Noles News 10.19.11
by Bud Elliott on Oct 19, 2011 9:43 AM EDT
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PrintFSU had to get some work done indoors yesterday due to the nasty weather in Tallahssee. Patrick Nohe of the Miami Herald reports that Jacobbi McDaniel's surgery for his dislocated and broken ankle was successful.
Here are the guys we for sure know will not play this Saturday (starters in bold): RB Chris Thompson (year), LT Andrew Datko (year), OL Henry Orelus, RG David Spurlock, OL Blake Snider (year, career over), WR Willie Haulstead (likely for year), NG Jacobbi McDaniel (year), DT Darius Cummings, DT/NG Moses McCray.
Rashad Greene is obviously questionable with his ankle. Bert Reed should play more (also an ankle injury).
Greg Reid Florida State: Greg Reid trying to be fully focused for Florida State - OrlandoSentinel.com
Greg Reid, speaking for the first time since his late-September arrest, said Tuesday that he's trying to be fully focused for Florida State. Good video here of Reid.
Who will run the table? - ACC Blog - ESPN
1. Florida State
The lineup: Maryland, NC State, at Boston College, Miami, Virginia, at Florida
The analysis: The Seminoles’ next three opponents are a combined 6-12. If FSU doesn’t come out of that stretch 3-0, Jimbo Fisher has bigger problems this year than we thought. The toughest game in this lineup, as of right now, looks like the home game against Miami. Florida, which is 2-3 in the SEC right now, is definitely beatable. Again.
The prediction: The Noles rebound from a disappointing first-half of the season and the win over Duke was the start of a seven-game winning streak. The loss to Wake Forest? It was the last for FSU in 2011.
Oh, and Maryland has officially announced that C.J. Brown will be its QB for the FSU game. There should be no element of surprise for the defense to overcome and you can bet they will be repping all of the QB runs this week. Brown is a very good runner and an unknown as a thrower. I believe a big part of Brown's success against Clemson was Clemson being unprepared for Brown and not believing he would be the starter over 2010 Rookie of the Year, Danny O'Brien.
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Snider ankle/foot surgery didn’t go and he is done.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 19, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, not sure. Done at FSU
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 19, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
If you had to guess based on the season to date
how many guys transfer to other schools during the offseason?
I still want an explanation for that.
Coaches had to know Datko was questionable. If Greenlee has been able to start for UNA they should have sold him on sticking around.
NCAA disqualified him from playing
He could have stayed, finished his degree, and not counted toward the 85 max. Apparently, an athlete can come back from a DQ.
Basically, FSU said he could have stayed and finished his degree but never play again. Greenlee decided to test other waters.
What are you glorifying with your life?
I think we run the rest of the ACC easily.
I’m not sure about the Florida game though, I’m gunna have to see more of them throughout the year before I can make a prediction.
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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Oct 19, 2011 9:54 AM EDT reply actions
UF is a totally different team with Brantley...
Until we see how they play with him back, it’s an unknown.
I agree that they’re slightly better, but Brantley is far from being a game-changer QB. I’d take EJ over him all day.
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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Oct 19, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
He absolutely changes the game for them.
Compared to Brissett and Driskel he’s Tom Brady.
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Don't give Brantly too much credit.
Where is this coming from? The quasi-decent half he had against Bama? I don’t think the outcome of that game would have been much different had he not gotten hurt.
Gimme some sugar, baby.
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Oct 19, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we run the season...
the rest of the way through. The Miami game will probably be our toughest because they will come in pissed off about that beat down we handed to them last year, but their lack of defensive depth and inability to stop a dual-threat QB will give us the edge and win. The Florida game may start off close because we’re at Gainesville and they’ll also have revenge on their minds, but after the second half, our overall talent and their lack of talent that matches their system will overcome them. If the Florida State defense that played Oklahoma shows up for that Florida game, Florida shouldn’t score more than 10 pts.
I think the difference in our defense vs. Brantley-led UF is light years from it vs. those two GREEN kids who are a long way from ready
The latter, we eat alive right there in front of their fans. The former, anybody’s game on UF’s home field.
I am going to stick with the wait and see approach
To say that we should run the table on the rest of our ACC games. You just never know.
by NOLEisticscience on Oct 19, 2011 10:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's really crazy to see all the injuries laid out like that
and that doesn’t include the important pieces (like E.J.) that have missed significant time.
I think a lot of people were predicting 10-2 this year. But if you had preseason handed them a list of our injuries and their timing, how many would have still predicted 10-2?
And yet half of them were melting down.
We’ve still got work to do, no doubt. This team should not lose 3 more games obviously, with this schedule, and if they do we’ve got an issue. But good grief, how many teams are going to overcome that kind of injury situation?
I think a lot of people were predicting 10-2 this year. But if you had preseason handed them a list of our injuries and their timing, how many would have still predicted 10-2?
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 19, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you asked rhetorically during fall camp
which player (besides Manuel) could we least afford to get hurt, and the almost unanimous response was “Datko”. If we finish the season 9-4, Jimbo & staff did a great job.
If we lose another game I hope that loss is to UVA.
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Melted down because it was Wake, IMO.
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by CornNole on Oct 19, 2011 11:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Funny parallel with UF
Big losses to Bama and LSU, then choke vs AU.
…Cept we didn’t lose that bad to OU or CU. Or even to Wake.
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Those three teams from the SEC are a lot harder
than the three we played. Overall.
And UF looked a lot worse than FSU did
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 19, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Combined records are the same.
We lost by an aggregate of 20 points to teams who are a combined 18-2. It’s not like we lost to bad teams. I know it is Wake, and they have terrible resources and poor recruiting, but Jim Grobe is a good coach and we should probably get used to the idea that once every 4 years Wake will finish in the top half of the ACC.
I guess going be record is ok, but not by points.
I doubt we could of put up 30 on LSU or Bama.
I'll give you Wake but
Oklahoma is comparable to LSU and Bama. Clemson is better than Auburn.
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by pasadenanole22 on Oct 19, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Their defense isn't -- at least I don't think it is.
But OU offense much more explosive.
Would be curious to see how we would fare against Bama’s or LSU’s offense.
OU defense just as good as Bama
per S&P ranking of #3. (LSU at #2 and Bama at #4)
uh,
Considering almost half of those points came in garbage time, yeah I think we could.
by NoleFin on Oct 20, 2011 10:23 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
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That was in response to the comment that we couldn’t put up 30 on LSU/Bamma.
by NoleFin on Oct 20, 2011 10:25 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Not so fast my friend
OU is as good as UA or LSU. Do not buy into the all of the hype about those defenses – Landry Jones’ ability to chuck the ball is an equalizer. OU’s defense is as physical as any in the land, as we can attest.
Clemson – Watkins is the best player on the field anywhere he plays (darnit!). CU has the ability to hit either LSU or UA for a couple quick scores and force those teams to play catch-up. OU will attest that our D is darn good and CU dropped 35 on us the following week. CU can score against elite SEC teams.
Wake can throw the ball. Auburn has proven all year that a QB that has any ability whatsoever can throw on them. Wake probably takes AU 50% of the time on a neutral site.
Total defense rankings
1. Bama (home game)
4. LSU (away game)
22. OU (home game)
40. WF (away game)
57. Clemson (away game)
78. Auburn (away game)
OU D is good, but not that good (FSU and UF are better). Offensively our competition has been better this year, but I still think the defense outweighs here.
Still think that SEC west is a beast.
Why are you using Total Defense?
S&P Rankings: Defense
2. LSU
3. OU
4. Alabama
10. FSU
29. UF
54. Auburn
60. Clemson
68. Wake
OU’s defense so far has been every bit as good as LSU and Bama, and better than FSU and UF.
Ok so flip the numbers around...
my point still stands.
You point still stands that OU's D isn't that good?
When it is ranked #3, ahead of Alabama, FSU and UF?
My point was that defensively
UF’s competition has been more difficult than ours. I said OU’s D is good. Especially if the jump in defensive ranking goes from 3 to 60 vs 2 to 4.
So according to S&P,
Defensively, OU, LSU and Bama are equivalents, and Auburn, Wake and Clemson are equivents.
Just going by the eyeball test, I’d rank offenses:
1. OU
1a. Clemson
These teams can run or pass, and have multiple and dominant playmakers.
2. Bama
One-dimensional but can impose its will upon other team through dominant playmaker Richardson.
3. LSU
3a. Wake
Both have flaws offensively but still can score effectively when set up by their defense (in LSU’s case every week, in Wake’s case, just FSU week).
4. Auburn.
Who knew that Malzahn’s genius left town for the Carolina Panthers?
I'm not sold on Clemson's O just yet.
After FSU and VT they haven’t played against much defensively. And we were just coming off the big game with OU.
I’m not sold on Clemson’s O just yet.
You realize you are completely and absolutely alone on this one, right?
What are you glorifying with your life?
LOL! It's beginning to look alot like a troll job.
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by pasadenanole22 on Oct 19, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
This is pretty sad where our rivalry is at.
We’re trying to figure out which of our three losses are most impressive. puke
by PullingGuardGator on Oct 19, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
DocHoliday would have...
if you had preseason handed them a list of our injuries and their timing, how many would have still predicted 10-2?
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I'm finally getting excited.
For the Miami game. The tickets have arrived! Hopefully we can remain focused, build momentum and play solid football until then. Now the only question that remains is what to eat while in Tally.
whataburger is always a good choice
by NOLEisticscience on Oct 19, 2011 10:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hmmm...
Breakfast burrito’s are money there or the whatabox for lunch.
by CashvilleNole on Oct 19, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Whataburger. Yes.
Across Tennessee St. and a short walk west from Kellum Hall, my freshman dorm. Is it still there?
Guthrie's on Tennessee Street
that is if you wanted an instant heart attack. But after a few to many or after a fatty, it absolutley can not be beaten
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by Wire2Wire99Grad on Oct 19, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Hip-Hop isnt in the same leauge as Guths
The six breasts for 6$ couldn’t be beaten in all of Tally. They moved the prices around a bit, but Hip-Hop is the real deal. Should be #1 stop in the 850, b4 or after a fatty
Seriously Turtle, Smoke More Weed
by Mannieblunts on Oct 19, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
On the topic of Tally Chicken
Did anyone ever go a place called Shingles? Is was off Railroad in a old industrial park. The building was an old house and it was so old and dusty but it had the best fried chicken I have ever had. There were FSU & FAMU football posters from the early 90’s that were put and never taken down. Did you know Tupac & Snoop marketed a malt liquor called “Gangsta Brew” I know they did because I saw the poster in Shingles. I believe it either closed or relocated in 2007 or so.
by NationWideNole on Oct 19, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
God I'd love a Gut-box with no slaw, extra fries, and an extra sauce right now.
With tons of ketchup for the fries and a gallon of sweet tea w/ a cup/ice. Pass the defibrillator.
lawdy15
my mouth started watering as I read your post. I always forced myself to eat the slaw though, pretending it was the “healthy” part of your gut box.
If I was a condemed man on death row and had my last meal, it would be a Gut Box
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by Wire2Wire99Grad on Oct 20, 2011 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions
MoMo's
has some of the best pizza in the country
by YeahCumon on Oct 19, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Beats Whataburger...
Jim & Milt’s Hobo special (breakfast: eggs, grits, toast, coffee – $2 and some change)
Gordo’s
California Chicken Grill (wife loves this)
Red Elephant (if you wander off from the stadium area a little)
Hobbit
What kind of food are you looking for? There’s plenty of your “national chain” variety also.
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by slumgullion on Oct 19, 2011 1:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not that it's important, but I noticed
that both on the updated depth chart you posted yesterday and now today in the news and notes you listed Blake Snider as out (MDQ) but not Rhonne Sanderson who is also out MDQ. Any reason?
I never thought Sanderson was any good, but he should be up there as well. The coaches really liked Snider pre-injury.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 19, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotcha, would have been nice to have
at least another experienced body with all the other injuries this year, though.
by LilburnNole on Oct 19, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Sanderson and Snider were old injuries
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 19, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, so we beat Duke Heather and now we're gonna run the table?
The thought process here by HD is terrible, but no one will ever know if FSU does indeed run the table. sigh.
Vice President of the Brandon Jenkins=Leroy Jenkins club.
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I really have no clue why I read the ESPN ACC blog, or even follow it on Twitter
Not even crappy sportswriter platitudes, just absolute nonsense in every post. “Wake beat FSU, IS DUKE ON UPSET ALERT?”
Duke Heather
deserves to have a land and title stripped.
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by JaxNole on Oct 19, 2011 10:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll take her gloating/nonsense
if it means winning out
Heather has the easiest job in America
Gimme some sugar, baby.
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Oct 19, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Like a weather man
never has to be right only close
off topic
turns out I cant make the NC St game, so does anyone need a ticket or would anyone like to swap tickets for a different home game? If all else fails I guess ill throw it on craigslist
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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 19, 2011 10:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Ill take it but were not trading ;)
Seriously Turtle, Smoke More Weed
by Mannieblunts on Oct 19, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Nobody cared that FSU was "beatable" or sucked when UF had it's run.
But now that we’re in position to beat them, it’s all “they’re down”, “no depth”, “beatable”, “2-3”, or “not any good”…
I don’t care about any of those things ;)
What happened to Darius Cummings again???
and is the Moses McCray injury serious too???
Cummings is a hand
McCray leg
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Funny how life works out like that
I was kind of irritated that his red-shirt needed to be wasted last year.
McCray was hurt against Oklahoma.
First drive I think.
I have no idea why Cummings is hurt.
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by pasadenanole22 on Oct 19, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Really surprised by the FEI rankings
FSU…..OFEI- 58, DFEI-31, SE-12
Mary…..OFEI-61, DFEI-34, SE-89
Thought we’d have been higher in O and D and special teams was about what I expected.
Mary’s seemed about right but I’d have thought they would have been lower on the defensive side. Anybody that follows ACC football knows their special teams are anything but. Too damn close for comfort with the exception of the specialty boys.
Since the TN gurus have me sold on “Outsiders”….what gives?
As another q….we look really good in non -garbage time against Duke and drop from overall #24 to #33 as a result.
Confused in Destin.
FEI still meaningless at this point.
We talked a lot last year about how Fremeau’s ratings take more time than Connely’s since his samples size is too small at this point. FEI is based on drives, S&P is based on plays. For example FEI has Alabama defense ranked 21st. We know that is silly.
I think at this point, better to use S&P where we are ranked 10 in defense and 38 in offense.
Yep. FEI gets better each week while S&P starts to level out
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Thanks guys
Any thoughts on when the confidence level of FEI hits a good point for valid comparison purposes?
Double thanks
just checked S&P and FSU certainly looks better at #14 than at #33.
Is he still having concussion related issues outside of football?
I remember hearing that he had to miss a fair amount of class and things like that. He apparently took a big one.
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