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Florida State Football Preview: N.C. State Wolfpack

The Florida State Seminoles (4-3; 2-2) welcome in the N.C. State Wolfpack (4-3; 1-2) to Doak Campbell Stadium. N.C. State has played Florida State closer than the experts think for ten straight games! That's irrelevant to this contest, but it is interesting.

Time: Noon | TV: ESPNU | Vegas Line: FSU -19 | Weather: Beautiful | Opposing Blogger Q&A w/ Backing The Pack

FSU is off a dominant performance against the Maryland Terrapins. N.C State has not been a better than Maryland, but they are likely better right now. Why? Injuries. N.C State has been one of the most banged up teams in the conference, and played many of its games without key defensive stalwarts. Many of those kids are finally healthy and back this week. FSU is not facing the same group of kids who got blown out by Cincinnati. 

How did N.C. State get to 4-3?

These reviews are from the week of each game.

-They were unimpressive in beating Liberty

State Wake
Yards/Play 6.3 6.3
Plays 67 70
Starting Field Position Own 32 Own 28

-The Wake Forest Demon Deacons took on the N.C. State Wolfpack and came away with the 34-27 victory. This was a very even game, with Wake jumping out to the big early lead, and State dominating the second half. Jim Grobe said this team would be much better than last year, and he was right. Wake is a team that simply cannot win with young players. Luckily for the Deacons, this group is much more mature. I don't think State missed Russel Wilson all that much, but they absolutely missed the top three receivers from a season ago. State also failed to run the ball like they should against an underwhelming Wake front. Wake has a very talented QB in Tanner Price. He'll be a pain to defend and will give people some trouble. N.C. State has to figure out what's going on with what was a very good defense. Massive injuries are not helping the Wolfpack.

- Beat South Alabama

  NCSU CIN
Plays 52 64
Yards/Play 6 6.9
CIN outgained NCSU by 15% per play
Avg Field Position NCSU 22 CIN 36

-N.C. State lost to Cincinnati on national TV, 44-14. The Wolpack has a lot of problems right now, including: defensive tackle injury nightmare scenario leading to walk-ons playing meaningful snaps. Ouch. The passing game isn't bad, but the run game has not developed into what the Pack expected. That's an obvious issue without Russel Wilson. NCST doesn't miss Wilson's arm, and Wilson doesn't play defense, but he sure could run. Recap from Backing The Pack.

GT NCSU
Yards/Play 6.6 5.2
Plays 64 74
GT outgained NCSU by 25% per play
Avg Field Position GT 37 NCSU 27

-Georgia Tech beat the N.C. State team missing virtually all defensive players about like we expected, 45-35. N.C. State was again left to play offensive walk-ons on the defensive line. Yes, walk-ons who normally play offense were playing defensive line and attempting to defend the GT triple option. Here are your N.C. State thoughts. Pretty comprehensive there. 

Tech actually held a 42-14 lead at one point int his game with 10 minutes left. After that, they seemed to really shut it down mentally and got a bit sloppy. Early in the game, though, I really thought the 19-play, 9-minute, 81-yard drive ending in no points for N.C. State really took the wind out of the Wolfpack's sails.  

CMU NC State
Plays 59 79
Yards/Play 7.49 5.19
CMU outgaind NCST by 44% per play
Field Position CMU 33 NCSU 40

-A team outgains its opponent by a significant margin but loses the game because its offense gives the opposing offense tremendous field position thanks to a +4 turnover margin? We've seen this before. That 7.49 yards/play must be concerning to N.C. State, but the Pack has to be satisfied with its red zone efficiency (5 TDs in 6 tries). And QB Mike Glennon keeps getting better and better.  Here's a CMU-NCSU postmortem. Here's BTP's game story. And here's an excellent statistical analysis showing how NC State's DC forgot how to be an defensive coordinator.

  NCSU UVA
Score 28 14
Plays 72 67
Yards/Play 4.8 3.7
NCSU outgained UVA by 31% per-play
Field Position Own 29 Own 37

NC State was clearly the better team in this contest, as you can see by the 31% advantage per play. This game could have been a blowout in State's favor, but NCSU missed a field goal, and only scored a TD on 33% of its red-zone trips.  

Neither team ran effectively in this one, but one team did pass effectively. Virginia was 11 for 35 for 125 yards and three interceptions. Awful. Mike Glennon was 20-36, for 230 and 2 INTs (3 TDs). Acceptable. 

And the Wolfpack had to be better on a down-to-down basis, because its kick coverage was terrible. NCSU kicked off five times, and UVA started at its own: 50, 26, 35, 40 and 41.  

NC State 28, Virginia 14 - Backing The Pack

Mike Glennon played a near-perfect first half; his throws were on target in almost every case, but he didn't get any help from the guys at the receiving end (NC State was missing two key receivers for much of the game). Brian Underwood dropped a sure TD that hit him in the hands; later on a receiver in the end zone had a ball hit him in the stomach and drop to the ground. Should have been a better afternoon for him, stats-wise, but that's so much water under the bridge. He wasn't sacked all afternoon, and though the offense stalled for a long period in the second half, they played through the drops and managed enough points to avoid a woulda-coulda-shoulda finish.

Florida State Defense v. N.C. State Offense

NC State Offense
Pos. No. Player Ht. Wt. Cl.
LT 79 R.J. Mattes 6-6 306 Jr.
  74 Tyson Chandler 6-6 340 *Fr.
LG 62 Duran Christophe 6-6 302 *So.
  64 Andrew Wallace 6-5 304 *Jr.
C 53 Camden Wentz 6-3 301 Jr.
  50 Cameron Fordham 6-3 281 *Fr.
RG 72 Zach Allen 6-3 322 *Jr.
  73 Andy Jomantas 6-7 289 *Fr.
RT 76 Mikel Overgaard 6-6 289 *Sr.
  78 Rob Crisp 6-7 312 So.
TE 84 George Bryan 6-5 265 *Sr.
  87 Mario Carter 6-4 262 *Jr.
QB 8 Mike Glennon 6-6 232 *Jr.
  12 Tyler Brosius 6-3 233 *Fr.
HB 24 James Washington 6-0 180 Jr.
  26 Tony Creecy 6-0 196 *Fr.
FB 49 Tyler Purvis 6-3 220 So.
  44 Logan Winkles 6-1 240 *Fr.
WR 86 Jay Smith 6-2 206 *Sr.
  85 Steven Howard 6-2 200 *Sr.
WR 6 T.J. Graham 6-0 180 Sr.
  4 Tobais Palmer 5-11 175 *Jr.

Offensive Style: pro-style with a commitment to an ineffective run game that sets up a very good play-action vertical passing game.

Priority #1: Stop the run.

The 'Noles should be able to do this. This offensive line isn't special and neither are the backs. It is common sense, but play-action on 3rd-&-7 is a lot less effective than play action on 3rd-&-2. And FSU can whip this offensive line with its pass rush on 3rd-&-7.

 

N.C. State has had a greater commitment to its run game as of late. This could be because of some greater offensive line continuity, a desire to protect the injured defense and shorten the game, or to reduce the load on the shoulders of quarterback Mike Glennon.

Despite being much more committed to the run game, the Wolfpack have not been all that successful with it. There's a lot of pulling guard type stuff. It's nothing that FSU hasn't seen. If FSU is gap sound and not over-aggressive, it should be fine.

 

The quarterback is very good. Very, very good. He'll play in the NFL at 6'6" ~232. Jimbo Fisher recruited him. Here's what Jimbo had to say about what he liked about Glennon:

"One thing that jumped out at you when you saw the arm count. The ball jumps out of his hand, he can drive it, he's accurate. And you met him and very intelligent, sharp, good leader. Make a very -- just a great overall person you would like to have in your organization. We were just very impressed when I saw him in the camps and the things he did. I saw him in a Nike camp one time. Very complete football player. Great size which I think is important, too, if you can have it. Big, physical, can take punches; in other words, with his body, is not a thin guy, strong guy, and has good instincts for the game. Moves in the pocket well. He's a good quarterback."

Glennon is not mobile, but he does have a cannon for an arm. That brings us to priority #2.

Priority #2: Stop the big play.

Playing defense is all about taking away what the offense does well and making them fight left handed. In this case, N.C. State is very good at vertical routes. This inexperienced receiving corps is very, very fast. But they aren't always on the same page with the QB. This is particularly true when working short and intermediate routes against zone coverage. To counteract that, State just goes deep. A lot. 

FSU needs to make N.C. State be precise instead of explosive, by playing rather conservative zone coverage and making these inexperienced receivers read the defense and find the holes. Take away the deep ball.

N.C. State is not a good red-zone team. FSU cannot allow long scores and fail to leverage its great size advantage by letting N.C. State bypass the red zone. 

Priority #3: if N.C. State completes the short stuff, get them on the ground. 

A defensive strategy such as this is going to give up some short completions. That's fine. What's not fine is giving up the short completion and then failing to tackle. FSU needs to tackle well after the short completions.

Goals

-Limit N.C. State to less than 5.25 yards/play before garbage time

-Allow no more than four plays of 25+ yards.

-Hold N.C. State to no more than 50% TDs in the red zone.

-Force two turnovers

Star-divide

Florida State Offense v. N.C. State Defense

NC State Defense
Pos. No. Player Ht. Wt. Cl.
DE 55 Brian Slay 6-3 290 Jr.
  98 McKay Frandsen 6-3 255 Jr.
DT 91 Markus Kuhn 6-4 303 *Sr.
  67 Wayne Crawford 6-3 303 *Gr.
DT 52 J.R. Sweezy 6-5 293 *Sr.
  75 T.Y. McGill 6-1 290 Fr.
SE 92 Darryl Cato-Bishop 6-4 281 *So.
  95 Art Norman 6-1 242 *Fr.
SLB 31 D.J. Green 6-4 220 So.
  45 Michael Peek 6-2 215 Fr.
MLB 42 Audie Cole 6-5 239 *Sr.
  43 Ryan Cheek 6-1 240 *So.
WLB 35 Terrell Manning 6-3 233 *Jr.
  41 Dwayne Maddox 6-2 234 Sr.
FC 1 David Amerson 6-3 194 So.
  37 Tyrell Burriss 5-11 177 Fr.
FS 30 Brandan Bishop 6-2 210 Jr.
  25 Dontae Johnson 6-3 190 So.
BS 27 Earl Wolff 6-0 201 *Jr.
  29 Dean Haynes 5-11 199 *So.
BC 20 C.J. Wilson 5-11 187 *Jr.
  2 Rashard Smith 5-11 176 *So.

N.C. State's defense has been about as banged up as Florida State's offense, as I said above. This week they get a few key guys back.

The Wolfpack plays mostly zone defense, and they will blitz a lot, particularly on passing downs. 

Recently, they've gone to a bigger lineup, which has paid dividends. This is a very solid front four, particularly against the run. The reserves are a bit questionable. 

I think a key here will be to take advantage of spacing and taking what N.C. State wants to give.

What will N.C. State likely give? The pass on first down. I expect N.C. State to play defense much like FSU will: not allowing the big play and selling out to stop the run. 

FSU has some advantages, however, that N.C. State does not. Namely, E.J. Manuel's legs. N.C. State needs an extra defender to stop Manuel's running ability. This should open up the pass on early downs. N.C. State's defensive ends aren't great pass rushers, which further lends itself to the strategy of taking what N.C. State gives on first downs.

FSU's ability to exploit this will depend on Manuel's ability to use his mind before the snap. He needs to identify the likely coverages and get FSU into the correct play on a more consistent basis. 

If N.C. State loads up against the run (more defenders than FSU has blockers), Manuel needs to get to a pass play and quickly and accurately flip the ball out to one of FSU's many playmakers. Then, they must make N.C. State defenders miss in space. 

If N.C. State adjusts to this and stops loading up against the run, then Manuel must identify this, check to the run play, and then FSU can run. 

FSU should be able to have success with this strategy, but there will be some series in which N.C. State makes a good individual defensive play, Manuel makes the incorrect read, FSU drops a ball, etc.

And when that happens, N.C. State is going to bring the house on 2nd-&-8+ and 3rd-&-5+. They'll try to confuse FSU's offensive line and get hits on Manuel. When this happens, FSU needs to have its counters ready. One such counter to the zone blitz is to max protect (fewer guys in pass routes and more staying in to block). I like this strategy against the zone blitz for this FSU team for several reasons:

  1. FSU's offensive line isn't great and needs all the help it can get.
  2. Even if EJ Manuel gets protection, he almost never goes through four progressions, much less five. He's simply not a great reader of defenses.
  3. EJ has a cannon for an arm. Max protecting gives the deeper routes time to develop. More time and fewer options suits his game. 

Here's a solid video of Jermaine Thomas with a great pass block:

FSU has a really, really good defense. Manuel needs to be the leader of this offense. The better he does with the mental side of the game before the snap, the less amazing physical plays he'll be called upon to make.

Goals

-At least 6.3 yards/play before garbage time.

-66%+ touchdowns in the red-zone.

-No more than 1 turnover. 

-No more than 1 operational penalty (false start, lining up wrong, illegal motion)

Special Teams and Other Considerations

N.C State has poor kick coverage, but a very good return team. FSU should have an opportunity to break one here.

Prediction

I'm going with 34-22. I think NC. State will get two TDs (stopped going for two after one of the TDs) and three field goals. I like FSU to get four TDs and two field goals. If FSU gets up big, expect to see the backups because FSU plays another game on Thursday, affording just four days rest.

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by Moojenowski on Oct 28, 2011 1:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I tweeted that gif last night...

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by DRusso97 on Oct 28, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, the week is now complete and I'm ready for Saturday

I’m late leaving the office though, waiting for this post!

by LilburnNole on Oct 28, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Why not use the SB Nation iphone App?!

If you’re an android guy like myself, the android app will be up by Christmas


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great to hear about the Android app. Is Rashad Greene back for this game?

by NoleadgeIsPower on Oct 28, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

Datko
Spurlock
Greene
Haulstead
Thompson

All out

on defense, jacobbi out


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Loving the iPhone SB Nation app

Keeps me in the loop while I am mobile!

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by BossNole on Oct 28, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wonder how much NC State

will Run Blitz

Seminole Game Day -- "All the trash talkin' stops, when the spear drops."

by FSU on Oct 28, 2011 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d blitz heavily.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya

They should test us up front for sure. Im thinking we see a lot of dump off’s and swing passes. Sure wish RG was playing

I'm only 31

Go Noles
Go Bucs

by Old Buc on Oct 28, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

He better put more mustard on them this week than last week.

some just so slow, i gasp and cringe when they float over

Everybody relax, I'm here.

by NOLEmercy3 on Oct 28, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what I’m thinking… Im just hoping we can counter run blitzing

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by FSU on Oct 28, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interested to see how trying to get the game closed out early changes the way we play. E.J. seems to want to throw the ball deep a lot and early. I feel like we get frustrated when things don’t work early a la the Wake Forest game or the series after the first two TDs in the MD game.

by Weasie on Oct 28, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

45-17 FSU

'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'

by jskipnole on Oct 28, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

He meant double negative.

"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"

- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)

by YouNoleIt on Oct 28, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean, "You mean, revert"

Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.

by fmnole on Oct 29, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

"-Limit N.C. State to less than 5.25 yards/play before garbage time"

weve held much better teams to 5yds/play this season. hopefully we crush their souls to the tune of 3yds/play

>>>─────;;─►

by NorFla_Nole on Oct 28, 2011 1:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Which better offenses? OU, but this won’t be an OU atmosphere.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

What did we hold Duke and Maryland to?

Thought they were better on “O” than NC State?

by law74 on Oct 28, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think they are, honestly.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Appreciate your thoughts as to why you rate them higher

Yardage numbers and “Outsiders” have the other two as better.

by law74 on Oct 28, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not true.

NCSU 50th
MD 65th
Duke 64th
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/fplus2011


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

This "Outsiders" gets confusing

S&P offensive (10/22) has
Wake…64
Duke….66
Maryland……69
NC State……79

And the total yards(including garbage) has Duke and Maryland ahead of NC State.
Which one should we go by?

by law74 on Oct 28, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

F/, it’s the blending of S&P and FEI


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

final question

I know at some point in the season we should move from one to the other.
What index do we start with and when should we start looking at the other?

by law74 on Oct 28, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like s&p+ earlier better. fei evens out later.

f/+ is best


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

None of that gibberish really matters. All that matters is the final score on the scoreboard. Word.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Oct 28, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still trust S&P a little more than FEI

But there’s not much separation between any of those offenses, either by per-down or per-drive.

Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 28, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly my thoughts

Not much difference for any teams in the 50-70 range

uAYA for those three teams
NCSt – 5.14
Duke – 5.11
Mary – 4.98

Formerly known as 'stilts'

by BenDNole on Oct 28, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I prefer the OCET myself

Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.

by CornNole on Oct 28, 2011 3:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Interesting. What about FSU?

Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 28, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

FSU

O-uAYA – 6.29
D-uAYA – 4.03

Formerly known as 'stilts'

by BenDNole on Oct 28, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

If FSU keeps going

with the D giving up the fewest or next to the fewest yards per play against NC State then we should set our goal at no worse than 4.8

Liberty…… 4.8
WF………… 6.3
S Ala…….. 6.6
Cin……….. 5.2
GT………… 5.2
CMU…….. 5.0
UVA……….4.7

by law74 on Oct 28, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comparing these #'s from the NC State

web site doesn’t match the numbers above. I’ll go back and see what the difference is but is there a “garbage” element coming into play?

by law74 on Oct 28, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

are they different on off. from being injured?

Or is it primarily D… ie these numbers arent deceptive cause they are a diferent team?

"Don't bite your friends" - DJ Lancerock

by truecolors on Oct 28, 2011 8:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That's a pretty good differential.

Doesn’t look like a 4-3 team.

Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 28, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not at all.

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by CornNole on Oct 28, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am still not over that one...

I can certainly accept OU, and everything considered going into Clemson, I can excuse a 5 point loss to a potential NC team.

But that Wake game? That BETTER be our one WTF game for the year…similar to NCST or UNC last year.

Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.

by CornNole on Oct 28, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

That Wake loss still makes me want to break things.

I’m running out of stuff.

Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 28, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely a good diff.

Last year the gross numbers were O- 5.71 and D-4.25

Not that big a difference in the D-uAYA from last year to this point this year. We’ve done much better on a ypp basis, but the lack of turnovers isn’t helping.

Formerly known as 'stilts'

by BenDNole on Oct 29, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

We're 6th in the nation in ypp

And 115th in turnover margin

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by BenDNole on Oct 29, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I personally think Glennon has been improving week by week.

by FredGarvin...NoleProstitute on Oct 28, 2011 2:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Really.

What does your log-in name mean? I’m almost scared to find out.

"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"

- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)

by YouNoleIt on Oct 28, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a Dan Akroyd character from Saturday Night Live. Google Fred Garvin and you’ll get the idea. Safe for work.

by FredGarvin...NoleProstitute on Oct 28, 2011 2:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I love SNL

and Dan is a great old school comic..

"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"

- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)

by YouNoleIt on Oct 28, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will answer in character in standard a, 2, d format in future.

by FredGarvin...NoleProstitute on Oct 28, 2011 6:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

"Force turn--over"?

What is this?

If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.

by Kazoonole on Oct 28, 2011 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

BWAHAA

Made me get some dirty looks from the Colonel on this one.

"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"

- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)

by YouNoleIt on Oct 28, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awful...

SMH but holding in laughter…

Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.

by CornNole on Oct 28, 2011 3:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Is there any team in the nation that has had the injuries and lack of turnover luck like FSU?

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on Oct 28, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

BC’s injury situation has been really bad

Seminole Game Day -- "All the trash talkin' stops, when the spear drops."

by FSU on Oct 28, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

injuries? yes. injuries and turnover luck? not sure. not man.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should we go ahead and count RG out until Miami or the season?

Although I agree with keeping the extent of the injuries close to the vest I really dont feel like watching Jimbo tell us how RG is progressing week after week with no sign of him. He must be hurt much worse than they let on.

by cerebralfish on Oct 28, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope this doesn't stay competitive deep into the 4th

But not holding my breath. Would be nice to have a couple of guys fresh for next week. Of course a win this week would also be nice.

by BayNole9 on Oct 28, 2011 1:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

We're doomed to fail one "key"

“Force two turnovers.”
We need to walk before we run…..go with(a) force a turnover or (b) win the turnover battle.
Two may require divine intervention.

by law74 on Oct 28, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

this

"Don't bite your friends" - DJ Lancerock

by truecolors on Oct 28, 2011 8:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

We shouldn't be beating a team this bad (and they're bad WITH all of their injured players)

by 12. I am befuddled/betwixt/astounded/perplexed about how our expectations have become so low.

Fun fact of the day: We’ve held every opponent we’ve played to their worst or 2nd worst offensive performance of the year to date.

Another fun fact: EJ isn’t injured.

We shouldn’t be expecting this awful, awful team to be within 30 of us. If they didn’t have Glennon, my prediction would be 56-0.
As it is, 47-13.

"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher

by Sem1nole on Oct 28, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

You’re way wrong with your assessment of N.C. State. I think we agree FSU is very good.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand that this probably runs contrary to what I said (in terms of them sucking even WITHOUT injuries)

but they are 81st in the country (79th on offense and 66th on defense) according to the S&P+. Sure they would be a bit better without the injuries but the disparity in talent between these two teams is indisputable. Our defense has showed a lack of discipline at times, but even so, they have improved consistently, AND remain markedly more talented and infinitely more deep than the Wolfpack.

"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher

by Sem1nole on Oct 28, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

50th in the official outsiders measure on offense, 96th on defense.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/fplus2011

We know how that defensive measure got there. And we know they were a very good D a year ago.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the link

No idea what the hell I was looking at.

Certainly this team has suffered some bad luck, but as they are, this D is a joke.

"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher

by Sem1nole on Oct 28, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

at one point they were playing a walk-on fullback and a walk-on guard at defensive tackle and end.

This D has some high quality players.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is pretty bad... But high quality for their programs standards or high quality in general?

Is there even a single player on their defense that would compete for a starting position here?

"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher

by Sem1nole on Oct 28, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

in general. really like the safeties, some of the dl, the 6’4 backer


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which players from their D would get significant PT at FSU?

by NoleadgeIsPower on Oct 28, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

CB Amerson and and the LB Cole are better than the starters we have at their positions meaning 5 and 13 or 11 for that matter.

by ONOLE05 on Oct 28, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

#5 is not a starter.

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by DRusso97 on Oct 28, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

the D is what scares me... not so

Much glenon

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by truecolors on Oct 28, 2011 8:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

We'll see how well they cover 5 WR sets.

How good is their 5th best cover guy in their zone scheme? I’d say if their DE’s cant rush the passer very well like you suggested, Jimbo will spread them all over the field to eliminate the “bring the house” option.

by cerebralfish on Oct 28, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

EJ has some major, major holes in his game. DCs will start to exploit them.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ehhh.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

EJ doesn't seem to have IT....

IT being some sort of confidence in the pocket. He seems very anxious all the time (except in interviews…he’s pretty smooth there).

by rythefly on Oct 28, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you on that but that still does not mean he can’t be an exceptional college QB b/c he has the amazing running ability. Look at what Pryor was able to accomplish last year with less ability in the pocket than EJ.

by ONOLE05 on Oct 28, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its easy to have more confidence in the pocket when you know one is there

Ponder had a healthy Datko in addition to Hudson and McMahon on his OL to block for him. This cant be understated.

by WPNoleJ on Oct 28, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

absolutely


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, I just see it being this team. The DC can draw up all the gameplans in the world but I haves erious doubt as to whether the players they have at their disposal can execute

EJ is no longer injured and can run more, and as we all know, adds a dimension to our offense that even the best defenses have trouble with (and I think that we can agree NC State doesn’t fall into that category). Devonte has stepped up, slightly taking away that void of a dimension and so now we resume more of the 3-dimensional offense (pass, run, qb run) that gives opposing DC’s BIG problems.

"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher

by Sem1nole on Oct 28, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

*Don't see it being this team

"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher

by Sem1nole on Oct 28, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The JT pass block is so great

That defensive end is lining up, digging in, trying to look cool, probably talking trash, and then bam! You dropped something -yourself.

The OL Men (Snider?) is left trying to find someone else to hit.

by sdw345 on Oct 28, 2011 1:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Faircloth


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thought you meant next to Hart


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure who he meant

I just know its awesome when Hart is about to engage the DE and all of a sudden he disappears

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on Oct 28, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea, hahah

after jermaine drops him, the other two oline men who trip over the dL on the play look like they are asking themselves, well what do we do now?

by origiNOLEone on Oct 28, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

'Twas a thing of beauty...

I am what time, circumstance, history, have made of me, certainly, but I am also, much more than that.- James Baldwin

by BossNole on Oct 28, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone else notice

the o-lineman that sits on him after he fell?

by BetaNole85 on Oct 28, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say 34-17...

I think we score 2 early, struggle in the second half after they make defensive adjustments. I then think we end up running the ball late in the 3rd and into the 4th and ware out their depth ravaged DL.

 I just don’t think our D gives up more that 2 TDs and a FG. I just have faith in this defense. The O can still use some improvement but they are making strides every week. I think we could really use Greene’s YAC potential in the open field. But i think the hungry DFree and reborn Thomas are due for another big performance.

Yes NC State is due a blowout at our hands. YOUNOLEIT!

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- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)

by YouNoleIt on Oct 28, 2011 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

34-17

Sounds about right for what I’ve seen from this team the past few weeks and the fact that NC state is healthier. A bigger margin than that would entail a better performance than Maryland.

by ONOLE05 on Oct 28, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

banged up

NC State is still missing starting running back and full back. I’m thinking that will mean we will dominate there running game and we will be able to just focus on the pass. Elite D will win another one.

by ChiefOceola on Oct 28, 2011 2:20 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

WHAT IS THE PIC??!!

I hate gov computers…. I’m always wondering what everyone laughs at when people post pictures and I am forced to look on my cell. Which makes me have to leave the building and then causes me to want to smoke…. I HATE smoking but have been doing my best to quit. So for me can someone describe this pic…

#thanksbye

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by YouNoleIt on Oct 28, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

A creepy little girl with Osceola face paint sitting on a stuffed horse.

With a caption that reads “Only the dead have seen the end of war”.

Cryptic.

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by shonole on Oct 28, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

it is "Horsegirl of the Apocolypse"

I named my first born "Bud Elliott". She will thank me when she is older~
#rememberthefive

by slc.nole on Oct 28, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks all above...

 so it is indeed awesome. I will check it out on google images. Hopefully its there.

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- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)

by YouNoleIt on Oct 28, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't sure if he was familiar with it or not.

Nice job.

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by shonole on Oct 28, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

No I am familiar with the meme...

Just haven’t seen the face paint rendition. Don’t know why I never thought of doing it myself. But thanks… any idea what the first pic posted on the first post on this post was?

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- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)

by YouNoleIt on Oct 28, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

its a zooming gif of "OMG / rage face"

I named my first born "Bud Elliott". She will thank me when she is older~
#rememberthefive

by slc.nole on Oct 28, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zooming .gif of OMG face.

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by shonole on Oct 28, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks...

I was hoping it would be awesome.

"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"

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by YouNoleIt on Oct 28, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

A plato quote

A casual stroll through the mental asylum shows that faith does not prove anything...Nietzsche

How good bad music and bad reason sound when one marches against an enemy...Nietzsche

by DocHoliday2 on Oct 28, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone else glad this game is at noon?

Not being able to tailgate, I hate waiting for the late games. Plus it gives us that much more rest for Thursday’s game.

by rythefly on Oct 28, 2011 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does JF really concentrate on the run here?

Reasoning if FSU runs it down NCSta’s throat—-shortens game, rests the D…and overall rest for team before Thurs?

"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"

by BigSpearDiplomacy on Oct 28, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would hope so

NC State seems fairly easy to gash on paper. If they have a strength on D it is the secondary so running early to set up the pass make alot of sense. I’d love to see JT really take control in this game. He had maybe the best game of his career 2 years ago to the day aganist NC State in Doak. I want to say he went over 2 bills on them that day but don’t quote me.

by ONOLE05 on Oct 28, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is nice knowing if I should enjoy or hate the rest of the games on

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on Oct 28, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its also nice to start at drinking rally at 10am....MtnStd

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by slc.nole on Oct 28, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The older I get

The more I like noon games. I am up at 7 most mornings anyways now. Even if the game is at 3:30 or 8 I’ll still be drinking. I just don’t feel as bad now and have an excuses to drink right away. As long as we don’t have too many noon games or multiple ones in a row I’m fine w/ them.

by nolejam9 on Oct 28, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn dude

are you sure it’s not “the older I get the more I drink”? :)

by StM on Oct 28, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty Much

Actually, I drink the same amount that I used to on Saturdays. Now I actually take it easy on Fridays so I am ready to go first thing come game day.

by nolejam9 on Oct 28, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

drinking fans

with a fsu football scheduling problem

by rythefly on Oct 28, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The worst part about this game time

Is having to listen to Dick Peaubert on the drive home. Unless someone knows a UGA broadcast in the Tally/Panama City area.

by vickers8 on Oct 28, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish I wasn't too

cheap to spring for the cable package with espnu =/ Guess it’s online again with TN to keep me company!

by StM on Oct 28, 2011 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Get an Xbox360 account

by vickers8 on Oct 28, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a viable solution...

I tried this to get the Charleston Southern game, but ESPNU games are not included.

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by CornNole on Oct 28, 2011 5:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Gospel

Formerly known as Florida State Jay.

by Jamil Dawson on Oct 28, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yemen

I actually switched to DIRECTV for this sole reason!

by YeahCumon on Oct 28, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

duede dont just watch tv...

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by truecolors on Oct 28, 2011 8:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think this is essentially a repeat of what we've seen the past two weeks score-wise

I’m actually a little more interested in what JAWJA is going to do to the Turds.

by NoleLaw on Oct 28, 2011 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Give me

UGA-2.5 all day. Can’t see them losing this game. I know Brantley gives UF a fighting chance but hard to imagine them winning. Don’t see Brantley making nearly enough plays in the passing game to keep them in it. I’ll go 20-10.

by ONOLE05 on Oct 28, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bud, good stuff

BTW, I just caught you on 99.9 The Fan here in Raleigh, NC. Good to hear a Seminole on the radio.

by patriotnole on Oct 28, 2011 4:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Thanks! Hope it sounded OK.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adam and Joe or David Glenn?

Would have liked to have caught you on their show.

by NC Nole on Oct 28, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adam and Joe.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are typically good hosts.

Good stuff. Will try and see if they have the interview archived!

by NC Nole on Oct 28, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool. Please do.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

This man is on to an interesting concept...

I ALWAYS bet against FSU. It’s like paying for wins. Anytime they don’t cover or lose you win money to soften the blow.

by Weasie on Oct 28, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Danny Kanell.

Not sure who he’s with

Formerly known as 'stilts'

by BenDNole on Oct 28, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's hoping it's not Pam Ward.

#HeatherDenichPartDeux

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by shonole on Oct 28, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha.

So true.

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by shonole on Oct 28, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it was HD

Dish Network wouldn’t need to upgrade ESPNU feed.

Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.

by fmnole on Oct 29, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

The deep ball scares me a little bit for this game

NC State WR T.J. Graham(21+YPC) is one of the fastest players in the ACC. If Glennon doesn’t have accuaracy issues it could be a long day for our secondary.

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by Michael@TN on Oct 28, 2011 5:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

G5

will get a chance to show the amplitude of his skills

by YeahCumon on Oct 28, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you implying his skills are periodic?

Hope this is a max. positive showing.

Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 28, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just don’t let them do it via scheme.


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by Bud Elliott on Oct 28, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 deep all day?

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by truecolors on Oct 28, 2011 8:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

NCSU has a skinny RT?? Me like-y

1 way to shut down a stud TE is to make him stay home to help block 280lbs of angry Kraut…..

P.S. – 41-16. Play it until they stop it.

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by DRusso97 on Oct 28, 2011 7:34 PM EDT reply actions  

If they don't beat this team soundly it will be a concern

Hopefully they keep giving the ball to Freeman. He has two back to back 100 yards games and is one of five FSU freshman backs to do that. He has something going they should push it.

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by DocHoliday2 on Oct 28, 2011 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmm.... I don't like giving up 22 pts.

We’ve never won a game in the JF era when our D gives up more than 20 pts.

by revival on Oct 28, 2011 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Hasn't Jimbo's love of the smash concept been everywhere for the last two years and weren't we still able to run that effectively?

I think these plays are designed to be effective unless the D really sells out against the pass. The problem is having a QB that can make good decisions during the play and that can also effectively diagnose coverages and check into different plays pre-snap.

I haven’t been paying attention to the offensive play-calling with EJ under center, but I don’t expect to see a lot of Y-stick anyways. It was really effective for Ponder because every skill player is a passing option and he made great decisions. However, assuming Bud’s point above about EJ having trouble progressing through a lot of reads, this doesn’t matter as much for EJ. Each receiver might sell his route better, but there are better ways of doing that than leaving only 5 guys to block, especially with a struggling OL…

by MWM Nole on Oct 29, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really liking these previews.

Good job guys.

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by FSUvaFan on Oct 29, 2011 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Especially the goals section and then the later piece on how close we were to achieving them.

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