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Noles News 10.27.11

This is pretty cool. If you "like" this Kraft foods facebook page, Kraft donates a meal for the holidays. 

What do you think the attendance will be for tonight's awesome matchup between Virginia and Miami? I'll say actual: 31,000 / announced 45,000. Get ready for those tight camera angles.

Perhaps dad is winning out here? Mario Edwards Jr., he of the "my top two consists of OU and LSU but I am still an FSU commitment" fame, is visiting FSU this weekend per our friend Josh Newberg.

Dave Telep - State of the Game - The insider's guide to dirty recruiting - ESPN
In 2002, LeBron James helped demonstrate how much money surrounds the recruiting trail, and its impact has not dissipated. Dave Telep provides an insider's guide to dirty recruiting.

Gerald Christian, Robert Clark To Transfer From Florida - Alligator Army
Florida's passing game is losing two more options: the Gators have announced that Gerald Christian and Robert Clark will transfer. They weren't in line for PT and this clears more room for a big signing class.

Florida State in lower third of the ACC’s Graduation Success Rate – Chopping Block – Seminoles Blog – Orlando Sentinel
Not unexpected

WORTHY ADVERSARY: MARK MAY - Every Day Should Be Saturday
Pure gold from EDSBS

Attacking "Psycho" fronts and other blitz heavy defensive looks | Smart Football
When asked earlier this season how he would describe the current trend in modern defenses, New Orleans Saints coach Sean Payton summed it up in one word: "confusion."

"I can run on it and everything," Sweezy said. "I'm just ready to get back into football." - Backing The Pack
N.C. State gets its DT back.

Baby Got Less Back Than Expected - Backing The Pack

For attrition-ravaged Gators, road back begins with long-neglected numbers game - Dr. Saturday - NCAAF Blog - Yahoo! Sports

Week Nine F/+ Rankings - Football Study Hall
This week's Football Outsiders F/+ college football rankings. These are the composite combo of S&P+ and FEI. FSU the 20th-best team in the country by performance to date? I can get on board with that.

UNC Game Film Review - Shakin The Southland

Tobais Palmer Enters the Annals Of NC State Stuff - Backing The Pack

A receiver got a concussion in the pre-game? Ouch. 

Inside, find what Jimbo Fisher and N.C. State coach Tom O'Brien had to say on the ACC teleconference!

Star-divide

 

Jimbo Fisher

Very happy the way our team perform against Maryland. Maryland had a very good ballclub, was doing a very good job on offense, and I thought our defense played a very good game, gap sound against a lot of the quarterback run things which they did and which they presented a lot of problems. And when O'Brien came into the game we adjusted, made a pass and made a few plays. On offense, I thought we were pretty sharp, moved the ball pretty well, took advantage of some opportunities. Special teams were very solid in the game, and we have to continue to grow and get better. And we took another step. Was very happy, I thought we ran the ball much better in the second half, ran the ball with pretty good effectiveness and we have to continue on both ends to get better. But we are making progress and I'm very pleased with the direction we are going.

Q. Off topic of this week's game but Christian Ponder created a stir with his first start in Minnesota, but can you talk about his mental makeup and did you notice a fearlessness?

COACH FISHER: No doubt. The injuries he played with -- a couple years ago he played with two broken ribs. Matter of fact, NC State game, two years ago down here, broken them about second drive, played with no pain in the first half, we won a 45-42 game and won the game. He played tremendous, played the whole year like that. Played with the elbow that was last year; the competitiveness, the toughness, the things it takes to win and gained the respect of your teammates. He's an ultimate competitor, extremely intelligent, prepares very well. He has all of the intangibles to be a very good player, and hopefully he'll continue to play well.

Q. There seemed to be some questions about whether or not he deserved to be drafted as highly as he was. What did you tell teams, the NFL folks?

COACH FISHER: I thought he deserved to be that high, I really did. His arm strength is much better than people give credit for, great balance body control, can make decisions, process the information, lead, be tough. That's everything you want. The guy can do everything, he really can. And like I said before, and I don't mean it as a knock, one thing you have to remember with him at Florida State, the only drafted player he had ever played with on offense was Rodney Hudson there was never a skill guy around him that was drafted. That's not a knock. You put some first, second round guys around him as a quarterback and the numbers, and the pace he was going on before he got hurt in the eighth or ninth game of his junior year when he got hurt at Clemson, he was on pace for 4,000 yards and that's without a drafted guy around him. So I mean, we had a couple free agents make it, but the guy, he's going to be a very good player hopefully if he continues. He has all of the ability, there's no doubt.

Q. NC State has the nation's leader in interception in there in the secondary, David Amerson, when there's a guy back there like that, does that affect the way you game plan on offense?

COACH FISHER: Oh, yes, always have to know who the great players are, whether he's a pass rusher or cover guy or whatever, and when the ball is around him, he has great ball skills, he adjusts, his instinct, he breaks on the ball. He does a very good job. There's no doubt you definitely have to be aware of where he's at and what he's doing at all times.

Q. You talked just a little there, but watching on film, what stands out about him?

COACH FISHER: Playing with his eyes very well. They are a very zone-oriented team with a lot of fire zones but he understands where the ball is going to go, understands down and distance. He's long, he's big. He can play man when he has to and he uses that size advantage and his leverage and gets his body in position and breaks on that football extremely well.

Q. You have the same issue I would suspect with your defense and special teams with T.J. Graham, who is probably as explosive as him, can you comment on that along the same lines?

COACH FISHER: Yeah, you have to know where he's at, you get him in one-on-one situations, he can definitely burn you, run by you. He catches the ball underneath. Great thing about him is he is a great return guy and he has running skills once he gets the ball in his hand on short routes. And they have done a bunch of that, hit eight-, ten-, 12-yard routes, and they did that last week at Virginia, they got a ten-yard out on third down and broke it for a long run. There are different guys even besides him. And his return skills, you have to know where he's at and you have to hem him up and we have to be very disciplined in our special teams and our lane coverages and how we kick it and make sure we get great height on the ball and all those types of things and whether you kick it way from him or don't. On offense, you have to know where he's at, because he can create the big play. I mean, there's no doubt, he's a heck of a football player. I think he's averaging, what, 21.8 yards a catch.

Q. Does he remind you of anybody?

COACH FISHER: I haven't really thought of it that way, there's so many guys. And I always say this, I don't like comparing guys because guys are all different, you know what I'm saying. And I don't know him, I never been around that, so to say that is unfair, but he's very impressive on film.

Q. I think I read that you had tried to recruit Mike Glennon out of high school; is that right?

COACH FISHER: Yeah, we went up and looked at him and talked to him and he came down and visited us, yes.

Q. What did you like about him? What does he have that fit what you look for quarterback?

COACH FISHER: One thing that jumped out at you when you saw the arm count. The ball jumps out of his hand, he can drive it, he's accurate. And you met him and very intelligent, sharp, good leader. Make a very -- just a great overall person you would like to have in your organization. We were just very impressed when I saw him in the camps and the things he did. I saw him in a Nike camp one time. Very complete football player. Great size which I think is important, too, if you can have it. Big, physical, can take punches; in other words, with his body, is not a thin guy, strong guy, and has good instincts for the game. Moves in the pocket well. He's a good quarterback.

Q. Winning two in a row now, are you doing certain things better than you were in your losing streak?

COACH FISHER: We have been taking care of the football all year except for the one game against Wake we didn't take care of it very well. We eliminated some penalties, playing a little smarter and we are getting out and getting good starts and playing from ahead and we are able to keep balance. We are still able to run the football and mix the run and the pass and keep balance so you don't get one-dimensional, which can make you get penalties when you play from behind because you are having to throw it from behind and all those things. I think defensively we are playing much sounder. And in our gap control, we were not playing, before, we would play five games a game that would slip up and somebody would miss a gap and they would hit a big play. We are doing a much better job that have and continue to go put good pressure on the passer in things that we do and special teams are playing solidly. Some of the self-inflicted wounds I think we are eliminating.

Q. Your rush defense, is that a function of a strong defensive line, good linebackers or

COACH FISHER: I think it's a combination of both and a priority. I'm a believer in this as the head coach: You have to be able to run the football, which was what was frustrating me earlier in the year and now we are getting better at and I think you have to be able to stop the one run. Those are two things we put high priorities on. I think we are very physical up front. I think have good size and not only our ends, they can rush but they can play the bigger guys, they can play the run. I think we have big inside guys, our linebackers that are solid, and our safeties are doing a great job of fitting and filling in when we have to. It's a priority for us. I'm a firm believer that you have to be able to stop the run.

Tom O'Brien

TOM O'BRIEN: We're certainly working hard to get ready to go play a really explosive Florida State team. They started the year ranked in the top ten. They look like they're back to being a top ten football team right now, very explosive on offense, and leading this conference in defense. It'll be a great challenge for us, but our kids look forward to going down there and competing with them.

Q. I was just wondering how much of David Amerson's success picking off passes has been about his instinct and how much you think has been about your scheme?

TOM O'BRIEN: I think it's probably a combination of both. You know, he's a kid that when you look at eight interceptions in seven games, it's a pretty big accomplishment, especially for this school since nobody has done it here since -- it ties the record since 1938, so that's a pretty good record to have right now. Hopefully he can get three more and get up to where Dré Bly was in '96 with 11. But he has great instincts and I think he has very good ability. He's a kid that has only been playing with us for two years, so he came into the scheme that -- he's learned it from the ground up. From day one he's come in and been coached to do what we want to do. But it has to be -- I think it's a combination of both things right now.

Q. Just to follow up with David Amerson, what were the things that -- he was primarily a safety in high school, and adjusting to cornerback in college, what are the things that he had to work his way through and learn about a little bit different position?

TOM O'BRIEN: Well, you know, we had him in camp, so as we put him through -- as he went through the camp and went through all the drills, we had no question at all that he could be a corner at this level and play at the highest level in the ACC at corner. So what he played in high school was not very significant for us one way or another since we had him in camp. So he has quick feet, he has great hands, he has good instincts. He's a student of the game. I think that's the thing that is the difference. As a freshman last year we had him rolled up into the boundary, and as a freshman, you're more worried about many other things than what's going on. Now he's more comfortable going to school and doing those things. He's become much more in the film study room -- he's got good anticipation. He got burned a couple times early in the season on a double move, but he's worked hard not to make that happen because he is so aggressive. All those, the little things and the study off the field is coming into play right now for him.

Q. I talked to him recently and he said that he spent a lot more time studying film than he ever has before. Particularly with guys in the secondary, does that give them that little extra edge if they believe that they can anticipate what a receiver is going to do?

TOM O'BRIEN: Yeah, I think you want to look at formations, study splits. Is it a big split, is it a number split, is it a hash split, what does this receiver run from the split he's in. Maybe they can pick up a clue on where his feet are. They look for all different things, look for how they come off the football. As you study the guy, you get into what his patterns are, and I think David will be better and better as time goes on as he anticipates all visit our archives at asapsports.com those things.

Q. I never thought I'd see a Virginia-NC State game where neither team completed a pass to the tight end. Has there been any kind of evolution in offensive or defensive philosophy that's minimized the role of the tight end at all?

TOM O'BRIEN: No, George Bryan has been All-ACC last two years. We've had trouble getting him the ball all year because people have made a concentrated effort not to let him catch the ball. We threw one to him the other day and he dropped the ball. He had a chance to catch a ball there in a third-down situation, a little choice route in the middle of the field. So we haven't given up trying to get the ball to the tight end, we just have had trouble with it because people have spent a lot of time taking him away or taking him out of the game. In our case, I don't know about Virginia's.

Q. You mentioned George's drop in that game. That was far from the only one from the receivers. There have been a couple of games this season where you've had kind of a breakout of the drops. Any explanation for it? Anything you can do besides just reps?

TOM O'BRIEN: No, I think it's concentration and reps. You've got to look the ball in. A lot of cases that's the case. A cases guys had a chance to make touchdowns. In fact, there were three of them, four times we had chances to make catches and make touchdowns. They were overly excited, taking off before running, counting the points up or whatever. But it's a matter of concentration, looking the back in, squeezing it and putting it away so it can't be stripped. We'll go back to the fundamentals, go back to basics, go back to concentration. It isn't lack of effort, I know that, on our part.

Q. Any concern at all about reading Glennon's body language to see if he's getting frustrated out there?

TOM O'BRIEN: No, I think he did a great job. After the one series that had a couple drops, he went over and got them together and said, listen, just hang in there. Keep working. I'm going to throw the ball, you guys have to start catching it. Hang with me, I'm going to hang with you. We're going to get this done together. So I think it was great leadership on Michael's part.

Q. I want to go back to David real quick. How good are his hands?

TOM O'BRIEN: Very good.

Q. Have you ever thought about using him at receiver at all?

TOM O'BRIEN: No, we actually used Rashard Smith this year as you know to play both sides. David returned because of the loss of TJ and because of the loss of Tobais last week. He returned a kickoff. He can return kickoffs, he can return punts. He could be a receiver. He's a lot like Will Blackmon, the kid I had at Boston College that we played both ways, too. He could do that. But we chose Rashard because he's a little bit older and been around a little bit longer when we needed help earlier in the year.

Q. You've won two in a row now. Is there anything you were particularly pleased with from last week's game that you're telling the kids, all right, this is exactly what I want, keep it up for this week?

TOM O'BRIEN: Well, I think it's a combination that we started -- we were so devastated injury-wise and we started to get some guys back by the first game, and certainly the off-week allowed -- we had a lot of guys just beat up in themselves, and then getting (J.R.)Sweezy back and a couple others for Virginia, after being able to try to put a defense back together for a couple weeks, I think that was the biggest thing that happened. It was people and the players. They played with a lot of enthusiasm, knew that they were going up a really good Virginia football team, coming off a great win against Georgia Tech, and it was a very good victory for us to go on the road and win a game.

Q. What exactly what happened to Tobais Palmer before the game? And have you ever had a season where not one but two key guys have gotten hurt in pregame warm-ups?

TOM O'BRIEN: Never. I mean, as I keep saying, you can't make this stuff up. They were just out -- they go out early, they get to the stadium -- a lot of guys go out and just kind of toss the ball around, they were running around, he ran into another guy and got dinged and had a headache. So the doctor wisely said, you'd better stay out, and better safe than sorry. I mean, that was the case.

Q. How much did Bryan Underwood's role expand because Tobais was not available?

TOM O'BRIEN: Well, he was the only one left. We took Steve Howard from the other side. Thank goodness Steve has been around, knows every wide receiver position. We were basically down to four guys in the play in the first half against Virginia. We talk about a lot. You hear me say all the time, one man's misfortune is another man's opportunity. Bryan certainly made the most of his opportunity to get some time in there to play.

Q. Each year's team is a new thing, and prior to the Virginia game your three wins had been at home where people would have perceived you as the favorite. How important is it, and how much morale boost do you think your players got from beating an ACC team on the road?

TOM O'BRIEN: Well, it should be a good boost for them to understand how difficult it is. This league is very difficult to go on the road and to win, especially when you go play a good team and a team like Virginia who was 4-2 at that point and coming off a great win the week before. It caught their attention being the NC State football team and what a great team Virginia was and how great they were playing. But that one is by us, and we have to look forward to Florida State. We can't be looking in the rear view mirror. We have to get focused on Florida State or you can get run out of the ballpark down there.

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How can anyone say

that Mario Edwards, Jr. is a commitment at this point?

Not tho' the soldier knew, Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do & die, Into the valley of Death Rode the 85.

by Shooter McFrattin on Oct 27, 2011 10:47 AM EDT reply actions  

He may

be coming just to decommit to Jimbo’s face. Very real possibility considering his pops prob wants to stay on good terms with his alma mater.

by ONOLE05 on Oct 27, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why would a kid travel that far just to say thanks but no thanks?

That’s just not very bright.

I understand it’s polite, but it’s really not necessary in recruiting these days.

by vickers8 on Oct 27, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take free trip

with a large change of getting lucky with the arguably the hottest female student body anyday

by FEARspear on Oct 27, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's an unofficial visit

so it would not be a free trip.

'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'

by jskipnole on Oct 27, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

This trip is on Mario Sr.'s dime

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Oct 27, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the same thing I thought when I read that

by nole your enemy on Oct 27, 2011 12:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Bad timing on the visit

Noon game vs. NC State or OU game vs. Texas. I wonder which one is going to make a bigger impression?
At least at night we’d have 15,000 drunks to yell a lot louder.

by law74 on Oct 27, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is not his official visit.

Kids make unofficials all the time to schools they are interested in.

FSU wants him on campus for the official as late in the game as possible. Last impressions are usually the best when it comes to recruiting.

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Oct 27, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think more like January, personally.

Do not think we are out at all.

My opinion is we are still the team to beat. But LSU, OU, and Texas are all giant threats.

At least OU has shown themselves to be vulnerable.

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Oct 27, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really bothered me what MEJ said

after the OU loss. He was “very impressed” with the way OU came back and made it close. Only players, coaches and fans make those kind of comments.
I think OU is the one to beat.

by law74 on Oct 27, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where are you getting this FSU being out of it nonsense from?

F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
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MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick

by tricknole on Oct 27, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

"are we that far out of that [sic] MEJ race?"

F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
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MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick

by tricknole on Oct 29, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a VERY unlikely scenario, actually.

F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
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MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick

by tricknole on Oct 27, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

247 has a proven track record

Josh does an objective, thorough job. If he says ME Jr is still a Nole verbal then he probably is. I could definitely see the media and recruitniks were trying to sell subs with the conjured drama. Not saying Mario’s a solid commit, but we should be patient and acknowledge the recruiting process is what it is….a circus.

by zewhitedevil on Oct 27, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did someone say circus?

We may have a theme here…

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Oct 27, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

By realizing that commitments waver and that they are non-binding?

That other schools pique interest and they will visit other schools?

F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
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MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick

by tricknole on Oct 27, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re UF WR transfers

I fully realize that there will be a certain # of transfers when there is a coaching regime change, but it seems to me that since Muschamp’s arrival the # of transfers has been unusually high. I realize this is his 1st stint as a HC, and so has never done this sort of thing before, but is Muschamp the sort of guy who could use a lesson in tact?

Championship!

by TLHWG on Oct 27, 2011 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Don’t think you can put alot of it on CWC considering the circumstances CUM recruited that 2010 class with one foot out the door. He flat out lied to many of these kids in telling them that he would be there and he also ran a much different offensive system than CWC so alot of the undersized guys have no place in that offense anymore.

by ONOLE05 on Oct 27, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, I got CUM

But CWC? CWM?

TWSS/ TSG/ TGIF/ SMH………………

Head just exploded.

Why not just type a few more letters so us old-school people know what the hell you are talking about? :)

Please?

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Oct 27, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm old but

I think it’s coach Will Muffcramp

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by jskipnole on Oct 27, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coach Urban Meyer

CWC - Coach Will Cufframp
CWM - Coach Will Muffcramp
TWSS - That’s What She Said
TSG - That Sounds (or Sounded) Gay. You’re welcome.
TGIF - Thank God It’s Friday
SMH - Shaking My Head. As in….“I can’t believe I just had to explain TGIF, SMH”

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by DRusso97 on Oct 27, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Take it from Jim Delany:
We’re not in the conversation. People can ask us if we’re in the conversation, but I’m telling you we’re not in the conversation. Everybody else in the country is in the conversation, but we’re not. You can’t make us in the conversation if we’re not in the conversation.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/10/27/big.ten.delany.ap/index.html?sct=cf_t2_a7

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by Abiaka Windclan on Oct 27, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting reply

Confusing, but interesting.

Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 27, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's gotta deal with UF's oversigning policy while being a died in the wool Sabanite

It makes it tough. How you oversign from his position is evaluate early in the process force transfers in summer and fall (instead of after signing your class) and sign just as many as everyone else. Still fosters competition while allowing UF to keep their Houlier than Thou schtick.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Oct 27, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

They were like 10 scholarships under the limit to start the year and I think transfers during a coaching switch are expected.

They could definitely sign 25+.

F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
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MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick

by tricknole on Oct 27, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is MEjr’s Mom in the picture? His grandma had custody while SR was in school. I was always under the impression he was essentially a single father.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Oct 27, 2011 11:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

x2

I think Mom was (maybe is) AWOL in Pascagoula, MS. Or maybe Gulfport? Wherever ME went to HS.

FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!

by cmk07c on Oct 27, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good catch. meant to just say perhaps dad is winning out


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 27, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man I hope so

It’s nice to have someone that influential in our corner for a change.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Oct 27, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fingers crossed.

Losing a legacy is not a slap in the face. It’s a kick in the cajones.

by CashvilleNole on Oct 27, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hope it turns out just like Christian Jones

Tons of acrimony (check) followed by a signing day announcement where a proud papa watches his boy select the good guys for himself. I might well up.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Oct 27, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

It'd be really nice to have MEJ

replace one of the 3 DE’s we’ll be losing to the NFL by the end of 2012.

Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 27, 2011 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Ugh someone has gotta teach Bjoern the value of the FSU degree

2013 DL. Talent level only matched by its level of inexperience.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Oct 27, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

We damn sure better make the most of 2012.

Gonna be big questions on both sides of the ball in 2013.

Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 27, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, and a tough schedule.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 27, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

@CU
@UF
@WVU
@, ahem, Wake
Nevada???

What’s the coastal slate?

Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 27, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

VT @Doak and @GT

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by AMFKNole on Oct 27, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

5 loseable road games.

Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 27, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wake should be at the bottom of their 4 year cycle. Also hopefully Jimbo learned a lesson and will not take them lightly again. So I’ll call it 4. But that doesn’t deal with the loseable home game (VT). Looking at a tough record that year.

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by AMFKNole on Oct 27, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't know about the rest of their roster,

but they will have a 4th year starting QB and I will forever more consider that game @ Wake….loseable. No reason they should beat us, but we can certainly lose it.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 27, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahem...

My bad.

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by Dogrel on Oct 27, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

QB, G, FB

Running the ball should be fun.

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by AMFKNole on Oct 27, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Besides schedule & luck (injuries)

the only obstacle is above the shoulders. I hope our returning players have learned this lesson this year.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Oct 27, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

2013 DL

Our DE will be inexperienced (assuming Werner leaves early) but our DT situation should be incredibly good (especially if McDaniel RS next year and returns in 2013 (big IF, I know)

by newdynastynole on Oct 27, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Questions at CB, too.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 27, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I expect McDaniel back for 2012

All hands on deck. Meaning 2013 DT is Jernigan, Erving, bunch of guys who won’t have a lot of experience. We’ll be deep but inexperienced.

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by AMFKNole on Oct 27, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

jernigan and erving could be playing for nfl scouts.. could be nasty for OL everywhere :)

by newdynastynole on Oct 27, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

However

most of our DT’s will have been in the program for three years and I believe the reps of Jernigan and Erving will only increase from here on out. We have to get our of the WVU game though or at the very least move the game to 2014.

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by Matt Champion on Oct 27, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

unfortunately, goldman would only be in his second year in our system ;-)

by newdynastynole on Oct 27, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here on campus at the U....

There is a lot of excitement for tonight’s game, even among the law students (which primarily come from FSU and UF undergrad), so I think you will see the student section pretty packed. The Canes have also won two in a row against decent opponents, which may attract more of the fair weather fan base back to Sun Life Stadium. Finally, on a Thursday night like this our fanbase won’t be laying out at the beach or taking other day-trips like you typically see from South Floridians on Saturday afternoons (and which consequently hurts attendance). Thus, I think we will probably have more than 31,000 actual people in attendance (my guess is closer to b/t 40-45K). Of course, knowing our fanbase, a few rain showers or a a major traffic jam on 826 or I-95 is all it takes to deter them from making the trip to Sun Life, so I guess we will have to wait and see.

by Uknowit2309 on Oct 27, 2011 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Isn't Thursday hub-cap stealing night in Hialeah?

Due to this I predict 18k.

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by Marmaduke1 on Oct 27, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Lol

A UM fan talking about how the stars are all aligned for a “big” crowd at the game…….“closer to b/t 40-45K”.
I’m not sure if the “U” could get a full crowd if the tickets were free, their seats were fitted with pipelines to a bottomless vat of your choice of beer, Victoria Secret models brought you all-you -could eat hot dogs and peanuts, and you got to pick one of them as your designated driver to take you home after the game.

by law74 on Oct 27, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

add in some coke...

and you could have a standing room only crowd

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by phi*tau-nole on Oct 27, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you did there...

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 27, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I deliberatley left off the scUM

type of things: Coke, hookers, stolen tv’s or stero equipment, hot cars, insider trading tips, and the like. You couldn’t even make it into the stadium parking lot since all the freeeways would be backed up for 10+ miles.

by law74 on Oct 27, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just don't think our student body fits all those stereotypes

There are decent, well-educated people down here in Coral Gables. Not a bunch of hooligans. We can’t help it if our student body is too small to fill a 77K stadium. It is what it is.

by Uknowit2309 on Oct 27, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding me?

I knew a guy that was a tail gunner on a bread truck that made deliveries to various grocery stores in the UM vicinity. He quit because they never gave him more than 200 rounds of ammunition for each trip.

by law74 on Oct 27, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like 30,000-35,000 to me.

Hard to tell when there are so few and they are dispersed so evenly throughout the lower bowl and upper deck.

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by tricknole on Oct 27, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way there was 30K+ there.....even the bottom was wide open.

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by DRusso97 on Oct 28, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really, really with I had the street cred to post on EDSBS

That comment section is always full of win.
#maybeoneday

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 27, 2011 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Those guys own the internet

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Oct 27, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone else having the issue on the Mobile site where they can’t see any subjects just the comments?

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Oct 27, 2011 1:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

You have to click on the subject line like it's a link and it will open up the comment

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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 27, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just about to ask the same thing. Yes

by BeNole on Oct 27, 2011 2:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Reversed for me…I just see screen names and no comments.

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by CornNole on Oct 27, 2011 4:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Bud

I’d like to hear YOUR thoughts and gut feeling about the Mario Edwards Jr.(Super Mario) situation.

by ChiefOceola on Oct 27, 2011 4:37 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

Well, I'm not Bud, but....

j/k.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 27, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry

I’m new here and joined because I was really impressed with the amount of knowledge and insight displayed by everyone here. I put your in bold only because I saw Alot of great input from others and was interested in hearing what Bud had to say about it. I did not want to offend anyone. I respect everyone that posts here a great deal.

by ChiefOceola on Oct 27, 2011 5:28 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

You didn't offend anyone dude!

Lots of great people here and lots of folks that enjoy joking around with each other.

Welcome to the site and really hope you enjoy your stay.

Bud is pretty good about answering these things when he runs across them, btw.

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by Nattylite on Oct 27, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa, Chief.

Lesson #1…..NEVER take me seriously. Welcome!

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 27, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry

I’m new here and joined because I was really impressed with the amount of knowledge and insight displayed by everyone here. I put your in bold only because I saw Alot of great input from others and was interested in hearing what Bud had to say about it. I did not want to offend anyone. I respect everyone that posts here a great deal.

by ChiefOceola on Oct 27, 2011 5:17 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I think it will be a dogfight to the end. FSU is not out of it, but it’s not comfortable.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Appreciate the welcome. I will try to be a worthy contributor.

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