'Noles News 12.12.11
Bruce Feldman with some potentially bad (though unlikely) news:
For those who do not know, Arkansas State is a D1 school. They play in the conference with FIU and Louisiana Monroe (Sun Belt).
It wouldn't shock me if Gran took this job, but I would be fairly surprised. When I head anything about this from the FSU side, I'll let you know.
I have no idea what the offensive line will be for the bowl game. I do know that they've been trying a lot of different combinations. More on that this week.
In other news, Bert Reed is likely out for the bowl game with a severe hamstring injury. Bert's game against Florida was his last. Reed was never special at Florida State, but he did get somewhat better each year. I'll remember him for three plays: His touchdown against N.C. State on Thursday night in 2008, his touchdown against Maryland in 2010, and his score on a reverse against BC in 2010. And I'll remember the drops and the plays where if he could have just made one man miss, he'd have run for days.
REPORT: FSU’s Mark Stoops has begun talks with Auburn – Chopping Block – Seminoles Blog – Orlando Sentinel
Buying this? I'm not really.
THE CURIOUS INDEX, 12/12/2011 - Every Day Should Be Saturday
2011 As 1981: Week One - Football Study Hall
Part One of a series looking at how the 2011 college football season would have played out with the 1981 schedule.
2011 As 1981: Week Two - Football Study Hall
Part two of a series looking at how the 2011 college football season would have played out with the 1981 schedule.
ACC Divisions: Syracuse Or Pittsburgh To The ACC Atlantic? - BC Interruption
Nation's Top QB is Committed to FSU
Great stuff from Adam, as the Alabama media doesn't understand that he's committed to FSU.
A Very Early College Football Top 25 for 2012 | AthlonSports.com
8. Florida State – Sure, the Seminoles may have been one of 2011’s most disappointing teams, but there’s too much talent to expect another 8-4 record. Injuries to quarterback EJ Manuel and the receiving corps early in the year slowed the progress of the offense. In order for Florida State to win the ACC, the rushing attack and offensive line has to be better next season. The defense is filled with talented underclassmen and should be one of the best in the nation.
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I have no idea what the offensive line will be for the bowl game. I do know that they’ve been trying a lot of different combinations. More ont hat this week.
Interesting. Especially since only one of our guys got hurt.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
Have Tre and Matias used their redshirt?
If not, it would be a shame to use it up playing in a relatively meaningless bowl game.
by Big Boss Mann on Dec 12, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
I have not seen Pettis play in any mop-up duty.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
Jimbo Fisher is now 4-0 against UF and UM.
by pasadenanole22 on Dec 12, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Was about to say the same thing.
I hope Matias and Jackson become starters next year. Don’t like seeing young guys not pass unimpressive veterans, see Jeff Luc.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
I would like to see MAtias and Jackson play next year as well.
And I think Jeff Luc will take over for Bradham next year.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
Jimbo Fisher is now 4-0 against UF and UM.
by pasadenanole22 on Dec 12, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Agree about Luc
Vince really stepped up his game this year; Telvin, Jones, Vince, and Luc should get the lion’s share of the snaps; we will see what happens with Jenkins, Eligwe, Nigel, and Terence Smith, and also see if Holmes makes it back (was he out for the season or out for good?)
I read a report...
that said Holmes could be out for a lengthy amount of time due to the seriousness of his shoulder injury, but it didn’t mention his career being over or not…. Hopefully he comes back strong next season.
Well, Faricloth and Stork are both out of practice right now.
Sanders wasn’t practicing early on yesterday either. Stork will most likely be back (infected finger), while Faircloth will not (hip injury looking at surgery).
Yesterday’s practice 1st team from left to right – Spurlock, Matias, Barron, Jackson, Hart. A banged up senior and 4 TRUE freshman.
Bert Reed
I wish he got better each year. Last year was his worst with the drops and poor lane decisions.
He did certainly mature from his time as an underclassman. I thought he was going to be kicked off the team in those early years. He was suspended quite a bit.
"You make the helmet, the helmet doesn't make you." << Jimbo FN' Fisher
Twitter @RobbedbyJT
To his credit
He turned himself around off the field after his sophomore season. His play, well…
"Rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in"
Bud, I live in Arkansas and I heard this same news Friday night on the news about Coach Gran. It seemed to be a lot more speculation than anything substantial at the moment. I do know the ASU AD has said he had a list of 80 applicants he wanted to look at so it could just be that Gran was on the list and he was contacted and nothing more.
by arkansasnole on Dec 12, 2011 12:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
How does Pitt and Syracuse to the Coastal and GT to the Atlantic sound?
does that work for balance?
Gran and Stoops
I know alot of people will say losing Stoops is the bigger hit b/c he has a more important position but is losing Gran as big or a bigger loss considering his connection to the SoFla area and coaching pedigree? Also keep in mind that we essentially have a DC-in waiting in Hudson.
I don't think we lose either this year.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
I’m not buying the Stoops to AU stuff but I could def see the mutual interest between Gran and ArkySt. All assistants especially position coaches want to be head coaches at some point and for ArkySt Gran’s SoFla connections alone would make the hire a coup.
I’m not sure of what Gran is making at FSU, but I’m not sure Ark St could even pay him as much as he’s making now. Of course he would be a HC and have his own program. I know when Freeze was coaching there he was the lowest paid coach in D1. They don’t exactly have a huge amount to spend on a coach and they don’t have a very large or loyal fan base.
by arkansasnole on Dec 12, 2011 12:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Freeze was the lowest paid in D1 last year for sure.
Can’t remember how much though. I’m thinking it was south of $100,000 but that just doesn’t seem right. Not sure what Gran is making either.
by jenolesone on Dec 12, 2011 1:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
$305K, possibly more
LinkQuick google shows what Fisher’s initial staff was hired at. Shows Gran signed for 3 years @ $205K plus $100K speaking fees. Next year would be the final year of that contract.
Interestingly enough, FSU has a number of contracts to renew. Looks like all of FSU’s assistants signed two or three year deals when Fisher came on board. Viloria, Craig, Dawsey, Haggins, Hudson and Elliot are all due for renegotiation.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Dec 12, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
par for the course
almost all assistants everywhere are on short term contracts, I believe.
"Viloria, Craig, Dawsey, Haggins, Hudson and Elliot are all due for renegotiation."
Sounds like the Boosters need to dig deep.
Unfortunately If Gran want's to become a HC this is usually the path Position coaches have to take
So him going to Arky St. would not surprised me, might be his best chance to get some HC experience and get into the discussion for better jobs in the future. If we do loose him I hope we make a run at Larry Porter if he’s interested in being a position coach again.
As far a Stoops, it’s make absoulutely no sense to me, his name is Stoops so he’s already on schools radar as a potential HC, he’s bringing back a loaded squad and won’t have to teach his defense to a whole new bunch of players. Not to mention he probably has totaly autonomy over the defesense here which I doubt he’d have at Auburn being Chizk is the HC and he’s was seen in just as positive a light as a DC as Stoops is right now when he was at AU and Tx.
Gran would be the much bigger loss imo.
He is an Elite ST/RB/recruiter. All the best RBs flock to Gran whereas great defensive players will still flock to FSU under a different DC as long as he’s serviceable. Ive always thought Gran was the best assistant on this staff hands down.
"I dont hate people. I just feel better when they aren't around." -Bukowski
by cerebralfish on Dec 13, 2011 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
#8 seems about right
but I want no part of it. Would prefer to start somewhere from 10-15 just from a psycological aspect for the players.
by ONOLE05 on Dec 12, 2011 12:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'll never understand this mentality
Do you also want to be unranked in the national championship game someday?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 12, 2011 12:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If we played well enough during the full course of a season to garner an appearance in a MNC I wouldn’t worry about it but fact is at this point we have not accomplished much on the field as a program under Jimbo and I don’t want the players having a hyped up sense of being going into another season.
Hyped up sense of being didn't injure EJ
Or cause us to lose to OU. We were ranked in the 20’s when we played Wake, so it’s not like we had big heads because we were ranked so high.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 12, 2011 12:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Media hype didn't push Travis Lewis to fall awkwardly on EJ's shoulder
Absolute freak injury.
What I don’t get is the idea EJ is injury prone, because he’s had trouble recovering from one injury.
Wasn't last spring
the first time that EJ has been able to participate due to injuries?
"He who hesitates, meditates in the horizontal position" Edmund Kealoha "Ed" Parker
Maybe it did contribute to the 13-3 deficit and 2 INTs in the OU game before EJ got hurt though. Some of you guys live in this alternate universe where if EJ never went down this year we would have gone undefeated. Fact is our chances of beating OU in that game did not look good at all even if EJ doesn’t get hurt and the offense showed up despite EJ being out against Clemson, oh yeah and EJ played against UVA too.
You can have the loser attitude of not wanting to be ranked highly.
I’ll take a high ranking any day if it helps our potential NC chances.
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
by PalmAireNole on Dec 12, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Ya OU was still good when we played them
They were ranked #1 at that point. Is it your ridiculous contention that we lost to OU because we were ranked #5 and that if we’d been ranked lower we would have won?
Offense showed up against Clemson because their defense was mostly terrible this year.
What does UVA have to do with this conversation? We were discussing high rankings causing us to be not hungry and lose games. But UVA has no bearing on that discussion.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 12, 2011 2:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Being ranked has nothing to do with how we play
It does, however, effect whether I’m watching the FSU games on TV or firstrowsports. I prefer TV.
He was also injured behind Ponder and last season as well.
"I dont hate people. I just feel better when they aren't around." -Bukowski
by cerebralfish on Dec 13, 2011 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
I'm always wary of high pre-season rankings
based purely on available talent. We’ve always had talent, but until we can put away the games that we should and beat the good teams, I can’t buy the hype.
I will accept a 10-15 ranking. Top ten is pushing it. It can only lead to eventual let-down.
"Rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in"
IMO this is a selfish mentality
You don’t want to read or hear others call us overrated so you want us to start low despite being a top 10 team talent-wise. A high ranking never lost a game for us.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 12, 2011 12:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Meh....
If we win, the rankings will take care of themselves. I, for one, could care less what we are ranked. The 2012 team will be COMPLETELY about performance — not potential, or hype, or hope.
No.
In BCS reality – if we started ranked 15 there are 14 potential teams that, given the same win/loss record at the end of the season, it will be near impossible to jump in the rankings.
If we start preseason #8, then there are only 7 potential teams we couldn’t jump.
For example, if Oklahoma St had started the year ranked higher than Alabama, they would most likely be in the title game.
by sonofagunn on Dec 12, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree with this^^^^^
I want to be ranked number one going into every season………. cuz if the “hype” is a detriment than we werent any good anyways
Not really true
So much depends on strength of schedule and timing of the loss as well that your point is an exagerration at best. Bama is going to the MNC over OkSt for two reasons: 1) their loss is to LSU and OSU’s is to ISU; and 2) OSU’s loss came later in the season giving them less opportunity to recover. Like it or not, preseason ranking had nothing to with it whatsoever
"Like it or not, preseason ranking had nothing to with it whatsoever"
PFFFFF!!!!
I almost laughed myself sick
RayRayRayRay = Homerism Squared
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Dec 12, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
^Scoreboard^
- 2…
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
by PalmAireNole on Dec 12, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
damn touch pad on laptop
- is a knee slapper…
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
by PalmAireNole on Dec 12, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I think you missed the biggest reason
Bama is a storied program while OkSt is the new kid on the block. I have little doubt that if it was OU with the OkSt resume they would be playing against LSU.
F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
Preseason ranking has much to do with voters' perceptions of teams at the end
It’s very cyclical and self-reinforcing.
Voters believe team A is better than team. So come decision time if the teams have ssimilar resumes they put the team higher they originally perceived to be better.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 12, 2011 2:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is anyone really trying to argue that Bama isnt the 2nd best team in CFB regardless of preseason ranking or not? If anything, the only argument I have seen against them being in the MNC is the fact that they already played and lost to LSU, which is legitimate but again has nothing to do with them being ranked higher than Okie State at the beginning of the year.
it has a lot to do with the fact most of the country thought they were going to be in the Championship game before the season started.
I believe and think most would too that if Bama was ranked let say 9th and OSU was preseason ranked 2nd, then OSU would be in the NC game.
very few thought OSU would be in the NC game at the beginning of the year…most though Bama would be in the game. That preseason bias exists.
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
by PalmAireNole on Dec 12, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Okst has the superior resume
Bama is considered better based on subjective assessments (that I happen timeout agree with) of voters (and F/+ which is highly objective but plays no role in the selection process).
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 12, 2011 3:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What I want to know
Is FSU’s record against D-1 opponents while ranked in the Top 25 in the last 3 years, and our record while not ranked. It feels like we lose almost every game we play while ranked, then start winning after we drop out. First game we’re ranked again? You can almost guarantee a loss.
Anyone know the record?
by MarchantWarchant on Dec 12, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
If you have a Phil Steele mag it shows the last 5yrs worth of W/L and where we were ranked for each game.
I’m at work or id dig it up for ya.
by jenolesone on Dec 12, 2011 1:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks
I don’t have the mag, but maybe I can grab the info from online somewhere later
by MarchantWarchant on Dec 12, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I calculated it a couple years ago
Probably for 2006-2009 seasons…don’t remember exactly. It was definitely below .500. I’ve thought about doing some analysis after this season and including opponent strength and such, but I haven’t gotten around to it yet.
I was really hoping
That the coaching rumors wouldn’t start until at least after next year. Didn’t think this season was the kind that would really put any of the coaches on the top of any lists, save for Stoops.
"Rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in"
What do we know of the Fisher - Stoops realtionship - if it is not good - I could see Stoops leaving
did I miss something?
Where/when did these rumors start about the Fisher-Stoops relationship not being good? any truth to it?
Fisher was heated after the G5 and Matt Elam incident.
And while Stoops was holding Greg’s shoulder it looked like Fisher was giving them both an earful, doesn’t mean they have a bad relationship. Think its just a load of BS.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
I think they have a beach house somewhere don’t they
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Dec 12, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
pretty sure that was sarcasm
by nolesdude on Dec 12, 2011 2:09 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Nole news is good news.
that just popped into my head
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Dec 12, 2011 12:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
"Jameis Winston is Committed to FSU"
Alternative article title:
“Toothless Redneck Residents of the S-Hole of Alabama, Winston = FSU, so GFY.”
Go Fish, You
?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
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Google For (life), Yahoo!
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Gizzard Fry was Yesterday
a nightmare scenario for the average SEC fan
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Garnet For You
Official reader of Tomahawk Nation.
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gross fiscal yeilds
It's all about the process
gargantuan festering yokels
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Dec 12, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Go find yankees
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
by PalmAireNole on Dec 12, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Grizzard Festival Yearly…….

In War of the Worlds, the aliens, with all their superior technology and brains, were still defeated by something as simple as a virus. They had reached the highest form of evolution but had somehow lost immunity to the simplest form of attack along the way. The success of that virus against invading aliens is an apt analogy for Tim Tebow's success against every other NFL team.
by Nole Resurrected on Dec 13, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Get them Yoyos
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
I like Bruce Feldman's work a lot but
I think he is over looking the fact that Eddie Gran getting top talent from to play for high profile teams is different from getting them to play at some hell hole of a school in Arkansas that plays in a crappy conference. Not saying he wouldn’t be able to bring in the talent, but I doubt it would be at the level we saw at Aubarn, FSU, or even Tennessee.
Well the campus does resemble a state prison, but that’s just my opinion. I don’t think Feldman is saying he could recruit top level talent to Jonesboro, AR, I think he’s just mentioning his abilties and why ASU would be interested in him. Again, I live in Arkansas and I don’t think there is much to this story.
by arkansasnole on Dec 12, 2011 2:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And based on Eddie's reputation
If Ark St. can’t pay him much, they certainly won’t be able to benefit from his recruiting “abilities.”
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 12, 2011 2:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have serious doubts they can pay anything more than $300k a year. I think Freeze was getting a shade under $200k a year. They’ve only had one winning season in about the last 20 years, and that’s this year. I just don’t see Gran making this move.
by arkansasnole on Dec 12, 2011 2:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
According to Bruce Feldman
Lamar Miller is going to the NFL Draft. Canes take another hit. Next year is going to be brutal for them.
Another thing on Gran to Ark State is lack of Coordinator experience
That didn’t help Dabo too much at Clemson, and Arkansas State wouldn’t have the resource to hire all star coordinators.
Who’s calling his plays? Who can he hire with the resources there? Who can he recruit with the facilities there?
Not an ideal situation. And he doesn’t have play calling experience at all in his history, so it’s not like he can go from RB coach to OC at a middle of the road school and expect to win big.
Stoops to Auburn
It’s been fun
by optimisticNOLE on Dec 12, 2011 3:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Ya, he has a radio show
But it’s on twitter as well. Can’t link w my phone
by optimisticNOLE on Dec 12, 2011 3:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is anyone else reporting it?
Or are they just saying what Finebaum said?
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
Keep us posted. At work – no radio
by optimisticNOLE on Dec 12, 2011 3:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He said he's still trying to confirm.
Saying he thinks it wouldn’t make much sense to go to Auburn, re-do their defense instead of staying at FSU, knowing you have so much elite D talent coming back.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
Terrible news about Stoops if true.
If it’s true do we promote Hudson or find someone else?
by fsunole23 on Dec 12, 2011 3:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Think we promote Hudson
but we’d have to also find a new DB coach.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
Fear da Spear
I hope none of our recruits leave because of Stoops leaving???? If it were not true he would have said something ( he being Stoops)
by Bbett on Dec 12, 2011 3:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I just hope he doesn't deny deny deny
like Urban Liar. If you accepted it, say it and move on.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
Thought the Reed comments were unnecessary.
Keeping the current divisional alignments is a horrible idea. Swofford is an idiot if he does that. And it’d seem to indicate snatching up Pitt and Cuse was more luck than genius.
F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
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MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
Lines are drawn
I think the best we could hope for it Georgia Tech being moved to our division. Outside of that, do we really care. Your closest geographic school should be on the schedule annually. I would settle for a swap with BC; however, the ACC is not going to want 4 Big Easters on one side. I wouldn’t mind sending Maryland there way. I don’t believe they have any football reason to stay in the Atlantic. Swofford would say that GT for MD would upset the W-L balance.
My realistic hope:
Atlantic Coastal
FSU – Miami
GT – MD/UVA
Clemson – UVa/MD
Wake – Duke
NC St. – UNC
BC – Pitt
’Cuse – VT
I’d fully accept a ’Cuse and Pitt switch if we get GT. How could the ACC ESPN not want that matchup? It beats FSU-MD, which is the only game any school would lose. However, Maryland ends up with a more regional game against both Pitt and VT. This makes too much sense to happen.
Go tell it to Moses.
by FLpanhandler on Dec 12, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be "fine" with that.
F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
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MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
yea I'm surprised about the Reed comments...
He had a very competitive spirit and came up big many times for us. He had his inconsistencies but he was more reliable then other receivers we’ve had in the past and is a high character guy.
Now he is
a high character guy
plenty of off the field issues earlier, but he really turned it around
From BCI, re: 'Cuse joining the Atlantic
The poster commented on how the VPI-UVa game was a mini-playoff for the Coastal division title. He hoped that Syracuse-BC might become an annual final game rivalry.
“Always meet the final game of the regular season and hopefully in some years there is an Atlantic Division title on the line.”
Call me a romantic, but that was kinda cute. Syracuse and Boston College, tickle-fighting for a slot in Charlotte. Tee-hee!
If this ever happens, we must immediately fire every coach on our staff.
Why would jameis Winston want to got to Alabama ?
Why would any elite quarterback for that matter? It’s is very obvious that Alabama is a run first offense and will always be designed around the run, we are a far better fit for jameis football and baseball
by TheRenegade29 on Dec 13, 2011 8:07 AM EST via mobile reply actions
And why would any elite receiver want to go to Alabama???
Unless you want to learn how to be a great blocking receiver, I just don’t see the attraction.
But I strongly believe, at the end of the day Jameis Winston will be a Nole come signing day. Alabama is probably trying to throw all the money in the world at him to get him to switch but I think he’s one of the few that doesn’t care about that.

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