Opponent Blogger Q&A: Blogger So Dear
Game preview to come at Noon
We are very fortunate to have an excellent network of team-specific blogs to talk with during game weeks. This week's edition of our 2011 Opposing Blogger Q&A feature is a chat with our friends from Wake Forest at Blogger So Dear. Editor RAJohnston was kind enough to answer some questions about the Demon Deacons for us ahead of Saturday's game.
TN: This year's Demon Deacon team is off to a 3-1 start that could easily have been 4-0. What are the expectations for the season like around Winston Salem right now? Has this start raised them from say, one of bowl eligibility at the beginning of the season?
BSD: The mood around Winston is pretty good right now. Coming into the year most people did not expect much from the team. That sounds awful to say, but it is true because of how terrible we were last year. Obviously we all want to be 4-0, but sitting at 3-1 right now is pretty unexpected from most fans. From here on out, making a bowl is still our #1 priority. If we can win on Saturday, the bar may be set a little higher, but for now I think 6-7 wins is what we need to aim for. The schedule in front of us is still very difficult. FSU this week, VT next week, @ UNC a couple of weeks later, ND and @ Clemson later on. That's not an easy schedule, but with Duke, Maryland, and Vandy left, there are definitely 3 games that we can win left on the schedule.
Personally, I would be very pleased with a bowl of any kind. It would serve as a great jumping off point for next couple of years when we can make serious runs at the Atlantic Division title.
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TN: Josh Harris averaged a solid 5.8 yards/carry last season as a freshman. This year has yet to see Harris return to last year's form. Why has this been the case, given that Wake has a relatively veteran offensive line?
BSD: There are a few reasons why our rushing offense hasn't really been up to par in my opinion. The offensive line has done a superb job in pass blocking. Almost all of the sacks have been coverage sacks, and they have been a huge part in the success of the passing game this year. The rush blocking has been pretty bad though. Pass blocking and rush blocking are two very different things obviously. I don't want to say that it is not in our hog mollies nature to be extremely aggressive against the defense, but I do believe that they are better suited to sit back and let the defense come at them, rather than getting out and hitting somebody.
Another possibility is the type of blocking that we are doing. In years past we have varied between zone blocking, and a type of cut blocking (the kind that Georgia Tech gets everybody up in arms over). For smaller lines, cut blocking works very well because it allows the players to take out the legs of the bigger guys, and hit a bit lower to stop the momentum of the d-line. The zone blocking requires more of a traditional style of blocking, and depends on the reads of the guys up front to fulfill their assignments, and really make the correct reads at the LOS. I'm not saying that the guys up front are dumb or anything, but something has been off with the zone blocking, and it seems like even when they do make the right reads and blocks, the hole isn't hit by Harris or Pendergrass. This is one of the biggest lines we have ever had, and sometimes size can be a detriment if they are pulling and swinging out to make zone blocks.
Coach Grobe mentioned a couple of weeks ago that he thought our receivers could improve their blocking a little more in running plays instead of simply going through the motions. They block well on the bubble screens we run, but not so much on the actual running plays. As Coach Fisher said on Monday, Wake Forest is also just one or two blocks away from springing long runs on nearly every single play.
I also think that Harris could do a better job of hitting the holes in front of him instead of trying to bounce everything outside. Running north and south is something that he can work on, and something that I think Brandon Pendergrass does quite well. I expect the running game to pick up over the next few games, because we are still looking to run first and throw second (153 run plays, 144 pass plays this year).
TN: Wake Forest's defense features a front seven that operates at a significant size disadvantage. How do the Deacs scheme around this and do you expect the front seven to hold up against Florida State's offensive line?
BSD: Wake Forest uses the size disadvantage up front to their advantage. As perverted as that sounds, it is what we want to do scheme-wise. We switched to a 3-4, but not a traditional 3-4 where we have a huge DT in the middle to stuff up the run with two O-linemen. With our size we can be extremely versatile and use the quickness to bring blitzes from all angles. I know in the past Bud has been critical of Nikita Whitlock's size and said that he is just too small, but I just have to disagree with him. On pass plays he is extremely disruptive and demands a double team on nearly every single play. The biggest problem right now is coming from lack of depth right there. Ramon Booi and Duke Mosby have both been banged up, causing Nikita to have to play way too many snaps.
I think that our D-line will do what it has done so far this year: limit the run game and contain the passing game as well as possible. Montel Harris had a fair amount of success against us last week, and I'm sure our defensive coordinators are looking to find where we went wrong up front. Hopefully we can fix that by Saturday. Neither team has been successful with the run so far this year, and if Manuel is back, it will give the Noles a big boost in the backfield. I do think we are better suited than some to contain the QB because of our speed up front. Time will tell though.
TN: Tell us about the health of Tanner Price. Has the injury limited what Wake can do with him as far as mobility, or has it had minimal effect because the offense mostly keeps him inside the pocket?
BSD: Aside from the knee sprain he suffered in the first week of the year against Syracuse (obviously that was a big injury that likely cost us the shot at 4-0), he has been very healthy. He is still wearing a knee brace (I believe), but I would say he is 95-100%. Coach Grobe has said that we are limiting the inside zone reads to keep him healthy. When y'all knocked him out last year with a concussion, that is what got him out of the game in the first place. Once again, it is hard to overstate how good our pass blocking has been this year. Price hasn't taken too many hits, and that has allowed him time to set, scan and throw successfully.
TN: Wide receiver Chris Givens has been very impressive early on. What are his strengths as a player and how will the Demon Deacons try to utilize him against a talented FSU secondary?
BSD: Chris Givens has been a phenomenal player for the Deacs early on this year. As we wrote on BSD earlier this week, Chris has a chance to have one of the best receiving years ever at Wake Forest, and consequently career-wise as well. He relies on his quickness and speed at the LOS to exploit corners that are playing too far off. The blocking gives him time to get free after a few seconds, and once he catches the ball on a slant/curl/sideline route, he has the speed and ability to get a ton of YAC. I would like to see us try to get the ball to him and Camp a little more on run plays because of how lethal they can be with the ball in their hands.
Givens has been targeted 35 times this year, and caught 27 of those balls (77.1%), with 14.2 yards per target. He also accounts for 27.3% of all passes for Wake Forest. I would like to see that get up to 33% with the talent that he has shown so far this year.
TN: What will be the keys for Wake Forest in attempting to pull an upset on Saturday?
BSD: Well first of all, we have to bring a more balanced offense to the table. If we just throw and throw and throw, I suspect that the FSU secondary will get some sacks and a couple of interceptions. That's not a slight to Tanner Price at all, just a testament to the speed and skill of the FSU defense. All of the small things are also in play: limit turnovers, limit the big plays, and be efficient with the ball.
One of the biggest things that we can improve on is our TD% inside the RZ. We are 20/22 in RZ scoring this year (91%), but sit at a 41% FG rate in the RZ. That's the 4th highest FG% in the country through last week. For a team like Wake Forest, that relies on close games and winning games in the 4th quarter, even one more TD than FG per game can be the difference in a win and a loss. For an already explosive offense, these points left out there each game could boost us to another 1-3 wins if we can grab them in the next few games.
In the first half the Deacs have gotten up early on each opponent. We have struggled to keep the foot on the accelerator though, and seem to stall out in the 2nd half with a lead. I'm not sure whether it's playcalling, or the offense tightening up to avoid mistakes, but this is certainly something that we need to work on if we want to make this a special year.
...and not that you asked, but I'll go ahead and throw out a prediction for Tomahawk Nation! I have gone back and forth on this game a few times. I'm not really sure how good Wake Forest is right now because of the schedule we have played. We are much improved from last year's 3-9 team, but we were REALLY, REALLY bad too. I'm also not sure how good FSU is. They looked pretty good at times against Oklahoma and Clemson, but they also had a lot of mental mistakes that could have cost them the game. I think FSU is a little better than most Wake fans think, but I also think that Wake Forest is a lot better than FSU fans think.
That being said, I will say 34-27 FSU. I think there will be a few FG's out there, and that will give it this score. Wake will likely come out pretty pumped up and take an early lead. Once the emotion goes down a little bit, I think the talent will take over for the 'Noles, and they will outscore the Deacs by a couple of TD's in the 2nd half to take the win. In a game this close, I think anything could swing the tides though. Look for Bud Noel to make a big play when it counts for the Deacs. If he can do that, I could see us pulling it out.
Best of luck to Florida State this weekend and the rest of the year. I am a big fan of Tomahawk Nation, and y'all do some incredible things over there!
Thanks to RAJohnston and Blogger So Dear for answering our questions! Our answers to theirs are here.
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Highly respect RA Johnston and BSD
But from a FSU fan perspective, if we give up 27 points on defense Saturday my TV screen will become my new remote holder.
What are you glorifying with your life?
by ricobert1 on Oct 6, 2011 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
I'll be in an Oregon jail for doing basically the same thing
to someone else’s TV.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 6, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ya..look..I like BSD and RA Johnston..great guy...great guy..but...
IF WE F*#&^ LOSE TO Wake Forest I WILL F#((#G LOSE IT. No more excuses. No more pitter patter. Go out and F#)^% JACK SOME MOTHERF#$%$ UP! No more BullS&# No more Jackwagon plays! Get it done! GET IT MOTHERF*&#(@% DONE!!!
Clint Trickett=Ken Dorsey 2.0
by Chief03 on Oct 6, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Seriously, no one,
FSU fans will be happy for about 10 minutes for the win, then the hate will flow if that is the final score….
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
Seems like a cool guy
But he lost me at “Total Yards”
by Nolesos Locos on Oct 6, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
If they even break wind against our defense, I'm gonna kneecap someone.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 6, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHA,
but seriously, which was the anomaly? OU or Clemson? Guess we’ll find out…
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
HA!
27 points, yup, that is exactly what I was thinking. My fan psyche is way too fragile right now to even contemplate giving up more points to Wake than Oklahoma. I would not be pleased. At all.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
I need to see a blow out, badly.
My yelling at the TV this week needs to be a lot of “Yeah, MFer’s!” “That’s right you little #$#!” “Get some!” “Who’s your MFing daddy, bi@#$@#!”
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 6, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha, that's pretty much where I'm at.
By halfway through the 2nd quarter I need FSU in complete control. Talking FSU 250 yards offense, Wake hanging around 100 and the score somewhere in the range of 24-3 FSU. If it’s 10-10 at halftime, I might have to just take a trip to Bed Bath and Beyond…
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
Take the wife to DSW and top it off with a romantic dinner for two at the O'Charley's.
#CommercialWonderland
Not only could they use the blowout, they need to start realizing their potential.
Time to walk into tobacco road high school stadiums, pop their hearts, send em to the aisles after the first drive in the 3rd quarter and steal their girlfriends.
I won’t be shocked if we don’t beat the spread, but I’ll still be frustrated.
by coonhound on Oct 6, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
hahahahaha
yes, yes, all of this. rec.
but I wonder….are there any decent girls in Winston-Salem?
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they can hang out weeeth pedro
and buy fireworks.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week." - GEN George S. Patton
("Hawks Cheer")
win….win….Win…WIN…WIN
Clint Trickett=Ken Dorsey 2.0
So BSD is hopeful for Wake to sniff a tire company bowl
and HD has them as the darkhorse going to Charlotte to play in the ACCCG.
i think heather
misunderstands the term “real life” vs the “matrix” she’s living in
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Oct 7, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
good point
There is no spoon
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Oct 7, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
What really pisses me off is that Florida State has allowed this type of thinking to permeate the conference...
Wake and BC fans really think they should be challenging for Atlantic Division Championships when they are on par with the Vanderbilt’s of the world. FSU’s suckage for the past decade has allowed them to believe that they should have a seat at the table when it comes to determining championships and that has got to stop…
Hopefully this weekend will remind them
that they did not make the starting defense.
FSU is going to take out the last two losses on WF I'm afraid.....
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if we can’t blow wake into oblivion coming out of a bye…
by nole country for old men on Oct 6, 2011 5:08 PM EDT reply actions
and no freaking scrimmages! let’s practice how to win
by nole country for old men on Oct 6, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Bring Back Jeff Bowden?
He did pretty good against Wake Forest right?….Oh wait……..nvm
Clint Trickett=Ken Dorsey 2.0
You realize the spread is 10, right?
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You think EJ is good enough to run?
Still nicked? or Flat out HEALTHY AS A HORSE and we will run him and ride him like one?
Clint Trickett=Ken Dorsey 2.0
Rumor floating
He’s not 100% and won’t play. Hope its just a rumor
If he doesn't,
we can conclude that there is an ultra-educated level of elite bettors out there who really do control the universe. Good gracious.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Fisher has yet to name EJ the starter,
video on seminoles.com said EJ would be ready ‘if called upon.’ That doesn’t exactly scream starting QB to me.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
We're saving him for an important game.
If we lose this one, the next six will be meaningless. So, we can save him for UF. He should be peachy by then.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 6, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wake and Duke we're supposed to be bye weeks for EJ and the DL.
Now they’re tough games.
Wake blows. Destroy them. Step on their throats and end it early.
I do not expect him to play.
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Nor do I
Who really thinks we need EJ to win this game? If he is reinjured we have issues later with teams he will be needed to beat, unless the running game steps out of the wayback machine.
Certainly helps the chances of winning.
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EJ's knowledge of the playbook and his legs
make our offense much better. But if we can run the ball—and there’s no excuse that we can’t against Wake’s front 7—then the game shouldn’t be close.
Championship!
yes. two weeks to get healthy and correct mistakes? i think they’ll be ready.
by nole country for old men on Oct 6, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Mr. Elliott?
Input?
Clint Trickett=Ken Dorsey 2.0
I’ve seen this rodeo before. I do not expect him to play for FSU.
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People are just way out ahead of where we really are right now
Gonna be unhappy with a 30-10 win.
And of course Wake, BC, Maryland fans are going to talk about challenging for the Atlantic division. They should, until FSU and Clemson can prove they can run the conference slate without 2-3 losses. There is nothing unrealistic about their thinking….yet.
If and when we get to the level we expect to be at (Top 5 nationally, contending for NCs) they’ll adjust their thinking.
To be fair,
it wasn’t that long ago that you suggested that EJ and the DL starters rest during the bye, Wake & Duke to get ready for Maryland and the rest of the schedule.
by coonhound on Oct 6, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Wake really came around. Duke has not.
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Ok, so don't act confused when fans expect a blowout, when it wasn't too long ago that you considered this an off-week.
What makes you think that Wake has “really come around?”
They lost to a terrible Syracuse team. This same Syracuse team that has wins against Rhode Island and Toledo (went to OT). Their two AQ wins are against two of the worst schools in the ACC: NC State and Boston College. Both of those teams are struggling with injuries and major depth issues.
FSU as a program should be significantly more than 10 points better than the Wake program. At some point, that has to translate to the field.
They were handling Cuse fairly well before collapsing with their QB got injured.
Not that this is saying too much.
Are our starters more than 10 points better than Wake? Oh yes they are!
Better question: Will the starters play the whole game to show that they’re much more than 10 points better than Wake? Oh no they won’t!
It’s a long season, and Jimbo’s managing the team like it. Now that we have some good depth, there’s no reason not to spare our starters in a blowout to keep them fresh while giving the backups some crucial game-time snaps.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
See, I don't believe that anymore.
When Jimbo explains the problems at the running game, he cites a lack of continuity with players missing time in the Spring and Summer. Why not use Wake and Duke to help fix that?
I have no doubt he will
And after we get a comfortable margin in the game, I have no doubt we’ll be working on the inside run game a LOT against both teams.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Let's just make sure we win the damn game
before Jimbo gets too worried about “managing” the season.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 6, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh yeah.
Like last year, we weren’t pulling starters until their were just a few minutes left.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Oct 6, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. Acting like we don't win
games by big margins because Jimbo wants to manage his players is non-sense. You pull starters when the game is in hand. The longer that takes, the more you risk your starters.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 6, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, and me saying FSU wins by 20 is with starters in until
close to the end.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Oct 6, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
If EJ doesn't play
my guess is it will be close in the 4th.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 6, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Clint takes a major step back from CU?
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
Is it more likely
he’ll throw for 350, with 3-4 td’s? If I’m Wake, I use my front 3 to stop the run, drop 8 into coverage.
This offense is better off with EJ and I think it might really show tomorrow.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 7, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
It's a possibility,
but if wake is able to stop FSU rushes while dropping eight, all hope is lost for this offense.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Oct 7, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
If that does happen (I don't think it will)....
Rick Trickett will officially be public enemy #1 for FSU fans.
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by CornNole on Oct 7, 2011 12:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll kill him myself
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 7, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
I’ll try anyway. Damn Marine will probably ball me up into a pretzel, but at least I’ll get my point across.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 7, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was being just
a bit sarcastic with the 3-man run stopping. Not much, though.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 7, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with everything you've said in this comment string...
We CAN w Clint, but EJ increases probability of success, because of his mobility. If we had a respectable run game, it’d be a little different, but we don’t.
I do hope Jimbo uses the beginning of 2011 as a learning experience. Some very questionable decisions from a strategic standpoint.
And yes…get up 4TD’s, THEN “scrimmage” all you like.
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by CornNole on Oct 7, 2011 12:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If Wake can stop our run game
with 3, then I think the offensive line and backs should be put in a vat of hot oil filled with the rotting remains of skunks.
If we can’t take advantage of that, then we are one very, very sorry football team and will struggle to make a bowl.
No doubt.
I just happen to feel that we’ll probably have the game in hand earlier in the day rather than later.
Of course it depends on the vagaries of the game, but we are decidedly better than Wake.
Hence my predictions for lots of depth-building time.
But if I’m wrong, I’m wrong.
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-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
I hope you're right.
But recent history (against Div I-A opponents) shows that we don’t put anybody away early. We tend to dick around with a 14ish point lead and pull away in garbage time.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 6, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
EJ shouldn't play unless he can do what he's expected to do
teams have to figure out how to win without their starters, e.g., LSU is winning without their starting QB. Our twos are just as good or better than our opponents ones.
Championship!
Yeah, they are better than expected.
At least better than I expected, but still should be an easy win.
I don't care what the spread is.
We still have an extreme advantage over Wake in level of talent and coaching. Add to this we’re a team with a bad taste in our mouth coming off a bye week. If we beat Wake by 10 I’ll be pissed.
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there you go again , Bob
being all level headed, that just doesnt fly here anymore.
by New Mexico Nole on Oct 7, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
This is Wake's super bowl, btw
Tons of B-ball alums coming back. Video board. President sitting in student section. Yeah.
>>---l>
This
is a disadvantage that FSU has in every game, and a team like Clemson doesn’t have to face.
Championship!
In 1999
That was true. But it’s 2011 and that just ain’t so any more.
Not true.
You’ve seen how they’ve waited to unveil their video board for this game? Every past basketball great in attendance? We’re still everyone’s #1 target.
This just happened to be when the video board finished
And it was our basketball madness event and varsity club weekend, which is why the basketball greats came to the game. It was a big game, but as a fan I’m not just circling the FSU game saying “ITS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG”.
Players like Noel who got shoved out the door after committing to FSU though, that’s a whole nother story, and probably the one worth writing.
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We're 10 point favorites and people are already freaking out at the thought of a non blow out?
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Yeah, it's called frustration.
Honestly, just want to see progress up front on offense, back to being solid on defense, and a win.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 6, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Curious to see what the spread was for the BYU game
after the OU blowout last year….could go down like that…
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
To me, a 10 point win says we're possibly still in fear of losing all the way into the 4th quarter.
That is flat depressing against a team who has a defensive front that averages 260 lbs.
I don't care about the final score as long
as I see us play the way we should on both sides of the ball at this stage in the process. I didn’t see this against Clemson, though I did against OU.
Championship!
If our OL can't push around their DL - and don't fool yourself, that's the only way they're in this game by the 4th quarter --
then the process is clearly derailed because our OL sucks beyond recovery.
For the love of Christ Bud, you don't seriously think that spread is as close as given...
I’m done with the bullsh*t excuses surrounding this team. I 100% believe that our second string offense AND defense should be able to play the ENTIRE game and beat Wake by 10. I actually enjoy BSD, great site, but Wake isn’t good. We sound like a bunch of p**sies making excuses for why the game might be close. We’re infinitely more talented, our personnel matchup extremely well and not a single other consideration is necessary, just as it wasn’t in the 90’s. We were just BETTER than everybody in the dynasty years and although Jimbo’s process isn’t fully implemented, we are significantly better than this team. Maybe a 10 point spread is close if that means we’re up 34-10 in the 4th and put our 14th stringers in who give up a couple scores. If we can’t run it against Wake, we won’t be able to run it at all. No more excuses. That team shouldn’t be able to score on our defense… Our offense should manhandle that tiny little front 7. I’m not even thinking about if we’ll win, but by how much, and if it isn’t by more than 2 TD’s, I and a lot of others (I’m sure) will have had it up to HERE.
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
by Sem1nole on Oct 6, 2011 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Sorry man, this ain’t the 90s. They will never come back. Other teams in the conference will never be that bad again.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 6, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Also, there were plenty of years of our dynasty when we din't have many blowouts.
In 1998 we played for a national championship and beat Wake Forest 24-7. That’s it. Unranked Mayrland 24-10. Unranked probation Miami 26-14. And of course, we lost to unranked NCSU 7-24.
Do you really think Jimbo will burn out his starters trying to blow out Wake Forest?
Or, will he rest his starters and put in the younger kids when the game is firmly in hand, give them snaps and sacrificing a little bit of margin of victory to have a better team at the end fo the year?
If you’ve been following Jimbo for a while, you know which one he’ll pick, and he’ll do it every day of the week.
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I would recommed doing the smart thing
and putting your life savings on FSU -10 for an easy win here then.
by Cee on Oct 7, 2011 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
MIght be the best post/comment I've read on TN.
I feel the same way way, i’m tired of waiting on a process. I want results, this should not even be close. I even felt this way (to an extent) this way last week.
FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!
Process is all fine and good, but....
this is a team we should KNOW we crush. If guys aren’t going into this game thinking they will garner a plethora of tomahawks to decorate their helmets then the process needs to be reexamined.
oooooh noooo! what if we dont be Wake by enough points?!
Its like UF fans complaining about not beating Vandy by enough TDs. We could blow them apart ala OU/BYU 2010 (as it was mentioned above) or we could “survive” with a 10pt win. FSU has had plenty of scrappy Ws in the past and as long as we win Ill be happy. Besides, I doubt EJ will be ready so any win with a Freshman QB would be awesome
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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 6, 2011 6:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Freudian slip?
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
-H.L. Mencken
Would you be a little concerned if you barely beat a 4 year old girl in a fight?
How about your friends watching? They be a little concerned about you?
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
I'd be concerned
if you were just in a fight with a four year old girl.
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Always lead with your left.
Confuses the hell out of kids who haven’t developed dexterity yet.
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Yeah, exactly. I'm wondering why were playing Wake.
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
Because...it's...a...conference...game?
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Lol obviously I'm being sarcastic, but I can't take a team, as light as they are in the front 7
seriously, especially when considering the defense that we have
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
Our motto for the Wake game
BEAT WAKE LIKE YOU WOULD BEAT A FOUR YEAR OLD GIRL
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Oct 7, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm thinking more along the line of
BEAT WAKE LIKE YOU WOULD A DOG THAT BIT YOUR FOUR YEAR OLD GIRL
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 7, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
that makes no sense
the spread is 10pts, thats more like, idk, say a freshman fighting a junior or senior maybe? As long as we win im happy, Wake isnt exactly a pushover, but we should still win. If its an ugly win, so be it. We still have Duke to practice on next week. oh, in case you missed it, Jimbo said EJs a gametime decision. granted, Clint is a good backup option, but if our run game doesnt get moving it could present some problems for us
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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 6, 2011 7:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would expect us to win if we punted the ball on every first down we had in the first half...
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
exactly
youre just being a reactionary fan, lets just throw reason out the window
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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 6, 2011 7:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You want reason?
We’re better than Wake. That much better. We’re a fanbase of excuse making apparently.
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
I agree
but just saying “were better” is like trying to use proportional win shares without percentages
I dont agree that were a “fanbase of excuse making.” Last year we won 31-0, I expect Wake to have improved at least somewhat. Looking at the facts and discussing how they may effect the game doesnt mean youre making excuses.
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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 6, 2011 7:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Let me preface this with....I'm a little worried about this game.
That said, there are exactly two players on Wake’s team that would see the field if playing for FSU. TWO. And we have an “all-star” cast of coaches. They do not.
If we’re really getting down to basics. That’s it.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 6, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Im with you
Im not really worried about Wake, but I take issue when people just say “oh were FSU that means we win” Its just lazy, IMO TN is the opposite of that line of thinking.
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I think you can over analyze it and lose sight of the big picture. Wake is Wake. If we believe program means something, FSU should destroy Wake.
No I get it
I just mean that if you open Maple Street Press: Seminole Kickoff 2011 youre not going to flip to the Wake Forest opponent breakdown and only see “Psshhh Wake Forest? Puhlleeaasseee” although there might be something similar to that, there will also be reasons as to why we should win.
with that being said, I hope we rape their souls and make them turn off their special new scoreboard out of embarrassment
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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 6, 2011 8:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That really would be excellent,
New board and all it shows for 60 minutes is FSU sacking Price, Prince INTS, Trickett tossing 50 yard TD strikes….
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
exactly
and the occasional sobbing Deac fan, if any are left
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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 6, 2011 8:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What's really amazing
is the disconnect among FSU fans clamoring to head to the SEC and losing sleep over losing to Wake.
It’s like thinking we are Angelina Jolie the day before a date and 30 minutes before the guy is expected to show up at the door we look in the mirrror and see Roseanne Barr staring back.
Yeah, you say that now. Wait til the line on the Duke game comes out at 14.
Then it’s, oh this could be a close one.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 6, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
EJ or not
I don’t give a rat’s behind what the spread is. Wake is a team that struggled with BC. A team that lost to Duke. The guys in vegas do their homework but so do we. And I think the spread is off. Should be 17+. The adjustment made to the line may be due to EJ not playing but the majority of it is based on overconfidence in Wake, a team that has beaten marginal teams by a total of 15 points. Adding on to that a complete loss of confidence in FSU, despite losing by a total of 15 points to a great team and an elite team. If FSU really does come out with a 10 point win, it will absolutely be a reasonable disappointment, the line be damned. If FSU doesn’t do well in this game, no run game, defense gives up 300+ passing yards (unless there is a lot of garbage time), then the season itself is in jeopardy and this team isn’t anywhere close to what we believed them to be preseason. And that is on the coaches…
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Oct 6, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This could not be closer on point to my train of thought
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
Now, after that long rant,
I will give my honest prediction (Thursday prediction, it might change tomorrow night): I see it 37-17. FSU is up 34-10 with 8-10 minutes left to go and Wake gets a garbage TD and FSU gets a garbage FG.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
You think Wake's offense is 10-17 points better or FSU's defense is 10-17 points worse?
I will be disappointed in the defense if Wake scores 10 points, garbage time or not.
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Ha, yeah,
but I’m going with 7 points coming from the offense giving them the ball inside the 10.
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I just don't see it. Wake's offense is clearly better then last year, but I can't buy they have improved that much more then FSU's defense has.
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We hope that FSU's defense has improved tremendously.
It looks like they have. It showed against OU, but was that an anomaly? Do they still need time? If Wake scores more than OU, I’m going to lose IT.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
'IT'
will be defined in this instance as “confidence in this defense and possibly the coaching staff to properly prepare the players.”
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
OU was not an anomaly......Clemson was.
FSU cannot play Defense at an OU-level week in & week out, but that showed what they are capable of.
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I am sorry but I totally disagree
Wake SHOULD be a push over for us by now…………… if we win ugly coming off a bye than this team has not made any progress……….. ugly wins are reserved for battles against top 25 teams NOT for games against Wake Forest………. and if that isn’t the expectation than we have failed as a fanbase
by PRIME25 on Oct 6, 2011 10:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Couldn't agree more
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
Yep, go get the win and start a nice run of wins here.
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Should have been a penalty
Terrance Cody’s titty, in any serious football discussion, could absolutely be considered a 12th man on the field.
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I don't laugh out loud at comments very often,
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by CornNole on Oct 7, 2011 1:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Exception to the rule.
I don’t think for one second that Wake could even sniff our jockstraps, especially coming off a bye week and with a very bad taste in our mouths.
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Just cracked a filling.
Dentist appointment tomorrow. The Universe owes me. Sorry Cake Forest.
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Rankings (D1 only)
unadjusted total offense:
Wake: 44
FSU: 94
Yikes
unadjusted total defense:
wake: 38
FSU: 20
F/+ combined
wake: 74
FSU: 22
Let’s hope the end result on the field makes us think FSU is clearly 52 spots better than wake. So let’s just use the combined rankings. Go with the unadjusted this game looks like a toss up.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
I think might Wake beats us
I have a strong suspicion that our offense will not have a good day. I pray our defense shows up and keeps Wake under 10.
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
For Dan and Ty's take on this game
go to www.solidverbal.com and listen to the newest episode. about 28ish minutes in they read my email (!) and spent a good 5 minutes on the subject of FSU, clemson, wake forest, the ACC
Always love hearing their “snarkiness” even when its directed our way
I keep thinking about one thing...
JF60 trying to get a hat on a guy who’s 245 and fast. I’m liking what I’m seeing…
I still don’t think Wake scores much in this game.
I'll
believe:
JF60 trying to get a hat on a guy who’s 245 and fast
when I see it. Krug is crap against quick guys. And crap in space. Also crap against big guys, getting off topic here… If he can actually engage the Wake D-lineman, then it will be an improvement. That’s run game we are talking about, who knows what he does against the 3-4 in the passing game with crazy blitzes. I could see him giving up 3+ sacks…
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
I think it's
‘my god that guy is so far freaking disappointing’ Just too big to fit on the jersey.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Oct 6, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather see orelus at this point
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
IMO, there's hope for him.
Could have really used a RS this year.
What are you glorifying with your life?
I've seen Trickett work wonders with far less talented players.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 6, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
This.
Absolutely. But within the season? Monumental task.
Having said that, he will be excellent in 2012.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Let's hope so, agree he should have redshirted,
but who else did the coaches have? And Trickett was raving about how good he was….that’s what I don’t get.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
If only we'd known...
I didn’t think he’d be this much of a project in his 3rd year of eligibility.
Then again, no one else did either.
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Why didn't the coaches?
They did nothing but rave about him.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 6, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Still for Trickett to rave about a guy and have that kind
of on field performance? What a giant letdown.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
Typical preseason fluff.
I think alot of us thought the new regime would be different, but it’s a common thread, methinks
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by CornNole on Oct 7, 2011 1:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Trickett didn't pass off any nonsense when he came onboard.
Pulled no punches in terms of what he had to deal with. Maybe that was because they weren’t his guys, but this is a stark contrast.
Why? WHY!!!!
WHY does this cal/oregon game have to be close. I want to go to sleep….
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
Bet Oregon fans were thinking they should be well in control of this game
going into half time…
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Oct 6, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a football game,
and it is a finite resource…
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Oct 6, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
and it was close, for a whole half.
haha, so glad I didn’t watch the second half. Sleep was way better.
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who on here is old enough to remember the 90's?
GT won a national title. UNC under Mac brown was a top 10 team!! ACC Had the same amount NC as the SEC! And we still beat those teams bye 20!Now that’s cleared up like some on herw have said it’s time to stop the silliness! If we lose to wake or it’s tight game, there will be no need for jimbo to ride the team bus back! Those who wanted Bobby’s head on a platter are the same people who are defending jimbo to the death!
by William Harpermagor1392 on Oct 6, 2011 11:22 PM EDT reply actions
That's partly because
Jimbo is still cleaning up the giant turd bobby left him.
We played 1 ACC top-10 team in the entire decade,
and it was that UNC team in 97 or 98 or whenever it was. Lets not get carried away about how good the ACC was. In the lost decade we played 7 top-10 ACC teams.
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would've been 97 (Mack's last year)
but I’m surprised that UVA wasn’t a top 10 team in 95 (when we “lost” to them)
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We weren't in the ACC when they won the MNC, so we must have missed their top 10.
I didn’t look it up to verify though.
I mean, they didn't FINISH top ten that year, but I'm sure they were highly ranked when we played them week 2.
Side note due to my randomness, I miss playing GT every year because I miss the garnet on garnet uniforms.
Looks like they finished
14th in 1998
13th in 2000
In 1999 they were preseason 10. Their highest was 7, and they finished 20.
http://www.collegepollarchive.com/football/ap/teams/by_season.cfm?teamid=63&seasonid=1999
Yeah, this is what I was thinking.
How about 1992-ish? Charlie and his old HS buddy squaring off? Sean something? I can’t remember…
Give the man at least 3 years b4 asking for his head Jeez...
Bobby was givien at least 6 when no one believed he could any longer.
by realnole1128 on Oct 7, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
THIRTY TO NOTHING AT HOME..
Now run along
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by CornNole on Oct 7, 2011 1:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wearing their efffing “conquered” shirts…ugh
by nole country for old men on Oct 7, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
FSU will be up 14-3 at halftime
and go on to win 24-10..
That’s what gut says. Gut don’t lie.
I'll take it
consider I have mucho dough on FSU -10. And -13.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 6, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
I don’t it’s Bobby’s fault Rick Tricket OL is soft!
Those OL are jimbo’s recruits he has been here 4 Years now. I to was the encourage Bobby along band wagon! Witch was the right thing! However we hired a Guy with 0 head coaching experience and its showing big time
by William Harpermagor1392 on Oct 6, 2011 11:55 PM EDT reply actions
You do realize
this is the same coach that curbstomped Miami and UF last year, led us back to the ACC title game in his FIRST year of coaching, and knocked off a good USCe team in the bowl game? DKN is right Trickett has worked wonders with far less talented players than we have now. We’ll be fine just dealt a tough hand in the schedule. If you think we would be better off with Bobby still here then you are sadly mistaken.
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by Matt Champion on Oct 7, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
CJF has only been in control for 2 years and
Disagree that his prior experience is relevant, considering we are years ahead of what we were when Bobby left us. I was a BB fan having grown up a nole as he took over the program, but seriously the past is the past. We are in better hands now.
by realnole1128 on Oct 7, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
LaMichael James is DONE for the year.
Book it.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 6, 2011 11:56 PM EDT reply actions
Badly broken arm
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 7, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
So bad espn showed the replay once
then realized how bad it looked, and didn’t show it again. Just showed James highlights so far over and over again.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 7, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
na, just a dislocation
hell probably be back
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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 7, 2011 11:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We know that now
did you see it happen? It looked really bad.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 7, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, could have gone all day without seeing that...thanks.
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Fake injury to slow down Cal’s offense IMO.
by 38Noles on Oct 7, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
does anyone forsee a three way tie in the division?
looking at the possibility of Wake pulling off a few upsets and somehow giving FSU, Clemson and Wake a three-way tie on top of the Atlantic Division.
You mean if we all end up 7-1? Or even 6-2?
You realize Wake has @FSU, VT, @UNC, and @Clemson?
Those would be (at least) 2 huge upsets. No way that happens IMO.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 7, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
you did see how bad VT was on offense right? So yeah by definition “huge” but I would not say so. And then I haven’t seen enough from UNC to know what they are about and Clemson is willing to get into shootouts with teams and sometimes you just never know.
It just seems to everyone wrote off this possibility.
I mean
I would say, while possible, it would be very, very, very unlikely they beat 2 of @UNC, @Clemson, and VT. Also Notre Dame is squeezed in there, so they would have to win that game also, since the next tiebreaker of note is overall record (after conference record, then division record).
Beating Notre Dame, @Clemson, and either VT or @UNC? No way jose.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 7, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
point's not changed
but we’re @ Wake (they’re not @ FSU).
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Why does the spread really matter?
It’s not like if we go 10-2 for the rest of the regular season anyone will say “hey, but remember they only beat Wake Forest by 10 instead of 11”.
I will absolutely be happy with just a win and no serious injuries.
I like a good blowout just as good as any other Nole fan, but to expect one (given the ground game struggles and a propensity for bone-headed penalties) is not being very reasonable in my truly humble opinion.
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by Nattylite on Oct 7, 2011 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
because I like money?
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 7, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Well yes
It matters for people placing bets. But other than that?
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Because
“Championship Caliber” teams don’t beat creampuffs by 10. A win IS the most important thing, but if we go in and beat Wake by 10 there will definitely be some struggles that we SHOULD NOT be facing against a team with inferior athletes and coaches.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
What if maybe, just maybe, Wake Forest isn't as creampuff as you think they are?
That couldn’t possibly be a possibility, could it?
I don't think Wake is a creampuff
but I do not see us winning by less that 2 touchdowns.
How quickly we forget Wake beat awful BC by a touchdown and NC State by a field goal.
Wake is not on our level. And I don’t care what any ESPN blogger says, it is not close.
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 7, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, they were picked to go 1-7 in the ACC this year. Seems reasonable to expect them to be a creampuff.
So should we go by what we thought about Wake Forest before the season or should we use the past 4 games of information to update our opinion?
I just think a big problem with our fans’ expectations is that in many cases they drastically underestimate our competition.
On that same note
should we judge FSU by the OU game or the Clemson game?
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 7, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
We should darn well take them under consideration.
Does anybody here still think that all of the preseason hype we got was justified? I mean, every bit of it?
Would we have been talking about dark-horse BCS championship runs had we known that Krug was essentially a moderately-trained dancing bear?
After watching for 4 games, it is clear we have more issues than we expected coming into the season.
by MattDNole on Oct 7, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think most of it is justified.
I just don’t know if they’re schizophrenic or the CU game was genuinely a let down.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Oct 7, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't even really know how good Clemson is, either.
They’ve played us (maybe a paper tiger?) and then a couple of other paper tigers in Auburn and VT.
rec for moderately trained dancing bear
sans tricycle.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
to quote fresh, “wake beat awful bc by a touchdown and nc state by a field goal.” does that change the opinion you had of them coming into the season? ***not sarcasm. i’m legitimitely asking
by nole country for old men on Oct 7, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Why wouldn't it?
NC State was coming off a 9 win season and was at least projected to be an 8 win team this year.
And while I had low expectations for BC this year, I didn’t think Wake Forest would be good enough to win in Chestnut Hill.
I don’t know how anyone could have watched those two games and not see anything that led them to believe Wake might not be as bad as previously thought.
Last statement nailed it
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by CornNole on Oct 7, 2011 1:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the fact that i have adjusted my opinion on bc and nc state (they’re terrible) has caused my opinion of wake to stay the same (they’re one score better than terrible).
by nole country for old men on Oct 7, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
which is why we win by 21 instead of 31
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 7, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, because Auburn didnt almost get beaten by Kentucky last year
oh wait…yes they did.
Oh, and we are NOT championship caliber yet. We should probably be in position to win the division first.
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by CornNole on Oct 7, 2011 1:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yes, this. this x10000
this is the point ive been trying to get across.
wreck this man!
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 7, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO the spread is just a product of
People seeing w&l only, and not the content of those games. If having watched the games they might see we didnt actually lose so much as being screwed a couple times real good.
Thanks DK
I predict the score of the game will be similar to the difference in the # of comments.
by jasonole59 on Oct 7, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
looks like
we’re pitching a shutout
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 7, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Q&A DK.
Thanks for sharing.
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nice job
i like your prediction as well. I expect Wake has improved since last years shutout, 13pts sounds about right
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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 7, 2011 11:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Great job as usual DK, pleasure swapping Q and A's with y'all
Best of luck tomorrow!
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by freshcollegeboy on Oct 7, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm leaning towards
The harshly critical side when it come to the D. I want to see LB gap and drop responsibility as well as our Dline reaching home more than previous weeks. Offensively, if EJ does not run the ball, due to his shoulder, I only expect about 30 pts. I believe you will see better Oline and RB play.
and would not like to see us give up more than 10 to the Deacs.
by FireRicobert on Oct 7, 2011 3:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Aren't you guys happy he ---> /\ Cane board representing for FSU fans??
It would kinda suck for us if he was regarded as the Cane Res of 7th Floor or EOTH.
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by CornNole on Oct 7, 2011 8:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At least LMB's user name made SOME kind of sense...
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