Florida State Football Preview: N.C. State Wolfpack
The Florida State Seminoles (4-3; 2-2) welcome in the N.C. State Wolfpack (4-3; 1-2) to Doak Campbell Stadium. N.C. State has played Florida State closer than the experts think for ten straight games! That's irrelevant to this contest, but it is interesting.
Time: Noon | TV: ESPNU | Vegas Line: FSU -19 | Weather: Beautiful | Opposing Blogger Q&A w/ Backing The Pack
FSU is off a dominant performance against the Maryland Terrapins. N.C State has not been a better than Maryland, but they are likely better right now. Why? Injuries. N.C State has been one of the most banged up teams in the conference, and played many of its games without key defensive stalwarts. Many of those kids are finally healthy and back this week. FSU is not facing the same group of kids who got blown out by Cincinnati.
How did N.C. State get to 4-3?
These reviews are from the week of each game.
-They were unimpressive in beating Liberty
State Wake Yards/Play 6.3 6.3 Plays 67 70 Starting Field Position Own 32 Own 28 -The Wake Forest Demon Deacons took on the N.C. State Wolfpack and came away with the 34-27 victory. This was a very even game, with Wake jumping out to the big early lead, and State dominating the second half. Jim Grobe said this team would be much better than last year, and he was right. Wake is a team that simply cannot win with young players. Luckily for the Deacons, this group is much more mature. I don't think State missed Russel Wilson all that much, but they absolutely missed the top three receivers from a season ago. State also failed to run the ball like they should against an underwhelming Wake front. Wake has a very talented QB in Tanner Price. He'll be a pain to defend and will give people some trouble. N.C. State has to figure out what's going on with what was a very good defense. Massive injuries are not helping the Wolfpack.
- Beat South Alabama
NCSU CIN Plays 52 64 Yards/Play 6 6.9 CIN outgained NCSU by 15% per play Avg Field Position NCSU 22 CIN 36 -N.C. State lost to Cincinnati on national TV, 44-14. The Wolpack has a lot of problems right now, including: defensive tackle injury nightmare scenario leading to walk-ons playing meaningful snaps. Ouch. The passing game isn't bad, but the run game has not developed into what the Pack expected. That's an obvious issue without Russel Wilson. NCST doesn't miss Wilson's arm, and Wilson doesn't play defense, but he sure could run. Recap from Backing The Pack.
GT NCSU Yards/Play 6.6 5.2 Plays 64 74 GT outgained NCSU by 25% per play Avg Field Position GT 37 NCSU 27 -Georgia Tech beat the N.C. State team missing virtually all defensive players about like we expected, 45-35. N.C. State was again left to play offensive walk-ons on the defensive line. Yes, walk-ons who normally play offense were playing defensive line and attempting to defend the GT triple option. Here are your N.C. State thoughts. Pretty comprehensive there.
Tech actually held a 42-14 lead at one point int his game with 10 minutes left. After that, they seemed to really shut it down mentally and got a bit sloppy. Early in the game, though, I really thought the 19-play, 9-minute, 81-yard drive ending in no points for N.C. State really took the wind out of the Wolfpack's sails.
CMU NC State Plays 59 79 Yards/Play 7.49 5.19 CMU outgaind NCST by 44% per play Field Position CMU 33 NCSU 40 -A team outgains its opponent by a significant margin but loses the game because its offense gives the opposing offense tremendous field position thanks to a +4 turnover margin? We've seen this before. That 7.49 yards/play must be concerning to N.C. State, but the Pack has to be satisfied with its red zone efficiency (5 TDs in 6 tries). And QB Mike Glennon keeps getting better and better. Here's a CMU-NCSU postmortem. Here's BTP's game story. And here's an excellent statistical analysis showing how NC State's DC forgot how to be an defensive coordinator.
NCSU UVA Score 28 14 Plays 72 67 Yards/Play 4.8 3.7 NCSU outgained UVA by 31% per-play Field Position Own 29 Own 37 NC State was clearly the better team in this contest, as you can see by the 31% advantage per play. This game could have been a blowout in State's favor, but NCSU missed a field goal, and only scored a TD on 33% of its red-zone trips.
Neither team ran effectively in this one, but one team did pass effectively. Virginia was 11 for 35 for 125 yards and three interceptions. Awful. Mike Glennon was 20-36, for 230 and 2 INTs (3 TDs). Acceptable.
And the Wolfpack had to be better on a down-to-down basis, because its kick coverage was terrible. NCSU kicked off five times, and UVA started at its own: 50, 26, 35, 40 and 41.
NC State 28, Virginia 14 - Backing The Pack
Mike Glennon played a near-perfect first half; his throws were on target in almost every case, but he didn't get any help from the guys at the receiving end (NC State was missing two key receivers for much of the game). Brian Underwood dropped a sure TD that hit him in the hands; later on a receiver in the end zone had a ball hit him in the stomach and drop to the ground. Should have been a better afternoon for him, stats-wise, but that's so much water under the bridge. He wasn't sacked all afternoon, and though the offense stalled for a long period in the second half, they played through the drops and managed enough points to avoid a woulda-coulda-shoulda finish.
Florida State Defense v. N.C. State Offense
| NC State Offense | |||||
| Pos. | No. | Player | Ht. | Wt. | Cl. |
| LT | 79 | R.J. Mattes | 6-6 | 306 | Jr. |
| 74 | Tyson Chandler | 6-6 | 340 | *Fr. | |
| LG | 62 | Duran Christophe | 6-6 | 302 | *So. |
| 64 | Andrew Wallace | 6-5 | 304 | *Jr. | |
| C | 53 | Camden Wentz | 6-3 | 301 | Jr. |
| 50 | Cameron Fordham | 6-3 | 281 | *Fr. | |
| RG | 72 | Zach Allen | 6-3 | 322 | *Jr. |
| 73 | Andy Jomantas | 6-7 | 289 | *Fr. | |
| RT | 76 | Mikel Overgaard | 6-6 | 289 | *Sr. |
| 78 | Rob Crisp | 6-7 | 312 | So. | |
| TE | 84 | George Bryan | 6-5 | 265 | *Sr. |
| 87 | Mario Carter | 6-4 | 262 | *Jr. | |
| QB | 8 | Mike Glennon | 6-6 | 232 | *Jr. |
| 12 | Tyler Brosius | 6-3 | 233 | *Fr. | |
| HB | 24 | James Washington | 6-0 | 180 | Jr. |
| 26 | Tony Creecy | 6-0 | 196 | *Fr. | |
| FB | 49 | Tyler Purvis | 6-3 | 220 | So. |
| 44 | Logan Winkles | 6-1 | 240 | *Fr. | |
| WR | 86 | Jay Smith | 6-2 | 206 | *Sr. |
| 85 | Steven Howard | 6-2 | 200 | *Sr. | |
| WR | 6 | T.J. Graham | 6-0 | 180 | Sr. |
| 4 | Tobais Palmer | 5-11 | 175 | *Jr. | |
Offensive Style: pro-style with a commitment to an ineffective run game that sets up a very good play-action vertical passing game.
Priority #1: Stop the run.
The 'Noles should be able to do this. This offensive line isn't special and neither are the backs. It is common sense, but play-action on 3rd-&-7 is a lot less effective than play action on 3rd-&-2. And FSU can whip this offensive line with its pass rush on 3rd-&-7.
N.C. State has had a greater commitment to its run game as of late. This could be because of some greater offensive line continuity, a desire to protect the injured defense and shorten the game, or to reduce the load on the shoulders of quarterback Mike Glennon.
Despite being much more committed to the run game, the Wolfpack have not been all that successful with it. There's a lot of pulling guard type stuff. It's nothing that FSU hasn't seen. If FSU is gap sound and not over-aggressive, it should be fine.
The quarterback is very good. Very, very good. He'll play in the NFL at 6'6" ~232. Jimbo Fisher recruited him. Here's what Jimbo had to say about what he liked about Glennon:
"One thing that jumped out at you when you saw the arm count. The ball jumps out of his hand, he can drive it, he's accurate. And you met him and very intelligent, sharp, good leader. Make a very -- just a great overall person you would like to have in your organization. We were just very impressed when I saw him in the camps and the things he did. I saw him in a Nike camp one time. Very complete football player. Great size which I think is important, too, if you can have it. Big, physical, can take punches; in other words, with his body, is not a thin guy, strong guy, and has good instincts for the game. Moves in the pocket well. He's a good quarterback."
Glennon is not mobile, but he does have a cannon for an arm. That brings us to priority #2.
Priority #2: Stop the big play.
Playing defense is all about taking away what the offense does well and making them fight left handed. In this case, N.C. State is very good at vertical routes. This inexperienced receiving corps is very, very fast. But they aren't always on the same page with the QB. This is particularly true when working short and intermediate routes against zone coverage. To counteract that, State just goes deep. A lot.
FSU needs to make N.C. State be precise instead of explosive, by playing rather conservative zone coverage and making these inexperienced receivers read the defense and find the holes. Take away the deep ball.
N.C. State is not a good red-zone team. FSU cannot allow long scores and fail to leverage its great size advantage by letting N.C. State bypass the red zone.
Priority #3: if N.C. State completes the short stuff, get them on the ground.
A defensive strategy such as this is going to give up some short completions. That's fine. What's not fine is giving up the short completion and then failing to tackle. FSU needs to tackle well after the short completions.
Goals
-Limit N.C. State to less than 5.25 yards/play before garbage time
-Allow no more than four plays of 25+ yards.
-Hold N.C. State to no more than 50% TDs in the red zone.
-Force two turnovers
Florida State Offense v. N.C. State Defense
| NC State Defense | |||||
| Pos. | No. | Player | Ht. | Wt. | Cl. |
| DE | 55 | Brian Slay | 6-3 | 290 | Jr. |
| 98 | McKay Frandsen | 6-3 | 255 | Jr. | |
| DT | 91 | Markus Kuhn | 6-4 | 303 | *Sr. |
| 67 | Wayne Crawford | 6-3 | 303 | *Gr. | |
| DT | 52 | J.R. Sweezy | 6-5 | 293 | *Sr. |
| 75 | T.Y. McGill | 6-1 | 290 | Fr. | |
| SE | 92 | Darryl Cato-Bishop | 6-4 | 281 | *So. |
| 95 | Art Norman | 6-1 | 242 | *Fr. | |
| SLB | 31 | D.J. Green | 6-4 | 220 | So. |
| 45 | Michael Peek | 6-2 | 215 | Fr. | |
| MLB | 42 | Audie Cole | 6-5 | 239 | *Sr. |
| 43 | Ryan Cheek | 6-1 | 240 | *So. | |
| WLB | 35 | Terrell Manning | 6-3 | 233 | *Jr. |
| 41 | Dwayne Maddox | 6-2 | 234 | Sr. | |
| FC | 1 | David Amerson | 6-3 | 194 | So. |
| 37 | Tyrell Burriss | 5-11 | 177 | Fr. | |
| FS | 30 | Brandan Bishop | 6-2 | 210 | Jr. |
| 25 | Dontae Johnson | 6-3 | 190 | So. | |
| BS | 27 | Earl Wolff | 6-0 | 201 | *Jr. |
| 29 | Dean Haynes | 5-11 | 199 | *So. | |
| BC | 20 | C.J. Wilson | 5-11 | 187 | *Jr. |
| 2 | Rashard Smith | 5-11 | 176 | *So. | |
N.C. State's defense has been about as banged up as Florida State's offense, as I said above. This week they get a few key guys back.
The Wolfpack plays mostly zone defense, and they will blitz a lot, particularly on passing downs.
Recently, they've gone to a bigger lineup, which has paid dividends. This is a very solid front four, particularly against the run. The reserves are a bit questionable.
I think a key here will be to take advantage of spacing and taking what N.C. State wants to give.
What will N.C. State likely give? The pass on first down. I expect N.C. State to play defense much like FSU will: not allowing the big play and selling out to stop the run.
FSU has some advantages, however, that N.C. State does not. Namely, E.J. Manuel's legs. N.C. State needs an extra defender to stop Manuel's running ability. This should open up the pass on early downs. N.C. State's defensive ends aren't great pass rushers, which further lends itself to the strategy of taking what N.C. State gives on first downs.
FSU's ability to exploit this will depend on Manuel's ability to use his mind before the snap. He needs to identify the likely coverages and get FSU into the correct play on a more consistent basis.
If N.C. State loads up against the run (more defenders than FSU has blockers), Manuel needs to get to a pass play and quickly and accurately flip the ball out to one of FSU's many playmakers. Then, they must make N.C. State defenders miss in space.
If N.C. State adjusts to this and stops loading up against the run, then Manuel must identify this, check to the run play, and then FSU can run.
FSU should be able to have success with this strategy, but there will be some series in which N.C. State makes a good individual defensive play, Manuel makes the incorrect read, FSU drops a ball, etc.
And when that happens, N.C. State is going to bring the house on 2nd-&-8+ and 3rd-&-5+. They'll try to confuse FSU's offensive line and get hits on Manuel. When this happens, FSU needs to have its counters ready. One such counter to the zone blitz is to max protect (fewer guys in pass routes and more staying in to block). I like this strategy against the zone blitz for this FSU team for several reasons:
- FSU's offensive line isn't great and needs all the help it can get.
- Even if EJ Manuel gets protection, he almost never goes through four progressions, much less five. He's simply not a great reader of defenses.
- EJ has a cannon for an arm. Max protecting gives the deeper routes time to develop. More time and fewer options suits his game.
Here's a solid video of Jermaine Thomas with a great pass block:
FSU has a really, really good defense. Manuel needs to be the leader of this offense. The better he does with the mental side of the game before the snap, the less amazing physical plays he'll be called upon to make.
Goals
-At least 6.3 yards/play before garbage time.
-66%+ touchdowns in the red-zone.
-No more than 1 turnover.
-No more than 1 operational penalty (false start, lining up wrong, illegal motion)
Special Teams and Other Considerations
N.C State has poor kick coverage, but a very good return team. FSU should have an opportunity to break one here.
Prediction
I'm going with 34-22. I think NC. State will get two TDs (stopped going for two after one of the TDs) and three field goals. I like FSU to get four TDs and two field goals. If FSU gets up big, expect to see the backups because FSU plays another game on Thursday, affording just four days rest.
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Gimme some sugar, baby.
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Oct 28, 2011 1:04 PM EDT reply actions
was this really needed on the first post?
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Oct 28, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I needed it.
"FSU Football is all about speed. Hot, nasty, bad-ass speed."
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by Moojenowski on Oct 28, 2011 1:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Let's get this Halloween party started!
GO NOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gimme some sugar, baby.
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Oct 28, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Scary pic...Looks like I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue....
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Oct 28, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought it was a replay of the Michael Irvin reaction from last night.
#confused
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by shonole on Oct 28, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I tweeted that gif last night...
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Okay, the week is now complete and I'm ready for Saturday
I’m late leaving the office though, waiting for this post!
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Great to hear about the Android app. Is Rashad Greene back for this game?
by NoleadgeIsPower on Oct 28, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
Datko
Spurlock
Greene
Haulstead
Thompson
All out
on defense, jacobbi out
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Maaan...Rashad must've tweaked that ankle good.
I thought he was good to go…that sucks.
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by CornNole on Oct 28, 2011 3:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They said the pain spread to his Achilles this week in practice.
by fsunole23 on Oct 28, 2011 4:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wouldnt be surprised if, once again, its much worse than the staff suggests.
Should we just go ahead and say Greene out till Miami or the rest of the season? I cant decide.
by cerebralfish on Oct 28, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the quicker we learn not to expect anyone back ever, the better
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by CornNole on Oct 28, 2011 8:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Loving the iPhone SB Nation app
Keeps me in the loop while I am mobile!
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Wonder how much NC State
will Run Blitz
Seminole Game Day -- "All the trash talkin' stops, when the spear drops."
Ya
They should test us up front for sure. Im thinking we see a lot of dump off’s and swing passes. Sure wish RG was playing
I'm only 31
Go Noles
Go Bucs
He better put more mustard on them this week than last week.
some just so slow, i gasp and cringe when they float over
Everybody relax, I'm here.
That’s what I’m thinking… Im just hoping we can counter run blitzing
Seminole Game Day -- "All the trash talkin' stops, when the spear drops."
I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing alot of Mr. Bubbles on Sat.
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by CornNole on Oct 28, 2011 3:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"-Limit N.C. State to less than 5.25 yards/play before garbage time"
weve held much better teams to 5yds/play this season. hopefully we crush their souls to the tune of 3yds/play
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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 28, 2011 1:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Which better offenses? OU, but this won’t be an OU atmosphere.
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What did we hold Duke and Maryland to?
Thought they were better on “O” than NC State?
I don’t think they are, honestly.
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Appreciate your thoughts as to why you rate them higher
Yardage numbers and “Outsiders” have the other two as better.
Not true.
NCSU 50th
MD 65th
Duke 64th
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/fplus2011
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This "Outsiders" gets confusing
S&P offensive (10/22) has
Wake…64
Duke….66
Maryland……69
NC State……79
And the total yards(including garbage) has Duke and Maryland ahead of NC State.
Which one should we go by?
F/, it’s the blending of S&P and FEI
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final question
I know at some point in the season we should move from one to the other.
What index do we start with and when should we start looking at the other?
i like s&p+ earlier better. fei evens out later.
f/+ is best
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Starting to bring back memories
of my damn calculus or physics classes….F/, S&P, fei…when does E=MC2 come in?
None of that gibberish really matters. All that matters is the final score on the scoreboard. Word.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I still trust S&P a little more than FEI
But there’s not much separation between any of those offenses, either by per-down or per-drive.
Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 28, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly my thoughts
Not much difference for any teams in the 50-70 range
uAYA for those three teams
NCSt – 5.14
Duke – 5.11
Mary – 4.98
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I prefer the OCET myself
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by CornNole on Oct 28, 2011 3:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Interesting. What about FSU?
Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 28, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If FSU keeps going
with the D giving up the fewest or next to the fewest yards per play against NC State then we should set our goal at no worse than 4.8
Liberty…… 4.8
WF………… 6.3
S Ala…….. 6.6
Cin……….. 5.2
GT………… 5.2
CMU…….. 5.0
UVA……….4.7
Comparing these #'s from the NC State
web site doesn’t match the numbers above. I’ll go back and see what the difference is but is there a “garbage” element coming into play?
are they different on off. from being injured?
Or is it primarily D… ie these numbers arent deceptive cause they are a diferent team?
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by truecolors on Oct 28, 2011 8:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's a pretty good differential.
Doesn’t look like a 4-3 team.
Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 28, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I am still not over that one...
I can certainly accept OU, and everything considered going into Clemson, I can excuse a 5 point loss to a potential NC team.
But that Wake game? That BETTER be our one WTF game for the year…similar to NCST or UNC last year.
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That Wake loss still makes mewant tobreak things.
I’m running out of stuff.
Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 28, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely a good diff.
Last year the gross numbers were O- 5.71 and D-4.25
Not that big a difference in the D-uAYA from last year to this point this year. We’ve done much better on a ypp basis, but the lack of turnovers isn’t helping.
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I personally think Glennon has been improving week by week.
by FredGarvin...NoleProstitute on Oct 28, 2011 2:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Really.
What does your log-in name mean? I’m almost scared to find out.
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
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It’s a Dan Akroyd character from Saturday Night Live. Google Fred Garvin and you’ll get the idea. Safe for work.
by FredGarvin...NoleProstitute on Oct 28, 2011 2:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I love SNL
and Dan is a great old school comic..
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
It was much funnier when I had no idea what it was
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by CornNole on Oct 28, 2011 3:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Will answer in character in standard a, 2, d format in future.
by FredGarvin...NoleProstitute on Oct 28, 2011 6:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"Force turn--over"?
What is this?
If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.
It's like an apple turn-over
but like, the star wars version
by NolenRyan on Oct 28, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
BWAHAA
Made me get some dirty looks from the Colonel on this one.
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- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
Is there any team in the nation that has had the injuries and lack of turnover luck like FSU?
"Kill a fly with an axe"
injuries? yes. injuries and turnover luck? not sure. not man.
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Should we go ahead and count RG out until Miami or the season?
Although I agree with keeping the extent of the injuries close to the vest I really dont feel like watching Jimbo tell us how RG is progressing week after week with no sign of him. He must be hurt much worse than they let on.
by cerebralfish on Oct 28, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Hope this doesn't stay competitive deep into the 4th
But not holding my breath. Would be nice to have a couple of guys fresh for next week. Of course a win this week would also be nice.
by BayNole9 on Oct 28, 2011 1:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
We're doomed to fail one "key"
“Force two turnovers.”
We need to walk before we run…..go with(a) force a turnover or (b) win the turnover battle.
Two may require divine intervention.
this
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by truecolors on Oct 28, 2011 8:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We shouldn't be beating a team this bad (and they're bad WITH all of their injured players)
by 12. I am befuddled/betwixt/astounded/perplexed about how our expectations have become so low.
Fun fact of the day: We’ve held every opponent we’ve played to their worst or 2nd worst offensive performance of the year to date.
Another fun fact: EJ isn’t injured.
We shouldn’t be expecting this awful, awful team to be within 30 of us. If they didn’t have Glennon, my prediction would be 56-0.
As it is, 47-13.
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
Perhaps you got lost on your way to the Alabama fan page?
by NoleadgeIsPower on Oct 28, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I got lost one time in alabama.
Now I avoid traversing that state at all costs.

by FEARspear on Oct 28, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As an Alabama native and current resident I feel qualified to say this is NOT what Alabamians look like.
No one is wearing crimson.
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by Jamil Dawson on Oct 28, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
You’re way wrong with your assessment of N.C. State. I think we agree FSU is very good.
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I understand that this probably runs contrary to what I said (in terms of them sucking even WITHOUT injuries)
but they are 81st in the country (79th on offense and 66th on defense) according to the S&P+. Sure they would be a bit better without the injuries but the disparity in talent between these two teams is indisputable. Our defense has showed a lack of discipline at times, but even so, they have improved consistently, AND remain markedly more talented and infinitely more deep than the Wolfpack.
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
50th in the official outsiders measure on offense, 96th on defense.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/fplus2011
We know how that defensive measure got there. And we know they were a very good D a year ago.
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Thanks for the link
No idea what the hell I was looking at.
Certainly this team has suffered some bad luck, but as they are, this D is a joke.
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
at one point they were playing a walk-on fullback and a walk-on guard at defensive tackle and end.
This D has some high quality players.
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That is pretty bad... But high quality for their programs standards or high quality in general?
Is there even a single player on their defense that would compete for a starting position here?
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
in general. really like the safeties, some of the dl, the 6’4 backer
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Which players from their D would get significant PT at FSU?
by NoleadgeIsPower on Oct 28, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
CB Amerson and and the LB Cole are better than the starters we have at their positions meaning 5 and 13 or 11 for that matter.
#5 is not a starter.
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the D is what scares me... not so
Much glenon
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by truecolors on Oct 28, 2011 8:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We'll see how well they cover 5 WR sets.
How good is their 5th best cover guy in their zone scheme? I’d say if their DE’s cant rush the passer very well like you suggested, Jimbo will spread them all over the field to eliminate the “bring the house” option.
by cerebralfish on Oct 28, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
EJ has some major, major holes in his game. DCs will start to exploit them.
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Ponder-like leap from starter year 1 to year 2?
by BayNole9 on Oct 28, 2011 2:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
EJ doesn't seem to have IT....
IT being some sort of confidence in the pocket. He seems very anxious all the time (except in interviews…he’s pretty smooth there).
I agree with you on that but that still does not mean he can’t be an exceptional college QB b/c he has the amazing running ability. Look at what Pryor was able to accomplish last year with less ability in the pocket than EJ.
Its easy to have more confidence in the pocket when you know one is there
Ponder had a healthy Datko in addition to Hudson and McMahon on his OL to block for him. This cant be understated.
Agreed, I just see it being this team. The DC can draw up all the gameplans in the world but I haves erious doubt as to whether the players they have at their disposal can execute
EJ is no longer injured and can run more, and as we all know, adds a dimension to our offense that even the best defenses have trouble with (and I think that we can agree NC State doesn’t fall into that category). Devonte has stepped up, slightly taking away that void of a dimension and so now we resume more of the 3-dimensional offense (pass, run, qb run) that gives opposing DC’s BIG problems.
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
*Don't see it being this team
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
The JT pass block is so great
That defensive end is lining up, digging in, trying to look cool, probably talking trash, and then bam! You dropped something -yourself.
The OL Men (Snider?) is left trying to find someone else to hit.
by sdw345 on Oct 28, 2011 1:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Believe its Bobby Hart isn't it?
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Oct 28, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Thought you meant next to Hart
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I'm not sure who he meant
I just know its awesome when Hart is about to engage the DE and all of a sudden he disappears
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by SteadfastNole on Oct 28, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, hahah
after jermaine drops him, the other two oline men who trip over the dL on the play look like they are asking themselves, well what do we do now?
by origiNOLEone on Oct 28, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
'Twas a thing of beauty...
I am what time, circumstance, history, have made of me, certainly, but I am also, much more than that.- James Baldwin
Law of averages says at some point NC State is due for a blowout
FSU 41
NC State 17
by Jonathan Loesche on Oct 28, 2011 2:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Stay away from casinos
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
-H.L. Mencken
I say 34-17...
I think we score 2 early, struggle in the second half after they make defensive adjustments. I then think we end up running the ball late in the 3rd and into the 4th and ware out their depth ravaged DL.
I just don’t think our D gives up more that 2 TDs and a FG. I just have faith in this defense. The O can still use some improvement but they are making strides every week. I think we could really use Greene’s YAC potential in the open field. But i think the hungry DFree and reborn Thomas are due for another big performance.
Yes NC State is due a blowout at our hands. YOUNOLEIT!
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banged up
NC State is still missing starting running back and full back. I’m thinking that will mean we will dominate there running game and we will be able to just focus on the pass. Elite D will win another one.
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I named my first born "Bud Elliott". She will thank me when she is older~
#rememberthefive
by slc.nole on Oct 28, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
WHAT IS THE PIC??!!
I hate gov computers…. I’m always wondering what everyone laughs at when people post pictures and I am forced to look on my cell. Which makes me have to leave the building and then causes me to want to smoke…. I HATE smoking but have been doing my best to quit. So for me can someone describe this pic…
#thanksbye
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by YouNoleIt on Oct 28, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A creepy little girl with Osceola face paint sitting on a stuffed horse.
With a caption that reads “Only the dead have seen the end of war”.
Cryptic.
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it is "Horsegirl of the Apocolypse"
I named my first born "Bud Elliott". She will thank me when she is older~
#rememberthefive
Thanks all above...
so it is indeed awesome. I will check it out on google images. Hopefully its there.
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
I wasn't sure if he was familiar with it or not.
Nice job.
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No I am familiar with the meme...
Just haven’t seen the face paint rendition. Don’t know why I never thought of doing it myself. But thanks… any idea what the first pic posted on the first post on this post was?
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
its a zooming gif of "OMG / rage face"
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#rememberthefive
Zooming .gif of OMG face.
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I think you just described me.
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by Jamil Dawson on Oct 28, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
A plato quote
A casual stroll through the mental asylum shows that faith does not prove anything...Nietzsche
How good bad music and bad reason sound when one marches against an enemy...Nietzsche
Anyone else glad this game is at noon?
Not being able to tailgate, I hate waiting for the late games. Plus it gives us that much more rest for Thursday’s game.
Does JF really concentrate on the run here?
Reasoning if FSU runs it down NCSta’s throat—-shortens game, rests the D…and overall rest for team before Thurs?
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Oct 28, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I would hope so
NC State seems fairly easy to gash on paper. If they have a strength on D it is the secondary so running early to set up the pass make alot of sense. I’d love to see JT really take control in this game. He had maybe the best game of his career 2 years ago to the day aganist NC State in Doak. I want to say he went over 2 bills on them that day but don’t quote me.
It is nice knowing if I should enjoy or hate the rest of the games on
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by SteadfastNole on Oct 28, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Its also nice to start at drinking rally at 10am....MtnStd
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The older I get
The more I like noon games. I am up at 7 most mornings anyways now. Even if the game is at 3:30 or 8 I’ll still be drinking. I just don’t feel as bad now and have an excuses to drink right away. As long as we don’t have too many noon games or multiple ones in a row I’m fine w/ them.
damn dude
are you sure it’s not “the older I get the more I drink”? :)
Pretty Much
Actually, I drink the same amount that I used to on Saturdays. Now I actually take it easy on Fridays so I am ready to go first thing come game day.
drinking fans
with a fsu football scheduling problem
by rythefly on Oct 28, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The worst part about this game time
Is having to listen to Dick Peaubert on the drive home. Unless someone knows a UGA broadcast in the Tally/Panama City area.
I wish I wasn't too
cheap to spring for the cable package with espnu =/ Guess it’s online again with TN to keep me company!
I wish damn DISH network would upgrade ESPNU to the High Def package. It's been available in HD forever, yet DISH won't expand it for some reason.
by lawdy15 on Oct 28, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not a viable solution...
I tried this to get the Charleston Southern game, but ESPNU games are not included.
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by CornNole on Oct 28, 2011 5:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol you need to be nicer to your xbox
I get ESPNU games no problem.
Gospel
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by Jamil Dawson on Oct 28, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
duede dont just watch tv...
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by truecolors on Oct 28, 2011 8:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think this is essentially a repeat of what we've seen the past two weeks score-wise
I’m actually a little more interested in what JAWJA is going to do to the Turds.
Bud, good stuff
BTW, I just caught you on 99.9 The Fan here in Raleigh, NC. Good to hear a Seminole on the radio.
by patriotnole on Oct 28, 2011 4:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Thanks! Hope it sounded OK.
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yeh, they have a good show....but I try to stream Jeff Cameron when I'm in the office
Hope to hear you more on The Fan.
by patriotnole on Oct 28, 2011 4:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This man is on to an interesting concept...
I ALWAYS bet against FSU. It’s like paying for wins. Anytime they don’t cover or lose you win money to soften the blow.
Anybody know who the announcers for tomorrow are?
by NoleFrenzy on Oct 28, 2011 5:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Here's hoping it's not Pam Ward.
#HeatherDenichPartDeux
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If it was HD, at least we could distinguish who was talking.
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by BenDNole on Oct 28, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If it was HD
Dish Network wouldn’t need to upgrade ESPNU feed.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
The deep ball scares me a little bit for this game
NC State WR T.J. Graham(21+YPC) is one of the fastest players in the ACC. If Glennon doesn’t have accuaracy issues it could be a long day for our secondary.
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by Michael@TN on Oct 28, 2011 5:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
G5
will get a chance to show the amplitude of his skills
but he does fine when hes in 3-deep as a saftey
In man he misjudges for days
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by truecolors on Oct 28, 2011 8:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Are you implying his skills are periodic?
Hope this is a max. positive showing.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 28, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Just don’t let them do it via scheme.
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3 deep all day?
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by truecolors on Oct 28, 2011 8:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
NCSU has a skinny RT?? Me like-y
1 way to shut down a stud TE is to make him stay home to help block 280lbs of angry Kraut…..
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If they don't beat this team soundly it will be a concern
Hopefully they keep giving the ball to Freeman. He has two back to back 100 yards games and is one of five FSU freshman backs to do that. He has something going they should push it.
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Hmm.... I don't like giving up 22 pts.
We’ve never won a game in the JF era when our D gives up more than 20 pts.
Well hopefully we don't plan on running the Y-stick
since it’s all over espon
Hasn't Jimbo's love of the smash concept been everywhere for the last two years and weren't we still able to run that effectively?
I think these plays are designed to be effective unless the D really sells out against the pass. The problem is having a QB that can make good decisions during the play and that can also effectively diagnose coverages and check into different plays pre-snap.
I haven’t been paying attention to the offensive play-calling with EJ under center, but I don’t expect to see a lot of Y-stick anyways. It was really effective for Ponder because every skill player is a passing option and he made great decisions. However, assuming Bud’s point above about EJ having trouble progressing through a lot of reads, this doesn’t matter as much for EJ. Each receiver might sell his route better, but there are better ways of doing that than leaving only 5 guys to block, especially with a struggling OL…
Really liking these previews.
Good job guys.
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