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Florida State Seminoles football preview: at Duke Blue Devils

The Florida State Seminoles take on the Duke Blue Devils for the first time since 2007. FSU has never lost to Duke, leading the series 16-0. It should be 17-0 tomorrow.

The records and streaks indicate that these are two programs heading in different directions. Duke has won three in a row, while FSU has dropped three consecutive. Duke is very healthy and coming off a bye week, while FSU is perhaps the most injured team in the conference.

Line: FSU -13.5

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FSU Defense v. Duke Offense

Duke Offense
QB 19 Sean Renfree 6-5 225 R-Jr.
RB 23 Juwan Thompson 5-11 215 So.
33 Desmond Scott 5-9 190 Jr.
or 27 Jay Hollingsworth 5-10 200 Sr.
WR 2 Conner Vernon 6-1 195 Jr.
WR 26 Donovan Varner 5-9 175 Sr.
3 Jamison Crowder 5-9 175 Fr.
WR 5 Brandon Braxton 6-1 190 So.
TE 81 Cooper Helfet 6-4 240 Sr.
LT 79 Kyle Hill 6-6 290 R-Sr.
LG 70 John Coleman 6-4 290 R-So.
C 74 Dave Harding 6-4 285 R-So.
RG 77 Laken Tomlinson 6-3 310 R-Fr.
RT 72 Perry Simmons 6-5 300 R-So.

Duke runs a pass-happy offensive attack in the classic mold of David Clutcliffe. What does that mean? You're going to see a lot of the dig route. and I mean a lot. 

This puts pressure on the linebackers and safeties. Duke runs a lot of three receiver sets. FSU can defend this with the 4-3 or 3-4 looks, but if Duke goes to a 4-wide look, I would think FSU should go nickel. I expect FSU to give Duke throws to the sidelines and to to clog the middle of the field with defenders.

This game isn't as much about Duke's offense, as it is about getting back to what made FSU's defense very good against Oklahoma: limiting the big play and forcing teams to execute in the red zone. 

Duke is a decent, but not great offense. They can move the football, but they are traditionally not a very good red zone team (2nd worst TD% 2010, dead last 2009) because of all the passing and no run threat at quarterback. I have no doubts that Duke will move the ball some on Florida State. And as long as they move it in small chunks and not big plays, I have no problem with that. FSU's advantage with its great size is in the red zone. FSU's defense must make Duke earn its touchdowns in the red zone and not via the long score. Additionally, Duke has run some wildcat in the red zone, but the wildcat QB (Connette) is likely out for this game. Just another reason to make Duke play FSU's game and challenge the Blue Devils to win in the red zone.

FSU must be aware of the trick play and some different offensive tactics as Duke is coming off a bye week. That scenario dictates a more conservative defensive strategy. Duke won't beat FSU with field goals, and if FSU can force Duke into kicking more field goals than touchdowns, the defense will have done its job. 

Duke has a nice collection of competent, smart skill guys. The top three receivers are definitely good, and Crowder is not a bad #4. Helfet at tight end gets a lot of looks, and Duke has been throwing more to the backs this season.

The run game is probably the worst in the ACC and the only way Duke can run on FSU is if FSU is out of position. Duke's run game doesn't have the ability to move FSU if the 'Noles are in the right position.

Third down should be interesting in this game. Duke almost never runs on third down and 5+, so the draw threat shouldn't be there. If Duke breaks tendency, then FSU should adjust, but they should disregard the draw until Duke proves otherwise.

FSU's defensive line should be able to dominate Duke's offensive line and cause trouble all day. I don't see much reason to blitz here, and would prefer to be conservative on third down. I expect FSU to get some turnovers here off of balls thrown under pressure. 

FSU's defensive goals for this game should be:

-hold Duke under 5 yards/play before garbage time: 

55 Plays - 275 Yards
60 Plays - 300 Yards
65 Plays - 325 Yards
70 Plays - 350 Yards
75 Plays - 375 Yards
80 Plays - 400 Yards

- No scores of more than 20 yards

- Red Zone TD % of less than 50%

- Play unselfish team defense and let the plays come to you. Don't get out of position because you are too aggressive.

Star-divide

FSU Offense v. Duke Defense

Duke Defense
DE 94 Jordan DeWalt-Ondijo 6-4 225 R-Fr.
42 Dezmond Johnson 6-4 230 R-Fr.
NG 93 Charlie Hatcher 6-3 300 R-Sr.
58 Curtis Hazelton 6-2 280 R-Jr.
DT 82 Sydney Sarmiento 6-4 285 R-So.
91 Jamal Bruce 6-1 270 R-Fr.
DE 92 Justin Foxx 6-3 240 R-So.
95 Jamal Wallace 6-4 245 R-Fr.
LB 59 Kelby Brown 6-2 220 So.
LB 45 Austin Gamble 6-1 235 Jr.
CB 6 Ross Cockrell 6-0 175 R-So.
31 Tony Foster 6-1 180 R-Jr.
or 24 Garrett Patterson 6-1 190 R-So.
CB 37 Johnny Williams 5-10 190 Sr. questionable
1 Zach Greene 5-10 170 Jr.
S 32 August Campbell 6-3 225 R-So. doubtful
S 40 Matt Daniels 6-1 210 Sr.questionable
S 4 Walt Canty 6-0 215 Jr.
20 Lee Butler 5-11 185 Sr.
Note: Butler has been injured 

Duke runs a 4-2-5 defense, featuring three safeties. They rely on trickery and positioning to get the job done, as most of the talent isn't special.

Florida State will likely be operating from multi-receiver sets in this game, as EJ Manuel is comfortable doing so. This somewhat plays into Duke’s hands, but this game is about FSU and not about Duke, meaning that FSU is not going to change up its offensive strategy just to gain a bigger advantage on Duke. FSU plans to play a wide open offense for the rest of the year, and it needs to rep it against all defenses.

From that 4-2-5 alignment, Duke will use a lot of different blitzes and stunts to confuse the offense. This is a concern for FSU because there have been so many guys in and out of the lineup, creating little to no cohesion.

Speaking of guys out of the lineup, FSU will be without starting LT Andrew Datko, starting WR Rashad Greene, starting RG David Spurlock, starting WR Willie Haulstead, starting RB Chris Thompson and perhaps a few other guys. The cohesion problem definitely exists, but it should start to improve from here on out, as most of the guys listed will be done for the year (Greene and Spurlock excepted).

I’d like to see more playing time for freshman runners Devonta Freeman and James Wilder, Jr, but with the amount of blitzing and stunting Duke does, they’ll need to be sound in the blitz pick-up game, as FSU knows QB EJ Manuel is one good shot from being done for the year.

Bobby Hart will again be in at tackle, and Garrett Faircloth is likely to fill in for David Spurlock. Duke’s defensive line is nothing special, but they do have a pretty good nose guard in Charlie Hatcher. One of Duke’s better pass rushers (Anuzzi) was lost for the year. The key to pass protection this week will be teamwork and communication, as Duke’s players aren’t good enough to pressure FSU individually. Knowing that, Duke will attempt to confuse FSU’s offensive line and free up a blitzer or stunter unblocked.

Despite the blitzing and stunting, Duke still plays bend-but-don’t break defense, and one of the fascinating matchups of the game will be how much single coverage Duke plays against FSU’s surprisingly good receiving corps. With freshman sensation Rashad Greene out, Manuel will look more to veteran Rodney Smith, and perhaps Bert Reed, who should play. Jarred Haggins also comes back this week, shockingly, after breaking his hand just three weeks ago.

Manuel must use his head in this game. He has not been as good as he needs to be with the mental side of the game this year, and we’ve pointed out several instances in which he failed to get FSU into the correct play via check or audible. Duke is all about confusion. If FSU executes and doesn’t beat itself, it will be just fine. Manuel needs to consistently get FSU into the right play. I don’t expect him to be perfect in doing so like Christian Ponder, but he needs to not be a hindrance to the offense.

Manuel needs to identify what the defense is giving and then take what the defense is giving. If he does, the ball will be in the hands of FSU's playmakers and it is up to them to make plays after that point. 

Goals:

- At least 6.5 yards/play before garbage time:

55 Plays - 358 Yards
60 Plays - 390 Yards
65 Plays - 423 Yards
70 Plays - 455 Yards
75 Plays - 488 Yards
80 Plays - 520 Yards

- No more than 1 turnover

- Less than two operational penalties (false starts, delay of game, motion)

- Red Zone TD % of 66% or better.

A note on special teams: Duke has only put three of 25 kickoffs into the end zone. FSU has a great chance for a big return in this game. The Duke field goal team has been shaky this year due to injury, and though they'll be improved, this still lends itself to the no big play strategy.

Prediction

FSU outgains Duke by 35% per-play (6.7-4.8), and wins 41-20. The game goes into garbage time and Duke gets a late score. FSU's reserves get a bit of playing time.

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I'll be honest

This analysis doesn’t make me feel good.

by wnc_nole on Oct 14, 2011 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

yep

Relying on EJ to read defenses scares me

by Smok3dSalmon on Oct 14, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which is odd

Because I expect a RSJr QB to be able to do that to a team like Duke.

My expectations are tempered, but if EJ struggles mightily against Duke, there will be no defense from this guy. Inexcusable. Legs or no

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by CornNole on Oct 14, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Excuses can only go so far (injuries, missing spring). At some point he has to man up and either play well or ride the pine.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. His deficiency is more pre than post-snap. IMO.

And if not for a couple terrible calls, he has two fewer INT’s.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't really referring to his decision making

I agree w/ thie INT’s. He hasn’t looked great, but hasn’t looked like Jacory Harris either.

I was referring mostly to his ability to get the FSU offense into the right play. If JImbo’s offense needs a guy of Ponder’s caliber to execute it efficiently, our QB situation could be very shaky at times.

Personally, I don’t believe it takes a kid like CP7 to “do” it. He was just THAT masterful at his craft in that regard, that it was never a concern. Doesn’t help that we don’t “see” it on the field as fans, so it’s not noticed unless brought up by those with superior football knowledge.

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by CornNole on Oct 14, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you there.

If it DOES require Ponder-like knowledge, then Jimbo needs to dumb it down a bit.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, just install the Malzahn spread tonight

and it’ll run flawlessly tomorrow.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should clarify that I was, of course, kidding...

before Bud fires me.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fact that Jamarcus Russell was successful

with it should be all we really need to know. While Ponder may have been Yoda with the Pre-snap checks, all we really need is Qui-Gon.

by LilburnNole on Oct 14, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't remember much of what he did in college

but I remember my LSU buddies complaining constantly about how terrible he was….bad decisions, no accuracy, not understanding the game, etc.

Sound familiar?

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

My LSU friends (and I have a ton)

Were never enamored with Jimbo, but were pleased with the results.

Russell probably shouldn’t have been drafted where he was, but he was big and strong and athleti, so he definitely had upside.

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by CornNole on Oct 14, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

What???? How dare they think about results.

They clearly didn’t understand the man.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

All the saw was the scoreboard

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by Nattylite on Oct 14, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Probably"?!?!???

Hahahahahahaaaa…….

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by DRusso97 on Oct 15, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't you mean Mace Windu?

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by CornNole on Oct 14, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Duke will force us to

Run the ball, be patient in our passing game and defend its passing game with our LBs?

Oh, sh—!

by GoNoles2011 on Oct 14, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems like Duke is purpose built to exploit our weaknesses.

Regardless, no excuses for losing to Duke. Even with the injuries, we have a ridiculously larger amount of talent on the field.

by sonofagunn on Oct 14, 2011 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

and

their mascot looks like a deformed super hero.

by FEARspear on Oct 14, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you did there

Ever word in French translates into “I surrender”.

by CCDFSU07 on Oct 14, 2011 5:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I see what you did there

Ever word in French translates into “I surrender”.

by CCDFSU07 on Oct 14, 2011 5:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good analysis

I think Wilder and Freeman can thrive in that too. Lot’s of opportunities for one-on-one.

by coonhound on Oct 14, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did we run any plays where we bring a WR in motion

with the options to
1. Handoff to the RB
2. QB keep
3. Pitch to WR?

I’m guessing that if EJ isn’t running, this won’t happen.

by coonhound on Oct 14, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't really keep track. But, I don't remember seeing it much.

I haven’t seen an option/read since EJ got hurt, that I remember.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Once to Greene in the WF game

'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'

by jskipnole on Oct 14, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

In theory....

the idea of 3 WRs + NOL + JWJ seems like a very versatile group. That’s a pretty formidable power game (EJ, JWJ, NOL as carriers/screen targets) out of what would seem to be a pass-oriented set.

Hope Jimbo creatively uses the talent at his disposal.

by arrdub on Oct 14, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

EJ must check into the run.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

EJ run chk

Wouldn’t a draw be one of the best calls to check into? Wake was rushing 3 and dropping 8, if Duke employs a similar strategy? (heavy inflection in the ?uestions)

by FireRicobert on Oct 15, 2011 1:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Heather is giving the win to Duke. What exactly would be the fan’s demeanor if we lose?

by thirdcoastnole on Oct 14, 2011 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

No. I think my reaction to the WF loss was in the TN’s minority in that the season was lost, 7-5 was imminent, coaching changes etc. I was labeled as “over-reacting” to sum it all up. I am just curious as to how everyone would feel if we lost against Duke.

by thirdcoastnole on Oct 14, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im not sure how ill feel

but i know ill be throwing stuff. Maybe if the stuff im throwing happens to hit a miami fan i will feel good.

by FEARspear on Oct 14, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think you must be high

to actually ask this question

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's a very good question, actually.

I think even the most staunch Jimbo supporter will be wondering about his ability to get this done.

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by CornNole on Oct 14, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's what freshcollegeboy meant.

You must be high if you don’t question Jimbo after consecutive losses to Wake and Duke.

by sonofagunn on Oct 14, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Correct

I think you must be high if you think anyone is immune to back-to-back losses to Wake Forest and Duke. This would be the lowest point of any FSU team in FSU history imo.

If you don’t already know that sh!t would hit the fan in a big way, then you MUST be smoking something. The fanbase will riot.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll probably be high either way

I don’t drink, so I gotta cam my nerves somehow. If we can’t beat Duke, then…

by NoleySmokes on Oct 15, 2011 8:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Correct

I think you must be high if you think anyone is immune to back-to-back losses to Wake Forest and Duke. This would be the lowest point of any FSU team in FSU history imo.

If you don’t already know that sh!t would hit the fan in a big way, then you MUST be smoking something. The fanbase will riot.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

oops

double post

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say the only rival would be 1973

we lose to Wake Forest in the first game of the season 7-9. It is Wake’s only win of the season. FSU goes winless (0-11), including losses to 2-9 Baylor, 2-9 Virginia Tech, 1-9-1 Wake Forest, and a loss to Memphis State.

Yeah, that may have been worse.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am just curious as to how everyone would feel if we lost against Duke.

 5-7 is imminent, coaching changes etc.

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by Nole Resurrected on Oct 14, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

We lose to Duke and we don't sniff 5-7

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Oct 14, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly.

and we all slip into the 7th circle of hell.

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah...

The circle of violence and suicide. Seminole Nation would line up like a Jim Jones concert at Heaven’s Gate. How’s the punch? Most excellent!

by CashvilleNole on Oct 14, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

But it would precipitate

major donation changes. That IPF will look like any number of half-finished hotels on the coast of Mexico.

If we lose to Duke, I am afreaid that we will lose out.

by GoNoles2011 on Oct 14, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that would stop every streak BB had going.

Fresh start.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess if we find out

Fisher, Stoops, Trickett and Gran have been betting against FSU….then yes. Get rid of them all.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, it would warrant changes.

But we won’t get them. This is FSU, and Spetman is our AD, after all….

Different decade, same results.

by PeachTreeNole on Oct 14, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. You don't overhaul a new staff after year two.

based on W/L…unless there are shenanigans to go with it.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your question implies there will be any fans left if FSU loses to Duke....

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by DRusso97 on Oct 14, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll still watch the replays and delivery reports.

Even if nobody wants to read them.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tomorrow's game is possibly the most important game we've played in a decade.

I don’t want to think about what happens if we do not win.
In fact, I’m not even programming that possibility into my brain.

Similar to when you get HIV test results. You walk into the clinic only expecting one result that you could reasonably deal with. I’m only expecting a win tomorrow. The other option is not plausible for my psyche.

(I understand that football isn’t as important as terminal illness, but it’s a decent analogy)

by The K-Man on Oct 14, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are right it's not as important as terminal illness

it’s MORE IMPORTANT, at least when you die you don’t have to suffer through the misery of your team getting it’s *ss kicked by a lessor team.

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by jskipnole on Oct 14, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

His stepping in any direction is entirely dependent on

what FSU decides to do tomorrow. Poopy the pants? Or restore world friggan order.

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

ha, lawd help me, no kids. That would be just horrific. Props to those that aren't too selfish

to procreate. Seriously.’ Poopy pants’ is just nicer than what I would say if I didn’t feel like I should reign in the frustration-which is usually communicated through grunts, harrumphs, and vulgar spew that would make a Scotsman blush.

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

#FatheroftheYear

Football is my favorite show.

by coonhound on Oct 14, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

Knowing every word to Hotel California at 2am helped.

Trust me, I do this all the time.

by criminole on Oct 14, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow,

does she stab things with her steely knives?

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

/also know the words....

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

it got her back to sleep and thats all that matters at 2am. Although I have seen that you post at 2am so you are ready for kids dude!

Trust me, I do this all the time.

by criminole on Oct 14, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

again,

up at 2 am because I’m selfish and lack responsibility and the sense to know that going to bed at 2 and waking up at 6 AM is just dumb. Unless you have kids…

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Satanic worshiping songs are not allowed on this site.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Oct 14, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Never mind, I forgot I'm playing to a younger audience.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Oct 14, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's only satanic if you play it backwards.

… you know, by spinning the record backwards with your hands. Poor kids today miss all the satanic messages.

by sonofagunn on Oct 14, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teenagers are funny about nicknames.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Jab, read it again. i'm not standing on any ledges, as far as I know.

If I tumble down a mighty precipice at 6pm tomorrow, it shall be during a blind step forward expecting firm ground.

by The K-Man on Oct 14, 2011 10:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good she will prove once and for all she has air between the ears

A casual stroll through the mental asylum shows that faith does not prove anything...Nietzsche

How good bad music and bad reason sound when one marches against an enemy...Nietzsche

by DocHoliday2 on Oct 14, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rashad Greene out?

I hadn’t heard this before, and will be very disappointed.

Great analysis, as always. Like Wake, it seems that we have the talent to win if we play our game, but that we can beat ourselves with mental errors and failure to adjust to the defense.

(the captions for offense v defense seem to be switched).

by madridbend on Oct 14, 2011 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

When? Wake, or practice?

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by DutchFSU on Oct 14, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well said Bud...

pretty much my thoughts on this game…I think we will be able to run the ball a little better despite little to no cohesion on the O-Line…to all of you being disappointed about Rashad Greene..

It’s just another opportunity for Green to show what he can do….

BTW…this is random….but where in the world has Greg Dent been?

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by Kelvin Hunt on Oct 14, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I was just thinking the same thing

I didn’t even know Dent played last week until I read Bud’s game analysis.

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by Shooter McFrattin on Oct 14, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's playing behind

Smith
Shaw
Green
Greene
Reed
Haggins

Haggins and Reed have been out a few weeks, but that still leaves him as the #5 receiver. He’s rotated in just hasn’t been thrown to or gotten open enough.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

As long as many of the mental errors

are reduced in this game and we show we can play smart, composed football I will be completely happy with this outcome.

by LilburnNole on Oct 14, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I'll be honest, too

No offence to Bud, but three weeks ago I would have completely ignored this match-up analysis thinking, “Hey it’s Duke!” Now I find myself reading it with some worry. #injuries #crookedaccrefs.

by CJS55 on Oct 14, 2011 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Any thoughts on how our nickel defense looks?

Jenkins, Dawkins, Werner
Jones, Smith, Luc/Bradham?
Reid, Joyner, Brooks, Harris, Rhodes

?

by coonhound on Oct 14, 2011 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Really don't like the 3-3-5

I’d prefer they pull a LB out. Brooks did get some PT early against Wake in the nickel look and I’d prefer the five you listed. DL? Don’t really care who the 4 are.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

The more I watch Brooks play

the more I think he should play over Parks. He knows much more than Karlos currently and is much better in coverage than Parks.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dime that's a good idea!

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by YouNoleIt on Oct 14, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Different Perspective

There are too many issues we are trying to fix and too many mental mistakes that we tend to make every game.

I honestly see this game being within 7 points and the winner will be determined if EJ shows his moxy at the end of the game. If he is one dimensional or comes out of the game I don’t see us pulling this out.

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by kmp9494 on Oct 14, 2011 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

It's Duke

They lost to Richmond. If we win by 7 or less, it better be because of two major late garbage time TDs.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Oct 14, 2011 11:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If you think we

only beat Duke by 7, you must think we have no chance in our next few games.

by Ocalanole on Oct 14, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty Much

EJ was in the WF game at halftime only behind by 2 points.

EJ starting would not have made this team win last week. I am seeing constant breakdowns on 3rd down D, bad penalties, no “luck” on little things, injuries galore, bad oline, missed cuts and reads by the backs, etc.

This has been the case in all games but the OU game and I am a firm believer that the past predicates the future. This team has consistently made errors this year that will keep a Duke team on the road closer than many here predict.

Heck I hope I am wrong but even Bill Connely has this game within 8 points and is picking Duke ATS.

I just don’t see some of the mental errors and mistakes getting coached out of this team in 1 week. I certainly hope they do and we barnstomp Duke. I would be the first to step up and say that Fisher got the job done, but if we continue to play the way we have in 4 out of 5 games. I believe my opinion will hold some truth.

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by kmp9494 on Oct 14, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was the reason we were down 2 and not 9

No credit for that? He can’t help that JT decided he wanted to break a 98 yarder instead of just taking what the D was giving him on the 1st drive of the second half.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Oct 14, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

My exact thoughts AMFK....

Not to mention, the flats pass Clint threw (telegraphed…..) that was picked off by the LB (tipped or not this ball is gonna be picked), the fumble and other tipped ball over the middle ( that is probably not tipped with a 6’5" QB playing). Those are TOs that I dont think happen with EJ playing.

I really do like Clint so this is not a slight at him but he was responsible for those 3 early TOs. With all of the unlucky things happening to FSU in that game, if we dont turn the ball over we still win the game.

by WPNoleJ on Oct 14, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

?

EJ starting would not have made this team win last week.

You can’t say that. The defense was basically stonewalling Wake for most of the first half, but Clint’s TOs kept putting them in bad situations.

by arrdub on Oct 14, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big Assumption

that EJ wouldn’t have had those turnovers. He threw 2 himself and has not had a game where he hasn’t thrown an int.

I was just stating that a lot of people on this board make it sound factual that if EJ started we would have won and I am making the argument that I don’t agree with that and put forward the fact that EJ couldn’t overcome a 2 point deficit in the 2nd half (plenty of time by the way)

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by kmp9494 on Oct 14, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

If were not down in the 4th quarter.....

We dont have to play from behind and have to take chances when throwing the ball. I’m not saying its factual at all that we win the game. I just dont think EJ turns the ball over in the ways that Clint did early on.

by WPNoleJ on Oct 14, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't we outscore them after EJ came in?

I mean, the best sample to go on is the portion of the game he played…. and we won that part.

by arrdub on Oct 14, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

They outscored us in second half.

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

your debbie downerism is the worst...

Can we bet pink slips on your prediction? What I mean is, if the game is within 7 I wont come back to this site ever again,yand if …or should I say when…fsu beats down duke, will you ban yourself forever?

by LetsGoNoles on Oct 15, 2011 9:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sounds right to me but

I really need to see a few designed runs for EJ or a handful of scrambles…I think his ability to run helps avoid him throwing those INT’s late over the middle. I don’t want a big hit but I think he can get away with 5 or 6 well timed runs.

by NicktheNole on Oct 14, 2011 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

EJ is one good shot away from being toast. Designed runs for him against anyone but Miami and UF are a no-no


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't feel comfortable with him doing that

he just hasn’t been able to read defenses very well. Can he put us in the right play and then make the right throw?

Also, it seems any throw inside of 10 yards is wildly inaccurate, while the 60yd bomb is perfect. We may need to just go 5-step and have him find an open guy o_O

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope that the coaches do some different things to highlight his athleticism.

I think moving the pocket around to help out Faircloth and Hart would be a start. I feel much better trusting Zebrie and Krug to hold off their men for a bit longer than the 2 youngins.

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by CornNole on Oct 14, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, the pass protection has been ok, but mostly with Datko playing. Hart got schooled a few times by Wake.

EJ needs to find the short touch he’s missing. Otherwise, we’re wasting some serious WR talent right now.

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by coonhound on Oct 14, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moving the pocket around some could help, too.

Jimbo needs to call plays with the OL problems in mind. Not just run his offense.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’ve beat that square peg enough, time to pull a round peg off the shelf and go with it.

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by coonhound on Oct 14, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

in other words

do whatever you can to get away from that sieve.

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

And EJ passes better when he is moving.

Of course, he’s not allowed to run, so whatever.

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by coonhound on Oct 14, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm not in that camp.

Clint will be a good backup for a few years. I don’t think he’ll ever be the starter.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is ironic on so many levels

because it’s a shoulder injury that caused the amputation.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

but to your point

I think EJ is the better option right now, even if only a passer. Next year he’ll regrow those legs and it won’t even be close…..Coker beats him out in Spring, ’13.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’ll probably never know now, anyway. After last week, Jimbo is playing EJ until they cart him off the field, for better or worse.

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by coonhound on Oct 14, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree

He’s much shorter than Clint if this is indeed the case.

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by CornNole on Oct 14, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think that is accurate.

The Duke coaches are watching the same FSU games we are. Other than the OU game I don’t think EJ has presented the threat in any serious way. If you and I can sit here and predict he simply won’t be allowed to run, I think the other team can as well.

by NicktheNole on Oct 14, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd really like to see just one naked bootleg

Very safe, but just to plant the thought in their DC’s head.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am fine with being very conservative with it

but at the end of the day my personal feeling is that EJ is just an average to below average QB when designed running or scrambling is not a part of his game. We are certainly better with a healthy EJ but what is the difference but I don’t see us winning like we should or at all with a restricted EJ.

by NicktheNole on Oct 14, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely have to rely on big plays more if he can't run.

Not gonna have a lot of sustained drives.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he is average or below average

What is every other QB we have? We’re terrible at that position then.

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by AMFKNole on Oct 14, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what is he without the threat of a run?

Team work make the dream work

by lloydg on Oct 14, 2011 1:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

A good college QB.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMO

He’s a good college qb WITH the threat of the run. Average without it.

Team work make the dream work

by lloydg on Oct 14, 2011 2:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think he's better than average. JMO.

And I think his passing stats support that opinion.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Td/int ratio?

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by lloydg on Oct 14, 2011 2:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Beau knows....

how to be in the wrong place?

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed there. But

He still average to be a rs jr who played alot of meaningful games in his career. Plus being the #2 qb coming out of highschool with Jimbo coaching him up. EJ should be better imo

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by lloydg on Oct 14, 2011 2:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

There is nothing he can do, no matter what he does, that will

fix Beau, or the oline not chopping guys down on the line. Blame the ones that should be on him, there are enough to go around.

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

not a great stat because it depends on how often a team runs in the rz.

yards/attempt is very important too


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think there are 60 better passers in CFB?

I don’t.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, if the top 40 teams have 60 better passers...

I give up.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

My mistake...was thinking 60% of the teams have better QBs

At a glance you can make a case that close to 20 of the top 25 have better QBs.

by NicktheNole on Oct 14, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha. I knew what you meant.

Without even looking, I’d probably agree with this.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

At the end of the day it is a terribly frustrating argument...

to compare our QB to others but you have to disregard his most significant god given ability

by NicktheNole on Oct 14, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

EJ

is a good college qb that needs to improve his mental grasp of the game. I say he improves in this area as the year progresses and comes back next year as a superior college qb.
Ponder was one of the smartest qb’s FSU has ever had in this respect. Not exactly fair to compare EJ to the “brain” midway through his jr. year.

by law74 on Oct 14, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

but it is not just about the QB it is also about the supporting cast and on this team right now it is not very good other than the wide receivers.

(i.e. some qbs look better because of the talent and execution around them)

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by kmp9494 on Oct 14, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Trust me, I do this all the time.

by criminole on Oct 14, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Common sense would dictate that if TN knows EJ probably isn't gonna take off on a designed run

I think David Cutcliffe would be privvy as well. Dude has been around the block a time or two.

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by CornNole on Oct 14, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm honestly not

sure I believe the ‘one good shot’ line. He took tons of them against Wake and popped up. He might be more susceptible to re-injury but Jimbo went from ‘one good shot’ to ’he’s fine’ in two days. He’s probably somewhere in the middle.

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you are going with Jimbo is BSing now but was straight shooter a week ago. Got it.

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps the loss at Wake knocked him off his game

and in one moment was more honest than normal, trying to explain the odd QB strategy. And now, he’s back to sandbagging and offering misleading injury statements.

by coonhound on Oct 14, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do think that is part of it.

Too much info going into Wake, almost nothing now.

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think EJ lasts the season


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we know our captain well,

he doesn’t make statements like this without some educated opinion on the matter.

Quite depressing.

by arrdub on Oct 14, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

He could, but I just don’t think this is something that heals without surgery.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you know this how?........

Please share.

Trust me, I do this all the time.

by criminole on Oct 14, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can choose to believe me. I’m the one who said EJ would not start all the way back on Tuesday of the Wake game. Also said it would not be EJ for Clemson.

The shoulder is a continuing worry. Best case is FSU runs off 6 straight wins, then turn him loose for UF. If he gets if hurt v. UF, fine, take the surgery and miss the meaningless bowl game.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just curious..

How do know/think he needs surgery? btw, I may have missed it if you have already covered the need for surgery.

Trust me, I do this all the time.

by criminole on Oct 14, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was told that if it was his throwing shoulder, he’d already have the surgery. I’ve already said it is more serious than this bruise nonsense FSU spouted.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you ma lord!

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by criminole on Oct 14, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have to believe this is the plan…which highlights a bigger issue – use of scholarship on Secord.

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by FSU on Oct 14, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another missed spring

EJ is so damn unlucky.

Coker needs to be the truth.

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by Legal_Seminole on Oct 15, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I said bf the season started this is the reason we shouldn't ride his legs.

I’d like to see the stats on this but I’m guessing that a running QB is much more likely to get hurt over the course of a season.

Not saying we shouldn’t run EJ occasionally but to rely on his legs is asinine. Also means we didn’t develop him properly as a thrower.

by FSUjab on Oct 14, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

This
we didn’t develop him properly as a thrower.


Is incorrect. Running QB’s are a huge part of the college game. And FSU didn’t run him until the OU game. I’m fine with running him in that game. If FSU wanted to have a chance of having a special season they had to run EJ to beat OU. I was wanting to see him run even more, early. Sometimes the luck, you just don’t have it…

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your catch-22 is failing.

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

We had Zero chance to beat OU

If EJ doesnt run. The game was setting up nicely for it but once he was hurt that ended that plan. Injury luck is EVERYTHING in college football, its why depth is important. When Auburn and UF won their titles, their QBs would not have been the threats they were without running. Its apart of their games. Darron Thomas at Oregon is a completely different QB if he cant run, the list goes on…….

by WPNoleJ on Oct 14, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Running QBs are also better at avoiding direct hits

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by caine115 on Oct 14, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn't take a single shot to that shoulder vs Wake, nor did he land on that shoulder.

He did a really good job twisting his body on the way to the ground to avoid landing on it. I was watching.
When you have that kind of shoulder injury, you are HYPER-aware of it.

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by DRusso97 on Oct 14, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also threw some passes off his back foot because he knew he couldn't take a hit.

Not sure if any INTs were included in this array, but it certainly hurt some of his deliveries.

by arrdub on Oct 14, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree, Russo.

Jimbo said “he took some shots” during interview this week, but I disagree. He got hit, but his left shoulder never took a significant impact at any time.

by The K-Man on Oct 14, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo. As someone with WRECKED shoulders, I was watching that pretty keenly....

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by DRusso97 on Oct 15, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's something EJ does very well.

He’s very good at avoiding big hits and maneuvering his body to avoid landing badly.

If Ponder had EJ’s running smarts, or EJ had Ponder’s touch passes, damn….

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by DRusso97 on Oct 15, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the Queen had a d*ck she would be the King

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by jskipnole on Oct 15, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good one rec.

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by jskipnole on Oct 15, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

When does he heal?

I mean without designed runs, being our vs CU and 1/2 of WF, when does (should) his shoulder heal? This sounds like not until the off season. I don’t like that.

by Blazenole on Oct 14, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we please teach our QB's how to slide?

EJ and CP7 give me the heebie jeebies with this straight up stuff…

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by Rock_and_Nole on Oct 14, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it me are people not excited about this game?

Yes, I get that it is Duke. However, I don’t see people getting after with the attitude that this is Duke and we will win. More so I feel that people are almost scared, don’t trust the coaches to call a good game or the players to execute.

For whatever reason, I believe FSU will have a big day. I may wind up eating crow but I don’t think so.

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by random_john on Oct 14, 2011 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

3 straight losses, with one against Wake will do that to a fan base.

by coonhound on Oct 14, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Precisely

I’m excited to see some of the young guys, and was really hoping to see Greene have a big day again. Guy’s been the sliver lining of the whole season.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Prediction

From your lips to God’s ears Bud!

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by Shooter McFrattin on Oct 14, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

How long is greene out?

Hopefully it not a lingering one like berts

D-Hop has tiger blood

by camfsu04e on Oct 14, 2011 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Well that certainly narrows it down...

to one guy.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ambiguity is my friend.

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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Oct 14, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are a very hurtful person.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Oct 14, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see 2 scenarios.

FSU loses close or wins close. The past 3 weeks have got me down. Way down. But I’ll be ‘optimistic’ and say FSU wins 31-24 and it’s a fight til the end.

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope we don’t take one on the chin like Maryland did against Temple.

by coonhound on Oct 14, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

reply for Prime

And you for entertaining it;)

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by criminole on Oct 14, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

No need

when you find him he will already be dead.

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting that the Noles opened up -10.5 / -12.5 in some places

and are now -13.5. If you’ll remember, Vegas picked up on Wake steam last week. Vegas trends liking the Noles big, IMO

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Oct 14, 2011 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Would be interesting to see when the last time

the line for the FSU/Duke game was remotely close to -13.5. Anyone know?

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clickable link

here.

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Oct 14, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That game was awful.

Flew up to Tally for my birthday to watch a Field Goal party by Gary Cismesia wearing black uniform

by The K-Man on Oct 14, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only home game I missed that year,

Halloween party instead. Turned out to be a good call…

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you bob for apples?

[nudge nudge]

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by CornNole on Oct 14, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stop it!

That Orbit commercial is stuck in my very small brain.

Trust me, I do this all the time.

by criminole on Oct 14, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

It has to be

the best and most disturbing commercial of all time!

Trust me, I do this all the time.

by criminole on Oct 14, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's allllllll about EJ Manuel.

He’s gonna play. Worth at least a TD IMO

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by CornNole on Oct 14, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never in my life

Did I expect to see us have a bend-but-don’t-break gameplan versus Duke.

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by Nattylite on Oct 14, 2011 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Never in my life

would I think anyone could possibly think this game would even be close!

Trust me, I do this all the time.

by criminole on Oct 14, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s how defense is played nowadays. And with a defensive line like FSU’s, it’s important to get as many bites at the apple as possible.

Plus, why abandon what should be the defensive style in most games and do something for Duke that you won’t use again this year?


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not disagreeing

Just saying outloud what I thought would never happen.

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by Nattylite on Oct 14, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean... it's Duke.

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by Nattylite on Oct 14, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

WTF

Our scrubs gave up 26 in garbage time?

Mickey must have been really ticked off afterwards.

by GoNoles2011 on Oct 14, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Clint Purvis played some in that game. Seriously. Lt. Billy Smith even had one carry for -2 yards.

Football is my favorite show.

by coonhound on Oct 14, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please stop responding here

It keeps popping up “her” picture.

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by Nattylite on Oct 14, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tubby screwed up this whole line of thought

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by Nattylite on Oct 14, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hi guys, it's Heather


The Seminoles entered the season with hopes of winning a national championship and as the overwhelming favorite to win the ACC title in coach Jimbo Fisher’s second season.

Now, they’re just hoping to beat Duke.

Gimme some sugar, baby.

by Tubby Sweetbundle on Oct 14, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

You are not a very nice person.

Booooooooo.

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by Nattylite on Oct 14, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

But I did pick her

Over Hank in the poll to hang with…;-)

by Blazenole on Oct 14, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hi Heather

I smell something burning on the stove.

by Blazenole on Oct 14, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

your hopes and dreams?

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

LMAO

>>>─────;;─►

by NorFla_Nole on Oct 14, 2011 1:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry...

…I couldn’t read that as I was too distracted by that Great Plains-sized forehead.

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by Drew J Jones on Oct 14, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

She looks like Jack Nicholson with a wig in the Shining.

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How good bad music and bad reason sound when one marches against an enemy...Nietzsche

by DocHoliday2 on Oct 14, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know any detail about Haggins' injury?

Not that I distrust the report but I can’t fathom breaking my hand and then playing a month later. Seems a bit accelerated, but then again it may not have been that serious.

by AmplifiedJ on Oct 14, 2011 12:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Athletes that are very much in shape and healthy

can usually heal faster than the average person. He’s only one week ahead of schedule (expected to be out 4 weeks)

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Methinks a new nickname has begun

Seminole Game Day -- "All the trash talkin' stops, when the spear drops."

by FSU on Oct 14, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is a video of Haggins explaining his injury

http://www.seminoles.com/allaccess/
Look for the football videos and an interview with Haggins from oct 12th I think. Pretty sure he had a screw in his finger. Broke his pinky. Hope I remember correctly.

by FSnowUknow on Oct 14, 2011 2:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think he may have just broken a finger or something...

Small bones heal pretty quickly when properly rested. Small bone, small fracture = quick recovery

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by CornNole on Oct 14, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Injury story for the day...

I had shattered the metacarpal (hand-bone) in my right hand in a flag football game, was trying to play with a cast about 3-4 weeks after the injury, i think as the playoffs for that season started. Decided I could wrap it with enough tape/padding that it would be safe enough… probably slapped a couple pounds of junk on their and had a nice club effect going.

Being a speed guy, I was absolutely SHOCKED to find out how much you rely on your arms for balance…. I was rushing their QB and I swear I had the turn radius of a 10-passenger van… was instinctively flailing my other arm around like mad to offset the weight (kind of like you would do when walking a tight rope), but the QB could side step me without even thinking about it.

by arrdub on Oct 14, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

That happened to me as well, oddly enough

You get stepped on?

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by CornNole on Oct 14, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, it was really freak type of thing... caught a pass, put my hand down to catch my balance and somehow only one finger hit thr ground.

Kind of locked into place outright with my weight on it, felt a crunch but kept on running… I think I even scored? Played the rest of the game even though I could feel/hear things crunching in there when I made a fist. Awful pain in an hour or so.

Have a slightly short knuckle (ring finger/knuckle) on that hand now.. knew my future in boxing was over.

by arrdub on Oct 14, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

That'll do it.

I dove to pull a flag and got my hand caught between 2 very large feet moving very fast, and ultimately stepped on. My right thumb clicks constantly, and hurts like hell when it gets cold.. Very odd

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by CornNole on Oct 14, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know any detail about Haggins' injury?

Not that I distrust the report but I can’t fathom breaking my hand and then playing a month later. Seems a bit accelerated, but then again it may not have been that serious.

by AmplifiedJ on Oct 14, 2011 12:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Could have been a hairline fracture?

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by Nattylite on Oct 14, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe...

Hairline fractures are worse.

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by GoNoles56 on Oct 14, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

than a clean break?

I can’t see how.

Fractured my foot once, and it hurt like hell, but I walked out of the hospital with crutches and a boot.

Doc said if it had actually broken I would have been in a cast for 6-8 weeks.

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by Nattylite on Oct 14, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paul Piurowsky,

linebacker that teamed up with Reggie Herring in the late 70’s and early 80’s played just two weeks after having an appendectomy.
Word had it that he was concerned about the lingering effects of anethesia and it’s impact on practicing and he went into surgery without it.
Throwback to the Dick Butkus days type of player.

by law74 on Oct 14, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 weeks? That's lame.

I broke my hand during the Clemson game and had the stats churned out by Monday.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol

Youre a true gamer…..

by WPNoleJ on Oct 14, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope we see plenty of LP watching EJ's backside.

I’d love to see the young RBs run wild but I’m concerned about their blocking skills and our OL in it’s current condition.

by Noledskool on Oct 14, 2011 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

LP isn't much a part of the offense in its current state.

I want to see less RB’s and more WR’s. And I don’t want him as the lone back, either.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just want to see a win.

I don’t care if they QB sneak it all day down the field.

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by Nattylite on Oct 14, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL.. or take a forfeit at this point?

Seminole Game Day -- "All the trash talkin' stops, when the spear drops."

by FSU on Oct 14, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

If Duke would like to forfeit, all the better.

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by Nattylite on Oct 14, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be awesome.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Less RB's?

Really? Is that possible?

Trust me, I do this all the time.

by criminole on Oct 14, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha.

Trust me, I do this all the time.

by criminole on Oct 14, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Less?

I thought he was correcting your grammer: fewer.

by csfuu on Oct 14, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked less

Sounded much more harsher

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by Nattylite on Oct 14, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grammer?

I have no idea what that means….unless you meant “grammar”.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oops

I’ll need my union rep for the IAD investigation.

by csfuu on Oct 14, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Lonnie is hurt


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

any idea how bad?

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, but he’s not the same guy


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

certainly agree with that,

DrKN, how much did he even see the field last week?

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it true you are dealing with an injury?

I am, pulled a hammie this morning. It’s a bug that has spread past the team and is full on plague…

“Bring out yer dead.”

“I’m not quite dead yet…”

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You already tailgating OB?

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by Nattylite on Oct 14, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

god I wish.

Monty Python by the way….

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah ha!

I get it now. :)

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by Nattylite on Oct 14, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I miss skinny Lonnie

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by CornNole on Oct 14, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fatboy Trickett

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by CornNole on Oct 14, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhh, good one.

Nickolaus “Nick the Gloves” O’Leary?

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by Nattylite on Oct 14, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Manos de piedra Parks

“Hands of stone”

A casual stroll through the mental asylum shows that faith does not prove anything...Nietzsche

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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 14, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

HA

Love this one. Greening.

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by CornNole on Oct 14, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ja'Juan "DooDooNKatyPerry" Story

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by DRusso97 on Oct 15, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course he's not.

He’s been cut off from Twitter world….

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by Drew J Jones on Oct 14, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

not many people talk about Lonnie

but I’d bet we only have two losses if he’d been healthy all this year.

by law74 on Oct 14, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. Between that and the need for more "spread" passing looks.

I don’t see him as an integral part of the offense right now.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well hell, if he can JUST RUN THE F@*# FORWARD

Then he’s already more trustworthy than 33% of our RB’s

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by CornNole on Oct 14, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is our whole freaking offense hurt?

Did we hold some off-campus practices at an Indian graveyard or something? We already know Clint got cursed when he ran over that old Gypsy woman with his car…

by TonySopraNOLE on Oct 14, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

TSG
I hope we see plenty of LP watching EJ’s backside.

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by DRusso97 on Oct 14, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

YSG

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by CornNole on Oct 14, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

YahWeh Sounds Gay??

I wouldn’t have gone there…..but OK.

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by DRusso97 on Oct 15, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I think Bud will get his prediction of a conservative defensive strategy

That seems to be mostly the strategy for all the games so far this year.

If the team is blitzing, I have not noticed it. Maybe the expectations for the defensive line are still a bit much and wanting to pressure with four down linemen alone is not always going to work.

by nolestuff on Oct 14, 2011 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Team blitzed a lot against Wake.

With FSU’s defensive line, they don’t need to be blitzing much.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

If teams keep picking up third downs then the defensive line does need help, that or the secondary will have to just cover for longer. With the zone though there will be holes.

by nolestuff on Oct 14, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The luck will even out


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 15, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Watching the videos....

If our LBs are playing smart and understand what Dukes WRs are trying to do, these type of routes could end up with either some LB interception opportunities or some big hits over the middle.

Gotta be sound tacklers over the middle.

by WPNoleJ on Oct 14, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

"If our LBs are playing smart"

There is where this idea fell apart, unfortunately.

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by Nattylite on Oct 14, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

also the assumption

that anyone on defense outside of joyner can actually hold onto a ball that hits them in the chest….

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Natty in my defense.....

I did say “IF” :)

Whether or not they do so, is anyones guess…..

by WPNoleJ on Oct 14, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I only hope for one thing

That Jimbo runs the ball at least 60% of the time. Run it with Freeman, run it with Wilder, run it with Pryor, run sweeps with the WRs, I don’t care who does it just run the ball. I honestly believe that the constant passing is what led to all the turnovers last game. Line up, hand it off and get 4 yards. Then do it again until you cross the goal line. Rinse, repeat, game over.

by NoleOrNever on Oct 14, 2011 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Not to be rude...

but this wish shows a lack of understanding of FSU’s personnel. As we have said, FSU is going to a wide open passing attack, as it has the receivers to do so, and a big ARM qb who cannot run. It has two tight ends who cannot play as one is basically brain dead and the other is lazy. The freshman OS unreliable. None of the backs are special. The line has been much better at pass pro.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

were the successful runs at the beginning of the Wake game

out of the spread or more pro sets?

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

3+ WR’s: 11 carries, 79 yards, 7.2 ypc
<3 WR’s: 12 carries 31 yards, 2.6 ypc

Three of those “heavy” set runs were inside the ten, though. One first down and two TD’s.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wowza.

Excellent. Well there you have it. RUN THE BALL, out of the spread…and inside the 10, go heavy. Eureka! Undefeated here on out. REC

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if this is compelling regarding packages due to the 10-yard factor.

And I don’t think NoleOrNever’s opinion is completely off base…. PROVIDED that the coaches are confident that improvements can be made in the ground game.

Beau can block, right? I thought that was one of his few assets?

So, if we have the capacity to run the football against Duke, i think a game’s worth of emphasis would go a long ways towards helping the team develop, building confidence, and avoiding the disastrous types of turnovers we saw in the Wake game.

One caveat… I have NOT done an intensive film review of any sort, so I’m just spitballing re: the development/progress of our OL. In general, I think the 7.9 ypc + “success” in the goal line sets shows they’re learning.

P.S. – Our main receiving threat on the bench this week also suggests an opportunity to lean towards run.

by arrdub on Oct 14, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh?

Taking out the 3 runs inside the RZ:

9 for 19 yards, 2.11 ypc. And the data from other games shows similar trends.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha, I somehow imagined a much smaller # of carries for <3WRs

I think I subtracted the 3 in my head and then subtracted again, taking it down to 6, which was enough for me to disregard.

Oh well.

by arrdub on Oct 14, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

All fair points and I definitely agree that should be the strategy in every game after this one

However, shouldn’t our personnel, back up or not be able consistently run the ball for decent chunks of yardage against Duke? I get the whole “practicing for the rest of the season” and if this were a good Seminole team, Jimbo should go ahead and do that, but they were really bad the last time they took the field. Why risk a turnover nearly every down by dropping back and having your QB who is mediocre at reading defenses throw the ball? I think running and not constantly risking a turnover is a wise choice, especially since this team seems to get shell shocked in adversity. I just think reducing turnovers by running the ball, using your huge legged punter and making Duke drive the length of the field every time they need to score is a better strategy. We’ll have to agree to disagree here.

by NoleOrNever on Oct 14, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you want to work on what you’ll be doing for the rest of the year. This offense has been quite disjointed due to injury and needs all the time it can get together.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the idea of working on things for the rest of the year, but...

can we at least line up and blow Duke’s inferior athletes off the ball and run it down their throats for 2-3 TDs first? After it’s 21-3 then go into “planning for the rest of the year mode”. That would be my strategy, hopefully it’s Jimbo’s as well.

by NoleOrNever on Oct 14, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

FSU is not good enough to do that. Stanford wasn’t either. This Duke defense is better than you think. It’s nothing special, but that’s not happening.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just hate the "working on things" while the game is still in doubt

Didn’t like it last year and definitely don’t like it this year. I hope it doesn’t get the Noles beat again tomorrow.

by NoleOrNever on Oct 14, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

They can’t get up 21-3 running. Run game isn’t there. Backs are nothing special, line in flux, etc.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some short fields would really help.

Haven’t had many this year.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed. Then watch all the crazies say the offense is fixed.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scoreboard is the only proof needed*

*=sarcasm

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by Marmaduke1 on Oct 14, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Field position struggles partly (mostly) a consequence of turnovers, no?

If we can get 1 or 2 first downs and punt, I like our chances of winning this aspect vs. Duke.

by arrdub on Oct 14, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know right now backs are nothing special

But do think Freeman “will” be special? And do you think Pender overtakes him as a true freshman if he EE

by SarasotaSeminole on Oct 15, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wake defense > Duke defense?

I would be surprised if that isn’t the case….

by arrdub on Oct 14, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes IMO


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely overall, not sure about rush


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 15, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely in the secondary

Seminole Game Day -- "All the trash talkin' stops, when the spear drops."

by FSU on Oct 14, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bud, get off the damn fence

and tell us what you really think of our two upper class tight ends.

by law74 on Oct 14, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just read my post

and the use of the words “upper class” seems totally out of whack in the same sentence as those two.
Substitute “older”, “used up” or “over the hill” instead.

by law74 on Oct 14, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm fine with a 50/50 split or 60/40 split Pass/Run.

But as you said earlier, should be from the spread, which would still keep FSU’s best people on the field. However it looked like FSU was able to power when needed, at least against Wake’s defense. Should be able to line up and go straight ahead against Duke inside the 10 if need be too.

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would be so, so not even fine with that.

Of course at this point I have decided to go into every game with the mind set of ‘we are gonna lose.’

/bad fan
/hurts less this way

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give up the spread and bet the house dude.

Well, bet my ex wifes house that is.

Trust me, I do this all the time.

by criminole on Oct 14, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give up the points I should say.

Never text while posting. In my case just never post.

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by criminole on Oct 14, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly

Why keep throwing the ball with your QB who hasn’t shown he can be a passing QB who can drive the field for a TD the majority of the time with his arm? I’d rather see them run the ball and play defense.

by NoleOrNever on Oct 14, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

why run the ball backwards for a safety?

Run game isn’t perfect either…

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

If this Seminole team can't consistently run the ball on Duke...

I think I may just have to be a basketball fan for the remainder of 2011…..

by NoleOrNever on Oct 14, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

FSU was able to power when needed

of course this doesn’t include the Jermaine ‘what is this crab grass doing here on the goal line’ Thomas safety run.

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

also

check check the our last series in the wake game before the onside kick

by jazzpoppy on Oct 14, 2011 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

How about check the times when he checks the play to the wrong side, fails to audible, doesn’t call the play correctly, etc. He’s not perfect and without his legs he is decent but nothing special.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't mean he doesn't have the chance

to get much better. Especially with better o-line play. Ponder made a huge leap from ’08 to ’09. But right now, he is still clearly learning on the job.

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 14, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep he can totally get better


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

stay tuned

in 2012 if we get the line straight, how do you spell heisman?

by jazzpoppy on Oct 14, 2011 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m an EJ fan. He’s a very good player if he can run. This season has not gone the way it needed to and the team is dealing with adversity. When you get a kid who can run like EJ, you better believe you build your offense around his legs.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry im new here

thats correct, i feel ej should have started , would have been diff against wake,, im a mic andrews blitz fan

by jazzpoppy on Oct 14, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

nobody plays Mickey Andrews style anymore. It gets destroyed.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, even then. passing offenses are way too sophisticated nowadays


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

FSU has 3 future NFL CornerBacks.......and they would still get torched.

That style of defense no longer works for the same reason the wishbone no longer works….the game has evolved. Players/coaching/strategy.

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by DRusso97 on Oct 14, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok make modifications but get to the qb

by jazzpoppy on Oct 14, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell the refs to "START F_CKING CALLING HOLDING!!!!" & see how often FSU gets to the QB w/o blitzing..

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by DRusso97 on Oct 15, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

30 points in last 2 games, defence wins championships

by jazzpoppy on Oct 14, 2011 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Please use reply jazzpoppy

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by Nattylite on Oct 14, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

5 turnovers last week. Wake is on the offense, mostly, and not on the D. Clemson was on the D


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 14, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

duke game

remember jazzpoppy said ; fsu wins by a shutout

by jazzpoppy on Oct 14, 2011 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

this site needs more people referring to themselves in the 3rd person.

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by DRusso97 on Oct 15, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

game time

sat at 3 cant come soon enough

by jazzpoppy on Oct 14, 2011 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

He could be right

Either way if FSU does not beat Duke by 3 touchdowns we are in serious trouble here.

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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 14, 2011 5:38 PM EDT reply actions  

This sums up the entire season..

Doc putting the words “if FSU does not beat ______ by 3 touchdowns” says it all.

Bring back Kendall Smith....a true linebacker.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 14, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

the season

qb is a key position, we are healthy now, thats why im not worried

by jazzpoppy on Oct 14, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you high?

We are anything but healthy at QB

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 14, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not seeing the pistol formation

as much as I’ve seen it in the past from FSU. It was effective against Wake, but Jimbo seemed to prefer running from the I-form. Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed this?

by GANoleFan on Oct 14, 2011 6:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm nervous

about a defense with confusing looks from the DBs and that uses odd blitzes. Tomorrow will be a good test for EJ’s reading and the o-line’s cohesion.

by PSLNOLE on Oct 14, 2011 6:47 PM EDT reply actions  

nervous

you can relax, ill be surprised if duke scores at all

by jazzpoppy on Oct 14, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

they will score

They are pass happy. Reid will get beat sooner or later and the LBs will blow a couple. They just cant go and up put 30

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by caine115 on Oct 15, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I will vomit if they score 35.

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 15, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I won't

I will be to busy getting my stomach pumped from alcohol poisoning

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by caine115 on Oct 15, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

touche.

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 15, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

The referees will be interesting also

They may decide to call back some big plays to see how FSU responds.

A casual stroll through the mental asylum shows that faith does not prove anything...Nietzsche

How good bad music and bad reason sound when one marches against an enemy...Nietzsche

by DocHoliday2 on Oct 14, 2011 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

It is conspiracy to make us disbelieve our eyes I tell ya!

A casual stroll through the mental asylum shows that faith does not prove anything...Nietzsche

How good bad music and bad reason sound when one marches against an enemy...Nietzsche

by DocHoliday2 on Oct 15, 2011 12:41 AM EDT reply actions  

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 15, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Like I said previously....

FSU is going to beat Duke to death… And Bjeorn Werner is a BEAST!!!! Maybe the most complete DE we’ve had in years… Brandon Jenkins is getting a lot of pressure but Werner is just a finisher… And our linebackers have played a lot better this week, especially the younger guys (C. Jones and T. Smith).

by zone3nole on Oct 15, 2011 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I predicted the final score would be 42-17...

in a previous thread during the week… I gotta give myself a pat on the back for that one…

by zone3nole on Oct 15, 2011 6:26 PM EDT reply actions  

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