Florida State Football Preview: at Boston College
Tonight, the Florida State Seminoles travel to Chestnut Hill to take on the Boston College Eagles. Let's break this down. Make sure to join us tonight for our excellent live gamethreads!
Time: 8:PM | TV: ESPN | Line: FSU -15 | Weather: 40s, moderate wind, no snow.
BCInterruption (opposing site)
How did BC get to 2-6?
Each week I post the "Scouting FSU's Opponents" series. Here are the BC excerpts from weeks 1-9. Please remember that these observations are from that week.
BC dropped a close game at home to Northwestern. It was pretty sloppy.
The Boston College Eagles lost to UCF, 30-3. It was a close game through three quarters before the Knights blew it open in the fourth. Not only did UCF double BC's yards-per-play (6.0 to 3.0), but UCF ran almost 20 more plays (63 to 44). Oh, and UCF had a big edge in starting field position as well. Here is Brian's recap: http://www.bcinterruption.com/2011/9/10/2417518/ucf-football-22-boston-college-3-central-florida#comments
The Eagles appear to be in trouble. That's not to say this team can't get healthy and grow up, but as of now, it is the circumstance (Thursday nighter on the road on short rest) that scares you -- not BC's team. There is a lot wrong with this group right now. BCI asks http://www.bcinterruption.com/2011/9/11/2418229/central-florida-30-boston-college-3-where-does-bc-go-from-here
Duke BC Plays 80 58 Yards/Play 5.8 5.7 Duke outgained BC by 3% per play Avg Field Position Duke 24 BC 25 Duke beat Boston College 20-19. Yes, Duke. BC missed a 23-yarder off the upright to win the game with no time left. Duke still isn't any good, and BC has very serious injury issues right now, along with some coaching issues. This was a very even game, as the score indicates.
Duke threw the ball 52 times and ran 28. Renefree was 41 of 52 on the previously-referenced green BC secondary (Eagles have lost 3 of 4 secondary starters since the final week of camp due to injury or suspension). I didn't watch this game and can't imagine it was much fun on tv or in person. Unless BC gets its guys back in a hurry, it will not go bowling. I See the Eagles finishing 4-8.
BC beat UMass 47-17 (D1-AA team).
Wake BC Yards/Play 6.2 4.1 Plays 63 82 Wake outgained BC by 51% per play Avg Field Position Wake 21 BC 38 Wake Forest beat the Boston College Eagles, 27-19. Wake only out-gained the Eagles by about 60 yards, and BC won the field position battle. But here is where we really see the value of yards-per-play, as Wake was much more effective on a down-to-down basis. Also, BC was terrible in the red zone, scoring a TD on only one of four chances. Wake's defense is nothing special, so this offensive effort at home by BC was terrible. Wake's offense, on the other hand, is pretty good and had several explosive plays, including two over 40.
Finally, BCI has its proposal for fixing Boston College football. I don't really agree with Brian's opinion of the program and think BC fans need to re-evaluate expectations a bit. I don't disagree that they should fire Frank Spaziani, however. For some comedic relief, read this piece by HD on whether Wake is a dark-horse contender for the ACC. Seriously.
BC Clem Plays 51 73 Yards/Play 4.80 6.71 Clem outgained BC by 40% per play Field Position BC 29 CLEM 31 Boston College lost to the Clemson Tigers, 36-14. BC was thoroughly dominated in this one, being outgained by 40% per play and running 43% fewer plays. BC was also -2 in turnovers. This could have been worse, but Clemson QB Tahj Boys was injured and is day-to-day with a hip injury.
BC is still very banged up, and will now seek a redshirt for #1 DT Kaleb Ramsey and RB Montel Harris. Ramsey's continued absence hurts BC's defense every week and he is one of the few BC defenders capable of causing FSU trouble.
Here are the BCI post-game thoughts. And can BC win out like it did last season? I think BC has a chance to lose out.
BC VT Score 14 30 Plays 59 71 Yards/Play 4.6 6.6 VT outgained BC by 42% per-play Field Position Own 28 Own 25 BC is a bad team. Virginia Tech is a pretty good team. VT thoroughly outplayed BC on a down-to-down basis (42% outgain), and were +2 in turnovers. This blowout should have been bigger, but BC kept putting the Hokies in terrible field position.
BC held the lead at the half (7-6), but VT made some qualify adjustments and had drives of 60, 89, 56, 74 in the second portion.
BC Maryland Score 28 10 Plays 69 65 Yards/Play 5.48 4.74 BC outgained Maryland by 16% per play Field Position Own 41 Own 34 This game was beyond ugly. Played in front of no more than 5,000 people (literally, 10x empty seats as people), in the snow, Maryland didn't really show up.
Give some credit to BC for running the ball well in the cold conditions (200+ yards). They have this new kid by the name of Finch. He didn't look to be anything special. BC had a bunch of runs that went for 6, 7, 8 and 9, as Maryland's front seven is horrible. Remember that in five conference games, Maryland has allowed almost 1,000 more rushing yards than Florida State. Did BC's run attack suddenly get better, or did BC just play Maryland? Perhaps some of both.
The game featured six turnovers and five missed field goals. Put a lot of that on the weather.
Post-game thoughts | Recap from the MD side | Helmet Stickers | Film Review
How good (or bad) have both of these teams been?
| Team | Total F/+ | F/+ Offense | F/+ Defense |
| Florida State Seminoles | 16th | 30th | 18th |
| Boston College Eagles | 78th | 83rd | 62nd |
The chart at left is an excellent snapshot of the seasons to date for these two teams, adjusted for garbage time and opponent level, of course. FSU has had the far superior season, and both teams are defensive teams. Florida State is a defensive team primarily because its massive injury bug afflicted the offense; BC because that is BC's M.O.
Two defensive teams, in cold weather, on short rest (a setting which typically favors defense as the offenses are sloppy?). FSU fans should begin reminding themselves that an ugly win is still a win.
Florida State Defense v. Boston College Offense
| BC Offense |
| WR 83 Alex Amidon (5-11, 185, So.) |
| 14 Johnathan Coleman (6-4, 208, So.) |
| WR 10 Bobby Swigert (6-1, 184, So.) |
| 7 Spiffy Evans (6-0, 173, Fr.) |
| WR 1 Colin Larmond, Jr. (6-3, 202, Jr.) |
| 30 Donte Elliott (6-0, 195, Jr.) |
| LT 73 John Wetzel (6-8, 303, Jr.) |
| LG 76 Bobby Vardaro (6-5, 301, R-Fr.) |
| C 69 Mark Spinney (6-4, 282, Sr.) |
| RG 62 Ian White (6-5, 288, So.) |
| RT 77 Emmett Cleary (6-7, 300, Jr.) |
| TE 81 Chris Pantale (6-6, 251, Jr.) |
| 87 Lars Anderson (6-3, 236, Sr.) |
| QB 11 Chase Rettig (6-3, 212, So.) |
| 15 Dave Shinskie (6-4, 220, Jr.) |
| RB 28 Rolandan Finch (5-10, 209, So.) |
| 44 Andre Williams (6-0, 222, So.) |
Florida State's defense has been excellent this season, and that's where we will start. This is a defense with all the pieces, and DC Mark Stoops uses them all. FSU will run its standard 4-3, as well as 3-4, 4-2, 4-1, 3-3, and 3-2 fronts, with a variety of zone and man coverages as well as blitzed. FSU wins with talent, with scheme and with discipline.
Boston College's offense simply isn't very good. Their OC quit/was fired/retired early in the season. They don't have great talent on the edges. Chase Rettig -- the QB who was supposed to make the leap this year, has not done so. Star RB Montel Harris is out for the season, and his backup, Andre Williams is hurt as well.
And I'll let you in on a little secret: BC's offensive line is not that big. I've heard a lot of talk about how big BC's offensive line is from the FSU media, but it's simply not true. This is not your father's BC line. They are, however, tall. That's not to say the offensive line is bad. It's a decent offensive line, though nothing special.
Boston College is going to try to run the football on Florida State. They'll attempt to do so using a lot of gap exchange plays (pulling guards, mostly). They operate out of the I, 2 TE, and 3 WR sets. They show a bit of empty backfield, but I don't think we'll see a lot of that out of them.
The key for Florida State will be to stop the run from the opening play. Florida State has the front seven to do this, and should absolutely be able to shut down the BC run game if it drops 8 into the box, playing either man or cover 3 behind it.
Ronaldan Finch did key the rushing attack that went for 300+ against Maryland last week, but keep in mind that Maryland has allowed almost 1,000 more rushing yards in conference play than the Seminoles. Finch is not a special player. He's just a decent running back.
If FSU takes care of business and stops the run, it will eat up the BC passing game on 2nd-&-8+ and 3rd-&-5+ downs.
FSU's defense should dominate the Boston College offense.
Goals
Hold BC to fewer than 4.3 yards/play before garbage time. This is a lofty goal for a road game, but BC's offense is not very good. FSU fans should not be satisfied with simply a decent defensive performance.
Allow no more than 3 plays of 20+ yards. BC is not an explosive offense. More than likely BC will not be able to hit big plays against FSU unless the 'Noles are sloppy in tackling (uncharacteristic) or undisciplined and not assignment sound.
Hold BC to less than 50% touchdowns in the red zone.
Force 2 or more Turnovers. You cannot blow out Boston College without generating turnovers and giving your offense good field position. It simply does not happen due to the conservative defense BC runs.
Florida State Offense v. Boston College Defense
| BC Defense |
| DE 56 Max Holloway (6-2, 253, Jr.) |
| 45 Mehdi Abdesmad (6-6, 264, Fr.) |
| LT 95 Dominic Appiah (6-5, 286, R-Fr.) |
| 97 Conor O’Neal (6-3, 299, Jr.) |
| RT 98 Max Ricci (6-4, 330, Fr.) |
| 65 Jaryd Rudolph (6-4, 295, So.) |
| DE 91 Kasim Edebali (6-2, 248, So.) |
| 99 Brian Mihalik (6-8, 233, Fr.) |
| SLB 49 Steele Divitto (6-3, 225, So.) |
| 54 Nick Clancy (6-3, 237, Jr.) |
| MLB 40 Luke Kuechly (6-3, 235, Jr.) |
| 50 Will Thompson (6-1, 236, Sr.) |
| WLB 34 Sean Duggan (6-4, 215, Fr.) |
| 35 Andre Lawrence (6-1, 224, So.) |
| FC 4 Donnie Fletcher (6-1, 195, Sr.) |
| 5 Al Louis-Jean, Jr. (6-2, 183, Fr.) |
| SS 47 Spenser Rositano (6-1, 200, Fr.) |
| 9 Dominique Williams (6-0, 209, R-Fr.) |
| FS 37 Hampton Hughes (6-3, 200, Jr.) |
| 19 Sean Sylvia (6-0, 196, R-Fr.) |
| BC 23 Jim Noel (6-4, 185, Jr.) |
| 21 Manny Asprilla (5-10, 170, Fr.) |
It's not all that tough to beat Boston College. But it is really, really hard to blow out Boston College. Why? BC plays an ultra-conservative defensive style. BC's defense is designed to keep the Eagles in games.
Frank Spaziani is not a great head coach, but he and Bill McGovern (DC) are excellent defensive minds. BC has dealt with a lot of injuries on defense this season, and this isn't your typical BC defense, but it is getting better each week as the injury replacements are learning to play with each other.
BC's defense will play very conservative zone coverages and not allow big plays. It will take away the run and funnel everything to Keuchly. And it will allow short passes. The key for the offense is to throw the short passes accurately so that the receiver can run after the catch. BC's defense is typically great at tackling, but that hasn't exactly been the case this year.
And BC has struggled this year when opponents have spread them out. BC will try to combat multi-wr looks by staying in its base 4-3/3-4 alignment because its #3 and #4 corners are not great at this point.
BC will do a ton of zone blitzing, because its pass rushers simply are not that good on their own. BC's zone blitz works if the offense makes a mistake in identification or protection. Rarely does BC bring more blitzers than the offense can account for -- meaning they do not try to simply outnumber the offense.
This will be an interesting test for FSU's offense, particularly on short rest, where offenses are expected to be sloppy.
EJ Manuel must do a great job in setting the protections against BC. He must be able to identify what BC is giving -- and then take it. BC doesn't have the personnel to beat Florida State man for man. But if FSU doesn't take care of its own business, particularly pre-snap, BC will have a chance. The backs need to be sharp in protection as well. This is definitely a spot to worry over if you're an FSU fan, as FSU has lost 4 of its top 8 offensive linemen since Spring, and this new group isn't great.
FSU's receivers and backs have been good at making defenders miss in space. That must continue in this game because BC will sell out to take away the run and the deep ball. That leaves the short passes, particularly to the flats. BC has been giving a ton of cushion, and FSU's receivers must make them pay for doing so.
Here's some video of the fire zone:
Goals
At least 6.25 yards/play before garbage time. This is not a great defense. I don't expect perfection from the group on short rest, but 6.25 is a good goal.
66%+ TDs in the red zone.
No more than 1 turnover. I said above that it's very tough to blowout BC without the defense generating a lot of turnovers to give the offense good field position. The flip side to that is that FSU won't lose this game unless BC's own defense generates a lot of turnovers.
No more than 2 operational penalties (false start, illegal motion, illegal formation).
Special Teams and other Notes
Fielding punts and kicks will be key here. FSU doesn't need big returns to win this game, but it must avoid special teams turnovers and gaffes.
Prediction
FSU's defensive advantage over BC's offense is huge, and FSU's offense is better than BC's defense. Special teams edge to the 'Noles. Home field and travel advantage to BC. I expect rather conservative game plans from both sides, and an ugly, boring game that should make for awful TV watching.
Noles 30 - BC 13
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Lets show America how good this team really is.
by Blake Davis on Nov 3, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
On a thursday night on short rest? Let’s get out of BC with no new injuries and a win. Get ready for Miami next week
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 3, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think FSU has too many elite athletes/playmakers at this point to make this game too ugly or boring.
Even with conservative play calling we should see some special stuff throughout the game whether it be our defense flying around or our offensive skill guys making plays in space. I do agree that getting out healthy is huge and I hope to see Jimbo pull the starters as early as possible.
by cerebralfish on Nov 3, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That's true.
just for selfish reasons my friends from back home (Alaska) are finally going to get to watch an FSU game this season and I hope it’s impressive.
by Blake Davis on Nov 3, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I like zis attitude
Gimme some sugar, baby.
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Nov 3, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
30-10
Take it easy and leave injury free. Hopefully the game would be over by half-time so we can start putting in freshmen by the end of the 3rd.
I’d predict 42-6 if this was a Saturday game….
We start putting in freshmen
on the first play of the game. Maybe we can sneak some ’12 recruits out there at some point.
Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 3, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Is MEJ available?
These Werner and Jenkins kids have underperformed so far.
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by Jamil Dawson on Nov 3, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
There you go. That's the correct way to look at it.
Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 3, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Question: Does garbage time change considering how bad an offense is?
It would seem like garbage time could start earlier for BC than say UM based on explosiveness. Is it a strict calculation based on score and time?
Score and remaining possessions
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Did we enter garbage time for the Choke at Doak game?
by Meehl on Nov 3, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Actually, according to S&P+, there was a significant amount of that game under garbage time
The entire 3rd quarter, and in the 4th until we got it to 31-17
Bill has written pretty extensively about how some teams are affected by “garbage time” more than others in a given season, like Oregon in 2010.
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that game is one of the reasons I’ve always used FEI, which does take more effort to calculate
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The reason I've always use S&P+
I’ve always used FEI, which does take more effort to calculate
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Both methods have good and bad.
In this case I like S&P. UF definitely let off the gas at 31-3.
Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 3, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re right, but you’ll get ripped for it
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Somebody's gotta take the heat off you occasionally.
Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 3, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say they let off the gas until 31-17
By then, it was too late…
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by AMFKNole on Nov 3, 2011 1:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hence, the advantage of S&P in this case.
Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 3, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
S&P uses success rates on D & D's plus explosiveness, right?
This one is easier for me to grasp for some reason.
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by CornNole on Nov 3, 2011 4:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Right, it's a combination (not sure exactly how) of the two
success = 50% yards necessary on 1st, 70% on 2nd, 100% on 3rd
Explosiveness = points per play, but is defined by Bill’s own definition of points. Bill gives each yard line a certain point value.
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FEI and S&P do essentially the same thing.
S&P, by down
FEI, by drive. FEI has about 5 different metrics that define varying types and degrees of successful drives and one that measures “explosiveness”.
The combination is great because long, sustained drives have a low SR and are not “explosive”—by S&P standards that’s good defense/bad offense. By FEI that’s a good drive for the offense, not so good for the defense.
Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 3, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of FEI
Right now at BCF Toys (alternate FEI site), Brian has some really cool graphs higlighting each of Alabama LSU’s offensive and defensive drives. Really cool, and something I wish I could do for FSU’s drives.
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Well, unless you are a gator fan,
whole 4th quarter was ‘garbage.’
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 3, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I am still amazed everytime someone mentions the Choke at Doak.
… that it didn’t involve any “special” plays like a punt/kick return, INT return, or onsides kick. It was just line up, score, Kickoff, stuff. Repeat.
Don't you mean "if you're a gator fan"....
Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 3, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice.
Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 3, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
there are several different definitions
S&P+ uses one definition
FEI uses another
I do agree that “garbage time” is a fairly relative idea.
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But yes, those that use the idea of "garbage time" in their calculations use a strict definition
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This is one
The S&P+ figures used in the tables below only look at the plays that took place while a game was deemed “close,” or competitive. The criteria for being “close” are as follows: a game within 24 points in the first quarter, with 21 points in the second quarter, and within 16 points in the second half.
Thanks, Bud. Doesnt BC usually have a good TE?
Any this year?
Championship!
by TLHWG on Nov 3, 2011 12:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Pantale was highly recruited, but nothing special
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With a short week
I think we run a lot more to keep the clock running, unless BC gives up the short throws all night.
Is this game at 8?
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I think he meant the kickoff time.
If the line was at 8, I’d bet my neighbor’s house on FSU to cover.
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by Jamil Dawson on Nov 3, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Can't see how this teams scores 13 on you.
by PullingGuardGator on Nov 3, 2011 12:18 PM EDT reply actions
We could play better defense than against NCST and give up two TDs
Shutouts are partially sheer luck that the yards earned across the game don’t clump together for one long scoring drive, no turn overs that put them in fg position, they miss fgs, no special teams fubars, no fumbles/ints returned for points, etc.
by Meehl on Nov 3, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it will be a blowout 41-6 FSU
BC isn’t very good, and they are playing on the same # of days rest as we are. If they only had 5k in the stands for Mary, I don’t expect them to have many for us, so not much of a homefield advantage.
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WOW
maybe they could have worn the uniforms from the Terps 1st game this season, just to give fans a beacon in case they couldnt find the stadium? #loudasscolors
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by Rock_and_Nole on Nov 3, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
At least the weather will be nice.
Both ’07 and ’09 were cold and wet and bad games.
Football is my favorite show.
23-6
Pretty-no, efficient-yes.
2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent
by SoCalNole on Nov 3, 2011 12:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Bud, I think you made a mistake
I didn’t see any mention of the LSU-Alabama game in this write-up.
by SThomasFSU on Nov 3, 2011 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Mobile Rec
Here in the panhandle, we have a daily, 4 hour sports radio show, and outside of team specific segments (Ackeman, Reeves) there has been nothing else discussed…over and over and over.
Only mention of FSU game is because it’s the deadline for football picks.
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by CornNole on Nov 3, 2011 4:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ugly, boring game
Maybe, but I’m still bummed I won’t be there – plans derailed by lack of electrity in Connecticut – 5 days and counting
Florida State
NOW
5-3
3-2 ACC
Yikes, bit early in the season for that. Not even Winter officially is it?
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Early Storm
I guess part of the problem is that the trees still have leaves and therefore catch all of the snow which them breaks the trees.
Florida State
NOW
5-3
3-2 ACC
Holding calls
I will be watching for holding call and other penalties today.. we have too many penalties and trouble with holding calls on thursday night games for last 3 years… ( Recall 2008 NC State , 2009UNC,2010@NC State)… we have reduced penalties for last 3 games but that could be result of playing at home & we scoring and getting ahead in first 2 quarters…
this is our time ! it ain't their time .. this is F Shhhh U time ! ..
BC Drinking Game.....
I would say we could have a drinking game for every time an FSU DL is held but then again, someone would probably die of alcohol poisoning so I’ll scrap that idea.
Spice it up a bit
And add a shot of vodka everytime the ref moves the ball forwards or chains backwards on a critical measurement
#58 should be retired in honor of the most destructive force to ever wear garnet and gold
by Wire2Wire99Grad on Nov 3, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
A shot for every ref blunder
Will get you chocolatey wasted.
by FSUActuary on Nov 3, 2011 1:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
All bets are off
If Ron Cherry is officiating the game. Thousands will die of alcohol poisioning
#58 should be retired in honor of the most destructive force to ever wear garnet and gold
by Wire2Wire99Grad on Nov 3, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Referenced from the movie "Grown Ups".
by FSUActuary on Nov 3, 2011 3:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I knew I heard that before...
Couldn’t remember the reference.
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Big Game
Aside from the usual…no injuries, no loss, no glaring errors…I think this is a blowout. Like a 49-3 type blowout.
I don’t want the team over hyped heading into miami and the extra days of should settle them. I think, for once, on a Thurs night with nothing sports wise going on the Noles need to house bc! A statement to recruits, fans, and players. Just run and gun all night. It doesn’t matter that bc is not good and no one cares about that. This is the game to beat someone down IMO. Follow this with a win against UM and UVA and we will see sports center highlights for the rest of the season and post season.
Big spoilers are the short rest and cold weather
Both of which makes everything else harder, including the hits the defense lays down.
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50' at kickoff; dropping to 45' by end of game
This is standard night football weather pretty much anywhere this late in the year.
Could be so much worse at this point.
Plus Chesnut Hill isnt as windy as actual Boston
Most anywhere....except Florida, where most of the kids on our team come from.
I get what you’re saying, though-all told, it ain’t too bad for having to be around Boston in early November.
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
When's the last time someone had back to back shutouts in ACC play?
I just don’t see BC scoring with our D playing good ball and our O not coughing up the ball.
Disagree with the playing scared theme
BC is on short rest too. Thursday night, nation is watching, lets show everyone how good we are. Last time we tried to take it easy and avoid injuries we limped out of Wake with out tail between our legs.
#58 should be retired in honor of the most destructive force to ever wear garnet and gold
100% agree
We need a good showing.
by just_chiefin' on Nov 3, 2011 1:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
When's the last time we won on a Thursday night in convincing fashion?
I honestly can’t really remember. NC State in ‘08? But I guess that wasn’t that convincing.
Thursday night games always bring back vivid memories of the Louisville game in ’02 that went to OT.
First and only Thursday game at Doak. It was awesome.
Next highest margin of victory was by 9 at NC State in 2008. So many losses. Ugh. Time to change that. I want it to be the largest margin of victory on a Thursday night since 2002. I’ll take it.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
what day of the week was the season opening loss to Miami in 09?
Was that a Monday? That was at Doak. Great game, terrible ending!
by ChiefOceola on Nov 3, 2011 2:56 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
We beat UNC @ Chapel HIll 30-24 in 2009 on Thurs...
after being down 24-6. Might have been Christian Ponder’s best game, against a great defense at that.
I was kidding.
I’ve tried to drink that season out of my memory. It hasn’t worked so far.
Formerly known as Florida State Jay.
That game is worth remembering.
But I do understand the attempt at memory washing…
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
I turned that game off when it 24-6
I figured there was no point in watching us reenact the 2001 UNC game, so I had a drink and went to bed. Watched the Sportscenter clips the next more in pure disbelief. That was a pretty cool game too.
Now you know

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by freshcollegeboy on Nov 3, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Same here.
I had an interview for a job the next day with a guy who turned out to be a UNC alum. I started off the convo with “hey, great game last night” not knowing that we actually won. Once he started talking about Ponder and the comeback, I had to play it off and act like I knew what he was talking about.
I guess so. weird
I think I juxtaposed the day of the game in my mind because I remember watching it at a friend’s place which was also where I always went over to watch The Office on thursdays. But yeah, this is the first time in a while we’ve played a Thursday game outside of the state of North Carolina.
Will the future Bilitnekoff award winner be returning tonight?
I’d like to see #80 take a couple of slant routes to the house. Just wondering if there were any more recent reports since the “probable” given a few days ago.
My guess is 30-7. FSU won’t be able to score TDs in the redzone but will hit a few big scores from missed tackles. BC will have to drive the length of the field to score and I only think they can do it once.
by FSUActuary on Nov 3, 2011 1:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That was my prediction as well
'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'
If the trend continues...34-0
I seriously doubt this happens, but it could.
I’m hoping we show up big and have a dominate performance, no matter the score. It’s time to sure up some of our recruits.
Roll Tribe >———>
by just_chiefin' on Nov 3, 2011 1:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Thinking 26-10 or something similar
Offense breaks down in the red zone a few times for field goals.
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16-3
Florida State 16
Boston College 3
I expect this game to be a struggle.
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
Boo this man
Gimme some sugar, baby.
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Nov 3, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
by Legal_Seminole on Nov 3, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't like your crappy score prediction, which all in all, is a completely reasonable one. HAHA.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
Because
Blowout = YEA!
Non-blowout = BOO!
Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 3, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"boring game that should make for awful TV watching"
Very well said, this comment had me spewing Diet Mt. Dew all over my keyboard…ugly wins are better than exciting losses (i.e. Clemson)
Just to point out that BC is last in total yards offense and 2nd to last in total yards defense (in conference)..just saying
Yards/play or total yards? Total yards are worthless
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Whatever happened to the metric you used a lot last season
I think it was something like % of total yards available or something like that. Basically if the team, in ALL of its drives gained 330 yards but they they had an average starting position of their own 35 on 11 drives, their earned 46% of available yards.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Still available on footballoutsiders
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27-13
Hopefully, this game is so boring and awful to watch that it convinces the ACC to stop scheduling teams on 5 days rest.
I'm in line with the thinking here
as I picked 34-10 as the score.
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"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
Did my pick em earlier in the week.
Looks like I’m on board too. Picked 35-10
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Wow, beat me by a minute.
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by freshcollegeboy on Nov 3, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
How are you guys thinking Boston College is going to score?
I say FSU has 2 turnovers that lead to short fields, and give up 10 points off of sheer nonsense by the offense.
FSU still manages to win 34-10
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Same here.
I don’t think BC will move it on us. I can see a big return to set up a FG, or TOs, or a dumb penalty to extend a drive. I think BC will find 13 but that’s it.
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I think their points (if they get them) will have to come on turnovers.
Don’t see too many big returns for them on KO or punt returns. BC is 89th and 108th respectively in those categories
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I'm thinking a turnover leading to a FG
another FG possibly set up by a long kick return, and a TD in garbage time. Got FSU scoring 17 of their 27 in the first half. (17-3 at half, 27-13 final).
I think we have a stupid early TO
and BC goes up 7-0 and the wine and cheese crowd starts to get cocky.
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by Tubby Sweetbundle on Nov 3, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Could hit a bit play, could score off a turnover, etc
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Much more likely off a short field
If Montel Harris couldn’t get in the paint on the first play last year….not sure how they break a truly long one this year.
It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden
I'm thinking they'll get scoring drives
lead by the officials dominating performance.
Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 3, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
37-0 with luck.
I’m pretty confident about the 37. 4tds and 3fgs sounds about right. In reality, bc gets a couple fgs and maybe ts on a short field or in garbage time. So 37-6 or 37-13.
by dale gribble on Nov 3, 2011 3:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
7 scoring drives would be....
incredibly efficient, just not sure FSU offense will be that good, even against BC D.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
I expect the LBs to really step up today
It sounds like the DL will be able to destroy BC’s offensive line… Christian Jones is going to have a great game
I would really like to see us play well in the 3rd quarter
Someone mentioned that Jimbo likes his offense to go out on a good note. Hopefully, we can finally play well enough early in the 3rd to get our back-ups more than one drive.
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I'm sick of crap opening 3rd quarter drives.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
I won't be bored if our D smothers them.
I question our ability to run against them. Therefore I do not for see so many touchdowns in the red-zone for us.
31-13 FSU.
I think FSU distances themselves late in the 2nd, but then sort of meanders all over the field. Thankfully, BC will be spinning their wheels.
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33-6 FSU.
FSU will have two turnovers (EJ interception, and fumble from someone) and I’m giving BC 3 points off one of those.
Anyone think it's about time that big freshman DT hits the wall?
It was about this time last year our DL starting getting gassed and couldn’t chase Wilson all over the field.
The 5 day rest probably hurts him more than any other starters in the game.
I really don't think that will happen
We rotate more now. The added depth is something we talked about extensively as a main reason they won’t hit that wall. And 300 lbs doesn’t take the physical beating that 280 lbs does.
Give me a Wild and Free World, by committee.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 3, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Big freshman DT is going to hit Chase
and smear him all over the field. When you’re 18 years old, you can play games three days in a row on concrete and still wake up on day four feeling ready to go!
We're playing on Thursday Night
in the cold, travelled 3,000 miles by plane, and we are coming on four days rest. Don’t care what the score is, to quote the late Al Davis: “Just win, baby!!!!”
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Barron getting the start at center tonite
Stork has a mild concussion.
I am not kidding.
Concussions are the new ACL tears....everybody's getting one
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