FSU vs Loyola Marymount Preview and Game Thread
by Michael Rogner on Dec 18, 2011 12:15 PM EST
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The good news for Loyola Marymount is that last season is over. The bad news is that the problems are still haunting them. Max Good's Lions were the 2nd youngest team in the West Coast Conference, and all the young guys played because everyone else got hurt. Six of the top eight players missed a combined 63 games. LMU was supposed to be centered around its two All-Conference players (Vernon Teel and Drew Viney), but Teel struggled, Viney suffered migraines and a foot injury, and a whole host of bench players were thrust into the lineup. Following the season LMU's best two big men underwent surgery. Now Drew Viney is still struggling following foot surgery and has only appeared in two games. He didn't make the trip to Tallahassee. And junior Ashley Hamilton - who had hand surgery in the offseason - is now sidelined with a foot injury and isn't expected to play. Hamilton leads the team at 15.3 ppg, but has only appeared in three games.
But forcing players who weren't ready to play last season means that they are ready for this season. LMU has played through injuries to their two best players, and as expected with a talented but young team, they've been maddeningly inconsistent. They began the season by beating a ranked UCLA team, and prompted this now famous tweet from enigmatic UCLA big man Josh Smith. After home losses to solid mid-majors (Middle Tennessee and Harvard) the Lions won three straight including a very impressive win over St Louis. The Billikens were ranked at the time and are currently 17th in Ken Pomeroy's rankings. The Lions followed this up with a loss to Columbia (huh?), a loss to North Texas (seriously?), and needed overtime to beat a horrible Idaho State team. In short, who knows what to expect on any given night?
LMU's offense is currently ranked 137th. They take care of the ball (81st) and convert nearly 37% of their 3s (77th). But their defense is bad. They've only held three of nine Division I opponents below a point per possession. The problem is that they're too small, especially without Viney and Hamilton. Expect them to double team everything in the post and force FSU to beat them from the outside. The Noles need to recognize that LMU will be jumping the interior passing lanes and use that to create open shots for Deividas Dulkys and Michael Snaer. And when the big men get the ball in good position they need to attack immediately. No dribbling through double teams, and no over-passing.
Vegas has FSU -15.5, and Pomeroy has FSU -16. The game tips at 3pm from the Donald L Tucker Center and is broadcast on ESPNU.
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When is Miller and Shannon suppose to return?
I heard that both would probably be ready for the Gates?
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
I know earlier this week,Warchant said Shannon would be available for today's game.
For whatever that is worth.
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sorry. I forgot the NOT in that sentence.
As in, NOT available for today’s game.
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Shannon hasn't even practiced.
Miller is waiting on grades. If he passed everything, will be available for UF
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by Michael Rogner on Dec 18, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
what do you think of the change the ACC announced about going to 18 games
next year? what impact do you think that will have on the Noles?
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It all depends on who we dump from the ooc schedule.
If we get rid of teams like UNC-Greensboro, then its a great trade. If we dump good games I’ll be pissed.
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by Michael Rogner on Dec 18, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
sort of the opposite theory of the football scheduling, no?
which says to dump games like Oklahoma since we already have the nonconf game vs. Florida. Two more ACC battles would not allow us some more leeway in our OOC games?
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my heart is with you. my head says the reality is the system
we currently have in college football. and in that system, the Florida game is enough
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Definitely the opposite of football.
Strength of schedule is huge
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by Michael Rogner on Dec 18, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
We need miller
Probably our only true point guard IMO
by TheRenegade29 on Dec 18, 2011 4:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
does anyone have a link to the game online?
Thanks for inviting me out today. I really needed some time to stop worrying about my love life.
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by El Soro on Dec 18, 2011 2:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
bookmark firstrowsports.tv
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by Michael Rogner on Dec 18, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
thanks norcal!
Thanks for inviting me out today. I really needed some time to stop worrying about my love life.
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by El Soro on Dec 18, 2011 2:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Weird. It was 10 minutes ago
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by Michael Rogner on Dec 18, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
the U is gonna stick with this girls game until the bitter end, I guess.
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snaer disappoints in not going after that loose ball
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our big men showing some fight today.
10-5 Noles
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I'd like to lose Title IX soon too
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by GoNolzOhio on Dec 18, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
my wife can't even cook.
the modern world sucks
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by Michael Rogner on Dec 18, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Woah.
Did BC really lose to Holy Cross?
BC lost to a bunch of RUDY’s??!?!
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Seem like less enthusiasm in 2011 for FSU basketball?
From the fans? Just feels so…blah.
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Do we have 5 white guys on the team?
Can we play them all at once?
and, with Indy winning, he's now gotta be worried about the Vikings being in the Andrew
Luck sweepstakes
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Bingo. And Frazier really likes Ponder.
On top of that, I don’t really see Indy winning another game.
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ladies and gentlemen...only 6 turnovers in the first half for the Noles
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Against the MIGHTY DEFENSE OF LOYOLA MARYMOUNT
This game is so boring even norcal jettted.
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I'd be happy with 6 turnovers against a girls jv high school team
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I'm back. Was afraid my typing was the cause of turnovers
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by Michael Rogner on Dec 18, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Halftime Entertainment....SNL Tim Tebow skit
http://www.youtube.com/v/ul2dhNaQgxM
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lots and lots of pain
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by Michael Rogner on Dec 18, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
I'm hoping the blowout win over A&M yesterday was their high point on the season
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All you optimists around here really get on my nerves.
Just kidding. I think we can beat em
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It's statistically possible, yes
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by Michael Rogner on Dec 18, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
What's that you say?
We’re going to turn out our best offense performance of the Hamilton era?
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That's how I took it.
I think Michael is officially on record as predicting the best offensive performance of the Lenny era.
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LOL
I’d be less shocked if I woke up with my head sewn into the carpet that morning. Or if a Dragon ripped the top off the venue and bit Billy Donovans face off.
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yet another benefit of beating UFelons in football:
the basketball game becomes gravy. There were some nailbiting years in the Teblow era when we had to beat them in hoops.
And did
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It's official
The MIghty Kansas City Chiefs have beaten the crappy Packers.
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Packers lose, Indy wins.
Time for a Timmy loss.
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I've never seen Dulkys ever dunk
And I’ve seen 2 today. God bless college basketball.
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He's not really good historically, is he?
I thought he was a pretty awful FT shooter, but I could be wrong.
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nope. I think he was 54% on the season coming into this game.
but 3 of 12 is pretty bad.
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.536 coming into the game.
Easily the worst on the team.
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77 points
was this a double header and someone forget to reset the scoreboard? :)
Winner winner, chicken dinner.
On to the gaytors.
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Sadly, I have zero excitement for FSU basketball as it bores me dearly.
F the Deacs - Notre Dame, Rutgers and UConn to the ACC
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I've gotten to the point where I don't even watch us on offense anymore.
Far too painful.
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I forgot we had a game.
Flipped it on after the 2nd half started. But only used it as background noise while I did other stuff. If I heard the announcers get loud I’d walk over and see what happened. I still can’t believe how little excitement there is from the fanbase for this squad when we went to the Sweet Sixteen last year. Nobody on campus seems to care, either (I’m not talking about winter break games, but all the November/early December games that were EMPTY, too).
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Correct, Sir Trick.
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might be the weather down there in Florida. Seriously.
I know when I was down there in the Nineties, I cared a heck of a lot less about the basketball team and followed them a heck of a lot less, than I do up here in hibernation time (i.e., winter in Ohio). Granted, the basketball team sucked when I was in Tampa/Orlando/Key West, but I think they would have had to be Top 10 level good for me to have given two sh*ts about it when I was in party mode and by the ocean.
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You didn't miss much.
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Free throws
Wife and I were at the game. Our free throw shooting is terrible. We missed at least 10 points in free throws.
Most were James', and he's just not that good at it.
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Its baffling how many shots we miss around the basket. We have to shoot less than 50% within 5 feet of the hoop possibly every game. However you could tell in practice, the bigs had been working on not dribbling in the post when triple teamed. It helped as the TOs when down this game.
Seriously Turtle, Smoke More Weed
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