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ACC reverses field after intense criticism: Bradham hit was legal

After intense scrutiny over the preposterous explanation of an egregious missed call, the ACC has pulled an about face and has ruled that Nigel Bradham's hit on Laron Byrd was completely legal.

Hear Michael Kelly (ACC associate commissioner) on Jeff Cameron.

Here is the video of the completely legal hit by Bradham that saw Bradham flagged and ejected from the best game of his career:

Here's the statement from the confernece:

By Brandon Mellor on November 14, 2011 5:58 PM | No Comments | No TrackBacks

Statement from the Atlantic Coast Conference:

The Atlantic Coast Conference Office has completed its NCAA mandated review of the play that occurred at 1:58 of the 4th quarter of the Miami @ Florida State game in which Florida State's Nigel Bradham was flagged for "Unsportsmanlike Conduct- Targeting an Opponent."

Plays involving unsportsmanlike conduct and player safety have been an increasing point of emphasis within NCAA rules based upon the American Football Coaches Association and NCAA initiatives implemented to reduce the number of concussions.

Rule 9, Section 1, Article 4 of the NCAA Football Rules states: "No player shall target and initiate contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, elbow or shoulder. When in question, it is a foul." A defenseless opponent includes a receiver whose attention is focused on receiving the ball. If the officials deem a foul flagrant, the offending player must be ejected.

Officials are required to make instantaneous decisions during high-speed game action. The officials ruled that there was question as to whether contact occurred to the head or neck area of Miami's #2 and that the action was against a defenseless player. When there is question as to the specific area of contact, in accordance with NCAA rules which requires officials to err on the side of player safety, Unsportsmanlike Conduct must be called.

Following the required video review by the Conference Office, it has been determined that the contact made by Florida State's Bradham was not to the head or neck of the receiving player nor was it flagrant. The play was a legal hit and no further action will be taken by the Conference Office.

Many have been calling for the firing of ACC Head Official Doug Rhoads. This might be a step by Rhoads to save face.

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Depends on how many times it happens, and if there is a papertrail.

by jasonole59 on Nov 14, 2011 6:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No paper trail for this douchers

just lots of video evidence.

He bleeds Garnet and Gold, She bleeds Crimson and White. AND THEY BOTH HATE ORANGE! GO NOLES!! ROLL TIDE!!

by gonolesrolltide on Nov 14, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

You must be talking about the 4:00 review of the first offensive play of the game.

If it takes that long to find indisputable evidence, the play should stand. Thus, the phrase “indisputable evidence”. If you can’t find it after the sixth time watchin the replay, it’s usually not there. But, of course, they did. No wonder Joyner spiked the ball after the pick in the endzone. Not saying it was right, but I understand.

by NoleySmokes on Nov 14, 2011 9:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Did you listen to the radio interview?

Mike Kelley clarified that the computer used for reviews wasn’t working properly during that review (they mentioned this a couple segments after that drive during the game too) and that the replay official “was convinced” to overturn it after only 30 seconds of watching film. He wouldn’t offer a direct opinion or even his interpretation of the rules on that one, so I still label it BS.

by stevib on Nov 14, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

replay isn't working, wouldn't they check that extensively pregame, who would check that

Until someone corrects me more ACC incompetence.

A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2

by PalmAireNole on Nov 14, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

right.

I think they came back in the 2nd half and said for like the whole 3rd quarter that the computer was completely off even if they wanted to replay (I’m not sure how they called for a replay on the 1st play if the thing wasn’t working…). The machine probably got sick of the incompetence it was subjected to and shut itself down.

by stevib on Nov 14, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Ya it got pretty ugly our there

BUD ELLIOTT HAS AN EGO PROBLEM.

by Old Buc on Nov 15, 2011 10:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Success!

I was over the missed call and was actually hoping our incessant pissing would get us kicked out of the conference known as acc

Saw Peter Warrick play once. The rest is history...

by polknole on Nov 14, 2011 6:16 PM EST reply actions  

I'll defend the ACC a little here. Or at least us staying in the ACC.

To me, if anything, the reversal here would seem to indicate its better to stay in the conference and try to fix things, rather than switch conferences (assuming we had the choice).

For some reason, people seem to think that if we, say, switch to the SEC, we would all of a sudden be getting all the breaks from the refs. We could go there and come to find out we get hosed WORSE by their refs. No reason to think we’d be welcome with open arms over there. Grass is always greener and all.

I’d rather be one of the big dogs in the ACC and push for changes rather than get to the SEC and be told “Welcome to the conference, now watch us screw you.”

I love HEATHER COX!!!

by GoNolzOhio on Nov 14, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Bear in mind, I was responding to polk's comment about hoping to get "kicked out

of the ACC." The oft-used phrase about the grass always being greener applies with regard to our school’s conference affiliation. Anyway, my position is not to defend the ACC, its to defend FSU’s current conference “situation.” Those are two different things.

I love HEATHER COX!!!

by GoNolzOhio on Nov 14, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not that the officials will make bad calls FOR us.

It’s that ACC officials are THE WORST year after year. And the calls will be more even.

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by tricknole on Nov 14, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

The acc has made it clear

Thay they want to be a basketball conference

BUD ELLIOTT HAS AN EGO PROBLEM.

by Old Buc on Nov 15, 2011 10:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Wow, I've never been so dissapointed with college football

Between Jo Pa, ACC officiating in general and now this.

What a corrupt bunch of people, it makes it hard to watch football

by Nole Patrol on Nov 14, 2011 6:17 PM EST reply actions  

Disappointed.

I agree NolePatrol. It gets worse. Some punk felon who kicked a defenseless US Marine in the head repeatedly….will win a National Championship this year. Sickening.

GO NOLES!
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by fsutampaguy on Nov 14, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Who are you referring to?

When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.

by Chief Pit Bull on Nov 15, 2011 2:38 AM EST up reply actions  

The LSU QuarterBack.

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by DRusso97 on Nov 15, 2011 4:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention last year's GIANT whitewashing of Cam Newton's

Pay to Play. the NCAA shat it self on that one. Not only that but he won the Heisman.

Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!

by GonzoNole on Nov 15, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Hard to issue penalties against a program when you can't find any evidence to support the allegations.

Especially not after looking for 13 months.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Nov 15, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Pffft.

NCAA has very weak investigative power. And both the NCAA and the SEC completely thumbed their noses at possible penalties against them to preserve marketability.

The NCAA created an INSANE and indefinsible loophole about parent/player awareness of being shopped (which WAS proven as it relates to Miss St), while the SEC completely ignored its own rules that explicitly mandate that a parent/guardian seeking benefits makes the player ineligible.

by arrdub on Nov 15, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

That reminds me of a joke

One night, a policeman sees a guy on a sidewalk, on his hands and knees, obviously looking for something. The policeman says, “Hey buddy, what did you lose?”
“My wallet!” says the guy.
“You sure you dropped it here?” asks the policeman.
“No, I dropped it over there in that dark alley,” said the man.
“Then what the hell are you lookin’ here for?!?” says the policeman.
The guy says, “Because the lights better here.”

Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!

by GonzoNole on Nov 15, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

The call on the field stands...

(2 minutes later) The rule was misinterpreted.
These guys need to learn the rules of football and really step their game up.
Thanks a lot ACC.

by FearTheSpear_1 on Nov 14, 2011 6:18 PM EST reply actions  

How about an apology

To Nigel Bradham? They wrongfully ejected him, a senior, from one of his last games he’ll ever play at Doak Campbell. At the very least an apology is warranted.

by NoleDBA00 on Nov 14, 2011 6:20 PM EST reply actions  

nice. :-)

Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.

by fmnole on Nov 14, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Woop!

Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!

by GonzoNole on Nov 15, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

There are some jokes that really should be off-limits.

But what do I know. I’m clueless, right?

Follow me @DKNoisewaterTN or @ACCrefsSuck.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 15, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd for:
The Refs had not so completely, and badly screwed a play up since, the 2011 Miami @ FSU game

and

but not as bad as the 1st play from scrimmage in the 2011 Miami @ FSU game

by WaimeaNole on Nov 15, 2011 4:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Can't call the game straight if its a matter of incompetance

But public apologies after every atrocious performance should at least draw more attention to the situation and hopefully get the bad ones fired or retrained.

by NoleDBA00 on Nov 14, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I find it ironic that you would spell incompetence wrong.

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
-H.L. Mencken

by devnole on Nov 14, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

now that's incompatant!

Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.

by fmnole on Nov 14, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

My grandfather suffers from that.

Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!

by GonzoNole on Nov 15, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol

This action I approve.

"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith

by numberonenole on Nov 14, 2011 7:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I've got to say something about Nigel. He's taken some knocks around here at times, and I must say that...

…he has stepped up his game this year, gotten better as the season has gone along, and has really played some of the best ball of his career. And Jesus, he’s offered a couple of the nastiest hits I’ve ever seen in my entire life this season :)

by lawdy15 on Nov 15, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes, this^ is very true.

 At the beginning of the year, I was yelling at the T.V. “Sit him down, he is hurting the team.”
 Now it is the other team he is hurting, and all I am yelling is “Ooooooooo, Damn that must have hurt!”

When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.

by Chief Pit Bull on Nov 15, 2011 4:26 AM EST up reply actions  

It didn't look like Nigel was going to leave the game.

 He had a “Na, I aint goin go no where!” kind of look to him, as he just stood there. I don’t ever remember a player taking so long to get off the field, and not being belligerent about it.

When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.

by Chief Pit Bull on Nov 15, 2011 4:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Jimbo and others were telling him to stay on the field

Hudson finally yelled at him to run off and let Jimbo sort it out.

by CCDFSU07 on Nov 15, 2011 7:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I have no idea how he didn't throw a punch

That one ref was in his face and getting nasty. I can’t say I would have left as quietly as he did.

by FSUKook on Nov 15, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank You! Rec

I have never seen anyone get tossed out of a game for that. It would have to be completely beyond flagrant to throw someone out of the game. If that was the rule, why didn’t they toss out the two Oklahoma players who hammered Kenny Shaw? Or on Greg Reid when he clocked that Maryland player? That pissed me off more than the stupid call!

Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!

by GonzoNole on Nov 15, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I sent emails, and I made phone calls to the ACC office....I'm still pissed.

How about some admission of guilt? How about an apology to the player? What is going to be done to ensure this doesn’t happen again? Any discipline to be handed out to the officiating crew?

by NoleSir on Nov 14, 2011 6:23 PM EST reply actions  

Seriously.

They not only DIDN’T apologize, they make the excuse of “officials are required to make instantaneous decisions during high-speed game action”. This is a sad excuse for an apology to a kid that’s trying to play his senior season and get a job at the next level.

Selgy

by mittens on Nov 14, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I buy the excuse for the call. The ejection was required if they were strong in their convictions, but I still view it as very wrong.

The main issue is whether Doug Rhoads actually told Corey Clark and others that the ACC stands by the call and that it was a head/neck issue. There’s some disputing that.We shall see.


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by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sick of apologies

Get it right the first time.

by BostonNole on Nov 14, 2011 6:23 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Wasn't even an apology lol

They just told us what we already knew (the hit was legal) and that they mercifully will not pursue any more action against #13.

by NoleSir on Nov 14, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

What was so great about this is....

I have sooooo come to expect this crappy officiating that is so key SOMEWHERE in our games…my wife was in Vegas, and I had her put a grand on Miami to cover cuz line was too big, and if nothin else, officials woud F#CK something up/backdoor coveer!…sure enough, like clockwork, will take my $950 profit…and run to the bank….at least these predicable shi##y refs paid for my drinks for one nite! AND we won…so suck it ACC!!! MORAL of the story, bank on these HORRIBLE calls against FSU and at least make some money off of them!

by gotbbux on Nov 15, 2011 5:02 AM EST up reply actions  

"In today's football...you just aren't going to be able to do that anymore"...that's all that needs to be said...give them pillows and tickle feathers out there

"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20

by FCANOLE on Nov 14, 2011 6:23 PM EST reply actions  

Those sumo wrestling balloon suits would work

All players would be nicely padded.

Drops, fumbles, and stuff might drastically increase, but hey, you can’t have everything.

by Invictus13 on Nov 14, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

not if we put velcro on the ball and their hands

maybe a spot on their chests, for the big fellas

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Nov 14, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

This is good not because it clears Nigel, but because it increases the awareness of TV announcers and outsiders that the ACC referees are incompetent and may lead to more people questioning questionable calls.

While this may not be unprecedented, it is not the norm and could result in more pressure being placed on the ref’s to get the call right and call a fair game.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Nov 14, 2011 6:23 PM EST reply actions  

completely agree...

wish Jimbo would take a small fine and complain about the refs..I would be willing to donate to a ref complaint fund.

Never work Retail!!!!!!

by phi*tau-nole on Nov 14, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

On the other hand

There is a very real possibility that FSU forced this statement from behind closed doors

by FredGarvin...NoleProstitute on Nov 14, 2011 6:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Jimbo's salary

should more than afford him the ability to pay a fine. This US Senate type collegial BS just doesn’t hack it. It won’t get any better if you just turn the other cheek. How would you feel had we lost that game?

by ed64nole on Nov 14, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Turn the other cheek, You don't think he discusses this with ACC officials?

A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2

by PalmAireNole on Nov 14, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't know of there is a correlation but it seems like it has gotten worse for FSU since D Hart left.

I know Tobaccy Road has total disdain for FSU, but at least Dave Hart would give them a fight. I think they look at Spetman and just laugh.

"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat"

by Blue Horseshoe on Nov 15, 2011 7:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Think it's more due to us having an old HC who didn't want to fight those fights anymore.

Since Jimbo’s from the SEC, where fights like this about officiating are routine, so he’s more than willing to take it on.
It’s SOP to him.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Nov 15, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Does Jimbo have direct contact with ACC league officials re officiating or does he have to channel it up thru the AD's office??

"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat"

by Blue Horseshoe on Nov 15, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Think it's officially channeled thru the AD's office.

But the football coach still drives the situation. If he doesn’t want to fight it, we don’t pursue it.

Have to remember, we went from a HC in his upper 70s to a HC in his 40s only 2 years ago. Bobby wasn’t fighting those fights anymore toward the end. Jimbo is now, and getting as many apologies as we have from the ACC regarding quality of officiating is a HUGE sign of progress. If this keeps up, the ACC’s going to fire its head of officials. Jimbo is clearly making an impact.

It makes me wonder just how grating it was for Jimbo to watch Bobby neglect the program and the kids in it. This kind of stuff should be routine for a big program, and it wasn’t there for a long while.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Nov 15, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd love to have heard that phone call with Coach Fisher

“You either issue a public retraction on that call or I’m putting Coach Trickett on the phone!”

Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!

by GonzoNole on Nov 15, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Jimbo does make a lot of money, but shouldn't he be allowed to keep it?

After all, he’s got a sick kid with a rare disease. Treatment for that gets expensive real quick.

Besides, there are official ways of dealing with bad officiating. Namely, you let THE SCHOOL send out formal complaints to the ACC backed with video evidence. This kind of thing is everywhere in the SEC-Florida sends a video with calls they question up to SEC HQ every single week-and now that Jimbo has established an SEC program at FSU, we’re going to be seeing a lot of it here, too.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Nov 15, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

True dat

I want the ACC refs to become the symbol of incompetence and blowing calls. Kind of like “pulling a Munson.” It’s already begun. Ole Dinich dedicated a lot of her horrible content today to the puke inducing officiating.

Gimme some sugar, baby.

by Tubby Sweetbundle on Nov 14, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Gonna be honest here, Pac12 is still worse.


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by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

how is that even humanly possible?

Seriously, I would think the ACC officials maybe get 30% right.

"However, I say, let UM burn." -onebarrelrum

by Miaminole on Nov 14, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Just trust me here


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by Bud Elliott on Nov 14, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

My bad, now that I think about it this was, what...MAC officials or something like that?

Guess we haven’t completely set the bar in the ACC, but Saturday was damn close.

Does the PAC-10 have some specific screw ups that are noteworthy, or just the body of work stuff?

by lawdy15 on Nov 15, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Are they not even aloud to tackle out there Bud? That is the only step left.

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by FCANOLE on Nov 14, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

If we get anything out of this

maybe it will mean we get some calls to go our way this weekend.

by BhamSeminole on Nov 14, 2011 6:27 PM EST reply actions  

consistently is what we are looking for.

A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2

by PalmAireNole on Nov 14, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Ironically, I blindly thought this earlier in the season...

Frustrating this is it get worse cuz’ now I watch more closely, and the missed holds on our dline, blocks in the backs by opps. defending punts, and other obvious penalties are laughable….I sit here w/ my 12 year old and replay the plays on TIVO….and let him call the 3 to 4 penalties not called on virtually EVERY play….its like a drinking game, I just give him a quarter for every blown call he sees and I am about to pay for four yrs. at FSU JUST based on that alone!

by gotbbux on Nov 15, 2011 5:13 AM EST up reply actions  

great idea!

“its like a drinking game, I just give him a quarter for every blown call he sees…”

My 10 year old was doing that in the stands. And, explaining the game to the ginger headed “wasted” (in my son’s words) fella that couldn’t seem to understand what was going on.

by PCBNole on Nov 15, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Fisher (and Hudson) are much better men than myself. I'd have been Gene Hackman in the "throw me out of the game" scene of Hoosiers.

When they tossed Nigel, they’d have had to take me with him, because I’d have thrown crap everywhere on the field and motioned for them to keep replaying it while I showed my a$$ to the world.

Jimbo is a better man than me, without a doubt.

by lawdy15 on Nov 15, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

THIS. Exactly this.

I know he should take the high road, but if I were SURE it was a legal hit, and he was after he saw the review, I’d have been ape sh

by PCBNole on Nov 15, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Reminds Me of the Saftey Reveral

Never know when the final answer will come. I think we need another review of his reversal.

by Owlguin on Nov 14, 2011 6:35 PM EST reply actions  

Im more interested in what they say about the ScoopnScore.

Think this is a deflection so they do not have to answer further to any of the other calls

by stevegrizzle on Nov 14, 2011 6:36 PM EST reply actions  

Hah

I took Miami to cover just based on ACC refs and laughed all the way to the bank…if theyre gonna suck that predictably, I am going to at least make some money off it! Love my Noles, but their bias is so preditctable at least they can pay for my drinks!….AND of course I won!

by gotbbux on Nov 15, 2011 5:17 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I thought the SAME THING. I thought...you know, of all the big hits you see over and over, this one is now tainted, and not rightfully so. How ridiculous.

IMO, this was right there with the Roscoe Parrish hit and Barrow/Vanover meeting for biggest hits of all time in this series.

by lawdy15 on Nov 15, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

I hope this takes the stigma off it enough to allow it to be replayed when it comes to the history of the series.

by LouC on Nov 15, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think I've ever read a more left handed, mealy mouthed admission of guilt in all my life!

They spend almost the entire news release making the case about vicious hits to the head and neck upon vulnerable players, then say “but oh, by the way, this really doesn’t meant the standard.” Is EVERYONE in that bush league an incompetent?

by Dauntless12 on Nov 14, 2011 6:37 PM EST reply actions  

hurts their integrity if they str8 up admit it...

instead what they did is say they are trying to protect the players.

Never work Retail!!!!!!

by phi*tau-nole on Nov 14, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Weasel wording a statement is what hurts their integrity and credibility.

They need to DEMONSTRATE to their stakeholders, which includes the fans, that they take the matter of incompetent officiating seriously. Unless they can send that message their credibility is but a fond memory. (Some resignations, firings or at least suspensions would help send that strong message.)

by Dauntless12 on Nov 14, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds more like defense of the call to me.

The ACC is saying that in reviewing it after the fact the hit is not illegal, but in defense of the refs and their duty to make split second decisions on the spot quote the rule that essentially states when in question the call goes to the offense.

As I said before, if NB uses proper technique their probaly isn’t a flag even thrown.

by hideout on Nov 14, 2011 6:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The Ejection

was still ridiculous. I can understand the flag, given speed and impact, Hell I heard the hit in Pensacola.

by RANOLE on Nov 14, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Right on.

The ejection was a result of the perception of the hit being illegal and Byrd being in process of catching the ball. Reffing any sport isn’t as easy as it looks. There’s alot going on and alot to keep track of simultaneously. It looks really easy but if you’ve ever tried your hand at it you know it isn’t.

by hideout on Nov 14, 2011 6:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Completely agree

I don’t see how you can throw him out, especially since I can’t remember another player who has been thrown out for a hit

by cincy_nole on Nov 14, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Just happened a few weeks ago in an SEC game.

by hideout on Nov 15, 2011 6:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually,

the third flag you saw on that hit had just arrived from the crew officiating the Wake-Clemson game. So, no matter what….there was going to be a flag.

Follow me @DKNoisewaterTN or @ACCrefsSuck.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 14, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Proper technique?

He did what he was taught to do.

Not tho' the soldier knew, Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do & die, Into the valley of Death Rode the 85.

by Shooter McFrattin on Nov 15, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Stop trying to save face

We told you that you were wrong yesterday, yet you still grasp for straws.

Reading my posts is a privilege and I will ban anyone who disagrees with me from the Internet for life.

by DOT COM on Nov 15, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Has anything like our scoring 'consistency'

ever happened? Out side of the early days when 7-0, 7-6, 10-7 scores were the norm.

by RANOLE on Nov 14, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks Bud

but I think everybody here knew it was a legal hit…just kidding with that. Officiating in this conference is just pathetic. I could buy the flag b/c the game moves so fast and that was a BAMMMM hit, but the ejection was total bs.

Just as an aside did the Big East borrow ACC officials for that Syracuse- Toledo game with the made missed extra point. Maybe it was a preview for them as to what to expect in the ACC.

by RANOLE on Nov 14, 2011 6:43 PM EST reply actions  

What I don't get

is that Byrd was down long enough for the refs to see what exactly Bradham did. Instead of just guessing, why not go to the replay booth (they had no problem doing this earlier) and deciding if they should throw the flag or not.

"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox

by FTSNole on Nov 14, 2011 6:48 PM EST reply actions  

You can't review penalties.

Reviewable Plays in NCAA College Football:
Reviewable plays governed by a side line, goal line or an end line include:

a. Scoring plays, including a runner in possession of a live ball breaking the plane of a goal line.

A pass ruled complete, incomplete or intercepted at a side line, goal line or an end line.

c. A runner or pass receiver ruled in or out of bounds. If a runner is ruled out of bounds, the play is not reviewable.

d. Recovery of a loose ball in or out of bounds in the field of play or an end zone.

e. A loose ball touching a side line, goal line or an end line.

Reviewable plays involving passes include:

a. A pass ruled complete, incomplete or intercepted anywhere in the field of play or an end zone.

A legal forward pass touched by an ineligible receiver.

c. A legal forward pass touched by a defensive player.

d. A fumble ruled on the part of a potential passer. (Note: If the on-field ruling is forward pass and the pass is incomplete, the play is not reviewable).

e. A forward pass or forward handing ruled when a runner is beyond the line of scrimmage.

f. A forward pass or forward handing ruled after a change of possession.

g. A pass ruled forward or backward when thrown from behind the line of scrimmage. (Exception: If the pass is ruled forward and is incomplete, the play is not reviewable).

Other reviewable plays include:

a. A runner judged to have been not down by rule. (Note: If a runner is ruled down, the play is not reviewable).

A runner’s forward progress with respect to a first down.

c. Touching of any type kick by any player.

d. The number of players participating by either team during a live ball.

e. A scrimmage kicker beyond the line of scrimmage when the ball is kicked.

f. Clock adjustment when a ruling on the field is reversed.

g. A fumble recovery by a Team A player during fourth down or a try and before any change of possession. No other plays or officiating decisions are reviewable. ncaa.org

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Nov 14, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Figured this was coming.

Can they throw a flag and then get together and decide? They did that on the Reid PI call that they flagged but then said uncatchable. Seems very baseball-ish to me to have a questionable call happen and leave it up to the refs guessing when they have the technology at their disposable to get a better view, and a better call.

"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox

by FTSNole on Nov 14, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

And it's not like they're disrupting the flow of the game.

99 times out of 100 the players that got hit are down long enough for the refs to get something that’s better then a guess.

"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox

by FTSNole on Nov 14, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, but that's the rule.

Imagine if penalties were reviewable Saturday’s game would have taken 5 hours. Not that I have a problem with the concept, but you really have to draw the line somewhere and hope your ref’s are competent.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Nov 14, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Which in our case they are def. not.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Nov 14, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

but I think when it involves a player getting ejected and penalized over a GUESS then it should be reviewable.

"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox

by FTSNole on Nov 14, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

To clear up my point

usually flags aren’t thrown based off guesses or what the refs thought they saw. So rarely would a penalty go under review.

"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox

by FTSNole on Nov 14, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Officials are taught to not call it a penalty if they didn't see the whole act

When in doubt, wipe it out.

These guys have too much ego and have lost their fundamentals. The best of the best get to the nfl. Unfortunately, the small officiating associations that result from conference only officials lends itself to a good-old-boy network made up of guys know guys and not guys who consistently maintain the highest levels of performance.

by dale gribble on Nov 14, 2011 10:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Guys who know guys

by dale gribble on Nov 14, 2011 10:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Sounds like you have a little experience in the reffing world.

A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2

by PalmAireNole on Nov 14, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently that's not the case here.

I think it says above, even if the play is in doubt throw a flag. Thats in the gotdayum rulebook! smh

"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox

by FTSNole on Nov 15, 2011 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Here
When there is question as to the specific area of contact, in accordance with NCAA rules which requires officials to err on the side of player safety, Unsportsmanlike Conduct must be called.

"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox

by FTSNole on Nov 15, 2011 2:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that is the most tremendously dumb-assed wording I can imagine.

I hope the coaches who supposedly “demanded this rule be enacted” get together during the off-season and re-visit the issue.

by Dauntless12 on Nov 15, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

This needs to be removed from the rulebook

or they need to be able to review these calls. Otherwise you end up with situations like this.

by BuddhaNole on Nov 15, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Review the calls.

You have to have that in there as a disincentive to cheap shots/genuinely malicious hits. But if you’re going to write a novel explaining how hard it is to make those calls on the field, rely on the technology to assess these fouls appropriately.

College coaches need to be able to call X number of reviews per game, and, in addition to that, the booth should be responsible for reviewing any play that leads to a score or turnover, as well as all plays in the final 2-3 minutes of each half.

by arrdub on Nov 15, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

then where the EFF was this rule or the refs applying it...

when Kenny Shaw was hit, carted off and removed from the field in an ambulance after an extremely violent hit? Not only no flags for “player safety” but no review of whether it was a catch. No review of anything. Jacka$$es!

by PCBNole on Nov 15, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

In doubt, yes

As in "I saw the whole hit, contact was very close to the neck so I’m dropping my flag. " or "I saw a huge hit out of the corner of my eye and I saw the receiver get destroyed. Looked like it might have been above the shoulders. But I can’t drop my flag because I didn’t see the full hit. "

Unfortunately it appears the Backjudge was closer to the second scenario but threw his flag anyway, as evidenced by him reporting to Flanagan that bradham “launched” when he clearly didn’t.

by dale gribble on Nov 15, 2011 8:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That's all on Flanagan

When the side judges and everyone comes together and one guy goes “Jeff, #13 launched himself at that guy,” then Flanagan’s gotta have a long and hard discussion with that official something like, “You understand that you are subjecting this senior linebacker to ejection from the game and possibly giving him cause to be suspended from his last home game as a collegiate player?” And when the official replies to Flanagan, “Well duh, I mean, Nigel was still on his feet after he made the hit, obviously he put all of his energy into jumping off the ground and spearing the poor kid,” the last word should have been “You idiot, I hope you get fired tomorrow.”

by stevib on Nov 14, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually

The fact that Nigel stood over him should have been a solid clue that he DIDN’T “launch” himself. Seems like when you launch yourself, you’re not likely to end up on your own feet…

by Invictus13 on Nov 14, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

This entry has some gravity to it.

by SolidNole on Nov 14, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Football makes replay more of a hassle than it needs to be

Here is how to make it simple. 2 or 3 officals in a booth watch the replay before the next snap if there is something that needs to be addressed they call down and call for a full review. Do this right and it might add 4 or 5 mins to a game.

The other thing that needs to be done is add freaking sensors to the ball and field.

F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC

by TheJim on Nov 14, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

add on

THis should be done for no other reason there is just not enough refs to watch the game on fold.

F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC

by TheJim on Nov 14, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Rhoads is a durty turd.

and his officials are corrupt and stupid.

by Nole2005 on Nov 14, 2011 6:49 PM EST reply actions  

Hey, do you guys remember when hitting someone was legal?

That’ll be what we’re all saying in about three years.

"Rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in"

by 06N0LE on Nov 14, 2011 6:55 PM EST reply actions  

Truth.

They’re doing their best to turn football into a game of pussies.

by seminoleballer on Nov 14, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

If the 2003 Stanford Samuels hit on Roscoe Parish were to occur today....

The refs would call a personal foul, eject Samuels, cuff him and then lead him away to prison without benefit of a trial. He’d be doing hard time in Raiford to this day.

by Dauntless12 on Nov 14, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely understand the crackdown on viscious hits to the head.

Have you seed the recent data on cronic concussions? It is scary and affects everyone.

This however, should not have been called.

by TuckNole on Nov 14, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

No worries.

They’ll declare that they misinterpreted the rule right before kickoff. Of course, the game will then be delayed as they try to figure out how to remove points from the opposition’s slot on the scoreboard as opposed to adding them.

by lawdy15 on Nov 15, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Replay on Personal Fouls

They need to change what is a reviewable call in the offseason. And not just the ACC, but everybody. Everybody saw Fisher pointing and screaming for the official to look at the “JIMBO-TRON” to see the replay that would clearly show the hit was legal, it was made with a shoulder, well below the head a neck area, and he in no way launched himself. The cowards wouldn’t even look at the JIMBO-TRON. If the NCAA would allow these plays to be reviewed it would go a long way in helping determine whethere there was an actual foul or not. Given the speed of the game and severity and ferocious nature of that hit it’s real easy to throw the flag now that football is a sissy sport with all this protect the player crap. An offical review of plays such as this can at least be a step in the right direction to getting the call right on the field. This was a big swing. Instead of an INT, it was 15 yards which led to a TD for Miami bringing them close enough to try an onsides kick. This is the complaint and suggestion I will be bringing to the ACC and the NCAA…to make personal fouls reviewable if deemed necessary. Bradham’s legal hit definitely fits the bill in that department.

by SarasotaSeminole on Nov 14, 2011 7:13 PM EST reply actions  

You need to have a standard for review of fouls or you will have the same problem

Every foul that changes the score or possession should be reviewable. It would only add at maximum 1 or 2 reviews a game and fix a large part of the problem. The second part of the problem obviously is relying on the reviewer

by stevegrizzle on Nov 14, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Give the coach the ability to have 1 or 2 reviews a game

A coach should be allowed to use it for these very purposes! This was a game changer. If we are goign to use replay then use it appropriately.

by SarasotaSeminole on Nov 14, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree.

Now if only we could make the reviews quick on top of that…I HATE how they interrupt the flow of the game. It’s almost not worth it sometimes.

by Nole2005 on Nov 14, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

At least the yo-yos in the booth (McDonough and Millen) stated the call was bogus.

Maybe ACC executives get together and watch the controversial calls and laugh. Maybe it’s funny to them and they put a reel together to enjoy over cigars and scotch. I’m not sure. But in my line of work a similar critique would be the source of intense embarrassment and shame. Of course, you need to have a sense of personal pride in your work before emotions like shame or embarrassment are possible. I’m not sure that element exists at ACC HQ.

by Dauntless12 on Nov 15, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Even if it's not reviewable, I've seen them confer

after a flag was thrown and pick it up and have the ref announce that there is no penalty. Couldn’t they have conferred with the refs in the replay booth. Not an official review, but a “hey what do you see”?

by PCBNole on Nov 15, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

A few comparable hits have been mentioned, but I haven't seen this one. Greg Reid against UF last year, backing up XR27

http://youtu.be/acAtugxuEtY?t=4m14s (start at 4:14)

This hit occurs at a nearly identical point, Greg hits the guy at basically the same point with nearly the same form. The only differences are: XR’s arm got in the way, it’s more Greg’s upper arm than Nigel’s shoulder, and Greg was going the same direction as the receiver instead of colliding in opposite directions (which caused Byrd’s head to be rocked back by Nigel’s hit). Otherwise these hits are nearly identical in form (to user “hideout” who thought these are poor form tackles) and intent (to jar the ball loose while another back already is tackling/defending), but because of the violent appearance of one, we had a flag called and a player ejected.

by stevib on Nov 14, 2011 7:18 PM EST reply actions  

Here's an idea

When a defender is approaching a WR from the backside and the WR is looking for the ball, and is therefore “defenseless,” the defender only needs to two-hand tag the WR in order to “tackle” him.

That way, defenders don’t have to worry about hitting hard enough to take the WR down AND whether or not they’re hitting too hard. That should stop many of these vicious hits on players who aren’t looking and can’t brace for the hit.

It can be called the “touch, down” rule.

by Invictus13 on Nov 15, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

This was a 30-13 blow-out if we were Miami homers and took off the kickoff return for a TD.

Then add in the momentum FSU would gain from that TD off the fumble, or if you’re an FSU homer, the TD on the kick return and you have a score very much like last year’s game. TN takes homerism out of most of its articles so we will be conservative and say this ABSOLUTELY was a 30-13 blow-out.

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by cerebralfish on Nov 14, 2011 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

how to clean up ACC officiating

The only way to clean it up,is for the power brokers, in this case ESPN/ABC to tell the ACC they will not continue to pay top dollar for poorly officiated games. This will get the ACC’s attention and they will take action. Until the ACC is told it will hit their pockets, they could care less.

by brosky56 on Nov 14, 2011 7:47 PM EST reply actions  

Just wondering...

does ESPN/ABC really care about the quality of officiating. I mean, as frustrating as it is to watch, are we really going to stop? I won’t. I’ll piss and moan and scream and yell but I’m still going to tune in and at the end of the day, does ESPN/ABC really care about anything else?

by Nole'in Around on Nov 14, 2011 8:13 PM EST reply actions  

even they require "officials to err on the side of player safety"

It still does not excuse the fact that they ejected Bradham. A flag is one thing but ejecting a player is a whole other story.. Screw them!

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by Seminole4Ever on Nov 14, 2011 8:30 PM EST reply actions  

The def sucked...

I’m not going to beat a dead Byrd anymore but they def suck. Especially when it takes then 4 minutes to review a play, like the first play. If it’s truly “indisputable video evidence” why did it take so long? There should be a time limit for each review. If they can’t come to a conclusion in 60 seconds or less they should not be able to over turn.

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by NoleFear on Nov 14, 2011 8:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Title should be "the Ref def sucked"*

Never scare a magician, he might poop your pants.

by NoleFear on Nov 14, 2011 8:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

rec'd for dead byrd

"However, I say, let UM burn." -onebarrelrum

by Miaminole on Nov 14, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

This is my exact problem w/ today's game....

Everyone wants to “Err” on the side of caution and just throw flags just because someone gets hit hard… IT’S FOOTBALL!!! If you throw a dumb A@% pass in the middle of the field, w/ defenders in the area, then the ref’s and everyone else should expect a car collision at that moment….. Also even if you just throw a flag for a personal foul penalty; if you think it is an ejectable offense, then the play should be automatically reviewed to determine if the play was indeed an ejectable offense or not… Don’t make the situation worst by turning a bad call into an even more controversial situation….

by zone3nole on Nov 14, 2011 8:46 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

AMEN 'NOLE BROTHER

I saw this coming, three years ago when everyone kept complaining about the concussions happening in football. While we all agree that it’s a shame when players get hurt, did those in charge have to water down the sport? Really, no clotheslines, head slaps, stickum, horsecollars and now hard hits. Someone please tell me how a team is suppose to “defend” the opposing team?

And where’s our apology?

"There's always opportunity in everything. I saw him, I laid the wood on him and he went to the sidelines looking for his mouthpiece. That's how that goes."

"You win the game. You find a way to win. That's part of athletics. Everyone wants you to be pretty. Everyone wants you to be perfect. Competing doesn't work that way. That's in the movies. I keep saying this isn't entertainment. It's competition, and there is a difference. In entertainment, you script it, you set it up and a guy makes the big play, the heroic play. He throws a TD or makes the big run. This is real life.

by Kellumbear on Nov 14, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Very true

but kids can swim, run track, play tennis, golf, baseball, basketball etc. Football hurts.

I’m glad that I only have a daughter because I would be very conflicted about having a son play football. On the oher hand, about having a daughter…

by GoNoles2011 on Nov 15, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

If the issue is so serious as to warrant this kind of officiating, ban the game.

Don’t dumb it down to the point where it resembles a ladies quilting circle at the local Methodist Church.

by Dauntless12 on Nov 15, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Watch it there.

Those circles get pretty heated.

by fsuclipper on Nov 15, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard

by lawj on Nov 15, 2011 3:33 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

You know what I don't see anywhere

Besides an apology, I don’t see the ACC or NCAA offering any kind of solution to the situation they’re presenting this as. As far as I can tell, they’re saying any violent hit (legal or otherwise) is going to get inconsistently flagged and players ejected and short of tackling people from the knees down, there’s not a thing anyone can do to prevent this from happening again.

Screw you, ACC.

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Christian Ponder: "Why? Because you say I overthink things? is that what you’re trying to imply? As crazy as it sounds, my mom’s maiden name is actually SuperBowlWinner. Isn’t that crazy?"
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by GregJones on Nov 14, 2011 8:58 PM EST reply actions  

In last year's peach bowl (chicken bowl)

Greg Reid definitley launched himself at Marcus Lattimore and knocked his ass right out of the game.

I think the difference is that Bradham is much bigger and Reid is small. Therefore, Bradham gets hosed and Reid (thankfully) is a hero.

by FSU PHD on Nov 14, 2011 9:18 PM EST reply actions  

The "%%%% you" has already happened

This is the “strong letter to follow.”

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Nov 15, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

the irate fans in section 37

was that you Dauntless, in the front row, yelling the very thing that I was thinking but didn’t want to yell b/c of the young girl to my right?

by PCBNole on Nov 15, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

simple solution:

penalize the offense for running crossing routes. Since the governing body is hell-bent on regulating fb to death, they may as well penalize the side of the ball that sets these types of collisions up.

Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.

by levynole on Nov 14, 2011 10:37 PM EST reply actions  

That, I believe is very true.

It was like Byrd ran full speed into a cast iron statue of Mr.Bradham; that was strategically placed just outside the right hash mark, at about the 9 yard line by Coach M.Stoops right before the play in question.
 What are the odds of that?

When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.

by Chief Pit Bull on Nov 16, 2011 2:31 AM EST up reply actions  

3 is wrong apparently by the rule.


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by Bud Elliott on Nov 15, 2011 7:58 AM EST up reply actions  

You've discovered the modern rule for success:

1. Set the bar low by consistently underperforming.
2. Jump over the bar once in a while by perfroming at a level of average competence.
3. Everyone will pat you on the back for an outstanding performance.
4. Get contract extension while emtions are high.
5. Rinse and repeat.

Different decade, same results.

by PeachTreeNole on Nov 15, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I can buy the "call being made in real-time" argument.

But, the call, as made by the referee, was that Nigel “launched himself” and “lead with the helmet”…and he did neither of those things – as the replay showed and as is now admitted. It’s like they pulled some validation of a poor call right out of their Caracas on the fly. It’s as if the hit became an urban legend right there on the field between the actual hit/flag being thrown and the official call being made a few seconds later.

by manicmusician on Nov 14, 2011 11:48 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

anyone notice

in the first three seconds of video jenkins throws miller to the ground like a rag doll

by Nole-o-mite on Nov 15, 2011 12:17 AM EST reply actions  

Am I the only one that noticed

That the score was 23-13 (another duplicate score) when the blown call was made? The game would have ended at 23-13 had the correct call been made.

by Widespread Seminole on Nov 15, 2011 1:10 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Good post

Basically this call must be subject to review. Otherwise the rule puts the officials and the defensive players in an untenable position.

Before reading all of this, I felt that the officials compounded their mistake by ejecting Bradham, reflecting a level of certainty about the call that surely didn’t exist. However, if the rule requires the ejection, that argument is moot.

Of course none of this excuses the ridiculous reversal of the fumble on the first play of the game. That was atrocious.

And I don’t understand why we don’t get more calls for holding (and “blocks” in the back) on our DEs and DTs, though it does seem that in general officials tend to miss this or let it go more often than they should.

by csfuu on Nov 15, 2011 4:58 AM EST up reply actions  

You tell your friend I think his buddies deserve to be thrown off a building

I apologize for this tactless post, but i am so sick of the nonsense. He may be a great guy, but as a whole, they are woefully under prepared.

"However, I say, let UM burn." -onebarrelrum

by Miaminole on Nov 15, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Justified

I think as an official you have to throw a flag here. It happened so fast. Before seeing the replay, it could easily be mistaken as a foul, I did. I was already yelling then I saw the replay and started yelling the other direction. All calls should be reviewable! If they were the Reed would have the pick.

by Renegade77 on Nov 15, 2011 9:00 AM EST reply actions  

I think we're overlooking the bigger issue here:

Miami v. FSU is still the ACC’s marquee game. It gives the ACC it largest national share of TV and is an important PR event for ACC football— especially at a time when so many other conferences are working to expand and sweeten their TV deals as the ACC would like to do.

Given that, you’d think the ACC would be careful to put its absolute best crew in front of the nation for this game.

Maybe it did…. which would further prove what a pathetic, basketball-oriented football league this is.

Different decade, same results.

by PeachTreeNole on Nov 15, 2011 10:17 AM EST reply actions  

Eh, don’t agree with that this year


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by Bud Elliott on Nov 15, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Couldn't this be objectively determined?

Wouldn’t be surprised if it was the highest rated game of the weekend, and top 3 on the season. Should have put any other crew besides this one on it, at the very least.

Believe I saw somewhere that the same group was involved in basically all of our ACC losses over the past 2 years… is that right?

by arrdub on Nov 15, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

it's going to be hard to determine because the stats won't show how many viewers started the game

and then left when the officating sucked the life and rythm right out of it.

Different decade, same results.

by PeachTreeNole on Nov 15, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

With a nationally-televised epic fail and retractions issued by the ACC for the officiating, I don't think this crew's gonna last too long.

Just saying.

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-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Nov 15, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you are assuming that

the ACC cares that their officials are corrupt and useless.

"However, I say, let UM burn." -onebarrelrum

by Miaminole on Nov 15, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

We know they all care about money.

It is in EVERYBODY’S best financial interest to get these problem soved and quickly.

Let’s start with the refs. ACC crews are hired by bowl games, and get paid a nice little sum for doing them. If the officials in the conference get a rep for being incompetent and making bad calls, they don’t get hired, so they don’t get paid.
No bowl games=no extra Christmas money=Junior doesn’t get his GI Joe with the Kung-fu grip=frowns all around

Plus there’s also the aspect of the quality of the product. Bad ACC officiating perpetuates the perception that ACC football is not worth watching.
Bad football=bad TV deals=Member schools fall behind in funding=frowns all around.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Nov 16, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

well

to be fair, we dont know that they are incompetent, just that they are easily biased

"However, I say, let UM burn." -onebarrelrum

by Miaminole on Nov 16, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

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