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2011-12 FSU Basketball Preview: Part 1

SAN ANTONIO, TX - MARCH 25:  Darius Theus #10 of the Virginia Commonwealth Rams goes to the basket against the Florida State Seminoles during the southwest regional of the 2011 NCAA men's basketball tournament at the Alamodome on March 25, 2011 in San Antonio, Texas.  (Photo by Ronald Martinez/Getty Images)

With pre-season basketball set to kick-off tomorrow (6 pm – the Jam with Coach Ham), FSU season previews have been coming out from a variety of sources. Several common threads in recent previews are the 8 seconds shy the Noles fell from making the Elite 8 last year; the comingling with Duke as the only ACC program to win at least ten regular season games each of the past three years; the fact that the Seminoles have the 3rd most ACC wins since expansion; the solid recruiting classes brought in each of the past few years. All of that is great, but I don’t care about any of it. What I care about is this year. And this year starts tomorrow.

However, in order to consider what might happen this year, we do need to re-examine a few things from the recent past. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to prattle on about our accomplishments. I’m just going to lean on the data for insight – and that’s what this part of the review is covering. Part Two (up in about a week) will break down the roster, examine my favorite topic (the schedule), and provide a prediction for the season.

When you last saw the Noles, Chris Singleton was turning his head at an inopportune moment allowing a VCU layup in overtime in the Sweet 16. Then Derwin Kitchen raced down-court and failed to get a shot off in time. Well, the 2011-12 Seminole team will look very different, as Chris Singleton was a 1st round selection of the Washington Wizards, and Derwin Kitchen graduated. So what do the Noles have for this year? The roster looks like this:

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IT TAKES 12 TO TANGO: The way in which Leonard Hamilton rotates players is a tad baffling. When it works, he looks like one of those guys who can multiply a pair of three-digit numbers in his head. When it doesn’t, it looks likes he’s doing nothing but pulling names out of a hat. Whatever it is, he plays a lot of guys. If you’re on scholarship, you play. There’s no turning a 12 man rotation into 8 come conference play and riding it out from there. If he thinks you can contribute, then you’d better be ready.

In a recent review I did - Virginia Tech – we saw that the Hokies returned less than 42% of last year’s minutes. That’s tough. 60% - 65% is about average, and if you’re on the upside of that figure than you can count yourself lucky. Here’s last year’s roster,with minutes played, and the returning players are in bold:


minutes  percentage
Derwin Kitchen 1041 76.3%
Michael Snaer 972 71.2%
Deividas Dulkys 829 60.8%
Chris Singleton 814 59.7%
Bernard James 719 52.7%
Okaro White 560 41.0%
Luke Loucks 502 36.8%
Xavier Gibson 349 25.6%
Terrance Shannon  348 25.5%
Ian Miller 332 24.3%
Jon Kreft 244 17.9%
Pierre Jordan  80 5.9%
AJ Yawn  11 0.8%
Joey Moreau  8 0.6%
Rafael Portuondo     7 0.5%
Andrew Rutledge    7 0.5%

Florida State had five players who played more than 50% of the team’s minutes, and three return. Overall, 71.4% of the minutes return, so FSU loses nothing of significance outside of Kitchen and Singleton. Of course, the significance of those two cannot be over-stated.

CLASS MATTERS: Shortly after last season ended I wrote a piece illustrating how offensive skills increase with experience. And that matters for this team, because this team is experienced. Just wait until we start playing: announcers and columnists are going to expound ad nauseum about the depth of experience on this roster. Six seniors they’re going to tell you. Six! And if offensive rating increasing the longer you’re in a system, then look out, FSU might have some offense. The problem is that out of those six, only three have been in the system since they were freshmen (Deividas Dulkys, Xavier Gibson and Luke Loucks), and those three have missed 17 games (and the associated practices) due to injury. Two of the other three have been in the system a year (Bernard James and Jon Kreft), and one is brand new (Jeff Peterson). If you were to add up the days those six have spent with the coaches it doesn’t match what four seniors would have accumulated had they all come to FSU straight out of high school.

We also have three juniors, though to be fair one is brand new (Kiel Turpin) and one has missed 21 games due to injury and didn’t play basketball for over a year prior to college (Terrance Shannon). The other (Michael Snaer) is legit. So yes, we are a team heavy with upper classmen, but no, we’re not nearly as experienced as people are going to lead you to believe.

THE RUNNING NOLES?: For years FSU has been a grinding team in a conference that likes to run the floor. Now, two things have changed. 1) After several seasons of being just around the NCAA average in tempo, the Seminoles jumped last season to 68.4 possessions per game, which was 78th in the country (out of 345, good for the top quartile). 2) The ACC – as has been well documented here at Tomahawk Nation – has been slowing down over the past four seasons. Suddenly, the Noles are faster paced than the average ACC team.

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What does that mean for this season. Four new coaches are entering the conference (leaving Hamilton with the 2nd longest tenure in the ACC), and all four of them are grinders. If FSU maintains close to the same tempo, and the new coaches maintain their historical norm, here is what that same chart will look like at season’s end:

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ATTENDANCE: Remember all those things I mentioned that other FSU previews are including (three 10+ win ACC regular seasons, etc....)? What effect has that had on attendance? If you went to the UF, Ohio State, or Duke games last season then got to experience the Donald L. Tucker Center in full effect. Otherwise, you may have noticed a few empty seats. In fact, on a 5-year running average, FSU is only drawing more fans than two ACC programs: Miami and Boston College. And let’s be honest – if we’re not drawing more fans than those two programs then we belong in Conference USA. Regardless, here’s what that 5-year average looks like:

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Luckily, FSU has gotten smarter about promoting tickets this year, and is pushing their variety of packages. Not only are they likely to sell a few more this way, but the fans who buy them will be more likely to show up. But this is still a football school, and football boosters get tickets they never use.

THE BEST DEFENSE IN THE COUNTRY: Yes, FSU had the country’s best defense last season. They allowed 0.862 points per possession (ppp) (1 of 13 schools to allow less than 0.9). And yes, FSU led the country in defense the season before that as well. In 2009-10 they held opponents to an even more impressive 0.845 ppp (though in that season there were 23 programs which held opponents under 0.9). In fact you have to go all the way back to 2007-08 to find a season in which the Seminoles allowed more than 0.9 ppp (0.925). Curiously enough that was also the last time the Seminoles had an offense that could be considered anything close to high-major quality (but be patient - I’ll get to the offense. For now, I’m concerned with the defense).

The Seminole defense will be great, once again, and we’re predicting 0.88 ppp for this season, which should be good enough for top-10, and potentially top-5. Yes, we lose Chris Singleton – who may be the best defender to ever come through the program – and yes, we lose Derwin Kitchen who was underrated as a defender. But Leonard Hamilton has proven one thing in his career, and that is that he can prepare a defense. We’ll break down exactly how he does that later in the season, but for now just know that he likes to do three things - 1) pressure the ball 25-28’ from the basket, 2) have the bigs hedge on ball screens on the perimeter without switching defensive responsibility, and 3) attack the shot from multiple angles. Outside of Duke, FSU might be the best team in the country at forcing the worst shot in basketball: a long 2, and even that shot is usually contested.

Speaking of Duke, let’s revisit that ‘best defense in the country’ label. There are a number of announcers – Doug Gottlieb, Len Elmore, a few others – who tend to call a lot of nationally televised FSU games. And they’re always quick to jump on the defensive prowess of Leonard Hamilton coached teams (of course, they usually cite fuzzy stats like FG% to back their argument). But what they haven’t mentioned is that in the two seasons that FSU has legitimately had the best defense in the country – it’s actually been Duke that has had the best defense in conference-only games. Two years ago FSU finished 2nd in the ACC. And last year FSU finished 3rd. Ironically, the team that finished 2nd last season is one that fans and columnists typically point to as a team that doesn’t play defense – the North Carolina Tarheels. Of course, the reason people don’t think of North Carolina as a defensive team is that they don’t understand tempo. But don’t worry – follow Tomahawk Nation and by season’s end you’ll understand just how sound the Tarheels are on the defensive end of the floor.

OH, THE PAIN: Do you want to hear about the offense? Really? If you read beyond this sentence then you can’t blame me for any short-term damage it does to your brain (or your bar tab). Last year FSU scored 1.031 ppp, which was 134th in the country. Considering that there are 345 Division 1 teams, that doesn’t sound too terribly bad. But let’s be honest – we’re not fighting recruiting battles with the SWAC or the Big South. We’re bringing in solid (and sometimes elite) high major prospects, and so we need to look at our offense against other high major programs. Limiting things to just the BCS conferences, FSU’s offense was ranked 65th of 75 teams. In other words, of the teams we’re recruiting against, 87% had a better offense. And we were a Sweet 16 team (the first ever team with an offense ranked worse than 100 to reach the Sweet 16, by the way).

Why were the Noles so bad? Three things: turnovers, 3-point shooting, and free throw shooting. FSU turned the ball over on 23% of their possessions. Had FSU limited things to the NCAA average (20.1%), then that would have meant two more possessions a game where something good could have happened. That doesn’t sound like much, but considering that on possessions when they did not turn the ball over FSU averaged 1.34 points. So an extra couple turnover free possessions equals 2.68 points per game. Obviously it’s not statistically accurate to just add that number to all of our final scores, but for fun, let’s do that. The UNC game where Harrison Barnes beat us with a three at the end? FSU lost that game by two. The ridiculously ugly game one of the ACC Tourney? The Hokies beat us by one. Our Sweet 16 game? It was an overtime game, and would that overtime have ever happened if we had given ourselves two more shots at the basket? So two possessions very well could have resulted in a 12-4 regular season, advancement in the ACC Tourney, and a shot at the Elite 8.

The Seminoles three point shooting was also atrocious. They only converted 33.4% of  attempts. The NCAA average was 34.4%. There’s another 0.6 points a game. And the free throw shooting was terrible as well. FSU made 66.5% of freebies. The average across the country was 69.3%.  Add another 0.6 per game. So if FSU were just average in those three categories – and this is amongst 345 teams, not just limited to the 75 high major teams – we’re looking at another four points a game. Those four points were the difference between a good team and one with a legitimate shot at a National Title.

The offensive prediction for this season 1.06 ppp, which should put us somewhere between 90th and 100.

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Radical shift on mindset to get into bball (is it already that time?), but very good article.

You speculate a lot about “what might have been” with slight improvements to the offense last year, but what’s your actual outlook for this season?

Real quick, I’d say… turnovers about the same, 3-pt and FT %s both up considerably. Not sure if that will be enough to deflect the slight slide in defensive prowess. All in all, that seems to suggest we’ll improve or play on par with last year, but for some reason I think we take a step back, primarily due to the loss of Kitchen. Although maybe new guy can actually get a shot off with 0.5 left.

by arrdub on Oct 13, 2011 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

The last sentence got cut off.

I’m predicting an improvement to about 90th.

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by norcal_nole on Oct 13, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.. that's a pretty massive upswing - 134th to 90th.

Will look forward to hearing your thoughts on why…

by arrdub on Oct 13, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man...

Thats just sad thinking that if we were just Average on offense we’d be 4 points better per game.

by fsugrizz on Oct 13, 2011 6:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Do you think Kreft and Xavier get it together this year?

Kreft really looked good in a few games, but didn’t show up at all in others. I still think he is our absolute best low-post offensive player, but does Ham get us better at the ever-underrated entry pass?

Overall I was disappointed in both, mostly X though because I had such high hopes for him after his promising freshman year.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 13, 2011 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Highly doubt Jon Kreft will do anything....

that guy is always and i mean always drunk out at pots and on the strip…….

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by phi*tau-nole on Oct 13, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is really unfortunate

because every report I hear from players is that Jon is really good, his conditioning is just really poor.

by zeitgeistnole on Oct 13, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their job is not to screw up.

Play D, take the shot when it’s there, rebound… If either averages more than 7 a game I’d be surprised.

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by norcal_nole on Oct 13, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

However, what do you think about Bernard James and his offensive game this year?

I am pretty high on his potential this year. If he has in fact worked on playing with both hands, he will be a much more versatile and possibly very competent post player on offense. I expect him to be our 3rd scorer as far as ppg, or even 2nd depending on how the year goes. He does not yet move smoothly on the court yet, I feel like another year in the system and in college ball will do wonders to how he plays on the court.

by zeitgeistnole on Oct 13, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kreft's confidence seems brittle

If he can get some touches and a couple of scores in the post then he seems like a different player, but that doesn’t happen too often.

by PSLNOLE on Oct 13, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great write up

I don’t know diddley about basketball but I feel like I learned a lot by just reading this.
Really outstanding.

by law74 on Oct 13, 2011 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

ditto

loved reading this (especially the last part):

Outside of Duke, FSU might be the best team in the country at forcing the worst shot in basketball: a long 2, and even that shot is usually contested.

by nole country for old men on Oct 13, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

SOS!

Save us basketball team.

by Blake Davis on Oct 13, 2011 7:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Great to have you back...

all over Seminole roundball, Norcal. Looking forward to seeing the team develop, and reading about it from you. Great post.

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by BooCooNole on Oct 13, 2011 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I will concede it may be too early in the (calendar) year to be doing this, but....
…FSU might have some offense. The problem is that out of those six, only three have not been in the system since they were freshmen Deividas Dulkys, Xavier Gibson and Luke Loucks…

Thanks for the info norcal…looking forward as always to sharing some forehead bruises with you again this season.

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by El Soro on Oct 13, 2011 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Im hoping to contribute some on the basketball side of it well

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by FSU on Oct 13, 2011 9:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, please. I’ve enjoyed your insight into the football program. Good stuff.

by nole country for old men on Oct 13, 2011 9:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I know the rumors out there

but any more info on Miller? Do we see him in December or at all?

by nolejam9 on Oct 14, 2011 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Um?

What’s the story with Miller? IMO, if he continues his development, he’s unquestionably our best guard.

by CelticPride on Oct 14, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

When know he's out through the end of the fall term.

I hadn’t heard anything beyond this, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

by arrdub on Oct 14, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to have to agree with Cameron here

from what I hear, Miller is not ineligible. He is just making some regrettable decisions and isn’t focused on becoming a better player/student and is thus not really about to do anything until he gets his life right. We have to remember these guys are young college students, who when away from home, are more susceptible to falling into bad habits and circles. I say this because we all thought Miller came from a pretty good background that kept him out of trouble and all that. To say the least, Miller is unfocused and unmotivated to be a student-athlete from what I see, which is a big part of the reason he isn’t contributing towards the team. However, this info is a tad bit dated, so I hope he is taking this fall semester much more seriously and staying focused in the classroom and on and off the court.

by zeitgeistnole on Oct 14, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The biggest question for me is

Who handles the point position? Who handles pressure? With DK gone, I’m worried there. Loucks has turned the ball over far too often in his career. Has he learned to keep the rock?

by CelticPride on Oct 14, 2011 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

I think he has historically tried to hard to make big plays in his limited minutes.

It’s not like he’s constantly getting his pocket picked because he has poor ball-handling skills; he just makes bad passes trying to get a highlight or assist. So, my hope is that one positive function of him being on the floor a lot more is that he’s not going to force plays. Hate to use the cliche, but this is the case where he needs to “let the game come to him.”

by arrdub on Oct 14, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this sentiment.

Reports on Luke have been positive from what I hear, he isn’t trying to do too much, he is just trying to make the right play. Before fall started (I assume before J. Peterson got here), he was the clear cut best point guard on the team, so yeah, tifwiw, along with what I said about Miller above.

by zeitgeistnole on Oct 14, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's gonna be Peterson if all goes to plan.

He’s the transfer from Arkansas with 1 year of eligibility. He’s supposedly solid with the ball and a true PG.

by LilburnNole on Oct 14, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh... I remember reading about the signing now

 We’ll see how he handles the new environment and handles the transition. Sometimes a fresh start can help a lot.
And another year of maturity never hurts.

by CelticPride on Oct 14, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well he should fit right in at FSU then.

And he cannot be worse than LL

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by CornNole on Oct 14, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Keep ’em coming NorCal.

by csfuu on Oct 14, 2011 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Excellent stuff. Just terrific, norcal.

And a well timed break from thinking about football.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

What are your expectations/reasonable goals?

Or, is that coming later?

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Our free throw shooting last year

Absolutely killed me! I mean, it is free points. I feel like we were much further off the national average but that is probably just because I would like to see them up in the 70-80% range. Some clutch FTs really could have helped us in some of those big games, really hope we step it up this year.

by CobraSpdRH on Oct 14, 2011 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Great preview..

..and great timing. With the football season disappointing and the NBA locked out, I’ve gotta say this is one of the more anticipated FSU basketball seasons in my life.

I think it’s going to be interesting how Hamilton rotates the surplus of big men, and of course which (if any) of the freshmen will make an impact and get some significant minutes.

by warrick9 on Oct 14, 2011 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Loved the preview

Hamilton has always struck me as a “100% defense” on the slider bar of coaching emphasis.

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Oct 14, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Saw Kreft on 1 crutch last month

don’t know if it was an injury or surgery he was recovering from. Definitely was not moving well.

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Oct 14, 2011 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Norcal = the shiz

TN fortunate to have very good basketball coverage since FSU’s rise to the top of the ACC

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by CornNole on Oct 14, 2011 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

OMGOMGOMG

ITS BACK BABY!! Great write as usually nor-cal. How can you not include, VCU 46% from 3 including Burgess going 6-7 from deep. 7 months later, it still doesn’t make sense how 6 footers can shoot NBA 3s over guys that are 6-7+ and make it 46% OF THE TIME. As up and down last season was, it was sure fun. I expect more horrible offense both on our side of the court and the opponents. Brace yaself, ELITE 8 this year

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by Mannieblunts on Oct 14, 2011 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I can tell you guys that the Jam with Coach Ham tonight was one of the most

exciting things I have ever seen. Players came on the court in a stretched-out Hummer, and Solomon Alabi showed up to help grade the dunk contest, which XGibson won. Dulkys won the three-point shooting contest, and the Garnet beat the Gold, 40-37, in the 12-minute scrimmage.

And for the most disturbing image of the evening, for some inexplicable reason, there was a dude dancing with the Golden Girls. And I don’t mean that he was some sort of comic relief. I mean he was performing the very same moves the girls were doing. Is this new? Yikes.

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by GoNolzOhio on Oct 14, 2011 10:09 PM EDT reply actions  

They had that guy dancing with the Girls last year? How'd I missed that hair-raising bit of entertainment?

At first, I thought for sure it was some sort of Midnight Madness gag. Now, I was kind of expecting Singleton to show up, not Alabi, since I heard he is back at FSU taking classes (due to the lockout).

Anyway, with all the new coaches and early departures/transfers at some of the other ACC schools, it appears that another #3 finish in the final standings is a not-unreasonable goal for the Noles, no?

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by GoNolzOhio on Oct 14, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Starting 5 is pretty meaningless with Ham - breaking down minutes is more important,

but I see James,Gibson, White, Snaer and Loucks at the moment. The big questions are whether we’ll go with 3 guards (add Dulkys, subtract Gibson) and whether Peterson can beat out Loucks.

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by Michael Rogner on Oct 15, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

i agree-

but i think if he add dd he’d more likely sit white

and are you thinking loucks beats out miller, or presuming miller is ineligible?

by 000111 on Oct 16, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know next to nothing about basketball

I couldn’t intelligently discuss the nuances of the game if a million dollars were on the line. I understand how the game works at a very basic level (scoring, good. Letting the other team score, bad) and I try to watch the ‘Noles when I can, but I’m trying to learn more about the game so I can have a better appreciation for what’s happening on the floor.

Does anyone have any links to articles that concisely explain basic basketball strategy? I’m going to try to read all of TN’s basketball posts this season, and see if I can better grasp the game.

by Pre on Oct 15, 2011 1:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Follow the website 'The Mikan Drill'

He’ll probably use terminology that you’re not familiar with, but he does a great job using film to break down X’s and O’s

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by Michael Rogner on Oct 15, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

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