Florida State at Michigan State Preview and Game Thread
by Michael Rogner on Nov 30, 2011 4:30 PM EST
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PrintFlorida State travels to East Lansing to take on the Michigan State Spartans for the first time since 1997. This is part of the ACC/Big Ten Challenge which saw the Big Ten jump to a 4-2 lead in the first day. FSU enters on a two-game skid, while MSU has won four in a row (over weak competition) after opening the season with losses to UNC and Duke. The Noles still are searching for a signature out-of-conference win and this is one of two remaining chances to get it. The other goal before conference play to avoid any bad losses - which FSU has done so far.
The Seminole offense has been bad, averaging just 1.01 points per possession (PPP). The reason is simple: turnovers. FSU is turning it over on 25.3% of their possessions which is 303rd nationally, and the worst of Leonard Hamilton's career.
Aside from turnovers, FSU's offense has been quite good. On possessions where FSU does't turn the ball over, they're averaging 1.35 ppp, which is comparable to Duke's 1.36 when they don't turn it over (and they have the 7th best offense in the country). An extra 3-4 possessions would have been the difference in both of FSU's losses. The Noles are rebounding 38.4% of their own misses (42nd nationally), are 73rd in the country at getting to the line and their eFG% is 50.3, which is decent. Deividas Dulkys (48.1%) and Michael Snaer (40%) are both shooting well from beyond the arc.
On defense the Seminoles have been the Seminoles. They are currently projected to have the best defense of Leonard Hamilton's tenure. FSU opponents have an eFG% of 38.3 (8th nationally), are shooting 22.8% on 3s (10th), and a swarming defense led by Michael Snaer and Bernard James is blocking 19.4% of opponent shots (8th). Unfortunately, Terrance Shannon dislocated his right shoulder in the UConn game and will be out. He was playing the best basketball of his career.
Michigan State is a very similar team to FSU. Their defense is awesome (6th), while their offense is not so awesome (95th). They're plagued by turnovers (265th) and poor shooting (244th). Specifically, their 3-pt shooting has been terrible (23.8% - 333nd).
6'7 Senior Draymond Green is a player to watch for the Spartans. He was strictly an interior player his first two seasons, but added the 3 to his game last year. But this season he's been unable to knock it down (17.6%). Still, he's averaging 12.7 points to go along with 11.2 rebounds. He had 7 offensive boards against UNC and is adept at extending possessions. 6'1 Keith Apling was a turnover prone freshman who came in off the bench to spell Kalin Lucas. Now he's a turnover prone sophomore who has to start. He's another excellent 3-pt shooter who has struggled this year. The other backcourt spots are filled by Brandon Wood and Branden Dawson. Wood is a 6'2 transfer from Valparaiso who is surprising efficient on the interior (52% on 2s for his career), and 6'6 Branden Dawson is a 5* McDonalds All-American freshman who's averaging 8.2 a game by converting 60% of his shots.
The game tips at 7:30 on ESPN. The line in Vegas if Michigan State -6, and Ken Pomeroy has Sparty -4.
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Michigan State is a team we should beat IMO. Thye are down this year and will be a bubble tournament team. However, as we all know this FSU team can beat anyone or lose to anyone year in and year out so predicting their performance is next to impossible.
It seems as though that is said about Michigan State every other year and yet...
They blowup backets during the tournament.
Tom Izzo is an excellent caoch, the Spartans have an excellent program, and both Vegas and Pomeroy have the Spartans as a favorite.
I think the Seminoles can win, but I am not expecting victory.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
by pasadenanole22 on Nov 30, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Totally agree on Izzo but the talent is just not there this year even young talent is lacking. To the extent that they are favorite well I think you can attribute that to them playing at home and FSU’s own struggles with consistency more than anything. I would take the points very comfortably if I was in Vegas right now.
I agree with pasadenanole on this one.
I’m not expecting this to be a victory. Izzo has been doing this for too damn long, and he’ll know exactly how to handle FSU’s advantages. He’s one of the best coaches in the bizz, and there’s a reason Kenpom’s paysite bitch ass has us as a dog.
If you read this Ken, sorry, but I used to waste hours digging through you beautiful nonesense. Now I cannot afford it.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
I'd rather not leave the requirement for a marquee win to the last possible opportunity,
i.e., the game at Florida on December 22. The holidays are already filled with enough stress as it is.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
Early season basketball is just maddening to me.
Because, on one hand, it is just so de-emphasized in the shadow of football, and yet these games are nailing our postseason squarely down. Like that craptastic loss to Auburn that we all knew would be hanging around our neck come selection time.
I guess it’s a function of our schedule…. a handful of games that are close to un-winnable (against the elites), a slew of cupcakes in the pre-conference slate where winning is the only option, and then a relatively small slate of noncon/conference “tweener” games that we know will be competitive, and the consequences of outcomes are fairly dire.
This probably falls into the “dire” category now that those Harvard and UConn games escaped us. Probably can directly tie this to a 1-2 spot change in seeding, or the difference between bubble or not bubble at the end of the season.
I hear ya. Thats why I don't get these talking heads who yap on t.v. or sports talk radio
about the regular season not meaning anything. Yea, maybe for a few schools at the top who know with almost total certainty that they are in the Dance. But what is that, 5% of Division I schools, maybe? For the rest of us, I can assure the talking heads that the regular season matters, and matters a lot. As you pointed out, after you remove the cupcakes which don’t help our resume at all, and the games that we are decided underdogs, there are scant few games left on the schedule to make our case for the Dance.
It might as well be a tournament game tonight.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
who wants to bet at least one of their slumping 3pt shooters gets his form tonight?
just saying, it would be our luck. here’s hoping James can get out of the funk he was in during the whole tournament in the Bahamas.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
i hate being right sometimes...
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
HEY NO OHIO STATE THIS YEAR
FSU has to win for the ACC to get close
Seriously Turtle, Smoke More Weed
I'd send any children you want to be basketball fans out of the room for tonight's game
Going to be ugly.
If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.
Line opened at -4.5 and has moved to -7/-7.5
typically a really bad sign (unless you’re a Spartan)
Managing Editor of Run the Floor
it certainly wasnt because Shannon is out
so what do they know?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I guess they found out that Leonard Hamilton is coaching FSU tonight.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
by CornNole on Nov 30, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Please don't make my kid wear Spartan gear
must win bet.
Any online viewing tonight (excepting of course WWL3)?
As always, any input is appreciated…
-Soro
Thanks for inviting me out today. I really needed some time to stop worrying about my love life.
--Well, you know, that's why God gave us baseball..... And war.
http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/95329/1/watch-florida-st-vs-michigan-s.html
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Thank you. I still have some work to do and no access to ESPN.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
by pasadenanole22 on Nov 30, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Is that link working for you?
Thanks for inviting me out today. I really needed some time to stop worrying about my love life.
--Well, you know, that's why God gave us baseball..... And war.
Yes
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
by pasadenanole22 on Nov 30, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Welp....guess my PC still sucks....go figure
Thanks for inviting me out today. I really needed some time to stop worrying about my love life.
--Well, you know, that's why God gave us baseball..... And war.
You know...
if we just gave the other team the ball every time we don’t have an open dunk, we could set a record for highest ppp (not including turnovers)
Wouldn't it be great to get a big game from Gibson.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
we actually look good on offense
Knock on wood
by wcnole on Nov 30, 2011 7:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Let's Go Noles!!
Death to Sparty!!
What is the definition of safe sex down in Gainesville?
Placing signs on the animals that kick.
He shoots at least 1 a game.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
by pasadenanole22 on Nov 30, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Did Dulkys just block a guy that has 6 inches on him down on the block?
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Thats a TSG.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
by pasadenanole22 on Nov 30, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Everywhere we go, people get injured.
Even cheerleaders. Wtf?
Mike Martin should go coach Hawaii. Then he could have all the poi's he ever wanted - MattDNole
no kidding right?
What is the definition of safe sex down in Gainesville?
Placing signs on the animals that kick.
by ValdostaNole on Nov 30, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
They said she is talking
What is the definition of safe sex down in Gainesville?
Placing signs on the animals that kick.
by ValdostaNole on Nov 30, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, we came back looking terrible after the injury.
Getting slaughtered by a freshman.
Mike Martin should go coach Hawaii. Then he could have all the poi's he ever wanted - MattDNole
6 turnovers in 8 possessions will do that
Managing Editor of Run the Floor
by Michael Rogner on Nov 30, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Sloppy basketball.
When will the Noles replace Hamilton ?
We keep him
and hire a offensive minded assistant
by hisaoawesome on Nov 30, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
I assume you're joking
Managing Editor of Run the Floor
by Michael Rogner on Nov 30, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Soooooooooooo
Smart is gonna go from being a HC at a final 4 program to an assistant at FSU?
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
I was giving benefit of the doubt that he meant HC.
Which is equally as absurd
Managing Editor of Run the Floor
by Michael Rogner on Nov 30, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
I honestly don’t know how many guys that “would” come could outperform Hamilton.
1.) No tradition
2.) No fan support
3.) Shitty venue
4.) Hard schedule.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Don't forget bottom 4 in ACC in basketball expenses
Managing Editor of Run the Floor
by Michael Rogner on Nov 30, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
I did not kow that.
What is the definition of safe sex down in Gainesville?
Placing signs on the animals that kick.
by ValdostaNole on Nov 30, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
And replace him w/ who?
You don’t replace a guy who has brought your program to never before seen levels. That’s awful
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Spirit of 'The Cheerleader'
is on there side
by hisaoawesome on Nov 30, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
How can Ham be so bad at recruiting skilled players?
I mean, what rec league did #12 crawl out from?
FSU is not a big basketball program
nor has it ever been – theres so many better b-ball schools out there.
That's not really a viable answer.
You have money, a top 3 conference, location and playing time. That is on Ham and his coaching staff.
Er,
Money? No.
Top 3 conference? Yeah (although, no, not this year), even if we are at the bottom of it for funding.
Location? Really? Tally isn’t exactly a hot bed.
Playing time? Sure.
Mike Martin should go coach Hawaii. Then he could have all the poi's he ever wanted - MattDNole
Sgt James
Only one, who came to play tonight.
My wife yelled 'call the f'in foul!'
So proud
Managing Editor of Run the Floor
by Michael Rogner on Nov 30, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
I'll take "down by 4" at half. Considering what we were looking like at 30-18.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
How was it when that guard slid into one of the players they called a charge?
wtf was that? was it just me or did it seem like a blocking foul? I havent even begun to drink yet. going to start crackin ’em open!
You should know better
Your watching an fsu basketball game. I started drinking right after work
by ajm05j on Nov 30, 2011 8:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know
Im trying to think of what our offense will look like coming out halftime, but I can’t wrap my head around. On the other hand, I keep thinking what our offense would look like with a Roy WIlliams type coach.
:sigh:
MS
will jump to another 14 point lead..we will make a comeback and then lose it with 4 minutes left. my prediction
I can't do that.
I wouldn’t have a TV any more
"Mel, yeah Mel Kiper Jr. He knows about as much about football as a Japanese space pilot." Rick Trickett
All else aside, I really have been pleased with Snaer's step forward this year.
Still not entirely consistent, but he is driving and putting up good shots. By the end of the year I think he might develop into something really special for us.
His play has been good enough
for me to scrap the “Michael Snaer: Overrated or underdeveloped” piece I wanted to do, comparing him to the rest of his recruiting class.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
one day my friend
Tim Tebow made me an atheist.
by NoleMeansYes on Nov 30, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Only a matter of time.. Maybe you should hack into her phone
by ajm05j on Nov 30, 2011 8:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
somebody will drill a hole
just the world we live in.
Tim Tebow made me an atheist.
by NoleMeansYes on Nov 30, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Overheard a conversation at my friends party the other night. The jarhead was talking about how when he was in Afghan.
his unit chased a car and when the guys stepped out they had gold AK 47’s. They were pretty shocked
whats the point of the gold plating, and why are our MP's carrying russian rifles?
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
so, hip hop culture has even seeped into afghanistan.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
hilarious. and I love it.
thats how this great country wins its wars: our culture seeps in until everyone is Americans.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
if we are gonna bomb anyone, it oughta be with DVDs of Teen Mom,
the Kardashian shows, and free porn.
The Afghanis will be online making wisecrack pop culture references and eating Chipotle in no time.
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
No real point, just a status thing. They're actually pretty common over there.
And MPs use pretty much whatever they can get their hands on.
Mike Martin should go coach Hawaii. Then he could have all the poi's he ever wanted - MattDNole
Sooner or later,
White’s going to need to learn how to shoot into that player that left his feet and draw 3 shots.
HorseSHIT
This the the floppingest bunch of bitches I"ve ever seen
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Glad I'm not the only one seeing that.
Mike Martin should go coach Hawaii. Then he could have all the poi's he ever wanted - MattDNole
That was a....questionable call.
Mike Martin should go coach Hawaii. Then he could have all the poi's he ever wanted - MattDNole
Byond questionable.
This is a game we should win and watch us blow it like always. I swear, FSU basketball is NOT good for my health. I easily lose 2-3 years every year I watch FSU basketball
Ugh.
Blocks look like charges, charges look like Blocks…
And MSU up again on another TO
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
UGH. Wtf.
Mike Martin should go coach Hawaii. Then he could have all the poi's he ever wanted - MattDNole
Mom was looking pretty good too.
Ha.
Mike Martin should go coach Hawaii. Then he could have all the poi's he ever wanted - MattDNole
And here we go again.
Mike Martin should go coach Hawaii. Then he could have all the poi's he ever wanted - MattDNole
MS 51-42 ~~8 mins left
Tim Tebow made me an atheist.
by NoleMeansYes on Nov 30, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Fix'd
Offense isnt built for come from behind wins
by evenflow58 on Nov 30, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Mike Leach hired at Washington State?
Nice.
Mike Martin should go coach Hawaii. Then he could have all the poi's he ever wanted - MattDNole
I haven't been watching this game because I've been at work
Have you moved the ball down low at all? I’ve seen a ton 3s. Oh, now we’re just throwing the ball to MSU. At least our offense is diverse.
We started out doing that like crazy.
James and Gibson both very effective. Gibson now with 4 fouls and we’ve abandoned it.
No
We’re running the “Let on guy dribble while everyone stands around and watches” in the 2nd half.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
I like to call it the "Hamilton".
Mike Martin should go coach Hawaii. Then he could have all the poi's he ever wanted - MattDNole
Start f the 2H we went dow low. t was effective. We actually took the lead.
Then we went to Ham Ball and started jackin’ 3’s when MSU went on a little run. Since then it’s been a nightmare
We need to lose the feather look
Our purple unis blow. At least we could look good losing.
I like them. Plus, we rotate pretty steadily.
Mike Martin should go coach Hawaii. Then he could have all the poi's he ever wanted - MattDNole
Our old school ones were so much better
When they were garnet instead of purple. Our school colors suck now
Even the official Nike gear is listed as "Maroon".
Mike Martin should go coach Hawaii. Then he could have all the poi's he ever wanted - MattDNole
Snaer needs to step up
and Xman needs to be back in the game to stand a chance of a comeback…and also i need another 3 beers to get through the rest…
Certainly can't hurt.
Mike Martin should go coach Hawaii. Then he could have all the poi's he ever wanted - MattDNole
these offensive rebounds are really getting me aggrevated
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
There's really not a more frustrating coach to watch
One of the best defensive minds in the country and one of the worst offensive minds in the country.
Hamilton...
…has done nothing to make us even remotely decent on offense. Until he gets that figured out, we will be just another so-so FSU squad. I don’t know why I bothered to tune in just to watch FSU collapse against MSU. We played UConn a lot better than this shite.
GO NOLES!
FEAR THE SPEAR!
>>>--------,,,-----/>
dont worry, he brought this program out of the dumps
doesnt matter what he does for us offensively. be thankful
/sarcasm
offensive coach
Is there some reason Hamilton will not hire an assistant coach who can teach offense. Our inability to run any type of inside/outside plays is sad. We don’t have outside shooters but we keep throwing up those bricks from outside the arc. Come on Hamilton, recognize your strengths and weaknesses as a coach/teacher and make some hires to complement you.
hamilton has to be the worst bench coach in major d1 basketball
but also one of the better recruiters -
we get the least production from our considerable talent in major conference hoops
hey - i light of another loss where we didnt utilize our strengths - i thought of something positive:
at least none of our assistance have molested young boys -
(in either sport)
we got that going for us..
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