than the seniors. For the seniors, the negative culture was est under the lost decade and it is a mold that is hard to break.
by patriotnole on Oct 10, 2011 2:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You know players aren't buying into what Fisher is saying or you assume?
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Re: Lost Decade residue-See our 2008 recruiting class.
What a smoking hole that class was! It makes Miami’s 2010 class look like it’s stacked full o’studs.
Fully 3/4 of the 28 players recruited out of HS either aren’t here now or are not useful to us in any real capacity. And those players are our Seniors and RS Juniors.
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by Dogrel on Oct 10, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I shudder at the sight of that. That’s seriously ugly stuff right there.
by teter10 on Oct 10, 2011 3:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I do too...
he made a couple amazing catches against UF
8 of 28 (non-JUCOs) contributing significantly from this week forward
and that counts Parks, whose contributions must be limited by the staff.
Wow, much what little of this class actually had potential got derailed by injuries and idiocy.
just looking at this article, seems promising for the future....
but i learned my lesson after this year. anyways just from reading this, it seems as if the depth at safety and at linebacker is very shallow. I can’t remember the young guys we got behind them, but i do remember we have Hunter, bright, waisome, but i can’t remember which ones will play safety. but what about the linebackers?
Agree with almost all of this
Too bad with their senior level of “experience”, I don’t see Jimbo putting in the younger guys, as their tendencies to make mistakes don’t give us “the best chance to win.” Not sure I believe that though.
"Yes, we won a national championship." -Fisher on if he had ever had a top ranked class before.
i agree...
it can’t get much worse… seeing wake forest wide receivers out play our so called “top 5 secondary.” they are a bunch of florida guys that apparently weren’t good enough to play at FSU.
My point exactly.
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Yep. Gonna need to see at least 9-3 though.
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UF
WVU
USF
Asinine scheduling.
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Not horrible considering we get UF at home and I’m assuming there was no way out of the USF game b/c it was originally scheduled as a home and home before Spetman correct?
Spetman did the USF nonsense. Really silly.
And it’s at USF
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which really won't be a huge deal?
the stands will probably close to 50 50. I mean tampa is a huge port for FSU fans like myself. And WV is at home correct? which is never fun to go to Morgantown with the crap weather and rednecks from WV.
The thing I'll be looking for during the WV game
is the play at line backer. WV is a spread team. Will our linebackers play assignment football or will they do what they are doing this year and just playing wild.
It's all about the process
Amato
who knew someone could blow up a position so much.
It's all about the process
entire coaching staff from 2002-2009 (hoping it stopped at 2009 wishful thinking though)
who knew they could screw up a program/talent so much
Amato
Amato was the best linebacker coach we have ever had. Steele paled in comparison. Now, in his later years, Amato backed off, but Steele was in his prime with us and he never came close to matching Amato’s best. Since Amaot quit coaching in the early 2000s, we hvae had poor linebcker play uniformly, year to year.
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Beg to differ with Steele. Steele had to rebuild the LBs
He got them playing at a high level again by ‘05 and ’06. Did we have another Derrick Brooks or Marvin Jones? No, but Steele wasn’t here long enough to have more than one or two classes of his own recruits go through under his tenure alone, and Ernie Sims was in one of those classes.
Given the short period of time he was here, I’d say Steele did a fantastic job, as evidenced by being hired by Lord Vader Nick Saban for the DC job at Alabama, and having that defense lead the team to a NC the year after he left for Clemson.
You’re right that Amato had quit coaching by the early 2000s, though. His whole coaching tenure after the Darnell Dockett incident was just one abortion after another.
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Pretty sure Timmons was with them for at least a year or two.
Maybe even Hayes was with them for a year, too.
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I live in Tampa and will definitely be at that game as well.
by xaryss on Oct 10, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
bud,
did u ever move to the tampa bay area? i know u were down in ft meyers? right? (i was one of the guys at Capognas dugout a couple months ago in clearwater)
There will be more Noles than Bulls at RayJay
Tampa is the home to so many Noles. I truly think we may outnumber Gator fans here.
unfortunately, they dominate the press.
can’t stand how they are always covered first
correction...
lost of bandwagon gators here that became gators once the “savior” came. I still can’t believe how many people sporadically became a gator fan out of nowhere. It drives me nuts
I think Hillsborough County (Tampa) is Gator heavy...
…and Pinellas County (St. Pete) is Nole heavy. I’ve lived in both places.
I live in St. Pete now and see plenty of Nole license plates and very few Gator ones.
I think the game next year at USF will easily be 50-50 split between FSU/USF, worst case scenario. More likely with FSU outnumbering…
I see Nole stuff all over South Tampa
I was getting the feeling that everyone was hopping on our bandwagon.
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by Shooter McFrattin on Oct 10, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
south tampa was gator town when i was there in 07...no noles stuff anywhere
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it used to be that way just because there were so many
Lawyers, bankers, and Dr.s in south Tampa. Now it is just slightly more gator heavy.
Lots of Noles in South Tampa.
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by Blue Horseshoe on Oct 10, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I live in Tampa as well
and we are going to sell out their stadium. It will be a virtual home game. I’m buying their season ticket package for this game. I hate USF.
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by Shooter McFrattin on Oct 10, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Home game?
What if FSU goes 7-6 this year?
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by SoCalNole on Oct 10, 2011 2:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Without 16,000 students?
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Yes
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by Shooter McFrattin on Oct 10, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but ok.
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There are 5.5 million people in South Florida.
And a whole slew of them are FSU alumni that will go to 1 or 2 FSU football games a year. The game in Tampa will be 1 or 2 plus 1.
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by Shooter McFrattin on Oct 10, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
couldn't agree more. but remember i don't think ray jay holds 70,000
so we should sell it out, but no their won’t be as many in a sell out there as there would be in doak cambell, but we wouldn’t sell out at doak anyways. i think it will easily be 50/50 maybe even 60/40 with the marching chiefs dominating the sound
Its capacity is 65,000
Tampa is within 2 hours of Orlando and 4 hours of South Florida (which is a hell of a lot closer than Tallahassee). USF doesn’t sell out most games, only the big ones (WVU, etc), and there are plenty of WVU fans there for those games. I would imagine there would be 30-35k of FSU fans there. Ones from Orlando and South Florida that don’t feel like making the longer drive to Tallahassee and having to pay for a hotel for 2 nights. This will be there 1 game of the year to go to. Not to mention all the fans that currently live in the Tampa area.
Are you saying we would sell it out against an opponent like Virginia?
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Factor in that is a lot closer to major metropolitan areas
and plus not having to deal with a 2-night minimum for hotels and I would argue that we’d get close to a sell out. Just like how we used to fill up the Citrus Bowl and the Jax stadium vs. Wake and Duke in the 90s…
umm heck no?
we prob wont even sell out miami this year… what i mean is there will be an overwhelming amount of fsu fans, and it will most likely be a sellout. If it was at doak and a 12 o’clock game like two years ago, then there would have been prob 65-70 thousand anyways. so why not put it in a stadium that won’t swallow up the crowd plus make it more economical and more convenient with tampa bay, orlando, naples, ocala, and miami all within a reasonable driving distance. Plus u got the chance of making it a nice vacation with the family with clearwater beach nearby and tampa night life and theme parks. Tally, well there isn’t a whole lot to do except drink…. and well, ill leave it at that
You guys are fooling yourselves if you think it will be a "virtual home game".
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it won't be home-cooking like in tally,
but it sure as heck won’t be a true road game… not when the crowd is easily 50/50
And I've heard enough.
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You said this:
Are you saying we would sell it out against an opponent like Virginia?
by tricknole on Oct 10, 2011 3:56 PM EDT
ya and i misunderstood his comment...
i thought he meant selling out Virginia in tally.
I don't think he understands his comment...
by Pinto on Oct 10, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You don't understand the comment.
I asked if you thought UVA @ FSU in Tampa would be a sellout, albeit apparently unclearly.
Then I said you’re fooling yourselves if you think FSU @ USF would be a virtual home game.
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don't think it would be a sellout but pretty close.
i think there would be similar amount of fans at tally as in tampa, prob with tally drawing a couple more due to students. but yes i do see it close to a home game than i do a road game against USF
"Close [sic] to a home game than...a road game" does not equal "a virtual home game".
But whatever.
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correct me if i am wrong,
but i don’t believe i said virtual home game. It will have a home game feel to it, and should not affect our playing at all. i think there will be more fsu fans than USF or at least a louder fan base
Yeah but you replied to a comment about FSU-UVA in Tampa
I’m done with you. Losing brain cells here…
What does that have to do
with playing a school like USF in Tampa?
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by Shooter McFrattin on Oct 10, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Rednecks?
You need to watch your verbage because “rednecks” don’t pertain to all people that live in WV. Especially the FSU fans that are located in HUNTINGTON, WV and not Morganhole. I hate WVU and all of its fanbase and I’m born and raised in WV. I will be a NOLE fan for life and I live in WV and don’t consider myself or my family “rednecks”.
by FSU1999champs on Oct 10, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
just saying man....
i apologize for my generalization. should of been redneck WV fans. The ones i saw at the gator bowl were pretty redneck. Its just a stereotype. i apologize. glad to see there some fsu fans up there!
insight on wv fans
Marshall University is my hometown school but i will always be a NOLE. WVU fans were pose to wear t-shirts that had a plane “crashing” into the ground. Those t-shirts never saw the light of day and for good reason. If so, it would have been an ugly day in Huntington, so i get the WVU fans and thats on illustration why I “HATE” WVU football. Some of the fans are classless and uninspiring. Huntington is also home the home of “RED” DAWSON. FSU HALL OF FAMER!
by FSU1999champs on Oct 10, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
no problem
Just wanted to clarify that some of the people that live in WV are educated with degrees and have necks that are other than the color “Red”. GO NOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FSU1999champs on Oct 10, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Fisher and Trickett are from West Virginia
Shouldn’t generalize but we all tend to from time to time. I do run into a lot of WVU fans on the net however you would be better off talking to a brick wall with.
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nope youre completly wrong
ive seen the Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia. everyone from WV is just like that. plain and simple.
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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 10, 2011 2:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
sarcasm
I guess thats what the admin thought of bobby’s coaching the last couple years…plain and simple.
by FSU1999champs on Oct 10, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Wild and Wonderful
Train wreck that I couldn’t stop watching.
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indeed...especially since you know, our COACH is also from WV!
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And for anyone that has watched USF and WVU this year, you'll probably agree with me that we'll likely be catching both programs at high points, especially WVU.
WVU looked as good vs. LSU as anyone has this year, and USF will be no joke in Tampa.
Agreed,
But doesnt USF lose the QB that loves to hate us??
by Tallinasty_Nole on Oct 10, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Think FSU has a good chance of losing both....
Don’t see the issues FSU has being fixed in time for those.
if FSU loses to USF next year,
everyone is fired. Seriously.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 10, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
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by Shooter McFrattin on Oct 11, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
- a senior RB playing QB
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 12, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 12, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Still need to find out if the WVU is void if they change conferences.
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One can hope.
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And that's not all
The genius who put WVU and USF on the same OOC slate for 2012 must’ve forgotten to check who rotates onto the schedule from the Coastal Division…..oh yeah it’s VT. At VT.
This is why Spetman makes comparative chump change to other ADs and this is why USF and Colorado School of Mines or whoever else it was that interviewed him said thanks but no thanks.
How do we get Spetman fired?
Just went to godaddy.com and bought domain: www.firerandyspetman.com
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by SarasotaSeminole on Oct 10, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
any chance at all we drop either wv or usf?
by LetsGoNoles on Oct 10, 2011 8:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No way we drop USF
The series was Spetman’s brilliant idea, he approached them and offered the 1-for-1. It’d take a small fortune to get out of the game and it’s just not going to happen.
WVU may be a possibility especially if the Big East goes toes up. WVU was on the schedule as some sort of settlement with the BE for the 2003 raid.
Why the HELL would he/we do this?
This is like a CEO offering to someone from middle management to add their paychecks together for a month and split it down the middle. Just because. Sound good?
Middle management: Hell yeah it sounds good…are you crazy?
I think we are legally bound to the WV game
Doubt Spetman will do the smart thing and get us out of USF. Just gonna have to deal with it.
by SarasotaSeminole on Oct 10, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Please don't ask Sanders to move to the left side
I just don’t think I can stand to watch bad footwork over there and it’s difficult to make the adjustment to kicking with the left foot after you’ve been doing it with the right. Yeah, Hart is going to get beat but he can get better out there. I hope.
The RB position has been bizarre for me, as from day one, it was clear that the kids had more ability than the vets. And that’s when Thompson was playing. Coach ‘em up, it’s that simple. I’ve been frustrated with our OL recruiting, who we’ve offered, who we haven’t and it’s hurting us now. Georgia Tech signed a better line class than we did, I would bet and that’s with us stealing Tre Jackson from them.
I would work two tackles on the left side
You never know if Hart is going to get hurt also. Foose, Matias?
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You have to have somebody ready, sure
I just think it’s “too late” for Sanders to ask him to do it the other way. I know it’s the back side. But I’d like to see us “build” one great left tackle.
FWIW...
Sanders played left tackle some last year when Datko was hurt, and Orelus had mixed results. Sanders played LT, and Faircloth played RT. I think they both played okay in their respective roles (as opposed to Orelus/Faircloth at LT.) There must be something Trickett really likes in Bobby Hart to play LT as a 17 year old.
BTW, I know the depth chart doesn’t mean much, but Sanders was backup to Datko on the depth chart released in week 1.
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by pasadenanole22 on Oct 10, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Odds of us actually seeing these changes this weekend?
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Better than under the old regime...remains to be seen under this one to what extent they make aggressive moves in times of great need for action.
I liked what I saw from Wilder in short yardage last week in limited carries vs. Wake. I would like to see Gran coach up him and DFree and turn them loose.
Does Bradham have late round draft potential?
I thought he get a shot based on workout numbers. I agree with what u say but want to support a guy’s league aspirations. It would be important to mo if I were a recruit.
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by slumgullion on Oct 10, 2011 1:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
His name is Al Davis....
Someone will take him on his numbers alone.
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yeh, but if its so important to him maybe he shoupd play better
by patriotnole on Oct 10, 2011 2:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he'd probably get
some kind of NFL shot even if he doesn’t play much this year. He has enough numbers wise in speed, size, and experience at a reasonably high level to get a look at someone’s training camp, even if he isn’t drafted.
IMO, in the last two games he has seriously struggled. I don’t know football like some of the guys here do, but his game seems to have some serious limitations (pass coverage for instance) that will need to be improved upon if he is ever to be a significant NFL contributor.
I think we really spoiled a few decent LBs with poor development over the past several years Dekoda Watson and Geno Hayes come to mind.
I feel terrible for Bradham
He is a victim in this case. He tries so damn hard and just makes bone head plays. He is who Jimbo is talking about when he says we don’t lack intensity, but aren’t playing with intelligence.
I blame Amato. Seriously.
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by Shooter McFrattin on Oct 10, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I blame BB.
The only way Amato should have set foot on the campus was to watch the game from the stands.
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by SoCalNole on Oct 10, 2011 2:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
especially after stealing philip rivers on his way to NCST
what a turd.
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He looks more like a douche than a turd.
I still remember that ridiculous photo of him up at NC State with the sunglasses and the chains and crap. Looked like he should be “The Situation’s” father.
I know it's been discussed here before, but
It seems that his game is more fit for the inside based on several factors, namely intelligence(or lack thereof), ability to diagnose a play(or lack thereof), and inability to cover in space. He just has an uncanny amount of speed and agility for a guy that size, but he’s more suited for a position where he does not have a lot of responsibilities post-snap.
I’m curious as to why the switch never occurred, and this may go back to the situation with Vince (not wanting to piss off Los, especially if this was a recruiting promise made before he got here). That’s all speculation of course, but what we know now is that we have an OLB that should probably be playing ILB and an ILB that probably should not be starting.
by FSUActuary on Oct 10, 2011 3:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Given our schedule next year...
…is this going to be a situation where Jimbo leaves the cupboard full for the next guy to come in and be successful or do we believe this team will get it done next year?
In my opinion, as it stands, our offense has the potential to be just as bad next year. It all starts with the O-line. Until they learn to push defenders off the line it won’t matter what moves are made.
It's all about the process
Depends on what you mean by get it done. FSU will not make a coaching decision like a fan.
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More specifically
I’m not looking at this through a fan’s perspective. I"m not of the opinion that there needs to be changes or an overhaul with the staff.
By get it done I mean will we finally be in a position where we aren’t talking about the limitations of our run game due to our offensive line not being able to push defenders back. Also will our own defenders finally be coached to be in position? As it is I am noticing a lot of players, mostly linebackers, that are out of position and taking really poor angles and poor gap control.
It's all about the process
the run game has been excellent for the last two years. This year it has been not. Outlier? We’ll see. Want to get it back to the 09/10 efficiency.
And yeah on the defenders needing to be in position
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Agreed on the last two years
My main concern was the drop off from last year to this year and then having a bunch of young guys coming in to start next year. I’m with you benching the older players, admitting this season is done and start coaching and finish recruiting for next year.
It's all about the process
yeah, can’t have a run game like this for back-to-back seasons.
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Bud what do you attribute the lack of a run game to? We lost continuity in the line so is it just because they haven’t worked together? We ran a lot of screens and designated QB runs last year, EJ going down had to affect that. The O line being junk and EJ going down has been the main reason I have had tempered outrage towards the staff.
by Happypedro25 on Oct 11, 2011 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Lack of continuity
Two key veterans being huge flops (Datko and Spurlock)
- JUCO not playing like #1 JUCO
backs missing holes
QBs not being Ponder
coaching
lots of things
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Run game issues stemming from more than just the line?
Anybody with more football knowledge on the situation care to comment on the revolving door at RB (not just WF – all season)? I realize Jimbo likes to have a stable of RB’s, but I think this only makes sense to a certain extent.
I feel like if we just gave one (or two) guys the majority of the work they could hit their stride quicker(quarter to quarter/game to game). I know some backs are more “volume” type guys (Freeman comes to mind) and others are more situational backs but… I look at a guy like Crowell this year who wasn’t great the first couple games but the past three games has really come along as a freshman. I feel like this really couldn’t have happened for Freeman (and certainly not JWJ) w/o the high volume of snaps.
I realize the point of this article was that we should stop playing TY and JT but why was the 4/5 RB approach used to begin with? To me, best two guys from camp should have split the carries and stopping subbing guys in every other possession to find a hot hand. Just an observation – I could be off base.
I agree
I personally think it hurts us, I feel like you should have 2 running backs to play depending on the situation, playing only 2 will help them get in a rhythm and allow them to get better, we are wasting our time giving meaningful snaps to more than that
ya but if you can’t open running lanes against Charleston Southern I don’t care if you have Barry Sanders back there.
by Happypedro25 on Oct 11, 2011 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions
The chances are much better next year if we make these changee this year
and I do think we get it done next year if Jimbo doesn’t lose the team this year.
by patriotnole on Oct 10, 2011 2:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Of course, the staff might be reluctant to make these moves because EJ Manuel’s shoulder situation is precarious and he’s one hit away from being lost for the season. More young offensive linemen will lead to more mistakes
On a late 4th quarter drive, Wake had linemen running free towards EJ on 3 out of 4 plays at one point. A combination of completely blown assignments and physical domination.
Fortunately, Manuel was able to avoid disaster.
Spurlock is toast. He’s not the same player. Nikita Whitlock made him look like a fool. Linebackers brutally pancaked him
And #60 can be blown past with any type of lateral fake move in pass protection. I mean any.
Stork has some value, but it’s not as the starting center. Also possible his wingmen are making him worse than he really is.
This is a scary proposition, but necessary.
Yeah, there were some really bad protections...
I know it was the end of the game, and everyone knew we were going to pass, but it was hard to watch WF send a 3 man front and come through the line like a hot knife through butter on some of those plays.
Wake's NG was a girl?
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by The K-Man on Oct 10, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hey take his picture down
my paris hilton picture got erased yesterday
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by terpyturtles on Oct 10, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol...
You serious, bro? You need to learn who to respect round heayah.
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by CornNole on Oct 10, 2011 6:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I know i'm just bitching about my picture being taken down yesterday
There can be no second-guessers unless there is a first-guesser.
by terpyturtles on Oct 10, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
YOU HAPPY NOW?!
That’s all you get, so like it.
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lol
There can be no second-guessers unless there is a first-guesser.
by terpyturtles on Oct 11, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I watched several plays vs. Wake back in slo-mo in horror involving Spurlock. He looked horrible.
I feel bad for the guy, but it isn’t an indictment on his career. He’s just not the same. It’s not his fault, but he’s donezo.
Bingo
I was literally thinking the exact same thing, as I’m sure many people around here were.
The only part that makes me nervous is the o-line, considering EJ’s injury (which you also pointed out).
On the other hand, the line can’t play much worse and the benefit going into next year is substantial.
by patriotnole on Oct 10, 2011 1:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Was NOL AWOL?
Does Bud or anybody else knows what happened to NOL in the WF game. I’m pretty sure that the only time I heard his name was the overthrown pass for 2 at the very end. I wasn’t watching to see if he was in or not – too many tears were clouding my vision.
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He screwed up on two early routes IIRC
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Practice makes perfect, amirite?
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by EnterTheOcho on Oct 10, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't even remember seeing him in the game early.
Was he the target on those messed up routes? Or did they lead to a turnover?
I’ll go bck and watch
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Lots of terminology + option routes
QB should probably be helping him in the huddle, though
by idontwan2know on Oct 10, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i sat in front of the bear...he was definitely in the game for a while.
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see.. I dont get this
Why do you take out a freshman for making the same mistakes that a senior has been making his entire career. Especially if the freshman is much more talented.
by patriotnole on Oct 10, 2011 2:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Because you want him to be better than the crappy seniors?
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Good point
I haven’t thought about it that way, but that logic is a little contrary to the point we all seem to be making from this post that the younger players need to play more.
I agree completely
This was one of the points I made to some folks while watching the tail end of the debacle on Saturday. The one thing I would add is that players whom the coaches feel have the opportunity to be stars in the future, and are still redshift eligible, should give up that opportunity now. It is with this in mind that I question the use of Hart on Saturday.
I’m in complete agreement on not playin seniors. By and large it is the freshman and sophomores making plays anyway.
by Noles32 on Oct 10, 2011 1:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Although I agree to an extent, I have to play the contrarian somewhat here.
A) There are slim odds of still making it a race in the ACC Atlantic. (so you’re saying there’s a chance!)
2) Sitting seniors will give the impression that the staff has given up on this year. What kind of message does that send?
d) Negative recruiting.
X) BAD locker room mojo; in-team fighting.
My suggestion: sit all the seniors for the Duke game to make a point (and see how it goes). Let the seniors that show leadership despite being benched come back and earn playing time.
With you on this jab
Prepping for the future is managed on multiple fronts. Would not want to see our recruiting class fold due to carelessness.
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I agree a lil bit
We need to finish as strongly as possible THIS year. For the sake of the program’s image.
If these proposed moves cost us 2 losses that could have otherwise been avoided, no way. If it doesn’t make a difference, then yes.
Gimme some sugar, baby.
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Oct 10, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
What if it is one loss?
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Think we already burned our mulligans.
Just win baby. (and I am not calling you baby, just a generalization)
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send jimbo those beaded librarian croakies..
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not to be the grammar police...
but its ‘just win, baby’
commas save lives…
ive never had him over to dinner
but i am a life-long raiders fan.
Lol
Same here. I want to be sad that he passed, but what he did to the raiders the last ten years was very frustrating.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
well put -
thats me as well –
it sucks whenever someone dies – and he clearly was the raiders, and for decades he was a mad genius who built the best franchise in football
but this past decade has been a great opportunity for me to get some exercise on sundays, b/c i certainly don’t have any reason to watch that crap they put on the field…and its basically all his fault..
plus the guy was about 98 yrs old..
Maybe I was wrong.
Maybe he really did mean a contest in which a baby was the grand prize.
Could happen, I’ve been wrong before.
Particularly when predicting the outcome of Wake Forest games.
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Well I suppose that depends on the final record.
9-3 vs 8-4 (I’d say ok)
or
8-4 vs 7-5 (I don’t like that one bit)
Gimme some sugar, baby.
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Oct 10, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It isn't controversial to propose that the BEST players play, regardless of class..
what is being pondered is whether you should play marginally WORSE players over better, older players, for future benefit.
That inevitably lowers our prospects for competing.
Playing the best players is not a youth movement, it’s common sense.
I can see 2 and x, but how would D apply?
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I think they’d be cancelled out by the playing time/best player argument
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Yeah it would
Kids love the “best players will play” line. It’s what all the top programs preach in recruiting.
Gimme some sugar, baby.
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Oct 10, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It really depends on the individual
and what is said and how it is said (or what is offered)… these are 16/17 year old boys… they can sway all they want now… Nothing is official until the LOI are faxed in…
d could go either way...
I think it could end up being used as a recruiting tool:
“If you are good enough to play, you will get a shot…”
although, it probably wouldn’t have happened if we were 4-1…
+1
Texas had a horrible year (lost to Iowa State) but still had a great recruiting class…
I was never recruited so I don’t know what recruiters say to land kids but I’m sure they could spin anything as well as any lobyist or politician…
I guess that goes both ways though…
What about
that huge indoor facility, millions of dollars worth of equipment, and a guaranteed TV Network their families could see them on at all times … I would say that influenced just as much if not more
by Tallinasty_Nole on Oct 10, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, there's always two sides to a recruiting argument.
But don’t think Muschamp and Golden won’t use this.
well uf used the same argument this year i am sure.
i mean why wouldn’t u want to go to UF or Texas if you are guaranteed a starting job? 4 years of playing at a big time program? thats a huge recruiting tool. I think FSU could use that, but probably not as good as Texas because of their program. but it can also backfire
I did notice that you said "some" seniors should be sat...
but I probably would have agreed with that statement even before the season started.
No sir
A) no chance. Clemson and Wake both have to lose 3 ACC games and that’s not happening. And that’s assuming we’re done losing BWAHAHAHAHA
2) there is nothing to play for this year other than to win the rest of the games. We have lost 3 straight with the current personnel. The sane thing to do is to switch personnel.
D) bah.
x) I’d wager we already have that
thats the problem
We actually have not lost 3 strait with the same personnel. We lost Oklahoma after losing Shaw and EJ in the game. Lost to Clemson without Reed, Reid, EJ, And 15 others. Then lost to Clemson with Trick again at QB for almost a half and Hart now at LT and our RB breaking his back.
Different personnel every game and its just going down the depth chart
Injuries can’t really ever be used as an excuse but it is absolutely a factor that is getting lost
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Referring to the ones who ARE playing
and referenced by Bud: Parks, Bradham, Reliford, JThomas, etc…..
This just makes too much sense
so it won’t happen.
Also, I think I mentioned on another thread that Parks is the new Mangum!
He's in the zip code.
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he's in the next gated community over...right across us-1
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by seminoleballer on Oct 10, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Who knows, maybe the team chemistry will change for the better
with different players regardless of the learning curve they’ll be facing. IMO this team doesn’t really have much identity—in part from the lack of leadership and chemistry.
Championship!
Who do you expect to be the leaders if this were to happen?
Defense: Joyner, CJones?
Offense: EJ, Freeman/Wilder, NOL, all the (1st & 2nd yr) WRs
Championship!
Defense, I agree
Joyner is our best all-around DB IMO and Jones is clearly our best LB.
Offense, I’m not entirely sure. EJ will obviously have to step up but I have a hard time believing a freshman can step up and lead the offense.
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by EnterTheOcho on Oct 10, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
They are playing the best, so that makes sense
Either way, a leader needs to emerge. That is not something that the coaches can manufacture. It is either there or it isn’t.
Los will be a leader, but he is too green right now.
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Is C Jones a very vocal guy though?
Telvin Smith(very vocal) seems like he would be better suited if the players listen to him. With a leader you want a vocal player I don’t believe in leading by example/being quiet.
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by CornNole on Oct 10, 2011 6:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah, that guy did pretty well.
warrick dunn isn’t exactly caesar astride a horse, either. quiet professionals lead in their own way.
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Is Telvin Smith mature to do that?
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by CornNole on Oct 10, 2011 7:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Personally, I'd be willing to tolerate 2 more losses and end up at 7-5 going with the youth movement (rather than, say, 9-3 with the vets)
as long as Jimbo came out and said “Look we are going to start playing the younger guys more to get them experience. In the long run we feel this is the best move for the program.” Just be honest with us. It’s all about managing expectations.
I can't support that
Regardless of what Jimbo says, it’s about the national perception we have. And 7-5 looks BAD AS HELL. We go 9-3, Jimbo and FSU salvage some national respect, maintain a top notch recruiting class, and have a chance at a second consecutive 10 win season.
Gimme some sugar, baby.
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Oct 10, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is
if you stick with the status quo, you still run the risk of losing 2 more games anyway AND your younger players don’t get more experience.
I agree
If they’re equal, play them. But if there’s a big enough difference, which would cause us to lose, no way.
My only point is we need to do everything we can to fix this now and win out.
Gimme some sugar, baby.
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Oct 10, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you better start warming up to the fact that winning out is very unlikley. That is what was said after Oklahoma, Clemson, and WF. This team has no identity on offense or defense and has been hit big by the injury bug to boot. There is a lot of talent on this team and the light will go on at some point but every game will be a battle with a less than 100% EJ for the rest of the year and a makeshift Oline at best.
I'm not really as worried about our remaining schedule as most here.
I think we win the remainder of our ACC games and lose in the swamp. Making us 8-4. We win the bowl game and finish 9-4. Most of the recruiting class is restored…we finish around 5th or so.
My wild prediction
Gimme some sugar, baby.
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Oct 10, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t really worried about Wake either….
by ONOLE05 on Oct 10, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The hearts of millions?
Behind God, Family, America, and their jobs?
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Totally.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
NO WAY!
9-3 means we beat both our rivals and ended the season on a 7 game winning streak.
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I would cream if that happened
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by Tubby Sweetbundle on Oct 10, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
What if it meant going through these same growing pains next season?
At some point its going to catch up to you. I’d rather get it out of the way now…
BTW…I never said who the 2 losses would be to. We could still be UF and UM and lose to BC and NCST ;)
what happened to the growing pains last year?
weren’t we suppose to have those out now? i mean every big time coach gets all the growing pains our after season 1?
I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS SH*T FOR MONTHS NOW.
PLAY KARLOS, PLAY LUC, PLAY TELVIN, PLAY BOTH GREENS, PLAY FREEMAN, PLAY WILDER. For Christ’s sake, if the dude you’re playing is straight up "GETTING F*CKING BEAT, what’s the downside of putting in another guy? He gets beat as well, but has the talent to get it right at some point in the near future and play for the next 3 or 4 years. Holy Hell.
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GREAT MINDS
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All in good fun dude.
Nobody likes this loss.
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And I know you are serious
Because you used all-caps.
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I wouldn't play Karlos over T. Brooks yet who has looked very good in his limited time
I love Karlos but he will make mental mistakes. I haven’t seen that from Brooks yet.
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Well said Michael
I couldn’t agree with this more. Joyner and Brooks at safety sounds great to me. Both Sophmores and they will still be here two more years as upper classmen, not to mention Los will compete with Brooks for the starting spot. And if we weren’t so loaded at WR I would ahve loved to see Los at WR, think he would ahve been anightmare for opposing defenses. More upside at WR IMO, just so physical with speed and pretty good hands too.
by SarasotaSeminole on Oct 10, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Brooks is overdue for PT
I believe Bud said there may have been some injury concerns regard Brooks earlier in the year
by westcoastnolefan on Oct 10, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the youth movement needs to start now
I really would like to see if lets just say the underclassmen are getting 20% of the snaps right now that by our next game it jumps up to 25% and so on. Just like Jenjie stepping aside last year. It does not need to be wholesale in most cases.
There are some I would like to see faster than others. Bradham just is not an impact player on the field lets see what we have with Luc. Spurlock really has been bad for the better part of over a year. Parks has had multiple chances to do anything that would make him be scene as something over average and never has produced a memorable moment. I want to see Brooks and Karlos fight it out for that spot.
The defense...
ish’d the bed like Spud from Trainspotting. It’s Monday afternoon and i’m still smoldering like it’s Saturday night. LB’s were out of position, Parks is unable to perform and Joyner has proven to be selfish. Offensively, we need to run the ball or least commit to running the ball. Utilizing the first 2 games as throwing sessions have backfired. Last time I checked, stopping the run and running the ball were still keys to victory. I’m all for the youth movement but the coaching staff needs to philosophically reevaluate the game plan.
Think he, XR27 and Lonnie are all playing through injury.
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Pryor looks a little pudgy.
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Maybe that has something to do with his injury or whatever it is.
I liked him better when he was leaner and meaner. Screw this “Big FB” type dude, He could block off a LB when he was 210-215. AND run.
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Yea, I don't like the extra weight, either.
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Agreed
I wonder if Gran and Pryor decided that he would put on the weight to better prepare him for the NFL and add possible draft value as a FB. I just don’t think he needs the weight for blocking as much in college (I believe most LBs play below 230).
Whatever it is, it is the coaches fault no doubt
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And now I won't know when he goes #2
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by Marmaduke1 on Oct 10, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
How do we have so many key players playing through significant injuries right now?
I understand that we took a beating against OU, but that can’t be the only reason that our injury reports are straight out of the Bill Belichick playbook when it comes to hiding most of the truth.
Is it something to do with our off season program? Or are we just experiencing some terrible injury luck this season?
by SeminoleSkins87 on Oct 10, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I think its a mix of luck
And injjured players not getting healthy like Datko, Or the injuries affecting their play like Spur, and then putting in guys not ready to fill in which can cause more. Think it all feeds off each other to a point
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Agree with this. We were pretty fortunate overall last year to have very little injuries especially on defense where we were paper thin. Gotta wonder though about Haulstead’s injury. I love LJ’s agressiveness but coaches have to get across that headshots on WRs in practice are unacceptable.
Might not have been a headshot...
may have been a tackle where Willie landed awkwardly…
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by CornNole on Oct 10, 2011 7:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree that to a point, it all starts to pile up and one injury can lead to another.
Whether it means that originally injured players gets worse, or his fill-in gets hurt while replacing him.
But still…am I to believe that teams like Alabama, LSU, OU, and other legitimate top 10-15 teams are all 100% the whole season? I’m sure that they have starters playing with off-season or recent injuries here and there. But it doesn’t seem to hurt them nearly as bad as it hurts us.
And I understand that elite programs like LSU/Bama/OU have been recruiting and coaching ridiculous depth longer than we have, and that helps too.
But sometimes it feels like we’re awfully thin without any sort of legitimate “Plan B” in place when a key guy isn’t 100%. I’d say that the only position that it seems like we’ve been able to successfully turn to for depth this season is WR, and that’s mainly thanks to Greene playing like a freak.
by SeminoleSkins87 on Oct 10, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The injuries, especially on the O-line are reaching a point where you just throw your hands up in disgust like I’m sure OU fans did a few years back when Bradford blew apart his shoulder twice in something like 5 quarters of action. You sigh, take your 4-6 loss season and hope it doesn’t happen again.
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Funny I was just thinking about this
I was starting to think of this season as very similar to OU’s 2009. Bud kept harping on how they were a much better team that had terrible injury and turnover luck.
I suppose that's true, and I'll admit that as a fanbase (myself included), we've been somewhat spoiled recently with injury luck.
Datko basically played without his arms at the end of last season, but he was still healthy and good enough to get by, our DL was worn down by the end of last year but for the most part, we all knew to expect that to happen due to lack of recruiting in recent years, and we were fortunate enough to have Rodney Hudson as the rock of our OL.
And probably most important of all, when Christian Ponder was hurt, we could turn to EJ Manuel, which was sort of an embarrassment of riches when it comes to QB depth in college. Now that we have to go from Manuel to Trickett, it’s sort of a lesson in reality for what the majority of teams have to deal with when their starting QB can’t play.
But still, all of that aside, when I read that Rhodes and Reid are playing injured and that’s part of why they’re not doing so well this season, Pryor is hurt too and that’s why he hasn’t been noticeable this year (and maybe his extra weight that he put on this past off-season could be part of the issue), and I look at the state of our OL (where even the backups are coming off of health issues), it paints a fairly bad picture.
Either we really are suffering some of the worst injury luck that a team can face, or there’s something else going on in addition to the injuries (poor coaching/development of the backups, or our starting guys who are injured yet playing anyway have more reason to not be playing well besides a lingering health problem).
But I suppose that at this point, it all goes back to the collective effort of “righting the ship” and adjusting “the process” and all of that, that Jimbo is trying to answer for following the Wake game.
by SeminoleSkins87 on Oct 10, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I vehemently dissagree with the belief
that we have gotten spoiled by good health. When was the last year we didnt have an injury to an integral positions.
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The coaches have not used the genome sequence data
the software will tell you if a player is genetically predisposed to injury. Another slip up
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The blind squirrel finds a nut, haha!!!
That’s why we need that SEC money. A DNA analyzer (with lucky Rabbit’s foot/Lucky 8 ball attachment)
I can see it now…ESPN using the “injurability” factor to factor into star ratings, but only if Luginbill can get a drop of blood to analyze.
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by CornNole on Oct 10, 2011 7:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree
We missed him the the CU game. The RB option pass for TD, G5 did slip when he planted to reverse course.
He did but I also think he would've been a step late on it
Didn’t recognize it like he should’ve. I think people extrapolate from that one mistake and say he played badly. I thought he was in the right place many more times than not during that game.
>>---l>
I think this
was part of the coaching fail, without rewatching. Stoops thought FSU corners could cover one on one on 3rd and long and blitz. Price and Wake WRs good enough to burn FSU. That was a miscalculation on FSU coaches part.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 10, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
On two of them, Wake just had a perfect play call
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perfect play called
against the defense the coaches called…still on coaches no?
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Some of it is on Parks for being retarded.
On the last Wake TD, it was 0-coverage…and Wake called a slant. Perfect play call against an anticipated blitz. If the call is zone, probably not successful, and that is on Stoops for showing a tendency to blitz on 3rd down.
However, if Parks doesn’t run into his own man & blitzes the gap he was SUPPOSED to blitz, he is untouched & smashes the QB. At least makes that pass considerably more difficult, if not impossible. 4-point swing right there.
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good stuff. That’s on the coaches, then to me, too trusting in bad players, safer to just get the stop and not necessarily the big play.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. My defensive coaching philosophy is more conservative, blitz to stop the run & let your superior DL crush the pocket on 3rd & long.
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I like an occasional blitz on passing downs... but not the kitchen sink.
I think some zone “blitzing” where you are simply overloading a side, but not necessarily pulling in any extra defenders, is the way to go. Don’t want to simply sit back and let the QB pick you apart.
I don't think too man QB's can sit in the pocket for 5+ seconds vs this D-Line...
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Who else do we have at Corner? Waisome?
Reid can be an absolute NIGHTMARE for a Skill guy on offense, He just needs to dial it back and do his job. It’s not like Parks where he CAN’T…CAN’T…CANNOT..DO…THE..JOB, he just doesn’t feel he NEEDS TO. Greg Reid needs a boot in his ass or a Man to Man talk SOMETHING. Whatever he played with against USCe. Remember it. Bottle it up. WHATEVER he has to do. But when he just does his job, it’s incredible.
Partying like it's 2009
Reid is dinged up
but IMO his problem is personality/maturity. He tries too hard to make big plays rather than his assignment… not sure if he can change that about him.
Championship!
Letting some jackwagon ride his scooter?
Christ. Cmon Man.
Partying like it's 2009
its more than that, he is consistently hanging out with his crew from Valdosta, all of which have length legal "ties" and aren't good for him
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Oct 10, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
So what?
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You all are some of the most arrogant, prejudiced, and judgemental
people I’ve ever seen. When it comes to moral character standpoint you are not better than anyone of those young men, in fact, you’re a lot worse off.
dude, I am speaking from expereince, I ran to college to get away from my "home crew"
when you hometown crew follows you to school, it can only be a distraction, and up to this point, he has let them influence him, its taking his focus away from playing, that is all I am saying, and that is where I know we all want GR5’s focus…on the field.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Oct 10, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats your situation,
and who is he going to hang out with? Is he going to make some new college friends that do the same things?
how about his team? I also played collegiate football and my friends for the most part consisted of my teammates.
not a far fetched idea.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Oct 10, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
His teammates would still be classified as "new college friends"
which I’m willing to bet do the same things that his old crew allegedly does.
not really there is solidarity there, and you are focused on something.
I’m not saying it solves everything, but it helps. like I said, all I am saying is that GR5 isn’t fully focusing on the field…he needs that.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Oct 10, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
The scooter gaffe was the second time in the same season that Reid was suspended for a game
Championship!
He wasn't suspended for the scooter incident.
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that's right
he was arrested (for the scooter gaffe) and suspended (for reasons unknown). my bad.
Championship!
He was suspended before. Was never suspended or disciplined for scooter gate
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, he needs to grow up
hasn’t grown into someone who exhibits leadership qualities. I’d like to see him on ST and nickle packages only
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Is it true that Bert Reed and Vic Viloria got into it on the sideline and had to be separated?
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I heard it was Vic and Renegade.
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I heard it was EJ and Clint Purvis.
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I heard it was Jimmy Buffet and Warren Buffet
by New Mexico Nole on Oct 10, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OT sort of
I remember a Miami Heat game when the game needed to be stopped briefly because a fan seated behind the basket got too unruly. When the camera panned over to the fan it turned out to be Jimmy Buffet.
I have been waiting for somebody to get on Clint
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He's not pulling his weight..
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Boy oh boy, this past weekend can go to hell. Didn’t see that one coming – and it is clear that the program is not as far along as we thought, as the players thought, as the coaches thought. We have some problems here this year, and the problem starts with preparation and coaching. Jimbo Fisher did not hide from the responsibility, and he was absolutely right to says the Camster. This isn’t a question of offense or defense, it’s a larger issue of playing smart. If you’re angry, you’re absolutely right to be. While Jeff still thinks this is the right coach and right staff for the job, the staff is now on the clock.
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by Tubby Sweetbundle on Oct 10, 2011 3:30 PM EDT reply actions
While I agree with that it is not a particular side of the football and more of a team issue, Rick Trickett has to be given a hard look when the season ends. Just don’t think his philosphy has worked or yielded desired results over a four year period. Even last year with a completley verteran oline we were eaten alive by Oklahoma in the trenches and average at best aganist Florida and BC who held our running game completley in check.
He has been given carte blanche to recruit and coach the oline as he pleases. I’ve never been truly comfortable with his philosphy on size. It is great when you have a completley veteran oline-not very sustainable in the lean years.
Is it at all realistic/true to say that the seniors, especially a guy like Bradham, just haven't been able to transition from Bowden to Fisher?
Too complacent with the old way, unable to grow into the new?
I think he has an elite body
Maybe he should hit the body building circuit? He passes the eye ball test. And then the school bell rings.
when I said measurables I meant 40 times, bench prees, power clean, vertical etc
not pec size and abs.
I agree with most of this article.
RB: I want to see more of Freeman and Wilder. Still waiting to see what the fuss is about with Freeman as I haven’t seen him do much in the open field when given the opportunity. Can’t block everybody man. But I agree that it’s better than JT (aside from the inexcusable safety, he made a couple nice cuts against WF which I hadn’t seen him do in a while) and Ty Jones. I like the way Wilder finishes his runs. I also like that he taps all of his teammates on the helmet after each run. Little things like those go a long way in making people give the extra effort for you. As long the carries are manageable for them both, I’ll be fine. Not saying that we would do it, but I dislike seeing young RBs get ran into the ground early in their careers.
WR: The young guys are playing and they should continue to. Bert Reed has played pretty good this year when healthy, but he isn’t a Percy Harvin (or even a Ryan Broyles for that matter) and he’s hardly been missed. Seemed like Dent got a little more action against WF. Had 1 reception and a nice block on a Green reception. Still want to see a little more of him, especially if Kenny Shaw continues to play shell shocked like he has. If Rashad Greene continues to stay humble, the sky is the limit. This group should continue to improve.
TE:
Either use freshman Nick O’Leary or no tight end at all.. Totally agree there. O’Leary presents an offense with a lot of options and can be a nightmare for the defense. He can be in-line, in the slot, flanked out wide, and even lined up the backfield and shifted/motioned to take advantage of a matchup based on opposing personnel. He’s being underutilized.
OL: I’ve pretty much lost all hope in Spurlock. Enough is enough. A freshman may be worse, but it’s going to be pretty hard. I have my fingers crossed that either Orelus or Faircloth can step in there soon though.
LB: Have to be careful with the Vince Williams situation. To me, the only bad game he’s had was the Clemson game. He’s not special, but I definitely saw improvement from him up to that point, so I don’t think he’s a lost cause. I think the coaches should just be more careful how they use him in certain situations. We’ll see how he bounces back from the knee thing. Maybe more importantly, what you directly do to Vince, will likely indirectly affect Karlos. It’s just not worth it at this point.
Safety: You pretty much stated what I stated in the post-game thread, so I completely agree. The Parks era needs to come to an end now. They’ve used Brooks in some nickel packages, he’s been in the system just as long as Parks, and hasn’t looked bad when he has played. Give him a shot. If he doesn’t work out, then put Karlos out there.
Freeman looks much better in spread offense IMO
I don’t know about his pass blocking, but he looked much more fluid running the ball out of those formations.
question....
is it more helpful for a freshmen to red shirt or forfeit that red shirt and have him play the rest of the season to get playing time/experience?
i would say (unsolicited opinion)...redshirt is always the best way to go.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Oct 10, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
but do things like body weight, knowledge of the playbook or schemes, or maturity have huge roles?
or do u say wth he will mature as he gets beat up? and he will learn from his mistakes?
I think whether you learn from mistakes is a kid by kid thing....but spending an extra year in a system is always better..
you’ve had a chance to settle, develop, have a better grasp of the system…etc.etc.etc..
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Oct 10, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
They absolutely have roles.
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i figured they had big roles normally,
but this year is not a normal year… well thats debatable. Nm i just wasn’t sure if you brought them in to get experience that way because they would get a lot of playing time. JC
If they are undersized and don't know what they're doing they shouldn't just play because they're young.
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In most cases I'd say redshirt
Most freshmen aren’t physically ready, so give them a year to practice and watch while they get there.
>>---l>
Is Matias hurt or something?
Would have thought he’d get some run if Hart is already playing
by westcoastnolefan on Oct 10, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
Cool
appreciate the info. That def explains it
by westcoastnolefan on Oct 10, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I have come to some conclusions reading this
Our recruiters need to begin a movement right now to recruit the universal soldier, robotics and all who never gets hurt.
Another overlooked aspect to me is the chaplain, Clint Purvis, what is he really telling these guys in those heart to heart talks? Is it affecting concentration, is Jimbo getting feedback on this?
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wha? are you serious? Purvis is affecting them? what about the water girls? the mascot? the training staff?
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Oct 10, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Big Perv is up to something.
I know it…
Gimme some sugar, baby.
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Oct 10, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
as long as we don't see him with Princess Leia chained to him, i think we are in the clear.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Oct 10, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hating on the team chaplain...
Man we’ll be lucky to win a game this season
he's always got that 2nd career as the bob's bigboy model.
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Smooth I am kidding, I am kidding!
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i thought as much but man, the way stuff is flying around here today, I'm not taking anything for granted.. :)
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Oct 10, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I really thought you were on to something
Is he really necessary on the field? Is he helping them focus on scheme? Or telling them it’ll always be alright?
Go tell it to Moses.
by FLpanhandler on Oct 10, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Datko
I know he has been injured the last 2 years, but when exactly did he get hurt enough not to play this weekend?
When I heard Jimbo commenting on his situation, I could not tell what exactly happened.
Maybe I missed it on here, but was Jimbo holding out Datko just like Manuel because he thought we could beat WF and Duke without them both?
by LincolnHighNole on Oct 10, 2011 4:20 PM EDT reply actions
Finally.....sanity returns
I remember listening to a FSU football game in 1976. Probably before most of you were born. I digress…sorry.
The game took place in Norman, Oklahoma against a top five team that made an appearance in Doak just a few weeks ago.
Bobby B was upset after two earlier losses, one of which was a total ass kicking at the hands of UM.
He started some freshmen that day and we played fairly well. Forgot the score but we played better than anyone thought was possible.
IMHO, playing those young guys set the stage for our meteoric rise and two Orange Bowl appearances against……the same team where it all started.
Funny how history has a way of repeating itself.
Start a team playing Oklahoma and end with that team’s legacy playing Oklahoma.
Start with insertion of young, talented, but inexperienced guys.
Finish with older, more mature and experienced guys.
Great move on BB’s part to use young guys and think about the future and not the remaining season. Hate to think where we might be today had the old man not taken that step.
I have come to the same conclusion...
…with the only difference being that I would play the new kid now…hold our better players in reserve and start to game plan only for Miami and UF. Honestly I don’t think I would have a problem if Jimbo only played 2’s and 3’s against he other teams so as to hold back his 1’s for the two remaining important games on our schedule. At this juncture those are the only two games I care about since this year has turned into a disaster!
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Disagree on throwing away the season for many reasons
I want to see young guys play so long as it doesn’t automatically result in losses.
Not sure recruits would understand FSU having a losing season while playing in the ACC.
Also would hate to see FSU walk away from the two longest streaks it currently has going. Winning seasons and bowl appearances.
There is nothing I have seen this year
from the seniors that would make me think that straight benching them would result in an automatic loss. Hell, we might be better.
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just watch the WF game for the first time
There are a few things that I notice throughout the game that we need to improve on !!!!
1’s is the obvious OL play (or lack thereof) we had a few runs, finally, but pass protection took a big step back. I know Hart got his first start and could do nothing but hold, but Sanders had his worst game of the year. It is crazy how THE FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY is so paper thin on the OL and Trickett is going to have to make this unit play considerably better or he is going to be out the door. No way this OL should be this bad, and I have noticed there poor play from the 1st game and there is very little improvement.
RB’s played like a freaking rollercoaster. JT sound never play another snap after that crap on the goal line. We are now going to have to resort to playing true freshman other then Ty jones. I know Freeman is good but we need to be able to put a more experienced player in for pass protection. I wish CT the best in his back injury.
WR’s played the best out of any position on the field other than a few drops there is not much to fuss about from this unit. And how about the two green’s they are going to be good for a few more years.
TE’s suck!!! That is all I noticed from this position. Where was NOL?
Defense was played better then the score indicates but needs improvement in coverage. WF had about every break go their way, we would have Price running for his life and somehow slings it for a first down. DL is not as good as I thought they were going to be but they need to play better. If we stop Harris on the two 45+ yard runs they rushing number we outstanding. We have to have the LB’s step up, they are in a battle with the safeties to see which position sucks the most.
The coaching staff has to do a better job. We have too much talent to be 2-3. Penalties kill us and once you have a reputation of being a penalized team the ref’s will flag you for anything so I don’t see the penalties going away this year. I hope this team plays better this week, if we lose to DUKE I am going to start breaking sh**.
GO NOLES we can still have a 10 win season
we suck
There can be no second-guessers unless there is a first-guesser.
by terpyturtles on Oct 10, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
there are going to be some serious realization and changes for a 10 win season the be attainable.
it can happen, but its a long shot. it is sad to say but I think UM would really hurt us if we played right now. other than that, I think the rest of the schedule is “doable” but watching Miami on saturday, they weren’t amazing by any means but they have a great running game and jacory finds a nut a time or two.. i think they would be a huge challenge if we stay the same.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Oct 10, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
UF with a health QB
I think UF is a much better team then thug U with brantley health, and he should be by the time we see them
Does anyone think
this has to do with Fisher’s somewhat cold reaction to Shaw’s injury going in to the half against OK. I wish I had the video. I just remember thinking it was a bit, well, cold. I don’t think he even mentioned Kenny by name.
I could be.
But look at how he spoke about Chris Thompson and then Kenny Shaw and there’s a big difference. Now he may not have wanted to speak about it because he wanted the players to focus. But he could have handled the situation better I think.
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by Tubby Sweetbundle on Oct 10, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you are reaching too much on this. I don't think there is an issue at all.
Kenny got a concussion but came back to the stadium at the end of the game. CT got broke his back. It is still broken today, Kenny seemed to be fine within hours of leaving the hospital.
No I don't think anyone does
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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 10, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bud, we are usually on the same page but I can't agree with sitting seniors for the sake of giving the younger players more experience. NOT YET ANYWAY.
While the expectations we had for this team are history, and while the goals for the remainder of the season need to be revised, I am not ready to call it a season and risk having an extra loss or two for the sake of the future. I want us to win as many games as possible this year, with the best player available.
I am not saying that if a younger player is outperforming a senior he should wait his turn. If a freshmen is outperforming a senior, then yes, start the freshmen. We only see the weeks finished product on the field on Saturday for 3.5 hours, we don’t know what happens in between those Saturdays. I have to believe that the coaches will start and play the player who they feel will give the team the best chance to win. I have to believe that and I think everyone else should too. That has been Jimbo’s philosophy since day one, and now with a fire under his ass for the first time during his short tenure, I have to believe he will demand the coaches start the player who gives us the best chance to win.
If we were to drop one or two of the next 4 games, then I would be ready to play for the young-uns to get them some game time experience, but not yet.
I don’t expect you to change your opinion, but I thought I would share mine.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I think both of your opinions are valid
But if I had a gun to my head I would prefer to play the young guys in preparation for real game time experience for 2012, especially with our brutal OOC schedule to start the season. We are goign to ahve to count on some young guys to get it done, especially on the OL and I want them to ahve as much experience as possible so we can hit thr ground running so to speak. Yes we may sacrifice a win or two but I think long term is much more important than short term.
by SarasotaSeminole on Oct 10, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends for me...
Do we need that extra W to make a bowl / have a winning season? If prepping for the future costs us 1 game and that game prevents us from continuing the streak, then no it is not worth it IMO.
As the Wake game has shown us...
never take a game for granted. Don’t assume we’ll have enough wins to continue the streak, because we might not.
by seminoleballer on Oct 10, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s an opinion piece. If you’re not willing to give up an extra loss, then you’re not willing to go young. ’tis the premise
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With the rest of the teams on our schedule
Our freshmen have plenty of time to grow up before Miami and UF.
Aside from those games we should still be able to win with Bradham, Parks, Spurlock, Reed and JT/TJ as backups.
by vickers8 on Oct 10, 2011 7:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Only senior that has a chance of having draft stock take a hit is 13. Would not
be surprised if someone takes him low though and turns him into something useful. Zebrie will keep playing, so he’ll keep his chance to earn a draft pick. Outside of that? I can’t think of anyone, senior wise I want to see on the field. Wait, Mike Harris and Shawn Powell. Why so little of Mike Harris, anyone know? He banged up?
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 10, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to agree with Frank here
I think you probably do sit some of these guys, but you do it because you think it will help us win now.
YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!
I can think of two very important goals for this season that are still in play.
Florida State
NOW
2-3
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by SeminoleMike on Oct 11, 2011 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
On the other hand
would you rather win the battle, or the war?
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 11, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we improve since we really don't have any more of these spread teams to play
I think Vince Williams and Nigel Bradham will improve since they won’t be having to drop back in pass coverage as much, and I feel we will see drastic improvement on both sides of the ball
I was thinking the same thing
Although Duke spreads it out some as far as I know, but once we play Maryland, UM, etc. those will be teams that fit their skillset more. The question is will the young guys take their spot by then.
Can anyone fill me in on what's up with Mike Harris?
I don’t recall seeing him against WF, although I could be mistaken (was at the bar).
He played, I remember that, but not much from what I remember.
I was wondering about this myself.
by seminoleballer on Oct 10, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha yeah, same here.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 10, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually really looking forward to film review
for that reason only. Seems we almost have abandoned nickel. Really scratching my head on that one….given how incredibly, non-existently, nauseating our LB’s are. Get one of those f’sticks off the field any chance you get.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 10, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Top 3 CB's have been banged up.
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When did Harris get hurt?
I’ve been asking about XR all year and haven’t heard anything about him being hurt. And supposedly Reid was fine Saturday.
Since our LB’s don’t provide run support, I’d rather take my chances with an extra DB (banged up veteran or young healthy guy).
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 11, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
He got hurt
but came back in the second half
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 11, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
conspicuous absence
of talk about EJ here. But I think he still offers so much more than Trick, bless his heart. Having EJ in there is our only hope of getting a run game going again in my view because of the threat he presents. But man, I’m not sure he’s a better passer sometimes.
EJ is a junior though, and I don’t think anyone wants Clint over EJ. Even an immobile EJ
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Agree with Sarasota, both are right
From a PR standpoint, if Im Jimbo, I dont say much about changes to starters playing time. I would just give the younger guys more snaps if they have earned it/shown promise in practice from wk to wk. Too much drama from my view, goals are lost move on, play the guys that will be there in 12 and beyond. What is more valuable? Keeping recruiting on fire, or a cpl extra wins this yr? I believe in the future movement as much as institutionally possible for this staff.
If Freeman gets more playing time, will EJ/Trickett actually throw it in the flats to him?
If the QB can recognize a blitz is coming and Freeman can get outside just enough, that may help make his blocking less of a factor. We just haven’t thrown to a RB all season—like not even a glance at them.
want to see more screens to him.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 10, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of which
where has the RB middle screen gone? I’ve seen that about 4 times and it’s worked great every time.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 10, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The only reason it's worked
is because the DL doesn’t notice a difference between our OL bolcking on screens and non-screens. They just blow through either way. Genius really.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 11, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
ha,
that’s about right.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I think if we sit the Seniors it will have a negative impact.
you’re telling your team, fans, and future players that when you hit a few bumps just throw it in and plan for the future. IMO, we need to just finish the season to the best we can 9-3, save your top 5 recruiting class. Make a few personnel changes that are needed (coaches and players) and play every game as if you’re the underdog. For some reason this team thought they were a top 5 team, because of the media hype, but in fact last year they couldn’t win the ACCCG, let alone their own division.
Um, they definitely won the division
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Would it be better
to just let Spurlock finish the season? That way the Freshman behind him can redshirt and finish this year in the S&C program, which I think would benefit him more than playing now, personally.
Go Knights! Go Boilers! Go 'Noles! Not necessarily in that order.
If he keeps blocking like I saw him vs. Wake, he WILL finish the season when he gets EJ knocked out for good.
by lawdy15 on Oct 10, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
David "The Swinging Gate" Spurlock
I guess they need to do something. I was just thinking the freshmen needed to redshirt and bulk up. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do though. And I pray to God he doesn’t get EJ knocked out. Disaster right there.
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by UCFBoilerNole on Oct 10, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Seniors from last years team
I just want to point out how much we miss all the seniors from last year. We all know Ponder was masterful at reading protections, making his checks at the line, calling out blitzes, etc. Then you had an AA guard in Hudson (man was he fun to watch, just absolutely dominating), and a solid Center in McMahon. The line was a strength and is now our glaring weakness. But let us not forget Linebackers Kendall Smith and Mister Alexander. In no way were they superstars or even all conference players but they played solidly all year long for the most part. Then you lose Haulstead who was a great possession receiver and was great at blocking on the edge for screens and in the run game. You also lose Easterling who was underrated as far as his importance to the success of the offense. Now add in that LP24 is definitely hiding an injury as he is just not the same player and he just didn’t forget how to play….there is a reason Jimbo is not utilizing him as much as he did last year…a little birdie I know from the team even hinted to me he is fighting a nagging injury. Lastly EJ was hurt and we know that an EJ without his running ability takes away 50% of his game and effectiveness. Maybe if EJ is healthy we win at Clemson, maybe not, but we most definitely win at WAKE even if Jimbo and staff make the same mistake of not taking WF seriously. I think we took for granted a few of our Seniors, but this really has been a perfect storm in terms of everything that could go wrong for FSU has gone wrong.
by SarasotaSeminole on Oct 10, 2011 8:48 PM EDT reply actions
Does anyone remember how young UF's
Defense was when they won the 2006 bcsnc? I remember them being real young.
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by Shooter McFrattin on Oct 10, 2011 9:10 PM EDT reply actions
offensive line
blame it on the 2010 recruiting class of getting one….repeat that..one lineman. Of course he was a dynamite linemen we’re all familiar with. Fooseman. Mark that name down as he will certainly challenge Walter Jones as our best lineman of all time.
Is it any wonder we have to put true freshmen out there in the line of fire?
Never have figured out if 2010 was a really, really bad year for offensive linemen but waiting on 2011 to load up left us with little choice but to throw 17 and 18 year olds into the fire.
Sure didn’t have any problems after Fisher was named HC right?
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put me in the "slow line" trying to check out at Wal Mart
because if you were responding to my post your response completely eluded me.
wasn't sure if you
if you were being serious or sarcastic.
Can’t say the worm turned the day Jimbo turned hc or not. But the options on the O line in 2010 must have been very, very bad to have put us in the shape we find ouselves on 10/10/11. I love the fact that our staff has put so much emphasis on the D line but is it possible that emphasis has hurt us on the other side of the biguns?
It’s great to have top rated recruiting classes but needs should trump ESPN rankings.
This is just the opinion of someone on the 35 yard line in the nose bleed section so it counts for little.
What about all the other position groups?
There is some youth, but none of the others are as bad off as Trickett’s. Heck, Dawsey’s unit was missing 4 out of his starting 5 for a stretch, right?
Even if we dismiss 2009, getting only Foose in 2010 is hurting us right now.
Indeed it is
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 10, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
hey bud,
i was just on ESPN.com and it said that mario edwards was at the RR rivalry and really like OU and might consider them… your thoughts?
see a few postings down
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how big of a drop off is it if goldman signs and edwards doesn't?
is it a huge blow or minor? I mean two elite guys, would u consider them interchangeable in value even though they are two different positions?obviously we would love both.
Interesting trade...Goldman with Casher and Fowler, or the 3 DE's...hrmmmm.
Think I’d still go with the 3 DE’s just because I’m intrigued by ME Jr’s size at DE. Normally I’d go with that elite DT though.
B. Jenkins got bigger
not sure it has made him a better player though.
Sometimes when I talk to my wife, I bring him up as an example that size is not always better.
I definitely think he’s better, but I didn’t think he was that good.
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I think B. Jenkins...
is a very good player.. I mean he was still one of the nation’s leaders in sacks. But I’ve always said that he’s more of a linebacker playind DE instead of a true DE. If you look at him, even though he did get bigger, he still looks like a linebacker physique wise. Teams are noticing that as big of a threat he is against the pass, he still can be as big of a liability against the run. Especially when you concentrate most of your runs to his side. He’ll be a linebacker in the NFL. Stoops scheme, which heavily depends on rushing just the front four, needs all of the d-linemen to be good at run support. Which is why we are going after bigger DE’s. B. Jenkins is most effective when we are moving him around and mixing up different packages with him, which we haven’t seen since the Oklahoma game.
As far as trading M. Edwards and getting Goldman; I say we need to get both but Edwards is the most important. We can use him in so many different ways that we can’t do with Goldman. From lining up at the End to moving him to Defensive Tackle and maybe even have him standing up in some packages can cause a lot of issues. Just like the lions and Nebraska did with Suh. Plus if he really runs in the high 4.5’s to 4.6 range at that size, you could probably be up all night designing different plays and packages for him. We already got Defensive Tackles but adding Goldman would be icing on the cake…. But if you think about having one team with Edwards, Casher, and Fowler to play with, coupled with Newberry… That should be illegal…
wait a second... this cant be right...
according to ESPN Wilder is leading our team in rushing (85 yards)
there must be a reasonable explanation for this
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He also ripped off a big run at the end one of the games
That had a penalty declined just to end the game
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It was the ULM game.
Last play of the game. Opposing coach just wanted the pain to stop.
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And most importantly...
we don’t run after the 1st half so who ever had the most yards after the 1st two games will still be the leading rusher….
watched the Wake game for the first time last night
I liked what I saw from the O on the first couple drives, good mix of play-calling (sweep, screen, runs, etc). Don’t know why we resort to going deep as much as we do. Turnovers lost the game for us. We need to learn how to be patient on O.
Championship!
Wow
what-the-fasdfaisdfnpmasoigjap!!
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by Shooter McFrattin on Oct 11, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't really matter who you put in
If you have a piss poor game plan every other week. Replacing seniors with younger players this early in the season sends a bad message.
These seniors have more than enough talent to thrive with adequate preparation. This coaching staff needs to get its shite together.
Unfortunately when you overlook
A decent team who has a lot to prove you get FSU losing to WF. They played around and did some light practicing during the bye week and WF went all out and actually studied film.
we should have beat Wake regardless of who our starting QB was
poor decisions & execution on O lost the game.
Championship!
Our starting Left Tackle re-injuring his shoulder again and being shut down for the rest of his career didn't help, either.
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The thing that really frightens me is the reason our guys arent playing intelligently may be because they
just aren’t intelligent In which case the problem can’t really be fixed. This may not be a coaching issue as we (including me assumed) Its possible we have a team full of idiots. I hat to say that as blunt as that but It if the shoe fits.
class of 99
definitely true
intelligence is completely ignored in recruiting rankings and yet it’s crucial… see the difference between players like R. Greene & Reliford. Hope Jimbo will be more selective (esp. w smaller classes).
Championship!
I don't know if you have ever been to college
But the coaches always check the grades of recruits they consider for scholarships. It is all random sequence. Football players are like other segments of the population, sometimes you get some that are not as quick as others. It works the same with a fan base. You get a few that have no idea what they are talking about.
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If you were replying to me sig my sig to awnser your first question.
And you also proved my point for me It is all random sequence which can generate outliers (FSU?). So its entirely possible to get a group of below average guys.
class of 99
Lonnie Pryor
Any chance Lonnie could run the rock at all. Good player not even used in the offense whatsoever. Are players need to realize that people are not scared of the uniforms anymore.
Play with passion and fly around. Most of our guys look like they are out there to look good in their uniform #13 #83 #38.
Last year we were annoited Lonnie Pryor superman
and now we don’t see him at all, it seems like.
If he's injured too
That makes the starting RB, starting QB, 3/4 starting WRs, the starting FB, and starting LT, starting C (moved to guard and playing at half speed). Sanders must be some kind of injury avoiding wizard.
Intelligence
Maybe the players are not playing “intelligently” because they are not being coached “intelligently”.
Has an APB been issued to help locate Brandon Jenkins?
by ogt10 on Oct 11, 2011 7:37 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'm not gonna lie... I saw a headline along the lines of "Stoops Fired" and I wasn't too disappointed.
Before I realized it was Mike.
Coming from a Bama fans perspective who lives in Tallahassee...
I see a lot of “sense” in this post. If your seniors aren’t playing at a high level then they should be replaced. On the other hand..
I remember in 2007, Saban’s first year, Bama went on a 4 game skid late in the season including a loss to LA Monroe. During and actually before that time we had a few seniors and some highly touted underclassman (probably about 5-7 guys) get in Sabans “dog house” and stay there. Saban preached the “process” from day one and if you didn’t buy in he didn’t want you. Honestly, it isn’t hard to get on Sabans bad side. All it takes is not buying in to to how he wants you to play or train. Also, doing stupid things like selling drugs to undercover cops doesn’t help either but I regress. Point is Saban chose to go with less talented players who did their job and bought in, over more talented players who tried to do it their way. It really didn’t matter if they were a freshman or senior. The player who “got it” played. This caused us to lose some games but it also set a mindset that if you don’t do your job, you won’t have a job.
I also remember in 2008 Donta Hightower started as a true freshman over a senior who had been a three year starter. Why? Well cause Donta is a physical beast who got it from day one but also cause that senior refused to buy in to Saban’s way. On the flip side in 2009 when Donta went out with an injury for the year, everyone thought that Nico Johnson a highly touted true freshman 5* LB would take his spot….Nope, instead a undersized, less athletic senior who knew his job and played a high level started all the way through the National Championship game. So just being more talented isn’t always about who is more athletic, stronger or faster. The mental part of the game sometimes (most of the time) outweighs the physical part.
Now I understand Jimbo isn’t Nick Saban (yet) but they run very similar programs. FSU is trying to rebuild a program and Jimbo is trying to instill a mindset that the best player will play. It again may not be who is the most athletic but the one who knows his job and will do it correctly. By simply sitting the seniors you may send the wrong message..On the other hand you may also send the message that it doesn’t matter your experience, your starting job is up for grabs.
FSU is certainly at a crossroads and how Jimbo responds will make or break his career at FSU. I believe that you guys will look back at this year and remember it as a turning point. Much like Bama fans look back at 2007.
Good luck on the rest of the season..
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by bammer on Oct 11, 2011 9:23 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
I tried to rec this and flagged it instead.
ACC officiating contagious
by GoNoles2011 on Oct 11, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
"The mental is to the physical as 4 is to 1"-Coach Bob Knight
And considering how physical he was, it’s no wonder his players went half-mental.
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mental toughness is something
Saban preaches constantly. I think….No i KNOW he would play a guy who had mental toughness but lacked ability over a weak minded, emotionally charged super athlete. Its why he failed in the NFL.
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Is Jimbo eligible for a refund for the $$$ spent on mental condition coaching?
It’s not working….
Championship!
I completely agree with this article…. Let the pups play & if we get beat let it be bcuz of rookie mistakes… Not SENIOR mistakes
hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard
by lawj on Oct 11, 2011 9:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Bud- did you ever see the potential of all these issues back in spring/summer
or has the situation been metastasized by a sequence of events (losses + injuries)? I suddenly feel things aren’t as smooth in Tallahassee as the recruting classes and coaching staff hype was leading me to beleive.
I did
The 1-4 this year is pretty much set in stone: some order of Oklahoma, Alabama, LSU, and Oregon.
But after that, everything is a mess between 5-13, typically seeing these teams in some order: Arkansas, Boise State, Florida State, Oklahoma State, Ohio State, Nebraska, Stanford, South Carolina, Texas A&M.
As ’Nole fans, you probably think FSU is head-and-shoulders above that group of teams. Personally, I would not have Stanford in my top 15. Everyone has his or her own preference, and that is part of what makes college football fun. But FSU does have a lot of questions that ’Nole fans assume will be answered. But, for a moment, think about what writers might see. For instance:
Will EJ Manuel be able to throw accurately?
How will the team be affected by Jimbo Fisher’s time while dealing with his son’s illness? (get well, Ethan. You’re in the thoughts and prayers of every Seminole)
Will the receiving corps mature and play to its potential?
Will FSU lose anyone to academic issues? Reliford (missed spring ball)? Others?
Will Andrew Datko and Zebrie Sanders, two senior tackles with a combined 65+ starts between them get back from off-season surgery in time to benefit from the off-season program?
Who will play the other guard spot? Will David Spurlock hang up the cleats after multiple significant concussions?
Who will start at middle linebacker and safety?
If all of these issues work out, then and only then is FSU a dark-horse national title contender. Now, most of these will work out. But assuming everything here works out is likely foolish. And considering this is May, and we don’t know the answers to many of these questions, FSU’s ranking of 9th doesn’t look so crazy.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 11, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow
spot on
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 11, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately most of them have not worked out and
womp womp. Sucks….
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
If we apply the premise of this article--
seniors who do not represent a significant upgrade over younger backups should not be starting.
and generalize seniors to upperclassmen, IMO we should only keep the following starters:
- Offense: EJ, Krug, Stork, Pryor, Rodney Smith.
- Defense: Jenkins, Harris.
There’s a lot of rotation on the DL (esp. DT) that is working well, so I don’t think that should be changed. And I think we use Vince in goal line packages. And maybe we want Ty Jones in to block. Reid is a toss-up… maybe if he doesn’t show improvement, limit him to ST and nickle packages.
Championship!
So which juniors should sit?
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 11, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
None lol
He just named them all.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 11, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
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No Werner
I would sit Jenkins before I sit Werner to be honest with you
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but yes, still a true soph. LOL.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 11, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, hey, now...I know he's a soph.
Mis-used that question mark I guess… was questioning OP as to why HE was talking about dropping Werner in the jettision the upperclassmen convo.
Apologies.
Poor guy.
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More for you, then, right?
#SilverLining
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
He's got a wife at home to get after him if he stays out late or does anything to jeopardize that incoming paycheck.
I think we need to get all of our players married and then we’d see a real machine out there.
Just think about how nasty Timmy J might be the morning after the Mrs. got on his case for coming home late.
Good news, everyone
We got linked up to today’s Curious Index on EDSBS and lumped into the despondent and irrational crowd re: the October schedule!
In other news, I could watch that Elvis Les Miles gif all day.
I have mixed feelings about this article...
I agree changes need to be made, but I don’t think the season should be imploded the way you suggest. I think everything that could have gone wrong has, and then some. The Offensive Line is the biggest culprit in our season. Preseason injuries and concerns never got any better and just amplified as the season has gone on. Now we are sitting without Datko, who would have thought that? Oh and who would have thought that we wouldn’t be able to run the ball at all?
The defense has been the biggest let down up and to this point. Now OU and Clemson are as close to elite offenses as you are going to see in College football. Our defense played ok in both games even though we gave up a lot of points. I think a lot of blame needs to be placed on the defense secondary and O line.
I don’t think we should be yanking seniors playing time. They are seniors and I also don’t think the deserve the golden spoon but they shouldn’t be taken out because the season isn’t going well. On the offensive line I agree we should change things up but also keep in mind that EJ is one hit from sitting the season and could turn into a Datko situation. Just might not be worth getting a young guy playing time. If so put trickett behind the line, I’d rather see him get beat up. I agree that Thomas is a bum but Ty should still play.
offensive linemen
wisconsin has huge linemen, about 6 or 7 freshmen go between 6’7 to 6’9 and way over 300 lbs they have about 12 o linemen. they get skill players from florida and va. we need to get some of those big farm boys from out there. please tell jimbo.
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