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Scouting FSU's Opponents: Week 6

BATON ROUGE, LA - OCTOBER 08:  Spencer Ware #11 of the Louisiana State University Tigers runs past Jaye Howard #6 of the Florida Gators at Tiger Stadium on October 8, 2011 in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.  The Tigers defeated the Gators 41-11.  (Photo by Chris Graythen/Getty Images)

This is a weekly feature on TomahawkNation.com in which we review the performances of each of FSU's upcoming opponents. I will not do game charts for games against D1-AA opponents. All game charts are non-garbage time only.

This takes a lot of work. I hope that your enjoyment of each game increases with additional knowledge of the opponent.

Week 1 | Week 2 | Week 3 | Week 4 | Week 5

MD GT
Plays 64 79
Yards/Play 5.23 4.93
MD outgained GT by 5% per play
Field Position MD 26 GT 35

FSU travels to Duke this week, but the Blue Devils didn't play last weekend, so we'll move quickly to Maryland. Maryland went down to Georgia Tech, got down big early and then fought back to lose 21-16. Maryland slightly outgained Georgia Tech, but Tech ran 23% more plays and had almost a 10-yard edge in starting field position. Maryland's passing game is a total mess. They pulled Danny O'Brien (2010 rookie of the year) and the quarterbacks combined to go 5-23 for 53 yards and two picks. That is one of the most awful stat lines of the year. Did Georgia Tech take its foot off the pedal? I didn't watch this game yet, so I cannot say for sure, but up 21-3 entering the 4th quarter, Tech's offense basically quit. Credit to Maryland for not giving up. Game story here from Testudo Times

CMU NC State
Plays 59 79
Yards/Play 7.49 5.19
CMU outgaind NCST by 44% per play
Field Position CMU 33 NCSU 40

A team outgains its opponent by a significant margin but loses the game because its offense gives the opposing offense tremendous field position thanks to a +4 turnover margin? We've seen this before. That 7.49 yards/play must be concerning to N.C. State, but the Pack has to be satisfied with its red zone efficiency (5 TDs in 6 tries). And QB Mike Glennon keeps getting better and better.  Here's a CMU-NCSU postmortem. Here's BTP's game story. And here's an excellent statistical analysis showing how NC State's DC forgot how to be an defensive coordinator.

UM VT
Plays 60 63
Yards/Play 8.6 7.7
UM outgained VT by 12% per play
Field Position UM 24 VT 24

The Miami Hurricanes went to Virginia Tech and played their hearts out. And lost 38-35. Both teams lack defensive depth and as such, a key injury or two helpd the opposing offense run up a ton of yards on each other. It's really hard to say either team outplayed the other. You have to be impressed with Miami's run game, though some of the success undoubtedly came because VT's defensive line depth is nonexistent and VT has a 258 pound true frosh at nose guard who was routinely dominated. Miami did let tight end with an arm Logan Thomas to go 23-25 through the air, which is terrible defense. What can be changed with the defense? The DC says it is already as simple as can be. Golden says a lot of guys believe they are much better than they really are. The 7th floor says get used to Miami losing a lot of games. And some Cane fans are realizing what I put out almost a year ago: they have no depth and the recruiting isn't doing anything to fix it. Miami is going to be down for a while, though I do expect them to make a bowl this season.  

BC Clem
Plays 51 73
Yards/Play 4.80 6.71
Clem outgained BC by 40% per play
Field Position BC 29 CLEM 31

Boston College lost to the Clemson Tigers, 36-14. BC was thoroughly dominated in this one, being outgained by 40% per play and running 43% fewer plays. BC was also -2 in turnovers. This could have been worse, but Clemson QB Tahj Boys was injured and is day-to-day with a hip injury.

BC is still very banged up, and will now seek a redshirt for #1 DT Kaleb Ramsey and RB Montel Harris. Ramsey's continued absence hurts BC's defense every week and he is one of the few BC defenders capable of causing FSU trouble. 

Here are the BCI post-game thoughts.  And can BC win out like it did last season? I think BC has a chance to lose out.

Virginia had a bye week.

UF LSU
Plays 45 52
Yards/Play 4.29 7.25
LSU outgained UF by 69% per play
Field Position UF 27 LSU 35

The Florida Gators found out what it's like to play a road game in a hostile environment without its starting quarterback -- a lot like it was when they hosted Alabama. LSU whipped Florida 41-11, outgaining the Gators by 69% per play. UF's defense was the underwhelming part of this game, as LSU ran up 7.25 yards/play. I expected UF to get trounced, but I was thinking more along the lines of 30-0, not 41-11. Here's the rapid recap from Andy Hutchins. 

What did you take from these six upcoming opponents this past weekend?

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My impression of GT game

… was that GT did let off the gas, and Tevin didn’t hit some wide open receivers. It wasn’t as close as the score indicated.

Once again, it seemed GT’s success mostly depended on GT, and not really what the other team was or wasn’t doing.

by sonofagunn on Oct 12, 2011 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Duke smells an upset?

FSU’s issues are well known here, Duke is on a (relative) roll, and the Devils had a bye week to prepare. Duke smells an upset, but I think that FSU dominates on both sides of the ball and wins big (finally). Has anybody heard an early line on this game?

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by GeoNole94 on Oct 12, 2011 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm going to view the rest of 2011

as if I’m watching spring, 2012. I hope the coaching staff sees it the same way. Looking for progress and potential for next year. Margin of victory doesn’t matter.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 12, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So if we win 70-0 or 6-3

you will feel the same? I think, for the most part anyway, a convincing win is a convincing win. If we eek out a win it won’t be because we played well and I won’t be excited about any more upcoming games.

I think margin of victory will be key here for the confidence of everyone, fans, players, and coaches.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 12, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

The score is important

but I think the way we play is the most important. All of the issues we have been talking about (e.g., penalties, horrible o-line play, blown defensive coverages, etc.) must be improved and progress made.

by YeahCumon on Oct 12, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can agree there

I’ll take close wins if it gives the real young guys time to grow.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 12, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

this has been a brutal stretch...

maybe the worst I can remember, considering preseason expectations.

by jasonole59 on Oct 12, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

2009... USF, BC, GT back-to-back-to-back?

That was pretty miserable as well.

Followed it up with the shocker of a win at UNC, so maybe we can drum something like that up this season.

by arrdub on Oct 12, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for extreme truthiness.

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by Dogrel on Oct 12, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Opened at FSU -10.5

a ton of money jumped on that, now the line is -13.5 and I expect it will jump to 14 or higher by gameday.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 12, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, in other words, similar to the Wake game

Yippee!

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by Dogrel on Oct 12, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

James Wilder,

Please become a Spencer Ware

Gimme some sugar, baby.

by Tubby Sweetbundle on Oct 12, 2011 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Couldn't be happier he's going to get his chance at RB

before we ship him to the other side.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 12, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has it been said he will be in the rotation?

Is it confirmed we’re sitting Jermaine and Tye? I hope so.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 12, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Isnt he leading the team in rushing?

smh….

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by Shooter McFrattin on Oct 12, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not that I know of, for sure.

But getting two carries on the 2nd drive in Jimbo’s beloved “compressed RZ”…and producing a 1st down and TD on those two is enough indication for me.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 12, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

after back to back successful running plays I kept waiting to see him w/some more carries…still waiting.

by nole country for old men on Oct 12, 2011 10:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wondered if it had something to do with losing the ball when he hit the ground

Jimbo jumped all over JT for the same thing last year in the CFA bowl and JT didn’t return. Very strange.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 12, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

reminds me of NOL vs OU—talented young freshman made some plays and then vanished. i don’t really understand it

by nole country for old men on Oct 12, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

?

i was wondering if this may be a result of jimbo being both the oc and hc. i’m thinking a hc who’s only a hc would tell the oc, “hey, let’s get that kid back in there. he was having success.” i don’t know.

by nole country for old men on Oct 12, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jimbo’s blowing smoke. I think of the games I’ve seen he mismanaged this one the worst. There was still time to run the ball in the 3rd quarter.

by nole country for old men on Oct 12, 2011 2:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Exactly. If I see Ty Jones or Jermaine Thomas this weekend before garbage time, I'm going to be pissed off.

It should be the DFree and Wilder show. Time for Gran/Trickett to make their money getting them trained on what to do in pass pro (and/or Jimbo to send them on swings and checkdowns w/ no other responsibility to make sure they don’t have to)

by lawdy15 on Oct 12, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

at this point....

They dont even deserve garbage time….especially JT..

by WPNoleJ on Oct 12, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

I was very surprised he didn’t touch the ball the rest of the game.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 12, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doubt he moves now that we have only TWO true RBs returning next year,

assuming Chris Thompson is done forever (hope not) and assuming Beverly is officially a FB. If Chris IS done, do we try to sign make a stronger push to sign a 2nd RB this year?? I’d love to wait until 2013, but we might not have that luxury anymore.

Gimme some sugar, baby.

by Tubby Sweetbundle on Oct 12, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

These are some terrible teams

but I wouldn’t put us above 75% to beat any of them. And that distinction goes only to Duke. They’re all in a mess, but the only thing separating us is talent (which should provide a much larger gap then it is).

2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent

by SoCalNole on Oct 12, 2011 10:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

What's your percentages? Remember, 90% confidence is assuming a 14 point win. Here's mine

@Duke – 90%
Maryland – 85%
North Carolina State – 85%
@Boston College – 93%
Miami (FL) – 75%
Virginia – 90%
@Florida (without Brantley) – 75%

That’s expecting 6-1 to end the season.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 12, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

@ Duke — 65%
Maryland — 55%
NCSU — 50%
@ BC — 51%
UM — 51%
UVA — 71%
@ UF — 50%

by wnc_nole on Oct 12, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

@BC is as tough as @UF? You think Miami is only slightly better than BC and UF? You think NC State is better than Miami?

Lots of stuff I disagree with. But it is your opinion.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 12, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

No way, dude.

You’re just still hurting. It’s gonna get better.

Gimme some sugar, baby.

by Tubby Sweetbundle on Oct 12, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's expecting FSU to go 4-3 down the stretch

with a better chance of 3-4 than 5-2.

Not a chance.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 12, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

are you factoring in the likelihood of ej not finishing the season?

i’ve got
@ duke—80%
maryland—80%
nc state—75%
@bc—80%
miami—75%
virginia—85%
@florida—50%

likely 5-2 to finish.

by nole country for old men on Oct 12, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

and that might be a little optimistic

by nole country for old men on Oct 12, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can't assume we are going to lose our starting quarterback for the year.

You would need multiple branches depending on which game you expect him to go down for. Which game to you expect him to get hurt in? Or do you just take a little from every game just in case?

So no, I’m assuming EJ remains healthy.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 12, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

i’m factoring in uncertainty at qb, a sieve of an ol, running backs who don’t have the protection scheme down, poor te play, great young receivers, very good and deep dl, decent linebacker play, poor safety play, and very good special teams.

by nole country for old men on Oct 12, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Florida with Brantley 85%

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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 12, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lower them all by 30%,

seriously, that’s where I"m at.

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 12, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

seriously?

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by Marmaduke1 on Oct 12, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Until they have a game where they can prove

they can put together an entire team effort, yes. For all we know it gets even worse against Duke.

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 12, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is where I'm at:

@ Duke — 75%
Maryland — 60%
NCSU — 55%
@ BC — 50%
UM — 50%
UVA — 65%
@ UF — 45%

2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
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by SoCalNole on Oct 12, 2011 1:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That's fair.

I’m not sure anyone can suggest much higher based upon what FSU has done thus far. They looked good at times vs. Oklahoma, assuming OU wasn’t laying an egg, but otherwise have looked rough. No reason to be confident on any future game.

by coonhound on Oct 12, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

We’re going to beat Duke, BC, and Virginia. Period. Somewhere in the 90+ range.

We should beat Maryland, NC State, and Miami. Somewhere in the 80’s.

I would still favor us vs. UF, especially if our ground game can develop AT ALL between now and then. UF’s defense is just not that good, very immature/selfish (tons of potential up front though)…I’d say 70% without Brantley, 55-60% with Brantley.

by lawdy15 on Oct 12, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is as optomistic as I can be - Miami is going on Super Probation so our poor play will not result in losing recruits to them

and UF looks like they are going 0 for October – so hard for them to steal our prospects either….that actually seems like a good line to tell a Florida fan – UF puts the O in October

by 93noleman on Oct 12, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, and the combined record of FSU’s defeators is 15-1


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 12, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this gets lost (Could be 16-0 with that “suspect-ness” that happened at Syracuse)

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by FSU on Oct 12, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just realized

unless JWJ starts Saturday, FSU will have a 1000 yd passer (and >600 yd passer) before we have a 100 yd rusher on the team.

HAS THIS EVER HAPPENED IN THE HISTORY OF FOOTBALL???

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 12, 2011 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Hawaii.

If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.

by Kazoonole on Oct 12, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Winner

In 2007 Colt Brennan threw for over 1000 yards in the first 2 games versus Northern Colorado and Louisiana Tech. Nobody on the team had over 50 rushing yards total. Intriguingly, Hawaii went undefeated (12-0) that year and met Georgia in the Sugar Bowl where they got their a$$ kicked 41-10.

Now, has respectable pro-style team with a respectable SOS ever done this? I really don’t think so.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 12, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mama Manning can haul the rock.

Thought everyone knew this.

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by Dogrel on Oct 12, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh, she’s a short yardage runner not an every down back. LOL

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by FSU on Oct 12, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon.....

We all know her future is at Linebacker!

by WPNoleJ on Oct 12, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

We promised her an opportunity at RB when we recruited her.

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by FSU on Oct 12, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Every one of our remaining opponents is deeply flawed

Our flaws on paper are superficial – not taking care of the ball and penalties. Maybe we are mentally flawed and cannot get over that. If we can get back to playing with some confidence, however, this schedule could not set up better for us.

by GoNoles2011 on Oct 12, 2011 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

That may be true,

but what would you be saying about us if you were a fan of one of those teams?

by wnc_nole on Oct 12, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

That FSU is flawed so we have a chance

but I agree, our flaws are not other teams flaws. Ours can be fixed immediately if players would simply focus and play smart.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 12, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

If they can be fixed

immediately, then why are we on a 3 game slide and just hoping we can get to 6 wins and a crappy bowl game(which may prove as a challenge at this point). I think you have underestimated our flaws. It’s seems easy to fix on paper but it apparently is not or WF would not be undefeated in the ACC.

by TheSipNole on Oct 12, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

About that 3 game slide...

OU and CU were better than us.

We had 5 turnovers against Wake. It’s a 1 game slide of turnover mistakes. The penalties have been going on for 2 games though.

by sonofagunn on Oct 12, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

You may be

right about OU and CU but the bottom line is we are on a 3 game slide. Cannot argue this point. When bowls are picked do we say “but OU and CU were better”? Nope 3 games is 3 games. Oddly enugh, the best game we played was against OU and most of it with an untested QB. We issues. CU/refs should not have beaten us and WF, C’mon man.

by TheSipNole on Oct 12, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

True

LT and OL are big problems. I’m simply thinking of all the boneheaded plays that have directly cost us, such as 3rd down penalties against Clemson and braindead defenders against Wake.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 12, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Think of who made the boneheaded plays? Are they ever going to get better? If not, are their replacements not going to make some braindead plays just because they are new to everything?

by wnc_nole on Oct 12, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely right

penalties are a huge problem. I personally think they are what caused us the CU game. OL is a big problem, LB corp needs to get better/smarter, DB’s have consistently underachieved(especially Reid), no running game(most likely related to OL issues).

by TheSipNole on Oct 12, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm honestly not sure it is.

Perhaps, but FSU has to win 4 of 6. I’d put that at about 65% right now. Maybe.

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 12, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fisher could lose the team,

coaches, epic infighting, and everything collapses. Not saying it happens, but it does happen to teams, and certainly is a possibility here.

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 12, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

We've lost to

two teams that are undefeated and one who’s only loss was in overtime, after losing their starting QB. AND we combined with the officials to give away two of those losses.

FSU has problems, but they’re not as bad as you think.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 12, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps Wake deserves a little respect

I know we self destructed, but they were good enough to take advantage of the situation.

If you look back, Wake has given us lots of tough games (although we usually managed to win)

Florida State
NOW
2-3
0-2 ACC

by SeminoleMike on Oct 12, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell that to those last week who were saying they hadn't seen any single positive from Wake Forest all season and they had just been lucky and beaten bad teams.

I’m telling you, a big reason for a lot of Nole fans’ bipolar attitude towards our team is a lack of understanding and familiarity with our opponents.

by MattDNole on Oct 12, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Abso. Lutely.

They gave us fits even at the beginning of the Lost Decade

Gimme some sugar, baby.

by Tubby Sweetbundle on Oct 12, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trust him.

He’s a doctor.

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by Jamil Dawson on Oct 12, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wake has won 4 of the last 6 matchups

We haven’t “usually managed to win” against them for the better part of a decade.

/DebbieDownerPerspective

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by Dogrel on Oct 12, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sigh...

Florida State
NOW
2-3
0-2 ACC

by SeminoleMike on Oct 12, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh.

We dominated them 2 of the last 3. This is the last win they’ll get for the next 10 years.

I’m sure I’ll get ripped for being too confident in spite of what we’ve seen the last couple weeks, but this was just a perfect storm for their last hoorah. Wake over FSU is doneso.

by arrdub on Oct 12, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll wait for them to prove it,

and to prove that they are handling adversity, and on top of that handling the replacements on o-line.

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 12, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm divided on the issue

The “quality” non-FSU teams that OU, CU and WF have beaten are 20-20 (incl. BC, NCSU, Aub, Tex, VT, Mizzou), so I’m not ready to excuse our losses on account of the undefeated/1-loss records of those three teams.

But I’m somewhat hopeful that things aren’t as bad as they appear on the surface. We could pretty easily be 4-1 right now.

I do see the potential for disaster, though – we do need to fix things quickly. We can’t let this stuff continue, losses pile up, and have the team quit. That’d be bad for next year, too.

by Invictus13 on Oct 12, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never said anything about excusing the losses.

OU and Clemson are understandable. Wake is inexcusable. But, it is important—I think—to put it in perspective.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 12, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, but I see where people are coming from, too

Wake was a bad loss. After a loss like that, people can’t see a good ending for the season anymore, and they’re panicking. They need a milestone, and that’s what bowl eligibility is right now.

Once we’re bowl eligible, we at least know that it’s not the whole program that’s on fire. Every win after that means we’re closer to where we thought we would be before the season started.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
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by Dogrel on Oct 12, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

What exactly do you mean by taking care of the ball?

Tipped passes and not looking off receivers probably won’t change in a week or this year for that matter.

by rythefly on Oct 12, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

The 3 tipped pass INT's this year

could’ve been avoided with decent cut blocks. That should be pretty easy to fix.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 12, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

FSU’s flaws are far from superficial. Almost everything that could go wrong with the concerns we raised in the preseason have gone wrong.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 12, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Amazing what graduation and a couple of new OCs can do

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by Dogrel on Oct 12, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Putting myself out there......

But i think we bounce back this week w/ our offense moving the ball

2011........ The ACC will begin to once again witness the power that is FSU football!

by Scalpemall on Oct 12, 2011 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

well and avoiding as many turnovers

2011........ The ACC will begin to once again witness the power that is FSU football!

by Scalpemall on Oct 12, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think that is putting yourself out there

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 12, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks man!

Fighting the lost decade mentality creeping back in. I know we’re better but we have to show it.

2011........ The ACC will begin to once again witness the power that is FSU football!

by Scalpemall on Oct 12, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we can't move the ball

on Duke, there will be some coaches very concerned about what they will be doing next year.

by TheSipNole on Oct 12, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Duke has a 260 lb. C and a 275 lb. G

If we cannot send Dawkins, Jernigan and or Erving into the backfield on every play then I don’t know what to say.

by GoNoles2011 on Oct 12, 2011 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Meanwhile, Wake's OL looked like this:
OT 69 Dennis Godfrey | 6-3, 315, Sr., RS
 73 Steven Chase | 6-7, 305, So., RS

OT 62 Doug Weaver | 6-8, 320, Sr., RS
 76 Daniel Blitch | 6-6, 310, Fr., RS

OG 78 Joe Looney | 6-3, 320, Sr., 3V
 59 Antonio Ford | 6-3, 315, Fr., RS

OG 75 Michael Hoag | 6-6, 305, Sr., RS
 68 Colin Summers | 6-5, 320, Fr., RS

C 74 Garrick Williams | 6-4, 310, Jr., RS
 66 Chance Raines | 6-2, 290, Sr., 1V

We talked plenty of trash about their undersized DL. I think the size of their OL was overlooked (by us fans).

Gimme some sugar, baby.

by Tubby Sweetbundle on Oct 12, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

1570 lbs along that line. Now I know why we couldn't seem to get any pressure.

Our line wasn’t even that big at the start of the season when we were healthy.

We were only 1550.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Oct 12, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

FSU d-line was pushing wake o-line straight back into Price's face,

most of the fail came from elsewhere…

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 12, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that fact....

Just shows how good the DL is. Thats a not a small OL and WF needed to hold pretty much all game to really stop FSU consistently.

by WPNoleJ on Oct 12, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

True dat.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 12, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, size only matters if you're good.

And don’t get held all day. And don’t hang onto their face masks.

by coonhound on Oct 12, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Say what you want about the defense as a whole

Our DL is very good.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 12, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant that more for the OL, who were much larger than Wake’s DL.

Our DL is great. They’d look even better with LBs filling gaps, and holding penalties getting called.

by coonhound on Oct 12, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think everyone is overreacting.

We are not as good as we hoped and not as bad as we appear.

I think OU will play for the NC and we were playing ball with them until EJ was smeared into the turf. Had a real shot winning that one if not for that injury.

I think Clemson has a shot at playing for the NC. We only lost by 5 points without EJ and GR. With a healthy EJ we beat them.

Wake Forest will not play for the NC but is a much better team than any WF team that I have ever seen. They had a lot of speed, Givens was as good as any player I have seen and they were very very well coached. With an entire game with a healthy EJ, we beat them.

We have some things that have to get worked out. Somethings won’t get worked out this year. With EJ’s mobility, we have another dimension to our game. If he is healthy, I think we win the rest of our games and by 4 TD’s in each game.

THIS IS OUR TIME!

by Jbeau on Oct 12, 2011 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

4 tds is crazy talk imo.

2011........ The ACC will begin to once again witness the power that is FSU football!

by Scalpemall on Oct 12, 2011 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

reply fail to Jbeau

2011........ The ACC will begin to once again witness the power that is FSU football!

by Scalpemall on Oct 12, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely no way Duke comes close to winning this game

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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 12, 2011 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

why?

Beat BC by only 7 points less than Wake did.

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 12, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why ask why?

It’s not like you will get a coherent answer. He said the same thing last week about Wake. If FSU played the Packers, he’d say the same thing.

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by CornNole on Oct 12, 2011 5:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Doc is doc and I am perpetually hard headed.

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 12, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope you're right, for our coaches' sake.

Duke’s a better team now than they’ve been since Spurrier.

Not saying they’re at our level even now, but then again what do I know?
I thought we’d handle Wake, too.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
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"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Oct 12, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duke did lose to Richmond

who isn’t even one of the top teams in the CAA this year. Don’t give Duke too much credit for beating a really bad BC team. They’d probably be middle of the pack in the CAA.

by ggggmen08 on Oct 12, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is easy for you to say -

your team is actually BEATING the competiton these days.

by GoNoles2011 on Oct 12, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to think that, Doc.

But the way they played at Wake really changed my mind about this team. They looked inept, pathetic, hapless, etc. There’s no consistency. No dominance, or even periods of it. No intimidation factor.

by coonhound on Oct 12, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Besides the problems with the running game/OL

our problems are of the following sort: mental, chemistry, leadership, motivation, etc. If we had a typical amount of penalties & turnovers this season, despite our key injuries at QB, WR, OL & RB, our only loss would have been to OU. It’s more accurate to say that we need to stop doing certain things (penalties, turnovers, etc.) than actually do/improve certain things.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Oct 12, 2011 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

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