Grading the 'Noles: FSU 21 - UF 7
| Noles | Gators | |
| Score | 21 | 7 |
| Plays | 58 | 61 |
| Yards/Play | 1.60 | 2.93 |
| UF outgained FSU by Outgained by 83% per/play | ||
| Field Position | Own 46 | Own 23 |
| FSU's field position was 100% better per/possession | ||
Grading the 'Noles is a feature we introduced this year, and it's here to stay thanks to your support. By now, you probably know the drill. We take the goals from the game preview and then look to see how FSU did against them.
When is sat down to write this, I realized I had authored something similar last year for the Miami game: FSU finds hidden yards in beatdown of 'Canes. In that one, I wrote:
If you look at the drive chart, you'll see that FSU started drives at its own 40 and Miami started drives at its own 19. That's a 21-yard difference. A 21-yard difference might not seem like much, but when you compound it by noting that Miami and FSU each had 11 drives, it makes for an enormous advantage of 233 yards in Florida State's favor. Florida State started inside its own 20-yard line only three times, while Miami was pinned there or worse on eight of its 11 drives.
And the 'Noles field position advantage last night was even bigger than the 2010 Miami game. FSU had a hidden yardage advantage of almost 350 yards (340 to be exact). That is nuts. I mean, wow.
I'm struggling to find the words to describe how big this advantage really is, because we don't often talk about the subject. Would you be satisfied if I told you FSU hasn't had an advantage of this magnitude in a long time? Perhaps the best illustration of how FSU controlled field position is that the 'Noles won easily despite getting outgained by 83% per/play. To put it another way: UF outgained FSU by 84 yards. FSU's field position edge was 4x that.
The advantage came from special teams, defense and offense that played turnover-free football until the game was in hand.
Now to the goals. We start with the defense, because, well, unless you are Alabama or LSU, your defense is not definitively better than FSU's.
Hold UF to less than 5 yards/play.
Aced it.
2.93/play is really quite a special night of defense. This is a very good defense. It stayed healthy, has a lot of talent, and well-paid coaches. This should be expected when most everything goes right for a unit, as it has for the defense this year.
Force 2 turnovers
Top of the class. The 'Noles forced four turnovers, and they were not of the luck variety (interceptions are far more skill than fumble receoveries).
No more than 4 big plays (25+ yard pass plays and 15+ yard run plays).
FSU only allowed 1 big play (run of 23)! Excellent. As we said, UF can't drive and is overly dependent on the big play. This was a great job of not allowing explosive plays. UF had one drive and it involved multiple 4th-down conversions, a halfback pass, penalties and a fake field goal. FSU dared UF to win without its strength. It could not.
50% TDs or better in the red zone.
50% exactly.
This was a great defensive performance. All goals were easily accomplished. And it was truly a team effort. There wasn't one FSU player that stood out above the rest because they all played well.
Oh, and the two longest scrimmage plays of the game from either team were interception returns by FSU's defensive backs. Mercy.
Now to the offense.
At least 5.25 yards/play
Awful. FSU missed this goal by a huge margin. The question of how much FSU tried to move the ball versus protecting it after the first 16 minutes (14-0 lead) is absolutely valid. But even so, that effort was embarrassing.
No more than 1 turnover
FSU played turnover-free football until the game was over (Thomas fumbled with a 21-0 lead, 4:32 left in the game and UF without its QB).
If we criticize the offense for not moving the ball, we must also praise them for protecting it and not allowing UF's defense to move it via turnover return.
No more than 4 operational (pre-snap/alignment/delay) penalties.
This was a major improvement.
FSU was very sharp and handled the 90,000 quite well. Only 1 "operational" penalty was called (an illegal shift). Excellent work in this area.
At least 60% TDs in the red zone
Top notch. 100%
And even better work here. Jimbo said the team worked a lot on short yardage and red zone stuff. And they got it done.
What people are calling FSU's worst offensive performance in 55 years (1957) actually accomplished three of the four offensive goals. Perhaps that says more about how far down I had adjusted the offensive goals following the Virginia game. This was by no means anything but an ugly offensive performance.
But turnovers matter a bunch, folks. See also: the loss to Wake Forest. I'll take this offensive performance over the one against Wake (5 turnovers and a safety) every day of the week. Particularly when FSU has a defense of this caliber. I mean, NFL teams have won Super Bowls doing this. You can be happy that FSU realized its limitations and played to its strengths while still being very disappointed in the weaknesses realized.
And there's so much to be said about the special teams. FSU will likely finish with the top special teams in the country.
UF has really dangerous returners, and not only did FSU not allow them to return anything, but they treated them like they were nothing special. Many teams will give UF good field position because they kick short and avoid the returners. FSU wasn't scared or Rainey or Demps. FSU just hit great kicks and covered the heck out of them.
Dustin Hopkins and Shawn Powell didn't mess around. They simply went out and worked UF silly, pinning the Gators at their own 12, 20, 16, 1, 18, 25, 8, 20, 10 and 20. So basically, on almost all of UF's drives, they were being asked to move the ball 80 (and sometimes 90!) yards against FSU's tremendous defense. The offense let FSU pin UF. It deserves blame, but also praise for letting the defense and special teams do their job in advantageous positions. And what a job those two did with those positions.
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Really? The picture you choose is the one of an injured quarterback…
Weak sauce man, weak.
FSU back-2-back state champs!! 52-14
I don't mind it.
But then again, I may be biased.
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"If Alabama is the number 2 defense, FSU is 2A".
Think about it though. It’s bad taste to have a picture like that. There are a bunch of other ones to choose from. Trust me, I see the same pictures as he does in the story editor.
FSU back-2-back state champs!! 52-14
IDK, as I recall it seems that the history of UF/FSU games have had the losing QB writhing on the ground.
nothing new here
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"If Alabama is the number 2 defense, FSU is 2A".
Grapes. So very sour.
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by tricknole on Nov 27, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Give me a break!
This was a game of incredible defense and injuries. How could Bud not put a picture of an injured Gator?
by SarasotaSeminole on Nov 27, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Brantley had as much impact on the final score as anyone.
I’ve got no problem with it. Tells a major storyline of the game.
by seminoleballer on Nov 27, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Is this about something else?
Did Bud’s little league team beat yours in some type of championship game?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 28, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
I was a little worried when Brantley went down.
He had been our best player up until that point.
He was our offensive MVP.
No player did more with the ball in his hands to help FSU get the W.
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Shawn Powell > John Brantley last night.
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by DRusso97 on Nov 27, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yea but Brantley wasn’t exactly playing offense either
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by SteadfastNole on Nov 27, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
You said "with the ball in his hands"
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And, as a solo position player, was hugely responsible for the Win.
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Yup. Better distance and accuracy.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 28, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I actually agree here.
Brantley is a good kid that was put in two really bad situations. That poor kid, 3 and mile, go on kid get em.
class of 99
Definitely should have used this one:

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by Tubby Sweetbundle on Nov 28, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I liked the FSU player’s cleats in the original
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 28, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Good point
Gotta know who done the deed.
There is Nothing wrong with showing the wrath of the D.
Gimme some sugar, baby.
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Nov 28, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
I actually didn't like it either.
Just because I’d rather see DFree in the endzone or one of our many great defensive plays. Get Brantley off, he’s not worthy. Nice sig btw.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
As for YOUR sig and pic
…Bold of you to (obviously) lose a bet and go through with that. Must sting like hell.
Much respect, good sir.
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I agree...
I’m sure they have a good pic of one of the picks. Why not show Mike Harris, or even Parks with his TD.
You mean concussed.
FSU knocked him out.
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Right. But you use that (of an injured rival player) as your picture … nice, man. There weren’t other ones you could have picked? Say of an interception, a touchdown … etc., … whatever.
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by FlaGators on Nov 27, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This was the most fitting.
FSU went in and was far more physical than UF in their place.
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Okay. Fitting or not, it still shows poor taste in posting a picture like that of an injured player from another team. That’s why nobody really does it. If it is your player, sure, but another team’s player … come on.
FSU back-2-back state champs!! 52-14
Disagree. We celebrate physical play and knocking out opponents with clean hits
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 27, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
That’s fine and all, but seriously. There’s a line in certain types of things. But whatever, y’all have fun with it.
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If it was a picture of the guy taken off on a stretcher. Or him on a stretcher I would agree
but a picture of your rival QB on the ground after being knocked out of the game in which was all but 100% defensive and hard hitting I dont have a problem with.
A Seminole warrior killed in battle is a legend remembered. A Gator lost in battle becomes a pair of boots and a belt.
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Can't take this seriously.
Clean hit and a knockout. Celebrate it. I didn’t go with one of three stretcher shots.
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 27, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
speaking of concussed
What are the chances Jenkins is more likely to opt for the NFL after his concussion knowing that another one could ruin his chances at a pro career? I mean it seems like 2 or 3 and its over nowadays…spurlock…Haulstead and now Shaw looks to be next in line. I really wanted to see Jenkins next year and now Im worried about Shaw becoming Haulstead.
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by cerebralfish on Nov 27, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure he was leaving anyway.
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I doubt it.
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by cerebralfish on Nov 27, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
He was dressed during practice last week.
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You are really being a sissy on this one, sorry
Usually you are ok, but I think you are just being bitter on this
by SarasotaSeminole on Nov 27, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Let it go, man
Between the thread you hijacked last night actually defending the flagrant Elam hit out of bounds and complaining about a stupid picture today, this reeks of sour grapes.
by Pinto on Nov 27, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Really
Go cry with other weeping reptiles
Normally I don't mind him
but what does he expect coming on a NOLE site and complaining about things on posted on said NOLE site? Go sell crazy somewhere else…we’re all stocked up here…
FlaGators has a valid point.
To me anyways. Think I would be pissed if it was EJ on their site. Shoe on the other foot, etc. But in the end it’s not in bad taste and speaks to the physicality of the game. I like this one better though:

Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Nov 27, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I think he has half a point.
I would prefer one of one of our guys doing something good.
And if it were EJ, yeah, I would be annoyed.
That said, there is a line between gloating/being a poor winner and just simply documenting the game. I wasn’t crazy last year when our headline was about how we “Marcus Lattimore gets laid the F out.” (Apparently that was the caption on youtube and TN ran with it). But this is different. I wouldn’t like “Noles knock Brantley the F out,” but presented how it is, and considering what happened (7 injuries)…then I am ok with it.
get the f out of here.
haha, it was fine. I got it.
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 27, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, good. I got concussed trying to re-read it.
for me it comes down to the question—is the photo a good summary of the game or is it gloating?
If it’s a good summary, run with it.
If it’s gloating, then I’m not crazy about it. Doesn’t seem in line with what I expect from TN.
by Nole2005 on Nov 27, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec for:
I got concussed trying to re-read it.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Nov 27, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
How about a pic of Jenkins and Jernigan smashing Brantley's face in?
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I think this one should be used after every Gators loss.

Nice legs. What time do they open?
by Nole Resurrected on Nov 28, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
yes yessss
Your tears are so sweet!
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Nov 28, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
cheese with your whine sir?
D-Hop has tiger blood
by camfsu04e on Nov 27, 2011 8:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He is OBJECTIVE gosh dangit!
OBJECTIVE!
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Then why not
The Shaw hit for the Sooner game?
The shaw hit wasn’t a clean play and he was carried off on a stretcher.
I"m going to refrain from insulting you for saying something stupid
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Nov 27, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
You sir are why fan is short for fanatic. The pure inability to see things from an objective viewpoint.
I do not like the idea of ever showing off an injury. Injuries suck, they prevent you from doing the things you love.
I will readily admit I am a fanatic fan.
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Nov 27, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
As much as I disagreed with FlaGators on the Elam hit in the other thread
I am very much in agreement with him here. I’d rather see a pic of a ’Nole balling out on the field than an injured UF player.
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by TitanNole on Nov 27, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Even if two Noles balling out caused it?
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I think it was more of a fluke play.
Jernagin was putting a solid shot on Brantely and knocked him into Jenkins as much as Jenkins hit Brantley. Have to remember this was the play that took Brandon out as well…
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Nov 27, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
I really love that Jernigan was a Gator fan growing up.
at least partially makes up for all the Nole fans we lost during the lost decade.
I'm thinking the same thing...
I think it was more of a fluke play.
It actually didn’t look that bad when it happened. I thought both guys were trying to hold up and hit him face mask to face mask. I guess being sandwiched is what hurt him.
BTW-I don’t think the pic is in bad taste, but I do think a pic of a victorious Nole would be better. JMHO.
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BTW...back in the 90's there was a pic of an FSU safety...
(I think it was Shivers??) standing over a crumpled uf QB. That was an awesome pic.
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Just change it to a picture of puppies and balloons so noones sensibilities are inflameds
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by Blue Horseshoe on Nov 27, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
inflamed
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat"
by Blue Horseshoe on Nov 27, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, that is what I was referring...
Thanks for posting, brings back some good memories.
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Not in poor taste.
Ali never hit Liston with anythng that looked like a knockout punch. Take at look at the tape from Lewiston, Maine. The tape from the game shows that the hit on the Gator QB was much more brutal.
He may not have hit Liston at all! I hear Liston may have owed some
money to the Mob and took a dive.
In any case, let’s say Liston WAS hurt. Would that make this photo any less iconic? I say not. I say most people probably assume the guy on the canvas was hurt.
Anyway, my point for FlaGators was to point out that, if we remove all images of athletes in pain from the history of sports photography, we’d be missing some real legendary photos.
For example, how about this one, and it is even SIGNED by the injurer and injuree!!!!
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
GoNolz, no question that the picture is iconic.
The question was “bad taste”. I was saying that it was not.
Re: The picture above, if Theisman is under there and that is his signature, then I cannot look at it closely, and I refuse to do so. Once was enough. Never again. However, great choice to illustrate the issue.
Ali actualy did hit him. Its amazing the technology and slo mo that they use now
He threw a punch then kind of clubbed him. Instant reaction to the floor. The Phantom punch actually looks real. Technology ftw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prxnGjKjxoo&feature=related
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I think it's a fair picture to post.
Remember, Jenkins was also concussed on the same play. There just wasn’t picture of Jenkins on the ground.
Nice legs. What time do they open?
by Nole Resurrected on Nov 28, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
He initially was going to run a picture of Charlie Weis......but couldn't format it to fit the page.
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by DRusso97 on Nov 27, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Showing a picture of Weiss doing injustice to a cooler or choking own a stadium-dog would have been in poor taste
But showing Brantley crumpled like a squid on florida field is exactly what you do on a football message board.
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by Blue Horseshoe on Nov 27, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone have the shot of Weiss getting his front butt slapped by mistake
when he called the successful Brantley to AC Leonard 24 yard pass down the middle in FSU territory with less than 2:00 minutes to go in the half?
That dude looks straight-up out of a cartoon. I never thought the human body could take that shape.
by seminoleballer on Nov 27, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
The pic is a representation of the game.
A proud team that just got shell shocked. If we didn’t know he suffered a concussion on this play the pic would be deemed perfect, and it is.
It’s not nasty or a chest pump moment. It actually shows the feeling from the game…beaten down by defense. Trying to get back up but the season has just been too much. Actually a very good picture to use even if you’re a UF fan. It’s been a tough season.
Rec'd for proper usage of FUPA.
FUPA ftw.
Nice legs. What time do they open?
by Nole Resurrected on Nov 28, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Who cares?
It’s not like his leg is snapped in half or he’s paralyzed or some crap.
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Even the fans are soft.
I think FlaGators got a concussion from just viewing the pic.
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by cerebralfish on Nov 27, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
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Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
Pictures say a million words don’t think he meant to make fun out of brantley
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by Noles2thadef on Nov 27, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. If there was obvious gloating on our part of if the play was dirty, then I would agree with FLA.
But last night’s game was a nasty physical game. Showing one of the injuries seems apt. It’s merely a record of what we all saw and what we already know happened. There’s no secret. Brantley got injured.
Meh...I thought AA mocking Greg Reid on THEIR article was in silly taste, so I guess we're even.
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by CornNole on Nov 27, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That and this, taken straight from their main page recap:
I stayed to see Matt Elam throw down a Florida State player and earn Florida’s best penalty this season.
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by shonole on Nov 27, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Doesn't matter. It's still on the front page of your teams site, as well as the snippy comments on Reid. You can't have it both ways. It's a college sports blog and that is what college sports blogs do. I'm gonna have to rec Corn and Sho on this one.

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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Whatever, cry baby...

Gimme some sugar, baby.
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Nov 27, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would love to read something on here without you chiming in.
by cbs_24 on Nov 27, 2011 7:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well, there are plenty of places here at TN in which I’ve not commented in. So look around at bit. Explore the place. Enjoy yourself.
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by FlaGators on Nov 27, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I see your point IF
he was knocked out by a cheap shot, etc. But he was knocked out legally. Knocking out the opponent (legally) is and always has been a part of FB.
Championship!
couldn't find a pic of a non-injured Gator
Championship!
by TLHWG on Nov 27, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
How about this iconic pic of Hall of Famer Y.A. Tittle?
Bad taste? I don’t think so.

by Dauntless12 on Nov 27, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Good choice.
Bears vs. Giants. Bears defense bloodies and beats the Giants and Tittle. Yea. That picture does tell the story. Good point.
I have good memories of that game because since the Bears and Giants won their respective conferences that year, the second place finishers came down to Miami to play an exhibition game in the Orange Bowl and I got to see my first NFL game. It was my Browns and Jimmy Brown against Lombardi’s Packers.
My father.
I grew up in Broward County where the closest baseball or football team was in Washington D.C. My dad was from Cleveland so the Browns and the Indians were my teams. I was six when Frank Lane traded Rocky Colavito for Harvey Kuenn (Sp?) and I was one pissed off first grader. When Frank Ryan threw those TDs to Collins in the 64 NFL Championship Game I was in my glory.
Considering FSU had a short field on 2 of the three scores
95 yards of offense doesn’t sound so bad. But then again the conservative play calling drove me up a wall last night. I wish I knew more about what was going on with EJ because I would like to explain why he hasn’t played well at all the last two-three games.
I'm hoping you are right
He seemed to do pretty well filling in for Ponder last year when called upon, especially in the Peach Bowl.
I agree. Lots to work on,
but we have all seen EJ play better than this.
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 27, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
i think his confidence is shot. he’s been under attack on the field and the sideline, lately.
by nole country for old men on Nov 27, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
THIS and his arm is being favored badly since BC. hes hurt worse than we realize i think
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Does anyone really think he would be starting if we had a dominant line or run game? I like EJ, but he’s not too good. I think Jimbo is killing his confidence. Next time you watch a game, watch the sideline and you will see Jimbo ripping EJ a new one literally every time he goes to the sideline. I’m all for military style teaching, but at some point positive reinforcement is necessary. JMO
Hopefully I’m wrong and EJ is just hurt and its something that gets fixed. If we had last years running game, i’m not so sure Clint couldn’t do just as good of a job if not better.
FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!
He would be starting regardless.
He’s better than Trickett. And almost nobody would agree with you on that point.
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Conservative playcalling
I was frustrated too, but I knew it was the right thing to do until UF showed some life and scored.
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Every TD
last night was a mixture of good D and awful offense IMO.
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Agreed.
At 14-0 the only player capable of winning or losing the game was EJ Manuel. He’s a fumble factory and he routinely makes bad decisions that turn into picks or opportunities for picks. I was all for riding it out and taking home the W. Even with the play calling as it was he couldve lost a fumble and shouldve been picked. His confidence is absolutely in the gutter and has been for a long time.
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by cerebralfish on Nov 27, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
sorry, didn’t see this before i posted pretty much the same thing above:
His confidence is absolutely in the gutter and has been for a long time.
by nole country for old men on Nov 27, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
I thought the play calling was an illustration of Jimbo understanding that he had better special teams and defense and a very limited offense. It was definitely not the prettiest offense to watch, but was certainly what was needed to win the game IMO.
I was fine with keeping the playcalling conservative, but...
I wish that we would have mixed in a few more bubble screens. I felt like we were doing the read option too much into the strength of UF’s defense (front 7) and we didn’t really challenge the weakness of their D (secondary). I think the bubble screens would have put a lot of pressure on their secondary to make tackles in open space against our athletes…
Has little to do with EJ...
Our Oline simply is bad. UF has the best DL talent wise we’ve seen. Completely limits what we can do, I thought the play calling was excellent for the limitations we had…
There is no 'u' in awesome, but there is a "me". Deal with it...
Lot to do with ej
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 27, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
any thought on if he’ll go under the knife before the bowl game?
by booshigotyou on Nov 27, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
His shoulder is hurt, but more importantly his confidence is hurt.
With his shoulder in its current state, we should expect average QB play from the pocket. He is a fumble factory and a few dropped picks from an int machine. I think this all goes back to lack of confidence as a starting QB. I hope people dont think when his shoulder gets back to 100% he will magically make good decisions with the ball. Jimbo has work to do with this one.
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by cerebralfish on Nov 27, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
I really don’t think the current EJ gives us any better chance to win than Clint. With that being said, Clint should be playing.
Here’s to us getting the old EJ back next year.
No Way
Our offensive line is not good enough to protect Trickett.
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by SeminoleMike on Nov 28, 2011 6:57 AM EST up reply actions
That and as mediocre as EJ is
Trickett is still capable of doing much more damage to our team on his worst day than EJ will do on his worst day.
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by cerebralfish on Nov 28, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
sadly, i think this season has turned ej into garrett gilbert. i’m hoping this isn’t the case, but i’m also hoping the coaching staff is getting clint or coker ready to be the #1.
by nole country for old men on Nov 27, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
i dont think so. still standin in the pockett...too long? injury and all
Think his lack of run ability/favoring shoulder and the ol are both swirrled into ej’s recent regression… he will be better with health
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I think all ncfom was saying is that if EJ doesn't turn it around and isn't getting it done, someone else needs to.
oh you think so?
I think I understood and was saying i dont think hes that far gone and can be recovered.
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Really like this article/series. Glad it stays.
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This picture makes me almost want to stop making fun of the guy because its so sad. Seriously, with my new sense of not making fun of him, in all seriousness, he resembles jaba the hut…its sad, God bless him
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Especially when you just keep eating bacon cheeseburgers and not exercising
But Weis thinks that’s his doctor’s fault…
by NoleDBA00 on Nov 27, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've heard he had a botched bariatric surgery.
But how badly can this type of survey be botched? Instead of removing part of his stomach, did the surgeon accidentally install two or three ADDITIONAL auxiliary stomachs?
by Dauntless12 on Nov 27, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
They actually have a pretty high failure rate (25% give or take).
And even in the ones that do work, long term studies are beginning to show that patients tend to regain a significant portion of the weight lost after a couple of years.
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and i think it can shave years off life expectancy
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by Blue Horseshoe on Nov 27, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
More years than being 500+ pounds?
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That's what one UF alumnus has told me a couple times.
But they don’t remove your stomach, just staple it shut to decrease the size of it I believe. Does failure just mean he ate too much and the staples came apart (painful)?
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Is it just me
Or did seeing Charlie make anyone else depressed? Such a depressing man.
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by RoyalOaksNole on Nov 27, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
After the Brissett pick
they showed him walking back to the cooler. I felt bad for the guy. I really hope he gets his weight in check.
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Yes.
I don’t find his situation funny at all any more, self imposed or not.
It's hilarious that his situation is UF's situation.
He is depressing. But him being UF’s crippled OC is awesome.
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Like how you worked in a "work'em silly gators!" jab
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat"
Wow
Laremy Tunsil said he’s leaning UF. Can a brother get an OL coach that can freakin recruit!
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What happened last year?
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By one I mean successful OL classes (on paper might I add)
and 4 being the last 4 years he’s had to put a unit together.
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2008 very successful too
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Who was '08 again?
Sanders, Datko, Spurlock, and Faircloth?
Serious question.
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Sanderson, Snider, and Tonga (JUCO)
Check my fan post. About 08-10 OL recruiting. Yes, I’m plugging myself
haha
I’ve read it. So pretty much 2 very good players, 1 solid player, 1 player who shouldn’t be on the field (Faircloth), 1 scrub, and 2 no longer with the team. Very successful?
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
It's very good for a single year but NOT good when you
consider the context of successive years. We can’t recruit a good OL class every 3 years and sustain a top notch team, can we?
I was passing judgment on that class
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 28, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
I know, just clarifying that it's one point in a bigger picture.
Don’t know if it’s failure to prioritize from top-down, issues with regional recruiters, or comes back to Trickett (still my assumption), but the overall erratic nature of personnel management at OL is the heart of the issue, not whether they can/cannot recruit in a single year (which they did last year, as you noted).
And I disagree with your slant there on some of those
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Which ones?
Would Faircloth even be a backup for a team with an elite OL?
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Absolutely
And snider in particular was loved by them pre injury
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Right, Snider is no longer with the team, correct?
Is Sanderson gone too? If so make that 0 scrubs and 3 off the team.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
In fairness,
they loved Fahrenkrug too. Until he got onto the field.
by STAquinasNole on Nov 27, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think Trickett is the man for the job?
Or do you feel we could make a change there and have good chance of improvement quickly?
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by cerebralfish on Nov 27, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Current problem isn't young depth
Unless we get more transfers or MDQ’s, 2012 didn’t need to waste scholarships on OL.
2013 we need to take 4-5 minimum.
I know, my point is it's early
Dont forget that RT isn’t only coach recruiting. 11 class OL were recruited by all coaches. While RT specializes, we do recruit a lot regionally
But it's clear he's an a-hole and a lot of elite recruits don't want to play for him.
While he may not be the initial recruiter to claim that he isn’t the largest determinant in whether the OL recruits are buying into what FSU is selling isn’t quite honest.
So it's apparently down to UF and FSU
we crush them and he names them his leader. No concern?
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5 stars dont play for tricket
5 stars means other people know they are good, and some little old man cursing and screaming at them all day well…..kids dont take that crap nowadays
Seriously F the ACC and it's Refs
That's a BIG problem IMO.
Unless he’s hauling in 4*’s AND keeping them healthy/on the team/etc.
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Exactly...
Jimbo hooking his career up to an OL coach that is failing on multiple levels. Not the thing to do.
Which is why he's not doing it
He’s sticking with a great coach who is happening to have one tough year because injuries have eaten away all of the depth at the position.
Any other OL coach would be having the same problems with this unit-or any other unit of comparable depth-when given the same circumstances Trickett had.
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by Dogrel on Nov 27, 2011 10:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Half of our OL are freshman, 7 of 14.
Having only 7 non-freshmen OL is a huge problem and that’s even before injury/attrition.
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by tricknole on Nov 27, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And like I said,
Having 5 starters and key backups gone for a whole season is a tough, possibly season-killing situation for any OL unit anywhere, 7 freshmen or not.
I don’t know why we didn’t have more OL recruits brought in, but I refuse to believe it’s for lack of trying. Our record of recruiting-both Trickett’s and Jimbo’s- simply says otherwise.
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by Dogrel on Nov 28, 2011 12:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Needed to rebuild the defense. At the time, it was the most significant problem.
I still think we’re thin at LB. Our reserves are Luc & Telvin. When Bradham goes, it gets thinner. We’ll have a decent OL and then complain about being thin at LB and people will call for Hudson to go.
I know, I agree and I've made that point before
But we also had OL targets and we didn’t get them, too. Maybe we weren’t pushing the OL recruiting as hard as the defense then, but we were still recruiting it.
Same thing with LB. just because we were pretty full this year doesn’t mean we’re not still looking. Like you point out, depth problems are never completely solved, and you never know when you get a shot at a true elite talent.
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by Dogrel on Nov 28, 2011 1:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Even more reason
for Wilder to move to LB, we’ll be stocked at RB when Pender arrives.
by kanole on Nov 28, 2011 7:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't buy that.
Attrition happens, but OL and DL should always be the most heavily stocked units. They take way too much of a beating to expect to stay healthy.
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by SoCalNole on Nov 28, 2011 5:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don't buy it either.
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This, AND you can be average at alot of skill and still move the ball if you can block (pass and run)
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5?
I count 3, no? Spurlock, Orelus and Datko. Please don’t tell me you are counting medical dq guys like Sanderson. Only 2 of the 3 were projected starters and BOTH have missed significant time over the last season or two so their absence this season shouldn’t be too alarming.
Who cares if it’s due to “a lack of trying” or not? The ONLY thing that matters in recruiting is the end result. You either win or you lose. The kid either signs or he doesn’t. There is no gray area in recruiting. You meet your needs or you don’t.
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FSU’s offensive line should never be this bad. Injuries aren’t the only problem. Trickett has failed to recruit and retain talent on the o-line. We need an o-line coach who is not only a great coach, but one who is good recruiter and isn’t as abrasive.
Agreed
FSU is the top program in the ACC. There’s no reason FSU’s OL should ever be so bad that they can never pick up a 1st down in short yardage situations. We know that Trick isn’t a great recruiter largely due to his personality. But I’m not sure that he’s the greatest developer either—yes, Hudson was one of the best Guard’s that I’ve ever seen, but Zebrie is a 4-year starting Sr and he’s regularly making mental mistakes (holding, false starts, etc.).
Championship!
I wouldn't mind him naming them his leader, but what he had to say about our staff was concerning.
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I read it in a premium article so I won't say what he said.
But I will say…most recruits want a few things when they go through their recruitment:
A chance to play early
A place that fits (culturally, academically, “family” feel, religiously, whatever)
To feel the love from coaching staffs
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He doesn’t hear much from our coaches
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by SteadfastNole on Nov 27, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
He's a 5* OT
and we’re really down to only a few targets for 2012 and our staff doesn’t talk to him much? #facepalm
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THIS.
I’m sorry we haven’t been calling you enough, lover boy. You can’t even sign for another year and a half, get over it.
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Yea...
that will win a lot of recruiting battles for FSU. Especially on the OL.
There comes a point where you can only do so much.
Trickett is going to turn some guys away because of his attitude, regardless. But if a guy that is a target for NEXT years recruiting class can’t understand that A)We’re still playing football, and 2)We need to primarily focus on players that can make an impact on the OL in 2012, then D)He needs to get over it.
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disagree strongly.
It’s standard recruiting. You don’t ignore studs. The class year doesn’t matter. Especially when most of 2012 is on board. That is one of the arguments for getting commits early—so you can focus on the next group of kids.
I’m sure Tunsil WILL get over it if that is Trickett’s attitude. He’ll get over it by signing with a rival. Which is NOT good.
by Nole2005 on Nov 27, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't we in a "quiet period" up until yesterday?
So contact would be up to Tunsil, not the coaches.
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I'm clear on that, just trying to see how much he COULD hear from the coaches.
Under NCAA rules.
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If Laremy said that then it's pretty obvious that during periods of contact
he isn’t hearing much from our coaches. That seems clear.
You don't even know the kid yet you're insulting him.
It seems pretty obvious we are contacting him much less frequently than our competitors. THAT is a problem.
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Color me nuts then.
Should we be contacting him more? Probably. But why insult the coaching staff if we don’t know just how much less he is being contacted?
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Especially considering, as Bud eluded to..
Jernigan did the same. And he and Tunsil are close.
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Jernigan didn't complain about not being contacted
we won Jernigan because he had a really tight relationship with Odell. Not hearing from someone is a really crap way to establish a good relationship.
And
there was a coaching change involved in TJ’s decision too.
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Yes, and unless we expect Muschamp to be gone after this year
all the more reason to get that relationship with Laremy cemented.
UF had been his leader twice, prior to him choosing us.
Now he’s swapped back again.
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Sounds like a fickle five star to me
No reason to bail on our coaches recruiting ability.
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Not sure how UF had been his leader twice if no other school led for him prior to us.
I’m not sure shonole knows what they’re talking about. I don’t believe hardly anyone on here really knows anything in regards to recruiting.
I had heard back over the summer that he was an FSU from some and from others that he was a UF lean. In the fall it seemed he was an FSU lean. I don’t recall any quotes to support the opinions people were having. This is the first quote I’ve ever seen.
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From interviews with him, Trick. No need to call me out.
Nov. 20th:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl5N4l6md7A
Back in April:
http://florida.247sports.com/Article/Tunsil-already-has-a-clear-leader-22618
Again in April, after the Nike Camp:
http://www.gatorcountry.com/football_recruiting/article/nike_combine_notebook_tunsil_likes_gators/11355
Gator fan his entire life. Only interested in us because of Jernigan.
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I'm talking about your comment saying he keeps switching his leader.
Trying to paint him as wishy washy and that he’s making up this stuff about not being as close with our coaches as others.
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I never once said he was making anything up.
And him switching his leader is fact. He’s a HS junior, and he’s been a UF fan his entire life, chances are he’s going to swap a few more times too. I’m just saying, don’t paint the coaches as terrible, because a kid who is an admitted UF lean, says they aren’t giving him enough love.
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And you don't know how much less frequently.
I’m willing to bet it’s not nearly as much as he puts on. Especially considering the fact that most recruits, when asked why those chose FSU, speak of how it feels like a family, they feel loved, etc, etc, etc.
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doesn't matter how much.
if we are serious about him, and we should be, we need to give as much gas as humanly possible. Dude is a freak.
It's about how he PERCEIVES it.
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I asked before (honest question).
But weren’t we in a “quiet period” up until yesterday anyway? So contact would be left up to Tunsil, and not the coaches?
Mike Martin should go coach Hawaii. Then he could have all the poi's he ever wanted - MattDNole
IF that’s the case, then Tunsil is full of it, sense contact with coaches is up to him. Again, that’s IF we were in a quiet period.
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It's a recruiting problem and that includes Trickett, if that's what you mean.
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Do we know what the nature of the problem is actually?
Sounds like all we got is very little information and we all jumped to a conclusion. We seem very prone to doing that when the conclusion is something that makes Trick look bad.
Problem is
OL recruiting leaves something to be desired, and so does the actual OL play. Who else is there to blame for those?
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Before I'll say that Trickett has done a poor job
I need to know:
1. How other top programs do when they have significant OL injuries. Are we worse, average, or better at dealing with injuries to center, guard, tackle, and back-ups? Can Oklahoma lose this many and still do well on offense?
2. How much of the recruiting problems are due to him vs Jimbo focusing on recruiting defense/DL?
3. How do you explain last years top (or second best) OL recruiting class, if he’s not any good at recruiting?
4. How do you explain the turn around in quality OL play when he took over BB’s line, which was so bad it was laughed at by anyone paying attention?
5. How do you explain how well the offense had been the last two seasons, if he can’t coach an OL?
by Meehl on Nov 27, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
'Other top programs'...
fire coaches for the dumpster fire that is our OL.
Especially when that same coach worked the school for a big pay raise a few years ago.
Sure. Name the program that fires an OL coach who did well for a number of seasons
and then drops the ball one season in which there are many injuries?
Better yet, name the program that laughed off the number of injuries to the OL and performed well anyway? This would definitely make Trickett look bad.
Thank you Meehl
Well put.
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Up until last weeks implosion.
FSU had an Offense rated pretty well. Not FSU caliber but not outside the top 50. With 5 of your top 9 not taking a snap…not too shabby.
I think Trickett has done a fine job
His boot camp style was exactly what was needed 5 years ago. His tactics have largely gone overlooked—probably rightfully so—but with the current situation it’s naturally being viewed as a negative now…especially if behind the scenes stuff starts bubbling up. It might be time for a change, despite the fact that he’s produced in the past.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 28, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Someone claimed that he punishes OL in practice by making them work without their knee brace. I have no idea if its true and I doubt the person who said it knows insider knowledge. However, if he’s endangering the health of players as punishment, I would demand to my computer monitor that he be fired.
As cautious as this entire staff is with every type of injury (save EJ)
Do you really think that’s true?
NOT 1 of BB's O-Line is as bad as this years.
I’m not saying he has to go, but you can’t honestly think there have been worst offensive lines. We recruit the best of the best in the state. Ya’ll act like this is a shock. Trick knows his personel and has been here for over half a decade. There is no excuse for this. I mentioned this in the spring and most people jumped all over me for saying so, “uh we got injuries we’ll figure it out, Datko and Sanders don’t need to gel or practice.” And guess what, I was right, they did and they do still suck. The way i see it our backup lineman are a waste of a scholarship. There are walk-ons that are superior to some of the bums we dress. Our backups should be able to step in and compete/be serviceable. As it stands now, they can’t even come close…. You are delusional if you think this isn’t the worst FSU o-line in recent memory.
FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!
I think the state of affairs of the OL was worse but I'm not sure the actual performance was any different than this year.
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Our OL was AWFUL this year.
That’s how I remember the McHale year(s). Difference being the cupboard isn’t bare for next year like what McHale left us.
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It's at least comparably bad.
We have better skill position players than we did in the pit of the Bowden era, so that masked some of our shortcomings.
Can you imagine what Weatherford would have looked like behind this OL?
by arrdub on Nov 28, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe it's nostalgia
but I remember Weatherford getting really good at evading blitzes.
In fact, I think Weatherford’s progression in the pocket went
1. evade DL
2. evade LB
3. evade CB
4. look for WR
Good point,
Though that particular year Washington was about 20 lbs overweight and, if you’re honest, Booker has never really been asked to run the ball in the NFL.
Eh
We struggled to run the ball with two NFL RBs
Didn't Jeff Bowden put Booker in on short yardage plays and run him up the middle instead of Washington?
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I've forgiven both Rix and Weatherford for having to QB under Jeffy
But I’m not going to forgive Jeffy for having no O-line.
That's actually kind of off base.
Gotta blame Bobby (or Heggins or McHale, but really Bobby) for that. One area that wasn’t Jeff’s fault.
I actually think if we had a top flight OL coach post-2000 we might not have seen the dramatic dip that we did see. In the end it might have been a bad thing as the struggles at OL just let Jeff’s incompetency come shining through.
What's that have to do with my question?
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Correct me if I'm wrong,
but aren’t recruiting decisions, including #‘s of players at various positions, a staff decision driven by the head coach, not necessarily the realm of the respective position coaches? I’m sure each position coach would like to bring in the lions share of players every year. If this is correct, then the lack of OL’s isn’t just on Trickett
I don't know.
That has nothing to do with us doing a poor job of making the kid feel like he hears from us a lot and that he knows our coaches.
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But wouldn't not being able to contact him influence that?
How can you show a kid love, if he doesn’t put forth some effort too? I just confirmed, we were in a “quiet period” which means coaches can email and call (I’m not certain just how often) but are not allowed to visit more than once (at a sporting event). The recruit, however, can visit campus. Given that he’s in Lake City, that’s a very short trip. And, from what I recall, I haven’t heard that he has visited at all this year.
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It would influence ALL of the schools.
So why does he still say he has little contact with US?
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I honestly don't know.
But given this staff’s track record at recruiting, I’m more apt to believe them than a kid that has flipped his “favorite” 4 times in the past 6 months.
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Why do you keep repeating that lie? Just to discredit the kid? Someone who might be a major commitment for us at some point.
I’m more apt to believe we don’t consistently recruit well on the OL because…we don’t.
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See my other post, if you believe it's a lie.
Don’t call me out before researching something.
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Don't tell me not to call you out if you can't prevent me from calling you out...?
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If you want to call me out about something you admitted to knowing nothing about, then fine.
But don’t call me a liar, because you couldn’t “recall” any quotes saying he was a UF lean.
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THere are 2 sides to every story.
Maybe he is telling it staight and FSU’s coaches aren’t showing him the love he wants.
On the other hand maybe there is more to the story that Tunsil is telling. Hard to argue with the track record of FSU and recruiting (except OL 2009 and 2010 of course).
I just think it is maybe jumping the gun to say it is abject negligence on the part of the coaches unless we know the whole story. It seems odd for this staff to be negligent.
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by Blue Horseshoe on Nov 27, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
This.
Mike Martin should go coach Hawaii. Then he could have all the poi's he ever wanted - MattDNole
UF is going to get theirs.
Can’t win em all. We lost Elam too. Who was to blame on that? We lost the lb to Clemson last season. This kid, and he is really a kid, has a whole year left.
No one is up in arms about a single recruit.
It’s just that this single recruit happens to be the current poster child for the ONLY area of struggle in FSU’s recruiting efforts.
I know.
I’m saying it’s not like our 2012 board is full so it shouldn’t be hard to reach out to a 5* player in a position of need.
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Exactly...
this isn’t going to end well for Jimbo.
His quote about FSU's coaches makes this even worse...
what does it take to make OL recruiting top prioritiy?
we brought in 8 OL last cycle (9 if you want to count prestwood). i think the coaching staff is aware that this team’s success will be found along the lines.
by nole country for old men on Nov 27, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
It may sound a little conspiracy-theoryish, but...
I felt like Jimbo kept the play-calling conservative and predictable to not just protect the ball and the lead, but also partly to not run the score up on Muschamp and embarrass him. We could have called so many better plays, but seemed so damn limited to draws and a handful of other simple, safe plays.
Again, this is totally and absolutely my crazy, unfounded theory, but it doesn’t seem improbable.
/putsontinfoilhat
/sipskoolaid
"Rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in"
Nah
Our offense really couldn’t get squat going. And with a 14-0 lead and with their offense playing like it was, it’s smart to go conservative.
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LOOK
Just play along, if only to slightly placate the part of me that wants to believe that our offense isn’t really that bad (ok it is that bad but god I just want it to be fixable please oh please)
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We could have kicked and scored late.
Jimbo was both running clock and not embarrass Muschamp. That isn’t special treatment, he’s done that every game.
We could have fake "downed it"
On the last play. Ej was standing around for 7-8 seconds with the ball and both teams just standing there. One of our receivers should have gone out. Easy to and in excellently poor taste. Would have been awesome.
by dale gribble on Nov 27, 2011 8:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Jimbo could have won 45-7 he would have.
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by Blue Horseshoe on Nov 27, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Jimbo doesn't generally run up the score.
I think he usually looks to put a 17- to 24-point lead up and protect the ball. Unless it’s a D2 school or something, where (1) they can’t stop us and (2) you run the risk of being penalized if you don’t win huge.
Even the UM and UF games last year were more blowouts due to UM and UF screw-ups rather than a serious effort to run up the score on our part..
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by Drew J Jones on Nov 28, 2011 6:45 AM EST up reply actions
Then why does Manuel stay in the game and get hurt against BC after the lead is safely in-hand?
Just sayin’….
Why did we run the hell out of Manuel in those 4 games when we had safe leads?
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You mean like on the last drive against Duke, for example?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 28, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yezzir.
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Because EJ improvs pretty well and our o-line sucks ass.
And it keeps the clock moving in any case.
Not saying that’s his thinking, or that I even agree with it (I don’t). Jimbo does weird things sometimes. For example, I think he holds all Top 10 spots on the list of Most Bubble Screens Thrown for 3 Yards in a Game.
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by Drew J Jones on Nov 28, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
This game reminded so much of LSU's NC game in (2003?)
It seemed obvious Saban had no confience in his offense and sent a clear message to his…ahem…OC that his defense would win the game as long as he sat in the corner watching, but not touching anything.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 28, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Or the 7 points they put up at home to 8-5 UF that year?
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Will Muschamp called his team "soft" after the performance
Noles played strong and brought home the win. The times they are a changin’.
Great special teams and defense
Eddie Gran has earned his $$. Special teams has been very good all year. Credit the defensive coaches for improving throughout the course of the year. This is what well-coached teams do. Let’s get our qb healthy and figure out something with the offensive line (admittedly, doesn’t look like an easy task right now) and come back strong next year. We’re starting to develop quality depth all over the field (night and day difference from 3 years ago). This is what the great teams have. Last night wasn’t necessarily pretty, but it keeps some momentum going for the program. As frustrating as the last few have been, I still believe Jimbo is moving the program in the right direction.
The grade for this game is simple
W and might I add
Z
I'm watching the game for a second time right now
And one thing that jumps out is Terrance Parks having the game of his life. He couldn’t have picked a better time. Great way to cap off his career.
I thought he got picked on constantly
He was the weak link on the defense all night. Gift INT or not.
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by freshcollegeboy on Nov 27, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He missed a tackle on their one big play.
Great performance from him. Happy for him
Nearly every decently play UF had
he was the one missing the tackle or out of position in coverage. I’m glad he’s getting his degree, because he wouldn’t even be 2nd string next year.
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by freshcollegeboy on Nov 27, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, I noticed him twice being the reason for "big" plays by UF early on.
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I didn't say he was around the play; I said he was the reason for it.
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yup I lve defended parks in the past but he single handedly gabe up the FB dive by lazy tackling...
Then virtually every positive pass play for UF was when they got him isolated on a WR
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by truecolors on Nov 27, 2011 10:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
This
I dont even count the pick. I do count the horribly blown tackle on the elementary school FB dive. If this is his best game, and I think it is, he is horrible. Nice guy though.
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by cerebralfish on Nov 27, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
He sux
But, luckily he is a senior. He had an above average game for him, thanks for your service #4.
by NoleySmokes on Nov 27, 2011 9:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Offensive line for next year has
about 12 linemen to choose from on the roster. I have my info from Seminoles.com. The only one I see in the bunch that is an upper classman is Fahrenkrug. All the rest are Freshmen, RS Freshman, or a sophomore or two. Getting a few OL this time around would certainly help so has to have a few Clydesdales in the stable in case next year is as injury prone as this year is.
EJ is hurt in some way another, I think most people can see that. I won’t go into the specifics as I am just an observer. Get his shoulder fixed, get some qb’s ready to fill in next season and let’s get this thing going. I’m a half full glass kind of guy. 8-4 is not great,but it sure beats 6-6 or 5-7 ! I predicted 9-3, so maybe we can improve that next year.
Finally with this defense coming back, developing a monster running game would be a must do. I mean, given the kind of field position they will give the team, a running game would greatly compliment the defense. That’s my two cents. And beating the gators any way is a great way.Go Noles!!!
FSU has undersigned over 3 years...
and seems like they will again.
Not sure what Jimbo is thinking.
last year was oversigned. I've been following your posts in this thread
You’ve made a series of incorrect bitchy posts. You’re either very stupid or a troll in disguise.
See FTSNoles post...
If you aren’t too stupid to do the math.
There was a recruiting class after Foose's class, which was oversigned.
That would be last year’s class to me. I guess we could call it this year’s class, but this is semantics.
You are also done here for now, and it's not for making a Jimbo crack in every single comment you make, it's for the stupid comment.
But rest assured your Jimbo comments are getting tiresome and old. Take that advice any way you wish.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
While I agree that every comment he makes he makes a troll-like comment, we don't want or allow you calling him stupid.
You would have been fine without the stupid part. Sorry but take the rest of the day off and we will see you tomorrow.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
no need to call people stupid, especially after BEATING UF.
same team, folks…same team.
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I had us at 9-3 also
with losses vs OU, UF, and a random ACC game we shouldnt lose(I thought Maryland). I’m freaked out about Jenkins concussion now. It seems like guys are more prone to get another one which in turn ends their career. EJ can fix his shoulder but until he fixes his confidence, were in trouble.
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by cerebralfish on Nov 27, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
I think we're okay with a mediocre QB
as long as the OL, RB, and WRs improve next year.
He's not mediocre right now.
I agree if he becomes mediocre we’ll be fine. Right now we absolutely dont want the game in his hands because we know there is a very good chance something bad will happen. Its almost a given now. He will fumble once a game, he will miss wide open WRs/easy run checks, and he will give the defense a couple solid opportunities at a pick. This is why I had no problem and actually supported Jimbo’s decision to take EJ out of the UF game schematically.
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by cerebralfish on Nov 27, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
but he was a mediocre QB for most of the games during his career.
how the hell do you project his ability 5 months from now based on the last three games when he we know he’s injured and a poor OL? 28 sacks during a season is incredible, and something that is fixable.
he seems like a spooked horse
running for his life right now, forcing things. needs to have a line he can have faith in, firstly.
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I didnt project his ability 5 months from now.
The OL is bad no doubt, but EJ needs work too.
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by cerebralfish on Nov 28, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
no one perdicted playing through injury either
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I wonder if it's an equipment issue, personally
When EVERYBODY is getting concussed, something’s definitely up. We need to take a long hard look at some of the research that’s come out of VT about this and make the appropriate equipment adjustments quickly.
Players suffering concussions when they might be avoided is simply unacceptable.
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by Dogrel on Nov 28, 2011 12:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Mark Kelso helmets all around!!
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by cerebralfish on Nov 28, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
You also have to wonder how many
just went unnoticed in the past. Medical science is probably ahead of equipment science at this point. The only logical way—from a material science perspective—to redirect energy being absorbed by the skull, is to have crushable helmets. Kinda like when they changed car bumper designs (~70 years ago) from a recoil approach to collapse approach.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 28, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Then maybe... just maybe...
we could get some of these helmet to helmet calls right.
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by YouNoleIt on Nov 28, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha, yeah. I was obviously kidding a little.
But the helmet itself doesn’t absorb any energy unless it deforms. Padding inside is where some of the energy dissapates (sp?).
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 28, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Not an engineer like you,
but I think there is some subtlety in terms of dissipating the energy with more/different types of cushioning…. right?
Else those helmet studies being conducted by VT (referenced in other threads) would be a waste of time.
Absolutely.
Disposable pieces that are easily and quickly replaced. But nothing that would literally detach from the helmet on contact. Can’t have a bunch of helmet chunks lying on the field throughout the game.
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Yes. And if the players knew they'd have to change helmet pieces
after helmet-to-helmet shots, they might be more conscience of avoiding them. IDK, might be a stretch there.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 28, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Actually a cap the player could wear under the helmet
that is maybe a half inch think. Something like a metallic mesh that will in fact collapse a bit may be an actual idea of ways to get some extra energy lost.
But in essence as joked about a disposable helmet. Just use a different inner piece that can be replaced after it crushes in a hit to actually lower the energy of the impact transferred to the head. May only make a 1/10 a % difference. But I am sure the “experts” can figure something out. Cost my be a factor sadly
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I might be off base here but...
Doesn’t it seem like in Jimbo’s offense we need bigger o lineman? If we don’t retain Trickett, won’t it be a huge struggle for us again next year on the o line? Those guys will have to learn a brand new blocking scheme, and probably put on a good bit pf weight.
Not disagreeing...
however, IF the roster I read is correct, ( see roster on Seminole.com) many of the linemen we have now are very near 300 lbs or over. So, if Trickett goes, which I think is just wishful thinking for some people, yeah it would be difficult.
by Panhandle Nole on Nov 27, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
If you are going to state Trickett won't be back, embellish this a little ....
Too many just make a statement that they ‘heard’ something then no back up.
What did you hear?
People who "run" this site as well as Noles247 have said they don't believe Trickett will be back.
I believe Cameron on 1270 said something similar.
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Okay - if he is not back .... Why
State something concrete that was said by someone in power, other wise it is just a feeling.
how is it just a feeling?
people have heard things. the fact that those things haven’t been completely disclosed to everybody doesn’t mean it is just a feeling.
Wtf are you looking for?
I told you what I’ve read/heard. They don’t tell you why because that’s in-house business.
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There doesnt have to be a down year in our OL play if he leaves.
It cant get worse and if we go man its much easier. I mean lets start by beating the guy in front of us.
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by cerebralfish on Nov 27, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Good to know.
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So here's a fun little game with no correct answer. Given me a starting OL (by position) prediction for next year
I’ve got to think something like
LT) Hart: “we talkin about practice”
LG) Krug: see #1)
C) Stork: looks like he may be a quality player, especially after another year learning line calls
RG) Tre/Faircloth/JUCO (although they’re both built like OTs)
RT) Matias: feel like this kid will play well when ready
I realize that I really didnt reach at all, but I thought this might lead to some good discussion and interesting lineups from some of you. Really the reason I posted this is to get the site’s opinion on possible placement for guys like Carter, Jackson, Lovelady, Foose, and the possible JUCOs (Glauser and Long).
i like krug moving to LT and hart staying at RT stork will be at C and no clue about the guards
by booshigotyou on Nov 27, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Fahrenkrug at LT, why?
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Nevermind.
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Now "knock out" 4 of those guys due to offseason concussions and 12-week ankle sprains...
and we’re down to business.
Datko coming back?
Has been speculated upon.
Yep.
Just to catch everybody up, I looked at the conditions necessary for a Hardship Waiver (Medical RS) a little last week, and it looks like he clears the criteria.
Standard disclaimer applies, of course. I’m just a yahoo, I’m not the NCAA, they do what they want, yadda yadda.
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At this point I'm going with
likely to get re-injured and miss some/most of next season, even if the waiver goes through.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 28, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely.
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I don't even care
Let him play against CU, VT, UM, and UF only. :)
Krug at LT?
Please tell me that’s a typo….
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Reply fail.
Was replying to “booshigotyou”.
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by 4-3ZoneShell on Nov 27, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i dunno
i mean.. i imagine the reason why he sucks so much at guard is because he was so used to playing tackle in JUCO.. i could be way off though.. i know nothing about the OLine
by booshigotyou on Nov 27, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
this is the kind of conversation I was trying to get at with the post
Our line is so haphazard right now that I dont feel any answer is really out of the question.
just figured out he played guard in JUCO so i’m retarded…
why does he suck so bad now?!
by booshigotyou on Nov 27, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
dont know if they used a zone blocking scheme at his school
plus the FBS game is probably 1.5x as fast literally
but he was supposed to be way bamf right?
by booshigotyou on Nov 27, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
hopefully we get that kid from new mexico
by booshigotyou on Nov 27, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if we brought in Krug to be an emergency back-up
and it was unfortunate we ended up having to start him from day 1.
what about barron at C and stork moving back to guard?
by booshigotyou on Nov 27, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Certainly a consideration
Might be better overall, but I didnt change my prediction just based on the fact that line play improved significantly in the UM game when Barron came out and Stork came back in at C
If we lose nothing at C by playing Barron there next year I’d say it would be a huge help to move Stork back to RG
So the original thought about Lovelady
which was bringing him in EE so that he could start learning C for next year is no longer in vogue?
You mean Lovelady being the starting center as a greyshirted freshman for the 2012 season?
I never bought that idea. You don’t make it your intention to load up your starting OL with freshmen.
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I don't think so.
You don’t bring in juco’s to be “emergency back ups”. You bring them in to start or be back ups receiving significant playing time.
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In a perfect world
we wouldn’t ever be shopping the JUCO circuit for OL. But, it’s certainly possible that they expected other people to be the starting guards (Faircloth/McMahon?) and figured they could use Krug as a starter as a senior.
I don't think that's a fair assumption.
McMahon isn’t on the team fwiw.
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another question about krug
was why the hell was trickett soooo high on him in spring training.. he was like “omg, number 60 is so super! i love how flexible he is!”
by booshigotyou on Nov 27, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Why did Trickett think he was an awesome C?
I have no freaking clue. Trickett hasn’t been the best at gauging where to best put players on the line lately.
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That is truly one of the mysteries of the season.
Perhaps he wanted to boost Krug’s confidence? But that seems 180 degrees from Trickett’s style.
In the end, a more measured approach with the press would have helped the situation. There would have been no massive backlash when everyone realized Krug was in fact below average.
We had Krug + freshmen in camp; Sanders, Datko, Spurlock, and others out
Compared to the freshmen, Krug probably looked good.
ive heard from a friend who was a GA
that foose and faircloth shouldn’t have scholarships anywhere, let alone fsu. fwiw.
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by DKfromVA on Nov 27, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
2 Questions for Bud
1) How much was the FSU D being that good or the UF O that bad?
2) What do you suppose would be Jimbo’s response and logic if why he was asked to give up play calling duties? (example answers)
a) I am the best on the staff of doing it b) it allows me to have the control I need
On your first one, it was the FSU D being that good. Of course, the poor field position helped.
We held UF to almost 2ypp less than Bama AND LSU.
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they also played their #2 QB for the entire 2nd half
Of course, its not like they were moving the ball well with Brantley anyway. But here we all know how much the game changes with a backup QB
A backup QB that has played in half the games this season.
Clearly their number 2 guy, but not completely inexperienced.
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Same situation for Bama
Except they had an offense that bothered to show up and help out that night.
backup started the LSU game
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More importantly we held OU
to less than 300 total yds and less than 200 yds passing. Our defense is that good. When we are playing our best we are the 3rd best defense.
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by cerebralfish on Nov 27, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Playcalling
I don’t have a problem with the play calling. The play calling last night was a result of our offense being very limited against a really good Gator defense; and the fact that we have an outstanding defense and special teams. The conservative play calling allowed us to win the field position battle (340 hidden yardage advantage, as Bud pointed out).
However, I do think we need to look into hiring a true offensive coordinator to manage the offensive units and make sure we are fundamentally sound and detail oriented.
Jimbo, as CEO, needs to be able to delegate this to someone he trusts and I think this particular area has slipped due to Jimbo wearing so many hats.
agree
with basically all of that. However, Last week UF’s defense gave up 32 points to Furman. And if you look at their results, they’ve given up some big numbers this year. I honestly don’t think UF’s defense is that good.
by Matthew Juaire on Nov 27, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
It's overrated in secondary & LB's.
Their DL did work last night and has all year.
You're not being serious are you?
They clearly didn’t give full practice time towards preparing for Furman and were preparing for us. We actually had a real opponent to prepare for the game prior.
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Yeah, wouldn't read anything into Furman.
Once they zeroed in on Furman, it was over. They were just caught off guard.
That said, I do think their D is a little overrated. It’s good, not great. Our problems were mostly down to EJ the last few weeks. We’d been able to overcome the OL and compete with pretty much anybody all year, even with Trickett in at QB. But once EJ starting tanking mentally, the offense completely went to hell.
Good QB play will allow you to get around a lot of problems. Bad QB play is crippling.
Fortunately, Mark Stoops is awesome.
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by Drew J Jones on Nov 28, 2011 6:58 AM EST up reply actions
don't count on it, Jimbo will remain O-Coord
Jimbo is a control freak, ever notice that assitants are available for interview?
FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!
I think neither defense should pat themselves on the back
bot offenses are horrible.
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 27, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
both
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Nov 27, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
meant to say pat themselves on the back too much.
certainly well played, but even FSU fans knew it was going to be ugly with how bad the offense has been looking.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Nov 27, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
1 Some of both. Look what Bama and LSU and USCe did to them.
2. Not sure yet
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Didn't we outperform them all in ypp?
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Haulstead
Someone mentioned earlier that Haulstead may not be back… I was assuming he would be back in action starting with Rodney Smith and Rashad Greene next year… Does anyone have specifics on the depth of his injuries and if he will be back? On that note, how does our WR depth chart shape up for next year with so much young talent?
this thread is the first I heard that he might not be back...
interested in hearing if anyone has anything on this.
Bud has mentioned him being passed by several younger receivers.
Asks why we would want /need him as upperclassman
But also said that about Bert Reed last year.
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I really did not enjoy Bert's presence on the team last year.
This year there was definite improvement.
tough to say what he looks like after his injury
I think Haulstead is better than Rodney. Shaw, Rashad, Christian better than both. For some reason Scooter was thought to be best young receiver at the beginning of the season, but he hasn’t shown that during the season. I’d still have Willie ahead of Scooter and Dent if Willie comes back at pre-injury form. I don’t expect Bracy of Benjamin to get significant snaps next season, so I’d still have Willie in the top 4 or 5 which means he’ll get significant snaps.
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I love this stuff, nice work. That hidden yardage is just unreal., and I love the charting from last year’s Miami game any chance that will be done to show this game’s hidden yardage as well?
Additionally, In my coaching stint, I did a chart that you may be interested in addressing, as it pertains to FSU. You start by charting all the starting field positions of drives for both FSU and the opponent. As it relates to the Defense specifically, break down the opponent’s scoring drives starting field position starting with anything in + field position, then going back to drives that begin between the -40 and 50…-30 and -40…etc. Then you break them down into overall scoring or just TD’s or both of those. find the % that opponents score from each of those starting field position ranges. This is an awesome tool to show what the Defense is capable of doing when the offense is thinking about going for it on 4th. or how advantageous it truly is to punt and let the D play. IE. Between the -40 and 50 yardline, if the opponent takes possession there they score on an average of 25%…but between the +50 and +40, that % jumps to 40%. An interpretation could be…get us across the field and I feel comfortable going for it because our D only gives up a score 25% of the time from there…but if just on our side of the field that % increases dramatically, punt it.
Additionally, you can do the same for the Offense to show how capable the O is of scoring from wherever on the field. Sorry, this was a bit long winded, and if it didn’t make sense, crap. But, I just thought it would be something TN would love based on all the other in depth stuff here.
I don't care that it's the pic of Brantley injured showing with this story, but I would have enjoyed this one even more.

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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Nov 27, 2011 6:57 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Or even this one from the AP
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Nov 27, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Or this one

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Nov 27, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
KroK-KillaZ!
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by Blue Horseshoe on Nov 27, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Good thing *I* don't play for FSU.......I would have found a way to tea-bag that gator's open mouth.
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by DRusso97 on Nov 27, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HAHAHA
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by ValdostaNole on Nov 27, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
My favorite pic
is the one of Powell getting sod and a guy in a UF warmup is like pulling him away from the field
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 27, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
This should be about FSU’s dominant defense, not about injuring a mediocre QB
by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 27, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jenkins broke Brantley's face.
Assist given to Jernigan(?).
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future Trickett status
To determine RT’s status for next year, can someone remotely close to the program just read the tea leaves? By this I mean, is he out recruiting or has he simply mailed it in? Also, what are we telling potential OL recruits? Are we selling them on a change of philosophy or are we telling them we will still be a zone blocking team next season? These answers should tell us something, no?
What happened to nole07?
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by SteadfastNole on Nov 27, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Who is that?
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good one, trick.
…unless you really don’t remember the single best poster this site has ever had.
taught Bud everything he knows.
I usually Z anyone who goes back and forth with Bud and creates an annoying 200 comment string of threads.
I remember Yarborough4Heisman and Demond way back in the day. Those are the main 2 that stick out. But they weren’t the type of poster that this nextlevel sounds like he is/was.
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I tried to do a search for some of his posts, but either I am making nextlevel up or the search doesn't go back that far.
Probably mid-2009ish. Thought we would win every game and play for the NC every year. Also thought we would get every recruit. I found him incredibly amusing and I think he deserves the occasional reference even now.
You're not making him up.
The other guy that stood out was thechi… anyone remember him?
Nextlevel and theChi were the same person.
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Oh yes. Nextlevel and theChi have etched themselves in TN infamy. I think he was the one who claimed Marcus White was going to be the next Everett Brown. Ever the eternal optimist.
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wait so Z turns off peoples comments?
Missed that and ive been here since i followed bud over from his other site…
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Not sure what you meant, but Z doesn't "turn off" comments,
It moves through them consecutively and de-highlights/marks them as read.
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nextlevelchi was ridic…i enjoyed his posts but it was nothing but WE WILL WIN EVERY GAME type stuff. not really based in reality but appreciated his enthusiasm.
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Now I know why he was always so argumentative
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by SteadfastNole on Nov 27, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Reference "Operational Penalties"
Bud… You got us down for only one.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Zerbie had two false starts in one drive. Or back-to-back drives, at least. Don’t those count?
Or were they holding…. Honestly, its late and im high on cold meds….
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Elam's disdain for Reid started at the first punt
Reid was jabbering on UF’s sideline then bumps shoulders with Elam on the way back and Elam obviously didn’t like it.
It tracks all the way back to when Reid "hosted" Elam for his FSU visit.
Or so “FSU” says.
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id be annoyed too if i hosted a kid and he flipped to the rival
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This was your closest analysis to my mind :) The offense may not have been what we wanted, but they didn’t get in the way of our excellent D and SPECIAL teams!
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by ChiefOceola on Nov 27, 2011 10:44 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Why did the Weis cross the road?
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You mean "BLOOM!!! Back-to-Back State Champs...
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How much better would the O be
if FSU had, say, Bama’s O line? Would the running game open up EJ’s passing game or is EJ really having that much trouble is what I’m getting at.
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I wish I knew exactly what was going on with him.
He played so well last year. Same thing’s going on at my school with Godfrey struggling this year after such a great year last year. Defenses gameplanning for him has to be a part of it. How bad is his injury? Is it really that bad or is it in his head?
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by UCFBoilerNole on Nov 27, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
I think the injury and Fisher constantly barking at him has f'ed him up.
Hopefully getting healthy and another spring/fall will get him in the right mindset.
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him simply having a spring practice
could do amazing things
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by ValdostaNole on Nov 27, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
And a full year of game experience.
A healthy spring/fall, with less yelling from Jimbo could really pay off.
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I agree will all of that except the yelling.
I know it has been discussed a number of times in the last few days but I don’t buy that. If we remember correctly Jimbo did the same thing to Ponder when he messed up, the difference was Ponder learned and got better. Jimbo has a pretty good track record of molding and teaching QB’s. Untill his method proves wrong with more than one QB, I have no issues sticking with his current methods.
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by ValdostaNole on Nov 27, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'm okay with the yelling, in practice. Or if he makes terrible mistakes in game.
But not every single time he comes off the field.
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Once again very possible.
But I think there is two sides to this also. The TV rarely shows what happens between Fisher and EJ after a solid drive either (possibly because there hasn’t been many of late). EJ isn’t making the correct reads and that is what thats irritating Fisher, and after being in the system for 4 years he should be able to make the simple reads.
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by ValdostaNole on Nov 28, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
True. But from what I've seen in person (at games) it doesn't seem like Jimbo praises very often.
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It is not like EJ has given him anything to praise in the past month or so.
Jimbo sticks up for EJ a lot in the pressers.
This is unfortunately true.
He’s had a really rough season.
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If he can't handle yelling,
he certainly can’t handle 300 lb guys who run a 4.6 trying to crush him
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by Michael Rogner on Nov 28, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Don't see the correlation.
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That's cause there really isn't any.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 28, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Just making sure.
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You can't coach multiple QB's exactly the same.
That includes how/when you praise them and rip them apart.
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He used to rip Ponder pretty good, too.
EJ’s body language and demeanor, IMO, suggest he’s getting pretty down. Even after the game, walking out to midfield….look depressed.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 28, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe, IDK, looks to me like EJ's confidence is going south.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 28, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Screaming may not be the best way to reach EJ
Yelling reaches some people, and it overstresses some people, and it angers some people. I know it’s traditional for coaches to yell, but maybe Jimbo should consider adjusting his style.
The coaches to whom I responded best were patient teachers, not wanna be drill instructors. And I usually knew when I screwed up before the yelling started.
EJ is having that much trouble, when he was serviceable previously...
and all of our backs have suddenly become garbage, who were productive in multiple seasons prior? Seems like an improbable coincidence.
I lean towards blaming an OL that consists of a bunch of brand new players (that shouldn’t be seeing the field for another year or two).
yes.
I think this is 100% of FSU’s problem.
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by ValdostaNole on Nov 27, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
100% might be strong,
as I think EJ is picking up some bad habits (David Carr syndrome I think someone said), but I think it’s the root issue with the offense.
ya I think you are right.
But I think if the line was good or atleast servicable, his head would be a bit more clear. It looks as if the game is just moving to fast for him right now because he has so much to worry about and Fisher expects him to make the correct audibles at the line. The whole O has a kink or two that needs to be fixed, but the bad O line magnifies all the problems.
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by ValdostaNole on Nov 27, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
Jimbo has said that the QB is the eraser of mistakes.
EJ doesn’t do himself any favors by missing pre-snap reads, not sensing the pressure and rolling out, tap dancing nervously when he is in the pocket, refusing to throw to the flat, making bad decisions on the run-option plays where he previously excelled, failing to recognize blitzes and throw to a hot receiver, throwing inaccurate passes to wide open receivers, fumbling when he runs, and the list goes on.
Notice I did not mention his ability or experience at reading coverages when he does drop back, looking off defenders, and the sorts of things that we would be expecting him to learn and improve through experience. These other things are things he could and should be able to control, at least some of them. If he does control some of them and executes properly, he keeps the defense much more honest and could reduce the heat on him by probably 60-70%. We have seen him do many of these things in the past, so it’s not like he’s not capable. Injury or no, how painful is it for him to make a pre-snap read? How painful is it to throw to the flat? How painful is it to scramble out of the pocket to avoid taking a hit? If he scrambles, he can throw it away without getting penalized.
This colossal cluster fail consistently keeps us in negative down-distance situations and results in far too many negative yardage plays. The OL lets guys go completely unblocked at times and backs do miss cuts. Penalties on the line don’t help either, but a huge portion of the inept offense falls on EJ rather than on the line. Injured or not, he has the ability to do the many things he is not doing. He is simply not doing them during the games. If he looked as crappy in practice for the past couple of years, we’d be watching Clint. When the scoreboard turns on and 10s of 1000s of fans are watching, he looks like a deer in the headlights. Hell, he admitted having butterflies against Chuck Southern. Whether it’s nerves, fear of being hit, or whatever, EJ is not focused on what Jimbo has been teaching him for a couple of years. Earlier in the season, we came out in the 3rd qtr and sucked due to EJ’s lack of focus. EJ’s problem is more mental than physical. His head isn’t in the game.
I don’t think Jimbo berates him enough. I don’t have a problem with Jimbo yelling during noisy games. I don’t know what EJ is focused on, but Fisher and Craig need to figure out how to get EJ off of whatever he is thinking about and get him focused on fundamentals during the games. Jimbo asking EJ what he’s thinking is simply Jimbo trying to communicate to try to figure out what in the hell is going on.
None of us knows exactly what’s going on. Fisher bears some of the blame for not being able to figure out what the rest of us can’t. That’s what he gets paid the big bucks for – to figure it out and fix it – and he’s closer to EJ than any of us. People want to make excuses for EJ’s poor performance, injury, OL issues, Jimbo yelling at him, Jimbo’s play calling, etc. Jimbo’s problem is not yelling or play calling; it’s not being able to figure out what in the hell is going on in EJ’s head and fixing it.
I’m not giving up on EJ because we’ve seen him play better than this. He is capable of doing it and he has good coaching and good skill players around him. He needs to lose the Wyatt Sexton case of the nerves. Maybe he needs to feel challenged by his backup. Maybe he needs to sit a game to get him to the point where he realizes he has nothing to lose and can then relax. That’s when EJ excelled. You can put about 60% of the failure of this offense on EJ, 20% on the OL, 10% on the backs, and 10% on Jimbo.
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What then is a majority of the problem?
If I was given a choice of having:
Last year’s QB
Last year’s OL
A new OC
Without a doubt I would take last year’s OL. As much as I liked Ponder, as much as I would like to see a creative offensive coach change things up, in my opinion the OL is horrible. We can’t protect the QB, we can’t open holes for the RB and everytime it’s 3rd and 1 I want to throw up
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by Wire2Wire99Grad on Nov 28, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
If CP7 was playing (even with EJ's injury) we have a top 10 offense.
Basic stuff EJ is missing, such as pre-snap reads & checks, throwing to the flat, reading blitzes and throwing to hot receivers, failing to scramble and throw the ball away, seeing running lanes and scrambling for yards, inaccurate passes to wide open receivers… all of that is fixed with CP7. Defenses no longer would load the box and send the house with ears pinned back. The offense would look much different IMO. EJ’s failure to do these things and others that are within his current ability and control just amplify deficiencies in the line. When you replace 80% of the line (due to injuries and graduation), have key replacements injured, and shuffle the line around for half the year, there will be deficiencies. EJ’s play makes it look worse than it is. Like Bud said, there are multiple problems (EJ, RB injuries, OL, etc.). As far as who should be playing at what level at this point in their career and who has the greatest ability to improve the O, the bulk of the offensive woes go to EJ. Put some of it on Fisher and Craig too for not understanding and being able to fix what is going on with EJ.
I disagree...
People act like CP7 never had to go through his own criticisms in his tenure here. He could never stay healthy and there were times in which people were screaming for Jimbo to start EJ immediately. He tried to fight through injuries but that was met w/ games of inconsistent play and frustrating performances. In 2009, we lost to Miami, got embarrassed by South Florida, and then lost to Boston College and Ga Tech in 3-straight weeks. Then he went kamikaze in the loss to Clemson. We also ended up losing to Florida to complete a 6-6 regular season that was capped off by an impressive win versus West Virginia that EJ led us too. In 2010, Ponder (senior year) came back a more complete and better QB but we still had close losses to NC State, North Carolina and Virginia Tech before Ponder was set down and EJ led us to a win over a pretty good South Carolina team.
The bottom line is that no one can play at a high level or to what they are capable of if they are injured. Peyton Manning or Tom Brady would suck if they had an O-line as make shift and inexperienced as ours. It’s easy to harp on the now and vent frustrations but we know how dangerous EJ can be when healthy. EJ has definitely missed some plays this year but this is still his 1st year as a starter. I believe EJ’s senior season will be his coming out party and he will make us forget about the mishaps this year. As bad as our 4 losses felt this season; we still had a chance to win all of them (including Oklahoma) but fell a few plays short. We never got blown out by anyone. If our O-line improves just a little bit (and they will) then we are talking about a very dangerous FSU team going into next season.
by zone3nole on Nov 28, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The question was A) last year's QB; 2) Last year's OL; D) new OC
Pointing to losses in 2009 does not account for the difference in D between 2009 and 2011. In 2009, we made BJ Daniels look like a Heisman contender and I don’t believe Ga. Tech had to punt once. That’s not on Ponder.
Ty ruining the game against NC State by running into Ponder and causing the fumble, DHop missing the FG against UNC were not on Ponder. EJ playing the ACCCG game against VaTech, so again not on Ponder.
Fact is, none of these games you mention were losses due to CP7 or the OL. With both, we had top 10 offenses. EJ had a share of that in both seasons. He is not playing like he did when he was a backup. He’s playing worse.
You say “injury and bad OL.” I say, “pre-snap reads, throwing to the flat, scrambling and taking a running lane or throwing it away, making good decisions on option plays, recognizing blitzes” and a host of other things EJ has done in the past and could do now regardless of injury or the OL. You may disagree, but if EJ makes these same poor decisions we’d still have a crap offense because the things EJ is screwing up are independent of the OL play. These are things CP7 would not screw up even if he had the same injury EJ has. Ponder might screw up by thinking he could zip the ball into a tight spot that he couldn’t due to injury, but that is not what I fault EJ for. Those types of things can be explained by injury. EJ’s current performance cannot. EJ’s mistakes are compounding the OL issues by creating very long yardage situations and allowing defenses to T-up by loading the box or sending the house.
EJ has shown that he can play better and he has the ability to play MUCH better even with the injury IMO. His poor decisions and failure to control what he can are getting him pounded—more sacks and he’s still running the option albeit piss poorly. Some of it is on the patchwork OL, but if EJ controls what he can, we are looking at far fewer 2nds and 3rds and a mile. If he would make good pre-snap reads and checks, our RBs have more room for error b?c the box isn"t constantly loaded.
Back to the original question: last year’s QB or last year’s OL with this year’s RBs, WRs, and D? I take CP7 over last year’s OL and think he would have this unit ranked as a top 10 Offense. Just my opinion and I’m sticking to it.
I think it's last year's OL without question.
See my post below about our RB averages. We simply don’t have the same check-down options available to us because other teams do not respect our running game AT ALL. I think Ponder would have probably lasted about 3 games into this season.
I would actually take either the OL or Ponder
Both made good points, and I think both are correct. I just think the OL would have let us run the ball and play to our stregnth, which was obviously our defense.
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by Wire2Wire99Grad on Nov 28, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
We've seen what EJ can do w/ an Oline...
He is known to be a very poised QB in the pocket. If he had time to sit back and diagnose we would pick teams apart w/ our air attack. We’ve done it on so many occasions. Plus when EJ is healthy and can run at full strength he is absolutely dangerous. Sure he has things he can improve on but the O-line needs to improve more than EJ does and that can’t be argued.
Some of this is EJ failing to check to a diff. play when the box is loaded.
Some of it falls o the O-line and some of it falls on the RBs. EJ failing to check and resulting in negative yardage run plays skews the stats a fair bit. Plenty of blame to go around. I would rather have last year’s QB than last year’s OL. Not saying all of the problems would be fixed. Just look at last year’s OU game. I think CP7 would do better with this year’s skill players and O-line than EJ would with last year’s O-line. Respecting CP7’s passing ability, elusiveness, and ability to burn the blitz (as opposed to EJ taking 28 sacks) certainly has something to do with a decline in run production. It’s not the be all end all, but I think the QB has more to do with the low production on offense more than the line.
But you can't just overlook Ponder's...
injury proneness and how this year’s O-line would affect that. Ponders shoulder injury was protected because he had an O-line that could protect him. If Ponder had to rely on this year’s O-line to protect his shoulder; I don’t think we would see the same Ponder that we are accustomed to seeing. Good points that could be argued on both sides but I just want to see what a healthy EJ can do behind a decent O-line before I put a permanent label on him.
I'm not permanently labelling EJ.
I’ve said we’ve seen him do things in the past that he is not doing now. These are mental mistakes for the most part, such as pre-snap reads, failing to recognize blitzes, making bad decisions when he does run the option, failing to scramble and take a running lane or throwing the ball away. He’s taking sacks up the ying-yang and still running the option during UF, so I can’t accept the injury as the excuse for all of the mental mistakes. His mental game is causing him to take more of a beating. EJ is capable of playing better and we’ve seen him play better.
EJ admitted having butterflies during the early cupcake games when he wasn’t injured and we saw some balls go flying wild in those games. We’ve also seen the O come out of halftime and lay eggs against piss poor defenses. That’s a problem with focus and EJ not having his game face on. Based on the types of mistakes he’s making and his own admissions when he was healthy, it is more of a mental/nerves problem than anything to do with the injury. The OL missing assignments, letting guys run free, false starting, holding, etc. doesn’t help. EJ’s shortcomings are making the line look worse than it is and vice versa, but the biggest problem on O falls on EJ’s shoulders. We’ve seen him play better, we expect him to play better, and he has the ability to play better — injury or no.
CP7 + this year's Oline...
would be the same situation… He wouldn’t have time to get to his 1st read so how would he lead us to a Top-10 offense this season??? We still can’t run the ball either. CP7 wouldn’t solve that. Yes defensive lapses were the reason why we failed in games in Christian Ponder’s time but Ponder had lapses too. Ponder didn’t play well in the Clemson game at all. Plus we can say defensive lapses were the reason why we lost early on too. Wake Forest and Clemson came down to defensive lapses.
Our offense put up 30 points. We were on an offensive roll leading up to the Boston College game and then Jimbo’s love for calling that QB option sweep got EJ hurt again. That’s win our offense stopped producing. We weren’t consistent in the Miami game and then Virginia, we couldn’t do anything. The Virginia game is probably the only game I can say that EJ missed plays that cost us. But that was one game in which it was clear that he was more injured then the coaches put on. He still hasn’t turned into Brantley or Jacory and that should still leave a good taste in our mouth going into next season.
No way.
If CP7 was playing (even with EJ’s injury) we have a top 10 offense.
Our OL is garbage. And Ponder was absolute crap last year at times with his injury/injuries (see: South Carolina and Boston College as examples).
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An interesting stat (from ESPN.com, not sure how accurate):
EJ had 93 passing attempts last year and only 4 sacks. That’s 1 for every 23+ attempts.
This year? 280 attempts and 28 sacks, 1 out of every 10.
He has shown a propensity to hold the ball waaaaay too long this year, which has contributed to him getting sacked so often, but I think a wholesale change like this in a player’s performance from year to year is almost always more likely to be a function of external factors than some mental lapse.
So the question to me Is whether that external factor is the shoulder or the OL? The shoulder obviously has been a huge issue and undoubtedly has led to wholesale schematic changes in terms of what Fisher is asking him to do as QB, so that is probably heavily contributing to what is going on.
But, again, look at corroborating evidence of what has happened to assorted individuals in the rushing game:
- Thomas ypc going from 5.7 to 4.6;
- Jones going from 6.1 to 3.1;
- Thompson from 6.4 to 2.9;
- Pryor going from 4.9 to 2.7
Yes, all of these players have mitigating circumstances tied to their performances, but from the Ochham’s Razor line of thinking, that the simplest explanation is most likely the best one, you have to come to the conclusion that the OL is garbage.
I really respect the opinions of the TN staff and the time they dedicate to film review and individual performances, but I just can’t explain away the big picture with a collection of (accurate) individual assessments about missed holes by RBs, whiffs by TEs, and failed check-downs by the QB.
When the O-line improves...
this team will be a completely different team. We’ve seen this story before. In consistent QB play coupled w/ a below average run game that just so happen to be coupled w/ a bad O-line and then the following season we have an explosive passing and rushing attack that was coupled w/ a very strong O-line. The point is that the O-line makes or breaks a team. When a QB can trust his O-line not to get him killed then he can focus and do his job. Next season will be our year.
Next season
You said next season will be our year. Explain to me why next year’s offensive line will be so much better than this years.
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by Wire2Wire99Grad on Nov 28, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I look at it this way....
We loss 4 games this season that were painful losses but still very close. Even w/ EJ’s shoulder injury and our O-line woes we still should’ve been atleast 10-2 counting the Oklahoma as a loss and either Clemson or Wake Forest. But we should’ve beat one of the two anyway.
So basically if our O-line improves just by a margin next season and give EJ just a little bit more time to pass and open a few more holes in the run game we could very well go undefeated. Our defense will not give an inch next season. And their is no reason to think our O-line won’t improve because they will have a full season to develop and get stronger. And like I said they won’t need to get considerably better for us to be dangerous because we were in every game we loss this year.
I agree
and understand the logic behind everything you are saying, it bothers me though that the offensive line didn’t seem to improve much as the year went on. I understand injurys played a part in all of that, but they looked pretty damn bad against UF.
There will be injuries next year too. I just hope there is enough talent in last year’s recruiting class to make a substantial improvement
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by Wire2Wire99Grad on Nov 28, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Because they will be older, stronger, healthier and more experienced?
We only had 7 OL return from the 2010 team for 2011. We will have 12 return for 2012. So we will return nearly as many next year as we had total for this year (12 and 14, respectively).
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EJ's having that much trouble.
I’m not sure if it’s because of the injury — at least partly, in all likelihood — but EJ really went downhill mentally the last few weeks. His reads were terrible. His passes weren’t nearly as accurate, especially in the intermediate to long passing game.
They’d be better with Bama’s O-line, to be sure. Freeman would be a star with it. And it would probably help EJ mentally, but the problem is still there, I think.
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by Drew J Jones on Nov 28, 2011 7:09 AM EST up reply actions
Fire Fisher or hire new exciting offensive coordinator and line coach
Shame on Fisher. He should either quit or man up and admit he and Tricket have been miserable failures as offensive coaches and hire someone to replace both of them on the offense. Tricket has been here five years. Time to go. This is probably the worst offensive line we have ever had. Fisher is awful at calling the plays and either needs to just be head coach and hire a powerful real offensive coordinator from Oregon or Boise State and lets have some fun again.
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I average about 70 points a game on NCAA 12 on Heisman level… That meet you criteria for for new OC?
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by ValdostaNole on Nov 27, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Two questions now that the regular season is over
A. When do we know for sure who the Noles are playing in the bowl?
2. Is this the time of year recruiting heats up, or is that between the MNC game and NSD?
D. Thanks (Didn’t really have a third question, but I watched Home Alone recently, so i figured I needed a D).
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by Curtain Jerker on Nov 28, 2011 12:24 AM EST reply actions
A2D.
A) After the Conference Championship games.
2) The quiet period officially ended yesterday, so it will really start to heat up.
D) Hands to face!
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But does anyone know if the Gators trashed their locker room after the loss on Saturday?
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It's their locker room.
if they did, that would be extremely stupid.
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 28, 2011 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
Why its a valid question
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They tried trashing the place
but missed badly and threw everything into the garbage.
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I realize I'm late to this conversation
But I just now so the Elam slam and Reid retaliation.
While Reid’s actions were silly they were completely worth it for making Elam blow up like that. You can see the frustration with his commitment by his actions.
Elam was showing frustration...
before the incident so I knew he was going to do something extra. He just tried to do it on our sideline and I think that’s what made Greg snap like that. I was more mad that our offensive players didn’t get up in his face about that. Elam knows he’s never going to beat FSU and he knows that he’s a sucker for buying into the crap Meyer sold him. I think he leaves after his Junior year.
Big Game Greg
would like to extend his middle finger to 90 percent of the people on the board.
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by Wire2Wire99Grad on Nov 28, 2011 7:23 AM EST reply actions
But why can’t G5 be in beast mode every game. I must admit I was worried myself of which G5 was going to show up. If he plays like this I can gladly accept him telling me I am #1.
by NOLEisticscience on Nov 28, 2011 8:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's a gambling type of player as a CB and PR.
High risk, high reward. Nature of the beast to have great games and bad ones. I’ll take the ups with the downs, personally, and trust we’ll have other guys that will provide the consistency to balance things out. You need some spark plugs like that on the field.
Yeah I will take the ups
espically when he continues to abuse the Gaytors and Hurricanes.
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by Wire2Wire99Grad on Nov 28, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Some games he faces a good QB and tall receiver and the solution is simply to throw over his head. Nothing he can do about that.
His tackling has been much better this year.
Just wanted to say again...Huge congrats to one of the best
defensive performances I’ve ever seen from FSU. That includes the entire dynasty run. Big props to the oft maligned Terrance Parks—even without the pick six he had a solid game—and Dan Hicks, who stepped up big time.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 28, 2011 10:10 AM EST reply actions
And Hicks had been disappointing recently
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 28, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Bud, I'd like to hear your thoughts on UF's OL.
I know they are struggling but is this a situation that is likely to persist? New guys learning or something more systemic? Can’t recall if they have a new OL coach this year.
The depth chart (from Rivals) doesn’t suggest an overly “green” unit… at least if you’re comparing to FSU’s:
71 Matt Patchan | 6-6, 292, Jr., 2V
73 Xavier Nixon | 6-6, 292, Jr., 2V
75 Chaz Green | 6-5, 306, Fr., RS
71 Matt Patchan | 6-6, 292, Jr., 2V
56 Dan Wenger | 6-3, 294, Sr., TR
64 Kyle Koehne | 6-5, 302, So., RS
66 James Wilson | 6-4, 334, Sr., 2V
77 Ian Silberman | 6-5, 299, ., RS
67 Jon Halapio | 6-3, 324, So., RS
58 Nick Alajajian | 6-4, 275, So., RS
78 David Young | 6-4, 304, Jr., 1V
72 J. Harrison | 6-3, 295, So., RS
56 Dan Wenger | 6-3, 294, Sr., TR
50 Sam Robey | 6-3, 297, Jr., 2V
The difference between FSU's and UF's O-lines...
is that Florida’s sucks because they are just soft and lack toughness. They lack technique and are just poorly coached. FSU’s O-line sucks because we are young and inexperienced. FSU’s will get better over time, Florida’s won’t. Some Florida fans blame Urban Meyer and his spread option system that had a soft mentality that bred a lot of soft players and this is just a bi-product of that. I agree. Maybe the younger guys will get better but their upperclassmen are bad.
There's no real excuse for their performance.
They return most of their 2 deep though. But will be breaking in battered 2nd year QB’s, new RB’s and a WR corp that consists of Debose and …
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I would be highly surprised....
if Diggs ends up at Florida.
We'll see.
Just think it’s unlikely they land both Diggs and Agholor.
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I thought he had his best game..maybe film review will show differently.
It also looked like Parks was in the box on the few medium length passing plays everyone’s blasting him for. Maybe film review will show differently there, too.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 28, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Dont forget the Tank
Watching his performance makes me feel better about losing Jenkins to the NFL
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by Wire2Wire99Grad on Nov 28, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Tank has been very solid since about the 4th game. Not surprised by good games from him.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 28, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
I hate to bring refing into a great win against our rivals but...
in fairness to the offense, there were a couple nice plays called back by bs holding calls against Sanders. One was the long TD run by EJ.
Also, I counted at least 3 plays where FSU dlinemen were CLEARLY held and there was no call. One led to the sole Croc TD (same play as the PI call). We should have had a 0 or a 3 on that drive.
Otherwise I thought the refs called a much cleaner game than we have seen from ACC refs this year.
At same time ACC refs prob call a bunch more stuff on us
And somehow make each interception a pentalty and we lose. Even earlier Greg Reid was getting in peoples faces, At one point I expected a flag. But the SEC is used to big rivalry games and the refs can control it. They def would have flagged G5 on a drive earlier that could have changed things.
Not to mention I saw another punt return get called back by ACC refs saying a player called for a fair catch when they clearly told their team to move away from the ball just like G5 2 weeks before
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On Mike Harris's INT
the Gaytor reciever fell down. I thought to myself at the time, had there been ACC refs, that would have surely been a penalty against us. If not, there absolutley would have been a hold on the 90 yard int return.
It’s to the point where I can’t seem to relax until 30 seconds after the play ends. Watching those SEC refs acutally let some contact (even the punters got brushed) was a nice change from norm
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by Wire2Wire99Grad on Nov 29, 2011 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
A win is a win but.....
The offense has got to improve. Fisher was hired because of his offensive expertise. I think he will get it figured out. He is 4-0 against Miami and Florida so he definitely has bought himself some time. And FSU has the talent. They’ve ranked in the top 10 in recruiting classes for the last 5 years.
The defense deserves congratulations. They’ve carried FSU all year. I’m looking for big things next year. A preseason top 5 next year will hold up.
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