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TALLAHASSEE FL - NOVEMBER 27, 2010 (I'm having an awesome time, can't you tell?) (Photo by Mike Ehrmann/Getty Images)

Generally, I consider myself to be a reasonably considerate individual. While I don't often take public transportation, when I do, I offer my seat to women, children, and the elderly. If I have to sneeze indoors, I do so into the crook of my elbow to help avoid spreading germs through handshakes. When I invite people into my home, I offer them a drink, let them sit in my favorite chair, and generally worry about their own comfort level before I think about my own. I even volunteer in the community and donate money to various charitable causes.But when it comes to conduct at sporting events, "society" and I cannot seem to get on the same page.

Rather than belabor my experience at Doak on Saturday, which I suspect was not uncommon amongst my vertical brethren, I decided to compile a Stander's Manifesto of sorts; a guide to assist those who might be unfamiliar with what to expect when encountering someone who is standing, cheering, stomping their feet and clapping their hands. While I don't expect to win the hearts and minds of those tethered to the cold, hard bleachers, perhaps those folks who read this will come away with a bit more appreciation for perspective of a seemingly recalcitrant Stander.

Point 1: Your Legs Are Not Broken

Unless you have some sort of medical condition that prevents you from alternatively standing and sitting for intervals of no more than 10-15 minutes (self-induced obesity doesn't count, but age might), you should probably expect that, if asked, I will politely decline to sit down while the Home Team is on Defense. Shocking, I know, but don't worry, you have plenty of other options. For starters, you could join me in standing. If that doesn't interest you, perhaps you might consider decamping to one of the many available empty seats within spitting distance of your current location. Also, if you are unhappy with your line of sight, don't forget the massive jumbotron (located above the student section). I use it on a regular basis, especially when my line of sight is impeded or sub-optimal.

Point 2: You May Be Trespassing

If you are someone who is sitting behind me (for the first and hopefully only time), who acquired his tickets in an unknown series of transactions for what I can fairly presume was less than face value, please be advised that the people who normally occupy your seats are also Standers. I know this, because we have seen each other, and high-fived or consoled each other, at nearly every game for the past six years. That's right, you have wandered your way behind enemy lines and into a bunch of season ticket holders.

Perhaps you should have sprung for more expensive tickets, rather than sitting directly adjacent to the student section, where a younger, slightly more energetic crowd tends to reside. If stadium seats are like real estate, it was probably unwise to speculatively invest in a location without any sort of homeowner's association or zoning restrictions. To carry that analogy a bit further, you might want to consider that some people, myself included, may be sitting in cheaper seats than they would prefer, in an attempt to compromise with the Priority 1 Wimbledon crowd. Anyway, welcome to my neighborhood.

Point 3: Sitting is a Catch 22

My wife has a set of pipes on her. When she stands and yells, which she does for nearly every defensive play, those in her cone of sound probably feel like they are topside on the Steve Irwin, being bombarded with noise from a Japanese-deployed LRAD. At one point, I could distinctly hear two noises in the stadium, my wife, and what I believe was a vuvuzela. The vuvuzela was louder, but only marginally so. If my wife were to yell and not stand, she would, without exaggeration, cause the people in front of us to go temporarily (and possibly permanently) deaf.

Continue reading the Manifesto after the Jump:

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Point 4: Toyko Rose is in our Midst

Sitters who actively seek to curtail Standers ("Proud Sitters") are anathema. The collective effect of the Proud Standers efforts, should they to succeed, would be an erosion of home field advantage. Save the occasional big game, the fact of the matter is that Doak is nothing special when it comes to crowd noise, even without the active (and passive aggressive) attempts at sabotage. While Proud Sitters may view Standers as inconsiderate, Standers view your ilk as treasonous, half a step removed from actively supporting the away team.

At best, Proud Sitters appear selfish. Assuming they are marginally aware that one crowd induced procedure penalty or timeout has the potential to alter a drive or even the outcome of the game, they instead focus their efforts, energy and attention on making the stadium a kinder, gentler place to play for the opposing team. Unless you do not believe in home field advantage or crowd noise, there is really no debating this point. Coaches certainly believe it, otherwise teams would not bother to practice with the speakers on. And the odds-makers in Vegas believe it as well. Moving on.

Point 5: Breaking Bad

It is harder to get loud while sitting down. It's Science. I can't stomp my feet as loud, nor can I project my sound as well while seated.

Point 6: I Know You Can Do It

For whatever reason those of you who prefer to sit also seem to enjoy standing at unusual times. For example, you have no problem standing during timeouts. Perhaps this is because the bleachers are actually quite uncomfortable and are not designed to be sat on for extended periods of time. Even more curious, most chronic Sitters readily spring into action during the wave. For a stander like me, it is impossible to understand why you cannot simply take your standing "breaks" during the time when it is appropriate and helpful to stand.

Point 7: Don't Ask Me What the Score Is

As a corollary to point six, Sitters seem to have no problem missing crucial stretches of the game in order to get something to eat. I recognize that sitting for an extended period of time tends to be exhausting. If you would rather skip a crucial possession or possessions in order to re-carb without the ten minute halftime line, you shouldn't be that surprised at my lack of sympathy for your position.

Point 8: Are you Familiar With Henry Clay?

Committed sitters aren't simply interested in seeing the game. If they were, they would just stand when the person in front of them stands. Instead, they want it all; they want to sit and see the game. If a sitter was really interested in seeing the game more than they were interested in standing, the considerate thing to do would be to compromise and stand. Otherwise, the Sitter gets two things they want (sitting and seeing the game) and the Stander (who sees the game either way but wants to cheer as loudly as possible) gets nothing. Seems kind of selfish to me. In actuality, many standers would prefer to stand the entire time. Standing only while on defense while sitting on offense is actually a unilateral compromise, wherein Standers have given up 50% percent of their territory in exchange for absolutely nothing. How many more one-sided concessions can the Standers make?

Point 9: Paternalism, It's Good for You, That's Why We Call It Paternalism

While I'm a live and let live kind of a guy, standing is good for your health. I may not know you, but I don't want to see you die either. Standing strengths the leg muscles, prevents blood clots, strengthens the abdominals, is good for your back, tones your butt, and is positively correlated with reduced risk of heart disease and obesity. Sitting burns less calories than chewing a stick of gum. You are welcome.

Point 10: What is a Manifesto Without a Whimsical Solution?

If I were Athletic Director/Booster President for a day, the first thing I'd do would be to implement a standing preferred section. It makes sense for a number of reasons. The day that Doak actually institutes some type of anti-standing policy will be the day that I give up my season tickets and discontinue my booster contribution. I'll simply watch from home, as there will be no point in physically attending.

Point 11: Okay, How About a Band-Aid?

Until the Revolution occurs (which will in the age of media not only be televised, but also will be blogged, tweeted, facebooked, foursquared, and woofed) to show that Standers like myself are not unreasonable, and to reward those Proud Sitters for having the courage to examine the morally bankrupt nature of their position and the unjustified importance they tend to place upon their own personal comfort level, I am willing to offer a compromise. If asked, I will attempt to restrict my standing to the following defensive situations, provided that no one is standing in front of me:

a) non-standard, non-garbage time 1st and 2nd downs.

b) third downs.

c) fourth downs.

In exchange, I require nothing personally. You don't even need to know the difference between non-standard and standard downs, or when a game is in garbage time for this Great Compromise to apply.

However, I'm sure that the team would appreciate it if you would forget about the nachos for a few minutes and urge on the Defense with the same intensity you show when willing plucky Bobblehead Number 1 to victory. If you can do that, I can be somewhat accommodating to your personal needs. After all, I'm a generally considerate guy. Absent that, it is business as usual for this Stander.

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Or tell them you have a real bad case of gas and they may want to also stand.

Well done fsu 44.

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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Oct 24, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

We must be related.

My wife sounds like yours and we’re both 61. We do stand a lot and really like to yell. The beauty of it is that my wife sits behind me, so when I stand up, I don’t worry some slug will be upset.

by MRMAGOO on Oct 24, 2011 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Heck yea!

There are about 12 of us in section 12 row 60 that share your feelings and support your revolution! The one thing keeping me/us from moving to the shade (older alumni) is the fact that they don’t stand and not wanting little kids to see our empties.

Spot

by FSUSpot on Oct 24, 2011 6:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Well done! You Sir are a gentlmen and a scholar

Well written, funny, and full of truth.
Reckity Rec Rec

As for your “standing section” I love the idea. Id imagine itd be something like a student section for non-students, everyone standing and singing/chanting etc

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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 24, 2011 6:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Also, I hafta ask the background story on this

has this been happening to you a lot? was this past weekend the last straw?

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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 24, 2011 6:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

First time for me

Usually most of our section stands including the people behind me. Someone else was in their seats. Actually I don’t even know if they were in their proper seats, or if they moved down because they were empty.

The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.

by fsu44 on Oct 24, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow excellent

The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.

by fsu44 on Oct 25, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't even sit when I'm at home on the couch. I literally stand on the couch.

And my girlfriend says I’m crazy because I throw things at the television. #whodathunkit

by FSUjab on Oct 24, 2011 6:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Bravo, bravo

I have the same problem, most recently at a Bucs game. My friend has tickets around the 50 and couldn’t use them. She offered them to me and my wife. I was getting the stinkeye from some crusties cause I was standing and cheering when the D was on the field.

by NoleySmokes on Oct 24, 2011 7:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

My wife thinks it’s hilarious that I spend games standing in front of my recliner.

by nole country for old men on Oct 24, 2011 9:41 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I stood in the living room for the entire Miami game last year (well, I sat down when CT iced it). I’m an absolute wreck when I watch a game alone on TV.

by 38Noles on Oct 25, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

this is why

I’d rather be at a game than listening or watching at home!

by PCBNole on Oct 25, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec’d so hard. Fantastic, 44.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Oct 24, 2011 7:01 PM EDT reply actions  

TSG

You tell em I'm coming, and Hell's comin with me!!!!

by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Oct 25, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

If you want to sit, stay home. Or become a Tarheel fan and come watch games here in Chapel Hill with the wine and cheese crowd.

by patriotnole on Oct 24, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahaha

DIAFC….thought I was the only one that said that….

by PCBNole on Oct 24, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

die in a fiery car crash

diafcc is the correct acronym

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by RishiM on Oct 25, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

This

Is why I don’t want to graduate and leave the student section.

by chrisnole on Oct 24, 2011 7:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Is this the slogan of our student section? Because when they panned over there in the late 3rd quarter the other day, I'd have sworn it could also be:

“You’re not allowed to be here at the start of the 4th quarter” I always get aggravated when I see that. They really can’t wait another hour to go get drunk? Sneak the booze in, for heaven’s sake.

by lawdy15 on Oct 24, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing.

It’s like a competition who can spend the least amount of time at the game. Show up an hour late and leave in the third quarter?

by CopeyNole on Oct 25, 2011 8:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

“I stand for 2 quarters bitches”

by jasonole59 on Oct 25, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Horrible attendance by the students.

 Although it’s amazing that they were still the loudest part of the stadium during the game.

by TylerNole on Oct 25, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

In defense of the student section

The reason for the students leaving early is due to the fact that they all live nearby the stadium, many of them within walking distance. Plus the tickets are free. The season ticket holder alumni traveled a good distance and had to pay for tickets so they are more likely to stay the entire game. It’s as simple as that. I dont agree with it, because I’m a student and always stay the entire game but I’m just telling you the truth.

It’s funny though because even when only half the section is filled, the student section is still louder than the other 60k fans combined. That’s embarrassing and is a correlation to people complaining about those who stand.

by chrisnole on Oct 25, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear ya'

I miss the days of the student section.

by PSLNOLE on Oct 24, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never leave the student section

 Even if you graduate, find a way to get there. I sat over in in the endzone on Maryland’s sideline next to the turtle crowd. I was the only one making any sort of noise and most people looked at me like I was crazy.

by TylerNole on Oct 25, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Respecting others is for baseball games.

I kid, but there is no reason for someone to get annoyed with another fan for supporting the team vigorously, regardless of the customs of that particular section.

by amandell3000 on Oct 24, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember one douceh yelled at me to "stfu"

When I used an airhorn during a defensive stop.

"Nick Cage..."

by RoyalOaksNole on Oct 25, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

tried to rec...did I just flag this? sorry!

That would be awesome
“WE REALLY MEAN STAND UP AND MAKE SOME NOISE” isn’t just a sign on the electronic boards at Doak!

by PCBNole on Oct 24, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Out of the 6+ hours from start to finish for a marching chiefs gameday, I sit for about 15 minutes.

My chair is where I put all my crap so I can reach it. If a bunch of unathletic band players can do it so can you. Great post!

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by MCATDT on Oct 24, 2011 7:47 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I was one of a few in sec 34 row 36 standin up

Felt awkward at first, then got mad about feeling awkward. Then proceeded to stand whenever the hell I wanted. Tip o’ the cap to you, sir. Rec’d

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by Rock_and_Nole on Oct 24, 2011 7:55 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I was the loud obnoxious one in sec 34 row 33 apparently as informed by my gf who overheard people talking about me. This was due to me berating the officials for those 2 horrible calls in a row. Guess sec 34 is the “wine and cheese” designated area of Doak.

by zewhitedevil on Oct 25, 2011 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Were you the guy making fun of #22?

Right before he got burned for a TD? If so keep it up. That was the funniest thing I’ve ever seen at a game.

by FSUKook on Oct 25, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you think it was funny then please explain my comedy to those stiffs in my section. I even refrained from cursing (most of the time) and they still looked at me like I was was Andrew Dice Clay. Hell, some lady passed out before the game and cracked head behind us and I went over to help and that still didnt sway them in my favor. I hate prudes….get off your high horse and relax….its football.

by zewhitedevil on Oct 25, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So that was you?

I owe you a beer dude. Good stuff. Keep it up. I was sitting down and to your right. I didn’t hear any cursing so your good there.

by FSUKook on Oct 25, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meant to rec

might have flagged. If so I apologize.

by BobLoblaw113 on Oct 26, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

ROFL
what I believe was a vuvuzela

There was absolutely one in Section 9, top 1/3 of the stands!! Now my wife wants to bring one to each game.

by Bokata on Oct 24, 2011 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

section 36/37 down low

I agree about leaving early. Except that we used to only leave early when we brought the kids…then it was to what was hopefully a mostly “garbage time” game…

Now, they know. If you go to a game, even the cupcake games, we are staying the entire time and they have come to enjoy running to the front at the end of the game and talking to players.

They even got to talk to the ESPN show folks at the Oklahoma game.

by PCBNole on Oct 24, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It also kills me that people talk abotu how they can't wait for football season to start

and then they leave before the game is over! You wanted football… and here it is. Watch it!

There is a very finite amount of FSU football each year. I am going to make sure I see it all. I usually even watch the game again on TV after I see it live.

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by BossNole on Oct 25, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

and then

watch the highlights on espn lol…

my gf always asks, didn’t you jsut watch the game and then watch the game and now the highlights?

Yes but…

by Noles 2012 on Oct 25, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was a Hall of Fame performance.

Rec’d.

Formerly known as Florida State Jay.

by Jamil Dawson on Oct 25, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

You finished the drill

Well done.

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by Kazoonole on Oct 25, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great post!

Someone should keep the stats on how often an FSU defensive back raises his hands thoughout the game to rile up the crowd.

by FSUSVT on Oct 24, 2011 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

At times, I hate that though

Like at Wake Forest a couple of weeks ago. Things were going to crap on the field, and some special teamers were exhorting the crowd to stand prior to RECEIVING a kickoff after (another) Wake score. Let’s make a pact…don’t embarrass me, especially on the road, and you won’t have to worry about waving your arms to get me to stand. Time and place guys. Otherwise, I’m good with standing, sitting or whatever.

by Dauntless12 on Oct 24, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jernigan was doing this most of the Maryland game.

by zewhitedevil on Oct 25, 2011 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

And then

how often it gets misinterpreted for a fair catch signal

Someone should keep the stats on how often an FSU defensive back raises his hands thoughout the game to rile up the crowd

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by Nolegrad89 on Oct 25, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I included age as a factor

It would be reasonable to assume that certain accommodations can be made. I’m sure your kids cheering and are interested in the game. If they are drinking a juice box and playing with an itouch I might not feel the same way.

The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.

by fsu44 on Oct 24, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

My kids can always find a way to see around or over the people in front of us.

They are learning that standing is part of the drill. And if they can’t see through the person in front of them, there is the jumbo tron.

What kills me is when people behind us tell me to tell my kids to sit down. My reply is “no, I won’t”.

by PCBNole on Oct 24, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

they could sit on your shoulders thus requiring the two rows behind you to stand!

Thats what i do at hockey games – and i’m hated for it, but i love it

by Noles 2012 on Oct 25, 2011 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

My two sonse first FSU game was at Duke in 1993

They were like 10 and 8. Warrick Dunn broke about a 50 yard run down the near sideline. I lifted one in each arm above the heads of the Seminoles fans in front of us so they could see the touchdown.

Remember 1993? FSU went on to win a national title that year, so it is a special moment in my family to this day.

My oldest son and I made a trip back to Duke two weeks ago. I’m glad that age 28 he is tall enough to see over the heads of the other fans. Otherwise he’d have been on his own for some of those long passes of E.J. Manuel.

by Dauntless12 on Oct 24, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

that made me misty-eyed..

what a great family moment! I do the same with my littlest now. The older two are on their own!

by PCBNole on Oct 24, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

made me laugh

gets you a rec

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by RishiM on Oct 25, 2011 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the comedy thing doesn't end up sustaining you

You might consider a DRusso daycare. I’d send my kid there (if I had one).

Standing Tall.

by fsu44 on Oct 25, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Said daycare would produce nothing but the most BAD ASS kids....

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by DRusso97 on Oct 25, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just so there isn't a misunderstanding

I love my wife, and her “pipes”.

The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.

by fsu44 on Oct 24, 2011 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Is the feeling mutual?

I mean is……TWSS?

Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 24, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ummm, I think/hope so

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by fsu44 on Oct 24, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd, dude. Very nice.

Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 24, 2011 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

My first year out of the student section sucks, except for OU…I got the young alumni seats (reserved for graduates from 2008 and later) to prevent having to deal with all the damn fuddy duddies that have a pulse weaker than the Canes program. I thought that everyone in the section would be around the age of 24 and would treat this new section like a student section. Wishful thinking? Someone asked us to sit down politely and then made his wishes known (this was pretty respectful so no complaint about the complaint). I asked him if he wanted our groups seats and we would take his. He replied no, and that is when I stopped caring about the feelings of people over the age of 40 in a section specificly meant for 25 year olds. I really hope that FSU gets smart and puts a “Sit At Your Own Risk Section” near the student section so people that care for their team can cheer without the stares and snarky comments of other “nole fans”. This is not a slight against the older crowd, but I tried my best to be mindful of others because I didn’t stand on the bleachers which broke my drunkin’ little heart.

by lovemynoles09 on Oct 24, 2011 9:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I enjoy a few before the game...but I can drink, and stand, and cheer...

It’s a talent that going to FSU back in the 80’s and early 90’s taught me…

Besides, I have to drink before the game so I can be sober by the time it comes to driving home….

by PCBNole on Oct 24, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe you're an exception

But I think it’s a little like playing the guitar. You don’t really play better after smoking weed, you just don’t remember later how bad you sounded.

But, if you can perform up to the required super fan level, drink up. No delusions though.

by Dauntless12 on Oct 24, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

hahahahaha!

Yeah, you have a point….

by PCBNole on Oct 24, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair point

But I’ll take a section full of drunk, but personally ill take a section full of exuberant fsu fans over a section full of sitters. Another good policy argument in favor of standing preferred, IMO.

The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.

by fsu44 on Oct 24, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

If a fan is impaired, the exuberance is often misplaced or ineffective.

What do you want to bet that the fans who attempt to start the wave…usually while FSU is on OFFENSE…are drunk?

Please don’t misunderstand, I don’t care if fans drink so long as they don’t interfere with the ability of others to enjoy the game. What I’m saying is if we’re going to classify under-performing fans, we should consider putting the inebriated in a similar negative category as “proud sitters.”

by Dauntless12 on Oct 24, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Proud Sitters also stand for the national anthem

The band needs to play the national anthem instead of the warchant to get these jive turkeys off their butts and making noise for our team.

by Garrett_TD23 on Oct 24, 2011 9:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Here is the question

Would you pay to be in a standing preferred section, even if it were in the corner? I would, the atmosphere would be worth it. Even though I’m a booster, I’m in a priority 3 section where no contribution is actually required. For night games, most people stand on defense, at least on third downs. If the ticket office made my section standing preferred and required a contribution, they’d increase revenue and improve the fan experience for standers and sitters. I suspect most people would keep their seats. The risk of this policy is that it alienates standers in other sections.

Thoughts?

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by fsu44 on Oct 24, 2011 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I just described the game thread like that...for when I can't make it to the game...

It’s like sitting in your living room enjoying the game in the company of friends and fellow FSU fans.

by PCBNole on Oct 24, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

This. "A Thinking Man's FSU Fan Section"

“Do you know why this Miami fan is riding a unicycle? Because he’s a Scot.”

by AmplifiedJ on Oct 25, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I could just imagine

Fan in section next to TN section yells: EJ what the eff are you doing!?!?

Fans in TN section begin to freely converse: Oh man, I think Freeman missed his blocking assignment on that play which caused EJ to get rid of the ball quickly. I also think Green was supposed to break that route off early because of the cushion of the DB. 90% of the time that play will work correctly and because we always adjust for the opponent I’d give it a probability of succeeding next time right at .95.

Fan in section next to TN section: You stupid motherf#cker!!!

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on Oct 25, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Definitely.

The corner was about the best you could expect to do for big games as a student, and the relatively poor view (still not a bad view) was never enough to detract from the atmosphere.

by 38Noles on Oct 25, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could not agree moreand rec.

I am in Section 15 and I have to say we are pro-standing. However, we had to deal with one of these damn “sitters” during the OU game(OU fans). Are you kidding me!!!
We gave the gentleman hell on Saturday for selling his season tickets to a douche.

On another note, i went to a soccer match in Medellin, Colombia and their is no chance in hell they sit for one second. I saw the same team play an exhibition in Orlando with the same results.

Does anyone know why we did not have a flyover Saturday?

by BucsNolesRays on Oct 24, 2011 9:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Cancelled due to "Operational Considerations".

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by shonole on Oct 24, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

flyovers are awesome, and if you really think its a waste I feel sorry for you

but perhaps youre joking and being sarcastic…..at least I hope so

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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 25, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

First double post

I feel violated :(

plus, it’s supposed to say, “a pretty AWESOME waste of money!” as the body. Or maybe it’s just me who sees it… It has me unusually paranoid

by najabaas on Oct 25, 2011 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

one day i may take you up on that

I’m considering moving my seats next season and may be homeless.

The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.

by fsu44 on Oct 24, 2011 9:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

hahahahahahaha

Love it!
“often rather colorful insults of the other team and/or Ron Cherry.”

by PCBNole on Oct 24, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Section 36 row 74 first year ticket holder

OU game I was a bit disappointed, had to keep “asking” everyone to get loud. Never had to worry about sitters though. This weekend will be my first game back, we’ll see what we get with NC state. It is parents weekend though, twenty point favorites and at noon, expectations aren’t too high. scUM game better be rocking though.

by NoleRaised on Oct 25, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

holy heck!?

Really! My ears have never rang after a game. Never, even the UF game. That was LOUD that night! Thought it had to be coming from your area too. It was loud down low in rows 9 and 10!

by PCBNole on Oct 25, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on sitters....

We know you’re out there.

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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL, or pregnant…. Kidding…its why Im not going to any sporting events this year though. Standing, etc.

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by FSU on Oct 24, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats!

For purposes of the manifesto, I’d say being pregnant would qualify as a medical condition :)

The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.

by fsu44 on Oct 25, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's a reason stadiums and arenas pretty much anywhere out side of the US and Canada

aren’t always all-seaters. It’s not just 1 or 2 people at an FSU game. Tons of people actually prefer to stand during sporting events and I am one of them. Yes, I know I will most likely end up having tons of knots in my lower body as a result but it’s well worth it.

by geoffissiffoeg on Oct 24, 2011 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I can't agree more with this!!!!

What is the definition of safe sex down in Gainesville?

Placing signs on the animals that kick.

by ValdostaNole on Oct 24, 2011 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

my wife just read this

And told me I forgot to mention how all the sitters love the chant formerly known as the advance auto parts advance the chains, which is now the good for a florida state First Down. solid point.

The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.

by fsu44 on Oct 24, 2011 10:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Ugh. Who likes the "First Down" thing?

I’ve asked sports fans of all stripes and everyone hates it.

by AmplifiedJ on Oct 25, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I liked the old "First Down, Florida State!" announcement where everyone just cheered.

Wish we could have continued that instead.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Oct 25, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm okay with it

It’s a little cheesy, but at least it’s not the wave…

by mbar on Oct 25, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Again, like the "what what"

It’s something new and my kids like it so it’s probably sticking around. The first time I noticed that we were doing it was after the UM game and the Miami fans did it. I found it incredibly annoying for them to do it.

So, that made me like it when we started doing it! Annoying the visiting team is good. Another home crowd thing. :-)

by PCBNole on Oct 25, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have chronic knee problems and I still stand for the game

Sometimes I can’t even walk but I still find a way to stand, at least while there’s action going on. It’s just part of the game experience. However, I am sympathetic for those who genuinely cannot stand. I’ve been there and it sucks. I don’t think they should have to miss out on the gameday atmosphere and experience, but they should be in a section where standing isn’t allowed so that they can watch unimpeded.

Also, I understand that a lot of fans (particularly in the student section) like to stand for the entire 4 hours, and that’s great. Good for them. I wish I could, but my knee issues just won’t allow that. I sit during timeouts, commercial breaks, in between quarters, and at halftime and I have every right in the world to do that, so it really pisses me off when others yell at me for “not being a fan” when I’m one of the most passionate fans out there.

by jfsu on Oct 24, 2011 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

yelling @ someone for not yelling

Isn’t in the manifesto.

The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.

by fsu44 on Oct 24, 2011 10:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

if you are yelling @ someone for sitting during a timeout

You are giving the standers a bad name. Nothing wrong with a little generic peer pressure and trying to get your section to get a little louder during the game though, as long as you aren’t targeting anyone specifically.

The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.

by fsu44 on Oct 24, 2011 10:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

probably

Younger people stand more, younger people tend to include the what what.

That’s like saying that standers are more likely to own a motorcycle or wear a backwards hat.

If that is the best reply, this argument is winning itself.

The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.

by fsu44 on Oct 24, 2011 10:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

do we not like the "what, what"?

I agree that’s a younger crowd thing. I don’t do it, but I don’t dislike it and my kids have now picked it up.

by PCBNole on Oct 24, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

You new here?

I think there have been post and facebook groups to try and stop the “what what”

by jasonole59 on Oct 24, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

fairly new here...just this season

Really, trying to stop the “what, what”? That’s funny. Aw, well, I’m not stopping my kids so that’s another generation…it’s gonna be around to stay…

by PCBNole on Oct 24, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

huh?

Should I search “samwell music” in the archives? LOL! (really, I don’t get it, can you explain?)

by PCBNole on Oct 25, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

hope this doesn't triple post...it keeps saying my comment won't post..

What! What! may now be banned in my household…

And, I think my eyes are burning and I know I am dumber for having watched that…but (no pun intended) many thanks, kind Nole, for educating me!

by PCBNole on Oct 25, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

im indifferent

Seems to help people keep the timing correct. If everyone was cheering and yelling, maybe it would be worth complaining about.

The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.

by fsu44 on Oct 24, 2011 10:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I was being sarcastic,

but in all fairness, if you’re going to point out something annoying about one group…

by jasonole59 on Oct 24, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Standers (and obnoxious yellers, pounders, stompers) of Doak UNITE!

I’m so glad you wrote this. In ‘87 as Deion was waving his arms to pump up the crowd and I was asked to sit by a student that actually brought a book to read to the game. Seriously!? Even the cops told that student to go home and watch the game but he wouldn’t make us sit.
Now, I have kids and am in a lower row, on the west side (sec 37). I bring my kids. We stay for the entire game. I teach them to stand and YELL when we are on defense. We have several older people beside us that make a six hour drive to come to the game and don’t stand that often (they did during the Oklahoma game), but they never complain about standers, they just look at the jumbotron. It’s the people behind them (that we moved our season tickets away from) who pay for four seats (but their family takes up at least 6 1/2) who complain about the standers! I would like to see a similar post on seat encroachment…is that politically correct? I mean, I am not a big person, but I bought 6 tickets for my family of 5 to be able to spread out.

And for all you sitters…STFU! (stand the f up!)

by PCBNole on Oct 24, 2011 10:39 PM EDT reply actions  

In all fairness

it was the Kama Sutra, you were blocking my view of the little lady in front of you, and the real reason the policemen asked me to leave was that he overheard my sales pitch

by FredGarvin...NoleProstitute on Oct 24, 2011 11:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

haha...

it was a female student…so good to know that about you…

by PCBNole on Oct 24, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, and I stand. However,

I don’t agree with some of the tone in the comments that standers are better fans. Do standers pay more than sitters? No. Do standers donate less money to the boosters? Doubtful.

I can see why you wrote this. The crowd was dead Saturday. With a month layoff, I think everyone should stand in the sun and yell for 2 hours every Saturday there is an away game, just to maintain intensity.

by jasonole59 on Oct 24, 2011 10:49 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah I hear your point

Im not sure what makes a fan better than another, but for purposes of atmosphere and homemfield advantage, standers are better than sitters. Of course, strike a balance to far in either direction risks alienating fans and losing money.

That’s why some sort of standing preferred section would be great. Everyone wins, everyone has fun, and everyone wants to come back and give more money.

The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.

by fsu44 on Oct 24, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually like the idea of sitting preferred sections instead. If you're buying tickets inside a sitting preferred section and standing anyway

Then you’re just a dick. This allows the majority of the stadium to be free for either, and those that are always wanting a view whilst seated to get what they want.

by NoleRaised on Oct 25, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep

a standing preferred implies the majority of the stadium is a “sitting” area, making it worse for those standers in other areas.

by jasonole59 on Oct 25, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Since it's usually clear on TV that we can't fill our stadium (for most games at least)

I think people who are genuinely unable to stand, or families with little kids who can’t see over the people standing in front of them, should be able to be reseated in the section of the stadium that’s usually empty. That way they’d be able to watch the game unimpeded and it would fill out the stadium a little bit so it didn’t look so bad on TV.

by jfsu on Oct 24, 2011 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

we should give away those tickets to foster families or something...

I have always wondered how and why we have empty seats when there are probably tons of programs in nearby (ish) cities that would bring kids over to a game. And, young adults that can’t afford to go to a game. And, why do I read on the Friday before the Maryland game that all the student tickets are “gone” but get an email from Seminole Boosters stating that there are still tickets for sale? For the love of God, give the students the tickets.

Is that really pie in the sky and too ambitious of a plan? I don’t think so, but I don’t know anything about marketing a football team. I do this with my season tickets. If I can’t go, I try to give my tickets away…now I’m not perfect, I will sell the good games but for the others, I give them to nice families that want to see a game but aren’t huge fans and would never buy tickets.

by PCBNole on Oct 24, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

HA!

It would be a requirement of the “gift” that they stand at all times. With the electrified seats and all, it would work.

by PCBNole on Oct 25, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a stander and proud of it...Keep preaching the cause fsu44

It’s actually physically difficult for me to sit down during a game. I usually have this unique phenomenon known as a combination of excitement, adrenaline, nervous energy coursing through my body which makes it a near physical impossibility to sit down.

I’ve never understood the sitters either. Apparently, they must live such exciting lives that a FSU home game doesn’t really get a reaction out of them. I’ll admit this. My work life during the work week is quite boring and I actually look forward to getting loud and a little obnoxious during a game. Crazy stuff right.

I’ve never quite understood the FSU fan base as a whole either. There are so many teams across the country with teams half as talented as FSU and their fans go absolutely nuts during their games.

by PSLNOLE on Oct 24, 2011 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Good post

and I was happy to see that the Bobblehead Race was not spared its share of vitriol.

“OMG Number OOOOOOOONNNNEEE!!!!!!!!!” index finger reaching to the sky

Spoiler alert folks..it’s the same three videos. The bobblehead that is in 3rd place at the 10 always shoots the gap and wins.

by 38Noles on Oct 25, 2011 12:59 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

yup

Always bet on blackGlass.

Wesley Snipes Bert Reed

The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.

by fsu44 on Oct 25, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the tip.

I’ve seriously wondered how to effectively handicap the bobblehead race.

by Dauntless12 on Oct 25, 2011 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Basketball Shuffle Results!

If X starts on 1, it finishes on 2
If X starts on 2, it finishes on 1
If X starts on 3, it finishes on 3

I seriously hope they get a new shuffle game this year!

by mbar on Oct 25, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I Wish I Had This Problem!

I’ve been a ‘Nole fan since 1965. Unfortunately, I’ve only been to the ‘65 Wake game (35-0 :) ) and had season tickets in 1974 when I was stationed at Tyndall AFB. That was a 1-10 season, so I didn’t even see a win. (I don’t remember ANYBODY standing up.) So, this is a problem I’ve never faced from either side. Now I live in California, but just retired, so my dream is to get to live in Tallahassee for a season and see all the games, win or lose. If I do, I’ll gladly sit behind a stander, or stand in front of a sitter, or allow a corpulent lady to sit on my shoulders with my head up her arse and watch through her genital orifice! Anything to get to see a live game………. :)

by Nole99 on Oct 25, 2011 3:02 AM EDT reply actions  

I admire your passion.

However, I’m not sure what you suggest is anatomically possible. And, as big a fan as I am, I’m not sure the level of play right now would justify such devotion.

Now if it were the Weinke teams of 1999 and 2000…those games were things of absolute beauty and majesty. How fat a woman are we talking?

by Dauntless12 on Oct 25, 2011 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

When you haven’t seen a live game in 37, yes 37 (please read that again) years, any game is like a 1999 0r 2000 team game! As to how fat? Well, the adrenalin for the first game would probably allow me to go 250, maybe 275 for three hours or so. For subsequent games I could handle 220…. I know, some of you guys just call that voluptuous.

Oh, and as to the anatomical possibilities in that area? You have no idea the things I’ve done and could still do in “that” area…… :)

by Nole99 on Oct 25, 2011 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

There already is a special area for "sitters"

It is known as the “sky box”

For those who must sit with the “regular people”, you have to understand the real fans are going to get excited.

Personally, I haven’t had much problem with this.

Florida State
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by SeminoleMike on Oct 25, 2011 7:19 AM EDT reply actions  

So you don’t think a sitter can be a real fan? I wasn’t talking about the sky box.

by jasonole59 on Oct 25, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

luv it except the "standing prefered" idea

We already have a “sitting prefered” section…its called HD TV at home. Its great. You can sit muchmore comfortably. have cold beverages that dont cost 4$. And most importantly leave me alone!

If you CANT stand why the hell did u buy tickets to a college football game.

"Don't bite your friends" - DJ Lancerock

by truecolors on Oct 25, 2011 7:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Actually the standing preferred idea is fantastic. Start with one section near the students and spread out from there. The standers will band together and create a hellish environment for opposing teams.

"Baseball is like church. Many attend but few understand." - Wes Westrum, Mets Manager

by NoleCC on Oct 25, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seminole Boosters would get more money as well

If you created a standing preferred section in priority III seatings (e.g. section 39 or 38) where no contribution is currently required to secure season tickets, more people would donate, and everyone would be happier.

The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.

by fsu44 on Oct 25, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can buy a drink at Doak for 4$?

'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'

by jskipnole on Oct 25, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

Aren’t the powerades and normal cups $4 while the super cool rare collector cups are $6

by Bokata on Oct 25, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I always get the large

3/4 full.

'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'

by jskipnole on Oct 25, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I haveto laugh at the Wimbledon comment,

I am in Priority II, section 36 row 72 and i think it is hilarious because i bought those seats to be in the shade on noon kickoffs, nice seats, but i deal with the same thing every game, the wannabe Wimbledon viewers that ask me to sit, and i politley turn to them, and ask them to stand!

by SoMD_Nole on Oct 25, 2011 8:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Here is how bad it gets at some places.

I convinced my old roomate to buy USF season tickets right before they started playing really well (for them) a few years ago. His father, before his passing, was restricted to a wheelchair. The stadium got him pretty good seats, 4 of them, along the back row of the student section in one of the endzones. This meant that no one sat behind him which was great, right? No, at every game the security was asked to come over and make him sit because fans in the common area…ie no seats, could not see over him??? WTH? That is how crazy it can get. You have a seat with no one seated behind you and they make you sit for people passing by or getting a coke. Your enjoyment is of no concern. On one occasion he was removed for not sitting when asked by staff. I told him to claim back pain and get an attorney. Going to a game and forced to sit because someone isn’t in their own seats….Horrible!

by pb4957 on Oct 25, 2011 9:16 AM EDT reply actions  

You wouldn't happen to be in Section 9 and around Row 35 would you?

I swear everyone we know is cool, guy in front of me is like 30 and he has 3 tickets. Usually comes with wife or a couple buddies and we have 2 firefighters behind us. But after that its a bunch of jibornis who got tickets second hand. Hell no I won’t sit down.
Great post!

FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!

by cmk07c on Oct 25, 2011 9:29 AM EDT reply actions  

nope not me

The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.

by fsu44 on Oct 25, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another Stander agrees

…but I’m still going to ask for some courtesy if you’re in my section. Buying a ticket doesn’t give anyone the right to be a jackass. You can be a fan and a decent human being at the same time, as fsu44 pointed out. So…

A) Keep it clean. Dropping F-bombs will get you an appointment with security.
2) Don’t stand on the bleachers. Just because I’m not using my seat at the moment doesn’t give you the right to stand on it. And unless you’re 5 years old, do not stand on the bleacher in front of me.
D) Don’t try to squeeze your four friends with seats somewhere else into my row.
IV) Get into the game! The last game I was at, three girls behind me talked weddings, babies, shopping, boyfriends, etc., for the entire game and then would ask me what happened on big plays. Argghhhh!!!

by 86Chief on Oct 25, 2011 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

In the interests of full disclosure, I’m guilty of letting loose a few F-bombs myself.

I try to police myself on that point, especially when there are kids around. I’d like to be able to yell whatever I want when the ref takes away a touchdown or we do something incredibly stupid. That is why I’d love to see a standing preferred section. You would make the game a more family friendly place to take your kids if you gave the rowdies a home, and might even increase your ticket sales.

The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.

by fsu44 on Oct 25, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, it happens

I wouldn’t call anyone out for one or two slips. Most of the time, people don’t keep doing it. Last year, we had a guy thrown out in the middle of the first quarter because he wouldn’t stop and told us to f-off when we asked him to. Can’t figure out why he thought it was worth wasting his ticket.

by 86Chief on Oct 25, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty simple

If someone asks you nicely to stop cursing, just stop.

I don’t think it is appropriate to contact security over the first f-bomb without giving the guy a chance to reign it in (not that your post was implying that).

The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.

by fsu44 on Oct 25, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. Point 2. you can be a stander and considerate. why someone 6’4" feels the need to stand on a bleacher in front of my wife or or kids (or myself) is beyond me.

For the most, I’ve dealt with considerate people. People in front of us are usually considerate of the kids and make sure they can see, even when we’re all standing. (of course a 6 year old is not going to see much anyway).

by jasonole59 on Oct 25, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree most people are decent

Just had a few bad experiences recently.

by 86Chief on Oct 25, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good job fsu44!

Rec’d but I would like to add……A2D Fail!

"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"

- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)

by YouNoleIt on Oct 25, 2011 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

You know when i was at fsu in late 90s early 00s, my dad, gator fan, used to complain that going to games at fsu was terrible because no one would ever sit, ever not even during timeouts. This is what it has come to, I feel ashamed. SEC fans used to complain about our crowds being too crazy.

by NoleRaised on Oct 25, 2011 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

I live in boston

and am dating a girl from up here that went to a small private school and she does not understand my fervor for FSU. Maybe this article will help her realize that Im not the only one.

She did recently grab my arm in excitement and anticipation for one of EJ’s deep balls at the FSU bar here in Boston. I think Im making progress.

D-Hop has tiger blood

by camfsu04e on Oct 25, 2011 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Glad you posted a contrarian view

First, I am not the kind of guy who yells at people to yell. I yell at the game. But when you choose to sit and try to force that choice on me, you are restricting what I can do with the space that I happened to pay for. It goes both ways.

Second, my position is that I am there to support the team and do my part to provide a home field advantage. Someone’s preference to see the players while sitting down, at least in my mind, does not take priority over those people who are actively trying to provide that advantage. That is what I was trying to express with point 8. Sitters don’t just want to see the game, they want to see it on their own terms. I say that their terms are less important than making noise, and have laid out my argument in support of that position.

Third, I understand that people get annoyed that the can’t always see while sitting down. The purpose of this post was to give those people some insight into how the other side views them.

Fourth, while I don’t think the smoking analogy applies, as the positive externalities of standing (health benefits, more noise) would seem to outweigh the negative externalities of standing (forcing other people to adjust their body position). Smoking is more of a freedom v. societal cost debate, and the externalities that are quantifiable in dollars are far more negative than positive.

Standing Tall.

by fsu44 on Oct 25, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

uuuh oooii

//spits foot from mouth

I was trying to say, “Good point” on sitters having a choice to sit.

I think there are two talkings points here: a) people are going to differ as to how they choose to view games and 2) people are going to differ on how they choose to cheer for their team.

To the latter, I don’t think standing makes you much louder. To me volume comes from attitude, not altitude. Some people just care more than others and some are louder than others. (I sit and scream right into the eat of the people in front of me, which I enjoy immensely because they’re so quiet).

To the former, you and I are just going to differ. I don’t have as much of a problem with you standing as others might but both stand(sit)points are valid. We choose to sit because, at least in my case, seats are available. You stand for the reasons stated above, which are reasonable for the most part. The problem is Free Wills.

I hope that standers and sitter can both really against people with signs. Damn people that bring signs.

by Geoff33rpm on Oct 25, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

For me

I’m pretty sure I’m louder when I stand. If nothing else, I am able to lean closer to the field and project the sound out rather than into the back/head of the person in front of me.

When I get excited, I tend to want to stand up. All my best rants come while I’m standing. I even typed the last half of this piece while standing, cause I was getting excited.

Again, I’m not here to police people who don’t want to cheer. Fine, I will silently judge you, but I’ll leave you alone. Just don’t try to bring other people down to your level.

As far as signs go, I don’t care if people bring them, but they should be kept away until timeouts.

Standing Tall.

by fsu44 on Oct 25, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only signs that should be created, should be smart and that's still doesn't sit right

I could probably tolerate offensive signs, if they’re witty. But, please, no more cheating on acronyms. No more Master Card “priceless” signs. An no more poorly drawn animals or other figures.

            wasting tim*E*
   and money on a *S*ign = $5
taking up the beer *P*ong table to make the stupid sign = $Friendships
                         holdi*N*g up a poorly thought-out, chiched sign at the detriment of those behind you, all in the name of 5 seconds of TV time = F’ing Pricelss

by Geoff33rpm on Oct 25, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

A sign at the recent Syracuse-WfVU game:
The ACC took my other sign!

Abiaka Windclan
>>>---------------------------------->

by Abiaka Windclan on Oct 27, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Point 8, all day.

That’s the way I feel but could never have articulated it that well. Well done Sir.

by ActiveAgent on Oct 25, 2011 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

So awesome.

fsu44, we may finally discover how many recs it takes for an entire column to turn green.

"It's one thing to grab an extra shampoo bottle off her cart, but I draw the line at actually raping hotel maids." - Norm MacDonald

by TRMNole on Oct 25, 2011 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Always has been a pet peeve of mine. Glad you took it up!

It’s a football game. Time to get off the couch or stay on it.

by pb4957 on Oct 25, 2011 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Not trying to cast judgments

But I do think it is important for those people who are helping to create a good home field advantage to stand their ground in the face of people who care more about sitting than who wins or loses. I did say that age might be a consideration when figuring out how to deal with a stand v. sit issue. There are plenty of ways to be a fan, contributing money, buying merchandise, etc.

I think the who is a good fan v. not a good fan is a straw man. But I do think that every person who does not put forth the effort to make noise and participate in being the 12th man is leaving something on the table. I can live with that, but for those people to work to sabotage the most vocal participants for their own personal comfort level is where I guess I draw the line.

Standing Tall.

by fsu44 on Oct 25, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm all for a standing preferred area

I’d be the first to sign up.

Alienating people goes both ways. Some NFL stadiums have essentially banned standing. If something like that were to happen, FSU would lose my money, and probably money from a lot of other people who read this site. HDTV, beer, empty bathrooms, saving money, all of those factors are weighing against attendance. The ability to yell scream and incrementally contribute to home-field advantage is really the only reason why attendance is worthwhile.

Again, I’m not looking to alienate anyone. I’m not sure the same thing can be said for people whose number 1 priority is making sure everyone else is sitting down.

If a person can’t enjoy themselves at the stadium because someone stands up while cheering while the defense (thus giving them the choice of standing or watching the screen), then I am looking forward to a time when FSU is more successful and the demand for seats becomes more competitive, and our fanbase views being at the game as a privilege rather than a right.

Standing Tall.

by fsu44 on Oct 25, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought about this post the entire game today!

Great weather! And no problems with standing and sitting enjoying the game! Hope your experience was better!

by PCBNole on Oct 30, 2011 12:46 AM EDT reply actions  

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