Alphonse Taylor Drops Florida State?
According to a statement issued by his coach this morning, Alphonse Taylor has decided against attenting Florida State University. Per the Huntsville Times:
"After much deliberation and conversation, Alphonse Taylor has decided against attending Florida State University," Riley's statement said. "We have spent the greater part of the past two days discussing this decision and its ramifications. I have met with the family and they are in full support of their son and Florida Stare was notified of his decision this morning.
"As you are aware we frown upon this type of thing at Davidson and this has been discussed at great length with Alphonse. We are asking that he be allowed a couple of days to work through this and he will not be available or making any public statements concerning this or his future until sometime Friday." -
We have not (and to my knowledge, nobody else has) seen any quote from Taylor. We are dealing with 17-year old kids, and they change their minds all the time. I have no idea what Taylor will do.
The guess is that he'll go to Alabama. But there's no guarantee that Alabama has room. And since Taylor is supposed to enroll early, it complicates things further. I'm sure playing in the Alamaba-Mississippi All-Star game last week did not help FSU's chances.
From our scouting report in April:
As a player, Alphonse Taylor is certainly raw. At 6'6" and about 340 pounds, he packs tremendous power. His agility is good for his size, though he'll definitely need to get in better condition when he arrives in Tallahassee. Taylor wants to play left tackle in college, though he could also play right tackle or defensive tackle. Right tackle is the best bet, as his game is more power than agility. That FSU let him commit as an offensive tackle is encouraging in and of itself, as coach Rick Trickett is picky about his linemen. If he believes Taylor can play for him, that's really all you need to know given his track record. Taylor's academic profile is an unknown at this time. He would, however, be the largest player on Florida State's roster.
Taylor still has a lot of things to work on, but isn't a player FSU wanted to lose. Taylor was not likely a candidate to play early, because he is extremely raw at the position and needs to get in better shape.
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Don’t believe that to be the case
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Ha. I actually had the opposite thought.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I'm Predicting...
Ole Miss. Just a hunch that he’s a guy that will get interest from SEC teams but might not have room at places like Alabama or LSU.
would have to be sooner that that
he is an EE
This F*cking Sucks!
We needed all the elite lineman we can get. But good luck to him hopefully he’ll change his mind…SN: Please FSU fans have some class don’t harass these kids on FB and Twitter you look like a weirdo and you’re too involved, these are kids.
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by WinstonSalemNole on Dec 13, 2011 3:30 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
I agree...
It shows no class to write these kids and harass them. Although I know we need him BAD, I just hope he still somehow comes to FSU!
What do you have against periods?
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by Jamil Dawson on Dec 13, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
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by WinstonSalemNole on Dec 13, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
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by Jamil Dawson on Dec 13, 2011 7:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You guys. Just when I start thinking you’re all decent gentlemen…
Half the time I think most of you look like:
But right now, you’re all very much:

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by JustLikeYouOnlyPrettier on Dec 14, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
But we're so smooth.
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by Jamil Dawson on Dec 14, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
If only this could be rec'd more
I’m just as pissed as anybody else, but one of the things I take pride in is how Nole fans are generally classier than other fanbases.
Please leave the kid alone if he does decide to go elsewhere.
Could be reading into this too much, but all the mention of his parents lead me to think he had family pressure to stay in state.
Tweeting about "all that matters" is that his mom and dad and sis are proud of him. His coach point out that his family "fully supports" his decision.
Somebody stepped in to help out the family with financial affairs.
Happens all the time. My guess is he is going to auburn.
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clumson?
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by stevegrizzle on Dec 13, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Why are we struggling with recruiting elite offensive lineman?
Last year was a great year but this is becoming an issue. Is it Trickett? and hypothetically if we were to get another offensive line coach who would be better than Trickett? always was led to believe he was the best coach at that position…
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by WinstonSalemNole on Dec 13, 2011 3:34 PM EST reply actions
Trickett is a good coach
knows his sh@#, but kids these days don’t respond to being berated all practice every practice.
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Overrated
Trickett is the most overrated coach in the country, in my opinion. We have one of the worst lines in the country right now. No excuses. His crappy line is single-handily costing FSU a legitimate shot at undefeated season next year.
I will say that the line was decent last year, so I can give him some credit for that, but it’s not like we didn’t lose 4 games last year, with a senior first-round NFL QB at the helm nonetheless.
Please don't say "what, what" during the fight song. Show some respect. We are not Miami.
by mp212121 on Dec 13, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
We have one of the worst lines in the country right now.
Is definitely not true
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How bout in the ACC?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm, whose would you rather have? Miami and UVA, for sure.
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VT, Wake.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I think the opposite list would be shorter.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Depends if we're talking about this past season, or going into 2012.
VT’s line this past year was great, but they also had 4 seniors on the line, including a very good LT in DeChristopher. Miami also had 2 seniors and a standout junior in Washington.
I’m not the leader of the Trickett fan club by any measure, but I would imagine that most team’s OLs would have struggled if they had faced the injury and inexperience issues that we faced this season, no matter the coach.
by SeminoleSkins87 on Dec 13, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, this whole conversation started with "right now".
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I saw that...
but that’s why I think it’s going a bit overboard in judging Trickett or the OL on a “right now” basis, especially compared to other OLs in the ACC.
Nearly everyone in the ACC had better luck with their OLs than we did this past year.
by SeminoleSkins87 on Dec 13, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think anybody's judging him
on the performance of the current 5.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
GTs line in our system would get throttled
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 13, 2011 5:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
relatively speaking, we do
i’m tired of the excuses for Trickett. I want FSU to be an elite team. If you guys are happy with this West Virginia type of scheme and squeaking by mediocre ACC teams, so be it.
Please don't say "what, what" during the fight song. Show some respect. We are not Miami.
by mp212121 on Dec 13, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Repeat after me
Good offensive lines feature upperclassmen starters that return at their natural position.
We ended the year with one upperclassmen starter who is playing a new position.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Explain his failure at recruiting.
I remember saying we need an OL coach that can recruit and Bud said, well we have Taylor committed and we’re the leader for Tunsil 2013 OT.. now what?
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
That is a huge demerit on RT
I’m pointing out the technical level of the players he’s coached.
What are you glorifying with your life?
That is what sucks.
With all the injuries this year, it shouldn’t be a challenge for RT to explain why our OL struggled this year. However, with the way our OL recruiting has been going it’s NOT that easy. Even UF, who might have had a lesser OL then us is kicking our butts in OL recruiting.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
last years class
Best OL class in country. Read it on multiple sites and listened to espn rave about it. we have FOUR of them starting in practice due to injuries. Were we wrong about these kids? You cant say that in thier 1st year. Who starts on O Line as a Frosh these days?
What happens if we land Peat? Are we not in the running for him?
Sky isnt falling.
And trickett turned a O Line that had been sub par for years into the best in the ACC. We just went through the O Line rebuilding year due to a lot of injuries. Lets see what these kids look like next year before we judge them. And lets let this class come together before we say we cant recruit.
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Dec 14, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec this man...
O Line develop is like smoking meat on a Saturday. Slow and low is the tempo. Good BBQ takes time.
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by CashvilleNole on Dec 14, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Agree
we need to bring in more than 1 OL in 2012, but IMO a good OL is determined more by development of the individual OL and the unit as a whole than it is on guys who are highly ranked out of HS. For example, Wisconsin’s current OL is widely considered to be very good, but the 2 deep is made up of 2 unranked, 6 3*s, 0 4*s and 1 5* guy. And Trickett has shown that he can develop—what he can’t do is recruit at the same level as the other current staff.
Championship!
Wait
Are we cooking kids. If so, I don’t support that.
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by Jamil Dawson on Dec 14, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Whose fault is that?
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by Shooter McFrattin on Dec 13, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
Is any of that on Viloria?
I don’t know what all the injuries were this year and I’m sure plenty were from incidents where S&C wouldn’t matter (concussions, ACL tears, etc) but it seemed like we had more than our fair share of injuries… could strength and conditioning and maybe even our training staff be a concern?
I don't know how else to say this
NO. S&C is top of the line here. Except the horse steroids and beaver tranquilizers they give those dudes at Bama.
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Beaver tranquilizers? They have a DRusso, too?
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by JustLikeYouOnlyPrettier on Dec 14, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
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I don’t see much WVU scheme in what they were doing this year. What WVU elements were you seeing?
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i’m not some film watching junkie… but WVU is a school that since Trickett has had lines that create little holes for Noel Devine type of RB’s to slip through, as opposed to pushing the other line back a yard or two and running up the gut. It’s ok if you want to be a good team in the Big East and ACC.
Please don't say "what, what" during the fight song. Show some respect. We are not Miami.
You saying you don't watch film and implying that you don't get the difference in the systems
Invalidates your opinion.
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by AMFKNole on Dec 13, 2011 5:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But seeing as how we're in the ACC, RT should be working out fine, then, right?
I don’t think you made the point you wanted to make.
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My point is
we can get by as a good ACC team with this line, because the ACC is not a strong conference. If that’s your goal, ok. But I would rather be an elite team that can compete at the national level. I envision when we play Oklahoma at Doak, we should at the very least break even when matching our oline vs their dline. Back after that game so many people claimed OU’s defense was amazing and it wasn’t fair to criticize our line… but then Missouri goes out and runs for something like 175 yards against them the next week…. and we know what happened to OU as the season went on.
Yes, our line will be better next year. But Clemson’s defense should be better next year. Florida’s defense should be better next year. We have Virginia Tech on the schedule next year – I can’t imagine their defense will be any worse than they’ve been the past couple years.
I don’t mean to be doom and gloom… but I feel strongly that we have the pieces in place to make an undefeated season run next year, aside from this line. In my opinion Trickett’s line has a long way to go.
Please don't say "what, what" during the fight song. Show some respect. We are not Miami.
Your Mizzou reference doesn’t take into consideration, they just played the biggest game of the year there will be a let down, just like our D didn’t show up against Clemson.
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by PalmAireNole on Dec 14, 2011 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe you should apply for the job
sounds like you really know what you are talking about.
'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'
*facepalm
Ok, don’t criticize our coaches and demand excellence on and off the field from them. See where that gets FSU.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
It gets FSU exactly the same place they are now
Do you think all these people b!tching about coaches every time something happens is going to change anything, unless of course you do know more than our current staff and they hire you.
'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'
Yes it does.
Lack of booster and fan support is what finally got Bowden canned because the FANS were tired of being mediocre. The most successful teams in college football also have the fans with the highest standards. It’s no coincidence.
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I think on a smaller scale
Did disgruntled fans have anything to do with finally getting rid of Bobby? I’d say so.
I don’t have a problem with any coach on this staff except for Trickett. My fear is I think he might be an old stubborn military guy not adapting to change. I don’t have anything against him personally, I don’t think I can coach better than him, but I think that as CEO of the offensive line, he is not a good fit with what Jimbo wants to do on offense (see LSU under Jimbo) and even at his best I didn’t see a line that could control the game.
Please don't say "what, what" during the fight song. Show some respect. We are not Miami.
So what does Trickett have to do with Tayler decommiting?
Tayler said earlyer that he liked Trickett.
'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'
Taylor
'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'
Nothing
That doesn’t sway my opinion either way. I have always been skeptical of Trickett’s coaching style and everything that comes with him… after this year I’m done with him and ready to move on.
Please don't say "what, what" during the fight song. Show some respect. We are not Miami.
my two year old used to crap his pants and cry
Ok, don’t criticize our coaches and demand excellence on and off the field from them. See where that gets FSU.
now I understand he was only demanding excellence, based on your definition, if you don’t understand and all you can do is complain and get stinky, well…
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
can we have rational discussions here?
I’m debating that Trickett is overrated. Using depth, injuries, and underclassmen as excuse isn’t doing it for me and others who are frustrated and want FSU to be an elite team. People claim he is one of the best line coaches in the country. The only proof I see is having a formidable line in 2010. Is that enough proof? Maybe before this season I would agree.
Please don't say "what, what" during the fight song. Show some respect. We are not Miami.
Injuries affect the team. That’s a fact of football. Not sure why people think it’s an excuse.
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Well it’s an excuse, but I’m not buying it. It’s not like we are talking injuries to all-americans here. injuries on the offensive line are inherent and it’s frankly pitiful that Florida State University can’t fill at least 10 scholarships with elite linemen. Trickett did it his way, and we paid the price this year.
Please don't say "what, what" during the fight song. Show some respect. We are not Miami.
No university in the country can have 10
elite linemen on scholarship that would be ready to step in, start, and be successful in a given year. That is complete and utter idiocy.
by seminoles44 on Dec 13, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair, you added a lot to his statement.
And the word “elite” gets thrown around too much, anyway. Just between last year’s and this year’s classes we have that many ESPNU 150 D-lineman. Why shouldn’t we expect the same level of recruits on OL? Is that unreasonable?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
True. Chalk it up to me being in a bad mood
And, I guess when I think elite, I think first team all-conference or better. Having 10 of those guys would be awesome, but not realistic.
by seminoles44 on Dec 13, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Well, you can't recruit all-conference players
Only the potential to be that caliber. And I’d say, without doubt, we have that many on DL just between last year and this….not to mention the couple of “veterans” that are at that level now.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
So, I guess what I'm saying is
the talent difference—even when everybody’s healthy—between OL and DL is enormous. And it shouldn’t be that way. Not putting it all on RT, though. Just sayin.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Fire CTC
That fact that I'm paranoid doesn't mean that there isn't a conspiracy against us
by stevegrizzle on Dec 13, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Man, practice must suck for our OLine.
Having to go up against that DLine all the time.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 13, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Great points being made both ways about Trickett et al in this thread, but I see this as the fundamental point here. Ultimately, if we are recruiting the same on both sides, we as a fanbase are not freaking out about the loss of Taylor. We’d have other options, a number of other recruits on the hook. However, we don’t.
Totally agree there are good arguments both ways.
I hope most people here understand this. Unfortunately these things always seem to polarize the crowd.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 14, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
People love to argue!
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No they don’t dummy
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by RollNole5 on Dec 14, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
elite
relatively speaking. I’m not saying 10 all-acc or all-americans. But I don’t see why we can’t have two lines of solid players. I mean, are we not in the most football rich state in the country? The way I see it UF had 10 solid olineman for most of Urban Meyer’s tenure.
Trickett prefers to take a lot of projects and guys who have a chip on their shoulder. What happens is what you see this year…. couple graduations and injuries and we are sht out of luck.
Please don't say "what, what" during the fight song. Show some respect. We are not Miami.
okay, rational: you don;t get and elite line, team, wife or job by wanting one
or demanding one, or by wishing for one. So many winners on this board look past the obvious; Trickett may not be perfect but what the hell is so hard to understand about this year’s line and how they performed? and why is it so hard to accept that what happened to Trickett could have happened to anyone? X’s O’s and footwork and scheme and passion don’t mean anything to an OL that’s inexperienced, not deep and/or playing out of position. That’s rational. Demanding “eliteness” (except in the case of ankles) isn’t rational when there are obvious reasons to explain non-elite performance.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
This isn’t necessary
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It is amazing...
People come out of the woodwork to post when ever we get some bad news. Over reacting is common at times like this I suppose.
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
Plus we don't even know that it's bad news yet
The kid is 17. He’s going to second guess major decisions. There’s a good chance he still ends up here.
by BobLoblaw113 on Dec 13, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
It is always guys you never heard of
That show up with the sky is falling routine. Probably WC escapees
The Seminoles are still America's team
Can there be one with soul so dead whose heart does not leap at the sigh of Renegade and the flaming spear
I asked this in the first game of the season
The o-line sucks. Bud, what?
Did, i miss anything?
Please, let me know…
by Fsu3211 on Sep 3, 2011 5:16 PM EDT upreplyactions
It was deleted.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God’s treasures, Trick
You’re right.
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Sorry, trick
It was deleted.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
agreed, there were concerns coming out of the spring game and over the summer...
people were hanging their hats on spurlock and datko…and that was the only optimism i heard.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Dec 13, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
He was definitely not as good as we were lead to believe, or as good as the coaches were lead to believe.
I will say though, we were still damn lucky we had/have him. I guess that shows how bad the situation was/is with our Offensive Line this year.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 14, 2011 4:01 AM EST up reply actions
What planet are you people from?
Apparently, you’re all from a planet in which a coach’s BS answers during a BS interview in which a BS sports reporters lobs BS softball questions sheds tremendous insights into the functioning of a football team. This clearly not the planet I’m from.
by Meehl on Dec 14, 2011 5:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
RT overdid it with the praise of Krug.
He didn’t stick to coachspeak.
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by Jamil Dawson on Dec 14, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Was that a reply to me? You do realize I was only talking about Krug?
Because if it was, I don’t get it. I will wait for a response before going any further.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 14, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
It was a collective response to "you people"
Look, coaches can say whatever the hell they want to the media. None of the coaches, Jimbo, RT, Gran, Stoops, whatever, view the media as an opportunity to inform fans about the true state of the team. This is true with every team at every level. Coaches could care less about what information you personally have at your disposal because their job has to do with coaching football not disseminating information to you.
I think it’s obvious and illuminating that Jimbo doesn’t want to say anything to the media ever (or is smart enough to know he can’t say what he might WANT to say), but he has obligations to field questions from the media daily and so he has learned a bunch of vacuous nonsense responses. Nothing Jimbo ever says in an interview sheds any light on the functioning of the FSU football team, except for minor factual updates on player’s injuries/grades/illness/etc. It does seem like Jimbo praises the hell of his QBs no matter how well they seem to be playing. My guess is that this is purely psychological and he uses public compliments of his QBs to help keep their confidence up. “My coach is standing by me.” This PR move is probably very helpful when he screams at his QB in game.
So, why did RT say positive things about Krug? Did he mean it? I have no idea. But coaches say all kinds of crap to the media for a variety of reasons (see above). All that I can say for certain is that RT has no obligation to disseminate information to me or you about Krug, and I doubt he makes these statements because he enjoys telling us information. Only, you seem to have taken his statements as extremely factual. I can’t fathom why.
Man, I have no Idea what in the hell you are talking about.
I don’t get how you read my comment, and responded with~
"It was a collective response to ‘you people’ “ then everything you wrote after that, and finished with ”I can’t fathom why".
In short, that whole thing you just wrote, has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING I said.
The only way I could have made any sense of it was if you didn’t realize I was talking about Krug, and only Krug, but in my very next comment I said “You do realize I was only talking about Krug?” That should have cleared up any confusion. So let me say it again, this time a little slower. M y p o i n t w a s, h e w a s n ’ t a s g o o d a s w e t h o u g h t h e w a s g o i n g t o b e , a n d h e m a y a l s o n o t h a v e b e e n a s g o o d a s t h e C o a c h e s t h o u g h t h e w a s g o i n g t o b e, E i t h e r w a y, w e w e r e s t i l l l u c k y t o h a v e h i m. That was it, that was all I said, no hidden meaning.
For the record: I don’t think the coaches have any, and I will put it in all caps so you will know I am yelling it, ANY obligation to give information to the media. If there is a weakness on the team, they should do all he can to cover it up; and if that means giving the media sh!tty info, or having practices that are closed to the media, and the public. I am all for it!
I agree with you completely about that. Why you chose me to try and make that point, and go all “you people” and “I cant fathom”, after I told you “I was only talking about Krug.”, I don’t get. It does lead me to think that you may often pick fights for the right reasons, with the wrong people.
You should copy that whole comment of yours, pick someone else that truly fits the “you people” description, click reply, paste it there, and then click on post.
If you think that we were not lucky to have Krug during this Regular Season, or for the upcoming Bowl Game; regardless of what the Coaches told us before the season (or anytime for that matter), then you should reply in a comment to me. Because you do seem to have well thought out positions, and I would (still) be interested to hear them.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 15, 2011 4:26 AM EST up reply actions
Saying it “really slow” didn’t show properly. There should have been two spaces between each word, but it didn’t come out that way. I think when I put it in Italic, it messed with the spacing. I do apologize.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 15, 2011 4:30 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure why my post confuses you.
You: WE WERE MISLED ABOUT KRUG!
Me: I can’t fathom why “you people” take coaches comments at face value, as if coaches are speaking to the media in order so fans can develop informed decisions. Coaches say things to the media for many purposes (motivate players, because they are obligated to speak, etc) and none of them are to inform fans.
You: BUT IM ONLY TALKING ABOUT KRUG! WHY CAN’T YOU UNDERSTAND ME!
Me: I’m not sure why my post about coaches making crap up to the media confuses you. You brought up being misled by RT about Krug.
Also, I am also glad he’s here bc it would have been way worse without him.
Also, I guess I should also add that this specific exchange didn’t prompt me to post my response. My sense is that there have been numerous posts over the course of the season in which people complained that RT said too many positives about Krug based on how he played. In order to make it clear that I was referring to many people, not just you, I used the words “you people.” It might have confused you if thought I was responding only to people in this thread. I’m not. I’m responding to all the people over the last months who seemed to be mad at RT for being dishonest/wrong.
What a waste of time this has been.
I just erased a whole long response, to your response, of my response, to your response, of your response. The whole thing is giving me a headache, and did not deserve this much of my time.
For the record, I never said anything about RT, so I am not a part of “you people”.
The only point I was trying to make was: It doesn’t matter if he (he being Krug) was as good as we thought he was going to be, or not. We were still lucky to have him on the team. If you disagree with that, well that is you opinion. If you don’t, then your response of “What planet are you people from?” to that comment, and everything after that, was misplaced.
At this point, I no longer care.
I will take Miaminole’s advice, and “Eject”, because this whole conversation is crashing.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 16, 2011 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
Eject Chief, EJECT
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by Miaminole on Dec 15, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Advice taken, and thank you.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 16, 2011 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
Overrated?
You do realize that the current OL features 4 completely different players along the starting line that started the year, right? And the 5th moved from RT to LT?
What are you glorifying with your life?
Two things b/c I am so tired of this argument: 1) The line was not playing well from jump street this year. We didnt get good push against Charleston SOuthern and LA Monroe with all those guys at the beginning of the year; 2) The lack of depth on the line falls squarely on Trickett, he is essentially given carte blance in recruting olineman every year and has been here 4 years.
Agreed with #2, but come on... you're criticizing Trickett for having to play
Spurlock at RG who hasn’t been right in the head for a year now? Or Krug who is a 1st year JUCO who got demoted from C 3 games in and switched with the LG who was a 1st year starter at LG before switching to Center? And a 17 yo at RT?
What are you glorifying with your life?
I too, am getting worn out with Trickett.
I get the whole injury thing, but why was it not apparent to a seasoned coach like him that Krug was a disaster at Center?
I mean, my butt is still sore from all the smoke that was blown up it regarding how impressive he was, yada yada yada…
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Could this be more on CJF?
I mean with Bud talking about the personnel differences that Stoops and Fisher had, is it not unreasonable to think the same thing with Tricket?
I've heard
that all the assistant coaches, most of the grad assistants, both ball boys, 2/3 of the kitchen staff and all three groundskeepers have isues with CJF.
by law74 on Dec 13, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
FWIW
I wasn’t trying to imply that Trickett and Fisher didn’t get along. Just that maybe Fisher thought Krug deserved to start and Trickett was overridden (TWSS?).
I was reading the comments from one of the Stoops stories where Bud said that Stoops and Fisher apparently had personnel differences. I took that too mean Stoops thought one player was better suited to play over the other while Fisher did not. I’m also assuming Stoops didn’t win that argument.
Forgive me if i was wrong.
No problamo
Every coach in college football get’s blasted by fans except one….the guy that is holding the crystal trophy after the BCS title game. Even the losing coach in that game is not immune. I remember what a ton of fans said about BB or Richt after we lost to OU and Tennessee. Bottom line…if you don’t win every game, us hindsight warriors are going to give them hell.
They make the big bucks so it’s ok for us armchair pundits to take as many shots at them as we can.
But it’s a little sad that when some 17 year old kid changes his mind on what university he wants to attend and it’s the fault of the position coach, his recruiter or the head coach.
It’s just as sad when we point out that a “relationship” between coaches (which I seriously doubt any of us know the total story….unless someone can convince me they’re ass hole buddies with one) is cited as a big factor in a possible move by one of them. Putting this on an equal footing with $300,000 to $400,000 and a move from one of the worst BCS aq conferences to the very best conference seems like a stretch. Food for thought….after some of these recent posts there are going to be hundreds of “informed” people that are going to be rapidly spreading the “word” that JF and MS are bitter enemies.
Just my $.02.
I couldn't agree more!
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Well, you have very firmly entrenched yourself
in one extreme while blasting away at the other, under the guise of fair/reasonable. Bill O’Reilly?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Haha! Wait...what?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
I know who he is
but if it’s not on ESPN, Nickelodeon or Disney Channel…I don’t watch it. So, I didn’t get the reference
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Your roommate watches Dora, Diego, Mickey Mouse
and college football with his kids? haha.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 14, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
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Did someone say…bananas?
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by Jamil Dawson on Dec 14, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
because I had that song in my head today….even before reading this.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 14, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
So does this little girl-------------->
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 16, 2011 7:39 AM EST up reply actions
I assume
your comments were directed at me. “extreme” “blasting” and “guise of fair/reasonable”
Haha. Yeah.
Had to set up the “Bill O’Reilly” comment that way. I do think your comments generally tend to be in the extreme “For the Coaches” corner and frequently—through passive-aggressive means—blast the other extreme….“Blaming Coaches for Everything” corner.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 14, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Well now that makes me feel a lot better
“Extreme”?
Not a word most people like to hear when someone uses it in describing a stance they may tend to take.
I have some issues with some of the coaches as well but what I see on some of the posts here is typical of disgruntled fans. I understand that.
Sorry if I happen to make an attempt to point that out every now and then.
I know I made a fan post supporting Gran a few months ago and you took great exception to that.
I guess that makes me “extreme” but it sounds more like I may disagree with your point of view than anything.
One final thought….do you respond to other posters with words like “extreme”, “guise of being fair/reasonable” and “blast”?
Hmm. Being a little sensitive, I think.
To what point of view of mine are you referring? I’ve given quite a few and I think I rarely put all the blame/credit, for anything, in one place. Conversely, I rarely give complete immunity to any particular person/group. I’ve honestly never read a comment or post of yours that expressed any culpability on any coaches when things haven’t gone well. If I’ve missed some, then please consider the “light-hearted” O’Reilly comparison null and void.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 14, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Purvis can't stand him either
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How the hell
Can Wisconsin get a big time O-line? And FSU can’t get sh!t?
They definitely need Trickett more than FSU does.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 14, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
I think the recruiting thing is just being glanced over, here.
Imagine if we had capable backups on the offensive line. Really, think about that for one moment. OK State used FOUR new players on their OL this year. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t be expecting a run for the title with our backups, however I think it is entirely fair to assume that a team of FSU’s caliber with a coach who has been so highly touted would be able to put together a serviceable offensive line. Youth and inexperience is an excuse for a lack of good depth. Look at the inconsistencies in our OL commitments for each recruiting cycle. Bottom line: THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. We gambled. We got burned.
We got a lot more action from guys who were TRUE FRESHMEN than guys who have had redshirt years or time in the system. We should just hire Coach Connely from STAHS because his players were more effective out there than RT’s guys. Really. I’m being hyperbolic but at this point I’m just so frustrated. We’re CONTINUING to miss big now at the thing we can’t afford to miss with. We need OL depth. We’re not getting it.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
We got a lot more action from guys who were TRUE FRESHMEN than guys who have had redshirt years or time in the system.
Where are people getting this from? The only Frosh that started was Hart. Barron played a game and a half, and Matias and Jackson got mop-up duty. Stork and Faircloth are both RS-SO, Sanders a SR, and Krug a JUCO transfer. When the year started we had Datko, Stork, Krug, Spurlock, and Sanders. 3 SR’s, 1 JR, and 1 third year SO and we couldn’t get a push on Louisiana Monroe.
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I think you're missing the point, man.
Two of those guys shouldn’t have been starting because of injuries. Another one probably shouldn’t count as an upperclassman considering he had just as much FBS experience as a true freshman.
Forget that, though. You’re telling me after our first 5 starting OL that our best options are true freshmen? That’s a massive failure.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Faircloth should have been starting.
Spurlock didn’t look very good from the start. Datko pretty much being replaced by Hart is the only glaring thing to me. Why didn’t we have a somewhat experience, serviceable OT ready to step in in case Datkor or Sanders went down, instead of having a kid who’s not even old enough to buy tobacco START?
I see what you’re saying with Krug, I’ll say RS-FR, at least. Two years of experience (albeit at JUCO) and a spring at FSU he should have looked MUCH better.
You’re telling me after our first 5 starting OL that our best options are true freshmen? That’s a massive failure.
I’m guessing they were, and yes that is a huge failure. Couldn’t agree more.
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Ah, the TN Spokesman I've been waiting for.
Since you’re speaking for everybody, maybe you can also point out where I am wrong. You know, instead of just saying it with an air of superiority.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 14, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
First time in forever.
Lots of problems down at STA this year. Major, major problems.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
You lost Jake. Don't think people recognized how big of a loss that would be...
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Yea man, kid was a great football player. I think he'll do great at Iowa.
Lots of other stuff going on though, man. Bad, bad rumblings from families that donate a lot of money to the school.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
I started working out with him when he was a Soph....wanted FSU to show more interest as he reminds me of Ponder.
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Good kid, nice family. Very typical STA people, haha
I think he’ll do great at Iowa, he’d do well in that sort of offense.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. Only met his dad, but he was always really cool with me.
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Good post
The writing on the wall was during those first two games when we couldn’t get a push even against ULM.
Please don't say "what, what" during the fight song. Show some respect. We are not Miami.
Biggest failing has been recruiting
There have not been capable back ups ready when injuries happen. This however can be fixed. Trickett uses the same system Alabama does.
The Seminoles are still America's team
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YES - overrated
The guy has been here for FOUR years. I’m willing to shave off one year because of the Bowden incompetant factor. He’s had at least three years here. And we can’t covert 3rd and 1’s versus Virginia. We basically had to take a knee versus UF, an SEC defense, because our line is that bad. And it got worse over the course of the year with penalties and pass protection.
Go ahead and tout this guy as a great coach. And then talk to me next year when are offense is only marginally better because of the offensive line, and we drop two games to ACC teams.
Look at the power running attack Jimbo had at LSU. Now look at us. We are more like West Virginia than LSU, and we’ve been building this line for FOUR years.
Please don't say "what, what" during the fight song. Show some respect. We are not Miami.
Depth is on RT
But the OL is bad because 4 out of 5 are newbies, not because of poor coaching.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Which newbies are we using?
The newest ones. We’ve had linemen who have played in the system for a while now and we’re starting the greenest ones. This, I think, is another red flag.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
They don’t play in the system when they have concussions like Orelus and Spurlock. Snider had a career ending injury. Datko about the same unless he can come back after surgery next season. McMahon and the All American Rodney Hudson had to be replaced.
You would expect even the casual fan to know this.
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by DocHoliday2 on Dec 13, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Don't forget Rhonne Sanderson, too.
Plus, Faircloth was also out the beginning of the year. Had everyone been healthy, I don’t think we would have seen Bobby Hart this year. When Datko went down Faircloth would have played OR Sanders would have slid over to LT and Faircloth would have gone to RT. Plus, once Krug wasn’t cutting it you would have seen Snider or Orelus. Same with Spurlock.
Injuries happen, I understand that and the effect that they have on the OL unit as a whole.
That being said, it’s not like any of these were surprises (except the Sanders injury…maybe not even then I don’t remember the circumstances surrounding the injury. Multiple knee problems or something?).
Datko and Sanders missed massive amounts of time recovering from playing hurt all the year before. We knew about the problems with Orelus and Spurlock. And instead of using more experienced, probably more physically mature players that we should have on our depth chart we were using true freshmen and JUCO transfers.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
And he produced excellent offensive lines in '09 and '10
I’d give him excellent grades 08-10, bad grade this year even with the injuries
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I don’t have time right now, but maybe later I’ll do an analysis to prove that against quality competition, our line hasn’t even been average, even in past years under him. 2010 was a bit of an exception… the line did play good, especially versus South Carolina.
I understand the line will be better next year and in the future, but I’m not confident it will be elite. Keep in mind, my mentality is not “with a few breaks we could have beaten Wake and UVA”… my mentality is we need to pound those guys off the field by halftime. Trickett has proved nothing to me that we will be able to do that soon… and by SOON… I mean NEXT YEAR when we have a legit shot at going undefeated at every other position on the field.
Please don't say "what, what" during the fight song. Show some respect. We are not Miami.
That would be interesting only if you showed how others did against that same competition. But I doubt we’ll see that.
If you can’t see the quality he’s put out there 09-10, I’m not sure what to say.
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IIRC, the only real problem was in the redzone.
And it was mostly on TE’s and RB’s.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Don't know.
I was there and remember Pierre-Paul destroying everything. Not putting that loss on the OL but they didn’t really help the cause.
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Yeah
We TOTALLY should have hemmed that guy up. And the NFL-er across from him.
Yeah, umm, no.
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by freshcollegeboy on Dec 13, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Aren't Datko and Sanders future NFL players?
And what kind of mentality is that? Our guys get schooled by another player, but wait, it’s okay he plays in the NFL. Pathetic.
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Totally right
As sophomores they should have easily handled him.
Good point.
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by freshcollegeboy on Dec 13, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yea that's exactly what I said.
And I’m pretty sure JPP was only a junior.
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DE and OL are waaay different and players at those positions grow at much different rates
DE’s can be great even if they don’t have much technique.
OL is the exact opposite. There’s a reason you don’t see it that often.
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by freshcollegeboy on Dec 13, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
2010 was not really an exception
Oline was unimpressive against the three best dlines we played: UF, Clemson, and Oklahoma.
Wonder how other teams did against those two defenses (UF was not elite, iirc)?
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Their dline just like this year was pretty talented and overlooked b/c the rest of their team was so bad. They had elite talent on the line with Floyd, Easley, Howard, Hunter, Green
We've destroyed or done really well some pretty good DLines the past few years.
UMiami, South Carolina, North Carolina, etc.
This year's failing grade though ...
Is attributable to the recruiting gamble in 2009-10 that didn’t pay off – the decision to load up on D-line talent to the detriment of olinemen. He may be coaching his arse off this year, but we won’t see it until his troops mature. The mistake was made years ago.
by World Violation on Dec 13, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
overreacting
The line play was decent due to the numerous fluke injuries. The backups where either 1st or 2nd year freshmen. You can not except kids 18 and 19 years old to have grasp on something that is already difficult to master. If they were juniors and seniors then you would have a point. Just relax and things will get better. It could be worse…UF had a turnstile offensive line most of the season. just my 2 cents.
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False.
Sanders (SR)
Krug (JR)
Stork (RS-SO)
Faircloth (RS-SO) has been here since ’08
and Hart (FR)
It could be worse…UF had a turnstile offensive line most of the season. just my 2 cents.
The “Hey, we were better then UF” argument is stupid. UF sucked this year.
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Krug is a 1ST YEAR TRANSFER FROM JUCO
Stork is a 1st year at LG, then moved to C. Faircloth has been decent. Hart is 17 years old.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Krug is a 1ST YEAR TRANSFER FROM JUCO
That Trickett thought was the best thing since sliced bread, yet he couldn’t get a push on a 260 lb. Charleston Southern DT. Stork was good. Decent OL doesn’t win championships, why the flying Flark is a 17 year old starting on our OL (looks at recruiting over the last 3-4 years)
That post wasn’t meant to say we sucked (even though we did) I was pointing out that youth is NOT the problem on the OL.
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That's what really bothered me
Trickett could’ve used coach-speak or just not really talked about him. Singing his praises back then makes him look pretty foolish now.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
What made it even worse
is not only did he fail to live up to Trickett’s praise, he wasn’t even a below average lineman in the first few games. He looked like he had no business even stepping on a BCS campus, yet alone starting for the preseason #6 team in the nation.
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Yep, though we as media may have mistaken what he said about snapping and bending for his overall ability at center
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I could've sworn he also
mentioned Krug’s run blocking ability and that it was the best he’s seen in a long time.
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Orelus had a concussion he can play tackle
Trickett is not a brain surgeon.
The Seminoles are still America's team
Can there be one with soul so dead whose heart does not leap at the sigh of Renegade and the flaming spear
Dan Foose can play tackle too.
But like Orelus, I don’t think he’ll ever be great at it.
"Nothing like a tight one." -Heather Cox
And Krug was put in a bad spot by the OL coach.
There is no way after watching that guy play the first couple of games that RT and Co could have thought he was ready to play Center. He couldn’t even make the line calls.
WHY IS THIS THE BEST WE CAN PUT TOGETHER????
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
I was simply responding.
I saw you use capitalization for emphasis. Nobody can answer this question, though. I thought maybe if I gave it some emphasis it would get an answer.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I got it
More of an aside. Very dificult question to answer; and the burden and blame of that falls on coaches and HC.
What are you glorifying with your life?
I didn't see much improvement from any of the guys forced into early action
even after 6/7/8 games. And it didn’t seem to be physical problems.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
That school can kiss my as*
All the talk about their kids dont decommit. And dont visit others once committed bla blah blah. How their word is so good. And FSU gets shafted with one of the only OL we have for this class.
From a school that stops kids from supposedly being recruited once committing. Yea BS. If he stays then great it all works out. If not. Wont shed a tear if he fails out and never makes it. Kid or not. He knew the circumstances at that school. And the school failed also
To me I dont mind kids switching it happens. This circumstance with this school and their talk about how they work does piss me off. And if it is the case its one kid. Dont care how old he is that I will not wish good luck in a future of football for.
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Casher plays for the same school. No matter what a school does, anyone can change their mind. The school/coach can only do so much.
by newdynastynole on Dec 13, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
It more of the whole. Once a kid commits hes commited
Dont even make that claim then. Say we try our hardest. I am not someone that would ever harass a kid, thats dumb, but I sure dont have to wish him luck
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Lol, I am almost positive just a week ago that Tsylor tweeted something along the lines of “fsu fans are the best bc they are loyal.”
by CrimiNole Defense on Dec 13, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Don't think this is on Davidson.
This is all on Taylor.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
All the talk about their kids dont decommit.
Can’t blame the coach.
As you are aware we frown upon this type of thing at Davidson and this has been discussed at great length with Alphonse.
I know it's just a coincidence
but ever since Glauser committed it’s been non-stop bad news.
Very disheartening. Not getting elite lineman to consistenly commit hurts.
by MarchantWarchant on Dec 13, 2011 3:47 PM EST reply actions
Not that big of a deal.
Def didn’t want to lose him but we do have some JUCO’s coming in. It’s not like Alabama doesn’t have their fair share of de-commits. This stuff happens.
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if he stays with bama
Fsu will certainly have more work to do.
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by onebarrelrum on Dec 13, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Well
all of the talk about JUCO’s lately might have been a factor in this.
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or because of this
probably wasn’t a surprise to the staff
If we hadn’t signed 7 OLs (not counting Prestwood) last season, it would be a bigger deal. This year, if FSU is able to get another good tackle from the group they are recruiting (Peat, Goodman, etc), then it shouldn’t hurt much. They are going to have to land 1-2 more recruits, but it isn’t like the line is screwed or anything because of this one recruit.
by whodoes on Dec 13, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Right. People forget about the OL class just signed because they were developing this year.
Need to bring in more elite guys, obviously.
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Maybe he heard something on Peat and Goodman
Might not want to compete.
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FSU can't catch a break!!!
This has been the worst week for FSU football in a whille.
1. Stoops may leave
2. Elliot (not that Elliot) may leave with Stoops
3. our mountain of a man OL leaves us after professing he can’t wait to get to FSU since we have the most loyal fans.
4. Stoops may leave
5. Stoops may leave
6. Stoops may leave
by SarasotaSeminole on Dec 13, 2011 3:56 PM EST reply actions
Not to mention we have to fend off people for ME2 and J. Winston
this is the price you pay for recruiting great players……you cant expect them to shut it down
I don't think Winston is FSU bound.
I have a hard time believing he will leave the state. I REALLY hope I’m wrong.
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by Jamil Dawson on Dec 13, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
^^^Debbie Downers^^^
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by Old Buc on Dec 13, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How else should I be about all this bad news?!?!
Sure we all will buck up once a new commit or a new stud coach comes in to replace the losses but the grass isn’t always greener.
by SarasotaSeminole on Dec 13, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Stoops and Taylor may leave
but we have a good bench. We have talented people waiting to take their place.
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Taylor dropped us and we dropped the L in Florida.
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This progarm has no momentum right now, we need to hope Stoops doesnt bolt and need a win in the bowl game to give us something going into the offseason.
by ONOLE05 on Dec 13, 2011 4:03 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
So between Nov.28-Dec 9th what happened?
kid even did the chop with Winston at the miss/bama all-star game this past weekend
Not good news.
We need as many o lineman as we can get.
by fsunole23 on Dec 13, 2011 4:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Elam wasn't our guy to get flipped
We were the temporary benefactor of Florida starting to be Florida.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Seems like the only time we lose a kid it's because they wanted to play different positions
Jimbo and Co track record is pretty darn good once a kid is committed
Lynch?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
No, he was a transfer.
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The staff told him to beat it.
Bud can vouch for the fact that this was a VERY smart decision for the program. Trust me.
by Widespread Seminole on Dec 14, 2011 12:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd LOVE to hear Bud say we're better off without Lynch.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 14, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
Lynch is going to make every frosh AA list this year and Todd Mchsay ranks him as the 3rd best freshman player in all of college football this year behind Watkins and Clowney. I can’t imagine we are better off w/o him.
Nope. Backing one of those up while Tank backed the other.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 14, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
^ - This. Dude is an absolute STUD & will probably be a 1st-round pick.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 14, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
Just silly to think we’re somehow better off.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 14, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Oh God. Cortez Davis flipped more than pancakes
That counts against Fisher, Dabo, Meyer and Holtz.
by CCDFSU07 on Dec 13, 2011 5:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh God. Cortez Davis flipped more than pancakes
That counts against Fisher, Dabo, Meyer and Holtz.
by CCDFSU07 on Dec 13, 2011 5:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Phillips went to Auburn and that ate most of that town.
Also the DL from FIrst Coast went to Clemson.
I am at the point where I am OK either way with RT.....stay another season to prove this season a fluke, or be replaced.
It cannot be denied, however, that SEC coaches especially are HAMMERING FSU with negative OL recruiting that is 100% about RT.
If he stays……how to counter-act that??
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Dec 13, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
FSU's Current Momentum List
1) Get ass kicked
2) Lose kid’s signatures
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How many signatures does Taylor have?
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Does this help with Peat etc.?
Trying to look on the bright side.
I hate recruiting out of Fla, Georgia area.
Winston, Taylor, and Edwards have caused a big stir over the last month.
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Taylor didnt string us along though
He was very swift….a little too swift lol this past weekend changed him obviously
Yes he did.
Last weekend he was doing the chop and saying FSU is awesome can’t wait to leave Alabama.. now he’s decommitting.
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No Peat was in a class by himself anyway...
Board looks very slim, and we may get some trickett specials this class smh
Any chance
the coaches can get him to recommit? I doubt they’re just going to take no for an answer and leave it at that. Maybe a strong showing by the o-line vs ND gives him a reason to go to FSU after all.
of course, always thst possibility.
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by onebarrelrum on Dec 13, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Don't think so
at that school. I don’t doubt, per his coach’s statements, that his decision to de-commit was vetted like crazy. In a case like that, it doesn’t seem logical that you’d de-commit only to re-commit later.
Hadn't been one here in a while
I see Stopps leaving rumors, Trickett leaving rumors, important players decommitting…
Guess I’ll go back to my cave now.
Plus
I forgot how to spell words.
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by Nolesos Locos on Dec 13, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Sooo How long before CFB adopts CBB's early signing period
Def wouldn’t mind it, and I remember Jimbo speaking on it before
Would be interesting
Only way to get out of the commitment is if the coach on record for recruiting that player or hc leave.
Yup
another 2* TE or DL from some prep school in Idaho that’ll switch and become our starting RG.
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Is it possible that he decommitted
because Trickett just may not be here next year? Seems this could be a legitimate reason since the widely publicized article from ESPN in May 2011 states how much he loved Trickett. Just askin’ for anyone who might know,.
Bud addressed this at the top of the thread.
He doesn’t believe it to be the case.
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Sounds like we need a trickett/oline post
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I agree Bud.
Sounds like we need atrickett/olinepost
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by FTSNole on Dec 13, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe we could start with this.
Talk about an ability to reload. The Badgers lose All-Americans Carimi and John Moffitt, plus the versatile Bill Nagy, and they still shouldn’t take any steps backward. Injuries have allowed Wisconsin to build depth the past few seasons, and four of the five spots look extremely solid. Tackle Ricky Wagner, center Peter Konz and guard Kevin Zeitler lead a group that will block for the league’s top running back tandem. Wisconsin’s track record up front is impossible to ignore, and this year’s line should continue the trend.
^^
Why can’t we do that?
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Don't forget.
Wisconsin’s in a region with nowhere near the talent of FSU’s region and has nowhere near the program tradition and history.
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Wisconsin is also in a region where superior oline players are produced
by CCDFSU07 on Dec 13, 2011 5:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is that a serious question?
My first thought was it was rhetorical, but after viewing your previous posts I’m not so sure.
Therefore, the answer to your question, is no.
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by freshcollegeboy on Dec 13, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
That was a question to answer his question, it certainly was rhetorical.
Would you mind going ahead and telling me which posts of mine motivated you to get all douchey with me?
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Which question did you answer?
he said:
Wisconsin is also in a region where superior oline players are produced
To your other question (correctly termed), I’ll be honest and say I had a bad day, which probably doesn’t help. I also vehemently disagree with most (but not all) of your positions, including the idea that you are severely discounting the impact that injuries had on this year.
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by freshcollegeboy on Dec 13, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Question, statement, I definitely was just responding pretty quickly.
That’s why I said douchey instead of something less… well, douchey. I’ve already been getting it from every angle today, man. Sorry.
And I feel like I might as well say this in a response to you because I haven’t said it anywhere else. I am not discounting the injuries at all. At the end of the day, I know the offense would be completely and totally different without them. I am not incredibly upset with how our offensive linemen played, either. They did just as well as anyone could expect for the MASH unit that they’ve been called all season long and that they certainly are.
I’m not disappointed with any of the results that this year has yielded. We’ve had injuries across the board and an incredibly tough schedule to contend with as well. It would be insane for me to make any of my argument based on the results of the season.
The problem, then, lies in the process. We’ve been hedging our offensive line success over the last two or three seasons with the same line that we’ve been running ragged now over the last two to three seasons. Why does nobody bring up the fact that Datko, Sanders and the other upperclassmen were part of what was often referred to as one of the younger, if not the youngest, offensive lines in the country when they began their careers here? They’ve put in their time and then they’ve put in more time. They’re worn out. Don’t get me wrong, none of us could have conceived the magnitude of the injury cluster truck that tainted our OL play throughout the year.
Cue the questions about recruiting and depth, because this all plays a part. I imagine that Coach Trickett was not immediately responsible for the condition of the stable of offensive linemen that he inherited upon beginning his stint with us here; however, I do think that it should have been his primary concern to build up depth on his already meager line that he inherited.
He failed to do so. Don’t get me wrong, he took what was projected to be a average-to-below average offensive line and turned it into something special. He was commended for it. But he did nothing to perpetuate the success. This is the thing that I really find inexplicable. He was riding these horses for years, and even though he obviously has shown that he absolutely CAN develop players into great talents, he hasn’t shown me that this year.
It’s my second contention that he failed to develop the players that he took in the years before last year’s recruiting class. There are more than one or two RsFR and SO linemen on the roster. These boys should have all been more ready to play at any point in this season than the two true freshmen that were playing instead. As I said, by virtue of familiarity with the scheme seniority should determine who is better and who should be on the field. In this case, though, Coach Trickett & co. decided that the new kids on campus who only had the fall to get familiar with their coach and scheme were better. This is a huge red flag for me.
These are my major problems and concerns with what CRT has done while he’s been here. I think my second contention or whatever is not exactly solid, but it’s a concern that’s there. The first point though really just illustrates how important his failures in recruiting really are. The writing was on the wall for needing greater depth and he did less than what many consider the minimum number necessary for offensive linemen on a normal basis- and remember, his cupboards were already bare.
This is the problem I can’t get over. Hindsight is 20/20, yes, but how many more signs does one need to see that we really needed to load up on OL? And he failed to do so.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
And then he brings in the #1 class
but I can understand the rest.
Does the fact that he brought in such a great class this past year give him any lenience? Or has his “past” (which was really good) make you want him gone before having the chance to redeem himself?
I feel like he was excellent for 2-3 years, then had a bad recruiting cycle, then an amazing cycle, then had injuries which exposed the previous bad recruiting. And here we are.
What do you think should happen now? I’m thinking “Hakuna Matata”, but no more excuses.
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by freshcollegeboy on Dec 13, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
There's been one trend throughout his tenure here.
He’s failed at managing his personnel well. Plain and simple.
His on the field successes have been great, but it’s not enough if they’re sporadic. If every other year one or two of the guys don’t fit in the system, or once every couple of years our line begins to crap out from years of work from funky recruiting trends we’ll find ourselves in a similar position.
I think right now this is a good, sort of organic position to make a change. Suppose FSU released CRT and hired someone with the sort of philosophy that would complement Jimbo’s offense the best. Perhaps it would be a scheme that wouldn’t require such a significant amount of time to be able to transition into seamlessly.
I have a feeling, though, that Jimbo will do something more like what you think should happen. I can understand it, but I just think this is the time to try to upgrade.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Good grief
You talk like he’s been here 30 years.
If every other year one or two of the guys don’t fit in the system, or once every couple of years our line begins to crap out from years of work from funky recruiting trends we’ll find ourselves in a similar position.
THIS IS NOT A TREND. THIS HAS HAPPENED ONCE. ONCE. ONCE. ONCE. ONCE.
If it happens again? Sure, I’m all for a change. But we allowed Dawsey to stay for one more year to prove himself and he’s been wonderful. Same with Odell. Why not give Trickett the same opportunity??? He improves drastically this coming year or he’s gone.
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by freshcollegeboy on Dec 14, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I can understand where you're coming from entirely.
Like I said, I think he will end up being kept on the staff for next season, at least.
That said, it was multiple years of poor recruiting and personnel management which left the OL in the state that it was in at the onset of this season. I’m talking about before the injury storm ever even really hit. It’s not just one year that leaves you with all of two upperclassmen OL that aren’t walk-ons (I left out Fahrenkrug because he lacks the experience in the system). That was the trend I was getting at.
Keep in mind, the trend had already been established before Trickett even arrived at FSU when you consider what he inherited. That should have been even more reason for Trickett to compensate for the high turnover rate his unit has experienced, and instead there was the continuing failure to reload until last season.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 15, 2011 1:59 AM EST up reply actions
I believe bigger issue with recruiting is lack of pipeline overall, not just one bad recruiting cycle.
FSU’s pattern is almost nothing, big class, almost nothing, almost nothing, big class, almost nothing.
If you go back and look at all classes since RT has been here, the 2007 Rodney Hudson class was junk outside of Rodney. 2008 had Datko, Sanders, and Spurlock as the big names but is worn out. 2009 is non-existent now with Orelus and Prior gone. 2010 had Foose who is a non-factor. 2011 was a monster class that got thrown to the fire quickly. 2011 is looking like a JUCO scramble.
Failure to consistently recruit on the OL is going to continue to be a problem going forward.
What I think everyone is forgetting.......
We have only a finite amount of resources (schollys, time to recruit, coaches, etc…) and our DL depth was aweful in 09. We fixed that problem but by doing that limited the amount of OL that we could bring in. As I alluded to in an earlier comment this is on CTC and the last staff.
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by stevegrizzle on Dec 14, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
How's it CTC's fault we whiffed on so many OL targets?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 14, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
RT was part of "the last staff."
It’s one thing if RT came in after Bobby and Co were let go, but he was here during that time. The few guys RT signed in between the big classes of 2008 and 2011 have done nothing and that has played a huge part in the OL problems.
CTC has nothing do with the problems on OL.
I still don't see how you expect to foresee
health issues, concussion problems, family problems, and mama problems as to why kids don’t cut it or transfer. Why does the coach get the blame?
When he has had a chance to really coach kids they have done very, very, very well. Obviously, the fact that we had so many players in new positions this year affecting the OL’s effectiveness. We had injured players’ backup’ get injured and had to shuffle around everyone.
All I’m saying is he should get a pass for this year. But if this ever happens again, see ya.
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by freshcollegeboy on Dec 14, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Not saying he should get canned.
However, it’s fair to question the recruiting tactics that caused your OL depth chart to be Seniors or Freshmen, especially for someone that has been on staff for a few years. And after all the problems that have occurred this year which exposed the issues of lack of depth, our OL recruiting this year is following the same pattern as previous years.
Remember, RT came in making a ton of comments about the crap we had for OL yet he’s kind of put himself in the same position.
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by NoleySmokes on Dec 14, 2011 8:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Definitely.
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by WinstonSalemNole on Dec 13, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Wisconsin and Ohio State are always good until they are thrown in a bowl game with FSU and get the crap beat out of them again.
“Wisconsin’s in a region with nowhere near the talent of FSU’s region and has nowhere near the program tradition and history.”
and that is why we win the game every time we play them.
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I'd rather be good up until the bowl game
than bad all the time.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
The offense wasn’t a disaster this year, it just wasn’t close to the excellent to which FSU have have become accustomed.
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I understand
and have said before on this thread that I am being hyperbolic. But at the end of the day, the OL was our weakest unit and I haven’t seen anything at all that would indicate that we’re correcting the fundamental problems with how we got our underachieving OL this year.
Let me clarify by saying that those problems have been a consistent lack of importance being placed on recruiting OL, or something along those lines.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
If he gets the OLine back to 09-10 levels, everyone will be happy. If it stays the way it was this year (almost impossible unless everyone gets hurt again), everyone will want Trickett fired.
What about the in-between?
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It's not so much about the on the field results.
He’s been using a flawed process, in my opinion.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Care to expand on that?
What was your roommates name? I most likely played with him...
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Sure.
We’ve had a resounding failure in managing personnel for the OL. Everyone mentions injuries but who here was surprised about ANY of the injuries the OL has sustained?
We’ve had guys in the system now and they’ve had time to develop. Certainly more time to develop than true freshmen. And yet that’s who is out there, taking snaps instead of the guys we’ve given redshirt years.
If RT’s guys that he’s had time to work with and who have had at least a spring practice to work with and who have had more time with their teammates than these freshmen why are they not on the field?
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
I’d venture to say that anyone who isn’t a psychic was surprised by the injuries we had.
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Save Datko’s, Shawn Spencer could have deduced that one.
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by RollNole5 on Dec 13, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Did you not see "Any Given Night at 10PM, 9PM Central?
The way he ran through that teams problems, he’s exactly what we need!
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Datko and Sanders missed spring practice after recovering from surgery.
Their surgeries were both probably long overdue at the end of a long, physically grueling season for them (the reason they got HERE is because of a lack of depth). As soon as they were able to get on the field, we were sending them right back out after no spring practice.
We knew Spurlock was a shadow of his former self after the concussions. We knew what we had with Stork and Orelus were simply serviceable players, and that they all have had a history of some sort of problems with injuries. The only real surprise was how Fahrenkrug was actually crappy instead of awesome.
And then the year began. Just more evidence for lack of depth.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
It seems like your hindsight might be even better than 20/20. Congrats!
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I believe Bud was cautioning the fanbase before the season began about the precarious situation we had at OL.
I’m only pointing any of this out not for an “I told you so” but just because I’m straight up afraid that we will face the same sort of problems this year and probably for the year after that if we stick to the same process.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
What process though? We got screwed by injuries (which you cannot predict, although some are to be expected each year) in the year after we lost most of an experienced line and the previous few years we had recruited the position too lightly. Last year we brought in the best Oline class in the nation (7 of them I believe). I agree that Trickett needs to produce next year and that this is a situation that needs to be monitored, but considering the circumstances most of last years failure does not fall on Trickett’s actual coaching acumen.
Also, sorry for being a d!ck.
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I thought the process was a failure as soon as I saw
two true freshmen playing instead of our more experienced OL. It’s not like we only had one or two RsFR and then Bobby Hart, Austin Barron and a ton of other true FR. Just by virtue of being a part of the system for a longer time, they should be more prepared to play, no? We had several more players with more experience and we went with TWO players without any college experience whatsoever before them. Consider again that Krug was also quite new to the system. How many OL are on the roster? How many were passed over by Krug and two true freshmen?
Beyond that though, something that really REALLY bothers me is the assessment of Krug earlier in the year. I know some people have mentioned this earlier in the thread but if you’re going to paint a glowing portrait of a JUCO kid who will immediately contribute and be a real player and then have him turn in the performances he did, how can we continue to trust that judgement? Admittedly, I am reading really far into this, but he completely missed it with that setup and the following performance.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
And anyway, this was only a response to the question you asked.
Thanks for continuing the discussion instead of being sarcastic and abrasive, though!
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to add something.
You start to question the guys RT have recruited in the past when you get the exact situation that happened this year.
Taking 2* and 3* sleepers consistently can backfire because they are not accustomed to going up against 4* and 5* talent everyday. I truly believe that the beatdown of our OL came in the PRESEASON. Our guys up front on the O are not elite, and our D guys are. Once the season begins, we face even the smallest patsies and our guys stink because they are already beaten up physically and mentally. Throw in Oklahoma, Clemson, and an ACC with consistently decent DLs, and it’s over.
How much of that was having mostly/all 3-4 year starters by that point?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
No, I mean the '09-'10 level of play
when we had 3rd and 4th year starters pretty much at every position.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Let's also not forget
who we had taking the ball, making the correct reads and audibling to the correct play on the field.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, now we're getting somewhere. It's EJ.
::rolls eyes::
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
If you're going to tell me that there was no dropoff from CP7 to EJ3, you're crazy.
I didn’t even begin to say that, though. Simply that we missed him and his knowledge of the game AS WELL AS an extremely experienced OL that wasn’t anywhere near as run down as the one FSU fielded going into 2011.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Um, we're discussing OL play here.
You threw in the drop off at QB.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
You're right,
they’re totally unrelated.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
Not totally unrelated, of course.
It is possible to watch individual players miss assignments time and time and time again—even if they should’ve been given a different play—and see them get physically beaten in one-on-one situations AND consider THEIR individual play.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
Precisely.
I was simply trying to point out another factor at work. Just like what you were doing with experience of our OL and their successes in ‘09-’10.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, okay. Think I'm in Tebowing retaliation mode. haha.
I was actually about to counter with crediting EJ for the defensive improvement from ‘10-’11.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
I hear ya, bud.
I’d like to hear what you have to say about that. Forcing our DL to play like the stuff of legends so that we don’t have to commit any of our LB or DB to rush/cover the passer?
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure I completely follow.
But I think the special teams helped the defense more than the offense hurt them. If that’s what you meant.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I was just talking about in practice and in the spring, going up against EJ in drills, etc.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn’t thinking in terms of numbers, my mind is still on the players and their development before the season, bc of all of the RT and OL talk. I wasn’t even thinking about in terms of the season and stats.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm. No idea, really.
My guess would be, not much.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Just so you know, I was also jumping on to the point that you were making. That there are other factors at play here (experience, who was taking the snaps, etc.)
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
To me CP7 ‘10 and EJ ’11 is more or less a wash. Yes no doubt we missed CP7’s mental aptititude out there in many spots but in many spots EJ was an upgrade athletically to an injured CP7 which is what we dealt with all season in ’10.
Not to mention EJ put up similar to better numbers with a HS oline compared to a pretty good oline that Ponder worked behind last year.
Which numbers were similar?
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by stevegrizzle on Dec 13, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Or better for that matter?
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The difference is a wash?!?!
This is just not true.
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by numberonenole on Dec 13, 2011 11:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
Forget about the oline. If our defense played in ’10 like it did in ’11 I doubt we lose to anyone except OU.
by Widespread Seminole on Dec 14, 2011 1:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If our Offense played in '11 like it did in '09 or '10, I doubt we loose any.
The bowl game being the only possible exception.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 14, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
In Between being this bad and 10
Is still not good enough to win a NC. We will give EJ another shot at getting hurt again. And the overlooked part is losing a punter who buried every team deep when we didnt move the ball. That loss with an in between Oline is still massive loss of field position and may be an unseen factor in any close losses
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Really, though,
they could replace two All-Americans and another major contributor and are still in a BCS bowl. Granted, they had some other things take place to help (the Russel Wilson move) but the point still remains.
The first words used by ESPN to describe their best-in-conference OL is “ability to reload”.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Our line could be in a BCS bowl playing in the big ten.
The Seminoles are still America's team
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Come on, now, Doc.
We couldn’t do it in the ACC.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Also didn’t have all their guys get hurt
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FSU '11 Oline
our line is average even if everything breaks right and the starters stay healthy all year-just a fact that there was not much talent or experience at G or C going into the season and Sanders is a very overated player.
Granted.
If they were, though, they wouldn’t be trotting out freshmen to take their places.
by STAquinasNole on Dec 13, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Remember when we talked about how average McMahon was?
I’d sell vital pieces of my anatomy to get him/his production back for next season.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 13, 2011 5:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Add Rodney Hudson to that deal and I'm in
by CCDFSU07 on Dec 13, 2011 5:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I remember
There were a lot of knocks on how he was pushed around early on as a freshman sophomore, kind of like our freshman sophomores are now. Maybe they will turn out to be good football players also. Sometimes it works that way.
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Aruably, OL is the absolute worst position to have to play 17 year olds at
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So...
once you get to the Doctorate scholarly level you no longer worry about sentence structure or spelling? haha.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ha. I think he knows I'm kidding.
You’ve earned the right to speak/write on your own terms when you’ve been in college for 10 years…..and NOT on the Tommy Boy plan.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t got tha kind o time ne-more. Sent struct out windw, back 2 resrch
by scotradamus on Dec 13, 2011 9:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
he's an exchange student, he's actually come a long ways!
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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2011 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
There would have been no Rodney Hudson without Trickett
He was going to WVU to play for Trickett when Trickett got this job and came here with him. I can only imagine what it would have been like without Hudson.
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Hudson, Mcmahan, Spurlock (pre-injury) where all Trickett success stories but that is too far and few between to legitimize his four years here. Reality is at FSU you recruit at a level annually where you do not need to go light and mobile on the oline to have success so his philosphy will always be questioned in that sense and rightly so in my estimation. He had success with his philosphy in the Big East, this is not the SEC but it is not the Big East either.
Wait
The All-ACC, All-American, and 4 year starters are too few and far between??? These guys were starting for ~75% of Trickett’s time here!
Why can’t we all just say Trickett gets one more year. No excuses. He should have the depth, and we’ll see if he molds any of these guys into big-time players. If they stay healthy and are merely average, then buh-bye.
But good grief, we pulled in the #1 class of OL last year and had massive injuries this year, coupled with the graduation of several skilled OL.
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by freshcollegeboy on Dec 13, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Trickett tried his best to get Nick Fairley along with Hudson. It is not that Trickett doesn’t know talent, it is just that sometimes he fails to bring it in. That was not the case last year though as he signed some pretty good lineman.
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09 recruting class
Led us to where we are today. We had ample opportunity to bring in guys that year and all we hauled in was one Dan Foose.
Jesus tebow loving Christ
Why do we pay Rick Trickett a salary? If I don’t get good grades, I fail out of law school. His lineman grade out at SH*T, his recruiting is pathetic compared to our other positions and the resources available to us, and the future isn’t fantasitcally brighter than the present, save for the “POTENTIAL” of Matias, Jackson, Hart, etc.
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Well, his raise was based on producing excellent offensive lines in 2009-10…
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I know, and I LOVE the work he did with Hudson and Datko pre-injury
But there have been a lot of misses too and I hate to blame the kids when it continues to happen.
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
Sounds like to me...
Coaches need to hit the road and flip some other guy our way and all right with the world again
by ganole10 on Dec 13, 2011 6:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Problem is it becomes immeniently more difficult when you have very little to sell a kid who saw the dumpster fire that was our 11’ oline. You can sell Rodney Hudson making the NFL but thats not nearly what Bama and LSU are selling.
Holy Tebow....
Hey negative Nancy we will find another replacement and I would bet in the long run will be just as good as Taylor. I’ve been through this up and down recruiting crap for a long time now (I’m old) and believe this or not even if we did have an elite OL we would of lost some recruits we hoped to keep or get. There are only so many OL spots available for any given team so if Bama or LSU or whatever college doesn’t have room those recruits go looking at another team. Lets wait until NSD before we throw in the towel and declare the world is coming to an end. Relax and just enjoy the ride because if you follow recruiting one thing you will always be able to count on… nothing is ever for sure and MOST of the time it all works out when you have coaches willing to work. (minus the lost decade :)
trickett is over-rated.i have an auburn fan and wv fan who have followed there teams for yrs and both said that of all the ol coaches that they had he was at the bottom
they said that there were celebrations when he left
Looks like the Alabama ($$$) machine is a strong force....
But if anything comes out about him de-committing because of Rick Trickett’s style then something has to be done. Quite frankly, if we can’t get him back then something has to be done about or OL coaching situation anyway. We can’t maintain off of JUCO recruits…
The Trickett discussion is really seperate from Taylor’s decommitment. I don’t know why he decomitted but whether or nor it had anything to do with Trickett we should be having the conversation simply based off of his overall results.
I know.... I'm just a little frustrated
w/ our O-line recruiting…
Last year we had the top haul in the nation at OL.
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True...
but we need that consistency year round… we don’t have to have the #1 OL class every year but we can’t have gaps in not landing good OL recruits… I believe we are at least trying to sign 3 this year (since we’re recruiting Taylor, Peat, and Glauser, plus who ever else) so hopefully we can get the job done by signing day….
Yea, but one of the best of them (Prestwood) bolted
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never tried to make friends
never worked out, never went to class….umm good thing he bolted..
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Disagree
it was a good ol class but I would have taken auburns haul over ours in a Second.
by Nole2005 on Dec 13, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It may have been the "nations best oline class"
But Prestwood was one of the most hyped and talented guys in that class and he never put on a uniform for us, and all of the other players don’t appear ready for prime time. I understand that as a rule FR aren’t usually ready but if we were to be sucessful up front this year, we needed the next Hudson and McCahon to appear and they didn’t, hence the trainweck we saw late in the season.
RT bombed with the 09 class and failed to find players able to play early and make up the difference. Its tough to sell me that this isn’t on him as a coach and recruiter, although Im not in the “fire his ass” crowd yet either. There is a good chance that given another year of Vic’s S&C program that these guys could take a giant leap forward next year. If that were to happen then I think that maybelast season looks like more of an outlier.
If Taylor is indeed gone, then I hope the staff puts on the full court press with all of our current committs and anyone even remotely interested in playing OL for the Noles. We let this start a trend and let this special class fall apart and have to avoid finding ourselves in this situation 3 years from now. The defense will be beyond special that year and it would be a shame to miss out on a title shot that year because we didn’t make tough decisions and aggressive moves in 2011.
by Widespread Seminole on Dec 14, 2011 2:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Taylor has said that he liked Trickett
so I don’t think you can blame Trickett.
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I just think he played well at DT in the All Star game and wants to play that same position in college.
by NoleFanAtUCF on Dec 13, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, we want him at OL and he wants to play DT.
I think that is the bottom line with his decommittment.
God I hope Datko gets a 5th year next season.........
It would definitely alleviate some of my worries about this damn OLine for next year.
Why would you assume he'll stay healthy?
Not counting on him at all.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 13, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I agree but we are in desperation mode at the Tackle spots going into next year. Praying that an injured Datko stays healthy all year is more desirable than going in with absolutley no one.
Holding out for Datko just means another unprepared guy thrown into the line when he inevitably gets hurt.
Datko’s health trend is downward.
Yup what’s he on his third surgery? If the first two didn’t take…
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by JustLikeYouOnlyPrettier on Dec 14, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
HeMs pretty much the offensive version of Moses McCray
by Widespread Seminole on Dec 14, 2011 2:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
There is no light between your opinion, and that of Dr.Ken's.
I think you meant to reply to NoleFanAtUCF.
Your comment is dead on though. It is to bad, we really could have used Moses last year, and we really could have used Datko this year or next. The saddest part is, both of them had promising careers cut shot because of constant injuries. I hate to see that happen, I hope they made the most out of the free education, and I wish them the best of luck.
Of course there is still a chance for Datko, but like Dr.Ken said “Why would you assume he’ll stay healthy?”, and I don’t.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 14, 2011 2:41 AM EST up reply actions
There is some scuttle that Taylor has decided he wants to play defensive tackle. That is what he played in the all star game and most likely some school is pumping him up on being a DT. FSU certainly does not need him at the defensive tackle spot.
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Sucks if that's the case...
but yea we definitely don’t need anymore DT’s.. Alphonse is definitely a 3-4 type. If he wants to play DT then it’s nothing we can do about that. Hopefully we can find somebody to replace him but I definitely wanted to have a 6’6 340 lb guy on the Oline…..
maybe not academically or emotionally ready to enroll
I think I read that he was expected to enroll early. If his grades/ scores don’t meet early entry criteria, or if he doesn’t want to go that far from home yet, decommitting might seemto be the least embarassing way.
Makes sense....
You know how the SEC recruits Def Line……. Big and more Big. So that would maake me feel better, if that was the reason he decided against us.
they negatively reccruit themselves just by existing at this point
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Boats and hoes?
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by shonole on Dec 13, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
those kids are 2 stars and they probably have really good (or really bad) personalities
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
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by DRusso97 on Dec 13, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wish we could get back to the good ol' days ...
…when all we had to worry about in the time between UF and the bowl was whether any of our kids would get shot.
Good times....
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Huh....
I hope we get a chance to play Alphonse’s team so I can see him get his knees taken out from under him.
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Championship!
Does anyone else see this as a possible face saving move by Bama
since we have owned their azzes in their own back yard for the guys we wanted this year? Not to go all Barner, but maybe some of that REC money got to him?
They have their
fair share of top recruits from our state as well over the past few years.
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When the ink dries. If he can land two of the other recruits on our board, this may be a blessing. Kid was 360 pounds and I don’t want to hear about Trickett assigning seats in the cafeteria again. On the other hand, the only real explanatory variable we have is poor recruiting in 2009-10. If we blow this class too, trickett will have whiffed in recruiting three out of the last four years. Time to close, RT.
by World Violation on Dec 13, 2011 9:17 PM EST reply actions
Should FSU continue last year's model of proactive Spring surgeries along the OL?
In a zone blocking scheme like RT runs, players need a lot of experience working with each other. A lot of this comes through practice. This last Spring, most of our starting offensive line was recovering with proactive surgeries. With so much instability along the line this upcoming year, should the staff pass on proactive surgeries when possible to build extra chemistry?
Malzahn is going to Arkansas State
That certainly frees up 1.3 mil for them to pay another high priced assistant. I wonder if there is trouble coming to Auburn?
Doubt Stoops is going there.
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Lot of werid stuff coming out of Auburn....
Rumors of possible NCAA sanctions, staff not getting along, Michael Dyer wanting to transfer……
All of these are just rumors but something doesnt seem quite right there. Im sure Stoops sees this and it I wouldnt think this looks good for them getting him. Lots of uncertainty right now in Auburn.
IMO he's using this for leverage to get a nice raise and nothing more.
That fact that I'm paranoid doesn't mean that there isn't a conspiracy against us
by stevegrizzle on Dec 14, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
Why would he make a lateral move from Arizona to FSU, and then two years later make another lateral move from FSU to Auburn?
Sure, money would be a great answer; but with the players we got coming back, he must know the Defense is going to be awesome next year. If that is the case, he will be on just about everyones short list for a Head Coaching job, and that is even more money. If he leaves here, and goes to Auburn, then in a year or two goes somewhere else. That is three moves, and four jobs in five/six years. That is hard on anyone, and I can’t imagine he or his family would be happy about that.
I know I am preaching to the choir, but just wanted to get my thought out there before I forgot it.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 14, 2011 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry,Chief, but Arizona to FSU is not a lateral move imo
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He was the DC there, wasn't he.
Of course, the way you probably mean it, I don’t think FSU to Auburn is a lateral move either. Not by a 1/4 mile, for a thousand reasons.
With all the problems they seem to be having, it is just a pay raise.
Either way, if he stays, and does well, he gets a Head Coaching job next year. That will be more money, and one less time he has to move (which is no small thing). I would also think, if he goes to Auburn, he would more likely than not, stay for more than one year (just my opinion). Unless he is moving into an apartment. Doesn’t he have kids? All that moving around has to affect their lives, and not in a positive way.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 14, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
"Malzahn is going to Arkansas State"
This should work out great. We can hire Chizik as our replacement to Stoops(once he gets the HC offer he is looking for), maybe even as soon as the 2013 season.
So Gran is staying
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Yesssss doc?
elaborate
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by stevegrizzle on Dec 14, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
If Malzahn is taking the Arkansas job obviously Gran can’t be can he?
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didnt see that post
That fact that I'm paranoid doesn't mean that there isn't a conspiracy against us
by stevegrizzle on Dec 14, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
He musta talked to Aubrey Phillips
Let’s all blame him for this. Everybody…grab your pitchforks and fire sticks. We ride!!!!
Nigel Bradham, helping Laron Byrd forget his problems...along with his name, what day it is, and general location all together.
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That article made it sound like Malzahn couldn't wait to get out of Auburn.
What could this mean for M.Stoops going to Auburn, if anything?
Could it be a sign that it is not a place someone would want to go right now?
I can’t see how it would make it a more attractive job to take.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 14, 2011 2:26 AM EST up reply actions
If anything, it at least means we keep Gran for another year at the least. For Stoops, you have to look at the whole picture. This big powerhouse of a SEC program just lost both coordinators in like a 10 day span.
Have to read the tea leaves. This is finally a little bit of good news for the program.
i agree with above posts..
perhaps the curse of bobby lowder is finally coming to fruition? colonial bank tarp fraud what??
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Roof did as well.....
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So did Cam Newton
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by DRusso97 on Dec 14, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 14, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Let's hope Chad Morris goes to AU
even though he just signed that extension with Clemson.
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not to be the grammar (or spelling) police, but...
‘attending’ in the 1st line
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The Auburn boards are blowing up
About both Stoops and now Coach Craig as well. Saying that Taylors decommitt is a direct result of Craig leaving for AU… rarely pay attention to message board fodder, but a few of the posters are uber credible and seem very certain. I wouldn’t however, expect anything different for them though. They were sure they were getting Pete Carroll for a week until Chizik was announced. Here’s to hoping they are dissappointed again.
by Widespread Seminole on Dec 14, 2011 9:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Craig played at Auburn FOR Jimbo, don't forget that. My opinion on Taylor is a switch to defense
We don’t (and probably won’t) know what Taylor told FSU about the decommitment.
There are rumblings that he has decided recently that he wants to play DT in college, after playing it again in the All Star game. FSU has recruited him as OL only. We don’t graduate any seniors at DT, and we get back Jacobbi, and in addition to the freak class of last year Stuckey and Shanks are legitimate 4 stars. There is no room for him at FSU at DT, not by a mile. We’re 3-deep with talent at the position.
If that’s the reasoning, fine. But there’s been so much nonsense rumors/media out of Bama lately, I don’t believe anything until it’s a direct quote from the subject involved.
Try 4-5 deep. No deeper positional depth chart in all of College Football.
There is no room for him at FSU at DT, not by a mile. We’re 3-deep with talent at the position.
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Auburn boards are a really bad place for info right now.
IIRC it wasnt Carroll they thought they had, it was Will Muschamp and they were saying the same things “An AU plane was spotted in Austin”, “The Muschamp hire will be announced anyday”, “They are just working on details on the contract”………then of course they ended up with Gene Chizik from Iowa State.

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