'Noles News 12/16/11: Five Miami Hurricane Starters Leave School Early
by Bud Elliott on Dec 16, 2011 10:08 AM EST
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On Mark Stoops: There's nothing new to report, really. I'm told he would definitely like the Pitt job (who wouldn't, as Penn State is going to be down for a long, long time), but is unlikely to get it. Auburn still lurks, and if asked to make a call, I still don't think he goes as of 10:10 a.m. EST.
Two more 'Canes down! As I said last week, Brandon Washington is going pro. Canes laughed at me, but I had inside info on this one. Miami confirmed it today. I didn't, however, realize that Olivier Vernon would also turn pro. Ouch.
That's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 starters deciding to leave school early. Included in that is Miami's best two offensive players (Lamar Miller and Tommy Streeter), best offensive lineman (Brandon Washington), and arguably Miami's best two defensive linemen (Olivier Vernon, and when healthy, Marcus Forston). And did I mention Miami is losing 20 scholarship seniors? Yes I did, many times, this summer.
Oh, and NCAA sanctions have not even been imposed yet. But they're coming, as Miami had the worst cheating scandal in about a quarter century.
I currently project Miami to be somewhere between 4-8 and 6-6 next year. Though 3-9 or 7-5 wouldn't shock me. This is football, after all. An average or bad team can go 7-5. Bounces matter. But it's unlikely.
Need a really good laugh? Here are Miami's scholarship seniors for 2012: M. James, C. Holton, K. Thompkins, J. Calhoun*, B. Jones, J. Lewis*, D. Smith (DT), A. Ojomo (3-tech), R. Buchanan (SLB), R. Armstrong (S), B. McGee (CB), V. Telemaque (S), D. Johnson, J. Wieclaw, D. Botts. Yeah, "who are these f'n guys?"
This wouldn't be so bad for Miami if they weren't getting their brakes beat off on the recruiting trail.
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when referencing
a beatdown you are looking for the word “brakes” not “breaks”. KTHNXBAI
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by Bud Elliott on Dec 16, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
when referencing
ohhhh…..I thought he meant " Canes were getting their beaks beat off on the recruiting trail"
Abiaka was a powerful spiritual leader who used his "medicine" to stir Seminole warriors into a frenzy.
Is it weird that I am already starting to miss a competitive Miami football team?
I wish they were still relevant. It was a great rivalry.
"I dont hate people. I just feel better when they aren't around." -Bukowski
Replace them with Clemson
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by Bud Elliott on Dec 16, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think the Clemson rivalry can ever match what we had with UM though
First, neither nor Clemson is even close in terms of talent. Add to it, they’ll never be in state. UM is our oldest, play every year, rival. The commonality of both of us hate uf.
When UF made the decision to drop UM, there was actually a discussion of the teams playing twice in the same season!
UF started flexing money muscle at UM in the early 80’s (and tried to with us, as well) and forced Miami to play the 82 and 83 games in Gainesville, then play the 84 game in Tampa before finally playing in Miami again in 85.
I get where you’re coming from, the rival that makes sense is Clemson, since they are now the “make or break” game for us to win the division in the foreseeable future but they’ll never be to us what Miami was, I don’t think, unless they can find a way to put some heartbreaking Ls on us when we were so close to crystal footballs.
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Agreed
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by Bud Elliott on Dec 16, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
IDK
The correlation between our stiffest competition/rival being the “paid to play” factor, Clem$on is just picking up where $cUM left off (only because they got bu$ted)… Plus CU is now more relevant in each season’s overall success
by FullTimeNole on Dec 16, 2011 11:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just not as much on the line now as then
Do you really think the day will come when FSU vs. Clemson will be called the “game of the century?” I kinda doubt it. Has Game Day ever been at an FSU/Clemson game?
As much as people here talk about the desire to compete for national titles, the UM game has to be in the memory of everybody that’s old enough to remember the late 80’s/early 90’s, seems to me.
It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden
I think CU will eventually
become a bigger rival than Miami. But will never be bigger than UM-FSU once were. if that makes any sense.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 16, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. FSU-Miami for around 20 years was one of the top games of the year nationally
What was it, 54 NFL players played in the 1991 game? I think Coley put that out there? Something ridiculous along those lines.
That sounds right.
It’d be interesting to know if there’s ever been that much on one field, at the same time, since then.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 16, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
I think you'd be hard pressed to beat that record.
While it’ll be fun to rib Miami fans for the next few years, I’d much rather us both be contending for crystal year in year out.
That was the 87 game that had the most
Off the top of my head, on our side we had Deion, Sammie Smith, Dawsey, Dexter Carter, Ronald Lewis, Odell, Danny Mc, Pat Carter, Dedrick Dodge…
UM had two Blades, Irvin, Mel Bratton, Daniel Stubbs (he was the one that I thought was just incredible), Steve Walsh, Bubba McDowell, again, just on and on…
It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden
Probably not
We’re not in the $-E-C…
by FullTimeNole on Dec 16, 2011 11:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thought they might have been at "Bowden Bowl 1"
but wiki says they did Nebraska at Texas that weekend. Point taken, though.
If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.
Sports center was there for the first "Bowden Bowl" we played there
not sure if that was 1 or 2.
…. and im only 50% sure about that anyway…
RayRayRayRay = Homerism Squared
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Dec 17, 2011 4:25 AM EST up reply actions
If they keep beating us
That will be enough for them to replace Miami in my mind. I won’t miss the wide right film they pull out every year…
by NoleySmokes on Dec 16, 2011 2:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Give it time. Every rivalry starts somewhere.
And most Noles already feel the hate for Clemson.
And we know how much they hate us and have hated us for a while.
The less success UM has, the less you have to interact with their "fans"
I will NEVER miss the non-alum fans of UM. Their lack of intelligence/class rivals only Clemson fans.
Watch out now.
I didn’t act like that. I’m sure there’s another one somewhere.
In War of the Worlds, the aliens, with all their superior technology and brains, were still defeated by something as simple as a virus. They had reached the highest form of evolution but had somehow lost immunity to the simplest form of attack along the way. The success of that virus against invading aliens is an apt analogy for Tim Tebow's success against every other NFL team.
by Nole Resurrected on Dec 16, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
How many of the games did you attend?
The FSU/UM games, down there, are a different breed. I think some of it is, FSU has so many fans down there that attend that game. They live and work around the UM fans, so it becomes very contentious, to say the least. The game is about 50/50 in attendance, when it’s down there. It’s hot, it’s crowded (or used to be), it was in a place that was hard to get to (Rust Bowl) with horrible parking situations, etc. The whole thing just made for a very unpleasant experience, in my many trips down there.
I’ve never had much problem with UM fans online but at the games? They were jackasses, near as I could tell. I’m sure I was as well. As I’ve gotten older, I don’t like watching ours and theirs go at each others’ throats as much. So long as they are down, that’s something we don’t have to deal with as much at their place. And that’s A GOOD THING!
It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden
2000 UM game
I literally ran eight blocks from the OB with a group of my friends to get a cab having beer bottles thrown at us, and thinking we were going to die. What a hell hole
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by The Ryno and I Know on Dec 16, 2011 11:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Finally went to the Swsp this year!
It was my first away game. Their fans weren’t too bad & their stadium definitely showed they have alot more & older money than us( really hesitant to compliment anything Gata). Of course, they were rather quiet with their heads hanging low.
Although, I eventually would like to attend each away game in our regular circuit, your depiction is exactly why Miami would be the last game I’d want to visit. Maybe the thugs would have more mercy on an old man (probably not: thugs are thugs)?
by FullTimeNole on Dec 16, 2011 11:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's different at Sun Life than the Rust Bowl was
Many years ago, after returning home from yet another miserable trip down there, I said “that’s it, I’m never going down there again.” I had a long talk with my father about it though and we came to the conclusion that there was nothing that anyone could do to us, to keep us from attending FSU games and supporting the team. Yeah, if we couldn’t afford it, we wouldn’t go. And if we were tired, had other plans, we wouldn’t go. Health? Sure.
But we just made a vow that we wouldn’t be intimidated or otherwise made so miserable that we wouldn’t go. Now, it helps that I’m bigger than 99% of the world, I’m sure. And I now have a son that, while isn’t quite as big as me, he can take care of himself, if need be, etc.
They ain’t keeping me from watching our guys though.
It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden
by Sobering on Dec 16, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
my very first trip to the original Orange Bowl scarred me for life
I was just a little kid, but the difference between Doak and the OB was night and day. It was in the ghetto, the fans were horrible, the stadium was disgusting. I just remember walking out thinking “this is the worst place in the world” Ever since then ive hated all things Miami (not just UM). While that might not be fair to the people of Miami or the city itself, first impressions are big.
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by NorFla_Nole on Dec 16, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
I completely agree
I went to the last two FSU games at the OB and every game at Dophins Stadium, and the animosity and a filth at Joe Robbie is nonexistent compared to that dank pit of crap. Last year a bunch of my Nole friends from Tampa came down, and most told me they would never go to another away miami game. I had to explain if they don’t come back it’s like they are letting the terrorists win.
by NationWideNole on Dec 16, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
MERICA!
I had to explain if they don’t come back it’s like they are letting the terrorists win.
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That is hilarious
Not tho' the soldier knew, Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do & die, Into the valley of Death Rode the 85.
by Shooter McFrattin on Dec 17, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Never went to a Miami game.
Waaaay to far from where I live.
In War of the Worlds, the aliens, with all their superior technology and brains, were still defeated by something as simple as a virus. They had reached the highest form of evolution but had somehow lost immunity to the simplest form of attack along the way. The success of that virus against invading aliens is an apt analogy for Tim Tebow's success against every other NFL team.
by Nole Resurrected on Dec 16, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Difference in us is....
I’m actually a Nole fan now. Not just in the land of make believe.
In War of the Worlds, the aliens, with all their superior technology and brains, were still defeated by something as simple as a virus. They had reached the highest form of evolution but had somehow lost immunity to the simplest form of attack along the way. The success of that virus against invading aliens is an apt analogy for Tim Tebow's success against every other NFL team.
by Nole Resurrected on Dec 16, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
ROFL
Point Set Match
RayRayRayRay = Homerism Squared
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Dec 17, 2011 4:30 AM EST up reply actions
True
But the Gata fan’s swollen heads & pumped-up chests during the Leak and then Tebow run was unbearable…It is hard for me to pick a more obnoxious fan base, especially with the strength in numbers factor of the bandwagon gayturds during that era.
by FullTimeNole on Dec 16, 2011 11:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
A lot of it depends on how bad they get hit
Plenty of time has passed, and the NCAA may go soft on da U if they are getting rid of those involved in the scandal. We could have a streak similar to what FU had against but there’s too much talent in that area for them to remain down indefinitely.
by FSUActuary on Dec 16, 2011 10:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Speaking of, if I'm Golden and I have any suspicion about
Ray Ray interacting with Mr. Ponzi Scheme, I’m politely asking him to move on to the NFL.
by FSUActuary on Dec 16, 2011 10:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m surprised they even let him back after twittergate
by FredGarvin...NoleProstitute on Dec 16, 2011 1:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, but they are still not going to be able to compete for top coordinators, recruiting coaches, etc.
Financially, they’re not flush, and have made a lot out of little resources in the past. FSU and UM have been able to do a LOT in that regard.
There are plenty of good players who want to go there because it is “Da U” – Randy Johnson is one of those types. Don’t forget these kids were 6-10 years old when FSU and Miami were still winning titles.
Do I think Golden can do a fair amount there? Yes, but these last couple classes aren’t going to win the ACC. I don’t see them really contending for the ACC until 2015 or 16, and that’s if all goes their way, and they’re able to pick up in recruiting. The next couple seasons are going to make that even tougher.
For the foreseeable short term future, we will be without our main rival.
IMO
“For the foreseeable short term future, we will be without our main rival.”
I don’t want to speak for an entire fan base, but I would think most seminoles enjoying beating down the gayturds vice $cUM
seminole since the womb
I relish:
the smack down on both, but it is more enjoyable when they are not so terrible.
by FullTimeNole on Dec 16, 2011 11:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
its like sex and pizza
RayRayRayRay = Homerism Squared
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Dec 17, 2011 4:32 AM EST up reply actions
What you miss, I think
What you miss, I think, is what I miss. And that’s the great games that we had with them when both of us had top 5 (or better) teams. UM being top 5 is often associated with FSU being top 5.
Me? I just want us to be top 5 again and curb stomp them like in 1997!
They caused me enough pain that I will never take a win over them for granted, nor will I assume going into a game, that we will just walk all over them, even if we should.
I want to be able to cherry pick players out of Dade, Broward and Palm Beach Counties.
It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden
You mean the games
That finally got us to invest in quality kickers? (And when I say “invest”, I’m referring to scholarships)
by FullTimeNole on Dec 16, 2011 11:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Here's what bothers me about that line of thinking
1991, we made three of the four FGs. Our kicker was a walk on then but that game was a red zone failure, in my book. 1992, we were 3 of 6, so that one was a little different but just having to try 6 FGs is pretty bad.
2000, again, Red Zone failure, end of the first half throwing a stupid pick so we were down 17-0 at the half.
The 2000 game was strangest though, in that it was the only game that Roland Seymour played in that year. He didn’t play before and he didn’t play after. And he got abused…a very odd decision at the time. And one that still galls me to this day.
It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden
True: percentage -wise
It’s just the clutch kicks that we seem to have a knack for failing on. It is part of the Seminole story or ballad if you will. Even as good as D-Hop has been, the voodoo, or whatever it is, plagues us when the game is on the line.
by FullTimeNole on Dec 16, 2011 4:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not totally true...
Even as good as D-Hop has been, the voodoo, or whatever it is, plagues us when the game is on the line.
Jano, Gano and Bentley are three that didn’t miss the “big” ones.
Gripper
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Way too early for this imo
I know it feels like we’re worlds apart right now, but we’ve only beaten them twice in a row. Yes, they’re going to be down for the foreseeable future, but they’re not going to be Duke. They’ll be a middle of the pack ACC team, and I think we’ve proven that we are more than capable of losing those games.
by BobLoblaw113 on Dec 16, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
2009 FSU and 2009 Miami were teams with highly divergent futures
We will continue to get better, and they are continuing to decline from an already low place.
True. But as long as we’re losing multiple games to Wake and Virginia we can lose to Miami too
by FredGarvin...NoleProstitute on Dec 16, 2011 11:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
2011 Wake and UVA >>> 2012 Miami
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by Bud Elliott on Dec 16, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
We could still lose to Miami.
I’d say there’s a greater likelihood of losing to scUM than there is of losing to both UVA and Wake in the same season.
Especially after UVA, I won’t underestimate our coaching staff’s ability to send the kids out playing down to the opponent’s level.
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by Drew J Jones on Dec 16, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Our coaching staff will be at Auburn next year
#ProblemSolved.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 16, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not disputing that
I’m just saying it’s a little premature to bury Miami after only two consecutive wins, the last of which was an onside kick away from getting really interesting. They’ll be very beatable for the next several years, but we still have to actually do it.
by BobLoblaw113 on Dec 16, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
It was also a blown call or two away from being a super duper blowout of megauber proportions.
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by tricknole on Dec 16, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
not me
The schaudenfreude is coursing through my veins like a raging river.
"Your liver pays dearly now for youthful magic moments...so rock on completely with some brand new components"
I know that Maryland fans are desperate for any glimmer of hope, but it’s scary how many are thinking Locksley is going to have Maryland actually competing for the big-time DC recruits like Goldman and Diggs this year. No amount of $$$ or jobs at Maryland will overcome Randy Edsall. On the other hand, I hear they have plenty of scholarships opening up.
Football is my favorite show.
Locksley is a dirty recruiter with ALOT
of ties to DMV area… Think a younger version of John Blake……
Locksley is exactly what UMD needs.
I think he will be able to keep a good amount of talent to stay local, especially with the Penn State situation.
by newdynastynole on Dec 16, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
If UMD is smart
They’ll also snatch up Larry Johnson, Sr. from Penn State when their staff is let go. he’s another guy with strong recruiting ties in the DMV area
LJ is fine, but I had a bag of money I would be just as good of DMV recruiter as Locksley
Lock is a complete scumbag. Chocked out an assistant. Has a few DUIs. Sued for sexual harassment. And now I read the article about him using his son’s girlfriend to recruit a kid…using his car?!?!?! UMD is turning into a circus.
by CCDFSU07 on Dec 17, 2011 3:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
guys a dirtbag but he can recruit
I’ve heard his named mention with almost any major recurit from the DMV area the last 7 or 8 years.
Did a good job at UF in that area, too, as I recall
Or rather, got good results.
It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden
I will admit.....
losing Brandon Washington and Olivier Vernon plus Tommy Streeter and Lamar Miller is going to collectively hurt and gives them a bigger hill to climb. I didn’t mention Marcus because his injury proneness led many to believe he would leave anyway. People are surprised about Washington deciding to leave because he said he was going to stay but it is believed Golden may have told him to re-evaluate his decision because of Brandon’s “personal-life” circumstances and Golden is a believer in telling kids to go if he feels they are ready. And Vernon really hurts because it’s Olivier Vernon and he is a beast at the position.
But I will disagree about two things in regarding Miami. I don’t know if Bud was being a little sarcastic w/ the remark he made about the returning seniors in 2012 but I do see some pretty good players. M. James, D. Smith, A. Ojomo, V. Telemaque, R. Armstrong, and R. Buchanon (barring how he comes back from injury) are all pretty solid players.
And we know how I feel about recruiting but we don’t need to go into that drawn out argument. But here’s something to think about. Yes Miami is recruiting a lot of “quantity” players that a lot of people feel lacks “quality”. So for the sake of me not knowing if these players are going to be any good I’ll agree that it’s more quantity over quality at this point. Now just speaking on recruiting: Compare Va Tech and Miami’s recruiting class per rivals. Both teams are considered to be in the Top-15 (per rivals). Both Teams have a very disproportionate amount of 3*’s then any other. Both have 28 recruits committed. Of those 28, Miami has (7) 4*’s and (21) 3*s. Va Tech has (5) 4*’s, (21) 3*’s and (2) 2*’s. Miami is doing a good job of landing targets in-state (Fl) and Va Tech always does a great job of landing targets in-state (VA). The difference is that people don’t knock Va Tech’s quantity over quality recruiting tactics because they’ve been proven to work for them. They have a system coupled w/ great coaching that gets the most out of it’s players. We don’t know if Al Golden’s system will work or not at this point; but why are we so quick to “jump the gun” in decreeing the program as “dead in the water”??? Sanctions aside; just on the program itself in regards to it’s recruiting…..
I was not being sarcastic. They are going to suck.
Miami just lost 8 starters on offense, 6 on defense, and four other key reserves. They are beyond screwed. And they do not have young talent. The talent on the team was veteran talent.
We’ve gone over the Va Tech thing, I think.
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by Bud Elliott on Dec 16, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Glad that this fact was realized....
I share a lot of the same views that most on hear share. And I disagree on other views just like other people disagree on other views. Miami being a rival is just a touchy subject that draws a lot of attention especially when someone some what defends them. But I don’t necessarily defend Miami or try too, I just try to defend other things that can be tied into Miami like my views about recruiting and program building. It just leads to me sounding like I’m a defender of everything Miami when I’m really just adding a different point of view to there circumstances.
fair enough.
Still don’t know how anyone can say UM is in anywhere close to as good a position as UF.
I think...
Miami’s recruiting “or lack there of” couple w/ it’s coaching staff being somewhat stable at the moment and Florida’s recruiting “solid right now” coupled w/ a dysfunctional program and suspect staff makes the two closer in the overall scheme of things then a lot of people think. I’ll have to wait and see how Muschamp and Golden closes out there recruiting and who Muschamp gets to replace Weis with. The Weis departure could be a blessing in disguise for Florida because he was very overrated, so Muschamp has the opportunity to make things right if he makes up w/ a better hire.
Re: Weis
I’ve been saying he was overrated for the longest time but I always get the “hey, he is an offensive genius” guy that swoops in. I think this season has put that to rest. Ya, he had some good offenses in the Pro’s (with Tom Brady and stolen Defensive signals) and one or two at Notre Damn (vs sometimes suspect comp) but hes also had a couple really bad offensive seasons.
Plus, please don’t tell me kids wanna play for that guy. 18 year old kids want to play for either a slick talker (like Urban or Calipari) who will tell them everything they want to hear without no regard for the truth, a legendary coach (or at least one with a NC or 2) or someone who they can relate to. Weis is none of those. Rather, he is morbidly obese, walks with a cane, thinks his sh*t don’t stink and his nickname is the “cheeseburger”.
by DoubleNickel on Dec 16, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
100% Agree....
I knew Weis was a horrible hire from the beginning. It showed a real lack of competence and program structure on Muschamps part to even make such a hire without properly vetting any other would be suitors thoroughly. I don’t see Weis doing anything w/ Kansas either. He’s not a program builder so that experiment probably isn’t going to work either.
There is a difference in your posts regarding Miami.
If your average FSU post is this long, then your Miami post are thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis long.
The tone is different, too. You seem alot more confident talking Miami football than you do talking FSU football.
In War of the Worlds, the aliens, with all their superior technology and brains, were still defeated by something as simple as a virus. They had reached the highest form of evolution but had somehow lost immunity to the simplest form of attack along the way. The success of that virus against invading aliens is an apt analogy for Tim Tebow's success against every other NFL team.
by Nole Resurrected on Dec 16, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
But there's nothing really to post about on the FSU front....
to go in deep about. Accept how I felt about how we approached recruiting in the 1st Jimbo’s first couple of years. I’ve had long discussions about that. Plus everyone usually can find a common ground in regards to FSU because this is an FSU site. (Even though I haven’t yet) If I went to a Miami fan board and saw them saying crazy things about FSU I didn’t agree with; I would definitely be telling them a lot of information then. One of the big arguments that Miami fans love to throw at FSU fans is that we are the best 4 loss team in the country and that our coaches are overrated themselves. I can debate a Cane or any rival fan about FSU’s progress towards a NC and how it’s inevitable anyway you look at it but I don’t go to rival fan boards to discuss it….
Zone3 is a classic contrarian.
A contrarian is a person with a preference for taking a position opposed to that of the majority.
or
He’s just trollin’ hard in the paint. ;)
FSU back-2-back state champs!! 52-14
by CashvilleNole on Dec 17, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
I like the Contrarian analogy...
Trollin just sounds a little harsh.. lol
depends on sanctions.
Read Miami is warning high school coaches they might have to take limited class because of scholarship losses.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Dec 16, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
wouldn't surprise me
the only sanctions news I’ve heard down here is that the NCAA is apparently close to resolving the basketball situation and reinstating Daquan Jones.
Well....
Buchanon was injured so as you pointed out whether he returns to be a “good” player remains to be seen. Without those you named literally 5 players, and personally I love Armstrongs athleticism but I think he is an overrated player.
Comparing VT to Miami, VT has been able to rack up wins due to taking advantage of a down ACC year in and year out. They have never been spectacular, just consistent. But as teams like FSU and Clemson continue to stockpile superior talent and now seem to have the coaching to match, I dont think VT will win as that have in the past. Look at what Clemson was able to do to them twice. Clemson used its superior players to dominate VT twice (I dont think VT beats a healthy FSU this year either).
Also to clear up something
when I said “you literally named 5 players”, who the other 17 players on offense and defense that will be playing in 2012?
It wont be pretty, I think 6 wins is the ceiling for them next year.
I agree.....
Va Tech has been able to capitalize on a down ACC and it was quite clear that they have issues playing against teams that have better players and are more athletic. This is also furthers the notion that our side of the conference is the better side overall. If Al Golden can’t improve Miami’s situation on the year to year basis then yes they are in trouble going forward. They won’t be able to rely on these 3*’s to get them back to form. Just like in FSU’s case; you have to use 3*s to hold your foundation until you are able to get better players. If Miami can’t do that then they are screwed. I’ll wait and see. Your Va Tech argument was very good and made a lot of sense by the way…
The act is getting old zone3cane
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by ItaliaNole on Dec 16, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
At first I was like "okay"
Then I was like “?”
Then I stopped reading, scrolled down, and was like “riiiiiiight”
by FredGarvin...NoleProstitute on Dec 16, 2011 1:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
By the way I agree with him that Ojomo and Telemaque are pretty good
But the othe seniors he listed are just average.
Wonder if his twin brother defends FSU so fervently
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You *have* to know by now he doesn't have a twin brother......just a different screen name.
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by DRusso97 on Dec 16, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No I have a twin brother....
but that aside. I wasn’t listing there returning seniors as great players. I was just saying that they are solid players. Players like Ray Ray have certainly not lived up to the hype (especially since people were comparing him to Sean Taylor) but he still is serviceable at the position and they would be a lot worst off if he hadn’t decided to go back. But I don’t want people to think that I believe Miami is going to beat FSU anytime soon. Quite Frankly, I still believe they and Florida have at least about 4-5 more good losses in them against us going forward. But given that their side of the conference is the weakest they could still have the opportunity to get to the ACCCG against us if Al Golden can get the ship in order. Clemson dominated Va Tech and I believe FSU would’ve have too but Miami almost beat them so that side of the conference is relatively up in the air year in and year out.
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Found them!!
Taking bets as to which is which…
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by DRusso97 on Dec 16, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
These guys look like they should be wearing "P" and "C"
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by UCFBoilerNole on Dec 16, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
I keep urging the Buc's
To trade their best players, abstain from drafting anybody in the top 3 rounds and coach up the team. Really think the franchise would thrive that way.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 16, 2011 2:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
This is funny...
but completely off from my point of view on talent and coaching. And by the way, I do believe that the Bucs have a lot of talent beyond the 3rd round that are major contributors. Hmmm… 1)Mike Williams (4th round). 2) Sammie Stroughter (7th round) 3) Dezmon Briscoe (6th round/ FA pick-up) 4) Preston Parker (Undrafted Free Agent) 5) LaGarrette Blount (Undrafted Free Agent) 6) Kregg Lumpkin (undrafted) 7) Donald Penn 8) Geno Hayes (6th Round) 9) Dekoda Watson (7th Round) 10) Tanard Jackon (4th Round) …….. #Just Saying
Well, Doc, are you happy?
You’ve opened a whole other can of worms.
What’s next? Should the Marines just draft an all handicapped Corp?
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by Nole Resurrected on Dec 16, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If Al Golden was their general
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Kregg Lumpkin is one of the worse players in the Super Bowl era of the NFL.
He does absolutely nothing well. Stroughter doesn’t play any more, Geno is the best linebacker of the worse line-backing corps in the league, Mike Williams is Mike Clayton part duex. I could go on but there are too many former Noles that I would be dumping on.
by DoubleNickel on Dec 16, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't Jackson and Williams both have some big character issues?
Both from Cuse, too. Briscoe and Stroughter don’t do crap. Watson wasn’t a significant contributor in the first 10ish weeks (haven’t watched the crappy Bucs in at least a month). And considering you only get roughly 7 draft picks for a roster of 53(?), they all matter. The first 4-5 rounds should all be expected to contribute in their careers. Besides, zone3cane listed like 6 dudes out of that 53 man roster. Wow, not really a great argument for him to make.
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Trick loves to prove me wrong...
I only picked the guys that were listed on the roster on the 2-deep. If I picked players out of the entire roster, then you would say, “well these guys don’t contribute so why am I using them?”. Just like when I used the 3* comparison on our roster. You were quick to point out that they were not contributing or playing yet. No matter if the Buccaneers players I’ve listed are any good or not is not relevant because they are starting or on the 2nd string…
If you would just admit you're a UM troll I'd have no problem with you.
Until then…
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I think the key word was coach.
The Buc’s coaches are garbage. Rah has completely lost that team.
by NoleySmokes on Dec 16, 2011 5:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And Freeman sucks butt this year.
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we couldnt be any worse off for it...
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Dec 17, 2011 4:47 AM EST up reply actions
"we" being the slightly sad crew of the mighty Yuckaneers
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Dec 17, 2011 4:47 AM EST up reply actions
Got a projected 2 deep for next year? I tried, but couldn’t stop laughing.
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by Bud Elliott on Dec 16, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
QB – Morris/Williams/
HB – James/Clements/Duke Johnson
WR – Hurns/ ?
WR – Dorsett / Thompkins
LT – Henderson/Lewis/Johnson
LG – Linder/Jones?
C – McDermott/??
RG – Wheeler/Jones
RT – Feliciano/Bunche
TE – Walford/Cleveland/Dye
So an offense with a pretty decent offensive line, decent backs, meh QB, and a black hole at receiver, right?
DE – Chickillo/Pierre
DT – Smith/Porter
DT – Ojomo/Robinson?
DE/LB -Green/
WLB – Perryman/Johnson
MLB – Cain/Buchanan
SLB – Gaines/Paul
CB – McGee/Rogers
CB – Finnie/??
FS – Armstrong/Highsmith
SS – Telemaque
Playing FSU, Virginia Tech, @ Georgia Tech, @ Notre Dame, @ Kansas State, North Carolina, USF, @ UVA, @ BC, NC State, @ Duke.
Yeah… good luck with that. I’ll say Miami is an underdog in 7 of its games off the bat.
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That CB situtation on defense is abysmal......
I bet Leggett would’ve started from day 1 if he was still going there.
Really hoping he recommits to FSU again
Brutus, Waisome, and Hunter plus Leggett would give us another nasty CB corps for years to come.
No room
Especially if FSU is in good shape for Tracy Howard & Travell Dixon
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Personally I'd rather take leggett than Dixon if it came down to it
Dixon is a great player and all but he only has 2 years of eligibility left so to 4 years with leggett would be my preference
by TheRenegade29 on Dec 16, 2011 6:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And we likely lose Rhodes and Reid after 2012, so Dixon would be that nickel guy next year and starter in 2013.
Sounds good to me while Waisome, Howard and whomever else gets the necessary practice time.
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I'd like to see Terrance Brooks as the nickel in 2012
and as a starter in 2013.
Good point.
Brooks seems to make plays when he’s on the field. Stockpile depth and let the best emerge.
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ARE we in good shape for Dixon?
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The Wide Receiver Position definitely.....
is not looking good. Miami will beat Ga Tech either way…. I’ve already told everyone that Miami could lose every game they play and still beat Ga Tech easily. They practice against the triple option a little bit every practice.
Your offense looks pretty accurate right now. The Defense: You forgot about Jalen Grimble on the D-line. Who could be pretty good. But yea they could be underdogs in about 7 games on that list. They have a tough OOC schedule. From that list of teams they would probably only be favorites against GA Tech, UNC, USF, BC, and DUke…
They will not be favorites at Georgia Tech. Tech was a better team this year and Miami won because of special teams turnovers. Game is at Tech next year.
Games Miami could be favored in: UNC, USF, BC, Duke, Bethune, NC State. I bet they’re favored in 5 of those 6
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they wont beat USF again
and trust me. USF aint all that good
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Dec 17, 2011 4:52 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think Miami will be favorites agains GT, UNC or USF.
BC and Duke, yes.
Certainly not @ GT. I can see an argument for at home v. UNC or USF
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I think either way it goes....
A lot of the teams Miami will play like GT, UNC, USF, BC, Duke, NC State etc; they could be very close favorites or close underdogs. Ga Tech might be the favorite next year but it wouldn’t be a big enough favorite either way you look at it. Just like if Miami was the favorite against UNC, or USF, it wouldn’t be a big enough favorite for Miami to be down right confident. They will probably have a lot of +3 (or fewer) or -3 (or greater) games next year in conference.
Wouldn’t lump those teams together.
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When Miami is playing at home....are they automatically -2.5?
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by DRusso97 on Dec 16, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Why do you think Mimai will practice against the option all year?
I know Randy did it, but why do you think Golden will comtinue it? Golden hasn’t given up 400+ rushing yards to GaTech like Randy did. It was personal for Randy, not Golden.
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by Nole Resurrected on Dec 16, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Well I can't say that this is a fact....
I haven’t gotten any direct information saying so. But I was told by my brother that Golden and his staff adopted that plan this year (assuming he had knowledge of the team doing this) and that they continued to practice against the option heading up to the Ga Tech game. Yea Miami didn’t do anything special in that game but they had the option pretty much locked down and shut down Ga Tech’s run threat. I would be surprised if Golden decides to do away w/ it because it has been proven to work for them for the last couple of years. But I guess that still has to be seen. But I wouldn’t bet on Ga Tech beating Miami until they prove it first.
GaTech is a scary team in that that offense will always have the possiblilty to explode.
Any team with decent athletes should beat them, but all it takes is one missed assignment for for the floodgates to open.
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by Nole Resurrected on Dec 16, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Agree...
the system itself is very dangerous and is a big headache for defenses if they go in not prepared. If you take the time and practice against it however, you will find that it’s not that big of a deal as it’s made out to be. You just have to be disciplined, patient, gap-sound, and trust/know your assignment. If you do that then you can really dismantle a team that runs this gimmick offense. I feel the same way about Clemson’s option offense too. Although it’s based on the passing game… Our coaches know what to expect from Clemson next year so I wouldn’t expect the same offensive scoring output that they had against us this year as next year.
The key is that they everyone has to do it.
You just have to be disciplined, patient, gap-sound, and trust/know your assignment.
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by Nole Resurrected on Dec 16, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Lot of teams
A lot of teams will devote 2 to 4 periods per day to “option drill.”
It’s great work for defending inside running game, good just for contact work, playing responsibilities, etc.
If I were made the head coach tomorrow, anywhere, even if my offense didn’t contain some option (which it probably would) we would work on the option every day we were in pads.
It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden
I would too....
The “option drill” and practicing against it is a great way to teach patience and discipline because that offensive system is bent on using the opponents lack of discipline, in being gap sound and assignment sound, against you.
Hey, everyone remember when FSU practiced a little bit against the triple option every day in 2009? That worked out awesome.
>>---l>
Was that the year where we had Thacker perfect the NG dive?
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I think we would....
do better w/ this group of coaches then the last. Our coaches now, actually have an understanding of fundamentals for a specific position and can actually coach. I think most of our coaching, back then, consisted of just telling guys to run around like a chicken w/ its head cut off. Telling a player to undercut the offensive linemen’s leg as a way to defend against the triple option is retarded. You are basically allowing the running back free openings into the 2nd and 3rd tier of the defense….
I heard they moved the DE from Jamaica (David Perry) to TE.
I liked the kid’s talent coming out of HS, but I haven’t heard how he’s coming along.
Ray Ray and Telemaque are a nice pair of safeties if they stay healthy and out of trouble.
But DAMN they are screwed.
Miami should be alright offensively if they stay healthy. They have to be deeply concerned about that defense.
The thing about Miami is they’re not recruiting terribly if you look in a vacuum, but they are recruiting terribly for Miami. They’ll still have solid talent for the upper half of the ACC, but unless something turns around for Golden they just will not have the elite level talent to compete on a national level or consistently for ACC titles. Which is fine if you’re Virginia, but not if you’re a BCS school with a national name brand sitting smack dab in the richest vein of high school talent in the country.
Wow. Miami could go 1-11
I would say BC is probably a win but not after they lost to them this season. USF get Scott back AND Dunkley is eligIible. Renfree for Duke is back w most of his WRs and I would run 5 wide sets all day against the Canes w that secondary.
by CCDFSU07 on Dec 17, 2011 4:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Scott sucked....
That guy has popcorn muscles…
zone3nole the point is that VPI has proven, that , their system works and Golden has not.
Also. Beamer and companies’ approach to recruiting has kept them from winning the big one. If they were bringing in better quality recruits they would have a crystal trophy in Blacksburg VA
Yes Va Tech's system has been proven to work....
But we can’t really say that Golden’s system isn’t working just yet. This is only his 1st real year of recruiting and last year was his 1st actual year in coaching while blindly heading into an NCAA nightmare. But he will have to show improvements going forward as far as recruiting goes if he is to really bring Miami back were they want to be. But I look at their situation as kind of unique because they do play on the weakest side of the ACC. Not having to beat Florida State or Clemson in order to make it to an ACC title game really a blessing for them. Only really having to worry about Va Tech is a very good position to be in. FSU may not have a tougher OOC schedule but our in conference schedule is a lot tougher. Which is probably why whoever represents the ACC on our side will probably win the conference title for the next couple of years…
I think if you told VT fans that Miami was gonna recruit at the same level as VT every VT fan would like their chances going forward.
When you consider the history of the 2 schools, and the fact that Miami is in the middle of a recruiting hot bed they have no business recruiting at the same level as VT.
I don't think Ojomo is going to be on the team next year.
Another DL gone.
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Nice to see those mid-December basketball season previews,
at least he correctly identifies that UVA and FSU are very similar statistically, though not stylistically. Turning the ACC into all-defense, no-offense one school at a time….
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Cheer up,
ACC is turning into all-basketball, no-football one [additional] school at a time.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 16, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Except ACC basketball is crap compared to what it used to be.
Maybe more like women’s soccer or men’s lacrosse one school at a time.
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by tricknole on Dec 16, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I thought men's lacrosse and women's soccer
were the same sport.
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Regardless of your affection for those 2 sports, ACC basketball is bad.
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Every year the Big Ten wins the ACC/B10 challenge
is a down year for ACC basketball.
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HAHA, that's a great barometer.
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that all changes next year
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by Michael Rogner on Dec 16, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Because of?
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That's a great point regardless.
I obviously know they’re joining but I completely forgot that when I was trying to figure out why that would change.
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Is there a petition I can sign or a fund I can donate to that supports Greg Davis to UF?
If there isn’t one, I’d like to start one.
Bud, your post showing the returning seniors for UM next year was brutal.
But…
What’s that list gonna look like for the class of 2013 (2010 recruiting class)?
Cringe-worthy stuff
Yeah, really bad
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The count?
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Juniors leaving
I have always thought that the first job of being a good coach is getting his best players to stay for 5 years. New recruits get publicity. There is a lot of difference between a 23 year old and a 17-18 year old. The closer to ball the more important.
However, losing the Would be Seniors is saying that the players don’t like the coach and the coach can’t get them to stay. This is a worse problem for Miami, than just not having experienced players.
Losing legit 1st/2nd round talent a year early
doesn’t reflect on a coach. Those guys are getting bank.I would say if you consistently lose borderline draftable guys a year early (late round/undrafted), you’ve got problems.
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losing kids
With the way Miami has played they don’t have that many 1st round picks.
Miami can spin anyway they want to, most players and their coaches,parents are whatever are going to see through that BS.
Jimbo's on record as encouraging guys like Jenkins to leave early
If their draft projections are high enough
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Is losing all these players, wouldn’t it help them in recruiting?even with the sanctions?at the very leastt they could be getting a lot of qaulity 3 and 4 stars that wanna play early as possible, its a big draw for some kids
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They’ll be able to sell playing time. But right now it’s not helping much.
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I always wonder
How do you sell “you’re going to get the crap beat out of you.” Why someone wants to play early, at least on the line of scrimmage is beyond me. Kids get abused, up front, when they play too early worse than QBs!
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I like Charlie Weiss's pitch (sarcasm)
“Hey, we were 2-10 last year. If you can’t play early here, where can you?”
Not really sure that’s the way to win over your returning players, LOL.
I concur with that sentiment...
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if stoops does leave
How bad is it going to hurt recruiting for us and how is it going to affect our current players if they have to learn and new defense system?
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It’ll hurt, but not a ton
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and hell,
I don’t believe FSU can’t afford to pay Stoops more, I’m sure they can afford a new contract with 800k a year..HC’s get paid more when they do good but our defense is carrying us right now so I definitely think stoops deserves a raise…id say about 60 percent of our kids on defense are going to go pro..we are loaded with talent
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speaking of talent
Y’all should check out Dante Fowler’s facebook page, scroll down till u get the Gator game, its hilarious all these gator fans were still talking all this smack after they got whooped…Dante is all Nole and I don’t see him changing his mind..he’s good friends with J Wilder and he claims that brandon jenkins is his clone
by thornole on Dec 16, 2011 4:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
think alphonse
Taylor will change his mind again and pick Fsu on signing day? He has the chance to play early
by thornole on Dec 16, 2011 7:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Speculation is he wants to play DL now after his sr season.
FSU cannot promise that.
Would be a space eater in a 3-4, but still raw.
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Thank you zone3nole
You just wasted 30 minutes of my time. Just say your a UM fan and get over it. Thanks for the headache.
Just busting your balls.
As they say. You have thick skin. Nice job buddy…
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The link about Florida fans calling for Charlie Strong is interesting. I would say either he or Mullen would be Foley’s 1A and 1B pick after Muschamp.
by CCDFSU07 on Dec 17, 2011 4:06 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Maybe with PSU going down hill
Pitt might be able to bring some football credibility to the ACC? Wishful thinking I guess.
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