Noles News 11.17.11
by Bud Elliott on Nov 17, 2011 9:14 AM EST
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PrintFlorida State's injured left tackle Andrew Datko had another shoulder surgery this week, and Jimbo Fisher thought it went well. There's a chance he might get a medical red-shirt and be back for next season. There are many factors in play here, including the viability of his rehab, his desire to come back, and FSU's want for him to come back.
On the bowl front, you should still bet on the Champs Sports Bowl in Orlando, but hedge with the Chick-Fil-A in Atlanta. If Clemson loses again, they are a lock for Atlanta. If they win out, however, then Virginia Tech is the likely choice. But VT fans traveled to Atlanta just two weeks ago for the Georgia Tech game, and there could be concern over their want to travel again.
The Champs is pretty much a lock to take Notre Dame, as no Big East team has the record to necessitate a selection. You know the folks on that bowl committee are happy. Notre Dame is a very good team, just as FSU is. Both have had a lot of bad luck. Personally, I think a win over a Georgia team (not as good as Notre Dame) or Auburn (nowhere close to as good as Notre Dame) would do more for the program. FSU would be favored in both games.
A note from yesterday's podcast: FSU is the best team with at least three losses. UVA is the worst BCS team with at least 7 wins.
Virginia Football Week 11: FSU Preview - Streaking The Lawn
This week the Hoos head to Tallahassee to face the Seminoles. Here's a game preview. It's a really good game preview. I don't agree that FSU needs to blitz to get pressure.
College football salaries rise again – USATODAY.com
Jimbo Fisher is the highest paid coach in the ACC. Seems right considering his coaching and recruiting.
Lerentee McCray doubtful, Dan Wenger to miss Furman game - Alligator Army
Florida holding out a lot of guys in anticipation of the FSU game.
Week 12 F/+ Rankings - Football Study Hall
Adjusted for garbage time and opponent quality, FSU has been the 8th best team to date. Pretty impressive.
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Wasn't it this time of year last year when guys announced they were transferring?
Any news of guys looking to leave?
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Seems right due to his recruiting.
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by lloydg on Nov 17, 2011 9:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I think Muschamp should also be telling is Oline to block, his quarterbacks to throw, his dline to get to the passer, his linebackers to tackle, and his secondary to cover. Rainey and Demps seem to be doing okay, that’s about it.
by flash_kiley on Nov 17, 2011 9:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Decided schematic advantage
Telling receivers to “get open” must be part of the “decided schematic advantage” that Coach Weis is famous for.
Also, you might want to simplify your defense to “make plays.”
Mickey Andrew Defense circa..anything after 2000
Nigel Bradham, helping Laron Byrd forget his problems...along with his name, what day it is, and general location all together.
D's were still quite good until about 05 actually
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by AMFKNole on Nov 17, 2011 11:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yep
If I remember correctly, about 03 we had one of the top rushing defenses, giving up around just 73 a game
by MarchantWarchant on Nov 17, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Mickey's D was was the only good thing about the Lost Decade until the 2007 season.
His son committed suicide just before that season and Mickey was never the same after that.
His heart just wasn’t in it anymore, and it showed.
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its a horrible story
look it up. Between that and Bobbys prostate cancer its no wonder the team went south
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by NorFla_Nole on Nov 17, 2011 3:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bingo. 2007 is when the wheels fell COMPLETELY off.....but also set the stage for the return.
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Where is that team if Mickey doesn’t have to endure tragedy?
Good question! Top 60ish defense in 2009?
I mean…..BUD THACKER?? The cupboard was not exactly loaded.
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no, 2009 defense was adjusted to like 110 or something.
it was that bad.
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 18, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Datko
Love his work ethic, commitment and resolve but think it’s best for him and program to move. How many surgeries is that now on his shoulder? He should concentrate on life after football. FSU should move forward with mathias or younger guys.
by FtLauderdaleNole on Nov 17, 2011 9:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Depends
If we really want to – and think we can – make a push for the NC next year, we need the best line we can have. If Datko is the best option for next year (combo of talent and experience), I’d want him back (assuming he would want to return, of course).
Now if he wants to leave for genuine health reasons, best wishes to him.
by Invictus13 on Nov 17, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
If Datko is healthy, he's too valuable to wave goodbye
A 13-year starter at LT doesn’t come around too often.
by basaltrock on Nov 17, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Absolutely agree
Veteran lineman are invaluable and could give the young ones an opportunity for a much needed redshirt. If Datko is able to come back, I see nothing but good things coming from it.
I just don't want him going all Ronnie Lott next year
and having his arm amputated on the sidelines just to get back in the game.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 17, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Is there a way to make that mobile green?
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by SoCalNole on Nov 17, 2011 11:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
In addition to the medical redshirt, do you think the NCAA will allow his Rascal on the field?
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by coonhound on Nov 17, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Andrew Datko: Enter an 18-year old, 265-lb Freshman...
…Leave a 27-year old, 310-lb draft pick.
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Would love it.
by CCDFSU07 on Nov 17, 2011 10:24 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
There are not words to describe
How much I want UGA in the Dome.
by Widespread Seminole on Nov 17, 2011 12:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would love GA too
Not saying that I wouldnt want to take on a challenge (because ND will be a harder challenge) but if they (UGA) stay ranked relatively high and we beat them down (which we can do), then it looks great for us – ends the year with a better ranking, and starts the next year with an even higher ranking, when we are primed for a NC
by LetsGoNoles on Nov 17, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
SECe Champs
Would that make us SECe champs for the 2nd year running?
VT didn’t travel well to GT, and returned a large chunk of their allotment. Of course, it was a Thursday night game, but regardless the Chik-fil-a folks saw both the Clemson and VT games at GT. Clemson had huge tailgating turnout, packed the downtown hotels, and packed every seat at Bobby Dodd.
I’m sure VT will travel much better for the bowl than for a Thursday night game at GT, but if there is a choice between FSU and VT, I’d expect FSU.
Football is my favorite show.
Clemson is much closer to Atlanta
Makes sense to me that they would travel to Ga Tech better. And they were ranked number 5 at the time, which is always good for fan morale, particularly when it’s been twenty years since the last time they won the conference.
I’m not suggesting that FSU doesn’t make more sense to the Fila Bowl than does Va Tech but it would have shocked me, given the above circumstances if Clemson didn’t travel better than Va Tech.
Where it really gets interesting though is, it’s not like Clemson people HAVE to get hotel rooms in Atlanta. Game is New Year’s Eve but for many of them, a two hour drive after the game won’t be the end of the world, I’d wager.
Finally, IF after starting the year 9 and zip and making noise about playing for the BCS title, IF Clemson gets beat in the ACC title game, I would wager that there will be many fans in orange that say “screw it, I’m not spending a pile of money a week after Christmas to go the Chick Fil-A Bowl. I need to save that money to buy some more players.”
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by Sobering on Nov 17, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Virginia Tech has done very well selling tickets to the Chick-fil-A Bowl in the past and the Chick-fil-A kickoff game against Alabama
Virginia Tech sold thousands more tickets for their trips to the Chick-fil-A Bowl than FSU did last year…
We did sell out our allotment.
Very quickly too.
by Widespread Seminole on Nov 17, 2011 12:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
FSU technically did not sell our their allotment.
FSU sold around 10,500 of their 18,000 ticket allotment, but the Chick-fil-A Bowl allowed FSU to return unsold tickets with no penalty. Virginia Tech has sold 18,000+ tickets to the Chick-fil-A Bowl each time they have played there. For those that were at the game and not sitting in the lower level endzone (FSU’s allotment), it was clear that the upper deck behind the Marching Chiefs (where the high school bands and halftime entertainment was sitting) was not full of FSU fans like the South Carolina section was full of Gamecocks. FSU was probably 7,000+ tickets short of selling their allotment.
I'm ready to buy some tickets for the Champs
Had a blast when Wisconsin played FSU there a couple of years ago.
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that game was a lot of fun
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by NorFla_Nole on Nov 17, 2011 3:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Funny how much the top-20 salaries list
resembles a typical top-20 poll. Egg/chicken, chicken/egg, whatever. It’s clear which programs/conferences are willing and able to pay for success.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 17, 2011 9:53 AM EST reply actions
I expect him to
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 17, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Coley tweeted he has practiced and has looked good. Gimpy first day, looking much better now.
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 17, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Wish Roads was injured...
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by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Nov 17, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Huh?
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 17, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think thats the head of ACC officials
'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'
LOL, that makes more sense, he was going for a joke.
Thought he just misspelled Rhodes.
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 17, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
He is injured...
He’s a gator. No matter how much time he spends in the training room, that injury will never heal.
by teter10 on Nov 17, 2011 2:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He is injured...
He’s a gator. No matter how much time he spends in the training room, that injury will never heal.
by teter10 on Nov 17, 2011 2:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Two things
1. I was under the impression Grove was the highest paid coach in the ACC?
2. When you say FSU would be favored over either, do you mean UGA and Auburn? Would you expect to be favored over Notre Dame?
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by AMFKNole on Nov 17, 2011 10:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions
1. Not sure, just going by the link.
2. Yes, UGA and Auburn. Depending on EJ’s health could be underdogs to UGA and ND
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 17, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
I dont think FSU would be favored verses what would most likely be a 3 loss team in Atlanta for a bowl game.
Seminole Game Day -- "All the trash talkin' stops, when the spear drops."
Wouldn't FSU have to be a 3-loss team, as well?
In any event, vegas lines on the game are going to align much more closely with, say, an F/+ ranking than the AP poll.
Yeah but you’re looking at a higher ranked UGA team essentially at home…. Who’s losses would be to only ranked teams (Boise, South Carolina, LSU) … I can’t imagine them being labeled “underdog” in essentially a home game at that point
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Still too early to tell
How do they look when they lose to LSU? How do we look when we beat UF?
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Valid point. I would expect for them to get beat soundly, but not blown out. I just felt like they get the grace of losing to #1. They’re streak/record is actually comparable to FSU’s right now.
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I can agree with that. I don't think the line would be very much either way right now
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I dont think either team fets blown out.
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by CornNole on Nov 17, 2011 12:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know.
Even our team weaknesses seem to do pretty good in bowl games.
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EJ should be as healthy for a bowl game as he's been since the OU game unless something tragic happens in the next 2 weeks.
I dont keep up with ND so what has their bad luck been? Did they get their QB injured or something? I forget.
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by cerebralfish on Nov 17, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Turnovers and an early QB conspiracy.
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turnovers arent unlucky to me....
neither is a QB conspiracy. Injuries are unlucky. Sounds to me like they dont have a stand out QB and they couldnt take care of the ball.
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by cerebralfish on Nov 17, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed I just think the 5 turnovers in the USF game....
was a fluke and that made Crist lose his starting role early. I think they were alittle disorganized earlier this year. I now think they are getting their stride and it would be a good match-up for us. Though I would rather play UGA of course for reasons others have stated in this post.
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
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Oh I know...
I just thought this was the issues he was thinking of ND going thru earlier this year. This is what was talked about by everyone I thought. I am not saying at all that it has anything to do with a matchup with them. Just trying to answer the question he had earlier.
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One other thing about the preview is that Timmy is the #3 DT
and he and dawkins are excellent pass rushers on their own but play unselfish depending on the play
Also, Reid is not one of the fastest players CFB
and it was Thompson’s back ,not neck.
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What do you mean by "#3 DT"?
He backs up Cam Irving at 3-tech (DT), in addition to backing up McCloud at 1- (NT)? Or the 3rd overall guy in the interior DL rotation?
Every snap TJ's taken has been at NT.
Not sure why all the interior guys are lumped together.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 17, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I think he was relaying what that preview said.
In a four man front, it seems many don’t make a distinction between NT and DT.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 17, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't read it, either. Just guessing.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 17, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Right...
I simply meant that from the preview…they seemed to imply that the third guy you’d see in the interior was irving. Which seems to actually be false. As DKN could point out Timmy is getting quite a number of stats albeit from the NT instead of the 3 tech DT.
They also said FSU gets no pass rush from DTs.
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by SoCalNole on Nov 17, 2011 11:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
A little off subject, but I think it matters for 2012
How long does the Wilder at RB experiment last? Do you think they give him one more year before moving him to LB?
If he's going to switch
it needs to be this spring.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 17, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Or next spring
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 17, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Sure. He'd make a terrific back-up LB
as a senior. haha.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 17, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
could easily rs a year to learn the position better
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 17, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm. Hadn't considered the RS route.
Maybe even a “medical” RS next year if Pender passes him after the first couple games. I HOPE none of this matters and he turns out at RB.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 17, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
same. want him to see him successful at the position he wants to play.
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 17, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Not for this season
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My reason was that
we would basically waste a season figuring out what position one of our most physically gifted players could be most successful at. I really don’t care what year we do it. But I’d hate to see us flush his career down the drain because we wanted to give him a shot at RB so he’d commit.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
Yea, gotta let him see where he stands in a real game.
Plus, PR no good if you redshirt your top recruit.
Unless they want it,
which I’m certain Wilder never once thought, “gee I’d really like to sit out this year.”
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 17, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
I think some of the guys that have come in asked for it.
Didn’t one of the olineman?
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 17, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
He looks really good at running back
I don’t see us signing any 220 plus rbs soon, I say keep him there. Maybe as he improves, we won’t have to worry about the 3rd and short/gline running game as much.
He's an impressive athlete, and I'm all for giving him the shot at RB.
I wouldn’t say he looks really good right now.
by jasonole59 on Nov 17, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly what I said above.
I think he can be good but would hate for it to turn out like it did for Sims. What a waste.
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He needs time
But IMHO, I think he definitely fills a need staying at RB. We haven’t been so great on short yardage this year. Having a powerful back and actually trying some play action would go a long way in helping to rectify the situation.
by whistlinjoe on Nov 17, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
But he is so talented at LB do we really need a 5* short yardage guy?
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by PalmAireNole on Nov 17, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
With the way we find a way to NOT get those 3rd n 4th and 1's and 2s
sh*t, maybe.
Nigel Bradham, helping Laron Byrd forget his problems...along with his name, what day it is, and general location all together.
Signing JWJ as RB
was more about keeping an athlete like that away from our competition than filling a need imo. If anybody can make him into a good back its Gran. I can see us playing our stable of backs like the Giants play Bradshaw/Jacobs. We can do that with Freeman-pender/JWJ. I dont see JWJ being a great short yardage guy as a FB. He will need to be HB to get a head of steam because he will always be an upright runner. When our OL goes through a spring together I cant imagine having trouble on 3rd and 1 with Pryor at FB and JWJ and HB. As of right now I think Freeman is our best back in all situations including short yardage.
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by cerebralfish on Nov 17, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Ill rec it as well
Just bc I like Wilder as a person – seems like a reall nice kid – loved his committment interview – think hes a special kid; and that special, intangible ability that cant be described – the it factor- will carry over to him being a good running back one way or another
by LetsGoNoles on Nov 17, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
About the O-Line
I simply can’t judge him on his true talents at RB (power formations, very little shotgun) until I see our OL block well for anything other than a stretch play out of the pony.
by Nolesos Locos on Nov 17, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A healthy EJ can sneak for 1.
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by cerebralfish on Nov 17, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Clemson might not be a good fit for the Chick Fil-A bowl
Because the most likely SEC invite will be either USCe or Auburn (assuming UGA beats UK this weekend and plays in the championship game)… I am not sure they will want a rematch from the season in a bowl game.
Interesting point. Had not considered that, but you are right.
If UGA closes the season well they’re not going to slide all the way down to the SEC’s #5 slot (?), they’ll be in the Outback I think, which is higher in the pecking order…. so it’s almost a foregone conclusion that it’s Auburn or USCe against the ACC rep. Don’t think a rematch of “meh” teams would be a marquee draw for TV.
Would love to bump Clemson out of their bowl a la us getting kicked out of the Gator. MIght even root for ND to spank them in the Champs.
Agreed
It would be fun to watch Clemson fall to the #3 ACC bowl. But I think it will probably happen if Clemson loses the championship game
LSU and Alabama to BCS
UGA to Capital One
Arkansas to Cotton Bowl
USCe or Auburn to Gator Bowl
Other will fall to the Chick Fil-A Bowl
The rest of the SEC teams suck so it is unlikely this won’t be the line up. Bowls don’t like season rematches so I wouldn’t be surprised if FSU is selected for this game. Especially if the opponent is Auburn.
UGA is the most likely invite I believe, right?
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 17, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
SEC East teams almost never go to the Cotton Bowl.
Tennessee has made a couple of trips there, but I think that’s it.
Capital One is generally a SEC east team
and the Cotton bowl usually takes a west team. So either USCe or UGA is the likely selection for the Capital One Bowl
I am so sick of these crappy bowl tie ins for the ACC can’t we play a better big 10, big 12, sec, or pac 12 team. I guess we just need to be back in the BCS games, but even then we only get to play big east half the time. I don’t know what can be done about it. But the ACC needs to start representing better both in attendance and outcome.
No, because the ACC teams (including FSU) don’t travel compared to the Big 10 and SEC teams do.
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 17, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
As a fan I would rather see FSU vs ND
but for the program it would be better to face an SEC team, even if they arent as good as ND, and get a W. I think you mightve mentioned as much in one of your comments above. A win in the bowl game is the MOST important thing for momentum going into next year and going into the recruiting season. We are pretty even with ND imo and it would be a dog fight.
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by cerebralfish on Nov 17, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
God I pray we get either Auburn or Notre Dame.
Pounding Auburn would be great for recruiting and the story line from their Chickening Out of our game several years ago would great. Payback would be so awesome.
Auburn fans are some of the most arrogant, self-aggrandizing fans on the planet.
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by Blue Horseshoe on Nov 17, 2011 11:26 AM EST reply actions
You know, I still have a t-shirt commemorating that event somewhere
I believe the term used by the students for Auburn then was “War Chickens”
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I think the only way we go to the Chicken Bowl is
We beat UVA and UF convincingly.. Then Either Clemson or VaTech loses their rivarly game then turn around and lose the championship game. The Chicken bowl would then have to pick from a 3 loss FSU team on a 7 game winning streaking beating their oppents by an avg of 20+ points or a Clemson or VaTech team also with 3 loss on a 2 game losing streak
3rd less likely option.
Clemson&VT win out to the ACCCG, VT wins a close game for theACCCG Clemson doesn’t fall to many spots and goes to a BCS game.
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by PalmAireNole on Nov 17, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Salary: There's an interesting column about the stratospheric levels of pay lately
It was put out by a Business columnist at the Wall Street Journal, of all places.
The guy argues that the huge salaries of chief executives (aka Head Coaches) are the market’s way of attempting to ensure that the big guy in charge is NOT loyal to whatever sclerotic corporate culture that may be covering up huge problems that they just didn’t want to deal with.
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Need Datko back if we want to win the ACC next year
Hate to say i but with the O line that we have I doubt we can win the ACC. Hart and Matias on the outside really worries me. Not 3 years from now but next year they will be liabilities. HAVE TO KEEP DATKO IF POSSIBLE!!!!!!!! Assuming he can play like he normally does.
I'm looking at the 2008 to 2009 precedent for some assurance that we'll be better next year.
Had a bunch of rookies thrown into action that season, too, and we were pretty good the next year. Probably working with better raw talent than we had then, to boot.
We can definitely win the ACC with out him.
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by PalmAireNole on Nov 17, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Could be but I also think it takes a good Oline to win.
Don’t think we are there and I’m not sure if the current group will get there. We need to recruit better interior lineman. We haven’t done so in years. The JUCO guy Farkenkrug has been a dissappointment to me. He has the size but lacks the strength to move players, Barron and Stork are small and can’t move a deer. I don’t even know who are RG is.
Yeah but...
depending on a guy (albeit a good lineman) that has had two shoulder surgeries doesn’t scream NC either.
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Agreed
But I’ve never been unimpressed with Datko and that goes back to his Frosh year. If Matias is that guy then great let Datko sail in the wind. But I’d love to have him there regardless for insurance.
I'm not disagreeing....
just playing Devil(s’) advicate. I would love to have him as well if he is healthy enough to play. If not I think a scholarship is better than a guy on the sideline in warm-ups.
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Disagree
We have seen a lot of guys go down. Now Imagine if Matias or Hart were to go down. Who would we put in? I’d rather have Datko be a backup if that were all he was worth. Not some guy to get him experience. I think we are good enough to worry about the present not the future. But like I said the Oline is key to how good we can be.
I am just saying he physically can't go in now...
If he is the same next year he is of no use.
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agree with this...
I’d rather have Datko to fall back on, rather than starting, but I dont know if he would go for that.
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by cerebralfish on Nov 17, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Right guard is currenlty Garrett Faircloth. Very versatile linmean so far.
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by pasadenanole22 on Nov 17, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Totally disagree
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 17, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree with what your post said.
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 17, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't see it...
Matias, Farkenkrug, Stork/Barron, Faircloth, Hart
Unless Trickett really improves this group I just don’t see it.
Do you honestly not think
that this group will be much improved after all their experience this year and a full off-season of training?
I’m gonna have to disagree.
Not sure
I think they will be improved but how much. They have a lot of work to do in the weight room.
Barron is just downright small and weak. Faircloth isn’t quality guard material, Farkenkrug needs to improve as well. I’m just saying as a whole this ENTIRE group needs to improve a lot.
They don't have that far to go to be good IMO.
Fortunately (for 2012), some are getting snaps now. They can improve enough in the spring and summer to be good next season and very good by this time next year.
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by Jamil Dawson on Nov 17, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Faircloth has done pretty well at guard, so right there I am disregarding most of your thoughts on this.
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 17, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
ok answer this
how many 3rd and 1 have we converted this year?
Please see comment below
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 17, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
The whole year? Quite a few. Last two games? Not many.
Luckily those only occur 2 or 3 times out of ~65 plays.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 17, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Miami game
we had 7 plays that were 3 yards or less to conver of those we converted 4 of 7. We ran running play on 4 of the 7. 2 of those we coverted the others we didn’t.
Now that is just okay against what we can all agree is a SHITTY defensive line.
Now that is just okay against what we can all agree is a SHITTY defensive line.
Not really, no. Read the preview? Obviously not.
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Previously referenced preview.
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http://www.cfbstats.com/2011/leader/821/team/defense/split07/category10/sort02.html
which is something you posted
Like I said, go read what I posted about the defensive line in the preview. I’m done replying to you.
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Because this exchange has been painful to read....
Miami’s defensive line is decent, but not special. They’re missing Marcus Forston in the worst way. Now, DT Darius Smith has come on (listed at 335, probably 350). That’s a tough matchup for true freshman center Austin Barron, one of the many replacements on FSU’s offensive line.
Did you know: FSU has lost 3 offensive line starters since Spring, and 5 of its top 9? It’s true.
Anyway, FSU will be paying special attention to Olivier Vernon, as Miami will line him up over 17-year old tackle Bobby Hart. On the plus side, Zebrie Sanders should be able to handle Anthony Chickillo.
So they are a decent DLine
based on wat you say.
With that general understanding that they are a decent Dline.
Shouldn’t we convert on 3rd shorts and not run to the tackles?
I’m trying to state that our interior Oline sucks. Are you saying our Interior Oline isn’t as bad as I make them seem?
Nobody's arguing that isn't a problem.
What we are saying is 1) it’s not all on the OL. 2) Even with that problem we are still the best team in the ACC. There are other situations in a football game. We are currently 5th in the ACC in 3rd down conversion rate. Not exactly terrible.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 17, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yup. But the best teams make up for it in other ways
like by having the #1 ypp offense. This includes all downs, not just 3rd—-which account for the smallest percentage of plays.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 17, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you that we have a very explosive offense
We get our yards but we also get into these 3 and short situations and we can’t convert as well as the best team in the conference should. That is my point in all of this. Me personally and obviously this boils down to how you feel about football, I feel that we need to be able to convert those 3rd and shorts to beat Elite competition. They extend drives and are the difference between 3 and 7 points.
Nobody here is denying the fact that we've struggled in the short yardage run game.
With your comments, however, you’re making it seem like we have a system issue and not just a temporary problem.
I think past data show that it’s not a system problem, and it’s very likely we’ll see improvement next year.
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by FrankDNole on Nov 17, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Tell me Faircloth is doing good again... please I dare you.
Worst lineman every and the Virginia game proves it. He is garbage and frankly if you say otherwise you are either a homer, blind, or dumb.
Barron
I could’ve sworn he was like 6’2 295. How is that small?
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That's a midget
Our OL needs to be a minimum 6’9 350.
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If we don’t have 5 Phil Loadholts by 2014 then we must fire Trickett.
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never said anything about firing anyone
just said lets get some better interior lineman
and we have tried but failed
and it shows and if you disagree with that then the hell with you.
Haven't tried getting better interior linemen?
Tre Jackson and Barron look pretty promising. Ruben Carter, Trey Pettis, and Lovelady might turn out to be solid players too. Couple that with four 4* OT’s the last couple years, even though Prestwood left. We even got a commitment from the #1 JUCO OL last year and even though he’s struggling he’s much better then he was in the first couple of weeks.
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Pettis and Lovelady got beat by Barron
a no named 2 star recruit who was a grayshirt canidate by everyone on this site an in the world.
Don't want to have the star talk again..
please don’t start with that.
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Barron, Matias, and Hart are all freshmen who were not expected to see major playing time this year. They’re going to look overwhelmed at some point, and given all the experience they’re gaining by playing this year, along with workouts all offseason and a better mental grasp of what they have to do, I think the Oline will be fine in 2012.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Well I saw that coming
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by Matt Champion on Nov 17, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
If he convinces Peat to commit at pump #5 will he be allowed back??
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by PeachTreeNole on Nov 18, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Trickett has not been very impressive save for last year and we even got dominated at times last year against upper echelon competition. I don’t buy in to his less weight is better approach at the college level. It is great when you have four or five seniors across the line but not so much when you have a young group just beginning to adjust to his blocking schemes and weight regiments.
FSU had very, very good offensive lines in 09/10.
Elite offenses in those years came from QB, coaching and line play. Sure as hell wasn’t RB or WR.
Lots of uninformed people here, I think.
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We got dominated by OU in pass protect, couldn’t run the ball against UF despite blowing them out, and got dominated up front as a whole vs. Clemson last year with the best Oline we have had under Trickett.
We were very impressive against UM and USCe but overall still inconsistent and that is with a 1stRd QB who knew every protection and 5 Jr./Sr. players on the oline.
Hey, everybody! It’s cherry-pick day!
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The guy gets complete autonomy over the Oline even in recruiting. He gets to cherrypick whatever 2 star recruits he wants personally so yea forgive me if four years into his regime with all his own players I am pissed that we are still being dominated by upper echelon competition. His philosphy is what I disagree with but to the extent that we went out and landed some big sized studs like Matias and Hart last year I think we will see that phased out to a certian extent.
You’re just not right on this. But keep on believing whatever you want. FSU has had very good lines the last two years.
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That's not helping us now.
I think the future of our line looks good, but there’s no excuse for how bad they’ve preformed this year.
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really?
injuries are real. Ask any other team that has had as many as FSU.
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 17, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yes they are.
But even before we lost “5 of our top 9 OL” to injury we couldn’t even get a run game going against ULM or Chuck South.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
Our OL was injured throughout the offseason.
They rarely practiced and when they did it wasn’t the same group so there wasn’t any continuity. Preseason hype blinded many (especially me) to our OL situation.
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by Jamil Dawson on Nov 17, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
When I heard Datko and Sanders were missing practices
and Spurlock’s concussion issues I didn’t expect a great OL. But, there were several plays where certain OL were getting bullied by FCS competition, and no matter the number of injuries, that’s embarrassing.
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You don't win every battle.
This is why we rationally look at the numbers, becuase our brains have all sorts of biases that make us cherry pick examples.
Why not put more weight on UNC game? Miami game? NCSU?
#1 Running game in '09 I think
That’s actually a little shocking to me. I thought we aired it out a lot that year.
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Yep, we passed to set up the run very well that year.
In fact, I’d say that offense was the definition of “passing to set up the run”.
Oh boy. Can o'worms.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 17, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Not even getting into it today.
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Doesn't BC do one on OL yards?
Didn’t it show us having an elite OL last year?
I don’t think he trusts it much
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I think my general thinking
Is that our OL has been very good the two years, but that Trickett isn’t above criticism and that our OL should by all means have been better than it is this year, injuries or not.
I see Tricket as a good OL coach, and was elite at one time, but we should all wonder where he is in his life cycle of coaching. Everyone has a prime and he is what, 65 or something? How much longer is he going to enjoy screaming at 18 year olds. Last year was great for him because he had a ton of experienced players. While I imagine his is definitely on the downward slope of his peak coaching curve, he may have a few years of high level coaching left and in that case, I’m still supportive of him given what he brings to the table.
I'm done with this too lol.
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You don't get the third ranked
offense in 09 and the 7th ranked offfense in 2010 with crappy line play. Simple as that.
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by Matt Champion on Nov 17, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Our OL situation this year has been a huge mess
and we’re still the best team in the conference.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 17, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
We lost to clemson and we lost to WF
Now some people will say well if we were healthy. But someone can say well maybe Manuel would have been healthy had we have had a running game that would prevent Manuel from running it so much.
I"m sorry but we can’t convert a 3rd and 1. We can do everythign else on offense but the easiest thing and that is to convert a 1 yard run.
If we had Rodgers as a QB than yes we could get away without having a run game but we aren’t that good on offense. We could possibly win the ACC with our current Oline but I don’t see how we could win a NC without a good run blocking Oline.
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 17, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
And others
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 17, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
So what does that tell when
A TE is the reason we don’t convert because obviously the coachs see what I see.
A week interior offensive line so they try to bounce outside on 3/4 and short.
If we had a good interior O line we would never be trying to run to the outside that Little even becomes an issue.
Are you suggesting?
Are you suggesting that in 3/4 and short, that offenses should run inside every time? Sounds like it.
My recall is, Miami had to throw a jump ball to their tight end on 3 and and goal from the 1 because the first two times they tried to run inside they zip.
I would love to be able to run inside in short yardage. But I don’t believe in beating my head against a wall, either.
Little has been costing this team for a while. He won’t hurt us next year, of that, I’m fairly certain.
I’m not completely enamoured with our OL play either but you make it sound like a team should be able to convert every single third and short with an inside run and it doens’t work that way, especially around the goal line.
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I still
have no idea why that kid ever sees that field. I wish I could root for him since we both went to Lincoln but good gawd he’s awful.
Same, and same
Let’s hope the 2013 Lincoln WRs get a chance to represent Lincoln well
We would have 2 more wins this year with the line we currently have and EJ starting.
2012 is suppose to be a definite ACC championship year and possible title run. I’m not willing to bet the farm on Datko’s shoulders again. If he went down mid-season again, it could be devastating. I think we should just get the young guys ready. Of course if Datko’s shoulders were deemed completely reliable and he came out of the surgery with flying colors then of course we need him.
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by cerebralfish on Nov 17, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think we need Datko.
Though having him would be a welcome addition. We need for our OL to be healthy in the offseason and be able to work together before August.
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by Jamil Dawson on Nov 17, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Idk...
Matiaus is a question mark, the interior of the line is a giant question mark and hasn’t done muc this year to impress me at all. We can not impose our will to move the interior of a defensive line if we wanted to. The only team we were able to do that to was DUKE. Not impressive. Finally you have Hart, and he has played very well at at times this year. But I don’t think he is ready to dominate DE yet.
That being said if you feel that it takes a good O line to win and you think our O line is that type than we just disagree. I don’t think this O line is ready to move opponents anytime soon. If we want to win the ACC we are going to have to beat a very stout offense in Clemson, which means we will need to put up points. I just feel that our Offensive line and running game will suffer til we get some good interior blockers and we don’t have that.
Granted Datko is a LT not interior guy, but he will help that run game if he is healthy and can play.
Those are all question marks because of inexperience...
which is something these very talented kids are getting a lot of right now.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 17, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Curious as to why you're singling out Matias?
Have you seen (or not seen) something in him that specifically worries you, or is it just that he’s young and inexperienced?
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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 17, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
He just knows that name is all.
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by YouNoleIt on Nov 17, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sounds like it
As a matter of fact, Tre Jackson has really disappointed me this season too. Sheesh.
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by NoleThruandThru on Nov 17, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
so has
Sentrell Henderson…oh wait
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That Clowney kid
hasn’t even seen the field for FSU yet this season. What a bust.
Ive heard hes missed, like, every practice this year too
what gives?
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by NorFla_Nole on Nov 17, 2011 3:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Honestly
I’m worried bout the interior of the line but just feel that a veteran like Datko could help a young group. But I feel more comfortable with leaving Datko on an island to block then Matias.
Agree again if he is healthy....
the verdict is still out on Matias until we see him play.
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I'm very interested in his size
A little worried though that Hart started over him. Guess that has a lot to do with Hart getting good experience at STA.
That has to be alot of it....
also I hear the booty is nice for the position. I dunno sounds kinda inappropriate to me.
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The 17 year old Hart.
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18 is it now???
Sorry can’t remember.
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I think he just turned 17 in august... unless an announcer got it wrong.
Or me… but that is’t possible.
announcer was right
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by cerebralfish on Nov 17, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Dude. They are freshmen.
You are concerned with Matias because another freshman beat him out for the starting spot?
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I think that AZ sun is getting to him
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by NorFla_Nole on Nov 17, 2011 3:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am fairly confident
the interior will be the strong point of the 2012 OL, even if Datko comes back.
by YourWifeMyKids on Nov 17, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Agree with the good dr.
Our o-line has not maximized its potential yet because of injuries and inexperience. We have a 17 year old at right tackle, a converted tackle at right guard, Stork and Fahrenkrug have gotten much better but still have room to improve, and Zebrie will be drafted high because of his versatility. Our o-line will be fine in 2012, and even better if Datko comes back for another go-around.
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by Matt Champion on Nov 17, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
I think Georgia could hang w/ Notre Dame...
But I personally would love to see us destroy Notre Dame because I hate them as about as much as I hate the Gates…. I would also love for us to continue beating on SEC teams too…
And Florida holding out players for FSU is hilarious....
The outcome won’t be any different.
FSU will be favored by slightly more than a field goal. Not sure why people are assuming the outcome of that game. FSU is not getting the brantley-less Gators
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At least not to start the game.
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by BenDNole on Nov 17, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Not sure on that, he looked like he got hurt bad again on last play of South Carolina game.
Not sure what his status is now though.
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Same bad foot got stepped on again and he went down
writhing in pain.
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 17, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Could be higher.
Just looking at F/+ ratings, you’d think that FSU would be favored by 10+ on a neutral field. Might be as much as a TD in the Swamp.
It’s 4.5 now, expect it to drop when people realize EJ is more hurt than realized
F/+ ratings include three games with true freshmen QBs iirc
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It’s 4.5 now, expect it to drop when people realize EJ is more hurt than realized
In fairness, you could just change two words in your sentence and it could also be true:
It’s 4.5 now, expect it to increase when people realize Brantley is more hurt than realized.
Bud, can you elaborate a bit more on EJ's injury situation?
Granted, I believe it after seeing the play calling for the Miami game, but the UF game is less than two weeks away and to date there have been no major media outlets (that I’ve seen) reporting on it to corroborate that claim. Hell, I would at least expect a speculation-style article to have been written since then. It’s not like you’re the only person who talks to people associated with the team.
I would also add that earlier this year speculation on the severity of EJ’s injury and the length of time he would be out turned out to be less than 100% correct (meaning he came back earlier than we thought he would).
Meaning
You say “when,” but I think it’s more a matter of “if,” assuming EJ is as injured as we say he is (which we have no real way of knowing short of looking at his medical records).
Do you anticipate
Another offseason surgery for him and will he miss Spring ball again?
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Not sure really. Would not surprise me
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by lloydg on Nov 17, 2011 3:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
does*
sorry it’s getting contagious.
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Moreover...
Poor UF OL + Completly Immobile Brantly = A ton of sacks/pressure.
I know it's going to be competitive...
for atleast the 1st half ; but even if they had Brantley; who is he going to throw the ball too…. Jenkins, Werner, and who ever else name you want to throw in, is going to be in the backfield before he gets to his 1st read. Plus their receivers suck. Our O-line scares me though… I doubt we will be able to do much against their D-line in the run game. We need to go spread offense against Florida and utilize quick screens, and short passes to make-up for any lack of run game we may have. If we do that we should win easily. Our defense and special teams is going to keep us in good field position and them in bad field position…
Good time to unveil the "Clint Trickett jump pass" play that Jimbo has been sandbagging.......FTW.
We need to go spread offense against Florida
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How does two guys with injuries not playing against an FCS opponent = “Florida holding out a lot of guys” or hilarity?
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Will Muschamp: Wide Receiver Issues...
I wonder how long it’s going to take for him to realize that he has “Aubrey Hill” coaching his wide outs???
Weis makes Aubrey Hill look like an anorexic model
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