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Maryland Terrapins at Florida State Seminoles game preview

The Maryland Terrapins roll into town to face the Florida State Seminoles for a 3:30pm kickoff. The 'Noles sit at 3-3, the Terps at 2-4, and both have 1-2 records in conference. However, FSU's three losses have come by an average of less than a touchdown against three teams with a combined record of 17-2. 

For an excellent preview from the Maryland site (Testudo Times), go here.

Randy Edsall is no stranger to Northeast colleges and universities. Edsall spent his playing days at Syracuse ('76-'79) playing quarterback then stayed with the Orangemen coaching various positions through the 1990 season. Edsall was then the DB's coach and Boston College and for the Jacksonville Jaguars then spent a season as Georgia Tech's defensive coordinator ('98) prior to taking his first head coaching gig at UConn in December 1998 following the resignation of Skip Holtz (though Skip won there, he wanted the OC job at SC). Edsall led the Huskies from the 1-AA ranks to 1-A then into the Big East and, following the 2010 season, to the Fiesta Bowl. There he ran a conservative I-formation offense that was very fundamentally sound, though low on outright talent. -ShakinTheSouthland (SB Nation Clemson Site)

How Maryland got to 2-4

These are my writeups from each week on Maryland

-Barely beat a Miami team missing most of its starters due to the NCAA suspensions.

  WVU MD
Plays 77 87
Yards/Play 6.3 5.5
WVU outgained MD by 15% per play
Avg Field Position WVU 24 MD 34

-The Maryland Terrapins lost a home game to the West Virginia Mountaineers, 37-31. This was a battle of good offenses and bad defenses. Played at a fast pace, WVU was simply better. 6.3 yards allowed per play is not very good by Maryland. The issue seems to be really poor defensive back play, complete lack of pass rush, and the need to over-involve the safeties in the run defense, exposing those defensive backs. I think Maryland will need Danny O'Brien to play out of his mind each week if the Terps are going to win more than 7 games. That didn't happen yesterday, and part of it is due to Maryland suspending two of its top receivers. Stock Report & Helmet Stickers: http://www.testudotimes.com/2011/9/18/2432153/west-virginia-37-maryland-31-stock-report-and-helmet-stickers

  Temple MD
Plays 53 59
Yards/Play 6.4 3.3
Temple outgained MD by 94% per play
Avg Field Position Temple 40 Maryland 20

-Maryland was demolished at home by Temple 38-7. Want a good example of a team losing the same game twice? This is it. Maryland didn't recover from the loss to WVU last weekend. Does Temple have better players? Of course not. You'd be hard pressed to argue that Maryland took Temple seriously. 

Oh, and this was not a turnover fest! Maryland only gave Temple a single turnover. Ben Broman said the Terps were Shell-Shocked. Here are the helmet stickers and general observations. Maryland is far from a powerhouse team, but do not expect them to come into the FSU game totally unprepared.

Maryland fans were unimpressed. Didn't they bring in Edsall to make a splash and sell tickets? Oops.

-The Maryland Terrapins beat Townson, 28-3. I did not and will not watch this game, so Testudo Times' recap and game balls will have to suffice. 

MD GT
Plays 64 79
Yards/Play 5.23 4.93
MD outgained GT by 5% per play
Field Position MD 26 GT 35

- Maryland went down to Georgia Tech, got down big early and then fought back to lose 21-16. Maryland slightly outgained Georgia Tech, but Tech ran 23% more plays and had almost a 10-yard edge in starting field position. Maryland's passing game is a total mess. They pulled Danny O'Brien (2010 rookie of the year) and the quarterbacks combined to go 5-23 for 53 yards and two picks. That is one of the most awful stat lines of the year. Did Georgia Tech take its foot off the pedal? I didn't watch this game yet, so I cannot say for sure, but up 21-3 entering the 4th quarter, Tech's offense basically quit. Credit to Maryland for not giving up. Game story here from Testudo Times


CU MD
Plays 80 83
Yards/Play 7.2 5.6
CU outgained MD by 29% per play
Field Position Own 41 Own 31

Maryland Blows 18-Point Lead to Undefeated Clemson, Falls in 56-45 Barnburner - Testudo Times
Maryland held a 35-17 lead in the third quarter, but an outpouring of Clemson scoring led to yet another disappointing defeat. Maryland seems to have found its new quarterback in C.J. Brown, who was 17-35 for 177 yards. He was the victim of several drops, so his stat line was better than that. 

Maryland's defense is a bit of a mess as well, obviously. 

The major thing to take from this game is that Maryland really didn't do anything special. Rather, Clemson was really unfocused for much of the game. Boyd threw a pick-6 right to Maryland (one of the worst you will ever see). Clemson also muffed a punt at its own 9. Those were 14 points for Maryland in which MD really didn't have to do a thing. 

Clemson Tigers 56, Maryland Terrapins 45: Stock Report and Helmet Stickers - Testudo Times
Taking stock of Maryland after their close, disappointing loss to #8 Clemson.

The game was not all that close. Maryland did very little to Clemson. Clemson did a lot to Clemson.

Florida State Defense v. Maryland Offense

For the first time in a while, FSU's defense is better than its offense, thus having the honor of going first in the preview.

But for all of the talk about Edsall going conservative, I-Formation, that was not the choice he made in an offensive coordinator:

Maryland's offense is directed by Gary Crowton. Crowton has been a lot of places as offensive coordinator, including LSU, Oregon, Chicago Bears, and Georgia Tech. Crowton has two stints as a collegiate head coach: Louisiana Tech (1996-'98) and BYU (2001-'04). LSU won the national championship with Crowton running the offense in 2007. His scheme there was a blend of a no-huddle spread with a lot of carryover of NFL and BYUish principles. BYU guys generally prefer to throw the ball around, and at La Tech, where he really made his mark as an offensive guru, he threw it around a ton. He later grew to absorb whatever worked best for him, and the technical difficulty of an NFL scheme's formations and shifts did influence his offensive philosophy to the complex side. As a result, wherever he goes, he has had success and then later faltered. In Chicago he was one of the first guys to really try the bubble screens in the league. Once they were onto him, he got out. At LSU, his offense worked only with Quarterbacks that Jimbo Fisher had taught fundamentals to, and the offensive execution degraded from 2007 onwards steadily. Most of it apparently because it was too complex for the team to figure out. Sometimes it'll look great, and sometimes they look completely lost, because he doesn't do a good job of keeping it simple for the players. Crowton values complexity to confuse a defense, as opposed to keeping it simple and executing several plays really well (like Morris).

Still, it could be said that he is a strong influence on (Oregon HC) Chip Kelly's offensive scheme. Kelly is from NH, and his passing game is basically Crowton. Crowton's offense at La Tech, New Hampshire, Oregon, and later did influence several guys. He basically made the constraint plays popular again. The guy is not dumb, but his brilliance does not translate in every situation to the field.

In our minds, Crowton's success at Maryland will depend on Edsall's use of restraint. If Edsall keeps him from overcomplicating his offense, he can do really well. However we do not believe him to be a great QB coach. This year, he's gone away from his 2-back/1-2 TE sets to more of a 3-wide, 11 personnel shotgun scheme that emphasizes the zone read. They run the zone read a lot, and Meggett is suited to the RB spot in such a scheme and benched the 2010 ACC Rookie of the Year in favor of C.J. Brown because O'Brien didn't fit the system.

Look for Maryland to show typical spread plays. Inside and outside zone, read option, zone read, midline a variety of screen passes, etc.  I saw a ton of short passes and little screens from UMd in my limited film study.  - ShakinTheSouthland

Clemson was pretty shocked that C.J. Brown started at QB for Maryland, as evidenced by the ill-fitted gameplan and Brown's incredible rushing performance against the Tigers. 

Brown is a runner who can throw. Maryland is going to feature his "4.4" speed (read: 4.5 or 4.6, but still very fast for a QB). Expect them to run this kid into the ground with lowly Boston College on deck. 

They'll be using three plays to do so:

Zone Read

I won't reinvent the wheel. Read all about the zone read here.

This video is incredibly simplistic.

Midline

Excellent posts on the midline play here and here

Speed Option

Here's your explanation of the speed option.

Maryland OFFENSE
WR 82 Marcus Leak 6-0 195 Fr.-HS
13 Kerry Boykins 6-0 190 Jr.-2V
LT 73 Max Garcia 6-4 290 So.-1V
LG 67 Pete White 6-4 330 So.-1V
C 63 Bennett Fulper 6-4 295 Jr.-1V
RG 68 Josh Cary 6-5 290 So.-1V
RT 76 R.J. Dill 6-7 300 Jr.-2V
TE 89 Matt Furstenburg 6-4 245 Jr.-2V
34 Devonte Campbell 6-2 255 Jr.-2V
QB 16 C.J. Brown 6-3 200 So.-1V
5 Danny O’Brien 6-3 215 So.-1V
TB 8 Davin Meggett 5-9 215 Sr.-3V
44 Justus Pickett 5-10 175 Fr.-HS
FB 49 Tyler Cierski 6-0 255 Fr.-HS
WR 17 Quintin McCree 6-1 190 Sr.-3V
1 Tony Logan 5-10 180 Sr.-3V

Mark Stoops has seen some of this before when his Arizona defenses faced Oregon. Always outgunned, his teams nonetheless did well against Oregon, and Ohio State copied Arizona's gameplan in defeating Oregon in the 2009 Rose Bowl. 

What are the general keys to playing against this spread option attack? 

Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline.

Ok, got that? Two years ago, this attack would have dropped 50 on FSU's defense and everyone would have stood around after the game wondering what happened (unless they read Tomahawk Nation, that is, in which case we would have told you what was coming.)

FSU's defensive line and linebackers will be key in this game.

I'll start with the defensive line. FSU's defensive line is much improved from last season, even with the loss of Jacobbi McDaniel to an ankle injury. Still, this will be a different test for them. They need to forget about sacks. Just forget about sacks in this contest. Forget about flying off the ball and getting around blockers.

This will be about power. It will be about controlling the blocker in front of you. That means playing low, with leverage, and not trying to go around him. If a defensive lineman tries to shoot to one side of a blocker, Maryland's QB will simply go to the other side of that blocker and use him as a shield. FSU should absolutely be able to control these blockers, but that must be the focus. Sacks, tackles for loss, etc are not en vogue this week. Don't give Brown anything to read. Bjoern Werner has a chance to really hurt Maryland by dominating the tackle on the edge, not allowing a read, and just gumming up the works. Jenkins needs to turn in an acceptable game against the run. Youngsters Cam Erving and Timmy Jernigan must be disciplined on the interior.

The same goes when pass rushing. Ends need to bull rush and not get upfield. The absolute worst place to be for a pass rusher is behind a QB. That's especially true with Brown. Brandon Jenkins needs to ditch the spin move in this contest as well. That's fine if the QB is a stationary target, but not when he can move like Brown. So bull-rush, do not pick a gap, and try to contain brown. 

Patience is key against this scheme. I worry about this a bit with a defense like FSU that racks up tons of tackles-for-loss. FSU really needs to trust its plan and not get too aggressive. Maryland will pick up first downs against FSU, but the 'Noles must prevent the big play.

Brown is an unpolished thrower and his receivers are inexperienced and new because some of the regulars are suspended or injured. FSU should and likely will give him the short pass if he can throw it, betting that he will not always be on the same page with these receivers. Having only started one game, that seems like a good bet. Let that lack of cohesion show through, which could lead to an interception. And when he completed some of the short stuff (particularly the screens), FSU must tackle. This seems similar to Oklahoma, but missed tackles make Maryland's offense go.

Expect primarily zone defense in this game. Playing man defense against Brown is a fool's errand. Zone allows all 11 eyes to face forward and on the QB. It could also lead to an interception if Brown is as inaccurate as he was against Clemson -- a game in which Tiger defenders dropped two gift interceptions.

With its secondary apparently healthy now, I'd expect to see more Nickel coverage, and perhaps more Telvin Smith

FSU has seen this pace before, so it shouldn't be anything new. This is where the defensive depth really pays off.

Davin Meggett is a very good runner, and a real threat. They hit the tight end for over 100 yards against Clemson, but FSU definitely should be ready for that. 

FSU Defensive Goals

Hold Maryland to no more than 5 yards/play before garbage time. Examples: 65 plays - 325 yards | 70 plays - 350 yards | 75 - 375 yards | 80 plays - 400 yards | 85 plays - 425 yards | 90 plays - 450 yards

- Hold Maryland to less than 50% TDs in the red zone

- Hold Maryland to no more than four plays over 20 yards & zero scores of more than 20 yards. (Allows FSU to go big in the red zone and use its size advantage).

- Force Two Turnovers

Star-divide

Florida State Offense v. Maryland Defense

Maryland DEFENSE
DE 11 David Mackall 6-3 240 So.-1V
41 Marcus Whitfi eld 6-3 230 So.-SQ
DT 72 Joe Vellano 6-2 285 Jr.-2V
97 Darius Kilgo 6-3 290 Fr.-RS
DT 90 Maurice Hampton 6-2 295 Sr.-2V
96 A.J. Francis 6-4 295 Jr.-2V
DE 91 Keith Bowers 6-2 260 Fr.-HS
54 Cody Blue 6-4 260 So.-SQ
STAR 15 Mario Rowson 6-3 190 Fr.-RS
6 Kenny Tate 6-4 220 Sr.-3V
MIKE 53 Lorne Goree 6-1 230 Fr.-RS
47 Cole Farrand 6-2 233 Fr.-HS
WILL 52 Darin Drakeford 6-0 240 Jr.-2V
35 Alex Twine 6-0 220 Fr.-HS
CB 25 Dexter McDougle 5-10 190 So.-1V
14 Jeremiah Johnson 5-11 170 Fr.-RS
S 48 Eric Franklin 6-2 205 Jr.-2V
29 Austin Walker 6-0 195 Sr.-3V
S 27 Titus Till 6-2 195 Fr.-RS
19 A.J. Hendy 6-1 195 Fr.-HS
CB 22 Cameron Chism 5-10 190 Sr.-3V
21 Trenton Hughes 5-11 190 Sr.-2V

The two M.A.S.H. Units here, as FSU's offense is missing four starters, while Maryland's defense is missing five. FSU should have the advantage here because it has better talent and depth, but the losses have significantly hurt both sides. 

As seen above, Maryland's new 4-2-5 scheme under Todd Bradford has not been great this season. Allowing more than 6 yards/play three times this season, this unit definitely misses its injured players, but it also desperately misses its excellent defensive coordinator Don Brown. I guarantee you Jimbo Fisher and co. were happy to see Brown leave. Yes, FSU had good success against Brown, but he was a pain to prepare for. 

Maryland has a quality defensive tackle rotation, featuring superstar Joe Vellano, who made 22 tackles against Georgia Tech. I've never heard of that outside little league. Francis and Hampton are pretty good inside as well. FSU's new G-C-G trio of Jacob Fahrenkrug, Bryan Stork and Garrett Faircloth just need to hold their own against Maryland's defensive interior. I don't expect them to dominate.

The same can't be said for the battle between FSU's offensive tackles and Maryland's defensive ends. Zebrie Sanders and yes, Bobby Hart, should have the advantage over Maryland's Mackall and Bowers (Bowers was playing HS ball on Nick O'Leary's team last season). 

The Terps' linebackers are no great shakes either. Just like last week, Tate and Hartsfield are doubtful. But Darin Drakeford will go for Maryland, which is better than what the Terps had against Clemson. Still, Maryland starts a true freshman and a red-shirt freshman, neither of which were highly recruited. You can bet Jimbo is eager to attack this combo. Perhaps more balls to Nick O'Leary?

Last week FSU went back to more of its zone-based running attack and scrapped much of the man stuff they tried to put in over the off-season. I'll have an article on this next week, but you should expect more of this as FSU is comfortable running out of these looks, and they've dominated the ACC on the ground the last two seasons with these zone looks. The return of E.J. Manuel makes this all the more effective. 

Maryland will bring the blitz, which means you might see more Ty Jones and Jermaine Thomas, and a bit less of Devonta Freeman. That is, unless Freeman has his pass protections down. Can't have a freshman blowing blitz pickups and getting the QB killed.

Maryland's corners are not bad, but the safeties are quite suspect. In addition, Maryland's corners are quite aggressive, so don't be surprised to see some double moved on the outside, perhaps to Rodney Smith

Offensive Goals

- At least 6 2/3 yards/play before garbage time. Example: 55 Plays 367 Yards | 60 Plays 400 Yards | 65 Plays 433 Yards | 70 Plays 467 Yards | 75 Plays 500 Yards | 80 Plays 533 Yards | 85 Plays 567 Yards

- No more than 1 turnover

- 66% or better TDs in the red zone.

Special Teams & Other Considerations

Tony Logan is probably the only returner in the conference I'd consider taking over Greg Reid. FSU will need to be on its cover game against Logan. He's special.

On the other hand, Maryland's kick coverage team is not very good. Don't be surprised to see FSU have a decided advantage in field position on the day.

Prediction

FSU has more talent than Maryland. Both teams are banged up. Playing at home, with better depth, FSU should have the advantage over a Maryland squad playing without the element of surprise that the Terps sprung on Clemson with C.J. Brown.  Maryland 14, FSU 38

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Tomahawk Nation Nole-Holds-Barred Analysis of FSU Sports!

by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you're cleaning up...

I think you said Stoops defenses were usually outgunned against Arizona…may have meant Oregon.

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by CornNole on Oct 21, 2011 12:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good catch, thanks.

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.

by onebarrelrum on Oct 21, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

UMD is 2-4

unless Im missing something

by ONOLE05 on Oct 21, 2011 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

That’s right, they are


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the convergence of EJ's return and this relatively soft slate is going to be huge for our future.

Aside from reality, after reeling off a couple big wins, the APPEARANCE is going to be that EJ’s absence was entirely responsible for our slide… so I think we’re going to see a lot of positive press, which will lead to our coveted recruits shoring things up/back in the fold before long.

That is… if we take care of business on the field like we should.

by arrdub on Oct 21, 2011 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

EJ's absence was a major reason for our slide

But you are right that the media will grab hold as if it were the only reason.

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by BenDNole on Oct 21, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

We have 3 losses - we will be ignored by "the media."

With the exception of HD because she has to report on the ACC.

by FSUjab on Oct 21, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not true. Miami, Florida, and bowl games will get press.

And, for what it’s worth, we don’t really care about USA Today readers, we care about what the high school kids that are watching games think about us… and the broadcasters will be pimping us heavily if we’re on a 7 game win streak, coincident with EJ’s return.

by arrdub on Oct 21, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

10 wins would be huge!

A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2

by PalmAireNole on Oct 21, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

FL teams always get plenty of press in FL print media.

I was referring more to ESPN and Gameday talking heads. Clemson is their darling right now. A 7 game win streak may be too little, too late. We’ll be an afterthought.

by FSUjab on Oct 21, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clemson running the table is all part of the plan

To get Dabo signed on for a multi-year contract.

by FLAK8 on Oct 21, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we don't

win this game by a healthy margin it will be a pretty good sign that “winning out” will not happen. Matyland stinks right now-I can’t really find any way of getting around that. They are seriously banged up and have gone to the backup QB to boot. There will not be much talent for them on the field on Saturday. If we are really a good team that has just had some bad luck early with injuries then we win this game by 27-30 points.

by ONOLE05 on Oct 21, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

They went to the backup QB by choice, though, because O’brien didn’t fit what they wanted to do.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

The reason is irrelevant. The kid is making his 2nd start-good defenses exploit that.

by ONOLE05 on Oct 21, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I’ll be happy with any win over 2 TDs. Not like FSU isn’t running a bunch of backups out there.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Only injury

that really has a major effect on our end is Datko and Hart will be blocking an unknown RS FR at that. The other injuries have a neglibile effect-CT and Spurlock were not playing well at all when they were in there this year whether it was due to injury or not. You may even be upgrading at both positions considering both guys were playing injured this year.

by ONOLE05 on Oct 21, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you’re joking


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd agree with spurlock....

Not so much CT. FSU is worse off for sure without him.

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 21, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our starting Nose Guard is out for the year

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Oct 21, 2011 11:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Is there

any downgrade in going from Mcdaniel to Mccloud or Jerningan in a one game setting? Yea sure Mcdaniel may have been the starter on paper but in reality he only plays half the snaps anyways with as much depth as we have at DT. Not saying we are not banged up but no way should it be used as an excuse or crutch this week against a less talented Maryland team twice as banged up.

by ONOLE05 on Oct 21, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

In a word, yes

Now both McCloud and Jernigan have to play more snaps. Not to mention neither has Bern nearly as complete a player this year as McDaniel.

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by AMFKNole on Oct 21, 2011 12:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think we'll miss him in a game like this especially

He’s seen these offenses before, and I’d feel more comfortable w his experience in there. Eat space and disrupt…don’t go bananas back there.

Not that I am not excited to see Timmy Magic and Cam, but I think they are known quantities at this point.

I feel like I am taking his injury harder than most…I I know we’re deep at DT, but he is a good player who was under enough scrutiny to excel, due to his hype. Really really hate it for him.

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by CornNole on Oct 21, 2011 1:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think we'll miss him in a game like this especially

He’s seen these offenses before, and I’d feel more comfortable w his experience in there. Eat space and disrupt…don’t go bananas back there.

Not that I am not excited to see Timmy Magic and Cam, but I think they are known quantities at this point.

I feel like I am taking his injury harder than most…I I know we’re deep at DT, but he is a good player who was under enough scrutiny to excel, due to his hype. Really really hate it for him.

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by CornNole on Oct 21, 2011 1:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think we'll miss him in a game like this especially

He’s seen these offenses before, and I’d feel more comfortable w his experience in there. Eat space and disrupt…don’t go bananas back there.

Not that I am not excited to see Timmy Magic and Cam, but I think they are known quantities at this point.

I feel like I am taking his injury harder than most…I I know we’re deep at DT, but he is a good player who was under enough scrutiny to excel, due to his hype. Really really hate it for him.

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by CornNole on Oct 21, 2011 1:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The legendary triple post has appeared frequently lately

A Seminole warrior killed in battle is a legend remembered. A Gator lost in battle becomes a pair of boots and a belt.
twitter of random stuff and tons of confessing FSU love @caine115
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by caine115 on Oct 21, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, the trifecta!

You don’t see that every day :)

2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent

by SoCalNole on Oct 21, 2011 2:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry guys...

I use an android browser that is highly autonomous.

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by CornNole on Oct 21, 2011 3:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not as big a problem as smart alec pensacolites...

It’s a trade off…the Opera browser is so much faster than any of the others.

Besides, I’m brilliant. You should consider yourself lucky to get to read more of my musings.

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by CornNole on Oct 21, 2011 4:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Jaccobbi isn't a space eater....Amp McCloud is. McDaniel is the athlete.

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by DRusso97 on Oct 21, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Starting 3-tech DT, not NG, and only became the starter recently.....but valid nonetheless.

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by DRusso97 on Oct 21, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Big, big game for Stoops in regard to fanbase perception. If fans see another game filled w/ mental mistakes and undisciplined play, they WILL.start to question his competence…as well.as Jimbo’s for making such a ln unorthodox hire.

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by CornNole on Oct 21, 2011 1:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

On which play?
the D performance will be another good indicator of how good/bad Stoops is as a DC

I think if UMD gains more than four yards on the first snap of the 3rd quarter, Stoops is a bad DC,, If, however, they are held to negative yardage on that play, he is a potential Hall-of-Famer.

Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.

by fmnole on Oct 22, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bud, Do you think the young DL will be disciplined enough

to contain Brown?

And how much do you think fatigue for Brown affected his 2nd half performance against Clemson vs. the change to a zone defense?

Trust those who seek the truth; doubt those who find it. -Andre Gide

by Tastanagi Tutka Thlako on Oct 21, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think it was fatigue. Think Clemson stopped playing so dumb.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can I Add

“No defensive or ST penalties that convert a 3rd or 4th down for them” to the goals?

by Nolesos Locos on Oct 21, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

I approve.

Unless it’s an intentional PI to save a touchdown. I fully support those types of penalties.

by arrdub on Oct 21, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

If Greg is beat outright for a score, I will not be upset for tearing a jersey off.

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by CornNole on Oct 21, 2011 1:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hopefully not his own....

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by DRusso97 on Oct 21, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did not know we went to more of a man blocking scheme with the O-line this season.. Explains a lot

by Quentin C on Oct 21, 2011 11:06 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Better offense?

Would you argue that Duke overall had a much better and more cohesive offense than UMD? I just ask that because 5.3 ypp seems a bit high, and they don’t seem to have the kind of offense that can put up those kind of numbers.

Also, do you feel that the two turnovers are necessary to win, or is that just something you’d expect to see vs. an offense of this caliber? Maybe I’m over reading but you don’t sound very optimistic about back-to-back great defensive performances from FSU.

by FSUActuary on Oct 21, 2011 11:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I worry about the D being too aggressive after the 5-sack performance against Duke.

But you’re right, I’m changing it. The 5.3 doesn’t reflect how goo I feel.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

New # is 5 (aka holding MD to its worth offensive performance of the year)*

  • except Temple, where MD was totally not into the game.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, I'm just hoping that this Brown kid is

Completely one-dimensional at this point in his career. On the road, hostile environment, if we can limit their effectiveness on 1st and 2nd, Crowton will not want to risk losing the game with his new QB making mistakes unless he feels the momentum is completely on our side.

by FSUActuary on Oct 21, 2011 1:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Im confused....

“Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline Discipline.”

Im gonna go out on a huge limb here and say we need to be disciplined on defense in this game………

by WPNoleJ on Oct 21, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Completely disagree

What we really need instead is discipline on defense.

by 86Chief on Oct 21, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our Marklar needs more Marklar.

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by DRusso97 on Oct 21, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think we will

have trouble getting off blocks in this one. Something tells me MD will get stung for a lot of holding calls even though it is a smash mouth type contest.

I'm only 31

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by Old Buc on Oct 21, 2011 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I expect them to do a lot of holding. The question is will it get called.

by DRob24 on Oct 21, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hear ya

I’m stuck on a cub scout camping trip. Don’t even know if I’ll have cell service. I might just try to not hear about the game until I’m back.

by LouC on Oct 21, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unless the couple has a VERY good excuse, i.e. ill family member

Football season weddings are down right inconsiderate, especially in the south east.

by vickers8 on Oct 21, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I wish I had some real cheesey FSU tie to rock and send a message.

I don’t have to say anything, but they will know. They will know.

Everybody relax, I'm here.

by NOLEmercy3 on Oct 21, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of my wife's friends got married during the Georgia/Florida game.

NO ONE showed up. I almost felt sorry for her, I made it to the reception.

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by Nole Resurrected on Oct 21, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was at a wedding during the infamous Jacksonville St game....

I was getting updated on my phone and I had a pissed off look on my face the during the wedding. People were wondering what was wrong with me.

by WPNoleJ on Oct 21, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone in my family tried to schedule a procedure during Alabama-Auburn game (she wasn’t in from the state) while in Alabama. She was “encouraged” to move the procedure.

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by FSU on Oct 21, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Encouraged"...lol

Or else they would’ve brought a TV into the operating room….

by WPNoleJ on Oct 21, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I specifically told my wife that August – second week of January was off the table.

We were married on January 17th.

by NC Nole on Oct 21, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Swallow a bunch of blood capsules before

Relatively safe, but nobody will try to keep you at a wedding

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by CornNole on Oct 21, 2011 1:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I like Bud's work.

I enjoy the X and O talk he provides. If it bothers you that I’m here, maybe there’s a function on here like facebook where you could put me on hide?

Or you could just ignore me.

by PullingGuardGator on Oct 21, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Off topic, especially for this board but would you agree that

Michigan qb, with his speed in the big 10 is what Tebow was with his size. I, only now, feel bad for teblow for all the hype that follows that guy. I remember when he was at UF and the lemmings were crowning him the best qb ever, even though his numbers didn’t support that. Now, with Robinson dominating defenses in the same way, but a different manner, I was wondering if UF fans were more realistic about their #15. He was a great player but more so because of attributes and defenses played than actual mind blowing numbers. Especially after Cam Newtons one year where he beat all of his best numbers and went undefeated. Just asking.

by pb4957 on Oct 21, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't really agree.

I was never sold on Tebow as an NFL qb, but to diminish what he did in college is silly. He had an incredible three year career and some sick numbers. Not sure what you mean by “defenses played than actual mind blowing numbers”

his stats are here… http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/tim-tebow-1.html

The only thing Cam beat him on was rushing and Denard’s stats aren’t even close.

by PullingGuardGator on Oct 21, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean the worship is over?

Great player because he won one National Championship or he won the Heisman on a team that went 9-4 and lost to every team they played in the top 25. I still hear that he won two national championships for UF and that he holds national records, which just isn’t true. IMO Harvin was by far the better athlete and made that offense work as opposed to teblow. So I am guessing that No is the appropriate answer. I am betting tebow is better than Newton as well.

by pb4957 on Oct 21, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

In terms of the NFL....

Theres no way Denard Robinson is a 1st rounder. And with Cam the only question was how quickly he could adjust mentally to the NFL game coming from the Mahlzan offense. He had the physical tools and we mechanically pretty sound (save for some footwork issues).

The thing with Tebow is his mechanics are so bad that I just find it hard to believe that he is going to come in and be a savior with a 40% completion percentage when you need to be in mid to high 60s in the NFL.

by WPNoleJ on Oct 21, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't Cam Newton lead the NFL in interceptions?

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by pasadenanole22 on Oct 21, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tied with Grossman....

Grossman and Newton have 9
Brady, Vick and Brees have 8

Young QBs throwing picks isnt new though….Manning threw 28 his first year (not trying to say the Newton will be as good as Manning….)

by WPNoleJ on Oct 21, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crazy that Brady and Brees have 8.

Well maybe not too crazy since they both chuck it a ton. Still a little surprising.

At least 3 of Brady’s were tipped, if not 4. 1 of Brees’ was tipped last week against Tampa, that I saw.

Great point about Manning, I always bring that up in regards to young QBs (and also include your following caveat).

by BostonNole on Oct 21, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Manning could be statistical outlier

Would like to see a list of all the int leaders…even that would not be good statistical info.

The NFL is a much different game now than 3 years ago with the rule changes. It should make things easier for the QB, or should I say, the experienced QB.

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by pasadenanole22 on Oct 21, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

I mean what guys come right in and set the world ablaze?

I’m talking 1st year in the NFL and a starter.

by BostonNole on Oct 21, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marino, that’s pretty much it right?

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by FSU on Oct 21, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would like to see some comparison metrics to

Dalton and Gabbard. I think Newton is better than those two, but would like metrics to back that up, not just passing yards.

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by pasadenanole22 on Oct 21, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

NM. Too small of a sample size.

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by pasadenanole22 on Oct 21, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Before the draft that year I watched one of those draft shows and they went on and on about Tebows mechanics and how they would get him picked off like crazy. It compared the timing on his release from the start of his throwing motion til he actually threw it. Comparisons were to Brees, Romo, and Manning but the most interesting stat was Tebows throwing motion would have (at the time) been the slowest out of all 32 NFL teams starting QBs.

by jenolesone on Oct 21, 2011 8:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

not

To mention, probably half that Gator team is in the NFL.

by NoleySmokes on Oct 21, 2011 7:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

3 year career?

He was pretty instrumental in 06, as well…Urban used him often, and he was effective as hell.

Silly mud lizard.

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by CornNole on Oct 21, 2011 1:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I always laugh at that 06the reference. He was as instrumental as any other bit player. In 1993 C Ward missed some time but here at FSU we don’t attribute a Nat Championship to bit players. So, essentially, he is still the best player ever no matter what. Got it.

by pb4957 on Oct 21, 2011 1:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He was a glorified RB in 2006 running the wildcat.

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by PalmAireNole on Oct 21, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don't win at tennessee in 06 without him.

And probably don’t beat South Carolina at home without him, either.

by PullingGuardGator on Oct 21, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blocked extra point and Field Goal was HUGE in that USCe game.

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by pasadenanole22 on Oct 21, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

if the Noles lose one more.

EJ could win the heisman….right? Just silly outside the great white hope from gville. McFadden and McCoy got hosed IMO.

by pb4957 on Oct 21, 2011 2:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Amusing.

A player can’t be GOAT if another player bests his top season the year after he graduates.

Anyone that contests this just needs to go here (Tebow, 2007) and here (Newton, 2010) to compare.

Newton had more total yards, better yards per attempt rushing (waaaay better) and passing, and a better overall passing rating. Only thing Tebow had was more total TDs (55 vs. 50), because UF basically had no other short yardage options on the team.

by arrdub on Oct 21, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention the whole "undefeated MNC" vs. "4-loss season" issue.

Cam probably did it with less talent around him, to boot.

Oh, and for the record, I dislike them both. Probably dislike Cam more, in fact.

by arrdub on Oct 21, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

If EJ throws for 3,300 yards and has a 32/6 TD/INT

And rushes for 800 and another 20+ tds…sure, give it to him.

by PullingGuardGator on Oct 21, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't even begrudge the Heisman going his way in 2007.

There’s the whole success of the team vs. success of the player thing going on, I understand, but I think Tebow had the best season.

The GOAT talk is where I go crazy. Aside from numbes/Cam Newton, Ward and Wuerfell (sic) were every bit as important to their teams and successful in their respective eras. The running spread offense is just changing up the statistical dynamics.

by arrdub on Oct 21, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please tell the old guy what GOAT means or stands for.

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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Oct 21, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not sure if serious

But in case you are, it means ‘greatest of all time’

Formerly known as 'stilts'

by BenDNole on Oct 21, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I was serious, and thank you.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Oct 22, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a reference to Harlem playground legend Earl Manigault...

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by DRusso97 on Oct 21, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool. I just read his bio on Wiki.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Oct 22, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

McCoy?

He wasn’t even invited to NY in 2007…maybe you’re thinking of Chase Daniel or Colt Brennan?

by PullingGuardGator on Oct 21, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

In 08 I though McCoy got robbed because tx didn't run up scores like OU. He was the best player.

IMO McFadden was robbed as well. While Teblow had some good numbers McFadden had them as well on a team without any talent. They beat LSU (Champs) and he was the only reason. Tebow on the other hand lost to any team with a pulse but scored a lot against Kentucky…etc. McFadden was throwing td’s, playing in the wildcat, and was the featured back and they actually beat good teams.

The Goat is the opposite of the Hero here young boys, but you knew that.

by pb4957 on Oct 21, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem

I have thick skin. I’ll be here all year. :)

by PullingGuardGator on Oct 21, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

They call it big-boned.

We don’t want any feelings getting hurt ;)

2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent

by SoCalNole on Oct 21, 2011 2:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

JORTS

Just curious, is it proper to wear jorts to church on Sunday morning?

RWHUGHESJR

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Leonard: What are Gators?
Henry Desalvo: Football. College.
Confused Sports Radio Call In: I'm a Gators fan.
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by RWHUGHESJR on Oct 21, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fixed it for you...
God, do I miss Tebow and Harvin running that speed option a train on Urban Meyer.

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by DRusso97 on Oct 21, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Home field advantage should be big for FSU's defense too

QBs always play better in the safety of their own backyard. We’ll see how well Brown performs when he can’t communicate with his teammates effectively. Granted I’m not expecting a huge crowd coming off a Duke win and 3 losses prior to that but it certainly wont be quiet like it was vs Clemson.

by vickers8 on Oct 21, 2011 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

That is just insane. I read that three times

by Bagzfsu7 on Oct 21, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's insane. I had 13 in an All Star game, and that was BY FAR the most I ever had...

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by DRusso97 on Oct 21, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not too worried about the D line

If memory serves me, 3 of the 5 sacks came from LB’s in the Duke game…T Smith, N Bradham and V Williams (blitzing like crazy). Werner showed good disipline by the fact he batted down more balls than Kareem Abdul Jabbar did during an entire season. The German seemed more content in keeping things in front of him than in going for the tackle for the loss. But most importantly, I have a feeling Stoops has been preaching the message of “disipline” all week.
I expect to see some serious yelling and quick pulls of any D lineman if they get reckless…“the wrath of Stoops”.

by law74 on Oct 21, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Good point about LB blitzes

as opposed to speed rush DE sacks.

I enjoyed the Kareem Abdul Jabbar reference, however not everyone was enamored of his defensive play. UCLA RB Kareem Abdul Jabar (IIRC he spelled it with one “B” ) was drafted by the Dolphins and did a pretty good job. He was sued by the basketball Jabbar for infringement because of the name similarity. After the lawsuit was filed, the Dolphins running back was quoted in the Sun-Sentinel as saying “The only thing that Kareem Abdul Jabbar and I have is that niether of us plays defense.”

by Nole75 on Oct 21, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

how bout

More swats than Dikembe Mutumbo?

by NoleySmokes on Oct 21, 2011 8:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yes 1 "b"

but it was Karim

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by RishiM on Oct 22, 2011 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Regarding rushing the QB in this situation

You mentioned bull rushing as a rush type against UMd but shouldn’t the rushers have a second move to go to? I’m assuming a rip or slap move would be acceptable as the DE is still on his same path to the QB and doesn’t take his eyes off him. Wouldn’t just bull rushing the whole day allow the UMd linemen to block better since they won’t be worried about reaching outside?

I’ll be watching Jenkins to see how well he survivies without his spin move or if he’s punished for using it (by either UMd or FSU’s coaching staff).

by evenflow58 on Oct 21, 2011 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Excellent job as usual Bud

Packed with information, and easy to read.

Florida State
NOW
3-3
1-2 ACC

by SeminoleMike on Oct 21, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I did catch a little of the Duke and Stanford game on tv.

We did pretty well against Duke. Stanford was nowhere near as dominate as we were until later in that game. The fact that we took a knee on the last td and gave up two onsides kicks that game could easily have been 48-3 at the end.

I do think going away from zone blocking on the OL was the smartest thing we have done this season. Tricket has exactly what he needs now in big (300lb) lineman who are already athletic. I like more man blocking as you can work on the individual mistakes much easier.

by pb4957 on Oct 21, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I think our next smart move would be Moody over Parks.

I know I will hear it for this one but Moody in the box for run support is much better than Parks. Joyner for pass coverage and Moody for runs is a much better match IMO. He is, after all, an OLB moved to safety. Parks has looked horrible in both pass and run and his angles have been so bad that slow white kids are beating him to the point of attack.

by pb4957 on Oct 21, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

....Annnnnnnnd Moody is even WORSE in those situations.

Let Moody get a few more snaps, bang a few more soccer players, and GTFO without giving up any more crucial big plays.

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by DRusso97 on Oct 21, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think Stanford is a bit, overrated.

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by CornNole on Oct 21, 2011 1:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed…Whole heartedly.

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by FSU on Oct 21, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Offense very good

Defense… wake me when they stop someone with a pulse.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Oct 21, 2011 3:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Huh??? Did you read this at all?

Last week FSU went back to more of its zone-based running attack and scrapped much of the man stuff they tried to put in over the off-season. I’ll have an article on this next week, but you should expect more of this as FSU is comfortable running out of these looks, and they’ve dominated the ACC on the ground the last two seasons with these zone looks. The return of E.J. Manuel makes this all the more effective.

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by YouNoleIt on Oct 21, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

And most of our success was off of stretch plays. Even those require a little zone type read but are essentially man blocking schemes.

by pb4957 on Oct 21, 2011 2:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

IMO...

Stretch plays are the perfect example of a zone blocking play… everyone blocks an area either to the left of the right and the RB has to make his read to go either outside (optimal) or make the 1 cut upfield and hit the seam.

Either way we have definitely not gone to a more man oriented run blocking scheme as far as I can tell. I think what we showed last week was slightly better execution of our traditional zone blocking against a inferrior run defense. Again IMHO.

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by YouNoleIt on Oct 21, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

The stretch is the easiest run play in the world to block.

Simplified, “no matter where your man goes…..he is wrong—and take him that way.”

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by DRusso97 on Oct 21, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great preview as always Bud.

I’m gonna go 31-20 us. I think Maryland will get their points early, then Stoops and co will adjust to their new look offense.

by fsunole23 on Oct 21, 2011 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Who are the best DEs to execute the DE gameplan?

Any chance Werner & Carradine on the field at the same time?

Championship!

by TLHWG on Oct 21, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Ive liked what Ive been seeing in Carradine

Over the last couple of weeks hes played pretty solid it seems.

by WPNoleJ on Oct 21, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMO vs. Maryland we may want to go with whichever DEs have shown they can be most disciplined

given that athleticism is a wash. p.s. I’m only talking about the DE opposite Werner—I want Werner in regardless.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Oct 21, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good Article...

My Final Score prediction: 44-17

by zone3nole on Oct 21, 2011 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

That's what I was thinking only 45 - 17.

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by pasadenanole22 on Oct 21, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

only 17?

and so scored 45 points against Clemson. I’m thinking mid-20s.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Oct 21, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

5.6/play, at home. Clemson set them up.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly... Clemson's "D" is pathetic...

With a healthy EJ Manuel, we would’ve been a 1-loss team and maybe even an undefeated team, no matter the O-line issues or the defensive lapse issues… EJ is definitely the MVP of this team and we play on a whole different level when he’s on the field… FSU is back at home too… I’m picking this game to be over by half-time…

by zone3nole on Oct 21, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, I know... but still

a (roughly) 30 point swing would be drastic. They’re averaging 26.2 ppg (excludes Townson).

Championship!

by TLHWG on Oct 21, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they score 27 I’ll be disappointed with the defense. Unless, of course, the offense gives them the points like happened against Wake.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

spread offenses like MD's force us to succeed using discipline,

which isn’t our strength as a D—our strength is simply overwhelming O’s with our size & talent. I think MD’s O will be a good test for our O and will show us whether we can play disciplined.

Overall I hope our team plays disciplined more generally—limiting TOs & penalties—and most of all takes MD seriously, which IMO partially explains our loss vs. Wake.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Oct 21, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think the D has been wildly undisciplined this year, do you?


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pick 6 and muffed punt helped.

Also think Jimbo will try to limit # on plays by running more w/ option.

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by pasadenanole22 on Oct 21, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

limit # OF plays FOR MARYLAND

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by pasadenanole22 on Oct 21, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

But NOT by allowing a pick-6 and a muffed punt haha


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good lord.....

WTF was Boyd looking at on that pick-6.

Chism is standing in one place looking at him!

by WPNoleJ on Oct 21, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was pretty silly


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is worse...

Hitting a DB in the numbers as he is staring you down? Or flipping up a ball to a DE?

by fsugrizz on Oct 22, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking about the same.

For the record I was very concerned about wake so that’s not a homer pick. I just think we match up vary favorably.

class of 99

by xWd40x on Oct 22, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I concur.

Not tho' the soldier knew, Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do & die, Into the valley of Death Rode the 85.

by Shooter McFrattin on Oct 21, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That really should not matter to you. All that should really matter is the final numbers on the scoreboard.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Oct 21, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course

YPP and advanced metrics mean nothing if the scoreboard shows the other team having more points.

by jmnpb996 on Oct 22, 2011 12:16 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Any idea why they tried

to install more man blocking over the offseason?

by colpo1 on Oct 21, 2011 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

zone works best.

With experienced players. Coaches knew we had little of that this year so man would be better to concentrate on and mix in zone read. It also shows in pass blocking where we look pretty good most days.

by pb4957 on Oct 21, 2011 2:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You do realize they went almost entirely to zone v. Duke…


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thought you told Felder we did some man press

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Oct 21, 2011 3:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Talking offense here


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Went with 34-16 in the Testudo Times Q&A

Man, we’re on a roll with these right now.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Oct 21, 2011 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

That's the same score I picked (as the tiebreaker on the Fun Office Pools) pick'em

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"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher

by RishiM on Oct 22, 2011 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of bets

The spread is now 18 and the money line has gone from 900 to 1100.
A lot of people think it’s going to be whip ass time.
I think FSU covers and wins by 38-17.

by law74 on Oct 21, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

The S&P+ has us rated as #15 and CU as #40, so they may not be as good as they think and we may be better than we think.

by TuckNole on Oct 21, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, really have to use both at this point.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 21, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont' trust the FEI yet.

Not enough drives to make it as significant.

Do you think Alabama’s defense is the 21st best in the country?

by TuckNole on Oct 21, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

but its b/c they are also 1st through 20th as well. Their D is THAT good.

by BostonNole on Oct 22, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

good read

Glad I don’t have to go to a wedding tomorrow. Its a good football weekend. Agree that this game will be a good measure of where this team is headed from here on out. Back to back solid, diciplined performance. Looking forward to the CP7 show on SUN too. 38-13 noles. CJF takes a knee in the red zone again as time expires.

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by renegade nole on Oct 21, 2011 3:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Classiest move ever

Made me proud to be a Nole, Now if we could just be in that situation against UF this year …

by Tallinasty_Nole on Oct 21, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's no such thing

as running up the score in a rivalry game.

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
-H.L. Mencken

by devnole on Oct 21, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Absolutely Agree

But I think it would be even sweeter to kneel in the red zone up by 2 scores …

by Tallinasty_Nole on Oct 21, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

They took a couple of knees against us a couple of years ago.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Oct 21, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Questions is

Were we still in the BCS hunt would he have made the same call?

Roses are red, Violets are blue, If it wears orange, Kill it.

by seminoleit on Oct 21, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm more from the school of "take a knee in Florida's End Zone" school of thought then kneeling on the 3....

…But that’s just me.

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by DRusso97 on Oct 21, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought you were from the

“take a dump in Florida’s End Zone” school of thought?

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-H.L. Mencken

by devnole on Oct 21, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right in the Gator's open mouth....

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by DRusso97 on Oct 22, 2011 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see us giving up more than 14

I worry any time I see this team asked to play disciplined. Plus, given the choice between a young (but talented) QB making beginner’s mistakes or playing out of his mind, it seems FSU is always the game where he plays out of his mind.

We’ve got no excuse if we don’t out score them though.

by 38Noles on Oct 21, 2011 5:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Given this

Werner and Jenkins play sound fundamentally, DTs do a decent job, who takes the blame if our less intelligent LBs make too many mistakes causing big runs? Coaches or the players? Will there be a short leash on #11&13? Won’t they start this game like the others?

by FireRicobert on Oct 21, 2011 5:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

maybe 11 is a better choice b/c he can play slow and use leverage rather than running out of a play, likewise with 13

by matticoti on Oct 21, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any concern about our DT depth

with us only having 5 DTs now (rather than the 8 we started with)?

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"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher

by RishiM on Oct 22, 2011 2:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Not yet


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