Worst officiating I have ever seen. Ever.
by Jtyler998 on Nov 12, 2011 8:14 PM EST
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PrintI've been watching FSU football for as long as I can remember, which puts my memories somewhere in the general area of the 1993 National Championship.
Never in my life have I seen worse officiating in a college football game than I did tonight in the FSU vs. Miami contest.
MIami's last drive, in which they received back-to-back roughing the passer calls, not to mention Nigel Bradham's ejection on a perfectly legal tackle...I mean...I have few, of any, words to express myself.
There were many other ridiculous calls, including Terrence Brooks' "roughing the kicker" call on the punt, which was even more blatant than Clemson's.
I'm hoping Bud et al addresses all of the calls in their tape review, but man...I had to vent.
The ejection of Nigel Bradham really, really upset me. But those two TDs that were called back early in the game...I was having a hard time not blacking out from anger.
The Miami WR caught it and made a football move, then had the ball jarred loose. Recovered by Joyner for a TD. The end.
As for the punt recovered by FSU (after Miami touched it) for a TD, I mean...I've been watching football, and playing Madden/NCAA for as long as I can remember. Once the ball is touched it is a live ball, period. Telvin Smith recovered it and ran it back for a touchdown. The end. Period. End of story.
I was wrong here. How about Karlos Williams' return that was called back on a hold against James Wilder?
I don't know if Nevin Shapiro was writing checks from behind bars, or what. And of course the officiating this season has been among the worst in ACC history, as far as FSU is concerned. But this game really hurt. This game had some of the worst, most egregious calls I have ever seen.
A win is a win, yes. And after some of the calls/no calls we've seen from the ACC this season, it's far too much to hope they'll hold these officials accountable. But as FSU fans we have to acknowledge when things are clearly working against us, especially the officials.
Lastly, congratulations to Nigel Bradham for one of the best, nastiest, most legal tackles I've seen all year. Well done, sir.
Edited now that I better understand the rules.
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It was absolutely awful
They literally did everything they could possibly do to give that game to Miami. It was all I could do to not run out onto the field and kick the piss and shit out of those crooked SOB’s.
by FloridaState on Nov 12, 2011 8:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
**Please discuss officiating in this fanshot, no other new ones about the officiating in this game**
And yes, my friends, there is much to discuss about the incredibly terrible officiating we just witnessed.
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Nov 12, 2011 8:31 PM EST reply actions
Nigel Bradham deserves an in-house FSU trophy for that hit.
by Jtyler998 on Nov 12, 2011 8:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
When Nigel got ejected and came to the sideline
the camera showed his LB coach, Greg Hudson, giving him a handshake and a huge smile!
Which looked eerily similar to last year.
When Greg Reid ran to the sideline in the MAryland game and the coaches smiled and patted him on the helemt after a horrible “defenseless player” call.
by zewhitedevil on Nov 14, 2011 6:58 AM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately, missed the coach's sideline reaction to Reid's hard (but legal) hit of the Maryland receiver last year
but don’t see how a coach could be anything but pleased with the aggressive play.
Was equally mad Saturday about the refs taking the bait when James Wilder who, while leveling a UM kick return defender with a solid pancake block, saw the player pull off an academy award-winning performance by spinning away from his block and throwing up his arms as he was being driven into the ground.
That one made me crazy
I LOVE me some JWJ and I think he’s the Thunder to the Lightning. And i want him on the field daggummit! The ref’s throw that flag and you can just watch him take his seat in the dog-house. They don’t throw that stupid flag and I believe that on 3rd and goal from the 1 we put in James the Wrecking ball for a TD, not QB option read for negative 2 yards. GRRRRR!!!
"Fedor Emelianenko is the Baddest Mother F@@@@@ on the Planet!" -- Joe Rogan.
by Aaron Tampa Nole on Nov 14, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Lot of bads calls
UM fans will point a few which benefited us. There were a few i.e ticky tack pass interference on 3rd down and the UM player getting marked at the 2 rather than a TD, but the impact and volume of the horrible calls was much worse for FSU.
That FUMBLE on the first play was a sign of things to come. I’m not sure about the punt return fumble rule, but I could have sworn that rule only applied with kick-offs not punts. Nigel’s play wasn’t even a penalty let alone ejection worthy. Also, how about the LG for UM who must have false started about 5 times without a penalty.
I think that's what ACC refs are hoping for
We can not get accustomed to this!
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted!"
Okay Tyler,
from now on you’re in charge of stating the obvious and what everyone else already knows.
by Meehl on Nov 12, 2011 8:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
the truth about the refs
So I figured out the problem: the acc accidentally hired a bunch of prostitutes instead of refs, I know this because I just watched them attempt to blow the game for 60 minutes straight
by gatorhator on Nov 12, 2011 8:46 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That's why there's a new crew after every game commentated by Craig James!
2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent
by SoCalNole on Nov 12, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
60 minutes?
WOW. Thats got to be worth at least a Benjamin
"Fedor Emelianenko is the Baddest Mother F@@@@@ on the Planet!" -- Joe Rogan.
by Aaron Tampa Nole on Nov 14, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Worst Officiating EVER.. How can you without "intent" Blow so many calls??
Just disgusting what I and those with me witnessed. There has to be something that can be done, the REFS/ACC need/have to be held accountable.
1 - 2 Jimbo's coming for you, 3 - 4 Gator’s better lock their door, 5 - 6 grap your crucifix, 7 – 8 Muschamp better stay up late, 9 - 10 never sleep again!!!
This is the stinker,
Can officials be that incompetent? Call it conspiracy theory or tin foil hat wearers, but refs have to try to be this bad.
by DoubleNickel on Nov 12, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Pathetic: Holdings Call on Wilder during Karlos Williams KO return.
It looked like that flag was throw from a ref about 60 yards from the supposed foul.
Man, I actually forgot this one.
But yeah.
Make that 21 points stolen from FSU.
14 if I am in fact wrong about being unable to advance a muffed punt.
Yeah, the punt was correct.
Probably the ONLY correct one all night!
2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent
Normally, I don't get upset about a football game
But this game was by far the worst officiated game I have ever seen. Fortunately, the right team won.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
If you ain't first, you're last.
The muffed punt was called correctly
Cannot be advanced.
However, the first play sure looked like a catch and fumble and there was no reason for a penalty on Bradham let alone an ejection.
The holding no calls were also pathetic.
I'm with you
Except for your comment on the muffed punt. You can not advance a muffed punt.
by SanDiegoSeminole on Nov 12, 2011 9:02 PM EST reply actions
Yup, but I never really understood this rule.
Does anyone know the reasoning behind it?
You already got it, but for others:
ARTICLE 6. a. If a player of the kicking team catches or recovers a scrimmage
kick that has crossed the neutral zone, the ball becomes dead (A.R. 6-3-1-IV).
The ball belongs to the receiving team at the dead-ball spot, unless the kicking
team is in legal possession when the ball is declared dead. In the latter case, the
ball belongs to the kicking team.
From http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/FR12.pdf
The ACC needs to call for a formal review of officiating.
I’m sure the ACC already reviews their officials, but there needs to be some serious talks to fix obvious problems. The status quo is not working.
The reason reviews were taking so long is that the Booth Calls
were being made from the Commissioner’s Office in Greensboro.
Ho.....ly..............Sh---------!!!!!!!!
Amateur hour in the replay booth and the mutants pretennding to know the rules and enforce them on the field……….heinous………..
ya thats great. Um, its a safety, uh, no its not…. let me check my rule book, you know that thing that we are supposed to know inside and out but apparently we are all mental midgets.
by DoubleNickel on Nov 12, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Coach Fisher had to explain the rules to them!
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
This was bad all around, not just against FSU
Those officials screwed FSU and Miami both with poor calls and missed calls. All around, definitely one of the worst officiating performances I’ve ever seen. From start to finish.
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Nov 12, 2011 9:24 PM EST reply actions
To be fair, I noticed a few bad calls against Miami, too.
But down the stretch they were practically throwing the game at Miami, and they failed to collect..
To be even fairer
Final score should have been closer to 38-7
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Nov 12, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I agree dude
Sun Belt, Big East, SEC, Big 10… who really gives a shit at this point.
Just PLEASE get us out of this basketball wuss league.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
I hope FIsher is on the phone with the NCAA
Daring them to uphold Nigel’s suspension for next game.
Video is CLEARLY showing him annihilating Byrd’s chest. If we are going to get flagged for hitting too hard, might as well take out a ref here and there just to even the playing field.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Not only did he hit Byrd squarely in the chest
but he did so by leading with his SHOULDER- WTF!
Of all the bad calls, this is the one that most made me think the fix was in.
It directly effected the outcome of the game in the clutch, and there is absolutely no way anyone could argue the hit was illegal.
"After further review.... I misinterpreted the rules..."
2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent
by SoCalNole on Nov 12, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
There were several calls and no-calls that directly affected the outcome of the game.
Final score should have looked more like 38-7
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
I dont think they called it a helmet to helmet
Just ’Illegal Contact" with ejection. But I could have heard wrong as I MAY have been attempting to land a double-leg-takedown on my HDTV. Thanks to some hands to the face from my roommate, I missed.
But seriously, its IMPOSSIBLE that they suspend him right?
"Fedor Emelianenko is the Baddest Mother F@@@@@ on the Planet!" -- Joe Rogan.
by Aaron Tampa Nole on Nov 14, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Felt like there was either a review or a flag at the end of every play - some legit, some not
In addition to what is mentioned above, I thought the UM player had a touchdown (or at least a first down) on UM’s final drive. Can’t believe how poorly this game was called. #AwfulCallConference
I also loved how the replay booth had “technical difficulties” at the beginning of the 3rd quarter. Sounds like BS to me.
I said this exact same thing at the game
Figured something went wrong and the refs didn’t immediately get their cut.
I really have a hard time believing officials are this incompetent….either the ACC told them to fuck us over or someone paid them.
/conspiracytheory
by FloridaState on Nov 13, 2011 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
he wasnt out, but his knee was down, ball around the 1.5 or 2. He actually lunged off of his knee to get the ball into the endzone. thought it was a decent call actually.
by DoubleNickel on Nov 12, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to tell, but I think it was at least a first down
Either way, I can’t see how it was “confirmed,” but I also didn’t spend a lot of time reviewing it so I could definitely be wrong.
One thing is fore sure
If this was the Cane’s best shot for the next 5 years, they’ve got a world of hurt coming their way with or without the referees.
2012
Noles 56 Canes 3
-Natty
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
more like 10-15 years
They are going to get hit HARD.
And I think the NCAA is going to give thier players Free Agency like they did to USC. Loosing the few elite underclassmen they have AND what will be some NASTY scholly reductions….
Hello UM FIU rivalry!
"Fedor Emelianenko is the Baddest Mother F@@@@@ on the Planet!" -- Joe Rogan.
by Aaron Tampa Nole on Nov 14, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
RECed for astute ANALysis
NoleDoc
See ya later gator hater
In a bowl, Seminole!
Fixed it for you...
Hello UMFIUFAU rivalry!
FIU was already well on their way to being a superior program/team within about 5 years given current trajectory….the sanctions will simply hasten it.
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yikes
I love me some rattlers, but if FAMU ever becomes our true rival on the football field, Im moving to England and learning about Rugby
"Fedor Emelianenko is the Baddest Mother F@@@@@ on the Planet!" -- Joe Rogan.
by Aaron Tampa Nole on Nov 15, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
FAMU will never be FSU's rival.......and Rugby is awesome.
I’m actually wearing a Rugby shirt right now.
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The NCAA needs to create a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for punters who flop.
I can’t stand to see this happen again.
I will even give them running into the kicker on that one as a STRETCH.
Still 4th and 1.
But deadball personal foul? WOW
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
From Rules:
1. Roughing is a live-ball personal foul that endangers the kicker or holder.
2. Running into the kicker or holder is a live-ball foul that occurs when the
kicker or holder is displaced from his kicking or holding position but is
not roughed (A.R. 9-1-16-II). Note: Running into the kicker carries a
five-yard penalty.
3. Incidental contact with a kicker or holder is not a foul
…
8. When in question whether the foul is running into or roughing, the foul
is roughing
…
b. A kicker or holder simulating being roughed or run into by a defensive
player commits an unsportsmanlike act (A.R. 9-1-16-V).
From http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/FR12.pdf
Unless they wanted to flag the kicker for simulating being roughed/run into.
Had no idea this penalty exists. Has it EVER been called?!?!
Brooks was trying to stop his momentum and get out of the way.
Upon review, it was hard to even see where they made contact.
But yeah, even if we give them the benefit of the doubt, they made the wrong call and it hurt FSU pretty severely.
And is it even worth bothering to mention all holding that went un-called?
Werner practically had his helmet yanked around backwards a few times, no flag.
don't even bother mentioning those
at this point, it is assumed we will not get those calls
by SanDiegoSeminole on Nov 12, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Wait
Nigel is suspended for the UVA game?
Roses are red, Violets are blue, If it wears orange, Kill it.
I'm wrong on this..
AUTOMATIC suspensions for fighting; otherwise, head-shots are required to be reviewed and I believe Bradham’s will be under this clause. Still don’t think there’s a chance he will be suspended, though.
Not even little league football
Have I ever seen a worse officiated game. It was ridiculous. All i can do is shake my head. I mean, where do you start. If we lose this game I don’t think i could watch any conference games as an FSU fan. I’m really scared at what the ACC officials might do in hogtown. Or did they change that rule with our series with them?
I disagree with this post
Upon review, I still disagree with this post. Them someone pointed out to me what is meant by “awful officiating”, and I now agree with this post.
by ScalpEM_TX on Nov 13, 2011 3:21 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Upon Further Review
… I concur
"Fedor Emelianenko is the Baddest Mother F@@@@@ on the Planet!" -- Joe Rogan.
by Aaron Tampa Nole on Nov 14, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Some small consolation
I happened to be at Gate A right after the game ended, this is where the officials exit through the weight room and get into vans to leave the stadium. I have rarely seen so much abuse for the refs, and certainly never after a game we won. The security seemed pretty overwhelmed, as they had probably anticipated a happy crowd that wouldn’t care much for following the refs outside.
There was a lot of cursing, gesturing, and some people even smacking the windows of the vans as they drove away. One of the officials even cursed back at the fans, though he was not actually a member of the field crew but just a guy in an ACC uniform with a clipboard (he was the douche who made a big point of getting Bradham off the field after his ejection). All of this probably won’t help us get any future calls, but for those of you wanting a piece of these clowns, I think it’s safe to say they know how we feel.
Of course I would never participate in such things myself. ;)
by 38Noles on Nov 13, 2011 3:43 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
I'm glad we didn't let the win distract us from getting in their faces.
by Nole2005 on Nov 13, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
we have our priorities right :)
"Fedor Emelianenko is the Baddest Mother F@@@@@ on the Planet!" -- Joe Rogan.
by Aaron Tampa Nole on Nov 14, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hugeofficiating mistake that's not getting talked about as much.
So FSU was blatantly robbed of two tds (Joyner’s scoop and score & KWilliams’s TD return). But you’ll notice that on Nigel Bradham’s hit an FSU D-Linemen actually intercepts the deflected pass AND THE REF WHO SEES IT SIGNALS FOR THE INTERCEPTION! So not only did the call on Bradham keep Miami’s drive going, it should have been FSU ball and the game is effectively over at that point.
by QNole on Nov 13, 2011 9:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don't know why everybody is so upset.
It’s not like any of these calls affected the outcome of the game….I mean, we did recover the onside kick to win with ease. But, if you’re still upset….follow
@ACCrefsSuck
Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 13, 2011 10:29 PM EST reply actions
Easy for you to say
since you didn’t bet on the game!
I keep trying to tell myself that
Then I think about the prospects of this same officiating crew calling the game in two weeks. Created an account that I’ll never use just to follow
by BobLoblaw113 on Nov 14, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Ejection
I am having a really hard time understanding why Bradham got tossed. The hit on the receiver was not illegal: he didnt lead with his head, he didnt leave his feet, and he didnt cause any contact to the head. Therefore to even throw a flag on this play was a bad call; its a bad judgement call (which will happen from time to time). BUT why was he thrown out? Lets forget the fact that the intial call was incorrect for a moment and for argumentative purposes say he did make an illegal helmet to helmet contact/hit……. why would that be an ejection? Shouldnt it just be 15 yards and an automatic first? Were either of the OU safeties ejected when they sandwich helmet to helmet hit Shaw? Not that I recall, but maybe I missed that since I was more concerned with if Shaw was alive or not. I see illegal hits all the time, and they usually always are followed up by a flag and a 15 yard penalty – never an ejection. I am really confussed.
by BostonNole on Nov 14, 2011 11:58 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Except that the ACC Head Official says that he did make contact to the head/neck.
It’s like that South Park where everyone is trying to get Tom Cruise to come out of the closet, and he just keeps saying, “But I’m not here, though.”
Regardless of if he did or not
Why the ejection?
The Least the ACC should do
Would be to:
Fire the crew,
Offer a public apology to FSU,
Get their tobacco-road heads out of their worthless asses and
Release us to join the SEC!!
NoleDoc
See ya later gator hater
In a bowl, Seminole!
WAIT! WAIT! WAIT!
The ACC’s Coordinator of Football Officiating is a GATOR? I’m sure many of you knew but I had no idea. Isn’t that a conflict of interest? How long has this been? There’s no way that he should have that position in a conference where a major rival is the flagship, unless we get a guy to have the same position in the SEC.
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted!"
The first fumble, I mean incomplete pass...
What bothers me the most about this blown call was the explaination of why it took so long. I believe it took over 4 minutes to overturn the call on the field. They said that there were “technical difficulties” with the replay system.
So let me get this straight, you overturn a called fumble and TD on the field with “undisbutable evidence” after overcoming technical difficulties? If that doesn’t SCREAM a bias, nothing will. As mentioned, from that moment, I knew we were in for a frustrating day. I really hate when we have to play scared of the little yellow flag!
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