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Maryland Releases Depth Chart For Florida State Game

Maryland released its preliminary depth chart for the Florida State game. Like the 'Noles, the Terrapins are also quite injured.

WR 82 Marcus Leak 6-0 195 Fr.-HS DE 11 David Mackall 6-3 240 So.-1V
13 Kerry Boykins 6-0 190 Jr.-2V 41 Marcus Whitfi eld 6-3 230 So.-SQ
LT 73 Max Garcia 6-4 290 So.-1V DT 72 Joe Vellano 6-2 285 Jr.-2V
74 Nick Klemm 6-5 290 So.-1V 97 Darius Kilgo 6-3 290 Fr.-RS
LG 67 Pete White 6-4 330 So.-1V DT 90 Maurice Hampton 6-2 295 Sr.-2V
71 Nate Clarke 6-3 295 Fr.-HS 96 A.J. Francis 6-4 295 Jr.-2V
C 63 Bennett Fulper 6-4 295 Jr.-1V DE 91 Keith Bowers 6-2 260 Fr.-HS
65 Sal Conaboy 6-3 270 Fr.-RS 54 Cody Blue 6-4 260 So.-SQ
RG 68 Josh Cary 6-5 290 So.-1V STAR 15 Mario Rowson 6-3 190 Fr.-RS
70 De’Onte Arnett 6-4 275 So.-SQ 6 Kenny Tate 6-4 220 Sr.-3V
RT 76 R.J. Dill 6-7 300 Jr.-2V MIKE 53 Lorne Goree 6-1 230 Fr.-RS
61 Jake Wheeler 6-7 275 Fr.-RS 47 Cole Farrand 6-2 233 Fr.-HS
TE 89 Matt Furstenburg 6-4 245 Jr.-2V WILL 35 Alex Twine 6-0 220 Fr.-HS
34 Devonte Campbell 6-2 255 Jr.-2V 52 Darin Drakeford 6-0 240 Jr.-2V
QB 16 C.J. Brown 6-3 200 So.-1V CB 25 Dexter McDougle 5-10 190 So.-1V
5 Danny O’Brien 6-3 215 So.-1V 14 Jeremiah Johnson 5-11 170 Fr.-RS
TB 8 Davin Meggett 5-9 215 Sr.-3V S 48 Eric Franklin 6-2 205 Jr.-2V
44 Justus Pickett 5-10 175 Fr.-HS 29 Austin Walker 6-0 195 Sr.-3V
FB 49 Tyler Cierski 6-0 255 Fr.-HS S 27 Titus Till 6-2 195 Fr.-RS
39 Jeff Hernandez 5-11 235 Jr.-TR 19 A.J. Hendy 6-1 195 Fr.-HS
WR 17 Quintin McCree 6-1 190 Sr.-3V CB 22 Cameron Chism 5-10 190 Sr.-3V
1 Tony Logan 5-10 180 Sr.-3V 21 Trenton Hughes 5-11 190 Sr.-2V

Our friend Patrick Stephens of the Washington Times and D1scource has a great look at the new changes to the depth chart.

The really important thing to note is the absence of receiver Kevin Dorsey, who was injured in the second half of Maryland's loss to Clemson.

Make sure to check out Patrick's article for the rest of the changes.

The biggest thing that sticks out to me here is the lack of experience at defensive end and linebacker: sophomore, red-shirt freshman, red-shirt freshman, true freshman, true freshman. 

Will this depth chart be accurate come Saturday? I don't know. I have a hard time seeing Tate or Darkeford not playing if they can physically go at all. 

Think Jimbo was enjoying himself watching three freshmen linebackers and two underclassmen at defensive end against Clemson? Yeah, me too. 

Perhaps this will be an even matchup for FSU's offensive line, which features four first-year starters.

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Well this gives me a little more confidence

Will EJ have a field day running past these inexperienced DE and LBs? Hopefully we can go 3-4 wide an throw some across the middle too. Throw some to Mr. O’leary and take advantage of these freshmen LBs ;)

by FSnowUknow on Oct 18, 2011 9:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Our OL is young

But the experience will be good for them. I am still shocked DOB was benched after hitting the 70th percentile last year in passing. Of course a lot has surprised me this year.

I'm only 31

Go Noles
Go Bucs

by Old Buc on Oct 18, 2011 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Lol maybe if the game were in Maryland.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am not drinking the Kool Aid after beating the crap out of Duke

I can see that kind of spread against NC State – but Maryland may be the best 2-4 team in the country (trademark pending).

FSU doesnt have a history of handeling success under Jimbo (or during the lost decade)

by 93noleman on Oct 18, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I always worry about NC State

They seem to have our number…always get up for us like WF; and if anyone has had more injuries than us, its them.

by patriotnole on Oct 18, 2011 9:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I have to really disagree

Maryland is just right at 2-4. They have average talent to begin with across the board but when you mix in the instability at QB and the multitude of injuries to key players they are just not a very good team. Don’t get too worked up about the Clemson game-remember Wofford also gave Clemson a run for their money-Clemson results have to be graded on a curve b/c of the disparity b/w how incredibly good their offense is and how bad their defense is. The team we are playing on Saturday at home would probably be a 1 or 2 pt favorite over Duke on a neutral field.

by ONOLE05 on Oct 18, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not saying it's certain we'll cover, but W/L isn't really relevant when evaluating

the FSU team who will take the field this Saturday for a couple reasons: (1) our losses are partially explained by injuries to QB & WR, both of which are now healthy; and (2) even in our losses (again, with back-ups at key positions) against Clemson & Wake we shouldn’t have even been close to having a chance to win but we were.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Oct 18, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

That discounts playing equal to Oklahoma and Clemson for 7 quarters


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am reminded of the boxing saying that you don't judge a fighter on close losses to accurately determine how good he is

because he will typically disapoint in that he is just not a winner.

That said – I am aware that prior to Wake we still looked like a top 15 team – and did again last week

by 93noleman on Oct 18, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

That boxing analogy is stupid and wrong when applied to football.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I dont think so. Probably 30-13.

They cant hold us under 30 and I dont see them scoring much. If they had O’Brien they’d have a better chance.

by cerebralfish on Oct 18, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

LJ

Moody didnt take out Wilson or Taylor. Actually quite the opposite.

by cerebralfish on Oct 19, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone notice how whenever LJ hits someone he's got a forearm or elbow sticking in there?

Not sure if that’s what got Haulstead, but it certainly KO’d Stills, and I’ve seen it flash in there just about everytime he has a chance to make a big lick.

Think that’s going to cause someone some problems at some point.

PS…. it’s pretty clear that Stills had a concussion after LJ’s hit. Pretty sure nothing else explains the vomiting after he cracked him. So, by NCAA medical protocol, Stills should not have returned to the game post-concussion…. and there’s no jump ball over Greg Reid, and we beat OU. Just another “what if” to chew on :(

by arrdub on Oct 19, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I maybe in the minority but....

With all the injuries and shuffling on “O” I don’t see it as the big issue. With the exception of OU we have scored enough to beat everyone. Its our “D” that I am worried about against a mobile QB. Mobile QB’s take us to the woodshed.

by NOLEisticscience on Oct 18, 2011 9:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Where can I find

An updated depth chart for FSU that is up to date with the WR injuries and O-Line swaps?

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by seminoleit on Oct 18, 2011 9:16 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ll have FSU’s updated in a minute


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

We'll notice if one goes down

Gonna need DC to get well soon.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Oct 18, 2011 10:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

DC needs to perform

if he wants to stay at FSU. Word on the team is that he’s soft.

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Oct 18, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dear lord… That’s a bat signal for a DRusso joke

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by FSU on Oct 18, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dun Dun DUNNNNNnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...............

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by DRusso97 on Oct 18, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are supplements for that...

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by DRusso97 on Oct 18, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

And right on cue…..

Seminole Game Day -- "All the trash talkin' stops, when the spear drops."

by FSU on Oct 19, 2011 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

You guys called my attention to it or I probably would have skimmed right by it....

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by DRusso97 on Oct 19, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard or soft

We lost one more DT and someone’s gonna have to man the middle.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Oct 19, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you

Roses are red, Violets are blue, If it wears orange, Kill it.

by seminoleit on Oct 18, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm surprised EJ is bigger than CJ7.

I know EJ is really big but CJ7 looks ripped out huge. Sorry thats kind of off topic but I noticed on the depth chart CJ7 is 240 as opposed to EJ’s 245. CJ7 looks like he has substantially more bulk.

by cerebralfish on Oct 19, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Running game

Hopefully, we can establish the run w/ Freeman and possibly Wilder. Get them more pt and establish some rythem with the o-line. I think the young backs and OL will continue to get better each week.

This will be important if we want to win out.

by patriotnole on Oct 18, 2011 9:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

FSU is a different team with Manuel.

I firmly believe and buy into what Fisher was saying about the whole team reacts to their leader either playing or not playing…and with Manuel playing…we know the offense will be capable…and it seems the defense shows up too…let’s start that march to 9-3 and then a bowl win.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Oct 18, 2011 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I hope Manuel can fire up the D because they really haven’t hit anyone in the face yet since OU.

by NOLEisticscience on Oct 18, 2011 9:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think that EJ's legs and our talented WRs mitigate most of the problems that our O has

e.g., EJ’s questionable ability to succeed in mid-range passing, etc. Typically running QBs (like EJ) force the secondary to play man. I just don’t see a secondary containing our WRs for an entire game—eventually they’re going to get behind their defender in man and EJ can continue to connect on vertical routes.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Oct 18, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know our fanbase is pretty down on our team right now

But this game has blowout written all over it. 48-17.
I see us winning by 30+.

WAR PAINT OF TN

by Zach_Nole on Oct 18, 2011 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Why be mad at Clemson?

At least they are taking charge of their own destiny and not backing into the damn championship game.

It’s refreshing to see an ACC team loaded with talent – take it to the competition like they should.

I just hope FSU is taking notes on how to do it on the field.

sidenote: I do NOT want FSU to take notes on how Dabo doe$ it in recruiting

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by Nattylite on Oct 18, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Complete agreement!

We can’t control what Clemson (or any other Atlantic team) does. We lost to Clemson b/c they capitalized on our mistakes and injuries. Our goals for the rest of the season are to stay focused on staying disciplined and beating the snot out of other teams.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Oct 18, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

p.s.

now we know that Clemson will face SCAR sans Lattimore… good fortune continues.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Oct 18, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

They lucked into every game on their "schedule of [sic] champions"

Dabo can scream and holler all he wants, but it really ended up being the “schedule of beat-up/poorly coached/young teams that aren’t playing at the level they were last year when they became champions”. or the “schedule of 2 teams that lost their QB to draft and injury, respectively, and a team that misused it’s QB… who last year happened to be champions”.

They can probably hang with Boise/Wisconsin/Stanford… but that they are seriously considering themselves serious NC contenders is ridiculous. I don’t think, even in Death Valley, would they be within 2 possessions of OU/Bama/LSU. Bud Foster held them fairly well, we gifted them 17. Their offense is explosive but not unstoppable.

by jmnpb996 on Oct 18, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

BC sucks with or without Harris.

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by RollNole5 on Oct 18, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still

Luckiest team in America

by FSUKook on Oct 18, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hah agreed

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by RollNole5 on Oct 18, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell them to enjoy it while thay can b/c it will be there last for a very long time.

Lucky for them EJ was hurt and the defense had a major brain cramp…and they still only beat us by 5 at home.

I’m trying to be optimistic, can you tell?

by patriotnole on Oct 18, 2011 9:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

clemson is a very young team, no?

And they have great coaches, save Dabo.
Why wouldnt they only get better??
They have proven they can recruit lights out as well.
I think Clemson is going to be a real problem from here on out.

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by Blue Horseshoe on Oct 18, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree, they will be good...

I just think we are better and will continue to improve. I just can’t get past the fact that I believe if we play that game under different circumstances we would win.

by patriotnole on Oct 18, 2011 10:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes, Clemson is very young

something like 42 players on their roster are HS- or RS-Freshmen. They will get better.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Oct 18, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

They have great talent, but they might be in trouble on the o-line next year.

3 senior startes and 3 senior back-ups.

And we all see what can happen when your o-line sucks.

by FSUjab on Oct 18, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see him as HC at a major program, and don't see him leaving to HC a minor one with the talent they have

2 years of College OC does not a CFB HC make. And he’s benefitted largely from Malzahn’s recruiting and a CUSA schedule at Tulsa. Just ridiculous offensive playmakers and a weak schedule at CU.

Not denying he one day won’t be great, but there’s too many question marks for a large-name team to hire him. He’s better off sticking around a year or two and seeing what they can do with the guys they have now. If they develop 11 beating hearts to put out on defense they’re going to be tough to beat next year

by jmnpb996 on Oct 18, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

The timelines for coaching career ladders is being compressed.

Someone will make an offer if their success continues. Whether the offer is at a level he will accept is unknown.

by arrdub on Oct 18, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

UNC may be a viable option.

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by FSU on Oct 18, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, please :)

ABC – Anywhere But Clemson.

by arrdub on Oct 18, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

New AD was at Clemson where he was an OC. May feel comfortable with him.

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by FSU on Oct 18, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope not

I live in NC and their fan base is pathetic.“wine and cheese” is an understatement.

by patriotnole on Oct 18, 2011 5:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe for Steele too...

Then again, Stoops is probably on the expanded list as well.

by TuckNole on Oct 18, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

They recruit very well, but we recruit lights out.

We have been almost doubling their number of espn150 guys and that goes for 2012 also where we have 10 vs their 6 with 4 less players in total (16 to their 20). They have a big jump to make if they are going to come close to out recruiting us. Their defense is pitiful and their head coach sucks. You really cant discount a bad head coach as a reason that they will have trouble reaching their full potential.

by cerebralfish on Oct 19, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

They won the ACC in 1991

So, maybe it’s their turn? Wake has won it since they have. Maryland has won it since they have. Ga Tech has won it since they have. Va Tech has won it three times since they have.

FSU has won it 12 times since they have.

Yeah, it’s probably “their turn,” LOL.

by Sobering on Oct 18, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Clemson fans who are already buying tickets are either idiots, or not real Clemson fans.

That team, hell that entire athletics program, has been defined by great starts getting spoiled by massive collapses. If I was a Clemson fan I would be deathly afraid of anything that might trigger their downfall right now.

by 38Noles on Oct 18, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

In this vein, i.e.,

FSU is 3-3 but now has returned its key starters, I did a quick analysis of teams using O YPP Rank and D YPP Rank, which I added together then divided by 2. FSU’s resulting rank (using just these 2 metrics) #4 nationally, behind only Bama, Whisky & Stanford. Yes, this ignores lots of important elements of a team, but IMO this shows that if we can stay disciplined (read: limit TOs & penalties), we’re one of the best teams in the country. Note: this ranking included data from an FSU team that had injuries at key starting positions.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Oct 18, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh...if everyone remains healthy

we’ll be 9-3…no doubt about it.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Oct 18, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes i undertsand all that but...

It makes my blood boil for that fan base to act like they are. It isn’t like they beat every team with their starters. They are acting like they have won a NC. That’s my issue with it.

by NOLEisticscience on Oct 18, 2011 9:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

wouldn't you do the same thing

if we were 5-0 right now? being confident and rubbing it in saying we are going to ACCCG? i think many of us were doing that even before the season started.

Beating us with or without injuries doesn’t matter – they beat us.

by Noles 2012 on Oct 18, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

stop being so logical

there is no room for logic where hatred of Clemson and UF is concerned :)

by LeeBelle on Oct 18, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

nah i would not do the samething.

I have had many debates with them about it and you are right. With our starters or not they did beat us. Even when I agree with them about it they still try to bring up how they are such a powerful force. Thus me giving them any type of credit just goes out the window…..maybe I didn’t do a good job of explaining……….I guess I am upset how they are going about it is all I’m saying.

by NOLEisticscience on Oct 18, 2011 10:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

agreed

about them starting up as if they are the next dynasty… big difference.

by Noles 2012 on Oct 18, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

BCS bid...

…only Notre Dame gets BCS bids at 9-3. FSU would need 9-3 and a lot of teams to lose.

My very own CFB computer poll:

GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
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by fsutampaguy on Oct 18, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anything is possible (unless you have 6 or 7 losses)

But I just don’t see a 3 loss ACC team getting an at-large.

You would need some of the elite teams to start having their seasons tank on a large-scale basis.

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by Nattylite on Oct 18, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

there will be no space with the Okl St. probably having 1-2 losses, LSU/Bama same thing, Boise most likely not losing plus the automatic qualifiers… much would have to slide our way.

0 chance.

by Noles 2012 on Oct 18, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

.0000001% chance.

There is never a zero percent chance. That’s why the games are played.

My very own CFB computer poll:

GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
>>>--------,,,-----/>

by fsutampaguy on Oct 18, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

No matter our chances......

As a result my liver has suffered significant damage this year.

by NOLEisticscience on Oct 18, 2011 10:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

FSU is going to beat Maryland...

by atleast 24 points… The coaches have probably figured this gameplan out already from watching Temple, but all we have to do is concentrate our run game towards Kenny Tate all game. Make sure we get a linemen like Sanders or Fahrenkrug to continuously target him in the second level and Maryland is going to crumble. Plus our passing game is unstoppable… Maryland is going to play with their 2nd string quarterback, so I would play everybody up towards the line of scrimmage to take away his running ability, and force him to beat us deep. Stoops is going to continue to be aggressive on “D” so we will cause a lot of confusion and turnovers… It may be over by half time…

by zone3nole on Oct 18, 2011 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Is this your prediction for the Wake game with just the name of the opponent changed?

I kid – but we as fans are bi freakin polar – depending on whether we just lost or won – last week posters thought we were going 5-7 now we are going 9-3 – good grief

by 93noleman on Oct 18, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol.. yea I did predict a Wake blow-out..

but I realized I was giving too much credit to a Freshmen quarterback who isn’t ready to be consistently counted on. EJ Manuel is the team’s pulse and as long as he is healthy, making plays with his arms and feet then our defense is going to feed off that and make plays on their end too… Wake gave us an ego check and now everybody is on a whole different page mentally as far as taking every opponent seriously from Duke on out… With our O-line improving from week to week (I actually believe we may be better off with the new Oline personnel shift) and our defense geared up, we should run the table the rest of the way…

by zone3nole on Oct 18, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Wake game really highlighted how much better our O is with EJ,

who can run, than Trickett. And also the reason why I don’t see Trickett ever starting—Coker will start in 2013.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Oct 18, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

too early to write off any freshman as to how they will be as a junior - especially at QB - that said I never thought Tricket had the complete set of tools required to be a good college QB

I do not see consistency from this team so I do think you can extrapolate anything from past play this year – except we are capable of dominating or whiffing.

by 93noleman on Oct 18, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't think Trickett will develop a new ability

i.e., running, in the next few years. I agree that he’ll be a very solid backup to have for 3 more years.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Oct 18, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea I wouldn't count out Trickett yet...

He has a lot of good attributes to him that a lot of bigger quarterbacks and older quarterbacks don’t have. To be able to go into a hostile environment and almost beat Clemson, as well as almost beating Oklahoma, shows that he has a lot of poise, accuracy, and intangibles that you don’t see from a freshmen. Most freshmen and/or 2nd string quarterbacks would go into Clemson and completely breakdown or go in against a nasty Oklahoma defense and try to find a corner to hide in.

If Trickett can gain some solid weight in the years to come, so he won’t get tossed like a ragged doll everytime he gets hit, I could definitely see him being our starting QB. As long as we have an O-line that can protect him and a running game that can be productive, without having to have the quarterback pitch in, then Trickett could do very well…

by zone3nole on Oct 18, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. FSU isn’t much better after Duke than it was after Wake.

Main difference is refs stopped F*&# FSU and EJ came back.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 18, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look for the refs to resume normal service this week.

by 38Noles on Oct 18, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I were FSU coaches I'd probably take that strategy

I doubt Kenny Tate will play, hes didn’t play at all against Georgia Tech or Clemson so I doubt you’ll see him, but maybe you will. If not, running right at him obviously is not a valid streategy. If FSU can take what Maryland’s defense gives them by establishing the run then Maryland will have to cheat up its safeties and FSU has the QB and Receivers to beat UMD deep at that point. On D, i imagine FSU will try to take away the run and make CJ Brown beat you with his arm. Taking away the run may not be all that simple unless FSU is willingly to load the box. If the don’t load the box, but can take away the run they have UMD right where they want them. On the other hand if they have to load the box to stop the run, UMD might get a couple big passes. CJ Brown is not a superstar passer, but if you have man to man coverage with no safety help you’ll probably give up some passing yards even if you have a good secondary.

by philibu on Oct 18, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can put 8 in the box & still play cover-3.

There is no reason to play 0-coverage (man-to-man with no Safety help) unless you are blitzing 6-7 players.

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by DRusso97 on Oct 19, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't count on Drakeford or Tate being back, I doubt the depth chart is a rouse

Against Clemson we were missing all three starting Linebackers and started a True Freshman and two RS Freshmen in their place. Edsall has been secretive about Tate’s injury so maybe hes back, but Tates HS coach made some comments about him continually having to drain his knee. Drakeford has been only played in two games so far, so I doubt he’ll be back.

The DE’s are young, Mackall is a second year sophomore and Bowers a true freshman but they started the last 5 games at their respective positions so do have half a season under their belts.

by philibu on Oct 18, 2011 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Drakeford is back

The injury report states that Darrin Drakeford will be back and playing against FSU. Its not clear if he will start, as this is is first game back after missing the last three but he will play.

Andre Monroe was upgraded from out for the game the past three weeks to questionable for FSU.

Pete White who I did not even know had an injury was listed as probable.

by philibu on Oct 21, 2011 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

To those fans comparing Maryland and Duke

Right now I don’t think there is a huge difference between the teams. That said they are different teams with different matchups.

Duke was destroyed earlier. They used a risky strategy of cheating up against the run and got nailed when Manual hit 3 50+ passes in the first Quarter. For example, Maryland could decide that they won’t give up the deep pass and make FSU march down the field on 10-15 play drives. If Manual gets greedy and throws a bomb when we have man coverage plus safeties over the top, the FSU receiver may make a play or it could just as easily end up a momentum changing interception. Likewise, Manual could just take what Maryland gives him and march up and down the field. Alternatively Maryland could do what duke did and leave themselves susceptible to the deep pass. Clemson nailed us on a few of those.

My point was the easy Duke win was not inevitable. A lot of things could have happened that could have made the game a bigger blowout or have given Duke momentum at critical points and kept the score closer.

So while its probably not far off to say Maryland is a 3 point favorite against Duke on a neutral field taht doesn’t mean you’ll necessary get the same 41-16 results. You may, its certainly possible. Right now I think FSU clearly has a better combination of talent and experience, but its not inevitable.

I think some posters are confusing what happened against Duke with what would happen against Duke if they played again. FSU would have a 95% chance of winning, but it would be a completely different game.

by philibu on Oct 18, 2011 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Duke =/= Maryland

Different teams, different personnel, different matchups.

EJ wasn’t throwing up lobs, 2 of his deep balls against Duke were a couple of the best passes I’ve ever seen him throw. The Shaw ball was good but not great.

EJ isn’t tossing up lobs and hoping his receivers come down with them. He made good plays when his receivers got open.

by jmnpb996 on Oct 19, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

On one hand, I think you're discounting our dominance over Duke because you're not considering the onside kicks.

Equivalent of 3 turnovers. Without those, it could (should) have easily been a 40 point win.

That said, i think the caliber of athletes at Maryland >>>> than those at Duke. That’s what really determines upset potential, in my book, as Maryland might have a few guys that can turn around a game with some huge plays… breaking a huge run, kickoff for score, INT for TD, etc. Not sure that Duke has a similar capacity.

Thankfully the game is at home so even if they get some big momentum swinging plays, your team won’t be fueled to CONTINUE any sort of run by a rowdy crowd. Hard to sustain a level of play that is “over your heads” in a hostile environment.

by arrdub on Oct 19, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

That, and after 34-3 we slowed down and they started playing as hard as possible

They went 13-7 on us with a 2-0 turnover margin and 4 downs.

And now Cutcliffe gets to show a 25 point loss to FSU at end of season vs a 40 point loss. Looks better on paper.

by jmnpb996 on Oct 19, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

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